sfDesat's Moons and Mods

[stray solstice]

And the other one is for people that want more than a blue square :p

[rose roost]

@halcyon ermine I noticed that it's super bright on the interior of Aquatis compared to other moons' interiors

here's a screenshot I took on experimentation's interior for example

(I also have Diversity's full darkness setting set to 50% if that's important)

[halcyon ermine]

Aquatis [2.0.3]

• Fixed interior lighting

Thunderstore will take a moment to update

[halcyon ermine]

done, thank you

[rose roost]

Ah yes, darkness beyond my comprehension

[halcyon ermine]

beautiful eternal darkness

[rose roost]

[south bloom]

hello darkness my old friend

[wanton vessel]

That's even cooler

ahah

[gaunt ingot]

[halcyon ermine]

in regards to the stuttering of Celestial Tint, can you try updating your drivers? Because I am trying to use a Performance Profiler and nothing is really out of the ordinary. Graphics Rendering appears to only have a small impact on performance

[glacial lintel]

checking in to say goated mods

[halcyon ermine]

thank you

[rocky sundial]

any progress on animating the moons with celestial tint?

[quaint holly]

Animating?

[frigid topaz]

I never had issues, my friend who plays on a laptop did though

[halcyon ermine]

working on it

Sneakpeak from the spacestation interior (made by Tolian)

[trim stream]

Y’all both do such amazing jobs at this stuff

[shut flicker]

looks like a completely different game

[sinful bobcat]

Curious to see an in-game screenshot of what it looks like

[quaint holly]

Probably because it's at native res.

[twilit hare]

wait what is this, new interior?

[gusty lily]

i dont really understand what the problem is. it might be not your moon that causes the problem but maybe someone understands whats happening here :/

[sinful bobcat]

Unrelated but are you using HDLethalCompany only for resolution?

[gusty lily]

resolution and fog

[sinful bobcat]

Ah ok, because I would have suggested you to use LCUltrawide instead as it looks better

[gusty lily]

might help with the error. ill test it.
i also just run a quick test and for vanilla moons and a different custom moon this error does not appear but on aquatis.

[frigid topaz]

I mean you can disable the resolution stuff from HDLC and use it just for increasing fog quality

[fleet pilot]

The interior for Space Station 😄

[gusty lily]

tbh i dont like having to many mods and still here i am with 90 mods in total :x

[frigid topaz]

Mod count doesn't matter it's whather or not mods are optimized or not that matters

I used to like not going too far above 80 but once I finally hit 100 I stopped caring

lol

[heady yarrow]

It looks freaking awesome!!!

[heady yarrow]

Well it can impact boot times

[frigid topaz]

That's why AsyncLoggers is a thing

Among other things ofc

[heady yarrow]

Oh right I forgot that released

Wait that affects boot times??

[frigid topaz]

It improves performance by a huge amount but also improves boot times

Yes

[heady yarrow]

Yooo

I don’t even know that

[visual saddle]

I know it's probably not Celestial Tint causing this but its the only way I have seen it happen:
I host a game and sometimes my mates dont have the celestial features. (They dont see the planet but just black).
If that is the case and they go to the terminal they cant get out of ot anymore. Escape isnt working, I think they said that the terminal tells them to use Tab oder Enter to leave it but they dont work either. Therefore I gotta kick my mates or they even have to relaunch the game

No clue why this happens but it happened only when the skybox of celestial tint didnt show up so thats a starting point to find out what could be causing that maybe

LobbyControl was not in use at that time

[frigid topaz]

If you're using LGU it has a bug right now when using LEC

probably that

[visual saddle]

That could be it then thanks

[gusty lily]

works better now thx :)

[sinful bobcat]

That was the issue?

[gusty lily]

seems so. but now it feels like its not getting dark. ill test it on the next few moons

[gusty lily]

so on Aquatis its not getting dark outside. i dont know if that is just an issue by my side or if thats intended. other moons work fine and get dark during night.
and HDLethalCompany worked fine before with Aquatis but i will continue using LCUltrawide since it looks better. I dont know what have been changed xD

[vast shell]

any updates on space station is it getting finished or just there to see if moons like this work?

[tranquil tide]

seems like they're expanding upon it a ton #1198736199297286196 message

[vast shell]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/sfDesat/Spacestation/

i meant this one i didnt know that was a thing?!?!?!?!?

[tranquil tide]

i mean i assume the spacestation moon's getting expanded to have its own interior

[pure zinc]

The interior is being worked on specifically in relation to that moon, with the intent of having the interior spawn above the station so you can see it from the outside when you land (which I think will be neat)

But right now I think most of the focus has been on the interior + updates and bug fixing on the main moons, so the actual space station moon hasn’t received as much attention since it got into a stable state. The two are linked though, so it’s probably getting updates behind the scenes that just haven’t translated into updated on TS because of the interior

[tranquil girder]

that's... incredible.

[halcyon ermine]

How dark is it for you? There is a moon in the sky that is supposed to light it up a bit. Can you send a screenshot if you have the time and want to?

[halcyon ermine]

that is pretty much all correct. Although the spacestation itself will take a bit longer than thought. So it is likely the interior will be out before the spacestation. And yes the idea is to have the interior linked to the spacestation

[halcyon ermine]

I think (untested) the problem is that HDLethalCompany tries messing with the fog and the fog is setup a bit different on my moons. Idk if this is the problem though

[jaunty lintel]

it is i think yeah

matt had problems with it too

one of its checks isnt null safe

[frigid topaz]

Yeah HDLethalCompany touches a lot of stuff it shouldn't from what I understand, and it's been generally recommended to start using LCUltrawide set to 1080p instead to avoid conflicts

I know the dev of Mirage got screen flickering when he was testing my old pack that included HDLC, and it stopped once he removed it

[heady yarrow]

It sucks bc I’d love to use its features to decrease pop-in with its LOD setting, but from what I’ve heard it messes up fog even on default settings

[halcyon ermine]

I got it working. it's definitely still wip

[frigid topaz]

Ayyyy

My friend should like this cus without Celestial Tint he was like "Bruh the ship didn't even move" 😆

[halcyon ermine]

yeah it looks a bit weird without. I have to fix some things and then I'll update it. I also hope I fixed the stuttering

[frigid topaz]

Hope so did you figure out what was causing that for some people?

[wanton vessel]

Looks great

[halcyon ermine]

I have put the shader in a more compatibile format. It is a tiny bit heavier on performance, but should be more compatible with some peoples computers

[pulsar heath]

That looks cool! But if I may add something to this, I would recommend on ease-in-out when leaving the moon and ease-out-in when entering the new moon. Plus, if you wanna make the transition to have not pitch black during the progress, I highly suggest you add fade white and while it loads to new moon, make it white background (if possible) instead of black. That way it kinda looks abit science accurate since we will blinded by the light when we’re approaching to the speed of light.

[halcyon ermine]

good idea. Idk how to do it yet, but i'll figure something out

[pulsar heath]

Again, this is just a suggestion ✌️

[sinful bobcat]

Don't know if that's possible but maybe you could do it like hyperspeed

[halcyon ermine]

I could try that. I think something close to that already exists in the base game

[gaunt ingot]

I wonder how much would break if you tried to delay that moon prefab unloading during the leave animation

The vanilla animation is like 6 seconds, but it cuts out after only a couple from the moon being deleted into a black screen

If you could have it swap out instead of deleting, waiting, then loading the new one, there wouldn't be a black transition at all

[shut flicker]

YES

[bold compass]

always sunny in aquatis 😌 what a nice place

[quaint holly]

Are you on ultrawide?

[halcyon ermine]

I think it is referencing the sun animations from celest lol. It will get dark if you have celest installed. I'll fix it in the next update

I kinda like the dirt and rocky textures, maybe i'll add some more stone area's

[gusty lily]

yes

[gusty lily]

dont have that one installed cause we didnt like how fast u can get lost there xD also (on stormy) u wont find back your items when dropped in the grass :D

[sinful bobcat]

why aren't you playing with an ultrawide res?

[gusty lily]

cause when i do it looks really bad

[quaint holly]

Have some respect for yourself and get LCUltrawide.

[quaint holly]

What?

[gusty lily]

hang on i do a screenshot

[quaint holly]

Looking forward to it.

[halcyon ermine]

the sun doesn't set on bird land

[gusty lily]

Settings in LCUltrawide 2560x1440

[quaint holly]

You don't need to edit width

Height is enough

Width will adapt, leave it at 0

[gusty lily]

Settings in LCUltrawide 3440x1440

[quaint holly]

Leave width at 0

[gusty lily]

so 0 and 1440 for height?

[quaint holly]

Yes.

[quaint holly]

Restart the game

[paper stirrup]

I've found leaving both at 0 for auto scaling does just fine. If you're using HDLethalCompany as well, disable the ResFix in its config, as LCUW seems to do the same thing

[quaint holly]

I guess they don't like pixelated aesthetic.

If you do though, just leave both at 0, yeah.

[gusty lily]

restarting rn but a quick question.. march on foggy shouldnt look like this right?

[quaint holly]

Why do you still have black bars?

