sfDesat's Moons and Mods

[halcyon ermine]

looks better in the editor

[barren flare]

🔥 🔥 🔥

so good

[hearty solstice]

Is that Celest?

[sinful bobcat]

Probably a new moon

[minor raptor]

epcot ball

[spare hearth]

how did u make waves in aquatis?

[tranquil girder]

did Aquatis last night. Celest and Orion (image updated below) are now.

[tranquil tide]

i think orion's sand could be a little bit more orange imo

[tranquil girder]

fixed.

[halcyon ermine]

dope, looks good

[tranquil girder]

i'll need to revisit Space Station again to get an idea on what im gonna do

[restive summit]

Can also confirm from reading up and trying myself,
I was having Aquatis stuck on random seed, with HDLethalCompany complaining about the fog in the log, removing HDLethalCompany fixed it
Note we also have ViewExtension removed too

[visual saddle]

You can scale your picture with lcultrawide too if you still want higher res

[restive summit]

i actually just had HDLethalComp in my pack for people who wanted to lower their res on lower end stuff, i wasnt using any of the features myself

[covert pulsar]

Interesting to see Xu's big buddy in such a smol area

[frigid topaz]

He looks just as funny on Solace

[restive summit]

Me resisting the urge to spawn him indoors

Gets stuck in the office's elevator shaft and makes it unusable

[spare hearth]

hey sd Desat aoishfoahs pohfps x, how did u add the waving effect on aquatis, I also want to create a moon with a beach on it, but idk how to make waves, and ur waves are literally perfect

[sick jungle]

Hello! I has a question, any way to alter the night spawns of Aquatis trough LLL without them appearing early in the day?
I want the Giant to be more likely to appear but anything I do there ends up with a high chance of it appearing at 8am for some reason.

[halcyon ermine]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/2d/textures-materials/water/simple-water-shader-hdrp-207454 you also need a subdivided plane (i used probuilder for that, but you dont need to)

[spare hearth]

ty!

[halcyon ermine]

thats not really possible. The Outside Enemy power is 3 (baboons take 1 and Giants 3) and Outside Enemies can spawn the entire day, so i dont think there is really a way

And they appear at 8am because i set it up to also spawn early (so there are baboons when you arrive)

[halcyon ermine]

damn

[sick jungle]

Ah I see, understood ^^ I was just looking for ways to balance out the baboon hawk spawns because of another mod, but I'll look for an alternative in the matter. Either way keep up the good work, these are my fave mod moons by far 🙏

[halcyon ermine]

thank you!

[covert pulsar]

iirc if you use Lethal Quantities, you can edit the spawn curve for a moon, which can allow for the outdoor enemies to spawn later if calculated correctly

[solemn trellis]

What's the level name for Celest? Trying to add it to a spawn list

[halcyon ermine]

should just be Celest

[halcyon ermine]

live map

[latent flax]

::)

[halcyon ermine]

new update just dropped

all my mods should still work with v50

[tranquil girder]

huh?

[halcyon ermine]

in steam go to properties and beta and select public_beta

[lapis turret]

just tested celestial tint is incompatible

[barren flare]

LLL is not working on v50

[wanton vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wtf-skeleton-damn-ok-gif-6842988012034520782

[tranquil girder]

well...

[halcyon ermine]

hmm i guess my mods aren't working lol

[barren flare]

🥺

[rich notch]

well thats awesome its not like i was in the middle of making a moon using LLL or anything 🤦‍♂️

[tranquil girder]

now LLL NEEDS to update.

[halcyon ermine]

dont update your project. You can still test it in the editor itself

[rich notch]

yeah that should work for the most part but i have noticed a few things that appear to not work in the editor but in game they work fine

hopefully it won't be too much of an issue

[small wigeon]

you should be fine to keep working on your moon, LLL is pending an update anyway

[rich notch]

sounds good

[halcyon ermine]

Should I make my moons match the vanilla style more closely? This means that they will look a bit "worse", but will fall more in-line with the vanilla moons and look "better(?)"

[hexed rose]

I'd like that and I've encouraged other moon mothers to do so with nice results but as a lot of the moons and some interiors are highly detailed ... Eh it doesn't matter. Most people aren't bothered about a strictly immersive or consistent experience.

[onyx bough]

lower quality/stylized moons not only fit better but also probably wont be as much of a strain on lower-end pcs, I personally don't really mind myself and in the end it's really up to you whether to put in the effort but it would make things more consistent and light

[halcyon ermine]

To be honest I got a bit carried away while messing with graphics lol. but now that v50 is out, its clear that the vanilla style has taken a very different path than what i've made.

[halcyon ermine]

it would probably improve performance. but not by much i think

[onyx bough]

true. I mostly say this because of my friend's pc (it makes the load times go up drastically on detailed moons 💀)

[halcyon ermine]

they are a bit thicc in the file size

[hexed rose]

Is it true like I've heard that map assets get loaded into RAM even if you don't land on it? In which case this is the strongest pragmatic argument for low weight moons.
I'm not sure that zeekers develops with mods in mind yet perhaps it's just a technical step yet to implement.

The direction of v50 is... Unexpected. Zeekers posted that it would feel like an alien zoo was unleashed but... No.

[halcyon ermine]

im pretty sure that is true, but that is a bug in LethalLevelLoader and should be fixed next LLL updated

[halcyon ermine]

yeah, maybe he'll add more as the beta goes on? I dont think everything in the update is there yet. ||like Embrion (the amethyst moon) i think its a bit empty. Its rivalling Orion on its emptieness|| lol

[hexed rose]

I was more thinking the monsters are not something you'd find in a zoo at all. Exactly opposite.

[jaunty lintel]

Nope!

[ebon talon]

It's definitely just because of how chaotic they actually play out lol

[hexed rose]

I was dreaming for more monster interaction and I guess we got some but it's hardly subtle.

[halcyon ermine]

oh yeah thats very true

[halcyon ermine]

is it how vanilla loads?

[ebon talon]

This would be baller, this is one of the things that kinda pulls me away from going ham with modded moons lol

[jaunty lintel]

kinda

regardless i cant fix that

[halcyon ermine]

and the only way to "fix" it is to lower the moons file size?

[jaunty lintel]

yessir

[halcyon ermine]

i would've liked more creatures that are biologically possible, like more birds or something

[hexed rose]

LC requirements: intel Pentium 2, iGPU, 64GB of RAM.

[halcyon ermine]

Should I add a dangerous bridge that can collapse? (right bridge is from Adamance, middle from Vow, left is current). I think it can be interesting, but because you cant cross via the water i should probably add another way across or not and make the player find the main entrance inside

[cursive nimbus]

Can you make something spawn the bridge like some good loot

So if you take the dangerous bridge and survive it be worth it

[halcyon ermine]

i have been experimenting with placing loot on the surface

[cursive nimbus]

Because if the bridge doesn't have the value to it I'm taking the long way

[jaunty lintel]

in theory it should work right

it will cut into the dungeons supply but

[halcyon ermine]

yeah i tested it on the smallitemgroup and it worked

[jaunty lintel]

the dungeon technically isn't really any different from the level code wise

aside from the triggers that send you to and from there and sometimes y height

[halcyon ermine]

yeah there is a lot of stuff that i never though about. I mean I could just place items down like a shovel

[jaunty lintel]

yup

scene got that network registration sauce

we love it

ideally tho there would be better ways to do this in the future

[halcyon ermine]

its fine for now. I like that there are no real limits

[jaunty lintel]

its less about limits and mroe about me knowing what your doing

[halcyon ermine]

thats fair

[dusky lake]

yeah! now me and my friends can get a tan while we smack the baboon hawks outside!

[halcyon ermine]

i could probably also add a place where you can change your suit right? also to some that aren't unlocked

[jaunty lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043

[halcyon ermine]

I'm also removing the preview videos from all my moons that you can see in the terminal. It saves about 3-4 Mb. There are only two moons in vanilla that have a preview video

[halcyon ermine]

The patchnotes for aquatis are reaching 2.0 lenghts lol

[jaunty lintel]

writing the patchnotes for lll 1.1 was legit the worst part about that update

[halcyon ermine]

i have learned to have a file open on my second screen so while i buildmy assetbundles i can write all my changes

because it is indeed the most boring part

[stray solstice]

lol

for me, going up from 1.1 to 1.2 is when i add something decently major, like the footstep dust, or the eating, or the new behaviour, going from 1.x to 2.0 is when i add a new enemy though

[halcyon ermine]

Aquatis [2.1.0]

• Performance
  • Increased performance
  • Reduced filesize
  • Improved occlusion
• Clouds
  • Increased amount of clouds
  • Added an extra cloud layer
• Lighting
  • Reduced moon brightness
  • Adjusted colors
  • Added stormy weather
• Palm tree
  • Increased leave density
  • Adjusted colors
• Bushes
  • Increased bush density
  • Adjusted colors
  • Some bushes have moved
• Adjusted grass
• Some rocks have moved
• The bridge can now collapse
• Water
  • Increased wave size
  • Adjusted colors
  • New underwater effect
• Removed preview video
• Added easter eggs
• Added small details

I got the style a bit closer to vanilla, but its not completely there yet

[barren flare]

let's gooo 🔥

[jaunty lintel]

im not smart enough on vidya files

but you can prob get a fine looking terminal mv under 1mb

maybe im psycho

[cerulean jewel]

So you finally embraced that Aquatis was the vacation moon it was supposed to be

Been saying it for years

[halcyon ermine]

looking good this time of year

[cerulean jewel]

~insert meteor storm weather~

[sinful bobcat]

@halcyon ermine
Would you be interested in looking into adding achievements that are specific to your moons using this?
#mod-showcase message

[halcyon ermine]

definitely. i will take a look at it

[lucid juniper]

I have one issue with Aquantis
After i throw it into LLL ( after it got updated to work on it )
The map stopped working for me and cannot find reason why.

