Mirage

[deft cape]

could you maybe try 5000 just to see if it goes away

[lofty sorrel]

That would make sense, thanks. Just going through trying to diagnose issues after a playthrough with friends, but I didn't notice any issues with Mirage as we were playing, other than the voices being quite quiet? I imagine it's natural volume based on distance (or barriers) but I often feel like I'm only really able to hear the voices and not really what they're saying unless I'm right up next to them

[soft hollow]

I KNEW IT!!!!!!

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!

IM NOT TWEAKIN

THEY HAVE COSMETICS

NO MEO

[lofty sorrel]

With AC?

[soft hollow]

WITH AC

[lofty sorrel]

And you have the stub MoreCompany.dll?

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-now-low-tier-god-gif-3446062039083503850

Wym by that, you mean what AC uses to control cosmetics

I dont have MoreCompany installed, just AC and some cosmetic mods

[lofty sorrel]

If you don't know I assume you haven't manually removed the MoreCompany.dll file from the AC folder

[soft hollow]

Nope

havent touched a file

Now lets see if my GameTheory™️ is correct

[lofty sorrel]

Hm interesting, I might have a look through ACs changelog

[soft hollow]

I think I solved it scoob

I don't think hosts can see cosmetics

[lofty sorrel]

Oh so the other players can?

[soft hollow]

Im doing a LAN test where I play on both the host and the client

Client can see cosmetics

Host cannot

[deft cape]

voices being quiet is likely the voice filters

im working on making it more 1:1 today

[lofty sorrel]

Okay.. I didn't realise that any mod other than MEO allowed Masked to wear cosmetics tbh

[deft brook]

Well this I didn't expect

It's you lol

Assuming you go on Thunderstore by mertvybasein

[soft hollow]

Host (Left, No Cosmetics) vs Client (Right, Sees Cosmetics)

I solved it gang @deft cape

[deft cape]

👀

[timber notch]

That’s an odd issue

[deft cape]

so AC cosmetics really is nonhost only

im gonna test it without mirage later

if it still happens then ill report it to potato

[soft hollow]

Im scared of Potatoe ngl

[deft cape]

too many people bothering potatoe eh

[soft hollow]

yea

I dont wanna end up on his shit list

[deft brook]

I question his maturity

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[lofty sorrel]

I imagine it's probably an easy fix tbh

If it already works for non-hosts, probably just a small oversight

Potatoe is off this week so likely won't be a fix for a little while

[timber notch]

Yeah the LC modding community had a weird moment

Where a lot of major changes happened really quickly and then a lot of people behind major mods took a break at the same time

[stone trout]

I'm new to unity, mostly doing animations )

[deft brook]

Yeah I don't know what you could've done lol animations shouldn't touch the masked and dog enemies. They only don't kill the host btw. I don't know how much that helps but if you take this issue to #dev-general you might be able to ask for help

[deft cape]

it's not a direct issue from mirage so it probably is a mod conflict, which i dont really know how to fix (if it's even a conflict with mirage)

[stone trout]

That's how the animations don't touch the enemies. The problem is that everyone dies quietly except me (the host)

[deft cape]

also is anyone free to do a test rn? i changed the voice filters to make it sound more like actual player's voice chat now

[stone trout]

Can you make it possible to talk to mimics with the mod?

[deft brook]

Yeah sorry I was suggesting to nekiy. We really shouldn't be hijacking your thread about this issue.

[deft brook]

Would be near impossible without ai implementation I reckon

[deft cape]

ah mb thought it was a mirage issue whoops

[deft cape]

wdym? masked enemies already mimics voices

[stone trout]

i know

[deft cape]

oh wait

you mean

mimics the modded monster

[deft brook]

He means if you say something to them they reply coherently

[deft cape]

i'm so used to people thinking mimics = masked enemies

oh that

[thorn idol]

I can use this mod together with Skinwalker and MaskedEnemyOverhaul?

[deft cape]

it's planned but not sure on the feasibility yet

so can't really say anything until more work is done

[stone trout]

You don't understand, I meant to be able to talk to them and they used random phrases(or certain phrases) in response.

[deft cape]

use the MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork with the mirage compatibility config

[deft cape]

random phrases is already a thing though

but if you mean using certain phrases then yeah that's part of the roadmap if it's feasible enough

[stone trout]

I mean the ones that the mod recorded.

[deft cape]

sorry i'm actually confused asf rn 😭

[deft brook]

If you're wanting them to just throw out a random phrase when you speak near them then it might be easy enough but nonsensical. But if you want them to reply with something that would make sense in relation to what you said it'd probably need some sort of ai implementation where it looks at what you said and picks out a reply that fits

[deft cape]

oh wait

[stone trout]

i know

[deft cape]

like always saying something in response

im dumb

[deft brook]

It's doable I imagine but they probably would reply with something unrelated.

[deft cape]

there's plans for it but i'll announce more about it later on

if it's doable at least

[lofty sorrel]

Are you asking for them to automatically send a random response upon hearing a player talk to them?

[thorn idol]

so do I remove the skinwalker mod?

[deft cape]

yep you don't need skinwalkers for mirage to work

[soft hollow]

im free

[deft cape]

skinwalkers plays its own voices still

[deft cape]

oh shit bet ill dm u tyty

[stone trout]

Look, you walk up to an enemy with a mask and say something to him, he reacts to it and replies to you with a phrase that the mirage mod recorded

[deft brook]

Mirage does what skinwalkers does but perhaps better. I don't think skinwalkers syncs properly like mirage does. And is more convincing in the way a masked will only use voice lines of the player it copied.

[deft brook]

That's their plan

[deft cape]

yeah i get what you mean now

[lofty sorrel]

(I would if testing didn't mean speaking to a stranger lmao)

[deft cape]

it's something that's gonna be worked on eventually

[deft cape]

all good mi6k is helping out

[soft hollow]

There are no strangers on the internet

Its a myth

[stark pond]

Almost want like a forked copy of masked enemy that uses mirage and more perfectly copies player looks / maskless while still having original masked running around without it just to really throw people off-guard

[soft hollow]

Look outside Im right there

[stone trout]

You can take a similar system from dogs (they respond to voice the same way)

[autumn glen]

you could make it so they're more likely to speak when a player speaks within a radius of them

i think it'd be too easy to detect if they're a zombie/masked with that though

[deft cape]

yeah i already have plans on what to do

wont be with random recordings cuz as you said it's too easy to know

but still working it out to see the feasibility of it

[autumn glen]

you can just say "hey [friend name] say nosferatu" or smth just really specific and if they didn't reply w that you'd know lmao

i think the mod in its current state's pretty full of cool features and mechanics so personally I'm fine w you not rushing to add more stuff

the zombie mechanic's genius btw, hilarious shit

[deft cape]

very unpopular opinion it seems but glad you like it!

i also really like that mechanic personally

[autumn glen]

i don't think it's that bad cuz it just adds more risk to dying

[deft cape]

future plans on any more advanced stuff will be mentioned later on if it's feasible to add it or not

[autumn glen]

plus if you die in a rlly stupid way like missing a jump it doesn't matter if you get zombie'd or not

[pulsar lotus]

Damn that's a good idea !

[autumn glen]

cuz you're at the bottom of a pit lmao

[granite aspen]

I also like the zombie mechanic, though had to lower the chance with big lobbies 😅

[deft cape]

sadly im gonna have to disable spawning from fall damage on the next update since it causes lag if you fall into a pit, until i figure out a solution at least

[deft cape]

yeah makes sense thatd be hectic

[pulsar lotus]

maybe something like: if died by fall damage spawn it in the position the player was 5 sec before ?

[stone trout]

The mod for Herobrine was breaking enemies with masks for me

This is fucked up.

[deft cape]

nah i dont want them to spawn if they fall into a pit, i have ideas of how to fix it but thats for another day

[deft cape]

oh herobrine was the cause for masked not behaving properly?
wonder what the mod does to affect it

sad cuz i was gonna play with herobrine on my next playthrough

[stone trout]

yeah,I had to pull each mod and check for errors in the console

[deft cape]

😭

glad you found the conflict though

[pulsar lotus]

oh ok

[pulsar lotus]

what kind of bug does it create ?

