Open Body Cams

[vital steeple]

that shouldn't have any performance effect, it's not actually rendering all of that in one frame

that effect is just from it rendering the previous frame into the screen

[silk quest]

Okay just wondering.

[dire birch]

I noticed github has a lot of commits two weeks ago, but the mod hasn't been updated in two months according to Thunderstore. Does the mod still work all good in current version of the game?

[steel saddle]

No problem so far for me n my group

[dire birch]

I'll add it to my modpack too in that case, thank you 😁

[vital steeple]

yeah, it's been stable on the latest release for a while. I've got some new features coming soon but since it seemed to be pretty bug free I didn't see a need to put out many updates in the meantime

[dusty glacier]

Why does the headcam always turn off after 1 day with General improvements?

[clever knot]

I think I had the same observation

#1199570032196333648 message

And I think that disabling the option to show background fixed it

[dusty glacier]

Ok thanks!

[clever knot]

actually that was lil' misinformation it seems

i just came out of running a longer lobby, and the body cam monitor is reliably turning off for me nevertheless

the only difference now is that instead of the better monitor blue background i have the normal monitor off thing

Mod code was 018f4a8a-3b14-748b-92ff-0b4e739822f8

[vital steeple]

oh, that's curious

were you a client or the host? and would you be able to provide a profile code for r2modman so I can try to reproduce it?

installing all those mods manually could be quite time consuming

I have yet to test with GI for the 2.0.0 release, though, so perhaps I'll just see the issue happen there regardless of the mod list

[inland cipher]

the code he provided looks identical to the modlist

[vital steeple]

oh wait I missed the code, whoops

thanks for pointing it out lol

will check it out later

[vital steeple]

when does it turn off? I wasn't able to reproduce on initial load without the background enabled for all screens, and neither did it occur after landing and taking off several times

I did reproduce the issue with the background enabled, though, that may be something that Shaosil will need to work with me to fix

[clever knot]

It seems to be after landing and some time in the dungeon

So I'm wondering if this is a cull factory thing or something similar

Checking a few videos from yesterday

Doesn't seem that I have captured this

I'll try to repro it

My theory is that you need to be some amount of time and/or distance away from the monitors for this to happen

[vital steeple]

huh, that would seem odd since the material that displays the body cam doesn't really care about where you are, but if you're able to reproduce it and figure out exactly how it happens that would be very helpful

could definitely be interesting to see a video for a round where it happened as well

if you can get that

[crude parrot]

out of curiosity

can you see the girl on the body cams?

she always shows up on the "external cam" of the ship

even for non-haunted players

would be cool if you can observe her on the body cams as well (assuming this isn't already a feature)

[vital steeple]

that's actually an artifact of the way that some mods like to make the player model visible on third person models, which the vanilla game doesn't do

in vanilla, the highest detail player model is set to only render in shadow maps, but mods like the mirror or emotes that display in third person will instead move that high detail model to the enemies not rendered layer and make the internal camera render that layer, iirc

OpenBodyCams doesn't do that, and it doesn't enable the enemies not rendered layer for the body cam, so that wouldn't happen on those

I wouldn't really consider it an option to do that, either, because firstly, the dress girl AI isn't doing anything valid when she's invisible and sometimes she ends up skipping in place I believe, and secondly, if zeekers adds more enemies that use that layer, it'll become even more obvious and problematic

[crude parrot]

?

im pretty sure ghost girl shows up on cctv even in vanilla

if you mean that's one of the artifacts

[crude parrot]

this is fair enough though

[vital steeple]

interesting, I'll check to make sure then

[crude parrot]

i rarely ever play 100% vanilla so i can't say for certain without testing it

[vital steeple]

she would obviously appear on it for the player being haunted while she is being aggressive

[crude parrot]

but i dont use mirror or emote mods, and i know i've seen her on the cameras even on a profile that doesn't use any body cam mods

including when someone besides me is being haunted

[vital steeple]

she isn't spawned for other clients though, as far as I know

[crude parrot]

not 100% sure of the details. maybe it's never been intended as a feature and is just some weird hijinks

there's a bunch of funky stuff going on with layers

[vital steeple]

there's a few other mods that mess with the layers, like the model replacement API iirc

[crude parrot]

don't use that either but yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Wzz33b2nI

can't be 100% certain this is unmodded footage but there's at least nothing immediately visible

you can at least see here that ghost girl still shows up on the camera for the haunted player even when she is "inactive" (not making any breathing sounds and wouldn't be visible to the haunted player)

skipping in place, as you said

[vital steeple]

yeah

it may be an intentional thing, since there's also a way to completely hide an enemy on all cameras, but I'm not sure why it would be desirable to show her in the skipping animation like that

the thing is, I'm pretty sure that only plays when she goes invisible when she's ready to attack

[crude parrot]

no clue

[vital steeple]

before that, she just stands there

it does appear to have the enemies not rendered layer enabled in vanilla, yeah

curious

[vital steeple]

Version 2.0.0 (requires v50)

• Added a ship upgrade to enable body cams for 200 credits which is enabled by default if LethalLib is installed. (many thanks to @merry juniper for making the antenna model!)
• Added support for adjusting the position of tulip snakes and snare fleas based on the view perspective.
• Added support for vanilla cosmetics (bunny ears, bee antennae).
• The screen that the body cam occupies will now switch back to the camera that originally displayed when the body cam is invalid, when GeneralImprovements's UseBetterMonitors is not enabled.
• Added an option to swap the external and internal cameras' positions when GeneralImprovements's UseBetterMonitors is not enabled.
• Added an option to modify the external camera screen's emissive color.
• Fixed an issue where the radar map's night vision light would be visible on body cams when CullFactory is enabled.
• The camera that is replaced by the body cam will now be disabled to improve performance.
• Allowed API users to override a body cam's resolution and DisableCameraWhileTargetIsOnShip option.

it's finally time!

should be available on Thunderstore before long

there were a lot of big changes internally, so let me know if you encounter any issues

[distant leaf]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[formal sinew]

do u have to get it from terminal even if u disable the ship upgrade config?

[vital steeple]

no, the body cams will be on by default when the ship upgrade is disabled

[formal sinew]

i want to disable cuz i already have so much to buy like with lgu and other stuff

[vital steeple]

so if LethalLib is not installed, or if the option is set to false

[formal sinew]

ok good

[vital steeple]

also, almost forgot to mention, thanks to @merry juniper for the awesome antenna model!

[tardy salmon]

Any idea as to why my internal cam is looking like this?

It's very bright

[dense dune]

You have the post processing for it disabled

[tardy salmon]

And where would that be?

[dense dune]

Inside of GeneralImprovements' config

Under Ship

Last option

[tardy salmon]

Yeah found it, thanks

I wonder why that's not in the monitor section

[dense dune]

Idk

@meager shore Why is that not under Monitor options?

[meager shore]

shrug I don't remember lol. I should probably move it

[uncut ridge]

im trying to quit the game thru the game menu and it wont let me
and logs say something about OBC

this one is from the start of the lobby

this one when I tried to quit the game

[vital steeple]

ah, looks like there's an issue with the ModelDestructionDebuggingPatchEnabled option, I can patch that, but it's fine to just turn that off

[uncut ridge]

thnx !

[formal sinew]

even tho i have lethal lib installed, the ship upgrade config "Enabled" is disabled by default

does that mean the cam is automatically on, or no

[vital steeple]

uh oh

that was supposed to be true by default, not sure how I managed that

when that option is false, yes, the body cams will be enabled as soon as you load into a game

[formal sinew]

also, how come the Pip terminal is disabled, does it cause any issues? cuz i think thats a really cool feature and hadnt noticed it before

[vital steeple]

main reason was that some other mods like to add commands for things like that, and I didn't want to screw with them

nothing broken with the command as far as I am aware

[formal sinew]

oh ok

[formal sinew]

do u know which mods

[vital steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1180739684654121091

also, there's one that adds a windows-like interface to the terminal that I saw a while back

not sure if that one is maintained

[formal sinew]

ok i dont have those so ill bet im good

[vital steeple]

yeah, it generally shouldn't cause an issue even if one of those mods exists, it would just be duplicate functionality

[vital steeple]

Uploading a hotfix for a compatibility with darmuhsTerminalStuff, and changing the default for the ship upgrade to enabled as it should have been

the old setting should be migrated to the new default if you ran OpenBodyCams 2.0.0 and generated the config option

[ruby sierra]

Speak

i mean

peak

[keen igloo]

i the host cant see the open body camera but my crew can

should i drop my code so soneone can see whats happenening

[dense dune]

If you're using GI set it to monitor 14 if that's where you had it instead of leaving it on 0

[tardy salmon]

I have GI and its set to 0, he probably has another issue

[dense dune]

Nah it was a blank camera for me when I had it on 0 after the update, I had to set it to 14 to fix it

[tardy salmon]

weird

[keen igloo]

i did that

still blank

[dense dune]

Probably whatever in your pack has been causing you desyncs then if I had to guess

[keen igloo]

can i give you my code cause ya seem to know things and i just dont

[vital steeple]

is that with the upgrade? it looks like it doesn't spawn properly on clients in the current version, I'm about to push another update

sorry about that

[tardy salmon]

Do you have additional monitors in GI enabled?