I will test if the problem is Nightsky ( cause have other mod that use nightsky also) if not i will ask for your help sf desat my group love ur moons

[halcyon ermine]

its probably not the Nightsky thingy. Are you using r2modman

and can you check that you are not in the Lethal Company public beta

[lucid juniper]

I'm not in public beta and i use bepinex

At this moment i'm at work and i will do forward tests
Because Orion works for me well same as celest

[halcyon ermine]

I made a modpack. It's meant to retain the vanilla feel while improving on it. You can also use it as a foundation for your own modpack.
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/sfDesat/sfVanilla/

v49

btw

[latent flax]

im so glad that aquatis is getting more love and updates

my second favorite moon...

[livid arrow]

@halcyon ermine
I applied the following updates to my modpack and Celestial Tint broke.
No error messages. Just does not show up anymore.

Going to investigate what is up after I eat. Just posting to see if you knew anything already.

[lapis turret]

Ik what it is

this broke mine to

[livid arrow]

ohh what is it?

[lapis turret]

it adds https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Evaisa/FixPluginTypesSerialization/ as a dependency

and breaks a ton of mods

[livid arrow]

a ton of them use it though.
Sigurd-CSync
Scintesto-Monster_Plushies
SillySquad-Arachnophilia
loaforc-FacilityMeltdown
LethalResonance-LETHAL_RESONANCE_MELTDOWN
malco-Lategame_Upgrades
pacoito-StoreRotationConfig
consequential-Oxygen

[lapis turret]

nope

they use Csync

the only mods that use it are CSync and EnemySkinKit

[livid arrow]

ahh and csync uses it

[lapis turret]

yeah

idk what to do because I cant contact them

[livid arrow]

i can

[lapis turret]

how

its closed https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1199756974368227439

[frigid topaz]

That isn't what's breaking Celestial Tint for you

Cus Celestial Tint is fine for me

[lapis turret]

I used it, it broke, I removed it and it worked

[frigid topaz]

It's likely a mod that wasn't updated to support the new build of CSync

check and see if you have one that isn't updated

LGU is a big one rn

[lapis turret]

all are updated

I dont have LGU

[frigid topaz]

Well idk what to tell you it works fine for me

[lapis turret]

did you update

[frigid topaz]

I also will say I have Celestial Tint Edit in my pack though

[frigid topaz]

Yes

[lapis turret]

wdym

[frigid topaz]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Piggy/Celestial_Tint_Edit/

[lapis turret]

thats why

[frigid topaz]

Try adding that and see if it fixes it for you

[lapis turret]

hold on

you might be right

[keen barn]

I'm having the exact same problem as @lapis turret and adding this didn't fix it, sadly

[lapis turret]

I have 157 mods that I have to go through

[frigid topaz]

Super weird, was this on a new save or one already made? Could be some mods that got updated require a new save

[lapis turret]

new

[frigid topaz]

Odd

Delete and Regen LLL config?

[keen barn]

It's definitely FixPluginTypesSerialization that's causing the problem

[lapis turret]

I dont think so

I made a new save and used celestial tint with it and it worked

I think its a mod conflict with FixPluginTypesSerialization

[keen barn]

Yeah, disabling it fixes it completely for me

[lapis turret]

but I think it breaks csync

when people join it breaks

[hexed rose]

Decent. I use all of these except for ShipLoot which I found to have some small issues/error throwing conflicts and a bit loud visually. SkyHUD is new to me.
I think FairAI the turrets still don't target monsters, it was a bug that appeared at some point haven't seen it work again yet.

[pure zinc]

Considering ||there's an entire fourth moon in the game code that hasn't been implemented|| and there's ||the Mimcket creature thingy that could potentially be pointing to another creature||, it's very possible (especially with Zeekers just dropping the beta with no patch notes and ||greatly underselling what's actually in the beta now compared to what he led with in the beta announcement post||) that we have more stuff coming to v50 before it fully releases. I've been here since the new year though, so I wasn't around to know if the same thing occured with v49 or not when it was in beta

[tranquil girder]

v49 was essentially a stability improvement on steroids iirc. v47 showed off Nutcracker and the mask item (but not its effect)

[halcyon ermine]

ShyHUD is HideChat but for the whole UI when its not being used. except the hotbar. And for FairAI, i think its better that it doesn't target the creatures. That could lead to it being very unbalanced at times.

[halcyon ermine]

Are there are no error messages in the console? And are there any mods that change things in orbit?

[halcyon ermine]

This is the link https://time.graphics/line/901266

Let me know if there are more things to put on this timeline

[livid arrow]

Not that I had seen. I narrowed it down to two mods.

Rosie's moons, and anything to do with 4.x.x Csync

Both broke celestial tint.

Interestingly, reverting did not fix the problem.

Some setting somewhere was physically edited.

So I had to import a backup of my mod pack and just not update Csync or Rosie's Moons.

I will grab a log today just in case I was wrong though.

[livid arrow]

I will send you my modpack file in DM (just because I am close to release) and you can see yourself directly. Updating either of the mentioned mods will break things and not allow them to be restored. It's very wierd.

[halcyon ermine]

does just Celestial TInt + Csync + Rosie's also break?

[livid arrow]

Celestial Tint + Rosie
Celestial Tint + Csync + any Csync Mod
Celestial Tint + Csync?
Celestial Tint + Csync + Rosies

All break

@halcyon ermine
May be a bigger problem.

Either way error log soon.

@barren flare turning off his problems. 😛

I just did not update the mods. How can I live without the immersion of Celestial Tint! 😱

[barren flare]

i've done that because two of my friends have a low-end pcs and they were getting disconnected after pulling the lever

[livid arrow]

Cull the weak! jk jk

[barren flare]

and you've said that CelestialTint uses a lot of VRAM

[barren flare]

lol

[livid arrow]

wellll

[barren flare]

so i've tried to see if it will have a sizable impact

[halcyon ermine]

it uses a little less than 0.5 Gb, but it doesn't have an impact except if the vram is full it will cause stuttering

[livid arrow]

I guess depending on the age of the graphics card it could be a lot of ram.

[halcyon ermine]

I tested the rosie + cel + csync combo and had no issues

[livid arrow]

what the hell!

on my pack?

[halcyon ermine]

the only thing Celestial Tint does is load a file (orbitprefabbundle) and when loading into SampleSceneRelay (orbit) it replaces all the planetprefabs andthan it deloads the orbitprefabbundle.

it shouldnt mess with anything else

[livid arrow]

Yeah I have no idea why things are breaking.

[halcyon ermine]

no standalone

[halcyon ermine]

but is it also corrupting files? to where it also doesnt work after disabling it?

[livid arrow]

Yes

Well I have kept celestial tint on in all tests.

[halcyon ermine]

i'll test with your modpack 1 sec

[livid arrow]

so to clarify

When I downgrade Rosies, or Csync + its mods back to the working versions it is corrupted still.

I have not tried to turn off Celestial Tint after.....

No idea why but I will do so now.

[halcyon ermine]

try validating Lethal Company's game files to make sure that is all in order

[livid arrow]

will do after tests. I do not want to break the current environment.

All right... Sooo today Rosie's Moons does nothing. Sure whatever game.

rude

Working with rosies

[halcyon ermine]

lol

[livid arrow]

I swear to god I hate computers some times. haha

[halcyon ermine]

check the console there is a part where it says replaced moon with Prefab_something

a bunch of times

[livid arrow]

Log for rosie.

[lapis turret]

Rosie works for me

[livid arrow]

Yeah it was being mean yesterday. All good today.

updating csync

[lapis turret]

I don’t know what it could be I think it’s a setting changed

[lapis turret]

You could try making a new profile and instead of updating the mods just download the new version and see if that fixes it

[livid arrow]

Csync updated without updating dependant mods. ( I expect bad)

[livid arrow]

I have created a new profile and re-downloaded all mods from TS. Still was mean to me. 😦

[lapis turret]

One by one or the modpack

[livid arrow]

Modpack. I do not have the soul to download 250 mods 1 by 1

[halcyon ermine]

i dont know if the modpack version you gave is the latest but Rosie and Csync are not on the latest version. Rosie 1.1.3 > 1.1.5 Csync 3.1.1 > 4.1.0

are the problems with the old version or updated version?