[stone trout]

it's sad really, the herobrine mod was the funniest one

[pulsar lotus]

i use it too didn't notice

[stone trout]

one minutes

[autumn glen]

also I'm not saying the mod could become cluttered with features, I'm just saying the stuff that's already in this is pretty well done

[pulsar lotus]

just noticed something, my dead masked getting tp before me when i try to tp myself, is that normal vanilla behaviour ?

[deft cape]

yeah i get what you mean, either way i still have more planned features coming which'll be revealed later

[deft cape]

i think thats a bug with mirage

i need to look at how teleporters function

may need to write a patch for it

[pulsar lotus]

i'm not telling it's mirage tho, i'll check first !

[stone trout]

[Error  : Unity Log] KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'OMFG Hello' was not present in the dictionary.
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E)
EmoteNetworker.SyncEmoteToClients (System.UInt64 playerId, System.String animation, System.Int32 pos) (at <b51f6a370a694a1caf7be5f0658ecbb5>:IL_002A)
EmoteNetworker.SyncEmote (System.UInt64 playerId, System.String animation, System.Int32 pos) (at <b51f6a370a694a1caf7be5f0658ecbb5>:IL_0017)
EmotesAPI.CustomEmotesAPI.PlayAnimation (System.String animationName, BoneMapper mapper, System.Int32 pos) (at <b51f6a370a694a1caf7be5f0658ecbb5>:IL_004A)
EnemyInteractions.EnemyKillHooks.OnKillPlayer (System.Action`5[T1,T2,T3,T4,T5] orig, GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB self, UnityEngine.Vector3 bodyVelocity, System.Boolean spawnBody, CauseOfDeath causeOfDeath, System.Int32 deathAnimation) (at <435f99596b7745718ce2610027e7b6d1>:IL_00CD)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::KillPlayer>?-570545432(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB,UnityEngine.Vector3,bool,CauseOfDeath,int)
MaskedPlayerEnemy+<killAnimation>d__102.MoveNext () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_03D3)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

While the error gives on the animation, but without the mod herobrine this error is not there

[dreamy arrow]

was testing mirage and client cant hear masked?

[pulsar lotus]

you get this error but what does it do ingame ?

[autumn glen]

aww, fair enough lmao

[stone trout]

I get this error after dying at the hands of an enemy with a mask.

[pulsar lotus]

ok and does it bugs the game in some way ?

[stone trout]

Mostly on the player host

[pulsar lotus]

like you can't play anymore ? what happen ?

i'm usually the host didn't happen to me

[stone trout]

If I'm caught by an enemy with a mask, I stay with him. Other players can't fly away, can't pick up items or use them. Only by hitting the masked enemy with a shovel can this be stopped

[pulsar lotus]

oh ok wierd bug

[pulsar lotus]

you are right, but maybe it's a bug with all mods that make the mimic look like your character

because there is no way i tp a mimic if it doesn't look like me

i'll try with meo

yeah MEO doesn't behave like that either

Ok it's fixed with mirage last update 😮

[deft cape]

are you on v1.0.11?

[deft cape]

oh it was a bug with v1.0.10?

[pulsar lotus]

i was still on 1.0.8

it's good now

[deft cape]

interesting idk what i changed to have fixed it

[pulsar lotus]

did you knew you fixed it ? XD

[deft cape]

LOL

nope

not at all

[pulsar lotus]

looool

[deft cape]

😂

ohw ait

[pulsar lotus]

funny haha

[deft cape]

no i think i have an idea

it's related to

the v1.0.9 fix

"Ship camera now spectates the correct masked enemy"

most likely this

basically the player was redirected to a masked enemy at the wrong times

so the ship camera would show the masked enemy instead of the player

[pulsar lotus]

ship camera can spectate masked ?

[deft cape]

that's most likely the issue with the tp as well

it's probably one of the mod i use actually, might be OpenBodyCams

[pulsar lotus]

ohhh i see

didn't see that issue

[deft cape]

i'm pretty sure that's related to the tp thing now actually

didn't even realize the tp thing was an issue since my group doesn't use tps (we're noobs)

[pulsar lotus]

yeah probably, i still use helmet camera

my group is noob too but i try to show them what can be done at least haha

[safe sundial]

openbodycams is more optimized and configurable

[pulsar lotus]

i see i'll have to try it soon then i guess, no known bugs ?

[safe sundial]

probably but I havent encountered any

[deft cape]

wow the last time i played lethal company was when mirage was v1.0.1

[dreamy arrow]

I know I was, sent clients profile code after the fact. not sure whats causing but dont think its mirage

[deft cape]

if everyone is on v1.0.11 that'd be a bit concerning. it actually was a bug that i introduced in v1.0.10 that i fixed in v1.0.11

[dreamy arrow]

after a reset the voices worked on client, but now we just cant get anyone but me to spawn as a mimic haha, think you were right mismatched versions

[deft cape]

is this with the spawn on player death mechanic? or you mean naturally spawned enemies don't become anyone else but you (i'm assuming you're the host)

[dreamy arrow]

naturally spawned ones yea

might just be getting extremely unlucky, but tried with gamemaster and dumped them and it was always me

and im host yes

[tired citrus]

does this mod completely replace skin walkers mod

or does it work together with skinwalkers to improve it

[vocal garnet]

Replace

[tired citrus]

yeah tbh i never noticed the skinwalkers mod working

at all

[deft cape]

honestly not sure since it works when i tested it with someone else earlier

but that was only with mirage

if you have another mod that can change who a masked enemy is mimicking, it could be conflicting with mirage

[dreamy arrow]

ahhh so probably MEO then, ill try that out

[deft cape]

if you're going to use MEO, i recommend trying https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Coppertiel/MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork/v/0.1.0/ with the compatibility config option enabled

if you only use MEO for spawn control though, i recommend using a spawn control mod instead

[rain mountain]

for mirage and MEOF my configs should be like this right?

[deft cape]

should be fine, but if for whatever reason there's a conflict with disabling the mask texture/arms-out animation, you could try setting the two mirage config options you showed to true to let MEOF handle it instead

[rain mountain]

yeah i figured this should work, i think i just had it set incorrectly last time. thanks

[lofty sorrel]

Just had a thought, when non-Masked enemies mimic a player's voice does each enemy select a specific player they always copy, or is it a random player's random voice line every time?

[deft cape]

they select one for its entire lifetime (except for the dress-girl, which can change who she mimics)

for dress-girl specifically, if she ends up mimicking the player she's haunting, she'll change to another random player

(only in multiplayer, if it's singleplayer she'll just mimic that player)

[lofty sorrel]

Right that makes sense, thank you. I really like that

[soft hollow]

oh wait

nvm

I was literally about to ask a question ive already asked before

[deft cape]

lool all good

[soft hollow]

mod is looking beautiful

[lofty sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[stark rampart]

so something that happened to me recently was that one of the mimics were talking SUPER low or even not talking at all

is this known?

my friend was hearing normally though

oh and its not every time

[deft cape]

very likely because of my current filters, should be fixed in the new update i'll push sometime today

still testing changes rn to make sure other things aren't affected

[rain mountain]

i didn't hear any masked talk at all, could be because of the filters but maybe a mod conflict also

[deft cape]

if it's because of the filters it could just be making it too quiet for you to notice

maybe try again after i push an update

if it still happens after that then it might be a mod conflict

[rain mountain]

sure, i don't remember hearing it at all after you added the filters so it could just be that

[deft cape]

ah

yeah hopefully the new update fixes it for you then

[deft cape]

v1.0.12 is released:

• Mimicked voices should now sound a lot more like an actual player's voice (changed audio filters)
• SpawnOnPlayerDeath no longer spams an error if a player falls into the void
• Masked enemies no longer mimic voices if it was spawned after a player falls into the void

Thanks to @soft hollow for helping me test the voice filters earlier

[brazen fjord]

when you say voice filters I assume you mean like slightly editing the sound of the voice clip? (I have not played with this mod yet)

[timber notch]

iirc it’s basically filtering out clips of keyboard clacking and stuff

[brazen fjord]

ahhh okay

[deft cape]

nope not that

sorry i should specify

[timber notch]

dang I thought I was big brain

[deft cape]

it's the filters that alters the sound

so now it should just sound a lot more like how an actual player sounds when they talk

[brazen fjord]

ooooh, is that different to how skinwalkers does it? cause I swear with skinwalkers it was always a perfect replay of someone

[timber notch]

Ahh neat

[deft cape]

not sure, when i tried skinwalkers before writing my mod, it never really played voices for me

like i'd hear them once in a blue moon

so i have no clue what it sounded like

updated the changelog to hopefully sound a bit mroe clear

[brazen fjord]

Neat, i'll check it out. Is there an option to change the intensity of the filter in config by any chance?