Do you have hdlc or something?

[gusty lily]

cause its booting up. did the screenshot before closing the game ^^

[gusty lily]

no

[quaint holly]

Looks normal

[frigid topaz]

LCUltrawide should remove the black bars

[paper stirrup]

That's kinda how any map looks foggy

[frigid topaz]

Nah only Vow and March are that hard to see on when Foggy

[paper stirrup]

The entire point of that weather is not being able to see shit

[frigid topaz]

Experimentation and Titan are basically free when Foggy

[quaint holly]

Exp is free because you just go forward

[paper stirrup]

Titan exterior is always free regardless

[quaint holly]

Still can't see shit

[frigid topaz]

Nah I can see just fine on Foggy Experimentation

[lapis turret]

You should make it slower and when it leaves the planet add hyperspeed

[frigid topaz]

March and Vow it's basically keep scanning for main entrance door

LOL

[paper stirrup]

Anyone who thinks Titan exterior on Eclipsed is hard clearly doesn't know the walkie purchase strat

[frigid topaz]

I mean tbf Titan is hard usually due to Giants not so much dogs

But FairGiants helps a lot

lol

[paper stirrup]

Never even heard of that mod lol

[frigid topaz]

FairGiants makes Giants wander more rather than standing right next to the ship constantly

and actually properly implements the fix for them ship camping

cus the v47 "fix" does nothing

[gusty lily]

@quaint holly restarting worked fine and the black bars are gone thx :)

[quaint holly]

If hud ever gets wonky due to mods or something, set hud aspect to 1.77 in LCUW config.

[gusty lily]

ok

[paper stirrup]

I mean, Vow you just head straight right from the ship and go a little to the right so you don't full sprint off a cliff, March just go towards the 1:30 position, if the way the door is facing is 12:00, and then towards the 10:30 position

[frigid topaz]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LegoMaster3650/FairGiants/ essential mod tbh

[paper stirrup]

It's only if you're going for March fire exits that it's easy to get lost

But you have pretty straight shots to main

[paper stirrup]

Will look into it, especially since I'm rebuilding my modpack

@frigid topaz if you have any more essential fix/performance mods please DM them my way 🙏

[frigid topaz]

I mean in terms of performance mods, NutrackerFixes, PathfindingLagFix, AsyncLoggers, StarlancerAIFix, CullFactory

[jaunty lintel]

I think it would be really fun once i get dynamic ship positions working nicely to random rotate the entire map by 90o every round to make it feel more different and make fog harder

[frigid topaz]

lol fog is already pain though 😆

[halcyon ermine]

that would be very cool

[paper stirrup]

Got all of those, NutcrackerFixes I needed cuz of ammo/safety desync because my team is a bunch of lunatics and have had a grand total of 587 scrap items on the ship at 1 time

[copper linden]

Dust Clouds my beloved: fog but better

[frigid topaz]

NoMorePush by Woecust is essential if you no longer want player collisions when in larger groups

Once you have more than 4 people on the ship that gets very annoying

Lol

I also love Immersive Visor

Having rain effects and stuff happen on the screen is something you can't live without once you have it

XD

[paper stirrup]

48 of these were shotguns

[paper stirrup]

I actually use Clear First Person cuz the visor bogs down FPS

[frigid topaz]

You can disable the visor with Immersive Visor

[paper stirrup]

I'm also visually impaired, so the less effects I have obscuring my view the better

[frigid topaz]

Ahhh Gotcha

Personally I recommend FOV_Adjust with the visor turned off over ClearFirstPerson cus ClearFirstPerson tends to throw errors in the game logs

[gusty lily]

@halcyon ermine what I also noticed on Aquatis is that the baboon hawks tend to camp as a group of three at the main entrance. is there a chance to let them roam more and be less likely to camp the main entrance? :D

[paper stirrup]

Only error I've had is during startup before actually loading into a session, no errors after that

[paper stirrup]

Time to bring stun grenades

[frigid topaz]

Ahhh okay okay I got you

[paper stirrup]

I'll look into FOV Adjust though

Might be real cool with ultrawide

[frigid topaz]

Honestly I will say there is a benefit Immersive Visor has with the rim disabled, and you can probably disable the other effects too if you don't like them. It doesn't seem to cause the screen to become darker like the other mods that disable the visor do, I need to test if it also fixes the fog flickering stuff on Rend too that is caused by other mods that disable it

Cus if so then that is a huge benefit tbh

[paper stirrup]

Ngl I thought the fog flickering was just a bunch of blowing snow blocking light in waves lmao

[halcyon ermine]

I can't really change their AI. I think they choose a camp (their nest) somewhere. Then stay there and occationally wander further around. I dont know exactly how they work

[frigid topaz]

😆 nah it's a bug with other mods that disable the visor for some reason

[copper linden]

I use a little mod called DisableHelmetVisor

[frigid topaz]

I'mma test rn if it's fixed with Immersive Visor having it off

[frigid topaz]

Does that one have the fog flickering bug though?

[wanton vessel]

Try to eliminate them

[gusty lily]

I see. yesterday we couldnt get our scraps from their and all died trying xD

[paper stirrup]

Ping me with results, I'm at work (but it's dead) so attention is mildly split

[gusty lily]

hard without any cash for shovels xD

[copper linden]

Haven't had issues but all my LC time recently has been from modding unfortunately so maybe I just never got to notice

[frigid topaz]

Speaking of Rend

it's so bright 😆

[gusty lily]

for fog - is there any mod that lowers the intensitivity? cause i dont want to play completely without fog but also dont want to play with 0 vision like here xD

[copper linden]

I wish ^

[frigid topaz]

Yeah no screen flickering with it

😄

[halcyon ermine]

this is more closely how I want it to look.

[paper stirrup]

Noted, will try it out when I'm home

[copper linden]

less bloom stronger normals basically

[frigid topaz]

Let me try the mod SSencipe mentioned

[copper linden]

Hopefully you find a good balance for it visually

[paper stirrup]

However, something to note is that I also have post processing turned off in HDLC, so idk if that'll affect anything

[copper linden]

Lmk I guess, need to clean up my mods anyways

[frigid topaz]

I don't use HDLC personally, there is another mod that disables Post Processing too lol

[paper stirrup]

Makes the game look so much better imo

[paper stirrup]

Did the one Ssen mentioned have the fog flickering?

[copper linden]

Oh god I killed Lunx 😭

[frigid topaz]

I ended up not using it but looking into it theoretically it shouldn't have it, it does the same thing as the option in immersive visor where it just disables the post processing effect for the visor rim

If it does though all the features of immersive visor can be turned off and immersive visor for sure doesn't have it

[halcyon ermine]

DAMN. I just spend 2 hours trying to debug why the planet didn't show when i load up the game. Turns out I had the wrong r2modman profile open in file explorer

one of those days

[gaunt ingot]

[quick sky]

2 hours??? 😭

[halcyon ermine]

Anyway this is how it looks right now. I want to push it as an update to see if it even works and make it look better later. Also hope I fixed the stutter issue.

[quick sky]

fire?

bro i love how the ship actually moves faster than light logically

[halcyon ermine]

the video stuttered. It didn't stutter in-game

[halcyon ermine]

I know I still have to polish it a lot

[quick sky]

nah even in vanilla were going across solar systems and stuff and it all takes the same time around like 6 seconds lol

[wind minnow]

Black screen

[halcyon ermine]

I dont think I can do anything about that. I will try some things later

[frigid topaz]

Could probably do something small like @sinful bobcat suggested earlier for that small black transition, or have the stars there but no planet in sight for that small part where the screen is black

[halcyon ermine]

I think the problem is that when switching planets, the SelectableLevel (holds the data from the planet you're orbiting) gets deloaded. This also unloads the prefabs I use to show the planet outside the ship. It will require some intense work arounds to remove the black transition. I will try eventually but not right now

[frigid topaz]

I wonder if @gaunt ingot has any suggestions

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.5]

• Added planet transition animations
• Fixed some stutters
• Increased planet texture quality

[frigid topaz]

my only other guess would be that maybe you turn the stars into a skybox so they don't despawn

[halcyon ermine]

There is probably a way to do it. It's just difficult

[frigid topaz]

Well could also make it so instead of the screen turning black it turns white probably, if that's possible

just to add to the effect of traveling at the speed of light

Lol

[lapis turret]

Can you make it slower

[frigid topaz]

I think it's perfect as is

[covert pulsar]

Can confirm Aquatis is referencing Celest's sun animations, just tried it with both moons installed and it's now working

[wind minnow]

Discord mobile the stable platform

[frigid topaz]

I hate the mobile app tbh, the new ui has been out for months and it's still slow as fuck lol

[bold compass]

i turned off updates

nothing has been added that i actually care about so im still on the old layout

[frigid topaz]

Well....

Security updates and new features are a thing

Lol

So it's not good to stick to outdated versions

[bold compass]

if they add a single feature worth having maybe i'll consider it but literally all i'm missing is that i can't react with some of the newer emojis

[halcyon ermine]

Aquatis [2.0.4]

• Fixed day-night cycle

2.000.000 + 3.000.000 🎉

[heady yarrow]

Congrats!