[livid arrow]

Updated

[barren flare]

Oh, i've disabled both CelestialTint and abandonedcompanyassets, so it might've been more of their fault

sorry for the false alarm 😅

[livid arrow]

Just updated csync without updating the mods that rely on it.

it broke Celetial tint.

So now I will disable all the mods that need Csync and see if Celestial tint revives.

[halcyon ermine]

that is such a weird bug lol

[barren flare]

i mean - csync did a major update and mods need to be rewritten to account for that

so them missing a key dependency will break something

[livid arrow]

Mods I have that use Csync

[halcyon ermine]

I only updated Csync and rosie. Did you update every possible mod?

[livid arrow]

I might have made an oversight during my sleepy testing yesterday but I thought I made sure to keep the out dated ones off.

[livid arrow]

No I did what you did.

[livid arrow]

The log for this test.

[halcyon ermine]

it loaded during startup but did nothing after that

[livid arrow]

I just disabled all of these.

Now it it just Celestial Tint + Csync. Csync is no longer doing anything it just exists.

[halcyon ermine]

it may be that some mods are already trying to be compatible with v50 like LGU and than breaking compat with v49

Csync was spitting some errors regarding LLL and other mods

[livid arrow]

might be

This is just Celestial tint and Csync.

Just Csync.

Now I will roll back Csync and see if Celestial Tint Revives.

[halcyon ermine]

can you check the terminal to see if al LLL moons are there and you can route to them

[livid arrow]

ok I will do that first

[halcyon ermine]

because Celestial Tint uses LLL features to load so it may be a problem with LLL and CSync

[livid arrow]

ahhh

And that would be why CT is a casualty as it relies on LLL

[halcyon ermine]

most likely

[livid arrow]

ohhhhh yeah

Terminal broke

Moon list screwed

[halcyon ermine]

here are some errors

the second one has to do with LLL

[halcyon ermine]

or top-right

[livid arrow]

All modded moons are broken. Looks like somehow Terminal Formatter and LLL moon catalog survive organizing the Base Game moons. Good job surviving @barren flare

[livid arrow]

Yeah so then the real issue is that the new Csync breaks LLL

[barren flare]

this is not terminalformatter's output

[livid arrow]

Oh sorry then you died....

[barren flare]

🤷 happens

[livid arrow]

R.I.P

[halcyon ermine]

no LLL gets killed somewhere by something

[livid arrow]

The only change is the Csync upgrade though?

[halcyon ermine]

I dont think its just CSync + LLL, because they work standalone

[livid arrow]

They do

?

hmmmmmm

[halcyon ermine]

i think its CSync + something, causes LLL to die. causes CT and TerminalFOrmatter to die

[lapis turret]

C sync and celestial tint work alone

[livid arrow]

hmm

I guess I will now switch to disabling mods until I find the problem.

Yayyyyyy

[halcyon ermine]

250 🫡

[lapis turret]

Try only using LLL + celestial tint + Csync

[livid arrow]

Already confirmed to work 😛

Well lets start with the Elephant in the room Lethal Expansion Core!

[halcyon ermine]

i recommend trying anything that loads something in orbit, anything that messes with the terminal and anything that messes with loading

start with loading, then terminal, then orbit

[lapis turret]

If you update mods and remove the new dependency Csync adds it works but if someone joins it won’t work

[livid arrow]

?

[lapis turret]

Csync adds a new dependency

It fixes the problem if you remove it but then people can’t join

[livid arrow]

Lol I am crashing now hahahaha

[halcyon ermine]

damn thats tough

[livid arrow]

not LECore

or anything connected to it.

[halcyon ermine]

what do you use for shipLoot?

[halcyon ermine]

is it working?

[livid arrow]

not yet.

😭

still more work to do

[hexed rose]

Maybe we can talk about my 270 mod pack. We have very similar taste. I'm still making tests and decisions and v50 is gonna be havoc for it.
But for your question specifically; General Improvements loot on ship screen is enough, unintrusive too. I also use CalculatScrapForQuota. I like the subtly of it, but it's old and not flawless. SellTracker is nice too.
There multiple are mods and mod features that sell scrap automatically but they're not immersive. I like the scrap held features of QualityCompany but not immersive.

[halcyon ermine]

damn is your pack on thunderstore?

[halcyon ermine]

damn

[livid arrow]

More immersive held scap calculation.
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DeathGOD7/LCItemValue/

[hexed rose]

Maybe some day.

[hexed rose]

Nice will consider it.

Really old though. Gotta see if it survives v50.

[livid arrow]

yeah haha

Progress report

Still broke as hell

[livid arrow]

This is extremely difficult to test for.

I went back to version 3 of Csync and LLL is still dead. I reinstalled all 3 mods. Csync, LLL, and LLL fixed with no success. I have no way to test if my mod removals are doing anything as I cannot see if it is making any difference....

I will have to take a ground-up approach I think

Instead of removing. I will have to start with just LLL, Celestial Tint, and Csync. And re-add all mods that are present in my pack until it fails.

[livid arrow]

I shall give up for now.

Csync remains un updated!

[halcyon ermine]

🫡

[pearl swift]

trying to catch up the conversation as i was dealing with a similar issue earlier, sorry if i missed that part but did you try with LE core instead of LE?

the moon catalogue being broken drove me nuts a fews hours ago and making the switch in LE core config (use LE core modules and bundles) fixed everything

celestial tint is broken though, space is completely dark

[livid arrow]

Sadly it is broken because something is breaking LLL.

I just stayed on v3 of Csync until this is sorted out. Did not update any of the mods either.

[frigid topaz]

It's not CSync.

If it was CSync my v49 pack would be broken but it works fine

[livid arrow]

It really does not matter what it is. All I know I'd that if I touch Csync my modpack dies. It will stay where it is until I or someone else figure out what is going on.

[frigid topaz]

You have a mod that's either not updated or is causing problems

[livid arrow]

It just means I have a mod interaction that you do not is all.

All mods are updated.

[frigid topaz]

Inb4 it's BetterSprayPaint again

[livid arrow]

I deleted it from my pack

[pearl swift]

same, still doesn't work

[livid arrow]

It is something. However I do not have the willpower to test anymore today.

I will do more testing tomorrow if the problem has yet to be found.

I need it to work so I can update Shattered Company to v50.

[pearl swift]

found it

i first compared your list and mine

but the mod that was breaking celestial tint was not CSync but FixPluginTypesSerialization, on which CSync depends

my moon catalogue seems to be working again

FixPluginTypesSerialization wasn't updated in 3 months so I guess something must have happened elsewhere

[livid arrow]

I know @lapis turret had been experimenting with this.
Still a problem for Thunderstore downloads. I will have to ask the developer why it is in there

[lapis turret]

Make a new profile and download it with celestial tint. It still works

[pearl swift]

yeah it definitely is interacting with something else in my pack but it's not broken in any way

but if i force disable it and keep everything else (csync, meltdown, etc) it works

[lapis turret]

People can’t join then

[pearl swift]

oh it's fixing something with the netcode?

[lapis turret]

I don’t know but when I disabled it people would not be able to join

[pearl swift]

is there a quick way to recreate a clean profile and import 200-ish mods without having to import them one by one?

[lapis turret]

Upload the mod list on thunderstore and download it

[halcyon ermine]

or write down the code

[pearl swift]

won't the code also import config files and other things?

[halcyon ermine]

it imports the mods and configs i think

[pearl swift]

okay i'll try that first thanks

[sullen olive]

Well if you don't want the configs imported. You can just delete the directory with all of them. And then they will be regenerated on the first run, to default values.

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine do you ever plan to fix this? lmao

[distant haven]

Clearly beautiful lemon.

[lapis turret]

It’s not the configs

[lapis turret]

Did you find out why it’s breaking

[livid arrow]

Nope my soul was broken and I gave up.

Shattered Company just does not use Csync v4 plus right now hahaha

[lapis turret]

Dose it work with the old version?

[lapis turret]

Or will it still break

[livid arrow]

in the future I bet hahahaha

[lapis turret]

But will it work with the old version now?

[livid arrow]

After reloading my pack from before I updated yes. I just ignore the update and do not update any of its mods to the new version.

Until whatever the problem is gets fixed.