[deft cape]

the audio filter? not sure what you mean by intensity, but there's no config for that part

[brazen fjord]

Oh I was thinking like if it distorts the voice playback through a filter, if you could config the intensity of the distortion or something. All good though

[deft cape]

well without the audio filters, the voices become way too clear because it's the same sound as what you get straight out of your microphone

so the filters is there to make it try to sound the same as the game

[brazen fjord]

Ahhh I see, I misunderstood at first

[errant cypress]

Just wanted to say thank you for making this, we had so many good moments ^^

[deft cape]

np, glad you liked it!

[errant cypress]

if I understand correctly, Skinwalker recorded the already filtered sound from other players locally. So no further filtering is required and can be played back 1:1.

Mirage mod only copies the direct sound of your microphone, that's why filtering is needed.
It plays your voice back to other people.

But I had a weird bug where I spoke with one other dead guy and instead of hearing his voice directly, I heard it as if it comes from the ship.
I think it was around the time the ship flew away, not sure.

[deft cape]

it's possibly fixed in the latest version

if that still happens lmk

[waxen basin]

what spawn control mods do you recommend? I really just prefer having them spawn on all moons

[deft cape]

someone mentioned a mod that worked for them, but i don't remember what it's called 😓

[remote iris]

Lethaldevmode works

[deft cape]

isn't that more for forcing a spawn for testing purposes?

[waxen basin]

Yeah thats what I thought of too when I checked it

[deft cape]

something like PestControl is probably more like what you're looking for, haven't tested it myself though

[waxen basin]

hmm, yeah I'll look into it after I submit my stuff for work~

[remote iris]

oh they want normal spawning?

[remote iris]

ah then advanced company or lethalquantities both work

also lethalcompanyvariables

[deft cape]

yep

i should try AC sometime

[soft hollow]

imma just store these here

[timber notch]

Are you using MEO Fork or MEO?

[lofty sorrel]

This would be neither, just AdvancedCompany

[timber notch]

Oh, really?

[lofty sorrel]

Yep

[timber notch]

Huh

I was able to see cosmetics as host with advanced company

[lofty sorrel]

With or without Mirage?

[timber notch]

With mirage

You just need to use MEO Fork

[lofty sorrel]

Well yeah but you're supposed to be able to see the cosmetics without MEO

[timber notch]

It has a compatibility mode for Mirage

[timber notch]

Yes, it’s a known issue and that’s the officially reccomended fix until AC cosmetic compatibility is fully integrated into Mirage.

[lofty sorrel]

We know? That's why we're talking about it

[timber notch]

I was telling them how to fix it?

[lofty sorrel]

It doesn't work though, I have AC with cosmetics, Mirage with natural spawns, MEO Fork with compatibility turned on, and they don't have cosmetics for the host

[soft hollow]

Let me be the judge of that one

https://tenor.com/view/hamon-jojos-bizarre-adventure-power-stance-pose-gif-17841463

[timber notch]

I’ll try it again but it worked for me a couple of days ago

It it doesn’t work than one of the mod updates broke it

[lofty sorrel]

The only cosmetics that show up are ones from players that were turned, rather than ones that were spawned naturally

[soft hollow]

yea no it doesnt work

[lofty sorrel]

I'm gonna try real quick with Masked spawned by player death

[soft hollow]

ok

msame

same

[timber notch]

Booting up the game now to test it myself as well jic it’s a mod conflict

It was working like two days ago lmfao

Okay maybe not that recently I can’t remember

But I know it was working when I released 3.0.2 of my modpack

Yep they ain't spawning with cosmetics

let me grab 3.0.0 to test

[soft hollow]

Yea it only works when a player gets turned

This is the host looking at a client getting turned

And the masked of the client kept its cosmetics

[timber notch]

booting up 3.0.0 rn

[soft hollow]

but the cosmetics of the masked of the host dont show

[timber notch]

this is before i switched to the fork

[lofty sorrel]

Can confirm the cosmetics do also work when the Masked is spawned from a dead player. Only not working for naturally spawned Masked

[timber notch]

Works for naturally spawned on 3.0.0 of my modpack, gonna check what mods differ

(used random ones lol)

it's a good thing i started keeping changelogs with 3.0.1

[timber notch]

Likely the only notable mods here would be AC/Mirage/MEO

3.0.0:
Advanced Company v1.0.149
Mirage v1.0.8
Masked Enemy Overhaul v3.1.2

3.0.3:
Advanced Company v1.1.1
Mirage v1.0.12
Masked Enemy Overhaul Fork v3.1.990

[lofty sorrel]

Without Mirage it works as expected

Seems like the naturally spawned Masked just aren't getting assigned players properly?

[timber notch]

I'll try and see which update caused it

v1.0.8: Works
v1.0.9: Works
v1.0.10: Works
v1.0.11: Works
v1.0.12: Works

1.0.9

1.0.10

1.0.11

[lofty sorrel]

All of these are naturally spawned?

[timber notch]

For the sake of accuracy i'll test .12 with this setup

[timber notch]

Yep. using MEO apocalypse

[lofty sorrel]

And the MEO compatibility setting turned on I assume

[timber notch]

nah this is the official meo

old version of my pack

[lofty sorrel]

Oh well it should always work then

[soft hollow]

So the issue is the fork?

[lofty sorrel]

No the issue is with Mirage assigning players to naturally spawned Masked

All the fork compatibility setting does is lets Mirage handle assigning players

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-stone-ocean-wine-jojo-part6-gif-24021336

Oh @deft cape

When you can come look at this

[timber notch]

so uh

1.0.12

the issue isn't mirage

[lofty sorrel]

The reason the compatibility setting was important was because the voice wasn't matching the Masked when using MEO because both mods are assigning players

You CAN get cosmetics to always work, it just means that Mirage voices won't be correct. In order for Mirage voices to be correct, you have to sacrifice the host seeing cosmetics

[timber notch]

The question is what mod is the issue now

[lofty sorrel]

Mirage

[timber notch]

i just tested it with .12 and it works

that's a naturally spawned masked with ac cosmetics

[lofty sorrel]

Idk how to explain this any better

The cosmetics will appear, but the voice the Masked uses won't necessarily be that of the mimicked player

[timber notch]

yes i know. the issue i'm looking into is the cosmetics not appearing at all

[lofty sorrel]

One of Mirage's main features is the mimicked voice is the same as the mimicked player

Turn off the compatibility with MEOFork and cosmetics will work

[timber notch]

tried both on and off, i'll try rebooting but it seems to wok forr me so far

[soft hollow]

I mean the issue HAS to be Mirage or AC

MEO ignored

Because cosmetics can work for clients with just AC and Mirage

Just not the host

[lofty sorrel]

Issue is by default Masked that are naturally spawned aren't assigned a player I don't think, so AC alone will always have naturally spawned Masked have no cosmetics

AC doesn't assign players to Masked, it just lets other mods do it in a way that allows for cosmetics

[timber notch]

rebooted and now they spawn without

[lofty sorrel]

With compatibility on or off

[timber notch]

booted with it on

Booting with it off, and changing it on with LC Config: both work
booting with it on, and changing it off with lc config: both dont work

[lofty sorrel]

The changes you make in LC_Config don't necessarily change anything until a reboot

[timber notch]

So the issue either occurs during boot, or LethalConfig doesn't kick in until a reboot for that

[lofty sorrel]

You need to reboot for most changes in LC_Config

There's very few things you won't need to for, usually only clientside mods

[timber notch]

i'll try with an older version of mirrage now

trying to focus in on where the issue stems from

[lofty sorrel]

I don't think it's ever worked

Just nobody noticed because we all used MEO with it

[timber notch]

It seems the issue is that compatibility mode disables the aspect of MEO that allows Mirage to work with AC cosmetics.