[quick sky]

das a lot

congrats

[dusky lake]

awesome!

[wanton vessel]

congrats🎉

[hearty solstice]

Congrats, very deserved

Cool that they hit their milestones so close together

[halcyon ermine]

thank you!

[tranquil girder]

excellent moons deserve excellent recognition. dont have anything to recognize it with, but nonetheless

[gaunt ingot]

Woo!

[dire herald]

ay what's this mean

[quick sky]

@halcyon ermine yooo congrats! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_O3rmssvA&ab_channel=TheViperian

[quick sky]

it means its not used anymore

aka u can delete it

[dire herald]

oh neat

[dire herald]

also YOU EARNED IT DUDE

rn doing an aquatis only solo run

[quick sky]

tho he showed ship windows

while advertising ur mod lol

[gaunt ingot]

That's an oops hahaha

[dire herald]

my boyfriend plays lethal with me sometimes and Aquatis is the only modded map he likes. Very simple and well executed

[gaunt ingot]

I imagine it might be an older recording since ship windows disables that skybox if celestial tint is installed

[quick sky]

ye ik

[livid arrow]

Just an update to show the main stutter still exists. Loaded into a fresh save.

[frigid topaz]

What stutter?

[south bloom]

just so u know.. having ur ship cameras at high resolution + fps will reduce ur own fps

[livid arrow]

watch the dark parts of the cloud.

[frigid topaz]

Ah

I still get no issues with it

[livid arrow]

there are some jumps.

It happens when doing any activity

[frigid topaz]

Like I said for me I have no problems

[livid arrow]

I do not believe they are at high resolution? Hmm... Does it look like they are?

[livid arrow]

oh interesting.

[south bloom]

and u also have HDLethalCompany?

[frigid topaz]

Previous version gave me no performance issues either but for my friend it did

It really seems to be hardware based

[livid arrow]

no. LCUltrawide

[plucky stream]

have you tried testing with just celestial tint and its dependencies

[frigid topaz]

It seems to be a hardware based thing, it might take a few updates to fix the stutters for some

Which means I'm likely gonna have to remove it from my pack again

v.v

[plucky stream]

why not stay on v1.1.2, shouldn't have the stutters

[frigid topaz]

Cus my friends always update mods

[plucky stream]

ah

😂

[livid arrow]

I could, but there are no errors. I am sure it would improve as there would be less demand on the game. But I need it to work in the pack I have it in now.

[livid arrow]

so true.

[south bloom]

even a fresh modpack with only celestial tint will give u the same issues?

[plucky stream]

should be the case

[livid arrow]

I have yet to try. I plan to just disable it and wait.

[south bloom]

mods are finicky. u never know when another mod is causing an issue.

like i thought ModelReplacementAPI was breaking thicc company suits in VR cause it kept spamming the console. turned out TooManyEmotes was the culprit. 😂

[frigid topaz]

Well the vr mod is very unsupported by other mods

[south bloom]

but if u still have the same issue with solo mod.. then yeah maybe it is a hardware based issue

[south bloom]

yeah i was mindful of this as i made my modpack

[livid arrow]

I am running older hardware as well. I am on the 2070 super 😛

[south bloom]

toomanyemotes has a compatibility patch with LCVR

but turned out that patch borked things with ModelReplacementAPI

[frigid topaz]

Well

ModelReplacementAPI causes a lot of issues as a whole

It's why I just don't use it

I'm waiting for the Femmployee mod to come out which isn't gonna use it

[south bloom]

only issue besides the VR thing is it not showing up on masked enemies. its been pretty solid besides those two issues.

[livid arrow]

oh cool

[frigid topaz]

Cosmetics don't work well with it like at all

[livid arrow]

Will this alow you to choose a gender in game?

or just make everyone female?

[frigid topaz]

I don't quite know the scope of how it's gonna work yet

I know they said they're close to getting it to be a beta release though

[livid arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-boy-or-girl-gif-10636092

[south bloom]

they've worked pretty fine and all my friends had no issue with it. could be certain cosmetics mod i guess.

[frigid topaz]

mostly head and face cosmetics don't sit right

if you're emoting then they just kind of slide around

[livid arrow]

My experience with Lethal Company is everything is fine. Until it isn't.

It likes to explode when you touch unrelated things.

[south bloom]

💥

[livid arrow]

I would like to add a new item.

Suit rack explodes....

Let's add a new moon.

Monitors die.

One of the first few versions of Lobby Control turned all my monitors bright white.

[frigid topaz]

You seem to always be having issues with your pack though

and thinking it's Matty's mods

😂

[livid arrow]

Well my scope is quite large.

I am making a mega modpack.

[frigid topaz]

I have 119 mods right now

😂

[livid arrow]

And trust me I do not annoy just Matty. Ask @barren flare and @wanton vessel

[frigid topaz]

Cus I just added SirenHead due to Xu helping them fix the bug with it walking into the ship

[livid arrow]

omg it is fixed?!

Woot!

[frigid topaz]

Yeah the 1.2.3 update should have it fixed

[livid arrow]

also

[frigid topaz]

Bruh

No wonder your game always has problems

Wtf

[livid arrow]

I am not one for small challenges.

hahahaha

This is going to be a banger modpack.

I plan to usurp TMLC

[covert pulsar]

Pictured: Source when they learn there's a new mod they can add to that behemoth pack

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-cat-fast-gif-19144023

[livid arrow]

Basically.....

[frigid topaz]

Btw I've seen some say that the scraps in Lethal Things are unoptimized, I've been fighting with which ones I should disable to free up some performance for my group

Maybe Dirty Arson, Toimari, and Hamis?

[livid arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-basil-gif-21424068

And all my friends are my poor testers..

[frigid topaz]

🤣

[livid arrow]

They love hate me

Everyday they get on. Lets play! Well after 3hrs of tests sure!

@frigid topaz
I have been making serious progress thanks to @hearty solstice

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fmx6bCUXNcNZoq1NoyNLNFAHlbpo55fHy1gVilsUNhM/edit?usp=sharing

[rose roost]

Yeah, definitely feel like it's a hardware issue because I'm still getting the stutters

[livid arrow]

This spreadsheet is godly

I cannot imagine life without it anymore.

[rose roost]

I hope one of the unoptimized ones isn't Gnarpy 😭

I love gnarpy sm

[frigid topaz]

Yeah

Dirty Arson, Toimari, and Hamis are probs my least faves

Cookie is my favorite

[rose roost]

The fitnessgram pacer test-

[frigid topaz]

😂

[rose roost]

I swear that's the most common voice line I get from her

[frigid topaz]

The Glizzy is probably the funniest one

I love getting it stuck to the ship ceiling

Lmfao

[livid arrow]

haha easyidle pointed out my prices on the chart are mixed up haha

[south bloom]

its hard to notice with lethal's vanilla resolution. but i noticed morecompany cosmetics dont seem to have LODs.

[livid arrow]

Vow at 1750.

[frigid topaz]

The Revolver is probably one that could be disabled, it's almost always never worth anything

It's like always 14

Lol

[south bloom]

it just stays the same high detail even from far away.. but the suit will go to lower detail

[livid arrow]

So from what I am testing with this. Is that it seems that wether they are disabled or not they are still loaded into the game.

Someone had mentioned that when they disabled the store items. Sales and other info mods still found them even if they were unlisted.

So if there truly is a problem with the mod at some point it may just have to be removed from your pack.

[frigid topaz]

I remember someone saying disabling all the scraps provided a fps benefit

I'd remove LethalThings if there were some good alternatives for some of it's things honestly

like you can't replace Boomba 🥺

[covert pulsar]

Ye fr fr, my favorite from that mod is the Flare Gun but golly is it spotty to use :/

[frigid topaz]

teleporter traps are sort of buggy though, especially when using CullFactory lol

[frigid topaz]

AbandonedCompanyAssets has a flare gun that might be more reliable

lol

[covert pulsar]

o, I've yet to look into that mod

[south bloom]

didnt realize lethalthings could be detrimental to fps. i will be mindful of that.

[frigid topaz]

From what I've been told Cookie is actually the most unoptimized scrap

Lol

[covert pulsar]

Oh wait I see Emergency Flares from it 🤔

[frigid topaz]

But I can't disable Cookie

XD

[south bloom]

ill just make the spawn rate 0

[frigid topaz]

That disables Cookie

just set scraps in it you don't like that much to 0

[rose roost]

gonna test if I still get the stutters on a fresh profile with just Celestial Tint. If I do, it's 100% a hardware issue on my end. A gaming laptop gpu can only do so much regardless of whether it is celestial tint or not😭

okay, yeah, still getting the stutters

[frigid topaz]

Okay I'll take Celestial Tint out of my pack then

v.v

I really wanna keep it

[rose roost]

mhm, me too

[livid arrow]

Right!

[livid arrow]

one day we will be able to keep it.

[wind minnow]

skill issue\

[wind minnow]

it lowers my fps by like 20% on average but I dont stutter

[rose roost]

I get the fps drop + the stutters

skill issue on my part tbh

[livid arrow]

Shots fired.

