sfDesat's Moons and Mods

[minor raptor]

@cerulean jewel been editing your sheet to make configs for our packs (tysm for this), seems like you have Celestria facility default at 100 but simulating ingame says it should be 300

[cerulean jewel]

wait waht

shit

hold on

[minor raptor]

also, just out of curiosity, is there a reason you don't use the SCP facility

[cerulean jewel]

its probably because I tried to get Celestria data but got Celest's data

[minor raptor]

actually this may have happened to me let me double check lmao

[cerulean jewel]

Just didnt want anything directly ripped from other media

its a good dungeon and it has a good moon

but for my modpack it wouldnt fit

[minor raptor]

understandable

[potent pollen]

...scarlet devil mansion from touhou

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-bruh-shut-up-didnt-ask-gif-26173232

Silence him.

[potent pollen]

nooooooooo

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/calebcity-caleb-city-punches-hits-gif-22212175

[rose roost]

tbh this is just what I needed, most of the time I sorta just vibe checked moons and interiors and gave them random weight values to see if they matched, so it was kinda sloppy whereas you put a shit ton of effort into doing all this and even made a spreadsheet to go along with it all 😭

[minor raptor]

this lethal company shit serious

[rose roost]

@cerulean jewel I commend you frfr 🫡

[cerulean jewel]

couldnt do it without the base and inspiration from @hearty solstice, and their https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Easyidle123/Easyidles_Quality_Moons/ https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Easyidle123/Easyidles_Expansive_Moons/

[rose roost]

I'll send likes their way 👍

[cerulean jewel]

Hero

Ill be releasing my configs on Thunderstore with the launch of my modpack most likely

[minor raptor]

okay @cerulean jewel yeah i just looked at it again, trying to simulate celestria just pulls up the values for celest

[cerulean jewel]

yea I disabled celest and im about to do a simulate

[minor raptor]

sorry about that

let me know what you find

[cerulean jewel]

ok thank god i was correct

https://tenor.com/view/mort-crying-scared-gif-21887116

I was about to start SOBBING

[rose roost]

@cerulean jewel any specific settings for each interior like the max interior size?

[fleet pilot]

I just have Celestria copy Celest's weights until the issue is fixed😂

[cerulean jewel]

Yes

I have scaled all my interiors the best I can

But idk how I would impliment that into the sheet

I could

[rose roost]

because I see that the pool rooms has a max of 2.5 by default and that's crazy 💀

[halcyon ermine]

let all the porting begin 🫡

this is stupid. I make a completely new project and set it all up. and then my old project starts working again. without me touching it

[lapis turret]

Celest was always working

[rose roost]

if you could that'd be awesome, but bro I wouldn't blame you if you don't because you literally said earlier you've been at this for 3 days straight, and you got sick because of it 😭

[restive minnow]

unity moment

[cerulean jewel]

oh no ive been at this for a week straight, it was my last 3 day no sleep session that killed me

but uh ill put them somewhere on the doc

[rose roost]

[lapis turret]

I don’t think the office is formatted right on there

[cerulean jewel]

nuh uh

https://tenor.com/view/cap-gif-18854081

it works for me

[lapis turret]

It says it has to be AssuranceLevel instead of Assurance@300

[hearty solstice]

office works with both IIRC

[rose roost]

thank you 🙏

[cerulean jewel]

the HERO

Easyidle

[halcyon ermine]

hmmmm oh yeeeessss. the clouds are in formation

lined up for war

[cerulean jewel]

sexy

[heady yarrow]

dev moment

How many moons do you have like creator approved configs for rn lmfao

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/power-gif-26477241

ALL OF THEM

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

RAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[heady yarrow]

I’d love to yoink take a look at the “approved” ones for referencing my personal numbers

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-black-man-staring-black-men-staring-black-men-men-staring-gif-25096788

im all for yoinking

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1prrFkH3J4WONrRQv2MfWdP3K2rT6cYqe3fLDjqQ3kg4/edit#gid=1992628571

[south bloom]

a storm is coming

[cerulean jewel]

I got Wesley's approval, Knight's Approval, Desat's approval, Tolian's approval

[heady yarrow]

I’ve been working to find out what interiors fit best canonically myself but it seems like you were ahead of the game on that one lol

[south bloom]

atlas abyss / egypt + dungeon

[halcyon ermine]

lol

[heady yarrow]

My only changes would be that my mine I plan to try and even things out a bit more

And try to have every interior (except maybe like one?) has a moon that it’s the main interior for

[lapis turret]

for what

[heady yarrow]

Moon interiors

[cerulean jewel]

on my balance

[lapis turret]

huh

[heady yarrow]