[dense dune]

It looks like Zaggy just realized the issue

[tardy salmon]

Ah, was about to say that if he didn't have that option enabled then the monitor number wouldn't be 14

[vital steeple]

https://thunderstore.io/package/download/Zaggy1024/OpenBodyCams/2.0.2/
should be downloadable now if this link works for you

[keen igloo]

yes

[dense dune]

Tbf the mod causing you desyncs coule be a mod I have never tried

[keen igloo]

i have the upgrade ya just got

[dense dune]

You're not using ShipLobby or LateCompany are you?

[vital steeple]

once this update goes out, you should be able to load up to the save again and your crew should see it now

[keen igloo]

no no

my crew can see it

I cant

as the host

[vital steeple]

[dense dune]

It's probably the same issue

It's just reversed for you

[vital steeple]

shouldn't be...

[dense dune]

I don't have the problem with being unable to see the cam as host on my side

[vital steeple]

sure, send a code, I'll look and see if I can reproduce @keen igloo

[keen igloo]

r2modman is the slowest mod manager ever hold on

[vital steeple]

no worries

[keen igloo]

018f69ca-5e89-2af2-0862-6844ea4f7ab5

the config in openbodycams should be set to 14

yet they can see it i cant

no shot

no shot.

Turning the thing off and on fixed it.

Quite literally turning the monitors off and on again fixed the issue

you cant make this shit up 💀

tho like yall having the code is good for seeing if any of the mods i have are fucked up or somn dont judge me for the suits

[dense dune]

It should still be visible without needing to do that

You don't have a camera set up on 14 in GI's config do you?

[keen igloo]

i do

[dense dune]

Could be the 2 are trying to overlap each other

[keen igloo]

what 2

i dont have anything else on 14

[dense dune]

Make sure that's None in GeneralImprovements' actual config

[keen igloo]

yup thats set to none

[tardy salmon]

Do you have additional monitors enabled?

[keen igloo]

yes

[dense dune]

He has had desyncs lately but doesn't know what mod it is

[keen igloo]

its fixed so like its fine mightve just been a specific issue idk

eh that kinda fixed itself by me getting rid of tolian's mods

[dense dune]

That's a bandaid

cus the root cause is still there

[vital steeple]

ah, I've seen that happen in my testing, sounds like maybe shaosil will need to look at his code to see if there's any reasons it might overwrite my material still

but he's reworking the code he uses to set things up, so that might just stop happening, idk

[keen igloo]

honestly

[dense dune]

Gdi Shaosil lol

[keen igloo]

it might just be cause it was off prior before the update cause we're using the same save before and after the update

so maybe turning it on and off just refreshed it

off as in not working

[dense dune]

Maybe

[keen igloo]

abyways the only real issue i have currently is just somn with toomanysuits, this is probably the cleanest session we've had in a while

[dense dune]

I also would regen the config personally and set stuff back up how you had it

Honestly

[keen igloo]

lunx ive spent too long configuring this game lol

its fine.

[dense dune]

replace TooManySuits with SuitsTerminal

I had issues with that one too

[keen igloo]

noted then

but yeah no yhe longer i have to configure instead of playing the more i dont get to play so its tiring

[vital steeple]

when I was testing with GI, I found that the material overwriting happened intermittently, was that the case for you?

[keen igloo]

no clue

[vital steeple]

hmm? how many times did you load in?

[primal tendon]

tf toomanysuits do

[keen igloo]

once before update once after

sorry im no help here im in the middle of a session rn and wanna focus on that

[keen igloo]

adds pages to the suit rack so they dont go over the rack

[primal tendon]

meant the issue with it mb

[vital steeple]

understoodable

at least it has a workaround I suppose

afaik the issue is nothing new, hopefully it hasn't worsened somehow though

[keen igloo]

issue where inconsistently my crew cant flip the pages

[vital steeple]

it wouldn't surprise me, GI compat is a bit screwy atm

[keen igloo]

like sometimes they can sometimes they cant and everytime we close and reopen it changes who can and cant but sometimes it doesnt

[vital steeple]

damn this pack is consuming what little is left of my ram

🐌

[dense dune]

Is he not using faster load?

[vital steeple]

well it doesn't matter when I'm loading it fresh

I don't use that anyways, I don't have massive content mods normally

(plus the storage space that takes up isn't really worth it to me)

also, I don't know that that would affect the ram usage

[keen igloo]

should i get faster load

[dense dune]

Fair

I cut my pack down by over 200 mb recently by swapping from BadAssCompany back to TooManyEmotes

[keen igloo]

i like having both cause its funny

[vital steeple]

hopefully TooManyEmotes is stable by now, the last 10 times I tried it it was kinda busted lol

[dense dune]

Yeahhh

[vital steeple]

can't reproduce the body cam not showing, just tried buying it and then loading into the save and neither had issues

[keen igloo]

buying it???

[vital steeple]

I thought you said you had the upgrade

[keen igloo]

misunderstanding on my part

[vital steeple]

maybe you had mismatched configs then

[keen igloo]

shouldnt be

we all have the same config they have the code

[dense dune]

Maybe caching issue

R2 caching different versions

This is why I suggest clearing cache after updating mods

[keen igloo]

r2modman can suck my nuts istg

[vital steeple]

not sure what happened there if it wasn't a config mismatch, but I'd recommend swapping over to OpenBodyCams 2.0.2 whenever you see it

[keen igloo]

kk

[keen igloo]

okay so bad news

stopped working again

now both me and the crew cant see it

turning it off and on dont work

we have it updated ofc

018f6a19-e276-10f6-6de1-56ef843ae7ef

new code

all configs are synched

all mods are the same

set to none in generalimprovement config and set to 14 in the openbody cam config

im very bug prone as it turns out

[dense dune]

Make sure DisableWhileTargetIsOnShip is set to false

It doesn't work currently with BetterMonitors and will disable the Body Cam

[vital steeple]

with 2.0.2? did you either buy the ship upgrade or disable it in the config?

[keen igloo]

it is

[dense dune]

Oh yeah you may have the ship upgrade option toggled to true

[keen igloo]

ahhh yeah i i see that now

my bad

sorry im dumb and also stressed lmaooo

[vital steeple]

all good

[inland cipher]

i was curious and wanted to see if i could reproduce myself what was happening before he realized what happened. this code is eating up my ram tho and it constantly climbs??

is this pack performant for you jester?

[vital steeple]

oh wow

I didn't expect it to be a leak, I just noticed it had some sizeable content mods

[inland cipher]

yeaa and i wouldnt even know how to narrow it down or diagnose it lmao

[vital steeple]

the "easy" way is using the editor's memory profiler, but that takes a fair amount of setup even if you can do it without a rip project, which I'm not sure about

probably would be less work to just do a binary search for the culprit

[inland cipher]

yeah the second way is what i was leaning toward, but its not my pack so i dont really care enough, something to look at tho jester

[keen igloo]

it uh it works lets say

[keen igloo]

i have no idea what either of those things are so like

idk

i just live with the pain

[inland cipher]

just disable half mods, see if u still get the leak, if you do, the culprit is in that half. if not, its in the other half. then just keep doing that with each half

[keen igloo]

idk how to even see if it leaks

i havent had any issues

[keen igloo]

plus no thanks lmaooo

ive done that too many times

and at this point im building a house of cards on a ticking time bomb

[inland cipher]

just watch your ram hahha, the code uses all my ram and constantly climbs

[inland cipher]

hmm ok interesting its not actually your code. but perhaps a conflict with imperium? on my code imperium is fine. but on your pack installing imperium causes ram to leak so not sure whats going on there.