[hexed rose]

Holy crap that's scary. And it's gotta be like Warp 3 while you can see the moon leaping up to warp infinity for getting to the new orbit.

[small wigeon]

Indeed I did

Turned out one of the fog objects that I didn't want in my scene was missing and HDLC was freaking out about it

[barren flare]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-confused-wake-up-squinting-gif-4201426486566488898

[livid arrow]

lol wtf is this cursed gif haha

[halcyon ermine]

@rose roost and @livid arrow can you try updating your graphics card drivers? And can you send your pc specs so I know what hardware is having issues

[halcyon ermine]

nice. it is indeed ShipWindows' skybox lol

I guess I have held off updated Explorations to long. There are a lot of new moons it seems. https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1219708489086271568 and https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1220150831249100851. Are there any more?

[heady yarrow]

I have a list of all of the LLL moons

I’ll update it in a few and then send it

[livid arrow]

oh cool me too me too!

[livid arrow]

Updated drivers.

Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64-bit
CPU
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
Matisse 7nm Technology
RAM
64.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 1056MHz (15-15-15-36)
Motherboard
Micro-Star International Co. Ltd. MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI (MS-7C37) (AM4)
Graphics
27GL850 (2560x1440@144Hz)
SAMSUNG (2560x1440@120Hz)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER (Gigabyte)

[young junco]

can anyone tell why celestial tint mod is showing just a void orbit

[heady yarrow]

ALL LLL MOONS:

Orion
Aquatis
10-E Gypt
Secret Labs
16-Dust2
Atlas Abyss
42-Auralis
Celest
2-Ganimedes
15-MAOY School
Outpost 31
Relay Station
27-Triskelion
9-Celestria
153-Maritopia
33-EchoReach
Bozoros
130-Gorgonzola
59-Affliction
PsychSanctum
74-Solace
PengCity
Gordion Sect-0
Spacestation
Sandover Village
93-Harloth
Magic Mountain
201-Catalyst
IKEA
Kaldor
38-Crest
Mycordytum
127-Eve
34-Nyx
37-Zenit
69-Mantif
129-Sierra

[halcyon ermine]

thank you

[heady yarrow]

No problem! ^-^

[halcyon ermine]

did the updated driver fix anything?

[heady yarrow]

Also bruh MANTIF changed from 81 to 69

[halcyon ermine]

Can you send a screenshot

[heady yarrow]

this mf has 64GB of RAM

[halcyon ermine]

yeah how the hell is this guy having stutters with his pc specs

[heady yarrow]

Ohh I think I see the issue

Also running two 1440p monitors at 144Hz and 120Hz

With a 2070

[barren flare]

😟

[heady yarrow]

Oh wait that’s a 2070 Super

Okay nvm still weaker than the 3070

[halcyon ermine]

btw your ram is running very slow. You should enable XMP

[heady yarrow]

I can have trouble consistent hitting those higher framerates in LC

And I have a Ryzen 7 5700G, 32GB RAM, and an RTX 3070.

Playing on a 2560x1080 100Hz monitor (with a 1920x1080 TV as my second screen)

and I can absolutely dip depending on the situation— I remember when I first tried TMLC I was hitting the 40s sometimes

Unfortunately the game is just very unoptimized (admittedly it’s in early access so you can’t blame it too harshly)

[livid arrow]

Yeah, I caught that when I linked the specs. I was surprised it was not on haha.

Will do so when I restart in a few

[heady yarrow]

The amount of people that don’t realize they need to manually bump their refresh rate in windows settings is painful

There’s probably many people with like 144Hz monitors running at 60Hz

[livid arrow]

Oh I know.

haha

[heady yarrow]

I’ve seen posts of people saying they’ve been using a monitor for years without realizing

[livid arrow]

Looks like it is miss reporting the ram speed. It's actually 2133.

Will check for stutter now.

[halcyon ermine]

did it fix anything?

[livid arrow]

sadly no.

[halcyon ermine]

Unrelated, I have redesigned the sfDesat modpack. It is now a collection of all my moons.

[hexed rose]

Cool list gonna check it against mine.
I realized that setting a non-duplicated number for a moon is as easy as just searching it in the thunderstore... But only if the moon isn't hidden in a package. (Yet another reason for modders to list all of their moons individually in addition to having a package mod for them) Edit: well only works if everyone sets a number for their immersive moons. IKEA doesn't need one.

[hexed rose]

This is related to my interests.
damn that's an old meme

[jaunty lintel]

whats this abt

[hexed rose]

Some dudes were fussing about the numbers before moon names and avoiding any being repeated

[rose roost]

Graphics driver already updated

Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64-bit
CPU
11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11800H @ 2.30GHz
RAM
Kingston FURY Impact 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MT/s DDR4
Motherboard
TGL Scala_TLS (laptop motherboard idk)
Graphics
Internal Display (1920x1080@144Hz)
ED270R M ([email protected])
4096MB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine What I'd like to know is why 1.1.2 is reported to not have the stutters, cus that's the update where you introduced the performance improvements 🤔 was it something to do with the view distance fix or planet visual change in 1.1.3 maybe?

I can't understand what might have changed after that might have introduced issues for some lol

[plucky stream]

what about the dynamicculling.dll introduced in v1.1.3?

has that been tested

like with/without

[bold compass]

fixed the issue, nevermind

[plucky stream]

tested without dynamicculling.dll and still the same, so ig its not in there

[halcyon ermine]

You sure 1.1.2 is fine? because that is the update where I switched from cubemaps to shaders.

It's just weird that it happens every 3-5 sec. That makes no sense. After testing I noticed that the graphics only account for a small fraction of the performance load when in orbit, like 15-25%. The rest is from scripts and whatnot.

[halcyon ermine]

ok so its definitely not because of bad/old hardware

[plucky stream]

for me and my group 1.1.2 is fine, everything after is stutter

[halcyon ermine]

how strange. I'll do more testing

[jaunty lintel]

might be shader stutter

Are they your own custom shaders?

[halcyon ermine]

yeah, but i dont know why 1.1.2 is fine, because that is when i introduced the shader

[halcyon ermine]

yeah using shadergraph

[plucky stream]

what exactly are the differences between 1.1.2 and 1.1.3

[jaunty lintel]

Yeee so you gotta keep in mind assetbundles do a way shittier job of precompiling shaders than a full game build

Just got in bed but i can show you some code that will maybe help / if you can try loading in that shader on rm awake in some form

Doesn’t have to be visual but to try and get the game to compile them a lil

[halcyon ermine]

its a very simple shader

[jaunty lintel]

Video games are stupid

I could be wrong but worth considering as a lead

also zeekers post processing shaders are ran ontop of it which could maybe make it more expensive than it seems?

[halcyon ermine]

I dont think it touches my shader, I'm pretty sure it only touches certain opaque object

[fair dagger]

For me Selectial Tint causing GPU to die

[halcyon ermine]

what did you use to measure it?

[fair dagger]

unity profiler with unity debugger

[fair dagger]

on my RX 580, but my friends with RTX 3060 still get the same stutters

[restive minnow]

oh ye forgot to mention but the switch to shaders kills my potatoe friend's frames too, can't even speak on the ship anymore and gets about 1 frame per 3 seconds

but I'm still fine along with others

nothing much you can do tho I presume so we've just had to not use it anymore 😔

[bold compass]

fwiw i played yesterday and looking in the direction of dropship made it super slow

but only when i was looking that way

[halcyon ermine]

how much ram and vram does he have?

[halcyon ermine]

played what? Aquatis? and where were you standing

[bold compass]

yeah, aquatis

[halcyon ermine]

where did you stand roughly

[bold compass]

just on the island, if i looked towards the ship it started lagging, specifically i was like between dropship and main entrance but it was fairly consistent throughout

i can try and get a recording hang on

[halcyon ermine]

if you could that would be very handy

[bold compass]

hmm, it doesn't seem to be happening anymore. maybe it was some strange conflict in multiplayer or something

all the better i guess

[restive minnow]

i5 11th gen and 8gb of ram, no gpu

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine Hope you can finally figure out what's happening with Celestial Tint, I do really wanna readd it to my pack 😅

[wind minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[restive minnow]

😭

[halcyon ermine]

same lol

[halcyon ermine]

ok thanks for trying

[cursive nimbus]

hi with Celest I was able to go to the dungeon but my crew weren't able to it said boundary block or something for them

[quaint holly]

Are you using Loadstone?

[cursive nimbus]

I have that uninstall

I heard how many issues It can cause

[quaint holly]

Was it uninstalled when that happened?

[cursive nimbus]

yes

me and my crew will figure out the issue by going there later today if we can using the free moon mod so it won't be a hassle

I can send you my mod list

[cursive nimbus]

I didn't have LLL fix instill could that be the issue

I just knew about that today

[quaint holly]

🤷

[cursive nimbus]

before I start testing with people do you think I should use LLL fix or old lll

[quaint holly]

Both.

[cursive nimbus]

ok

[cursive nimbus]

I noticed the floor window and the one by the beds do not spawn some times

[halcyon ermine]

Does anyone have a list of all the released interiors?