[lofty sorrel]

MEO compatibility takes away the mod's ability to assign players to Masked and gives that power exclusively to Mirage

Hence why Mirage is the issue

[timber notch]

So basically this still stands?

^

I got to overthinking trying to re-write it and have myself confused now of what mod combos cause what results lol

[lofty sorrel]

Only change is with the first one . There are cosmetics, just not for the host

[timber notch]

Ahhhh, gotcha

That’s a weird issue

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah you'd think it'd be the other way around

[timber notch]

So there’s currently no way to have mirage with AC cosmetics without a mismatch for a host?

[lofty sorrel]

You can by disabling the compatibility, but the voices the Masked use are unlikely to be from the same player as the Masked is mimicking

[timber notch]

So essentially

• Mirage: Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced with everyone except the host, who can’t see them. Voices can mismatch.

• Mirage with MEO: Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices can mismatch.

• Mirage with MEO compat: Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can’t see them.

[lofty sorrel]

Mirage on its own also has cosmetics, just not for the host

The cosmetics are supplied by AC, not MEO

[timber notch]

Skinwalkers with MEO: Suits and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices aren’t synced and can mismatch.

[lofty sorrel]

The issue with cosmetics occurs irregardless of whether you have MEO with compatibility or just Mirage

[timber notch]

So does using MEO compat achieve anything? Like does it fix anything for non-hosts?

[lofty sorrel]

The only features MEO adds ontop of Mirage are nameplates and spawn controls, so if you don't need those you don't need any version of MEO

[lofty sorrel]

It just fixes the voice mismatch

[timber notch]

well MEO without compat makes it visible to host

[lofty sorrel]

Oh well yeah if you're willing to deal with the voice mismatch

[timber notch]

It just causes a voice mismatch

Yeah

[lofty sorrel]

The choice while using Mirage is either:

All see cosmetics but voices won't always match (Using MEOFork without compatibility mode on)

All but host see cosmetics but voices always match (Using Mirage only, or using MEOFork with compatibility mode on)

[timber notch]

Assuming you’re using Advanced Company:

Skinwalkers + MEO

• Suits and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices aren’t synced and can mismatch.

Mirage

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced with everyone except the host, who can’t see them. Voices can mismatch.

Mirage + MEO w/o compat

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices can mismatch.

Mirage + MEO w/ compat

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can’t see them.

[lofty sorrel]

Yep

Unsure how it all works with MoreCompany and no AdvancedCompany, but that's all correct when talking about AdvancedCompany cosmetics

[soft hollow]

Wait

voices can mismatch even with mirage?

[timber notch]

Mirage syncs voices

Or wait

Wait I gotta fix a thing

Assuming you’re using Advanced Company:

Skinwalkers + MEO

• Suits and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices aren’t synced and can mismatch.

Mirage

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics don’t work.

Mirage + MEO w/o compat

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices can mismatch.

Mirage + MEO w/ compat

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can’t see them.

[lofty sorrel]

Referring to Masked mimicking voices. The voices are synced between players. Players will hear the same thing

[timber notch]

I think this is right

[deft cape]

if it only doesnt work for natural spawns it's definitely mirage

[soft hollow]

Wait

[deft cape]

ill look into it

[lofty sorrel]

Voice mismatch meaning - A Masked spawns using Player 1's cosmetics, but Player 2's voice comes out

[soft hollow]

Mirage with AC cosmetics work but only for client

[deft cape]

AC probably applies its cosmetics beforw mirage sets the mimicking player

[soft hollow]

yea i figured it out

Im so smart

[deft cape]

makes a lot of sense now

y'all solved the mystery

[timber notch]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[soft hollow]

Now is it fixable

[timber notch]

So does using standalone mirage have the same effect as using mirage with meo with compat

[lofty sorrel]

Presumably an easy fix, just was hard to pinpoint what the issue is

[lofty sorrel]

Yes

[soft hollow]

Yea because thats the test I did that started this

[timber notch]

I’ve never used mirage standalone lol

Okay thought so, just had myself turned around

[soft hollow]

I did AC with only Mirage and had the host / client cosmetic mismatch issue

[deft cape]

ill look into how AC applies cosmetics so i can do the same for natural spawns

not sure if i'll do it today though

[timber notch]

Assuming you’re using Advanced Company:

Skinwalkers + MEO

• Suits and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices aren’t synced and can mismatch.

Mirage

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can’t see them.

Mirage + MEO w/o compat

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices can mismatch.

Mirage + MEO w/ compat

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can only see them on turned Masked.

So this^ is accurate?

[soft hollow]

Its only with Mirage and MEO that you as a host, when a client gets turned you can see their cosmetics, but not on a naturally spawning masked

[timber notch]

Okay edited it

So that should be right now

[soft hollow]

I believe this is all correct

[errant cypress]

So if not using AC, everything should be fine?

[lofty sorrel]

Haven't tested with MoreCompany

[timber notch]

I haven’t either

[lofty sorrel]

But if you're not using cosmetics, Mirage alone or with MEO and compatibility turned on will work

[errant cypress]

Would be nice to know if it works with MoreCompany ^^

[timber notch]

It should

[lofty sorrel]

I'll give it a go

[timber notch]

Let us know the results and I’ll update the list

[soft hollow]

if you are willing to be the honored one

everything is fine with just AC and Mirage

[timber notch]

“This can’t be sent because it contains content blocked by this server.”

What in the world could’ve been blocked what

[unborn jasper]

Ehh... not entirely sure, was just looking at that. Reading through...

[timber notch]

👍

[unborn jasper]

Want me to post it for you?

[timber notch]

Sure

[unborn jasper]

Advanced Company Compatibility

Skinwalkers + Masked Enemy Overhaul (or MEO Fork)

• Suits and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices aren’t synced and can mismatch. Includes the option for fading masks.

Mirage

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can’t see them. Doesn’t include the option for fading masks.

Mirage + Masked Enemy Overhaul Fork (without the compatibility patch)

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices can mismatch. Includes the option for fading masks.

Mirage + Masked Enemy Overhaul Fork (with the compatibility patch)

• Voices and suits are synced for all players. Cosmetics are synced for everyone except the host, who can only see them on turned Masked. Includes the option for fading masks.

More Company Compatibility

Skinwalkers + Masked Enemy Overhaul (or MEO Fork)

• Suits and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices aren’t synced and can mismatch. Includes the option for fading masks.

Mirage

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Doesn’t include the option for fading masks.

Mirage + Masked Enemy Overhaul Fork (without the compatibility patch)

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Voices can mismatch. Includes the option for fading masks.

Mirage + Masked Enemy Overhaul Fork (with the compatibility patch)

• Voices, suits, and cosmetics are synced for all players. Includes the option for fading masks.

[timber notch]

Thanks!

[unborn jasper]

You're welcome. Do tell me if you want anything else pinned too.
(I'll be unpinning/repinning the first message so it's in the right order.)

There we go.

[timber notch]

Just tried sending it in the TMLC server and it was blocked there too

Weird

[unborn jasper]

I mean, it has more headers than actual text. I wouldn't be surprised that flipping spam filters.

[timber notch]

Yeah that’s my guess

Especially since it worked after I removed the More Company section which I accidentally included

[lofty sorrel]

MoreCompany cosmetics all work for naturally spawned Masked. Didn't test turned Masked but I imagine that works fine

@errant cypress

[stark rampart]

what does fading masks mean?

[deft cape]

for the fading mask thing, could you not just enable mask textures in mirage and let MEO(F) deal with it

[deft cape]

not even too sure myself

[errant cypress]

Perfect, thanks!

[lofty sorrel]

I think it's for revealing the mask when it starts chasing someone?