[dense dune]

Ummmm lol

[inland cipher]

anyway a bit off topic for this thread so ill end it there o7

[dense dune]

@vital steeple I think your patch for ModelReplacementAPI is brokey

lol

[distant leaf]

Is that PepsiMan?👀 😂

[dense dune]

Yes lol

[distant leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/pepsi-man-dance-gif-8744210

[distant leaf]

From what?! XD

Like what adds that?😂

[dense dune]

Okay it isn't OpenBodyCams

[compact plaza]

instead of cube we have pepsi man

[dense dune]

Wtf is breaking ModelReplacmentAPI XD

[distant leaf]

Oh is it a model replacement? lol

[dense dune]

Yes lol

It was LethalPipeRemoval that broke it, if you disable the door monitor it breaks it

😂

Wtf man

[vital steeple]

yea I was about to say, my patch isn't a transpiler, you would see OpenBodyCams in there

[dense dune]

Yeah XD

[tardy salmon]

This will probably fix that

[dense dune]

I was using that version

LOL

[tardy salmon]

oh

[vital steeple]

wat.......

why is it destroying the door screen in the first place, just deactivate it........

people are way too trigger happy with destroying vanilla assets

[dense dune]

Yeah maybe you can add an option to OBC for that

I just wanted to disable it

lol

[vital steeple]

https://github.com/d-rafferty/lethal-tube-removal/blob/main/Patches/TubeRemovalPatch.cs#L58-L91

good lord

[vital steeple]

I could maybe

it's a bit silly to destroy the exterior camera when it can still be displayed on the monitors lmao

[dense dune]

Ye XD

[vital steeple]

destroying random crap in the ship is really asking for trouble

especially doing it in StartOfRound.Start(), since that'll happen after things have gotten references to the objects

in some cases anyway

bruh

in fact it almost would have caused an error in OpenBodyCams, they're lucky I was checking whether the door screen was in use in the latest initialization method I have

[dusty path]

openbodycams no longer working for me after most recent update

[vital steeple]

is it because you have its ship upgrade enabled?

I would recommend checking the changelog

[dusty path]

purchasing the upgrade did not work as intended

[vital steeple]

interesting, could you send a profile code then?

by "as intended", I assume you mean that it didn't start displaying the body cams on the monitor

did the prop spawn on the ship?

[dusty path]

that's correct

[dusty path]

no

[vital steeple]

log files may indicate the issue then

[dense dune]

So the Body Cam became a green screen for me and won't work anymore

[vital steeple]

logs?

[dusty path]

Im currently having to figure out a few other errors for my list because of other mods that updated as well, Im thinking its possible something else could be breaking it

[dense dune]

Also tried turning the monitors off and back on

Didn't work

[vital steeple]

was the body cam working at any point?

[dusty path]

not for me no

[dense dune]

Yeah

It broke on the 2nd game in

[vital steeple]

second day?

[dense dune]

Yeah

[vital steeple]

were you joining someone or were you host?

[dusty path]

I was the host

[vital steeple]

could you get me a profile code to test with?

I don't see any errors in there that seem suspicious

[serene hawk]

The newest update seems to break the terminalsuits mod that allows you to store suits in terminal

[dusty path]

sure can

[vital steeple]

oh? how so?

that seems strange

[tardy salmon]

Internal Cam doesn't get turned off

[vital steeple]

what are your [Ship] config options set to?

[vital steeple]

gotcha, then that's not a bug

[tardy salmon]

How do I make it turn off then?

[dusty path]

018f6aab-d208-634a-7692-4136cb7cdde3

[vital steeple]

do you want it permanently off or only when the screens turn off?

[tardy salmon]

Just when the screens are off

[vital steeple]

if the latter, use GeneralImprovements, that's not a thing in vanilla

I don't really plan on taking over all the monitors like GeneralImprovements does

[tardy salmon]

Well when I put Internal Camera on that monitor in GI it doesn't show up

[vital steeple]

that's curious, but I'm guessing that that happens regardless of whether OpenBodyCams is installed, so you're gonna have to take that over to Shaosil

[dusty path]

there a few other issues that are happening in my list not related to your mod

[vital steeple]

downloading it now, I'll let you know if I can repro

[dusty path]

sounds good 👌

[vital steeple]

is this intended?

[vital steeple]

prop spawned and when I set DisableCameraWhileTargetIsOnShip=false, it displays the bodycam on the monitor

[dusty path]

hmm, guess its something on my end then, I had that config set to that awhile ago for compatibility with budapest and never readjusted it after removing it

I wonder if something is broken in my config?

I don't seem to have any duplicate or old config files for this hmm

[vital steeple]

if an option doesn't show up in LethalConfig or doesn't have a description in the config file, then it's not in use, so don't worry about ghost options

if EnableCamera is true and DisableCameraWhileTargetIsOnShip is false, and you've bought and can see the prop, I would expect it to work, at the very least for the host

and if the prop isn't working... it's a little suspicious, maybe something is up with the asset

maybe I should try restarting with the cached bundles from faster load

your log does claim that it loaded the assets and registered the upgrade, though

yeah it worked fine on second boot

@dense dune could you also send a profile code so I can test your third day obc break?

you were the host, right?

[dense dune]

Yeah

[vital steeple]

hopefully that'll mean I can repro without spinning up two instances of the game

[dense dune]

018f6a88-6af6-93de-34d5-a4b23f55c53c This is the one where it broke, if you want the unupdated mods

[vital steeple]

sure, sounds good

wow, that's impressive, your pack managed to break UnityExplorer

hoping the issue is what Shaosil was talking about in the GI thread, because I wasn't able to reproduce it with your code on my end

[dense dune]

Wow lol how?

[vital steeple]

idk, somehow its method for enumerating the loaded classes got a null deref

very bizarre

[dense dune]

We also had the save die and people started being unable to rejoin after landing on Transmission twice

Gonna assume it's that moon somehow

[dense dune]

018f6af8-6ad1-9bbe-963e-97033014e910 @vital steeple this is the current code we're using, see if it UnityExplorer crashes with it lol

[vital steeple]

will check in a bit

it wasn't a huge deal, the scene hierarchy worked at least

are you downgrading GI? I'm curious if that'll resolve your issue with the body cams breaking

[vital steeple]

yea not seeing it now

[dense dune]

Yeah so it was probably Transmission or FacilityMeltdown

@quiet summit if it was your moon I very much hope you manage to figure out what caused the problems v.v I wanna guess a corrupted asset somehow

[quiet summit]

uuuuuhhh

i can try to mess with it and see if i can diagnose anything, i dont see how itd be related but i may as well give it a shot

itll be a little bit though

[dusty path]

just out of curiosity, does the error that spams at the end of the log have anything to do with openbodycams?

screen would freeze in place, but I could still interact with things ingame

its happened multiple times to me now

[vital steeple]

it would, yeah

lemme look into it

any idea what happened around the time it started?

[dusty path]

I usually play with outplayed, just cutting the video around the part it happened at

[vital steeple]

oh sweet

I don't mind if it's long

[quiet summit]

interesting i launched lethal company with transmission and its dependencies as well as obc and the camera isnt there, removed transmission and its still not there

[vital steeple]

hmm, I wonder if it could be some intermittent thing

it's very possible that some mod doing something asynchronously screwed it up

[quiet summit]

yeah, it could be one of the dependencies

ill try launching with only obc

[vital steeple]

there's a few mods in Lunxara's pack that do things off the main thread that they potentially should not be doing

(idk if you saw, but it was some error that occurred when UnityExplorer was loading up after the chainloader finished)

[dusty path]

it was just me typing in discord on another monitor and swapping back

[quiet summit]

is that a me issue?

[quiet summit]

works now

seems like its one of the dependencies of transmission and not the moon itself

possibly just LLL as a whole

[vital steeple]

Lunxara seemed to think so, I'm not sure

[quiet summit]

the only errors i get from transmission are some of the models not having read/write access but thats like whatever

[vital steeple]

was this after loading into a game? was it a fresh save? it would only cause that issue when you're looking towards the body cam monitor, so the lead-up to that is the important thing

[dusty path]

fresh save yes

its me trying to debug all the issues im having with latest mod updates haha

I had the upgrade disabled as well in config so it should be active from start

[quiet summit]

im just gonna kinda call it as there isnt really anything else i can do :p

[vital steeple]

yeah no worries on that

[dusty path]

well let me double check the video

was not a fresh save I did enter 1 moon and die in scarletdevilmansion first

monitor was visible first time

however the screen in the video at launch was not showing bodycam

[knotty pelican]

is there a way to do this with UseBetterMonitors Zaggy? Or is that something GI would have to handle on its side?

[vital steeple]

waiting for GI's API to be live and stable, I was going to have it work with that feature initially but then Shaosil changed a field type that I was using

I don't want to start using reflection to support three different versions of his mod lol

[knotty pelican]

understandable 🙃

excellent update, fwiw

love the little upgrade doodad

[vital steeple]

tyty!

[vital steeple]

wait, body cam wasn't visible at first, is that with DisableCameraWhileTargetIsOnShip=true?

[dusty path]

let me double check

yes it was set to true

[vital steeple]

interesting..

oh, after dying and respawning, too

will give that a spin

[dusty path]

do you need the code again? I reverted GI back to its prior version

[vital steeple]

nah, I'm gonna try and repro without that and then if I can't figure out how that thing was null I'll just kinda bandaid it

not a bad bandaid really

[dusty path]

sounds good 👍

[vital steeple]

found the issue, it was a dumb mistake but an easy fix lol

[dense dune]

Can you list them for me?