[halcyon ermine]

do you?

[jaunty lintel]

out of curiousity, why

[halcyon ermine]

for my modpack. This is all I could find

[jaunty lintel]

#1195583267546595389 is another

[halcyon ermine]

thank you

it seems two of them have died and taken the entire game with them

[clever night]

heres another https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MusicalSleep/SleepsDungeon/

[tulip kindle]

The ship is weird, I experience fps drops when looking at it on my custom moons as well, but I'm not sure what, if anything, is to be done about it

[bold compass]

interesting

[hexed rose]

Only the immersive ones and you have most of those in your list. I didn't download the Minecraft ones.
Will check soon.

[heady yarrow]

ALL INTERIORS:

SCP Foundation
Dungeon
Scarlet Devil Mansion
Bunker
Office
Sewer
Stronghold
PoolRooms
Mental Hospital
Woodland Mansion
School
Sleep's School
Liminal Pools
Circus

[tranquil girder]

link to woodland mansion?

[heady yarrow]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/HardyBrosFlightSchool/MinecraftInteriors/

Wait no that isn’t correct there’s one more

Forgot to add Circus

Which was added in the new Bozoros update

[tranquil girder]

ooooh, the minecraft interiors. dang. was hopin for a less blocky experience XD

also, 2 schools!? or is one also minecraft?

[heady yarrow]

2 schools

[copper linden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIMxtYa64d8WkFnRGXLcx6Pi16bwTwHp69r8PUUo39o/edit?usp=drivesdk

Has all the released, WIP, and secondary interiors in a tab at bottom as well. I counted a couple others differently than Aleck but primarily the same.

[heady yarrow]

Yeah mine only has ones released on Thunderstore

[hexed rose]

It's outrageous that thunderstore doesn't have cleaner categorization allowing us to search for these things naturally

[heady yarrow]

Ordered by release date

[heady yarrow]

Nah you can

Just a lot of people don’t tag things properly

[hexed rose]

It has tags but they're not enforced

[heady yarrow]

And the search relies on tags

[hexed rose]

The feature is also super hidden

[heady yarrow]

I just look at things dependant on LLL as it’s easier

[hexed rose]

Understandable

A lot of chaff though, modpacks

[copper linden]

My biggest pet peeve are modpacks that aren't tagged as modpacks. Clutters searches so much because they have every other tag

[hexed rose]

Yeah agree it's awful

And there is even less reason to show modpacks now that modders are generally making super mods rather than packs for their content.

[copper linden]

Well looking at Thunderstore holistically, modpacks are more popular in some communities that others and super mods vary as well. Super mods are really popular here specifically for moons

[pure zinc]

Rosie is also developing a WIP interior for Gordion Sect 0, if you want to add that your list!

And Starlancer has a WIP Warehouse interior that he's been showing screenshots of for Auralis and Triskelion

[copper linden]

I've been aware of them but give had no idea what to actually name them so I waited

Warehouse sounds good for now will do that

There are a couple others in the works like the Hedge Maze, but that has no thread or mod so ones like that I've also just waited on

[pure zinc]

That's fair, as far as for Starlancer, yeah he's been referring to it as a Warehouse interior. Rosie's Gordion interior looks like a remix of the basegame vanilla facility but I don't know for sure what she calls it. I also thought there was another WIP interior for the Minecraft Interiors mod being worked on (mineshafts maybe?) but I'm not sure if they've actually started it or just talked about wanting to make it as one of the next ones

[copper linden]

I have mineshaft listed I believe

Oh wait nvm

[pure zinc]

you have the not-minecraft mineshaft one

[copper linden]

Okay I remember why I didn't do the other 2, I didn't know what the mod would be called. I'll just say "Starlancer Series" and "Rosie's Moons Series for now"

I'll check the minecraft Interiors thread and whip something up for theirs as well

[pure zinc]

I can't remember for sure if they said they were actually working on new interiors or if they just said that they had ideas for how to do the other dungeon-type minecraft spawns as LC dungeons

[copper linden]

Can't find definitive statement so it's on hold with hedge maze and the others

If you have anything else to add ping me in another channel, we're clogging up more of this thread than I'd like

[shut flicker]

errr

this is what my friend sees

I'm the host

I think the planet was rotated to the side for him

[halcyon ermine]

its a strange bug. If you go to a different planet it should fix it (its should still be fixed when you go back)

I thought i fixed it but probably not in multiplayer

[shut flicker]

alr cool

[halcyon ermine]

thank you. (also thank you Alecksword)

[shut flicker]

as long as you're aware of it

[halcyon ermine]

i am now

[heady yarrow]

No problem! ^u^

Happy that some people have found my lists useful lol

[limber lantern]

Very helpful! Thank you! Would you be willing to publish it to the web so I could import live data to excel? I wanted to create a pivot table so I can easily sort through the data and find new mods without searching through Thunderstore lol. No biggie if not!

[heady yarrow]

I’m sick atm so I can’t make any promises, but I’ll see if I can make a spreadsheet in Sheets later or something!

[heady yarrow]

In the meantime this one is a good alternative that also includes WIP ones, and ones not uploaded to Thunderstore.

[limber lantern]

I actually was able to accomplish it myself! I just made my own sheet and used the "ImportFromRange" function and then shared the sheet I created to web. Thank you again!

[heady yarrow]

Ah, gotcha! Would you mind sharing it? I’m curious what you did with it haha

[limber lantern]

I hope you feel better soon! I just got over something myself.

Yeah!

[heady yarrow]

Thanks! It hit me out of absolutely nowhere yesterday

[limber lantern]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-ch3sP7hB7riudbCZQD7lind562lTNlT--QPNw0axc4/edit?usp=sharing

[heady yarrow]

Spent the night at my bfs place and got home and was getting ready for work

Was about to leave

and bam

had to run to the bathroom feeling like I was gonna be sick

[limber lantern]

Ah, damn 😦

[heady yarrow]

Yeah— super weird

[limber lantern]

Here is the link for power query:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vScjrVw4yL1g22XHqR_oYn77AtMOT0aizF3Lmb2qz51qGUcN3kXvitVCJTOTC7a3zQvlBR3RBMSV9DG/pub?output=xlsx

This will load it into excel.

[heady yarrow]

I don’t feel too bad while laying down

Sitting isn’t that bad

But stand and especially walking is really bad

[heady yarrow]

Oh neat!

[limber lantern]

That sounds worse than mine was 😦 I just felt really dizzy and some cold symptoms, but it was mostly manageable.

[heady yarrow]

What’s Desert Alien?

Did I miss one?

[fleet pilot]

Circus interior?

[limber lantern]

I want to see if I can connect the excel sheet to the thunderstore API and hopefully retrieve release dates for each mod so I can finally filter out old mods xD

[heady yarrow]

Added in Bozoros v1.0.0: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LethalMatt/Bozoros/

[heady yarrow]

Mine are actually ordered by release date!

[fleet pilot]

Oh shit time to get Bozoros🤩

[limber lantern]

Not sure! I just used a function to pull the data in from your sheet lol

[heady yarrow]

Not just by pack, but by individual moon release dates

Ahh that one is in @copper linden’s list

[limber lantern]

Ohhhhhh

I didn't realize there was multiple sheets lol

[south bloom]

has this worked in multiplayer no issue?

[heady yarrow]

Mine are just the discord messages

[limber lantern]

I guess I should fully read the messages xD

[heady yarrow]

Also the Magic Mountain mod is named SnowMountain

[limber lantern]

Well if they would be willing to share their list to the web for excel, I could delete my sheet. Again, no biggie if not!

[copper linden]

Aleck do you just want editor access to my sheet? Won't have to write a new one and I'll let you format it however if you prefer. We can make it more of an official community thing hopefully that way

[heady yarrow]

Sure

my gmail is just my username

[copper linden]

Same capitalization?

[heady yarrow]

Yep!

[copper linden]

Gotcha, I'll go ahead and add you then

[heady yarrow]

👍

[limber lantern]

Thank you for the list by the way! It's very nice to have a ranking to go by 🙂

[copper linden]

Np, hopefully the data will be even better with Aleck going over it as well

[covert pulsar]

Uber late (was asleep!) and shameless plug, but I've been keeping a post somewhere on here that documents interiors and links to their respective posts on TS & thread in here:
<#1211742313601171547 message>
<#1211742313601171547 message>

Apologies, isn't the most elegant formatting but I tried to go as minimal as possible but still convey enough information for those interested

I didn't list any WIP interiors that doesn't really have a release publically available as far as I know (e.g. Egypt's interior iirc)

Ooblterra is a bit different since they DO have a post on Github that lets you try it out in advance (accessed via their respective thread), tho it is WIP

[halcyon ermine]

[edit: ITS SOLVED, no need to test anymore!] @fair dagger @plucky stream @rose roost @livid arrow (and anyone else having stutter issues) I may have figured out a solution to the stuttering. I think my way of handling shaders is costing a lot of vram (ram you Graphics Card uses). It is currently costing about 2Gb. So if you have a gpu with low amounts of vram, it will hit this limit and it has to do something to manage the overflow. I don't know what it is, but my best guess is that it is causing the stutter.