[stark rampart]

btw has anyone reported voice issues after the last update?

[deft cape]

@timber notch thanks for writing the whole list, this'll make it so much easier for ppl to see the tradeoffs (until i fix them in mirage)

[stark rampart]

I was using skinwalkers until it was completely fixed

thats why I'm asking

[deft cape]

you mean the thing with non hosts not being able to hear?

that was fixed in the previous update already

[stark rampart]

issues in general

I remember the filters being a little odd

[deft cape]

oh that should be fixed in the very latest update

[stark rampart]

ok I will download it again, thanks!

[errant cypress]

Perfect, I will add MEOF with compatibility enabled :)
List keeps expanding...

[stark rampart]

woah, I got only 53 mods and thought it was a lot

[errant cypress]

I started with 10, but everytime I looked at ThunderStore, I found something that would spice up the gameplay 😄

Anything else to change in MEOF like Usernames?

[stark rampart]

ngl after I found this discord I've got so many new mods

[deft cape]

lmk if the voice filters sound good to you now after you play/test

[stark rampart]

ok I will tell you when I can, though tomorrow my school starts again and I won't be able to play that much

[deft cape]

yee sounds good

[soft hollow]

Thank u 💜

[lofty sorrel]

I'll also let you know how things are next time my friends play

[timber notch]

Yeah that’s what I intended to mean

[timber notch]

^

[timber notch]

No problem! I’m happy to help. c:

[deft cape]

oh im dumb

[stark rampart]

Is this working properly now?

[deft cape]

didnt read the next line LMFAO

[deft cape]

last i tested yeah

[stark rampart]

lets goo then

[deft cape]

shouldnt be any bugs rn other than AC not applying cosmetics for the host

which is what aleecksword's list is about

[stark rampart]

is that fixed with MEO fork?

[buoyant skiff]

What does that do btw? Makes player who's voice is being mimiced not hear it?

[stark rampart]

yeah so ppl dont hear themselves

[deft cape]

@stark rampart heres the options until i fix it

[deft cape]

once ur dead you'll be able to hear them mimic you again

[stark rampart]

well my group dont use cosmetics anyway :p

[deft cape]

should (hopefully) be bugless for you then

[stark rampart]

still enjoy MEO for the bracken spawn rarity and nametags

good combo

[errant cypress]

In case you or anyone here is interested in some more mods to :P
https://paste.ee/p/sMPOj

[errant cypress]

That's what I wanted to ask the whole day, but forgot

Does this also apply to other mobs?

[buoyant skiff]

Masked only raise their arms when near, right?

Or when attacking to be precise.

[deft cape]

in that case make sure you use MEOF instead with the compatibility config

[stark rampart]

oh right

[lofty sorrel]

By default yes

[deft cape]

yep it's about the voice mimicking specifically, so it applies to any enemy that does it

[buoyant skiff]

Should I disable overlapping options in Mirage or MEOF? Stuff like arms/mask?

[deft cape]

only if arms out animation is enabled (it's disabled by default in the config)

[buoyant skiff]

Yeah, I'm just trying to remember how it is in vanilla.

Haven't seen masked in a while.

[deft cape]

not sure if it really matters, but if theres a conflict you can just disable it in one of the mods

[errant cypress]

Perfect, I am thinking about replacing Skinwalker mod for next time... does anyone get mimiced or just players that are not near you? 😄

[deft cape]

naturally spawned enemies mimic a random player

masked enemies that spawn from turning another player will always mimic said player

[stark rampart]

wait WHAT

is that a thing?

[deft cape]

naturally spawned enemies are disabled by default though so you'd need to enable it if you want that

[deft cape]

which part

[stark rampart]

the second one

[buoyant skiff]

In Mirage it is.

[deft cape]

yep

as long as you dont use MEO anyways

[stark rampart]

damn 10/10 mod then 😆

[deft cape]

since MEO will override the mimicking player

[errant cypress]

Always a random player, right? Not always the same player, right? 😄

[deft cape]

it was a thing since v1 LOL

[deft cape]

always random

[stark rampart]

with MEOF it will work right

[errant cypress]

Okay, thank you very much ❤️

[deft cape]

with the compatibility config it should

[stark rampart]

damn I'm so dumb 🤣

[deft cape]

tbf some ppl dont even know cuz they use MEO so they assume it doesnt work

[errant cypress]

I would also add that you can hear mimics of yourself after death, that's why I didn't use it before 😄

[deft cape]

my solution to that on v1 was the zombie spawning mechanic, so you never hear your own voice

but then turns out most ppl want natural spawns

and that was indeed an issue

muting the local voice thing was such a simple solution that i never thought of myself LOL

was recommend by someone else here

[stark rampart]

Something I personally like to do is to make centipedes (or snare fleas) mimic voices. It is just an evil trap

follow the voice and get suffocated

[deft cape]

does it not sound like it's coming from above? 👀

i dont have anything mimicking voices other than masked enemies personally

[stark rampart]

well most of the times I don't even pay attention to that

when I was using skinwalkers atleast it didn't sound like it

never tried with Mirage

though I'm gonna do that soon

[errant cypress]

Did anyone test it with MaskedAIRevamp?

[buoyant skiff]

How does MaskTheDead work with Mirage? I assume masked spawned by that mod just mimic random voices?

[deft cape]

i'm not sure if it actually does or not, i was just assuming since unity handles it sounding 3d

[deft cape]

others have mentioned it and it didn't seem like there were conflicts so i'm assuming it should be fine

[deft cape]

i took a look at their github and from what it looks like, it should correctly mimic the voice of whoever died

[buoyant skiff]

Huh, neat.

[errant cypress]

Perfect, thanks :)

[silent sleet]

can there be a fake username over the masked with this mod

[deft cape]

that's something i'll definitely add later on but not anytime soon

not sure if it'd work but maybe you could try MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork with the compatibility config

[dark talon]

masked and girl for me.
I think lore wise slimes would actually kinda make sense as well - cause they like music (frequencies?). Maybe if you also enable other enemies slimes can be like a decoy so you're not immediately like 'I heard a voice. There's a dangerous enemy there' but more like 'huh? that wasn't you? Surely it's just a slime, right?'

[inner idol]

bracken seems intelligent enough to try something like that

after all, it can outsmart many players

😄

[dark talon]

problem with bracken from my experience is that once you see him - which usually happens unless he insta gibs you - you'll always know where he is because of the voice

[inner idol]

true

so you either set that almost everyone can talk or none, but masked

[dark talon]

yea

[inner idol]

or masked + fun neutral ones, like beehives, birds and hawks

just to have laugh at phrases

[dark talon]

hmm, I might actually try slimes + bracken and maybe coilhead for a day and see how that affects the team dynamic.. 🤔

[inner idol]

any outside enemy will do actually

dogs? why not

you see them anyway

coilheads are good option too, they are not hiding from you

[deft cape]

i think anything that talks other than masked is wack, but that's just me lmao

hence why mirage originally was for masked enemies only, until people kept asking to support other enemies

[inner idol]

at some point lethal company stops being scary and/or surprise you, you just having fun with friends

so random talking enemies is for fun

[deft cape]

true, i'm still at the noob stages since i haven't played the game much

[timber notch]

You haven’t experienced fear until there’s a dog right outside the closed ship door trying to get you to come out with the voice of your friend it just ripped to shreds

[inner idol]

i had snare flea jumpscared me one time with a loud "fuck off" phrase

you know, i noticed it from a distance and was just casually walking, ready for it's attack

but i was not ready for the loud jumpscare

[lofty sorrel]

You haven’t experienced fear until there’s a dog right outside the closed ship door trying to get you to come out with the voice of your friend saying "kiss me with your hot mouth"

[timber notch]

rushes to open door

[cosmic barn]

so is this like a synced version of skinwalkers?

[rain mountain]

yep, just finished a session and it worked great

the voices are waaaayyyy more convincing now lol

only thing i notice now is that when MEOF remove mask and zombie animation is disabled and i used mirage's, the animation goes away but the mask stays. so i just have it flipped the other way around for now and it works

[deft cape]

niceee glad the voice filters are more proper now

[deft cape]

wait if only mirage has the setting enabled, the mask is able to come back?