;o

[vital steeple]

well

I don't really want to get into that again

[dense dune]

I've been trying to remove mods that might cause issues tbh

[vital steeple]

if it doesn't cause problems for you then it's not an issue

[dense dune]

Got it

[vital steeple]

it's mainly tricky because UnityExplorer probably wants to touch a fair amount of things after the chainloader finishes, and I think some mods are doing things after that

[dense dune]

Ahhhh 🤔

[vital steeple]

but that is Just A Guess ™️

[vital steeple]

@dusty path uploaded version 2.0.3 with a fix for the issue you were encountering

(it's much less likely to happen if you have multiple players in the lobby I think, but definitely a bit of a silly mistake on my part)

also killed a few other bugs while I was at it:

Version 2.0.3

• Prevented error spam that would occur when a body cam switches from targeting a solo player to targeting nothing.
• Fixed a long-standing issue where the body cam would not switch back on if it was targeting a dead player with no corpse while players respawned.
• Fixed invalid targets sometimes displaying on the body cam after the 2.0.0 update.
• The EnableCamera option will now only act on the main body cam, and not any body cams created by API users.

[dusty path]

hey thanks, awesome work!

[uncut ridge]

is this something or nah?

[vital steeple]

that's definitely a little strange

it'll break the terminal body cam for darmuh's mod, I'll look into why that's happening

[vital steeple]

just to make sure, this was with 2.0.3?

[uncut ridge]

yep

[vital steeple]

oh no lmao

it's because I forgot to remove some debug code

will update in a moment, I have another fix I'm putting out with this

I blame VS for not renaming a field properly

A fix is going out as 2.0.4 now

[meager shore]

@vital steeple I think the monitors 1.2.7, while having a couple minor bugs, may not be as unstable as we thought.

The reason people are seeing a blank screen with OBC now seems to only happen when it's a buyable ship upgrade (which is the default). It uses a blank screen texture before purchased instead of whatever may be assigned in GI's config

[uncut ridge]

cant clear the map monitor with view bodycam command. it stays there even exiting the terminal

other commands are working fine

[vital steeple]

huh, that seems really weird to have broken, I'll take a look

[vital steeple]

and this too lol, I tested with TerminalStuff last night

if you are using the view bodycams command though, that's with TwoRadarMaps I assume?

@meager shore just booted up with UseBetterMonitors=true and AddMoreBetterMonitors=true, and ShipUpgrade.Enabled=true and it used the black screen texture

could you maybe send your GI and OBC configs where you see the issue?

perhaps even a whole profile code, I wonder if it's load order dependent

[vital steeple]

the map command and the view monitor command are not the same, that's probably to be expected when you mix commands from darmuhsTerminalStuff and vanilla ones

view bodycam is only supposed to open the vanilla map view when it is not open, then open the body cam picture-in-picture on top of it. When you enter it again, it's only supposed to hide the picture-in-picture. That is intended. I would hope that typing view monitor would hide the map monitor, but given that darmuhsTerminalStuff implements their own version of that command with its own map overlay, I would imagine that wouldn't work. I would recommend disabling the view bodycam command.

darmuhsTerminalStuff has support for OpenBodyCams and TwoRadarMaps out of the box, which that error you posted would interfere with, so I'll look into that, but if the integration was working, the minicams command would be equivalent to view bodycam

@uncut ridge I also can't reproduce the error with OpenBodyCams and darmuhsTerminalStuff, can you provide a full log and profile code?

(the error you posted looks like it would have had to be preceded by some other more serious error)

[meager shore]

Yeah that's the same behavior I'm seeing, I just mean that a lot of people seem confused when it's a black screen after the ship upgrade update and thought the monitor was broken lol

I wonder if you could use the AssignedMaterial instead of a black screen if one exists. But it's not a big deal as long as people understand what's going on

[vital steeple]

yeah, I intended to use that before the change to the field, but now that the API exists I should be able to fix that

I thought that you said that it was a white material though? I guess this was because of your issue with the background enabled on all screens?

as far as the confusion, yeah, that's entirely my bad, but hopefully it's alleviated a bit now since I added a tip that pops up upon first load-in of 2.0.4 that tells people about the new default

[meager shore]

That was exactly it. There's a couple bugs that remain but they seem to have been around for a couple versions, thankfully

[vital steeple]

looks like the API is working well, I should be able to release it in like an hour, just gotta test whether it still falls back to the old method properly

[meager shore]

Awesome

And uh, yeah I can't even remember why I had everything doing late initialization in Start()... I bet I had thought it was like Destroy() where things happened at end of frame or something

[vital steeple]

yeah, I'm glad it turned out to be nothing, it's much simpler to do things immediately for both of us I think

[hot pebble]

hey I can't get the camera to show up on the monitor. It just shows the external camera. I have GeneralImprovements' extra monitors on, if that breaks it. I have it purchased.

[vital steeple]

hmm, could you send a profile code? I believe that should work

[hot pebble]

I apologize in advance for all the custom moons xD
018f6ee5-2262-8413-a1d2-918837fb0b56

[dusty path]

latest GI okay to update to now?

[vital steeple]

if you don't use the background on all monitors, I think so

better to ask people that tend to use the better monitors option though

[dusty path]

I'm running mainly vanilla monitors with Gi anyways so it sounds like its fine then to me

[drowsy ridge]

I had the same problem, but in the end it was an openbodycams update in which i had to buy an upgrade in the terminal for this

[hot pebble]

yeah I turned that back on and purchased the upgrade and it still didn't work

[vital steeple]

hopefully it gave you the tip about the change if you had 2.0.4 installed

sorry for the inconvenience though

[hot pebble]

let me know if this breaks your bodycam because I am updated to the most recent GI update

[dusty path]

I immediately crashed at startup with latest gi lol

guess Im going back down again

[vital steeple]

that is definitely not normally

[dusty path]

I dont see any errors either at the end of the log from it so I dunno how to troubleshoot it

[dense dune]

I haven't had this issue

I think it wasn't GI but just the game crashing

Every once in a while the game crashes on boot

If you repro it

[dusty path]

okay thats fair, I've tried loading into it with GI updated and havent managed to get into game once yet

[dense dune]

I would try clearing mod cache lol

[dusty path]

loaded in fine with version prior

[Info   : Unity Log] Aub Piggy-back ran on scene (InitSceneLaunchOptions), RoundManager not found
[Info   : Unity Log] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[Warning: Unity Log] DontDestroyOnLoad only works for root GameObjects or components on root GameObjects.
[Debug  :BepInExFasterLoadAssetBundlesPatcher] Assetbundle "ainavt_lethalconfig" is already uncompressed, adding to ignore list
[Info   :GeneralImprovements] Automatically launching ONLINE mode.
[Debug  :me.loaforc.soundapi] Canvas:SelectAudio:ButtonPress1 == *:SelectAudio:ButtonPress1?
[Info   : Unity Log] Saving changed settings
[Debug  :BepInExFasterLoadAssetBundlesPatcher] Assetbundle "baddassaudio" is already uncompressed, adding to ignore list
[Info   : Unity Log] subcribing to steam callbacks
[Info   : Unity Log] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[Info   : Unity Log] Aub Piggy-back ran on scene (InitScene), RoundManager not found
[Info   : Unity Log] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -``` seems to always get caught at (InitScene) each time it crashes

[dense dune]

Hmmmmm

The heck is Aub Piggy-back?

I don't think I have ever seen my game log this

[vital steeple]

it's another mod API

used for an enemy mod iirc

[dense dune]

Ahhhhh

[vital steeple]

the mech thing I think?

[dense dune]

So maybe the new version of GI is conflicting somehow?

[dusty path]

hmm I have installed diversity recently, its never worked for me prior so Ill take a guess and say its something to do with it again

[dense dune]

Nah wouldn't be Diversity that uses that

[dusty path]

sentinel?

[vital steeple]

yeah that

[dusty path]

ill disable and see

[vital steeple]

I doubt it's the issue

worth a try though

[dense dune]

The only thing broken with Diversity is the personal space

Like it got

"Fixed"

But sometimes when the Bracken tries to kill someone it fails to send the player to the personal space and they become immortal

and my god does the game lag from it

[dusty path]

its ironic that immortality bugs in games almost always either stem from terrible lag or cause awful lag

[dense dune]

It probably lags due to the script for the personal space throwing a fit if I had to guess

[dusty path]

"all this power, but I cant use it"

[dusty path]

disabling sentinel and its AubPiggybackAPI seems to have fixed the crash from updated GI, guess Ill mention it over there

[vital steeple]

are you sure it's not an intermittent crash though?