If you are able to and have the time, can I ask you to test the version I have linked to this message? This version costs about 0.5 Gb of vram.

To install put this file in your Celestial Tint folder and replace the old file

[rose roost]

I'll try it and will let you know 🫡

[halcyon ermine]

thank you!

[rose roost]

Okay, I still am experiencing slight stutters, but it's significantly less impactful in orbit than they were before. I only drop about a frame or 2 every so often

[halcyon ermine]

can you open your task manager and tell me what your Dedicated GPU Memory is at? while in orbit

[rose roost]

gotcha, one sec

@halcyon ermine

[halcyon ermine]

is this while in orbit with the stuttering?

[halcyon ermine]

if i can make one more request, can you run the game while in orbit with the taskmanager open for like 30 sec and send a screenshot of the whole GPU screen? I can maybe find some clues

[rose roost]

yep, losing around 3 frames or so each time

[rose roost]

Will do

@halcyon ermine here you go, walked around the ship for a bit while I had task manager on my other monitor

[halcyon ermine]

thank you! and the stuttering is less than before right?

i think i can solve the stuttering completely, thanks for helping!

[rose roost]

Yup, only drops about 1-3 frames every so often compared to how it was dipping to 30-40 frames

[halcyon ermine]

amazing!

[rose roost]

no problemo

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.6]

• Fixed most stuttering

[halcyon ermine]

almost done with Explorations

[halcyon ermine]

Explorations [2.3.0] - reinstalling the modpack is HIGHLY recommended

• Removed:
  • LethalExpansion
  • LethalExpansionCore
  • ExpansionAssets
  • Orion (becomes sfDesat)
  • Celest (becomes sfDesat)
  • Aquatis (becomes sfDesat)
  • Kast
  • SecretLabs
  • Infernis
  • Maritopia
  • Celestria
• Added:
  • sfDesat
  • Crest
  • Affliction
  • Eve
  • Zenit
  • Bozoros
  • Mantif
  • [interior] Mental Hospital
  • [interior] PoolRooms
  • [interior] Devil Mansion

Thunderstore will take a moment to update

[wanton vessel]

👏

[halcyon ermine]

btw, for anyone that was having stutter issues with Celestial Tint, does it still happen on the latest version?

[jaunty lintel]

@halcyon ermine do you replace the moon prefabs btw

or just as reference

[gaunt ingot]

Since it looks like he's offline, it does replace the moon prefabs

[jaunty lintel]

i seee..

[plucky stream]

we have no more stuttering 🎉

[rose roost]

I still have the stuttering unfortunately

Losing around 2fps every couple of seconds still, tho tbh it's so subtle now that I sort of don't mind it

[pale trout]

It's a lot better than 1.1.3 - 1.1.5, but there are micro stutters still. Barely noticeable but they are there.

[rose roost]

yeah

[keen cedar]

does reinstalling fix the moons not showing up in the computer?

[small wigeon]

Bozoros thanks you, @halcyon ermine

Honored to have made it into Explorations

Downloads are poppin' thanks to you

[halcyon ermine]

i do indeed replace the prefabs in all the selectablelevel's planetprefab slots at the start of SampleSceneRelay loading

[halcyon ermine]

Yeah i will try to see if i can remove those micro stutters, but that will be a lot harder i think

[jaunty lintel]

i can hit you up before i release anything but you might have to change that abit

even just using a prefix and postfix on the changeplanet function to quickly swap it out so it spawns your thing, then swap it back after yknow

[halcyon ermine]

are you changing the planetprefab thingy?

[jaunty lintel]

nahh im using it!

[halcyon ermine]

ah

[jaunty lintel]

im sorry 😭

[halcyon ermine]

no worries. does your thing need to run only once?

[jaunty lintel]

no 😔

[halcyon ermine]

only once per changing planet? or does it run continually

[jaunty lintel]

its not related to changing planet's use

but yours is

unless im mistaken

[halcyon ermine]

I use the prefabs to add all the necesarry objects and whatnot

and those need to be shown continually

[jaunty lintel]

yeeee but im saying like

you change the planetprefab in the selectablelevels so it spawns your thing right

[halcyon ermine]

yes

[jaunty lintel]

so ideally instead of doing that all at once, you would do that before it spawns the planet, then undo it after it spawns the planet

[halcyon ermine]

would that delete the prefab from the scene?

[jaunty lintel]

naurrr

instances of a prefab != prefab asset

thing = thing1

thing = thing2
spawn(thing)
thing = thing1

[halcyon ermine]

So you're saying attach a postfix on the seleectablelevel and everytime a new one gets loaded, check its tags replace the planetprefab slot to load it in and than change it back?

[jaunty lintel]

yeee

so a pre to switch in yours and then a post to switch it back

[halcyon ermine]

ah ok i'll try

[jaunty lintel]

that way your not actually "destructively" modifying the data of the level

[halcyon ermine]

but would that make the old planetprefab still load in?

[jaunty lintel]

nahh because it does PrefixCode -> Code -> PostfixCode

[halcyon ermine]

ooh thats right

[jaunty lintel]

its no rush on this tho

no clue when this is getting released

[halcyon ermine]

i'll see if i can figure it out

[plucky stream]

is that a binary tree to display planets in co-orbit?

or just something for sorting

[halcyon ermine]

There seems to be a problem with the latest Explorations update. Temporary fix is to disable LethalConfig

[halcyon ermine]

@small wigeon i'm gonna take bozoros out for now. Something is conflicting heavily with LethalConfig and I dont know how to disable LethalConfig through a modpack.

Explorations [2.3.1]

• Temporarily removed Bozoros for compatibility

[halcyon ermine]

Spacestation [0.2.0]

• Added spacestation interior
• Changed layout slightly
• Changed planet view

[sullen olive]

Will this be coming to the moon bundle?

[halcyon ermine]

what moon bundle do you mean? Explorations modpack or my sfDesat bundle

the spacestation will not be included in neither of them for a while. it still needs a lot of work

[sullen olive]

the sfDesat is the one I've just moved to, since I had all your other moons installed separately.

So what I'm hearing is that it's going to be added to both of them, but later when it's closer to complete

[halcyon ermine]

probably yes. But it will take a lot more time

[desert tendon]

bruh

[rocky sundial]

pulled lever on spacestation, game never started loading

[wanton vessel]

#1208849588539101294 message

[wanton vessel]

I'm already solving that problem

[rocky sundial]

also about celestial tint, the skybox seems to go black for a second when transitioning between moons. the moon also seems to go EXTREMELY fast

the moon you head to should also maybe come from infront of the ship instead of behind it

[halcyon ermine]

i cant really do anything about everything going black while loading it seems. And do you mean the rotating or the leaving animation?

[rocky sundial]

leaving animation

[halcyon ermine]

i know the animation was more a proff of concept

[rocky sundial]

it does go decently fast with rotating too

[halcyon ermine]

I want to change the animation completely

[glossy gate]

we ejected

pulling the lever just breaks everything even further, cant even switch moons to make it work

[halcyon ermine]

Is this from somebody that joined or the host?

the images

[glossy gate]

from somebody that joined. yesterday it was from both somebody that joined and the host

ill fetch his log rn

[halcyon ermine]

dont have to. it probably doesn't say anything usefull

Is this the only problem you had?

[glossy gate]

well theres also the cloning and the-

actually I have the whole thing I wrote in detail for someone else

it goes like this

when we take off the space loads with whatever fog/sfx that was on the planet (say, vow has a lot of green fog, so the space area is entierly green and foggy). Shipwindows' skybox loads on top of it (black dots are stars). For some players the double doors are open. Pulling the lever in this stage results in infinite "waiting for ship to land" prompt. All terminals are still working. If anyone but the host leaves, they don't actually "leave" - no message in chat and their playermodel is just frozen there. They can, however, join back, and this does produce "x player has joined" message. But because the first playermodel never unloaded, there's now 2 instances of the same person. The person that re-joined cannot see any of their other instances, but every other player can. They're synced for others and they do have collision, as I was watching my friend struggling to walk around them like a mime in an invisible maze. This NEVER happens in solo and happens VERY OFTEN in multiplayer, particularly after leaving Vow. YOU CAN fix it on the spot by switching to a different moon and back. But that's a band-aid solution at best. If you pull the lever first, switching to a different moon no longer works. The progress saves if the host leaves - that's another way of fixing this.
the doors were open for one of my friends so he managed to capture this. It also glitches and blinks like if textures are overlapping. when he specifically left, he couldnt rejoin.

[jaunty lintel]

whats up

[halcyon ermine]

when deloading and loading prefabs, there is a brief moment of nothingness

[glossy gate]

friends log

[jaunty lintel]

deload the old prefab on the awake of the new prefab maybe?

[halcyon ermine]

the game does the deloading so I will have to figure out a way to do it

[halcyon ermine]

and this does not happen when you disable Celestial Tint?