[deft cape]

yes, although it comes with extra features that you might want to disable if you just want a more skinwalkers like experience: https://github.com/qwbarch/lc-mirage#what-configuration-options-should-i-use-for-a-more-vanilla-experience

[rain mountain]

whenever mirage has the setting the mask isn't removed

removing mask only works on MEOF for me

[deft cape]

yikes i remember it working for me before 🤔

[remote iris]

Imma test rn

[deft cape]

bet lmk

[remote iris]

they dont have no mask

meof hide mask is tfalse

[deft cape]

so it does work

i would've been really surprised if it somehow broke

[rain mountain]

weird. i have no idea what mod would be breaking that. i'll do some tests tomorrow

[deft cape]

even if it somehow broke with another mod it's probably not that big of a deal tbh

although i don't even see how it'd break

[remote iris]

yep it works

tried this one expermentation

it worked

[deft cape]

nicee thanks for the confirmation

[lofty sequoia]

question !!!

is this mod incompatible with ac?

i read something about it here but i'm still unsure whether that's currently the case

i seem to be only able to hear my own voice mimiced ingame

[deft cape]

yes, but currently there's an issue where AC cosmetics only work on non-hosts (check the latest pin for more info)

[lofty sequoia]

two others have also only heard me

oh?

[deft cape]

are you on the latest version?

[lofty sequoia]

should be !

i normally press update all each time

anything needs one

[deft cape]

that's odd, can you send me your profile code so i can just take a quick look

it was an issue in 1.0.10 but it should've been fixed

[lofty sequoia]

got it

018da641-5d3a-7324-5be6-45301aa58e37

[deft cape]

just making sure, your friends all have 1.0.12 as well right

[lofty sequoia]

mhm

[deft cape]

cuz sometimes people don't run on the same versions

and it causes issues

ah

[lofty sequoia]

i sent the entire profile to each of them

lol

the code import option carries config too right?

[deft cape]

i think so

but that doesn't matter in the case of mirage

since the config is synced

[lofty sequoia]

ahh

ill be trying again with the group in a bit but

i can check back here whenever you figure something out hopefully

[deft cape]

yep im about to launch 2 instances of the game with your profile just to take a look

[lofty sequoia]

oo ok

im testing with a slightly altered config and

i can hear others i think?

but i can hear my own even with the setting to disable local on

[remote iris]

u sure u clicked save?

idk sometimes i forget

[errant cypress]

Yes it does

[lofty sequoia]

mhm

[deft cape]

i tried your profile code and i can hear voices on both clients

although i did get errors with MaskedAIRevamp, and the masked enemy seemed to get stuck because of it

not sure if it's specifically a conflict with mirage or because of some other mod, because i don't remember people mentioning any issues using Mirage + MaskedAIRevamp

[lofty sequoia]

oh odd

any clue for the fix on being able to hear myself then?

[deft cape]

isn't it because you enabled this setting

[lofty sequoia]

also i think due to a dependency bees spawned on the company building uh

[lofty sequoia]

yeah it should be muting any copies of myself right?

but i can still hear em

[deft cape]

definitely wouldn't be a dependency of mirage, cuz my dependencies aren't even mods, they're code libraries

[lofty sequoia]

hm

[deft cape]

oh thats what you mean

well i'll test again with just mirage just to make sure i didn't break it in the latest update

[lofty sequoia]

mk

[deft cape]

btw what mod is doing all the sound changes in your modpack? is that lethal ressonance

sounds sick

[lofty sequoia]

mhm!!

first time actually trying it lol

[deft cape]

yeah ive been wanting to try it out as well, like it quite a bit so far just off of that quick test

@lofty sequoia ah that's a bug with mirage, will be fixed on the next update

for the issue of still being able to hear yourself even with the mute local player voice setting enabled

[lofty sequoia]

ooo okay

i went ahead and got rid of maskedairevamp

just to be safe

[deft cape]

yeah after removing it on your profile i stopped getting any errors

although i do wonder what the conflict is

[lofty sequoia]

no clue

before all this I was stuck with the "stuck in orbit" issue but

removing immersivescraps fixed that

as far as I know

all versions of these packs have been riddled with bugs aghh

😭

[lofty sequoia]

any clue when that'll be maybe !?

[deft cape]

i've fixed it, but i'm trying to figure out how to make AC cosmetics work on the host

so after i fix that i'll push an update

[errant cypress]

how do you test these mods without buying 3 games on other accounts?

[buoyant skiff]

#1184708473800364083 message

[deft cape]

yep exactly that, you can run multiple LAN copies locally

[errant cypress]

I see, thanks :)

[deft cape]

v1.0.13 is released:

• AdvancedCompany cosmetics now properly apply on hosts (previously only applied on non-hosts)
• Fixed a bug that caused MuteLocalPlayerVoice to get ignored

Also huge thanks to everyone who helped test the interaction between Mirage and AdvancedCompany's cosmetics, and figured out the issue was indeed from Mirage

[deft cape]

pinging you just so you know it's been fixed in the latest update

[lofty sequoia]

tyy

[dark brook]

WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[deft cape]

hopefully that's the last of the main bugs out of the way 😂

[dark brook]

also is masked fix needed or does mirage solve the vanilla masked issues that zeekeers didnt patch?

[deft cape]

masked fix is needed

i think i deleted the recommended mods off the readme for some reason but

masked fix and dissonance lag fix is recommended

gonna need to add that back

[small glacier]

Your consistent bugfixes and updates are much appreciated! Thank you so much

[dark brook]

🫡

[lofty sorrel]

Genuinely can't think of anything else that was causing any issues. While I was testing with LAN I did occasionally get an error spam to do with saving files or something, but I'd say that's more likely a LAN specific error, or that my microphone wasn't plugged in

[deft cape]

what was the issue you were having again? sorry i've got the memory of a goldfish 😅

[lofty sorrel]

Just the cosmetics issue, and the voice filter, both of which are now fixed

If it wasn't clear I meant I can't think of any more bugs with Mirage other than ones already fixed

I might go back and test the LAN error spam and see if it's a real issue of just an effect of how I set up testing, but I imagine it's nothing to worry about

[deft cape]

ohh nice good to know

how are you testing on LAN? i don't get LAN specific error spam so i'm curious

[dense holly]

is this mod made for the skinwalker mod?

[lilac saffron]

no its better

[dense holly]

huh?

[lilac saffron]

its skinwalkers mod but better

[dense holly]

alr Ima replace it then

ty

[lilac saffron]

np

[dense holly]

are there any config settings I should turn on or off?

[deft cape]

depends on what you want out of the mod. if you want something more like skinwalkers, i'd recommend using these settings: https://github.com/qwbarch/lc-mirage#what-configuration-options-should-i-use-for-a-more-vanilla-experience

by default, natural spawns is turned off and players who die have a 100% chance to spawn as a masked enemy

[dense holly]

I changed that to 30% but I don't really understand how the MuteLocalPlayerVoice works

[fading sapphire]

Oh good call, I removed that mod as Skinwalkers had it integrated

[deft cape]

MuteLocalPlayerVoice (when enabled) makes it so that if a monster is mimicking your voice, you can't hear, but other players still can.
once you're dead you'll be able to hear it again though

[dense holly]

that would be unnecessary if natural spawning is turned off right?

[deft cape]

yeah it's not implemented in mirage so i gotta add it back to the README.
speaking of which, i forgot yet again to mention about the meo fork on the readme 😭

[deft cape]

if natural spawning is off then it's not needed since you'll only ever see masked enemies from the SpawnOnPlayerDeath mechanic

although i think last time i played, masked enemies could still spawn on modded moons (so that's a bug i'll need to fix, but it's super low priority cuz it doesn't matter that much)

[dense holly]

Last question, is this mod compatible with the accessories from MoreCompany?

[deft cape]

it should

at least last i tested it, it works fine

[dense holly]

Okay ty

[fading sapphire]

Oh quick question as I'm not sure how it is now, is the spawnondeath still playing funny with MaskedAIRevamp?