[lapis turret]

I am going to go through 157 mods

[pearl swift]

weirdly enough, for me rolling back to csync v3 didn't cut it, only disabling FixPluginTypesSerialization fixed it

also i'm having this annoying bug where people get a black screen with the hud and nothing else when trying to join from time to time

[sullen olive]

also note that FixPluginTypesSerialization is installed by csync v4, so completely rolling it back would also mean removing that

[pearl swift]

oh okay

but is it really required by csync? because force disabling it and keeping csync v4 brought no issue (at least i couldn't find any problem)

[lapis turret]

But people can’t join

[pearl swift]

ah yeah sorry i remember you told me that yesterday

[pearl swift]

but i'm getting this without csync/FixPluginTypesSerialization/meltdown enabled so that's another issue i guess

[lapis turret]

Have you tried downloading the original version of csync

[pearl swift]

you mean v3?

i've tried disabling csync v4, v3, and disabled

it only works when fixplugintypes is disabled

i'm talking about the celestial tint issue here, the other issue i've just mentioned is there regardless of csync/fixplugintypes

[lapis turret]

No

The one by Owen

Owen originally made it but Sigurd forked it because Owen removed it but recently he added it back

[pearl swift]

oh okay i'll try that

[pearl swift]

same issue

[halcyon ermine]

forgot lol

[livid arrow]

Yes Rolling back does not fix it.

As the mod is still present.

[halcyon ermine]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1225439605881307156

[halcyon ermine]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1225451298371932250

[cerulean jewel]

Peak

Also @livid arrow what’s the issue with csync rn

[livid arrow]

Its dependency, when paired with certain mods breaks LLL

[cerulean jewel]

That’s hilarious

Why are so many mods just breaking

[cerulean jewel]

In that case which version/s of csync are stable

[sullen olive]

3.1.1 is the version I would use until the issues are resolved

[livid arrow]

This!

[cerulean jewel]

Thank you!

[frigid topaz]

Stop spreading misinformation

4.1.0 is stable, just make sure if you have 2 mods that use the same plugin ie LLL and LLLFixed be sure the original LLL is disabled or it just breaks LLL lol

And that's not CSync doing it it's some weirdness with the Serialize plugin

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-team-fortress2-tf2-spy-tf2-meet-the-spy-gif-450232384991232733

I love spreading hate and misinformation on the internet

[cerulean jewel]

I noticed that a evsia plugin mod was added to my modpack recently

[frigid topaz]

Yeah that's the plugin I was talking about, it seems to prevent the normal Bepin behaviour if both LLL's are present and just breaks it instead lol

So normal LLL needs to be disabled

[cerulean jewel]

What mod depends on it?

[cerulean jewel]

I already do this

[wind minnow]

You can check

If you click associated

[cerulean jewel]

I’m not home

[frigid topaz]

Btw Mi6k you cursed my game yesterday cus whatever caused LC to go jank for you caused my stream to die twice on Sector-0 and then start dropping frames twice on Auralis, problem would clear up when I quit the game

I think it was AbandonedCompanyAssets tbh with you. It got updates yesterday

I took it out of the pack

It would explain your problems once when holding a walkie once too, cus it adds things like abandoned walkies

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/plancton-gif-4547304069248189847

I am a virus

[wind minnow]

Damn that mod looked cool I hope it’s not broke

[frigid topaz]

I've had several cases btw @cerulean jewel where after an abandoned walkie is picked up by someone the person who picked it up can no longer be heard over the walkie talkie

Even though the abandoned one was off

[wind minnow]

Agony

[frigid topaz]

Let's make it even weirder

Taking it out improved the game performance by a decent amount

so it makes me wonder

what it's doing or what it was doing

lol

[cerulean jewel]

That mod

Kill it

[frigid topaz]

I already took it out of the pack bud dw

I also removed Piggy's Reanimation mod too cus I noticed a few weird entries in it's code that might cause problems but it wouldn't have been responsible for the networking issues last night

[cerulean jewel]

Thank you

Maybe this time I will remain real

[sullen olive]

I'm not saying that it's the root cause of everything wrong with the modpacks. But if things work with an older csync, the users are safe to stay there until the relevant mod authors push out fixes and things stop acting up.

[halcyon ermine]

new ||indoor hazard|| just dropped in v50?

[sinful bobcat]

What, which?

[halcyon ermine]

idk, zeekers said it. i think there is a new beta update

[frigid topaz]

||Spike Trap|| according to the changelog from 1a3

[halcyon ermine]

do you know ||where they spawn||?

[frigid topaz]

Nope, but the name for it in the code is ||SpikeRoofTrap|| so I assume they're random ||Ceiling traps||

[halcyon ermine]

||probably a Level1 type hazard||

[frigid topaz]

Prob

[tranquil girder]

spoiler

[lapis turret]

It’s a mod conflicting with the new dependency but csync requires it. I am almost certain it’s the new dependency I have tested adding it and removing it. The issue gets fixed when I remove it but people can’t join.

[cerulean jewel]

I’m receiving mixed messages

[lapis turret]

I am going to test to see if the original mod made by owen works if not I will go through all the mods to see which one is conflicting

[cerulean jewel]

Just as a blanket statement

With every mod on its latest version and LLL uninstalled and replaced with LLLFixed

Are there any issues

[lapis turret]

Yes

[cerulean jewel]

And those are

[lapis turret]

A mod conflicts with csync and disables some stuff

If you remove the new dependency that csync adds it’s fixed but people can’t join

[cerulean jewel]

So if I rollback to an older csync where that dependency is not yet needed

Are there any issues there

[lapis turret]

I don’t know that what I am going to test but I think a new mod not csync has updated and it conflicts with the new csync

[sullen olive]

You can think that i spread misinformation, and my "misinformation" can still be the easiest way to avoid issues

[south bloom]

no one claimed the new csync update is unstable. it’s just that hundreds of mods are still using v3 and not yet v4.

[pearl swift]

didn't try it but that could work, but i can confirm that disabling FixPluginTypesSerialization fixes these bugs with LLL (moon catalogue, celestial tint)

[south bloom]

so yeah i agree that using the older versions is better till all the kinks are sorted out.

[pearl swift]

not saying csync nor FixPluginTypesSerialization is the source of the issue, it could really be some weird interaction between other mods, just saying that removing FixPluginTypesSerialization prevents LLL from going crazy

and FixPluginTypesSerialization is needed for the latest version of csync, so rolling back csync should do the trick

[south bloom]

meanwhile mi6k tryna process all this information:

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-going-on-kevin-hart-confused-speechless-gif-15102703

who do i believe?

[stone pumice]

Updating to Sigurd's CSync up to 4.1.0, 4.0.1 or 4.0.0 gave me and my friends errors, and well we aren't the only ones apparently, when the game loaded and when the game was running, 3.1.1 did not give us any.
So I would say that 3.1.1 is most stable, still. And here i'm not "spreading misinformation" only sharing what me and my friends did
But there were no game breaking stuff happening though. I just saw plenty of times errors related to CSync on the logs, decided to rollback

I guess there are mod combinaisons that doesn't like Sigurd's CSync v3.1.1+ and others that are fine

[pearl swift]

i tried using owen's version of csync as per @lapis turret's advice and it seems to work

[stone pumice]

By the way someone knows why the orginal CSync was removed, and then re-available later on again? Found that very odd

[sullen olive]

Btw, when you went from csync v4, back down to v3. Make sure you also removed FixPluginTypesSerialization during that step.
For completeness sake.

[stone pumice]

Yes I already did that, thank you for the double check though

[pearl swift]

you are absolutely right

just tried everything at the latest version (csync, fixedplugintypes, celestial tint, LLL) and having LLL and LLLFixed enabled at the same time AND fixedplugintypes enabled seems to be the issue

disabling LLL, leaving only LLLFixed enabled, and csync/fixedplugintypes at their latest versions seems to have resolved my issues

at least for the moon catalogue and celestial tint

[sullen olive]

If you can, you should also check if other players can join your lobby, and if you can land on a LLL based cusom moon

[pearl swift]

i can land on a LLL moon just fine, i'm going to try with other players later

[sullen olive]

And then we just need IamBatby to look at this, and wait on him to deliver the updated LLL which will hopefully end this madness

[pearl swift]

yes please

is it planned or is the mod abandoned?

[sullen olive]

Oh it's allegedly practically ready to release, but he wants to wait for v50 to officialy release.