[dusty path]

i tried launching a good handful of times with only one getting through to menu before crashing when loading into a fresh save

[vital steeple]

gotcha, that's odd

[dense dune]

Happy to see this error get fixed, I think I noticed it a few times in the logs but it never broke anything so I just ignored it lol

[vital steeple]

yeah, it wasn't a big deal but I saw it while I was testing and was very confused

I think GI monitors very occasionally caused my callback to be called early somehow

[meager shore]

It's always my stuff somehow 😂

[dense dune]

I mean your mod is huge

😂

[vital steeple]

did you test body cams with something outside the ship? you appear to have DisableCameraWhileTargetIsOnShip enabled

it switches on correctly if I place radar boosters outside the ship

(side note, you have a lot of mods installed that don't appear to be happy with v50 or perhaps some dependency's changes, you might want to look at your logs for exceptions)

[uncut ridge]

profile code : 018f6f39-32ed-991a-e632-23b51aa621d8

i tried with view monitor not map this time

[uncut ridge]

i got the map removed by the lol command from darmuh but this happens XD

[vital steeple]

ah, then maybe TerminalStuff overrides what view monitor does

not sure why the minicams command isn't working, maybe you have it disabled somehow?

[vital steeple]

I'm not surprised lol

TerminalStuff changes a lot of how the terminal displays things, it's really just not compatible with my picture-in-picture command

you have to use its commands for the body cams

[uncut ridge]

spelling sensitive i typed it minicam so it didnt register

[vital steeple]

huh, I wouldn't have expected that to matter unless TerminalStuff makes it more picky

does minicams work for you, then?

[uncut ridge]

yep i tried after recording it works

[vital steeple]

good good

something might still be broken even with that command though, given that you're getting an error when it tries to set up that body cam

not sure why that's happening, I hope I can reproduce it here if I try the new code

not seeing anything suspicious in thel ogs

[uncut ridge]

i got the error when starting a new lobby

[vital steeple]

new lobby as in creating a new save? lemme try that

[uncut ridge]

oh i have yet to use two radar maps

[uncut ridge]

yep

[vital steeple]

ah, got it here

I just realized, this is a different error than the one I was looking at before I think

surprisingly, the error doesn't seem to affect the functionality, which doesn't really seem to make a whole lot of sense to me

but good if it doesn't

[serene hawk]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
suitsTerminal.PictureInPicture.TogglePiP (System.Boolean state) (at <80e6b80198d643b592096e6fd3b162b1>:IL_0025)
suitsTerminal.AdvancedMenu+<ActiveMenu>d__44.MoveNext () (at <80e6b80198d643b592096e6fd3b162b1>:IL_0095)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
suitsTerminal.CommandHandler:AdvancedSuitsTerm(String&)
suitsTerminal.<>c__DisplayClass15_0:<AddCommand>b__0()
TerminalApi.Events.Events:ParsePlayerSentence(Terminal&, TerminalNode)
Terminal:DMDTerminal::ParsePlayerSentence(Terminal)
Terminal:DMDTerminal::OnSubmit(Terminal)
UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent`1:Invoke(String)
TMPro.TMP_InputField:SendOnEndEdit()
TMPro.TMP_InputField:ReleaseSelection()
TMPro.TMP_InputField:DeactivateInputField(Boolean)
TMPro.TMP_InputField:OnUpdateSelected(BaseEventData)
UnityEngine.EventSystems.EventSystem:Update()

Still breaking suitterminals will new update

heres the code

018f6f68-6121-2e24-ff07-36f4bcbb1d6b

any advice is appreciated!

[vital steeple]

could you send full logs?

@uncut ridge I noticed you have a mod called "LessLogs", I would recommend not having that or any similar mods enabled if you are collecting logs for an issue in the future

it removes a lot of information from the logs by default, when it's usually some very particular mods that spam the logs

[uncut ridge]

i see i'll remove it next time

[vital steeple]

@serene hawk can't reproduce the issue with your profile code, I'm gonna need full logs

if this is happening on a particular save and doesn't occur with a fresh save, I will probably need that save as well

[hot pebble]

that was absolutely the problem 🤦‍♂️ thank you!!

[vital steeple]

no problem!

[vital steeple]

@uncut ridge pushing 2.0.6 which fixes that error with darmuhsTerminalStuff. Sorry about the delay, I was hoping to hear more about that other issue so I could hit that at the same time

been spamming updates since 2.0.0, hopefully there'll stop being tiny issues like that so I can stop lol

[uncut ridge]

hope you got rest after XD

[vital steeple]

oh don't worry, I'll be fine lol

[uncut ridge]

something when i add two radar maps. when starting a new save the monitor is disabled(?) and landing fixes it

is that intentional?

[dense dune]

That bug doesn't happen for me

You have something conflicting lol

[uncut ridge]

logs

Profile code : 018f7150-8af8-adbe-2639-dc66807cbfee

dont have an idea whats conflicting XD

[hardy hemlock]

i have the same issue

[dense dune]

Hmmmm, maybe Bracken personal space if you use Diversity?

[uncut ridge]

i have diversity but i have it disabled

[dense dune]

Hmmmm

[vital steeple]

I'll try and look at this in a bit or after I sleep

definitely not intended, hopefully something is in the logs when I get to look at that

[serene hawk]

Ok I’ll get full logs. And you know what I didn’t try a fresh save yet maybe that is it

[vital steeple]

looks like it's ImmersiveCompany screwing with the radar map's near clip plane and canvas plane distance

for some reason, they're setting that even when the map is in override mode to display the moon information

I'll try making a patch for it so that it stops setting the plane distance for the main map when the terminal tries to focus on a position

that may fix it

their radar booster patch will break the terminal map zoom functionality though

[vital steeple]

It's worth noting that their patch is also the reason you can't see into the ship on the map:

I got it working though

it's funny, I had forgotten I had a patch for this already for EnhancedRadarBooster, it looks like those two mods do almost exactly the same thing to the radar booster

at least with regard to zoom

the TwoRadarMaps+ImmersiveCompany radar booster overhaul fix has been uploaded as 1.3.8

[uncut ridge]

yippie!!

[vital steeple]

(I did make the zoom command work and override those two mods' radar booster FOV increase, not ideal but at least they're not preventing my stuff from working anymore)

[serene hawk]

Here is a log with me starting a round on an existing profile and then a new file. I wonder if it has anything to do with both suits terminal and body cams having a message pop up to notify that is a conflict? I have no modding experience though lol

holy shit i just tried disabling the popup and i think that was it

[vital steeple]

what popup?

[serene hawk]

doesnt bodycams also have a banner that notifies the player the upgrade is in the store now?'

suitsterminal has one too and i disabled that

[vital steeple]

it does, yeah

it's only supposed to display once, though, I wonder if your config is set to read-only or something?

it's supposed to modify the Debug.LastConfigVersion to be the version that you launched with, so unless you're constantly resetting the config file, it seems like something is interfering with it writing the config

it seems as though that's working on my copy of your profile, so I have no idea why it wouldn't be doing it for you

[serene hawk]

wait a minute, its not that. Its when I disable it as an upgrade. If i keep it as an upgrade, it works. When I disable it as an upgrade, it breaks suitsterminal. Just retried it

you're right, the banner has nothing to do with it

[vital steeple]

disable the OpenBodyCams upgrade?

[serene hawk]

yeah

[vital steeple]

lemme try that

[serene hawk]

and thats on my existing save file

[vital steeple]

can you check if the config version is saving properly?

[serene hawk]

last config version is reading 2.0.6

[vital steeple]

good good

what exactly do you do to get the issue to happen?

I have the ship upgrade disabled in OpenBodyCams, I entered the game and typed suits in the terminal, and everything seems fine

[serene hawk]

So if the upgrade is disabled and I load the save the suits chat message doesnt appear and the bunkbed and file cabinet spawn back out of storage. do you think it is because i have the brute force prevent crash enabled too?

[vital steeple]

doubtful

I think you're gonna need to send over your save, I'm not seeing any of this

I see the chat message, I see the tip, and no errors occur when viewing the suits

[serene hawk]

yeah youre right, disabling the brute force config didnt change the results

[vital steeple]

although if you've changed the config several times since the last profile code, updating that may help too

idk if you changed anything other than the ship upgrade

[serene hawk]

ok i sent over the save file. and ill get the most recent code too

018f726f-4d48-6e7f-926e-7ca7546221a0

[vital steeple]

looks like it was caused by some duplicate unlockables, and I don't think it's at all related to OpenBodyCams since it occurs regardless of whether I have the upgrade enabled or not

[serene hawk]

is an unlockable like a store item? or is that LGU

[vital steeple]

do you mean the OpenBodyCams feature? it's not integrated into LGU, it uses LethalLib to register it as a normal upgrade like the signal translator

if you're wondering about the colliding unlockables, https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1210303734618390579

[serene hawk]

I just meant what it is refering to when it says unlockable

ohhh ok ill check there. thanks for all your help!