Also new friend to the game started panicking when a masked came outside the ship mimicking him and saying his lines, he was freaking out over the walkie asking if they record your voice 😂

[deft cape]

not sure since i've never tested that. i did try to install MaskedAIRevamp to test it earlier today, but it bugged out even for turning a player to a masked enemy itself, which i assume something from mirage is conflicting with it

[fading tusk]

lmao

[deft cape]

LOOL

it's always so fun to see a completely new player experience even just a vanilla masked enemy

[fading tusk]

wait there is a bug with Masked and MaskedAIRevamp?

[deft cape]

idk if it's from mirage and maskedairevamp specifically but when i was testing someone's modpack earlier, it was causing issues when turning a player into a masked enemy

so something is definitely conflicting it, and idk if it's mirage specifically or not

[fading sapphire]

Huh that's weird, I've not had that happen during my testing, the new friend met the groups "4th player" and got turned 😅

[deft cape]

interesting, i might try out MaskedAIRevamp in my own games tomorrow then

[fading sapphire]

How exactly did it bug out?

[errant cypress]

I will also test it today then, would be nice to know of everything's working before the next game night

[autumn glen]

yeah it does from my experience

[fading tusk]

i was using TakeThatMaskedOff, MEOF, Mirage, MaskedAI Revamp and TooManyEmotes for the mask

[deft cape]

original masked enemy disappeared (with errors on the console), and the newly spawned masked enemy was stuck staring at the ground

don't remember what the logs even said cuz i just closed the game and removed it, since i was trying to debug mirage specifically

[fading sapphire]

Ah I don't use take that mask off, MEO or TME

[deft cape]

does TooManyEmotes work on vanilla masked enemies?

[fading tusk]

yeah. they emote

[deft cape]

cuz if it does, it should work with mirage now

previously it wouldn't work cuz of the way mirage handled spawns

[fading tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tolfy-fennix-fortnite-flippin-sexy-flip-gif-26000910

my doppelganger does this whenever i see it

or that Hello emote

[deft cape]

if it doesn't then i'll have to take a look later on for how to fix it

oh like with mirage? or for vanilla

[fading sapphire]

I'll do a couple tests on my profile after work with airework/mirage, how do you get multiple sessions up again? Is it just running modded from r2modman twice and going into LAN?

[errant cypress]

Yes, it did, I was talking to a friend and apparently he died by a lightning. But I didn't recognize that since he got instantly replaced by a turned mask and started emoting after a short while. So I emoted too, then I died :)

[fading tusk]

without mirage

they can emote with just Toomanyemotes alone

if the other people doesnt have the mod. they will just see the mask dancing with the dance1 emote

[deft cape]

i recommend using this script for running multiple of the same profile: https://github.com/ricky-davis/LC_LaunchProfile
there's also autostart to make getting into lan games on multiple clients faster, which i have a showcase here: #1184708473800364083 message

[fading tusk]

btw for mirage.

does diversity's Ghost girl walkie talkie be replaced with mirage?

[deft cape]

nope not yet

i'll add it later on

think im gonna just try and focus on the features i want first since i finally have some time to work on them

assuming i actually have no more bug fixes to do in the meantime

[fading sapphire]

Also just one last little thing, I think masked enemies spawned by Meltdown don't have mirage stuff applied to them, this will be tested later on but we saw a masked run out of the facility with an orange suit and had no voice mimicking

[deft cape]

the meltdown mod? didn't even know they spawn masked enemies 👀

gonna be trying that mod out tmrw so i guess im about to see

[fading sapphire]

Yeah it has a number of enemies spawned and a blacklist, I thought the idea of pulling the apparatus and seeing a familiar face in a panic would be great 😂

[deft cape]

it's a bit odd that there'd be no voice mimicking at all though. the way i have it setup is that if the masked enemy doesn't have a mimicking player set, it'll just pick a random one

[fading sapphire]

I'll test it later on with the ai rework stuff too, I'll let you know if it was coincidence or not

[deft cape]

sounds good, thanks!

i wonder if my latest fix might also fix whatever the issue was with meltdown

[shrewd mirage]

And what is higher in priority in mods, mirage or maskedoverlay, I ask in order to customize the functions of mimics such as EnableMask and others

[dark brook]

is this a map issue that the mimic spawned in the same spot the player died and got stuck?

[autumn glen]

yeah, mimics can spawn from dead bodies

so if you die in a pit it's just kinda stuck there

also keep having this problem with atlantica, idk you know that moon @deft cape

this is probably unfixable or veery hard to fix

but in atlantica some terrain sinks overtime

and if a zombie/masked/player mimic stands in one of those spots as it sinks it just kinda floats there

if they move enough though, they seem to realize there's no ground below them lmao

it was kinda like this LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/coyote-loony-tunes-bye-farewell-waving-gif-16026851

i dont ACTUALLY know if they truly fell off, i just saw them there for a few seconds and went back in, then came back out and they were gone

so i assume when the terrain finished sinking they just fell to the bottom

[dark brook]

okok

[autumn glen]

more of an atlantica issue than anything though

[autumn glen]

you can disable or modify the chance for this to happen in the config too!

[dark brook]

ty!

[timber notch]

[dark brook]

think i found an incompat with this and scaled penalties

😦

[small glacier]

I'm assuming if you change "EnablePenalty" to true, then it should become compatible?

[dark brook]

well its not gonna change anything though

im gonna get the penalty regardless

i thought it just wouldnt count the dude as dead

[small glacier]

You mean you're getting the penalty from ScaledPenalties anyway, even with "false" turned on? If so, why do you have ScaledPenalties installed if you don't want penalties to be applied?

Oh, I'm smolbrained—do you mean you want the penalty to not apply only when a body has been converted?

[dark brook]

yeyeye

cause i thought thats what the setting does

if it doesnt you can just disregard this convo haha

[small glacier]

Honestly that could be a good idea. Right now I believe it's only there to disable penalties altogether for those who let the mod give a 100% chance of turning a body into a masked (since there's no way to retrieve the body to mitigate it).

[dark brook]

Oh, yeah, that totally makes sense

(since there's no way to retrieve the body to mitigate it).

there actually is but it requires you to fall off the map or somewhere the masked cant spawn

[small glacier]

O, you mean like with teleporter? But then once you retrieve the body, wouldn't it convert? Or do bodies not convert on the ship?

[dark brook]

nope, i dont think it ever converts

[small glacier]

Interesting, good to know :3

[dark brook]

well it never did for me

but theres also this funny haha mod

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/F4ilS4fe/MaskTheDead/

mirage spawned a random masked

and another one for my teammate

sweird

but my teammate is alive and the other one uses my voicelines

ok it spawned another teammate copy lmao

[errant cypress]

He has a mask on?

[dark brook]

i have natural spawns off

[flat tiger]

Is this host only?

[dark brook]

and its spawning copies of people that are alive (the copies are silent) and theres a random ass masked standing in the vent with a mask on and using my voicelines

[dark brook]

no idea

[dark brook]

24 mb log owwww w

ok ANOTHER random masked spawned

its talking

but its on a custom moon that runs on LECore so might be an issue with that?

[errant cypress]

maybe some other mod broke the spawns?

[dark brook]

yeah maybe

and lecore is kinda outdated

[errant cypress]

A list of mods would be nice 😄

[dark brook]

018da77f-8a82-e988-63a1-821bdce99d7b

[atomic seal]

Did they tell me that Mirage is the future?
Can Skinwalkers be deleted?

[lilac saffron]

Yes

[small glacier]

I believe they could technically work together if for some reason you wanted some voicelines to be synced and others to be only heard by one player? I don't actually know. I might try that actually

[atomic seal]

It's better to have one thing

Skinwalkers is a bit outdated

[small glacier]

Yes, I think Mirage handles it much better if you only want one :3
Much more difficult to tell if a voice is real if everyone hears it

[waxen basin]

yo what the heck I missed so much lmao

last I remember we were talking about forks and spoons

[small glacier]

A fork (from "fork in a road/river") is a tweak of an existing mod since it "splits off" the original mod to go its own direction with different changes

[dark brook]

yeah feels like LE moons spawn masked regardless of mirage's settings

[atomic seal]

In terms of?