[pearl swift]

damn

it could save my modpack but at the same time v50 will destroy my modpack ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen olive]

good to hear that LLLfixed used alone, can save your modpack as well

[pearl swift]

yeah that could be it

maybe it also solved some random issues with other mods

i thought LLLFixed was a patch, not a whole new version of LLL

or at least I thought it disabled the original LLL, much like LE and LE core

[sullen olive]

yeah same

[halcyon ermine]

thats good to know

[cerulean jewel]

Ok

When I get home imma test

[cerulean jewel]

It is supposed to disable LLL when installed, but from Ive seen if I had both my groups would experiecence interior desyncs, so since then ive had LLL uninstalled while just running LLLFixed and life has been good

[pearl swift]

yeah i think it's not disabling it properly

[covert pulsar]

Oya for the v50 beta folks that were looking for the ||spike trap||
I found some on planets that normally have a ton of traps, such as Offense and ||Embrion||

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-meme-surprise-shock-gif-21311476

@halcyon ermine

holy

Idk if this is a display error, at first i thought my configs were incorrect

but facility has 2 values for celest

which are

the same values

wait

I know whats happening

Its the Celest / Celestia compatibility issue

wait

no

that makes no sense

[halcyon ermine]

no i forgot to remove Facility from my dungeonGenerator. ez fix

[jaunty lintel]

bad desat

means your probably gonna get a nice file reduction too

since that means ur packing the entire facility dungeon 😛

[halcyon ermine]

oh rlly lol

[cerulean jewel]

oh thank u

thought i was going schitzo

[jaunty lintel]

it goes thru the reference chains

[tranquil girder]

... check them other moons, too

[jaunty lintel]

new lll fortunately doesn't give a fuck about what flow is in your dungeon because i can get march flow early in v50

[halcyon ermine]

nice 👀

[halcyon ermine]

Celest [1.0.7]

• Adjusted color of the leaves
• Adjusted Water visuals
• Added new underwater effect
• Added props along the route
• Removed duplicate Facility dungeon flow
• Optimized water shader
• Reduced file size

[jaunty lintel]

was the file diff noticable?

[halcyon ermine]

it somehow increased the folder size and decreased the scene size

but that could be from the re-patching i did for v50

[halcyon ermine]

Those LethalSnap images look dope

and i made a v50 version of sfVanilla #1225451298371932250 message

[neon kayak]

Someone might have mentioned this I notice with Celestial Tint the moon you are travelling to appears for a split second before the animation of arriving at the moon plays.

[latent flax]

question btw for the ship windows mod if i have celestial tint should i set "let other mods handle space outside" in windows config

[gaunt ingot]

You don't have to change anything, ship windows will detect and adjust for celestial tint automatically

meant to reply, @latent flax

[halcyon ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-eating-rock-gif-13935567355130525471

[cerulean jewel]

God

This is awful

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-looking-shock-shocked-funny-as-hell-gif-17826302

[tranquil tide]

petition to add these fucking kevin hart stickers to this discord

[trim stream]

Real

[halcyon ermine]

https://github.com/sfDesat/Celestial-Tint/wiki/Adding-support-for-Celestial-Tint i updated the page, because i added an new tag Mountain. I also redid all screenshots from visuals in 1.1.9

new look for Company

new look for Desert

Celestial Tint [1.1.9]

• Added new tag Mountain
• Lowered orbit height
• Adjusted visuals
• Improved documentation

(unranked list)

[fleet pilot]

How about a tag for an earth-like planet? Would be nice for Black Mesa

[halcyon ermine]

good idea

[wide ermine]

As an idea, what you came up with is good but i feel like it would be cooler if it was a water planet with concrete square patches

Since apparently the planet is flooded

and considering the company is unique

[tranquil girder]

brown, red, and streams of glowing yellow/orange for volcanic sceneries (ex. Infernis, Io, and Vulcan (someone PLEASE port those last 2))

[halcyon ermine]

the company planet/moon is indeed water, but dark water and it is engulfed in perpetual storms. So I thought the current one fit that lore

[halcyon ermine]

that is also a good one

i'm also gonna rename Mountain to Rocky

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.10]

• Added new tag Vulcanic
• Renamed tag Mountain > Rocky
• Adjusted Forest visuals

this is a preview from Vulanic. I want to redo the texturing later

[heady yarrow]

I’m sorry to be the one to tell you, but it’s actually spelled “Volcanic”

[halcyon ermine]

oh lol. I put it right in the editor just nowhere else

[heady yarrow]

i think it’s technically a correct spelling, but like in the way where nobody uses it in modern times and such

[halcyon ermine]

Vulcanic is an "electrical heating and cooling solutions for the industry"

Volcanic is correct

[heady yarrow]

Yeah lol

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.11]

• Renamed tag Vulcanic > Volcanic (typo)

[tranquil girder]

@tropic pilot ^

[tropic pilot]

?

oh

okay

[tranquil girder]

when the time comes

[cursive cove]

So I'm trying to get it to where my friends and I can play aquatis but apparently lethallevelloader and lethallevelloaderfixed both softlock the terminal and throw an error. I've tried rolling csync back to 3.1.1 and downloading owens csync, still softlocked. have disabled lethallevelloader with lethallevelloader fixed enabled, still softlocked.
Has anyone found a fix or a way around or am I doomed to wait for this new update for LLL this weekend?

[karmic fox]

Do you have fixpluginsserialization?

[cursive cove]

yes, but I disabled that as well and was still softlocked

[karmic fox]

You should probably try to regenerate the config for LLL and then once that's done disable LLL and just keep LLLfixed

Not sure how else to help so sorry if it doesn't work

[cursive cove]

no worries! I'm about to head to bed so I'll have hubs regen the config and disable LLL tomorrow and we'll try again. Thank you!

[karmic fox]

Np

[desert heath]

had that same problem happen to me^ did what chiilovani did and that fixed it

has anyone run into the issue of celestial tint's skybox just not showing at all? it's just all black for me but idk what the issue could be

NVM, for some reason when i just got it again it somehow works (and i have no idea why)

love this mode btw 🔥

[halcyon ermine]

disabling LLL should have fixed the issue. If you do this try it with the latest Csync + fixpluginsserialization

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.12]

• 2.0.4 > 2.0.5 Updated ShipWindows
• Fixed random sun position
• Adjusted visuals

[cursive cove]

So I've done some tinkering this morning. I regen'd the config for LLL then disabled it. I have Csync updated to latest version + fixpluginsserialization. I re-enabled LLLfixed and the config successfully pulled Aquatis but is still softlocking the terminal.
This is just my opinion and from my experience, but it seems both LLL and LLLfixed softlock the terminal.
Without LLL and LLLfixed, Aquatis doesn't populate.
This is the error from the latest log.

At this point, we'll just wait on an update, cause I've done all I know to do and have found by researching. oh well 🤷‍♀️

[sullen olive]

This is probably unrelated. But i did just get the terminal unresponsive behavior. In my case it was caused by loading the game without it being the focused application. (Alt+Tab out for most of the loading time).
And loading the game again, with focus on it got rid of it

I don't think it was caused by this, or any mod tho. I'm guessing that vanilla LC would do it too.

[cursive cove]

Most likely unrelated, idk. I did try it tho, but still soft locked. I do tab a lot so figured I'd at least try. I have another mod list that doesn't have LLL, LLLFixed or Aquatis so we're still able to play. I'm just tinkering around to try to find a way around it with a test profile. Atm haven't had success yet.

[livid arrow]

@halcyon ermine For some reason the new Celestial Tint breaks LLL

Celestial Tint 1.1.8 > 1.1.12

[halcyon ermine]

how's that?

[livid arrow]

My last tested working version was 1.1.8. After updating it breaks.

[halcyon ermine]

is it black or does it crash? what is the problem?

from your log it seems Celestial Tint starts and loads, but never applies the patch. Is there anything that really messes with the start of the game (when you load in). Can you try reinstalling Celestial Tint or reverting ShipWindows to 2.0.4?

[livid arrow]

Black and moon catalog is broken

[livid arrow]

will give it a test.

[halcyon ermine]

check if LLL is disabled

[livid arrow]

LLL is enabled, it has to be because the users of the pack will not know to disable it.

[halcyon ermine]

do you have LLLFixed and FixPluginSerialisation?

[livid arrow]

only LLL Fixed.

[halcyon ermine]

check for FixPlugin

[livid arrow]

I had to keep Csync at 3.1.1 and not update its mods because of the FixPlugin.

[halcyon ermine]

ah ok

[livid arrow]

So I currently only have LLL and LLL Fixed.

[halcyon ermine]

its strange because i haven't changed anything in the code. only in the prefabs that i load in, which shouldn't cause issues

[livid arrow]

I did something that broke many things somehow only after I finished testing. So I need to test this more.

@halcyon ermine v50 just dropped.

[halcyon ermine]

i saw lol. if anybody wants to play with mods they need to switch to "previous" branch

[livid arrow]

I was in the middle of bug checking your mod and then all my mod text went red.

[halcyon ermine]

damn

lol

[livid arrow]

@halcyon ermine It looks like it was a mod update that broke Celestial Tint. Not sure which one. Plus now that v50 is here I am not interested in finding out. I will drop it from the new update and then re add it later in v50.

[livid arrow]

Also it was Starlancer Warehouse that killed LLL 😛

[halcyon ermine]

ah ok nice

[livid arrow]

No matter what anyone says. Celestial tint is my #1 debugging tool. ❤️

[halcyon ermine]

lol its unbeatable haahah

[sinful bobcat]

What's the spawn weight for giants on Aquatis?

[halcyon ermine]

~3%

[sinful bobcat]

Thanks

[acoustic yacht]

lmao, first time I ever went to Aquatis long ago there was a giant halfway between the ship and the entrances

my partner was like “I thought you said this moon was easy”

[halcyon ermine]

lol

[cursive cove]

I'm testing the new LLL version that isn't fully released yet with Aquatis, so I figured I'd post here too. Aquatis is loading in, buuuuut its a lil wonky, the ground is just a full ocean. This is the log spam, started when landed on Aquatis and stopped when left.