[vital steeple]

that not only includes the UPGRADES: section in the terminal, but also furniture and suits

[errant fulcrum]

Not sure what is conflicting, but I had to disable TwoRadarMaps to fix this overlapping text

018f799d-d04a-b7e1-de00-0d33353d708e

[dense dune]

It's a bug with Diversity

Disable Bracken Personal Space

[errant fulcrum]

Awesome, let me try it

[errant fulcrum]

Thank you very much, this fixes it

[dense dune]

👍

[fallow anchor]

Thank you for the bodycam via terminal, lets me see silly stuff like this

[vital steeple]

lmao hell yeah

always makes me happy to see fun stuff like this

[formal sinew]

he just wanted to take the elevator like everyone else 🥺

[dusty path]

he lives there yall just kicked him out of his own homes elevator

didn't you see his impressive strut? his masculine gait? his confidence in clicking the button? he's easily been in that elevator hundreds of times

[rancid veldt]

Hi there! I noticed my console is throwing quite a lot of OBC related warnings during launch - is this safe/ fixable/ may it have any consequences? ^^"

[vital steeple]

looks kinda like some mod is being nosy and getting all the types contained by my mod assembly

that's something that AdvancedCompany did for example

I don't think it should matter if they are actually handling the error, but there's no guarantee that that's the case

doing that should be a last resort anyway

however, I wonder if you're not getting the BepInEx messages about it awaking the plugins, I would have expected to see one or two in that log

(even though I presume it is only a small portion)

[rancid veldt]

I'm not using AdvancedCompany, maybe it's something else. I remember OBC hadn't been working for me at all for a while in v50.
Would sharing the whole log help you to potentially pinpoint the issue, or would sharing the profile code we're using be more helpful?

There's a lot going on, I'm aware, but I'm slowly getting to a "stable" modpack - until v51 at least 😉

[torpid spruce]

@vital steeple Used this mod

Delete door monitor，Can cause problems with monitoring

[vital steeple]

profile code would be more helpful, then I can hopefully find out which mod is loading when that prints

[vital steeple]

I'll see what I can do, but that mod is likely to cause problems for a lot of other mods so I would recommend not using it

if it deactivated things on the ship instead of destroying them, it would be a lot less likely to cause mods to explode

[rancid veldt]

Definitely! I wouldn't go as far as not using the mod - I'd just recommend being cautious.
you touch the teleport buttons - it's probably going to affect mods related to teleportation
you hide the rack with the suits - lots of other suit-visuals mod break.
And, quite naturally, if you -delete- the door monitor, everything assuming it's there is going to complain 😉
Besides, W1nter, just applying a bit of common sense you can benefit from the mod - you may have to do a bit of testing and stick with the working config

[vital steeple]

yeah

I think I had tested that mod against OpenBodyCams before and it worked, but I may be wrong

however, it's likely to also break GeneralImprovements as well, even if I get it working on my side

[rancid veldt]

There you go: 018f8407-6a4a-4718-832a-875eec5603a3
Please don't get scared - I'm aware there's lots going on (even GI, OBC and LethalPipeRemoval kinda not interfering with each other since we've just mentioned those).
A few mods got updated in the meanwhile but I need to check what they do before updating them ^^
(yes, there are other issues that I'm tackling but shouldn't be relevant to those warnings)

[torpid spruce]

[crude parrot]

ran into a weird bug where a snare flea latched both my head and someone else's head at the same time

i was taking damage and dropped all my items but i whacked the snare flea off of their head

and then for the rest of the round my voice was muffled

anyways

the actual part relevant to OpenBodyCams

is that for the rest of the round

anytime anybody entered the ship

their game froze with this error spamming in console

probably an infinite loop somewhere

eventually i froze too and had to rehost

i assume it was just freezing on ship entry since that was what causes the camera to render

[vital steeple]

nah not an infinite loop

will look at that, sounds very odd

wouldn't surprise me if I don't account for them clinging to multiple people lmao

considering that makes zero sense

but code being code, I'm sure that something stupid like that can happen

[vital steeple]

hmm, was hoping that disabling some of the log-neutering mods you have would give me some indication of what mod code is running there, but it looks like it happens after the chainloader and the stack trace is incomplete somehow, so I got no clue

you'll just have to assume it's fine unless you want to do a binary search for the culprit and point me to it

it's very strange that it doesn't show up in the stack trace

and because it doesn't, there's nothing I can do to track it down really

[vital steeple]

any idea if the [0x0000e] corresponds to an IL offset in the function? I've never seen that formatting before

[crude parrot]

no clue

[vital steeple]

do you have full logs from when that happened? I suspect that either some mod changes CentipedeAI, or there was an earlier error that caused this to happen

[crude parrot]

sadly no

[vital steeple]

@torpid spruce I'll be honest, I don't really want to support LethalPipeRemoval's method of removing the door screen, not the way they're handling it. They should either destroy these things earlier so I can actually detect that they're being destroyed when I'm trying to use them (Unity deferred destruction makes this very screwy), or they should deactivate them instead of destroying them (much easier, cleaner, and less likely to break random mods that try to use things that normally exist on the ship)

I don't want to have to add a ton of null checks all over my code because someone decided Destroy() looks nicer than SetActive(false)

I'll put in a few checks that should help with the immediate issue at least, but after that I don't think I'll try to support it anymore, and there'll be no guarantee it'll work with any of the other options in that mod

[vital steeple]

@crude parrot I'm guessing your issue is probably not so easy to reproduce, so I just pushed a tentative fix to prevent it from breaking the camera, hopefully it works

It'd be nice to the actual root cause, though, because it's not good if some mod is breaking my method of tracking which centipedes are clinging to players...

[crude parrot]

maybe some weird issue with enemyskinkit since that's the only thing that would come to mind

although it's worth mentioning openbodycams was the first exception in the log

i do think it's more likely to be a vanilla issue though

my friend was about to run into a snare flea and i had a shovel so i ran into it to try and catch it first

and it grabbed both of us at once

which seems like it was just netlag

[vital steeple]

If you can keep your eye out for a message like

[Warning:OpenBodyCams]: Centipede (Clone) should be clinging to a player according to our hooks, but it is not.

that would let you know that the issue occurred again

[crude parrot]

sure

it was extremely obvious when it was occurring, in fairness, because it permamuffled my voice and i had to listen to the snare flea on loop for the entire day

[vital steeple]

when you say it grabbed both of you, do you mean that it appeared to be on your friend's head on their client and on your head on yours?

[crude parrot]

im not sure

they never said

[vital steeple]

ah wait, I think I know why it happened

[crude parrot]

on my end, the snare flea dropped all my items, started playing the local cling-to-player audio on loop, and started damaging me

but it was on my friend's head

whacking it caused it to uncling and run off and stop damaging me

but after it died the audio continued to loop and my voice was muffled for the rest of the round

my guess is that it grabbed me first, then grabbed my friend second almost immediately after, so it replaced the reference to my player script with my friend's

and so when it unclinged it only reset my friend and didn't reset my script

and then openbodycams was expecting there to still be a snare flea on my head

[vital steeple]

yeah

kinda

[dense dune]

@vital steeple Will the fix for LPR also prevent players from spawning in weird if the door screen is removed?

[vital steeple]

the centipede is what tracks what it's clinging to, and it should deal damate to whichever player it appears to be attached to

[vital steeple]

uh idk

[crude parrot]

oh weird

because on my end it was stuck to my friend but it was still damaging me

[vital steeple]

don't know what you mean by "spawning in weird", but I doubt that has anything to do with OpenBodyCams

[crude parrot]

and i think the damage is processed clientside so that's extra weird

[dense dune]

@verbal quartz looks like it's time for us to test this tomorrow XD

[vital steeple]

I thought that too, so it's still a little bit of a mystery

were you host?

[vital steeple]

feel free to test it, but unfortunately I'm not really interested in investigating it further, that mod really needs a change

[dense dune]

Yeah it does

[crude parrot]

yes, i was the host

[dense dune]

I would be happy if a mod existed to let me move the terminal starting position without the other stuff LPR has

[vital steeple]

it has options to disable most stuff, so you probably can do just that, can't you?

[dense dune]

Maybe but I mean if the mod itself needs a big change

[vital steeple]

eenteresting, not sure why you would take damage there, I would have expected you to be owner of the AI as well at that point

[dense dune]

then it's considered bloat to only do that and it might even affect game performance but idk

[vital steeple]

but I think you're right at least about it trying to cling to both of you in rapid succession

the starting of clinging is entirely client-sided, and it has no checks whether it needs to uncling before re-clinging, nor any tiebreaker

[vital steeple]

I don't think it really does anything after load-in

[torpid spruce]

@vital steeple

If it can't be fixed, you can make an enable door monitor like enable small montior.

Disabling doormonitor increases FPS

：>

[vital steeple]

I don't think that's an issue with the door monitor, are you trying to disable the internal camera with both OpenBodyCams and that mod?