More details

Does Mirage have problems with LE moons?

[dark brook]

cant tell for sure

but it might spawn them regardless if spawns are turned on or off in mirage settings

[fading tusk]

yeah. if the spoon aint working. use a fork

[dark talon]

Is it possible that your LLL config is messed up and you're setting an inside enemy spawn list OR you have spawns in MEOF activated?

[dark brook]

nope

not running meof either

well a masked spawn with the mask on is weird by itself ngl

[dark talon]

hmm true

[dark brook]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2509137597475542179/36C058E562BAB7A291F54771BC34C0419613E5BF/

now it spawned one on a LLL moon...

but that one was under the map and the dude that spawned it also died by falling

[timber notch]

So MEO(F) is only needed if you want mask fading/its spawn changes now, right?

[dark brook]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2505759897755284905/6987DD0E14B00982D7E61A25CBC92994B9BC3197/

i also cant spectate them but clients can...

[errant cypress]

Wait, you can spectate Masked?

Or is it another mod?

[dark brook]

its #1176357567824396388

[lofty sorrel]

Probably the same as you? I think I know why I got the error, but I'm gonna try it again rn to see if it's replicable. I make the modpack in R2ModMan, change all the configs, then drag the BepInEx folder into the Lethal Company steam folder and run it twice.

[dark brook]

it also names the masked when you spectate them... well its supposed to

it didnt for the funny ones that didnt have cosmetic and i presume werent copying anyone

[lofty sorrel]

Is this a modded moon exclusive issue?

[dark brook]

It might be, it happened only on modded ones i think? im pretty sure

on both LLL and LECore moons

[lofty sorrel]

Okay good, seems like maybe the moons have some sort of weird workaround to allow Masked to spawn on them which doesn't use existing systems or something

[dark brook]

mmmmmmaybe

well it happened on aquatis and on triskelion

if that helps narrow it down

[lofty sorrel]

Regardless, modded moons are in a transitioning phase rn so I don't expect them to be stable. I doubt there's much Mirage can do

[lofty sorrel]

I can't replicate the spam error, though this is with the updated version, but it was to do with accidentally saving AdvancedCompany settings on the same preset in both LAN clients, which caused some weird issues of cosmetics not being assigned correctly etc, so I expect it was just that causing issues and nothing to worry about. It's only an issue in LAN cause saving the file in one client would overwrite the file for the other client, but not make changes to the other client ingame etc etc

[mortal mica]

Has this integrated active mic yet?

[lofty sorrel]

Yes

[mortal mica]

Yay :)

[deft cape]

damn that shouldve been fixed in 1.0.12, idk a solution then

for the floating thing i doubt i can fix that one

[deft cape]

yeah thats probably of no concern then, happens when loading multiple clients too fast sometimes

[deft cape]

ill have to take a look at the logs later. not sure what might be causing that

[fading sapphire]

@deft cape Just tested death turned to masked and it worked like a charm with AIRework, my friend jumped off the water tower on experimentation, little wobble animation then he was off to the ship, i'll get the masked spawns for meltdown tested later on

[deft cape]

hmm i guess the conflict with the modpack from earlier was a different mod then

i'm gonna try it rn as well

@dark brook also, couldn't replicate your issue, everything spawns fine for me

is everyone on the same version? sometimes ppl forget to update and it causes conflicts

[autumn glen]

nah yeah, that's just a moon issue, dw

[soft hollow]

Hello

[deft cape]

yooo whats good

[soft hollow]

tired as shit

[deft cape]

@autumn glen just to confirm though, a spawned masked enemy from falling to death doesn't error anymore right

[soft hollow]

hows stuff been going around here

[deft cape]

same can relate

so yesterday i pushed an update

AC cosmetics works on hosts now

• some other fix i don't even remember rn since im so tired

[soft hollow]

Amazing

So like, everything should be working 100000% right

[autumn glen]

oh I haven't been testing enemy behavior lately. I've just been testing fps since i noticed after an update some mods made my frames drop. ended up removing HD lethal company and it was gone :P

plus I haven't been playing with friends lately either, we've been on a short minecraft grind lmao

[autumn glen]

take a break boss, even if it's only for a day 🙏

you've been doing a ton of patches lately, you deserve it

almost everyday I've checked thunderstore and I've had to update mirage lmao

[deft cape]

oh yee i'm actually playing the game for once rn LOL

just added scopophobia and it scared the shit out of my friend 😂

[deft cape]

minecraft is goated

[dark brook]

yup

[deft cape]

definitely some sort of mod conflict then

im not having any issues rn

[fading sapphire]

Hey Barch, just got the meltdown tested, set the spawns of ext masked to 9999 and all of them successfully mimicked me, no idea why one was orange in our other session 🤔 Radar boosters wouldn't mess with masked spawning right?

Also I tried dying to a mask and it worked fine, must have been a different mod incompatibility, so far i've witnessed 0 conflict between Mirage and MaskedAIRevamp

[alpine flame]

mirage work with AC cosmetics now? including natural spawns?

[lofty sorrel]

Should do yeah

[alpine flame]

cool, i have no need for meo anymore

[deft cape]

uh

enabling natural spawns just makes it have the vanilla spawn rates

so if you want it to spawn on all maps you still need MEOF (the forked version) or something like AC to control spawn rates

[deft cape]

not sure what radar boosters are

i'm guessing the issue with meltdown was fixed with the AC fix

[lofty sorrel]

Radar Booster^

Idk exactly how they work codewise, but they can be switched to on the monitor so I think maybe they're implying maybe it's treating the Radar Booster as a player and trying to mimic it? I doubt that's happening though

[deft cape]

yeah i highly doubt that's an issue

[fading sapphire]

Oh yeah I totally forgot you mentioned that earlier 😂

Yeah most likely, I'll let you know if anything pops up

[deft cape]

sounds good tyty

[atomic seal]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/HomelessGinger/MaskedEnemyOverhaul/

Should I remove this mod

So that he doesn't conflict with Mirage?

since it has the same functionality

🥴

[timber notch]

That’s what was just being talked about lol

[atomic seal]

I'm just sitting with a translator

and I don't understand anything

Is it better to delete?

[timber notch]

Unless you use the mask fading or the spawn changing, you should delete it

[atomic seal]

This mod just supports dancing with TME

[atomic seal]

I use mask hiding and remove the zombie hand animation

But it's all there in Mirage

Right?

[silent sleet]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Coppertiel/MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork/

[timber notch]

If you want TME functionality i’d get the Fork

[silent sleet]

set mirage vanilla spawn to true so masked enemy's spawn changes can take over

[timber notch]

And set compatability mode to on in the settings

I completely forgot that TMEs stuff was linked to MaskedEnemyOverhaul and not native

[silent sleet]

what does compatibility mode do again

i forgor

[lofty sorrel]

Stops MEO from assigning players and just lets Mirage do it

[atomic seal]

I do not understand anything

[timber notch]

Let’s mirage take control of assigning players

[atomic seal]

I removed the spawn of masks

[timber notch]

Delete MaskedEnemyOverhaul and install this version of it: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Coppertiel/MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork/

[atomic seal]

I have a standard spawn of masks on regular vanilla

[silent sleet]

you dont need to delete

the game thinks that the fork is a updated vers

[timber notch]

Yeah but there’s no point in having the original

If you have the fork

[atomic seal]

I did not get anything

Sorry

I'm just confused

I tell you

[silent sleet]

wait so if the if i set that to true it'll use mirage's spawn settings

[atomic seal]

Mirage has the same functionality for hiding masks and hand animations

Can you hear me?

[timber notch]

Mirage does, yes

Oh, I looked into it. TooManyEmotes Mask emotes doesn’t need MaskedEnemyOverhaul to work

So yeah just delete it

You only need Mirage

[atomic seal]

I understand

Thank you

This is what I needed to hear

Love you ❤️

[timber notch]

❤️

[atomic seal]

Is it still topical?

[timber notch]

Yes, you still want to keep that

[atomic seal]

What can you say about these mods?

Do they all work stably?

I just can't check with anyone