[halcyon ermine]

yeah for whatever reason the LLL Beta is unloading the assetbundle that stores all the assets of Aquatis. So it's not playable currently

[steady imp]

does lllfixedfixed work?

[halcyon ermine]

i dont think that support v50

[steady imp]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zhelderon/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/

i mean this one

which is a fork of that fork

this one works with interiors at least (most of them)

[halcyon ermine]

on v50?

[steady imp]

ye

[halcyon ermine]

oh nice. that should work than probably

[steady imp]

im gonna try it out once im done with this session

[cursive cove]

They suggested this, so I'm trying that now. If it remains the same, I'll move on to testing other moons and aspects of the game.

I will say, Aquatis is our friend groups fav map, you really outdone yourself with this one, well done!

[halcyon ermine]

thats not the problem (i think). It has to do with something else i think. I think the only solution right now is https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zhelderon/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/

[halcyon ermine]

thank you!

[stray solstice]

It's what I thought I saw work earlier but prolly isn't if sf doesn't think so lol

[halcyon ermine]

the debugging option doesn't actually do anything for me. So maybe its just a problem for me

[cursive cove]

yeah I'm running a test profile, so I haven't installed LLLfixed yet on this one. Trying to test the LLLExperiment version first as much as possible before adding things in, if that makes sense.

then slowly add mods we use and document errors

I'm not even a modder and I been testing this game alllllll week

[halcyon ermine]

thats understandable, just know that LLL Beta will get updated and will fix a lot of problems

[cursive cove]

oh yeah definitely I believe in Batby 100% he's got this! I like to be helpful if I can, and I really like these mods so I figured I'd join in on testing and post what I find (if its any help)

So not just an issue with you, prob right. changed to debugging to all in the config, so same issue. Also the trees will show up purple on the map screen in the ship too so I thought that was interesting lol

LLLFixed with LLLbeta disabled fixes Aquatis 😄 now just gotta test for enemy spawning, loot, map etc

[halcyon ermine]

their numbers have increased lol

[cursive cove]

😄 YAY!!!!!!

That looks like heaven 😄

anyone know which mod probes weather? I have it on another profile but I can't figure out which one it is.
This is example command: probe aquatis eclipsed
Then it would change aquatis to eclipsed

[trim stream]

LateGame Upgrades iirc

[cursive cove]

ty! gunna test adding that one now

[trim stream]

np

[steady imp]

yeeeahhh zeeks changed smth and they have a weight of 0,5 i think and spawn in pairs? something like that

[halcyon ermine]

that makes sense. So either 6 baboons with the possiblity of a giant or less baboons but no chance for giant

[trim stream]

with that many spawning, my jar of pickles collection is going to be stolen

[steady imp]

i just had a baboon steal my stuff and put it inside a rock

cause a nest spawned there

[halcyon ermine]

on aquatis?

[steady imp]

no, in vanilla on artifice

[trim stream]

that's pure evil

[halcyon ermine]

oh ok

could they always steal items or is that new?

[steady imp]

pretty sure always

[trim stream]

they always could

[cursive cove]

yeah, they would steal their buddies bodies

[trim stream]

they just can go inside the ship now

[steady imp]

they always grab eachothers bodies

[halcyon ermine]

oh i didnt know that lol. And now they have visible camps

[trim stream]

changes (+going inside ship)

[halcyon ermine]

hmm maybe 6 is fine then

i'll mess around with placing a camp down

@steady imp did the giant spawn weight change from 3?

[steady imp]

hm

i dont think so...

[halcyon ermine]

ok so 6 baboons it is is guess

[cursive cove]

so tested lgu, it can make reg and the modded moons eclipsed but when I do aquatis, it says "An invalid weather was selected to probe for the moon"
Idk if its a lgu thing or not cause only aquatis is affected.

[halcyon ermine]

stormy and rainy are the possible weather

[cursive cove]

aw so making it eclipsed isn't possible?

[halcyon ermine]

no because the baboons are already pretty much garuanteed to spawn so there wouldn't be any differences

unless eclipsed also changes the interior creature spawn rate?

[cursive cove]

thats how I was testing lethalexpansion and core when it broke enemy spawn. I would change the map to eclipsed because there would always be more enemy spawn and if nothing spawned, I knew something was broke

[halcyon ermine]

hm ok i'll add eclipsed

[sinful bobcat]

Will it have different visuals?

[halcyon ermine]

yeah, but i gotta make it look good. This is what is currently in place, but i dont like it lol

[cursive cove]

woah wym that looks dope af

[halcyon ermine]

i mean the sun isn't eclipsed it just red

[sinful bobcat]

There was a visual already made for eclipsed but you didn't make eclipsed a possible weather?

[cursive cove]

well yeah thats the only thing I see that would need some work, but the rest looks awesome

[halcyon ermine]

hmm it says in the patch notes that i added it in 2.1 but that is not true lol

i think i cahnged my mind half way through making it

[cursive cove]

well I'm here for testing if you decide to add it in, just @ me when you drop it.

[halcyon ermine]

sure

[steady imp]

sooooooooo safe to assume that lllfixedfixed works then

https://tenor.com/view/komaru-komarugif-komaru-everyday-комару-комаругиф-gif-9606335926411058399

[cursive cove]

Yes! but it only worked after I used the LLLbeta, switched the dll for the reg dll, turned debugging to all in config, then disabled LLL

[steady imp]

well this sounds complicated

[cursive cove]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1228961224126103632

Thats the LLLbeta.

[sinful bobcat]

It doesn't work with FixedPatch only?

[steady imp]

im gonna test it rn

cause theres no way im doing all that

[sinful bobcat]

yeah was about to do the same

[steady imp]

OH

lethal company now has a flashing lights warning

on the screens that everyone skips

[sinful bobcat]

It works with only FixedPatch

[steady imp]

i hate the fact that fixed enables liquidation

[steady imp]

it sure does..

[cursive cove]

So I'll try to simplify what I did, sorry.

1. download the dll from the github link.
2. download LLL on thunderstore.
3. replace the LLL dll file with the LLLbeta dll file.
4. Run game.
5. Turn debugging to All in config.
6. Download LLLfixed and disable LLL
   Works!

[steady imp]

i just got the v50 fixed

and it worke

[cursive cove]

yeah I was testing before adding the fixed, so it may work outright for ppl. I know ppl were using fixed recently since LLL broke but fixed wasn't working for me at all till now. idk why

I'll specify, fixed was causing the softlock just like LLL was, but thats not an issue anymore, softlock is gone

[steady imp]

maybe you had to wipe the config?

well idk honestly, i just got a new profile to test all this

[cursive cove]

Yeah someone said to regen the LLL config and that didn't work either

[cursive cove]

same

[halcyon ermine]

Ignore the animations, speed and wandering style

It will just be passive. Can't pick it up, doesn't have any value. Its just a crab

i dont know how to make it work as an item so it will just be passive

[steady imp]

someone wasnt patient enough for energy crabs to release.........

these look really cool, reminds me of rats in bunker

[halcyon ermine]

their very simple

[steady imp]

really adds to the

the whole you know

really nice

[fleet pilot]

Anyone else feel like the current version of CelestialTint is a little bit more framey outside the ship? (v49)

[bold compass]

hehe crab :]

[jaunty lintel]

Whats this

[tranquil tide]

oml that's so cute!!

we actually picked someone's idea up in biodiversity to add little useless ambiance creatures like these

[steady imp]

Literally v49 but fixed for v50

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zhelderon/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/

and has the same package name and description as lllf yeah

[jaunty lintel]

:/

[steady imp]

there was also your beta just uploaded to ts but it got taken down thankfully

[halcyon ermine]

lower framerate or higher?

[fleet pilot]

Just feels less stable, frame rate seems about the same. Just a little stutter (in v49)

[halcyon ermine]

crab

ignore the dead bird in the background

[fleet pilot]

Maybe it's fine on v50? I haven't switched yet🫣

[halcyon ermine]

i need to change some code from LevelTags to ContentTags. So it works, it just doesn't display the correct preview (in the lll beta)

[fleet pilot]

You got time to cook, I'm primarily waiting on a stable LLL release

[fleet pilot]

There's more tags now right?

[halcyon ermine]

there are. The next LLL update will change how they work so right now if you use LLL Beta it can act a bit strange

[fleet pilot]

What's the new tag list? I didn't see it in the doc

[halcyon ermine]

LevelTags still exist but are a Legacy system. ContentTags are new. They are a bit more advanced and are seperate from ExtendedLevel (in the unity editor for moon makers). They have more options as well (you can add a color right now)

[fleet pilot]

I meant like what are the new tags added?