[torpid spruce]

Openbodycams disable smallmonitor, delete doormonitor is pipe

Maybe you add the disable doormonitor.

[dense dune]

I think what they're asking for is an option to disable the monitor by the door since LethalPipeRemoval deleting it breaks things

So an option to just have it turned off basically rather than deleted

[torpid spruce]

Yes

：）

[dense dune]

Since it does give a performance uplift to get rid of that extra external camera

[torpid spruce]

Same as disable small monitor

[vital steeple]

I misspoke partially, but what I meant to ask was whether you have the option on to swap the internal and external cameras on the monitors at the front of the ship, as well the option to disable the small monitor

it doesn't really make sense to swap the external camera if you're destroying it as well

[torpid spruce]

I only need the body monitor

Nothing else is needed.

[vital steeple]

as it is currently, if you're not trying to disable a camera that's already been destroyed, everything should work from what I tested

[torpid spruce]

Small and door monitor are useless.

[vital steeple]

what is your Ship config category in OpenBodyCams?

[torpid spruce]

Wait for me.

I'll send it to you.

CFG for pipe and openbodycams

[vital steeple]

no need to send the whole thing, just what the two booleans in the Ship section are set to

[torpid spruce]

OpenBodyCames- DisablecameraOnSmallMonitor is true

LethalTubeRemoval.cfg-Inside ship-Deletes the monitor above the door buttons is true

[dense dune]

They're asking what this is set to as well

You keep skipping that option and not answering

[torpid spruce]

false

[dense dune]

👍

[torpid spruce]

I didn't set this.

[dense dune]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

Light theme hurts

lol

[torpid spruce]

haha：）

@vital steeple I didn't update the module just now.

It's fixed now. I'm sorry to bother you.

[vital steeple]

huh, that wasn't the same error though I think

weird

[torpid spruce]

You can add this.

[vital steeple]

not really interested in adding more things that can get broken by mods like LethalPipeRemoval lol

OpenBodyCams only messes with the front of the ship at the moment and I already have plenty of compatibility code to go around

[torpid spruce]

Okay, thx

🥰🥳🥳

[vital steeple]

I'd argue that the stuff I have added is almost out of scope already, the only reason I included it is that I have to do stuff with the camera culling at the front of the ship or else every single camera in the ship including the body cams will be rendering all the time as long as you're in the ship

[torpid spruce]

The doormonitor also renders

That's why I want to delete it.

[vital steeple]

sure, but that is only one camera rendering, and any mod that changes whether that is visible will work with my current functionality

the reason why there was a problem is because someone decided to destroy it instead of disabling it

if they want to do stuff like that, they should be ready to deal with compatibility issues, which you should be taking to them instead of me

[torpid spruce]

Yes, so I would prefer it to be disabled

[vital steeple]

OpenBodyCams is a mod to add body cams to the game, not to fix all performance issues on the ship

[dense dune]

Yeah if anything this is a feature I could see GI implementing

[torpid spruce]

All right, then.🥳

[vital steeple]

indeed, I wouldn't mind if Shaosil took care of that instead of LethalPipeRemoval lol

it definitely feels in scope for his mod

[dense dune]

Ye

[vital steeple]

or LethalPipeRemoval could just be notified that their mod is breaking other mods

[dense dune]

@meager shore maybe whenever you get around to updating GI again you could look into adding an option to disable the door monitor

c;

[torpid spruce]

Which mod is GI?

I found it.🥳

[rancid veldt]

yup, the "neutering" hasn't cut away useful debug info so far.
I guess I'm just leaving the warnings there, until I figure out which other mod is triggering them (I suppose there's at least one).
Thanks for taking the time to have a look, I greatly appreciated it! ☺️

[rancid veldt]

ugh, this confirmed my suspicions - the mod did not try to be "safe". As in, moving the object away or also disabling renderers+colliders... it does it the hard way ><
But...why? wouldn't take a lot to change that IMO - I'm not sure he's on github nor in the server.

[dense dune]

https://github.com/d-rafferty/lethal-tube-removal

[ripe jewel]

sorry if this has been asked before but is this required by everyone?

[fallen leaf]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rancid veldt]

I opened a bug/issue/request, feel free to jump in and upvote it if you feel to, so the creator is aware of how relevant this is
(sorry for the OT):
https://github.com/d-rafferty/lethal-tube-removal/issues/43

[vital steeple]

Just pushed out a small minor release that makes it so that other players' flashlights' light sources will now actually appear where they do in first person, in case anyone else has been bothered by that

not a super noticeable thing, but it does make things look a little less weird when you're watching someone explore the interior

[dense dune]

@vital steeple I'm interested if you can check if there might be a weird interaction happening between OBC and GI, cus I notice a lot of times after I get that white screen with GI that the Body cam is on the next boot after will cause a crash when pressing Online. My friends have also been getting a lot of crashes when pressing Online lately and disabling OBC seemed to resolve it 🤔

I'm guessing it's an issue that needs fixed on GI's end

[vital steeple]

can you write this as steps to reproduce the issue? it's very hard to decipher this description

also, if it's crashing to desktop, you can get a crash dump from %temp%\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\Crashes\, that may help me narrow down the cause

[dense dune]

My most recent crash, hope you can tell me the mod that is the cause

🥺

[vital steeple]

what were the circumstances around this particular crash?

[dense dune]

Usually launching the game

and pressing Online

and the game pops the crash reporter

[vital steeple]

hmm, it seems that my Windows install is so cooked that I can't even open WinDbg, so this is gonna have to wait

I love windows :)

[dense dune]

Lol ikr

[light aurora]

KERNELBASE!UnhandledExceptionFilter+0x1ec
ntdll!RtlUserThreadStart$filt$0+0xac
ntdll!_C_specific_handler+0x97
ntdll!RtlpExecuteHandlerForException+0xf
ntdll!RtlDispatchException+0x286
ntdll!KiUserExceptionDispatch+0x2e
UnityPlayer!MarkSceneRootsAndReduceLiveObjects+0x8a
UnityPlayer!GarbageCollectSharedAssets+0xd5
UnityPlayer!UnloadUnusedAssetsOperation::IntegrateMainThread+0x16
UnityPlayer!PreloadManager::UpdatePreloadingSingleStep+0x1e1
UnityPlayer!PreloadManager::WaitForAllAsyncOperationsToComplete+0xc5
UnityPlayer!PreloadManager::UpdatePreloading+0xaa
UnityPlayer!ExecutePlayerLoop+0xf7
UnityPlayer!ExecutePlayerLoop+0x284
UnityPlayer!PlayerLoop+0x263
UnityPlayer!PerformMainLoop+0x2eb
UnityPlayer!MainMessageLoop+0x14b
UnityPlayer!UnityMainImpl+0x1d7b
UnityPlayer!UnityMain+0xb
Lethal_Company!__scrt_common_main_seh+0x106

ExceptionAddress: 00007ff8c323951a (UnityPlayer!MarkSceneRootsAndReduceLiveObjects+0x000000000000008a)
   ExceptionCode: c0000005 (Access violation)
  ExceptionFlags: 00000000
NumberParameters: 2
   Parameter[0]: 0000000000000000
   Parameter[1]: 0000000000000031
Attempt to read from address 0000000000000031

Here stacktrace

[dense dune]

For some reason my friend and I finally narrowed it down, and it was Dantors Mental Hospital causing the crashes when pressing Online

Why

idk

@vital steeple If you can look into it, I do think there is an issue happening with ModelReplacementAPI compat, @verbal quartz would sometimes crash when landing the ship while wearing a model replacer, and when disabling OBC on his end since it is client sided it was fixed and he no longer crashed

[dense dune]

Btw incase you'd like to take a scan through my mod pack to see if you see any other potential problematic mods

[dense dune]

Just realized setting this to false should fix the issue of the screen sometimes turning white with GI until Shaosil gets around to fixing it, since it restores the old Pre-2.0 disabled screen, that or setting something like the External Cam to 14 I suppose with this set to true

[vital steeple]

just an update, probably gonna take a bit before I can look at that because I gotta do a bunch of PC maintenance

one of my RAM sticks is absolutely dying

I also have to reinstall Windows

[dense dune]

Yeah you're all good, for some reason it seems that setting that setting to false also resolved my friend's crashes while using a Model Replacer. Take all the time you need to get your pc all fixed and good to go again ^^

[vital steeple]

huh, that's bizarre

[dense dune]

I wanna guess it's cus it keeps the monitor overriden for some reason, maybe whatever is causing the White Screen issue sometimes it causing other weird interactions too

[vital steeple]

assuming the stack trace for all your crashes are the same, I wouldn't expect that to make a difference since it only changes one reference that the GC should care about

[dense dune]

Oh the crashes when pressing online we discovered the root cause of

For some reason that ended up being Dantors

Why I have no idea

But we went through and basically did a lot of Trial and Error to finally pin it down