[glossy gate]

it does not as far as I know (or at least its rare enough for us not to encounter), and also it doesnt happen in singleplayer either

it started happening like yesterday (or 2 days ago)

and never happened before

but now its every time

[jaunty lintel]

public void ChangePlanet()
{
    if (this.currentPlanetPrefab != null)
    {
        Object.Destroy(this.currentPlanetPrefab);
    }
    this.currentPlanetPrefab = Object.Instantiate<GameObject>(this.currentLevel.planetPrefab, this.planetContainer, false);
    this.currentPlanetAnimator = this.currentPlanetPrefab.GetComponentInChildren<Animator>();
    Object.FindObjectOfType<TimeOfDay>().currentLevel = this.currentLevel;
    this.SetMapScreenInfoToCurrentLevel();
}

as mentioned previously you need to prefix and postfix patch this anyway, so if you grab the reference to the startofround.currentplanetprefab in the prefix, and then set the startofround.currentplanetprefab to null, it wont destroy it in the main code here

[halcyon ermine]

oh yea nice

[halcyon ermine]

did it happen after update Celestial Tint to 1.1.6? because I think the problem with the players and the loading is not from Celestial Tint

I dont touch any related systems

[glossy gate]

Im not sure

tint is basically my last suspect because when asking about other mods that might've been the cause everyone said its not them

[fast quiver]

thanks for the love! ❤️

[glossy gate]

I did not install anything new in the past week other than asyncloggers and assetbundles_patcher

when I brought up the issue to them they said its something else

[halcyon ermine]

im affraid im gonna have to say it as well. The visual bug when looking outside the ship is a known problem, but the rest of the problems cant really be happening because of Celestial Tint. I dont touch any of those systems

[glossy gate]

i gechu

just seemed like those were connected cuz they occurred simultaneously

[halcyon ermine]

thats understandable

[glossy gate]

still weird that tint never broke before but now it breaks every single time

could other mods break tint then?

oh yeah another thing I wanna point out

tint doesnt break until we go to vow

when we do go to vow it breaks on every other moon too

tho maybe it does break on other moons too, its just that vow has a constant and very visible fog

[halcyon ermine]

does it also break on march?

[glossy gate]

I'll have to check for that at a later time

my friend is gone for now

[steady lodge]

Thank you, helped me with my modpack as well :)

I'd also ask for your thoughts regarding a nightmode with a moon or config to remove the sun. I personally would enjoy watching the stars more than getting blinded by the sun

[gaunt ingot]

Also going through your log I saw an error I made. I don't think it would cause what you're having, but it wouldn't hurt to try updating Ship Windows when it refreshes on the Thunderstore in a moment

[halcyon ermine]

i kind of agree. I have been putting of visual improvements because of all the bugs

[glossy gate]

I still think its assetbundles_patcher because its a mod that directly messes with how things are loaded in and also in a pretty raw state, and also already known for breaking things like modded monsters. But. They said its not them. Could it still be that particular mod?

[jaunty lintel]

its breaking modded monsters what?

[glossy gate]

yeah it broke my demogorogon once and I've seen people complaining about their shy guys being broken, among other things

and some other monsters

[jaunty lintel]

that doesnt sound right

[steady lodge]

Good luck with the bugs and hope there won't be too much trouble going over to v50 once it arrives

[glossy gate]

#1220488542585753631 message

if im wrong them im sorry for slandering a perfectly fine mod but i did see complaints there, thats just the one that caught my eye

[halcyon ermine]

🫡

[glossy gate]

was there any info about what mightve broken the lobby?

I can read code but not logs

(dum)

[jaunty lintel]

he should mostly be fine, just depends on how badly it fucks me over 😭

[gaunt ingot]

I can't see anything obvious except the results of the ShipWindows error I mentioned earlier. It might actually be from that

[glossy gate]

ill test it out the moment I get a chance to 👍

[sinful bobcat]

Is there a reason why Aquatis is showing lava instead of water on the terminal preview video?

[halcyon ermine]

the video is old and very compressed. that is very bright sand

[sinful bobcat]

Oh I'm so dumb 🤦‍♂️

[halcyon ermine]

its very understandable lol

[jaunty lintel]

its hard to figure out best way to record those ngl

[halcyon ermine]

i think only experminetation has a video

[livid arrow]

@halcyon ermine

What would you say your "Heaviest Moons" are. I am making a "Light" moons pack for shattered company.

My goal is to have less resource-intensive moons that players with lower-end PC's can play with, and moons that do not have a high Asset Bundle load time/Level loading time.

Which if any do you think I should filter out of the "Light" pack?

[mellow vine]

Coming from Celestial Tint 1.1.2 to the current version I observe no stutters and less vram usage 👍

[halcyon ermine]

fps-performance or file size? or which one would you like to focus on the most?

[halcyon ermine]

great thank you

[livid arrow]

FPS Performance > Filesize

[halcyon ermine]

Main thing to note is that LLL moons take less time to load than LE moons. for my moons:

• Orion - exceeds vanilla performance
• Aquatis - 5-10% less performance than vanilla
• Celest - 10-20% less performance than vanilla
  I recommend asking other moonmakers about their moon's performance relative to vanilla

[potent pollen]

tbf, "vanilla performance" is kind of vague
for example assurance can load in instantly, but titan takes like 10 seconds to generate

[halcyon ermine]

thats fair. I tested it against Experimentation

[halcyon ermine]

This is a very rough estimation. Best thing to do is to test it yourself

[livid arrow]

Will do. I will make blind changes just to get things done and then be sure later.

Either way, removing planets will lighten the load. Optimisation will happen next.

[sinful bobcat]

Is it normal for Spacestation interior to be only three rooms big and having no scrap?

is it just a lore place?

[shut flicker]

What does the interior look like?

[sinful bobcat]

not in game screenshot but you get the idea

[cursive nimbus]

Yes definitely show pictures yes

[shut flicker]

Whaa

I definitely need to see more

[sinful bobcat]

Collisions are kinda fucked though, you need to crouch to enter every hole

[cursive nimbus]

I can imagine

Them entryways are using made for you can go through them laying down with no gravity it RL

[shut flicker]

It makes sense cus you don’t want to get stuck floating

[cursive nimbus]

So the hitbox is accurate for the interior but annoying for lethal company hmmm

[halcyon ermine]

it is a beta build of the interior (the first beta build). https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208849588539101294

that is a better place for feedback (he made it)

[oak aspen]

whenever i try to load spacestation it shows me this error

[Error : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. Parameter name: index Stack trace: System.Collections.Generic.List1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0009)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::SpawnMapObjects(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.TrampolineRoundManager::SpawnMapObjects?-1903619218(RoundManager)
LethalLib.Modules.MapObjects.RoundManager_SpawnMapObjects (On.RoundManager+orig_SpawnMapObjects orig, RoundManager self) (at <a195ca621c6e43699e5855ec3dd9dd63>:IL_009D)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.HookRoundManager::SpawnMapObjects?193866720(RoundManager)
RoundManager.GeneratedFloorPostProcessing () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_000F)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115.DMD<RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115::MoveNext>(RoundManager/<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)`

im not sure if this is the moon or the interior

[small wigeon]

What is the issue

[oak aspen]

you may want to move where the interior spawns below the moon because the interior is phasing through the spacestation

[dark marsh]

no

the whole point is that you can see it from outside the interior

[oak aspen]

oh

[dark marsh]

they are trying to make that not happen though

[oak aspen]

well it still phases through the moon and makes some parts inaccessible

[dark marsh]

yeah

[coarse anchor]

Does anyone know how ViewExtension affects performance?

[steady imp]

aha

[steady imp]

apparently i can consistently scan earth leviathan through the ground

[coarse anchor]

It's normal bruh

[halcyon ermine]

if you download Explorations 2.3.0 LethalConfig gets downloaded as a dependency of Bozoros and LethalConfig seems to completely break

[halcyon ermine]

i know, its very very early on

[halcyon ermine]

most of the time no. Only on certain custom maps it can

[small wigeon]

how does the config break?

like what is happening to it

[halcyon ermine]

None of the moons are detected and the LLL config gets cleared. I dont think its a bozoros problem, but a LethalConfig problem

But because its a dependency and i cant disable it in the modpack

[small wigeon]

are both LLL and LLLfixed enabled?