[halcyon ermine]

in 1.1.10 i added Rocky and 1.1.12 i added Volcanic

https://github.com/sfDesat/Celestial-Tint/wiki/Adding-support-for-Celestial-Tint

there are previews there

[fleet pilot]

Ah I understand, just a new system. Not new tags themselves, you can just tag things whatever you want?

[halcyon ermine]

only moon makers can and that wont become a config option as far as i know

[fleet pilot]

Yeah that I know, I'm still new to the modder side of things😅

[halcyon ermine]

(i read the tags via LLL, which implements them)

[fleet pilot]

I thought the tags were a predetermined list😅

[halcyon ermine]

you could set the LevelTags in the ExtendedLevel as a list. I dont know yet how ContentTags are setup

[fleet pilot]

Yeah I'm not sure based off looking at the doc🙃

[halcyon ermine]

did batby make docs for LLL beta?

[barren flare]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B6B4tObAUxIQP-XW9dLPs11o74Mnp4bK81YeW7ecKU4/edit

[fleet pilot]

You beat me to it😂

[barren flare]

😇

[fleet pilot]

It's very wip

[halcyon ermine]

oh i dont even have all the dependencies lol

[halcyon ermine]

I made the code for the crab (Wandering Creature) public so other people can use it to. You can adapt it to any creature you want to have wandering around. #1212150109375037511 message

for modders ^

[steady imp]

@tropic pilot can you make little wandering coilheads on asteroid 13

[stray solstice]

thats really sick

[halcyon ermine]

and the sourcecode https://github.com/sfDesat/Aquatis/blob/main/Sourcecode/WanderingCreatureController.cs

i dont know how to animate so i dont know if i need to add anything in the code

[stray solstice]

you have an update, so not necessary i think

though something like the base game's DoAIInterval which ran once every 0.2 seconds (or whatever you specified in unity) was good since it was better for performance i think?

im actually not too sure on the actual need for DoAIInterval itself lol

@obtuse oxide would know :3

[obtuse oxide]

readability

[stray solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/mai-sakurajima-sakurajima-mai-thinking-anime-girl-thinking-gif-23732831

thats the only reason?

i mean, i guess it is a lot more readable

[obtuse oxide]

it also means the method is named the same thing for every enemy type but there is no actual benefit to that because they all use it privately

ie other classes should actually not be aware of that method, there is no benefit to that

[halcyon ermine]

thats fair, but the creature can wander around and stand still. Although i have a private bool isMoving

[obtuse oxide]

don't see how that's a 'but'

it's more of an aside

[halcyon ermine]

i changed my mind mid sentence

[wide ermine]

Little suggestion for aquatis, i recall there were coconuts added sometime and i think they should be a little hazard in a way that they would fall onto players from the palm trees

when they fall off they could be grabbable and sold for like 20 coins like the bee hive

[halcyon ermine]

thats a pretty good idea, if i can figure out how

[tranquil girder]

seconded. Aquatis seems a little too easy at times. nothin wrong with that, but easy can become pretty bland. glad yer fixin this with 🦀s tho

[covert pulsar]

I mean it IS intended to be an early game moon and with the new Baboon Hawk changes, there's now more of them to have to navigate around

[steady imp]

me with my shovel omw to aquatis with sellbodies installed to crash the economy

[tranquil girder]

very fair.

[covert pulsar]

If only Callisto wasn't abandoned then we've have an aquatic-like planet for every tier in the future

[steady imp]

what if aquatis had a single old bird stationed somewhere on the ship

[covert pulsar]

Could prob add Tulip Snakes to Aquatis if you wanted to extra stuffs

Occasional Old Bird would be interesting to see too

I'm more looking forward to seeing if Old Birds are added to a moon like Orion

[steady imp]

i've always looked at the ship and was kinda disappointed on how its just a decorative piece

[steady imp]

good luck running away from one on orion 😭

[covert pulsar]

Kills everything but the worms lmao

I'm NOT looking forward to Wesley trying to shove them into an interior lmao

[steady imp]

sadlyu theres nothing we can do about it

[covert pulsar]

Like if there was an interior with big open spaces for most of the major rooms, it wouldn't be as bad, but interiors currently are not well designed for really large enemies like that

[steady imp]

maybe theres a scaling option

but yeah you're right

[covert pulsar]

Like I'd like if there was at least 1 interior that's something like a lush cave with big open spaces to allow for most of the current outdoor enemies to actually work under

[halcyon ermine]

thats the plan

[halcyon ermine]

i need to do some testing, because this was the plan, but if they keep throwing you in the water its not that fun

[covert pulsar]

Fair, least it's not a map like Wesley's Gratar

Tulips on that map would NOT be fun with the looming threat of death pits everywhere

[tropic pilot]

:D

[covert pulsar]

... Oh no

[halcyon ermine]

Aquatis Beta v2.2.0

if you want to help me test the latest beta, follow these steps:

• Install Aquatis Beta from this link
• The beta requires LethalLevelLoader Beta to work, to install this go here and download the dll. Put this into the LethalLevelLoader folder, replacing the old dll.

Known Issues

• All the items that were placed around the map (shovel, boombox etc) are temporarily removed.
• Crabs have no animations nor sounds
• Audio problems when coming outside

Patchnotes

- v50 support
- Audio
  - Adjusted Audio Triggers
  - Added Ocean sound
  - Added High Wind sound
- Creatures
  - Added Crabs
  - Adjusted Outside Creature spawn curve
  - Baboonhawks spawn max is now 6
- Adjusted NavMesh
- Lighting
  - Added Eclipsed weather
  - Sunset is a little earlier
  - New Starmap
- New Quicksand texture

[bold compass]

wait what items around the map?

[halcyon ermine]

in the release version there is ||a boombox on the second island and a shovel near some rocks. as well as some metal scrap on the ship||

[bold compass]

oh interesting

[halcyon ermine]

secrets

[verbal hamlet]

Nice crabs 👍
Are they meant to walk straight instead of sideways?

[halcyon ermine]

that is an excellent point that i have somehow not thought about

[shut flicker]

Now make them rave

[verbal hamlet]

Honestly, make this an interaction with the disco ball 🎉

[slate blade]

Disco tiiime

[wide ermine]

im pretty sure you will be able to figure it out since you already figured out a lot of cool stuff

it seems pretty easy on paper but i dont know how hard would it be to implement into the game

even more when my smooth brain cannot comprehend how to install lll into unity

[halcyon ermine]

i'll try lol

[heady yarrow]

trying aquatis 2.1 and interior ambiance continues outside

the ||binoculars|| also give the grab prompt, but you can't pick them up

also this tree still makes the grass/sand sound effect when walking on it, unlike the others

the ship also makes the same effect

[wind minnow]

my boy is the map issue finder

[heady yarrow]

asdfgsgk

thanks lmfao

[latent pagoda]

the baboons feel like they spawn too frequently I had like 3 or 4 on me before I even stepped out of the ship

[near temple]

I used to have some of my friends complain about too many baboon hawks on Aquatis so I then started adding outdoor Yippees lol

[halcyon ermine]

thank you! i'll fix them

[halcyon ermine]

yeah v50 updated it so there can now spawn twice the amount of baboons per enemy power. Aquatis has 3 power so v49 only 3 could spawn, but in v50 6 can spawn. Giants need 3 power to spawn, so i need to figure out a good way of changing the balance

[covert pulsar]

The problem of too many Baboons I can only think of choosing one of these 2 to alleviate the issue:

1. Reduce power level to 2 and change the "Rare" other enemy to a different enemy such as Worm or Dog

2. Change the spawn curve so that they spawn later in the day, I think it's fine to have an early 2 but it does get overwhelming if the curve decides to give too many too early

I think adjusting the spawn curve prob is the way to go

[halcyon ermine]

yeah that is most likely the way i'll go, maybe i can modify the giant to make it take a power level of 2. but i doubt it

[heady yarrow]

No problem! Happy to help!

Apparently finding small map issues is my thing lol

[pure zinc]

I cannot stress this enough, if they're a scannable entry (which means they have a bestiary entry), it needs to just say "Crab."

[heady yarrow]

omg that’d be great

[tranquil girder]

"Crab"
"Crab."

[heady yarrow]

Made me think of this

[sullen olive]

TTP achievement aquired

[halcyon ermine]

new scaffolding

[lapis turret]

I'm getting this spammed on celest

[21:13:50.5042161] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5042161] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5042161] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5042161] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5042161] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5162750] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (1) is invalid
[21:13:50.5162750] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (1) is invalid
[21:13:50.5162750] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5162750] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5172745] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5172745] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5172745] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5172745] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5172745] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5172745] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (3) is invalid
[21:13:50.5193726] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (1) is invalid
[21:13:50.5193726] [Error : Unity Log] WaterSimulation.compute: Kernel at index (1) is invalid
[21:13:50.5193726] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid
[21:13:50.5193726] [Error : Unity Log] FourierTransform.compute: Kernel at index (2) is invalid

[hasty umbra]

are u gonna add spacestation and that other moon u made to ur Sf desat collection when theyre finished?