[vital steeple]

would be good to grab a dump from the other crash then

I won't be able to check it for a while, but if DiFF can that would be awesome

[dense dune]

Yeah

@verbal quartz if you can get your crash dump later from when you were crashing when we were landing the ship that would be great, you may need to sort through and try to remember the time frame where it happened

[verbal quartz]

... i think it may be easier if we just reproduced it. >.<

[karmic mortar]

getting this error rn

can't switch cams at all

[vital steeple]

gonna need full logs for that

[karmic mortar]

sure enough

it fixed it when i bought the upgrade

[vital steeple]

that's very weird, I don't see any indication of how it could be having an error there

it also doesn't really make sense for buying the upgrade to fix the issue

[karmic mortar]

ye idk

whenever I would click the switch thingy or tried doing the switch command on the terminal it'd give me an error mentioning openbodycams

[vital steeple]

Could you send a profile code so I can try to repro later? Still trying to set things up on my PC but probably not too much longer before I can look

[karmic mortar]

I can send the file if you'd like!

not at my pc rn + I usually send profiles thru files

[vital steeple]

hmm, I've never used one, but hopefully that'll suffice

[dense dune]

Just wanted to let you know with the recent updates the dev changed their mod to just allow unrendering things now instead of deleting them, however I did discover a bug with 1.7.0 where unrendering that door cam caused lag so I let the dev know and they added the option to also unrender the camera that's outside of the ship cus I think the lag was caused by having both external camera screens disabled and it had nothing to render to, enabling the option to unrender the outside cam did fix the lag

https://github.com/d-rafferty/lethal-tube-removal/issues/45 That door screen is a really complicated pita XD

[vital steeple]

huh, that seems weird

it's good they changed it to use SetActive though, that should help a lot

I would've expected the external camera to remain disabled if you're running OpenBodyCams alongside that option to disable the door screen, though. OpenBodyCams is supposed to only enable it if that is visible, so if it's not vanilla logic screwing up then I'm not exactly sure what would cause that

I'm probably gonna have Windows back up and running by this weekend so maybe I can look then

is that crash when landing the ship still happening?

[dense dune]

Nope, ever since I changed that one setting to false it's been fine so I think that bug with GI where the screen would sometimes turn white hand a hand in it

It's weird setting DisplayOriginalScreenWhenDisabled to false fixed it but I'm also not complaining lol

[vital steeple]

gotcha, then hopefully that means it's reproducible once I get to this at least

I'll have to ask for that crash dump again if I can't get it to happen though

[dense dune]

It happened usually when landing on some moons for the 2nd time when they used a model replacer, I remember Infernis being one of them

[vital steeple]

any particular moons it seemed like it may have been common on? it's possible that it's just the classic shadow rendering crash

[dense dune]

Infernis was a common one, trying to think of others. If it's that I'm still unsure why changing that config option fixed it though lol

[vital steeple]

does it change whether a camera is rendered while you're landing? in other words, are you disabling the body cam when its target is on the ship?

[dense dune]

I do have that setting set to true yeah, that's also part of why I suspected a weird interaction with GI

[vital steeple]

it used to be that rendering the body cam while landing on Budapest could cause crashes, so it may be that type of thing again

I suspect it's very possible given that you say it's associated with a model replacement, since I would imagine some of those may be more graphically complex than they should be

is there a particular one that you suspect?

[dense dune]

Well the model replacer he used was the PepsiMan one lol

[vital steeple]

gotcha, then I'll have to make sure to include that one

@verbal quartz it would be helpful to know if you're able to get that crash in singleplayer as well, and if so, grab a dump while you're at it

[verbal quartz]

@ work rn

[vital steeple]

oh yeah no rush obviously

I just anticipate this being tricky to reproduce, so knowing where exactly I can get it to happen will be helpful

[tender moth]

@vital steeple
Woot

[vital steeple]

ayy, that's nice to see

Lunxara also mentioned this, I think the default is that it deactivates them?

renderer works, but collision will still be there when objects have colliders

[dense dune]

Yeah the default is that it just unrenders them rather than deletes them

[vital steeple]

oh huh

some code I saw used SetActive(false), but maybe that's for only certain things when the Renderer option is selected

[dense dune]

Maybe, before today's update it didn't have the choice between those 3 options, there was a new system used to unrender stuff or you could bool toggle the old deletion method so it got changed to allow choosing between those 3

Idk if Renderer was the default before or Inactive

Might have been Inactive based on your findings lol

[runic moat]

Open Body Cams

[serene hawk]

Has anyone had an issue with body cams and radar desync? For example, I’m spectating someone but body cam shows someone else. Could this be because of model replacement api?

[vital steeple]

I think that would be a new issue, but I wouldn't expect it would be related to ModelReplacementAPI

how often does it happen? if you can figure out how to reproduce it I can look into it

[serene hawk]

It’s tough because it only seems to happen when more than two players are playing online. I only have one spare computer so it’s tricky to reproduce. But I’ll see what I can do today!

[vital steeple]

oh also, does it resolve itself if you switch targets? normally it should set its target to what the map sees when you hit the button, so I would hope the desync doesn't stay

[formal sinew]

hey can u help me out? my game keeps crashing upon trying to load in a lobby and im getting an open body error before it crashes

its very inconsistent is the weird thing

[formal sinew]

nvm i think it was just a save that somehow got corrupted lol
maybe when i cleared my mod cache that save previously used a mod that i had gotten rid of so it corrupted or smth

[vital steeple]

huh, that seems weird

let me know if it happens again, and if you can get a crash dump file from %temp%\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\Crashes\ that might be helpful

the reason I say it's weird is, I wouldn't really expect a broken profile to manage to cause a crash, but maybe it's more likely than I think

[timber lotus]

im getting some really weird lighting bugs after I upped the resolution to 320 and set framerate to 30

[vital steeple]

That's a known issue with limiting the framerate, I haven't found a workaround for it yet

[raven arrow]

is this something i should worry about? having severe movement lag ingame and wondering if this could be the case

[steel saddle]

wesley's nightmare

[vital steeple]

that spamming is probably the cause of frame drops, yeah

it's not intended to be able to print more then once, that seems very odd

does it happen only after a certain point in the game?

[raven arrow]

im not getting frame drops and its not costant spamming, its like objects have ragged movement if that makes sense

[vital steeple]

hmm

[raven arrow]

i dont even have the camera upgrade bought and it doesnt spam it constantly yeah

[vital steeple]

not constant spamming as in it starts and stops at certain points?

[raven arrow]

and it still lags while its not spamming so probably not the issue, sorry

[vital steeple]

did you happen to have anything that's targetable by the map spawned, like a radar booster?

normally that code is only hit when the body cam is trying to target something other than a player

[raven arrow]

i dont think so no

[vital steeple]

actually, that includes player bodies so that could be when it starts if the first targeted player dies

it seems odd if that printing isn't associated with the lag spikes though

[raven arrow]

yeah double-checking rn, definetely isnt

probably something else in my pack making a mess

[vital steeple]

it's not normal from my experience for things to get destroyed off a ragdoll (if that's the cause), so something might be doing some unnecessary work sometimes that causes the spikes

I would assume it's some sort of big stutter? I wouldn't expect anything to affect input latency really

only thing I can think to check is whether the lag spike happens every time that spam from OpenBodyCams starts/stops

[raven arrow]

It's not input latency, its like the game itself is running fine but all movement is pretty much like everyhting is teleporting
im pretty sure its unrelated to openbodycams cause it definitely doesnt happen at the same time as i start lagging

[vital steeple]

oh, that's bizarre

the game doesn't have a host authoritative model so it shouldn't do that unless some particular mod is teleporting things

or players if that's what you meant

[raven arrow]

looks like this pretty much

pretty much everything moving looks like this to me

players, enemies, even things that i spectate

[robust talon]

this ussually happens to me when I've reached a huge amount of mods

how many mods do you have?

[raven arrow]

165, but it only started happening when I just updated everything and decided to play

so I added nothing in-between sessions

I'm pretty sure it's something in my pack just bugging out, but it's really hard to figure anything out when 90% of your logs is enemy targeting

so I'm just looking at errors there and asking everyone what's up

[spice rampart]

my daily FPS

[spice rampart]

modpack code pls?

i can give it a look if you want

(if my pc don't die)

[raven arrow]

01901c4b-6afb-bc3c-0f12-c3aee7afce2e

it probably will

if it doesn't import don't bother, I'm gonna be testing stuff anyways

[spice rampart]

ok

i will probably add HDLethalCompany to lower the graphics

if the modpack doesn't have

[raven arrow]

honestly the pack itself is like half bugfixes and apis

so it's not THAT heavy

[spice rampart]

how many moons?

[raven arrow]

just wesley

[spice rampart]

All wesley moons?

[raven arrow]

yeee

[spice rampart]

oof

it will be heavy