From what I have seen from people who approach my thread with that issue, disabling LLL and leaving fixed enabled fixes the issue

[halcyon ermine]

i think so, because LLL gets installed as a dependency

[small wigeon]

LethalConfig isn't the issue here, but i think having both LLL and LLLfixed on

[halcyon ermine]

i think LethalConfig and LLL+LLLFix

but ok thank you i will try fixing it

[small wigeon]

could you try disabling just LLL first and lmk if that also fixes it for you?

because I had that exact same issue as did others when both mods were enabled

[halcyon ermine]

i cant test right now, but i will when i get back

[small wigeon]

👍

[fair dagger]

this is because Bozoros loads before of LLL

you didn't set dependency of LLL

#1198545579765141565 message

[small wigeon]

@halcyon ermine Uploading a fix soon

It's like @fair dagger said, the config file loading before LLL is breaking things

Disabling LLL was a workaround fix that wasn't a solution to the real problem

Bozoros loading fine now with both LLLs enabled

[halcyon ermine]

ok great thank you

For anyone updating Explorations to 2.3.2 make sure to uninstall sfDesat if it is still installed

[small wigeon]

just pushed the bozo hotfix to TS a few minutes ago

[halcyon ermine]

it should still catch your update in a bit

[glass gale]

oh how nice to mention it today way after the update /s

ty for letting others know, i had the issue of not being able to leave/go anywhere before doing that

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine

[tranquil girder]

my control key has never had so much attention given to it XD

i love the concept, but first thing that needs to be done imo is raising the ceiling collision between segments. remove the open hatch doors, too.

finally, floating object collisions. neat thought, but an unnecessary evil.

oh yea, and ship map cant penetrate the roof of it

HOWEVER

the atmosphere is great. nailed that first try

really lookin forward to how this dungeon evolves

[halcyon ermine]

if you join a lobby, for whatever reason the sky can mess up. to fix it switch planets (you can go back after)

[halcyon ermine]

thank you for the feedback

[barren flare]

I've joined, it was normal; we completed a day and it was this

the whole sky was a white orb

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.7]

• Lowered file size
• Improved planet visuals
• Adjusted sun visuals
• Adjusted starmap visuals
• Fixed desync issues

[halcyon ermine]

should be fixed

[barren flare]

i'll let you know when i test this, thanks! 😇

[rose roost]

the stutter is completely gone now with this update!

[modest cargo]

may I ask why?

[halcyon ermine]

I switched back to using orion, aquatis and celest individually. You cant have the collection and the individual moons installed at the same time

[halcyon ermine]

great!

[modest cargo]

May I ask why you don´t have Atlanica in the modpack? Does it cause any compability issues?

[barren flare]

it's not using LLL

i think that's just it

[modest cargo]

So I should probably keep it out then?

I regulary get weird issues in my modpacks when trying to load certain moons, sometimes only wesley works and sometimes only anything else

its weird

[glossy gate]

the glitchy visuals are no more @gaunt ingot

that includes the cloning bug

[halcyon ermine]

it is indeed not using LLL and I recommend playing with al Wesley's moons at once https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Magic_Wesley/Wesleys_Moons/

[modest cargo]

yeah I added it and it seems to work fine now

idk there was probably just some broken mod in my old modpack

my new one works fine with all of them combined

[sinful bobcat]

I preferred how close the ship was to the moon in the last version, it looked better imo

now we have to go near the window to see it

[tidal gyro]

I preferred it being closer too. Maybe it could be a config setting?

[hexed rose]

Man for a second I thought you were talking about their mass and therefore gravity which had me very interested. See "LethalWeight".

But anyway my tip to you is try getting all your compatible mods together and boot up the game then take a look at the log to see the moons load times, you'll be able to vaguely guess that moons with big loads times will have much heavier textures and possibly models and likely to be tougher on old PCs. Of course this won't work with bundled moons. You'll need them individually.

[livid arrow]

Yeah. Had some fun times. Apparently LC loads all moons into ram, it has all moons and interiors in ram at all times.

So the modpack I was going to release needed 20gigs of ram to run.

Put the breaks on that. Now decluttering and optimizing haha.

[hexed rose]

Wtf lol

Loads all into RAM, I've never heard something so horrifying.

[jaunty lintel]

not true

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[neon kayak]

I tried out Spacestation and it's having a lot of issues atm, first try it got hung up on random seed, and then when it did load... Not sure if people have mentioned this already but thought I would share ||https://i.imgur.com/N3cJrgM.mp4|| ||https://i.imgur.com/qZbRrkD.mp4||

[livid arrow]

Interesting. How the heck is my modpack using 6 gigs for moons then and 1.5 for interiors?

I had Mrov test it and it is insane how much ram the moons are using.

Here is my testing done earlier today.

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[jaunty lintel]

because I am fucking up, not Zeekers 🤠

[livid arrow]

oh thank god can this be fixed?

[jaunty lintel]

yeah

in fairness it wasn't really a known thing for a while

[livid arrow]

I came along with a stupid level pack and ruined things haha

@jaunty lintel

Look Batby I just want the world.
Is it too much to ask? 😛

[dark fog]

whats the mod that plays a little landing cutscene when going onto a planet

[south bloom]

diversity

[jaunty lintel]

is 50% less ram usage an acceptable compromise?

ok maybe not 50 unfortunately but

[weak flax]

less is good

[livid arrow]

The lower the number the better.

Even better is if it hotloads assets to ram when it needs them.

I imagine the interior boom is about to happen soon.

[jaunty lintel]

it can’t hotload levels

[weak flax]

Interior boom? oh boy

cant wait for 50 low quality interior mods soon

[livid arrow]

Haha

[jaunty lintel]

just wait lol

best one otw

[livid arrow]

Thanks again batby. Excited to see what you have been cooking.

I'm hitting the hay. Take care all.

[halcyon ermine]

yeah the interior generation is a bit strange atm and I gotta figure out what is causing the loading bug

[halcyon ermine]

I have to find a good balance. If I make it to close, I would have to up the texture quality, which would make the stuttering come back.

[wanton vessel]

I've already figured out what the problem is and will fix it in the next patch

[halcyon ermine]

Spacestation [0.2.1]

• Fixed stuck on seed
• Lowered Level1 chance 300 > 1

[sinful bobcat]

I never had stuttering before

Like the other guy said, maybe it could be an option?

if that's possible

[glossy gate]

honestly true

[glossy gate]

yeah exactly my thoughts

like have a value for how close the planet is

if thats possible

if not a value than just "classic" mode that would position it much closer

[glossy gate]

Im not gonna pretend like I know how games work so something like this is likely a can of worms nobody would want to open

but just having 2 presets isnt out of the realm of possibility, right?

I will say tho

I like the new model a lot more

its so clean

before every moon just looked like a gas giant

now you can see the surface on a lot of planets

[fleet pilot]

What's the monster spawning like currently on Space Station?

[halcyon ermine]

Celestial Tint [1.1.8]

• Fixed black patches on planets
• Improved planet switching animation

[halcyon ermine]

I could maybe add a config option

I mainly just have to play around with the value until a good balance

[halcyon ermine]

I think i copied them from Celest

no outside creatures spawn

[fleet pilot]

I keep getting a shy guy everytime I land for testing, it's either outside or inside as soon as I land. I have nothing changed in it's config either. I assume something fishy is going on since it shouldn't be spawning so soon (this doesn't happen on other moons)

Could it be related to the dungeon height like they were talking about in the LLL thread?

[sinful bobcat]

mmmmm

not a seamless texture

[cerulean jewel]

pst

@sinful bobcat

https://tenor.com/view/hear-me-out-eggman-sonic-sonic-adventure2-gif-25292376

https://tenor.com/view/postal-postal2-postal-dude-petition-postal-petition-gif-24359792

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1222281188341977239

[sinful bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

alright

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-grip-hand-high-five-yes-gif-16329314

[shut flicker]

moon appears at its destination for a split second before the transition animation plays

[vast shell]

[01:27:54.8492279] [Info : TeraSpace] Interior Assets loaded successfully
[01:27:54.9467538] [Error : TeraSpace] Failed to load Interior Dungeon Flow.
[01:27:54.9552636] [Info : TeraSpace] Registered Interior on moon name Spacestation with rarity 99999
[01:27:54.9552636] [Info : TeraSpace] Loaded Extended DungeonFlow

log from booted game

@halcyon ermine

also i get outside sounds inside, ie birds etc

[fleet pilot]

One of the failed to load messages is caused by having no custom audio yet, it'll happen every time for now. It'll be fixed when sounds are added later

[halcyon ermine]

was hoping i fixed that

[halcyon ermine]

I need to figure out a good way to fix it

[halcyon ermine]

mmmjm clouds

[barren flare]

so fluffy

[glossy gate]

Maybe make it invisible at first?

Or is that also something that wouldn't load in initially

I actually wanted a different feature to be added

For shutters to close when you switch between moons

Cuz it used to be an awkward cut to black and then it'd load in parts

There's still a cut to black so maybe making shutters close on transition will fix both of those problems?

There's a transition between moon and space, I don't think adding a transition between moons is any different

That or maybe pulling the switch will add a warpdrive-ish effect around the ship in the form of a sphere that'd unload at the same time the animation starts playing

[halcyon ermine]

for changes to the shutters you have to go to https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1203500753939988532. I can only make changes to the visuals (sun, planet, animations etc). In the near future I'll have to change the loading system to make it compatible with https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1221617443198341120. When i'll start on these changes i'll also see if i can change some things to remove the black sky.

[tranquil girder]

Wesified Aquatis. will do the same to Celest, Orion, and Space Sation as well (eventually)

[latent flax]

WOOOO

[halcyon ermine]

dope

[bold compass]

https://twitter.com/ZeekerssRBLX/status/1773228861813129683 this will be huge for aquatis

Zeekerss (@ZeekerssRBLX) on X

baboon hawks getting the buff they've been waiting for

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 6:01 AM

[halcyon ermine]

new trees (3km distance)