[sinful bobcat]

I would guess so

right now they're prototypes

Here's the LethalRichPresence image for spacestation btw lol

didn't have anything to showcase so I figured I'd just make the character dance in front of the ship lol

[hasty umbra]

sry to bother again but do u know if lc office works v50

and sdm doesnt right

[sinful bobcat]

it does

[hasty umbra]

nice

Scarlet mansion doesnt tho right

[sinful bobcat]

it doesn't

[hasty umbra]

ok

does More interiors?

lol sorry ur my encyclopedia atm

[sinful bobcat]

Haven't tried it, but having it enabled didn't cause a crash or something

[hasty umbra]

ok im done thanks lol

[sullen olive]

iirc batby was talking about the support for multiple interiors per moon.
With that feature the ship could have a whole separate interior

[clever night]

Hell yeah bring back the ship entrance!

[halcyon ermine]

very good idea

[halcyon ermine]

you cant go in yet, but i want to try some things

[clever night]

Yeah the boat definitely needs to be smoothed out a bit

[wraith elk]

Hey! Bit of an old issue i had but i thought I'd mention regardless before I start playing again (once LLL is updated)

Celest err.. never turns night time for me. Like I could've sworn it used to. But before I stopped (a day before v50 released) it just stopped going dark. The clock worked fine, the ship left when it was supposed to. The sun just never moved.

If this is a feature, its cool. But I highly doubt it was because the mod page never showed it as such anywhere else.

(Also my friends LOVE Celest btw. They think its super pretty)

[spare hearth]

aquatis becomes way to dark st night

pitch black

[halcyon ermine]

i'll have a look at it and thank you!

[wraith elk]

If it helps I THINK it started after I added WeatherTweaks to the modpack. The weather mod that makes it so it says thinks like "Unknown weather" or "Rainy/Stormy"

Though I'm unsure if its the actual cause. Just thats when I noticed it starting

[lucid juniper]

Also Space station if you have any kind of inside interior makes it soo bright as hell

[barren flare]

Hey, is the issue still happening? What's your modpack code?

[wraith elk]

I can next test when LLL is updated. Last time I played was a day before v50 release and was only happening on Celest.

Will give my code later once am properly awake ^^

[barren flare]

sure, no worries

i just had the exact issue reported yesterday and there's nothing on my end that could be causing that

so i'd really like to solve it 😅

[wraith elk]

018f0c11-68d4-c372-7e37-3644275c5862

heres the modpack code

some things to note:

This modpack was last played in v49 (you might notice there needs to be mod updates)
some mods were added and removed since in prep for v50 but WeatherTweaks & Celest are still there

and this modpack uses LLLFixed from V49 by Refract to fix desync issues in mutliplayer. It COULD be that causing it too. But I doubt as it would persist across all maps, no?

Regardless if you try it out, the thing to look out for would be Dogs spawning whilst it's still bright out and the clock saying it's night time (Time goes completely normal, the ship leaves on time, the sun just never goes down.)

[barren flare]

my latest releases (terminalformatter/weathertweaks(normal+beta) all work on v49/v50 and with all LLL versions out there

so it shouldn't be the issue 🤔

@wraith elk can you try doing this? #1206494982521753620 message

although if you had that issue before v50 it might not be that

[wraith elk]

honestly when I got onto Celest I was like "oh huh the sun never goes down? that's a neat feature. it's like a permanently sunny map?" then i realised "Oh wait I swear it used to have a night time"

ahaha

funny

I dont use Rosie moons xD

(No offense Rosie)

[barren flare]

this game is a bowl of spaghetti

so much could go wrong lol

[wraith elk]

I did try Rosie moons once, so if the config got stuck remembering them

[barren flare]

so should i test it on v49 or v50?

[wraith elk]

but the issues persisted beforehand

[wraith elk]

probably v49? or you can test v50 with one of the experimental LLL builds should work?

i havent tried launching the game since v50 release

just waiting on LLL update aha

[barren flare]

alright, from my testing today the time issue shouldn't happen (at least because of me 😓)

if it's gonna happen for you on v50 lmk and i'll dig deeper

[wraith elk]

Will do!

LLL v50 will release soonish anyway

[barren flare]

yeah, finally 😄

[hasty umbra]

what timezone is batby lol

cuz i think he said he wanted to release it in the morning

[barren flare]

australia

[hasty umbra]

ohhh makes sense now

its 2 pm here

[wraith elk]

i would not be shocked if he chooses not to release it for another day. There could by any number of problems crop up just before release

[barren flare]

many people are actively testing it & reporting the issues, so it should come in a very nice state 😅

[hasty umbra]

yo LLL updated

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine Celestial Tint update bls

c;

We need it

[wraith elk]

time to yeet myself to Celest

[hasty umbra]

i hope egypt gets updated now miss that moon

[sinful bobcat]

Author was working on an interior, don't know if that's still the case

[hasty umbra]

noice

[karmic fox]

In their server they mentioned that they would like to start working on the project again in may

[hasty umbra]

ok

[tranquil tide]

LLL LLL LLL LLL LLL GRAAAAH LLL WOOO YEAAAAH GGRGRGRHHGRHGH

https://tenor.com/view/sonicman06-dbz-z-broly-dbz-broly-broly-gif-23376307

[wraith elk]

Im going to test but i have a feeling I might not be able to replicate till WeatherTweaks/it's dependencies are updated

[wraith elk]

Welp, it still remaining sun filled. Though I honestly cant tell if its caused still by WT. Also.. I'm getting warnings for a lightning strike about to hit me VERY LATE

[halcyon ermine]

first Explorations

a lot of new moons to look at

[hasty umbra]

is celestial tint really bad for fps or is it just cause i play on a laptop lol

cuz i tried getting it in v49 and it was like 5fps so i just cant use it atm

[sinful bobcat]

didn't have any fps impact for me

[halcyon ermine]

it shouldnt really have any impact. It does require an extra 0.5 Gb vram. I'll try reducing it in the next version, but i cant promise anything

[hasty umbra]

yea my laptop is just really low on ram lol

[sinful bobcat]

vram not ram

vram is your gpu's memory

[hasty umbra]

oh

idk then im not a computer guy

[halcyon ermine]

in your task manager

[hasty umbra]

mines half yours lol

[halcyon ermine]

that is not a lot i think vanilla Lethal Company takes about 1.5-1.6 Gb. Other mods also probably add to it, plus the 0.5 Gb from Celestial Tint

You will probably reach the 4 Gb fairly quick depending on what else u're doing and the mods you have installed

I'll try to optimize Celestial Tint

[hasty umbra]

yea i use 60 mods lol

it is what it is, i get like 40-50 fps usually so its playable at least

[halcyon ermine]

Probably gonna add these two to Explorations modpack; Transmission and Siabudabu, both are snow moons

^ recommend if you want vanilla styled moons

[sinful bobcat]

Will you also update the moons with v50 spawns today?

[halcyon ermine]

cant promise that

[wraith elk]

@barren flare that mrov update should make the weather work again right?

can test later if Celest is still having the sun issue. Though honestly it was having it yesterday on and off.

[barren flare]

the terminal or the time issue?

[wraith elk]

oh no like WeatherTweaks I dont think was working at all. At least I have no idea. I dont have any time issues

Never did with the mod

[barren flare]

i'm in the process of fixing that

😇

but that lib update alone is not gonna do it

[wraith elk]

Aight ^^

@halcyon ermine I'm possibly gonna believe that Celests day night cycle is bugged even w/o weathertweaks. (As previously: Clock works fine, ship leaves when it is meant to, but the day never turns to night)

Also small small ask but: if you could make sinkholes a tiny bit more visible for Rainy Weather on Celest I'd super super love it xD

[wraith elk]

very bright

[vast shell]

tried going to spacestation not sure if this is an lll issue or spacestation

[hasty umbra]

hey will u make like a update log in this thread when spacestation (and teraspace) is no longer wip? (like your other moons) i wanna be ready to get it once its done

also idk if there is an ETA for it being finished but if there is lmk

[dark gorge]

hi I was wondering if there is anyone who can help me with my problem when i start playing in vanilla its normal but when i played with thunderstore i didint see any monster (when i going to terminal log and texting the "Bestiary" i dont see any name or info about it)

[halcyon ermine]

Aquatis [2.2.0]

• v50 support
• Audio
  • Adjusted Audio Triggers
  • Added Ocean sound
  • Added High Wind sound
  • Fixed tree sounding like grass
• Creatures
  • Added Crabs
  • Adjusted Outside Creature spawn curve
  • Baboonhawks spawn max is now 6
  • Increased Forestgiant spawn weight 3 > 4
• Adjusted NavMesh
• Lighting
  • Added Eclipsed weather
  • Sunset is a little earlier
  • New Starmap
• New Quicksand texture
• Enviroment
  • Ship has moved slightly
  • Added scaffolding