I want to try to make it like if the modded interiors were vanilla

[cerulean jewel]

I asked all of them their opinions on what modded interiors i put for thier moons

[heady yarrow]

So factory won’t be on nearly every moon for example

[cerulean jewel]

And they all said they liked and agreed

[lapis turret]

oh

[cerulean jewel]

you'd have to horrifically overweigh the facility weight

[heady yarrow]

Eh won’t be too hard

Just plug it into a calculator

[cerulean jewel]

Dawg

let me tell you

[heady yarrow]

That’s what I’ve been doing anyway

[cerulean jewel]

when I tried to ask CHatGPT to help me figure out weights

bro

STUPID AI

[heady yarrow]

pfffft

I’m used to doing stupid work by hand anyway

[cerulean jewel]

Thats what I had to do in the end

hence why im on my deathbed

[heady yarrow]

Let me tell you trying to figure out dragon ball power levels/multipliers/scaling doing math is annoying af

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-25720883

[cerulean jewel]

lmao nothing more inconsistent

[heady yarrow]

Especially because they’re canonically non-consistent

Yeah

[cerulean jewel]

when it came to weighing my interiors i had ocd

and wanted to make them on a scale of 5

[heady yarrow]

I have OCD myself

which is probably why I’m being so specific with mine lol

[cerulean jewel]

yea i tried my best to scale it to values like 20% 15% etc.

[heady yarrow]

💀

See I might do is just work back instead of forward

I’ve been finding the %s I want

Then figuring out the numbers

300 is X% of Y

Okay so Y is the final number and I work from that

It’s a weird way to do it, but makes it easier

If I explained it weirdly lmk lol

[fleet pilot]

Spreadsheet is truly the easiest way to do it

[heady yarrow]

Yeah but OCDbrain likes both

[cerulean jewel]

thats what i did

[rose roost]

@cerulean jewel are you changing the weight for the interiors? took a glance over at the doc and saw you were making edits

[cerulean jewel]

🤫

🧏‍♂️

yea Easyidle made a suggestion to me

[rose roost]

understandable carry on 🫡

@cerulean jewel would you take a moon recommendation? a good one imo just got released recently

[minor raptor]

which one? catalyst?

[cerulean jewel]

sure

[rose roost]

yep

[rose roost]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1216079559489753209

[cerulean jewel]

yea i saw that on my radar

going to look at it later today

[minor raptor]

i played on it last night, it's pretty nice

here are the values if you decide to add it

[cerulean jewel]

you're one of them heroes

thank u

[halcyon ermine]

slight improvement lol. Note: The "newer" version is an old build of the rework

[minor raptor]

slight
lol

[halcyon ermine]

It's on its way (made by Tolian)

[fleet pilot]

details looking better 😄

You guys figure out what you're doing with the ship?

[halcyon ermine]

I'm planning it slowly but surely

[fleet pilot]

hell yeah

I don't know if you're planning on letting the player go outside at all, but ladders around the modules might look cool

[halcyon ermine]

depends if i'm gonna be able to figure out how to adjust gravity

[fleet pilot]

Even if you can't figure it out. the outside being parkour heavy could be a lot of fun. Tho I don't know how much people would like that

[halcyon ermine]

it may be possible. I still have to figure out the overall design idea and plan.

[wanton vessel]

death parkour

ahah

[fleet pilot]

The parkour would mainly be for traversing to and from fire exits. Not necessarily mandatory

A map where the exterior is (technically) all parkour would be unique for sure

Also if you wanted the gravity to be "correct" you'd want 0g not low gravity. Which I assume will be harder and also break most things in the game

[halcyon ermine]

problem is that most movement things are "hard coded" values. So i would need to figure out how to change them on a technical level

[fleet pilot]

Not that I necessarily dislike either idea

[fleet pilot]

I don't even know if 0g would be fun to play. Plus how would you even move?

Just basically fly?

[hearty solstice]

If this did get figured out, wouldn't it be a better addition as / to a library mod that SpaceStation could depend on?

[wanton vessel]

jetpack?

[halcyon ermine]

yeah its not gonna be 0g. and i would release it as a mod on TS

[fleet pilot]

Requiring one to go to the moon(station) is a steep ask imo

[fleet pilot]

I think low grav would be more fun than 0g imo

[wanton vessel]

Well, if that's the case, then create a special kind of costume

[halcyon ermine]

the game design of lethal company just doesn't allow 0g. it also removes the "horror" aspect completely i think

[fleet pilot]

Make everyone get in a astronaut suit. Has crappy thrusters

[wanton vessel]

the monsters will be terrified

[halcyon ermine]

although in fairness my moons have never been that scary

[halcyon ermine]

lol

[fleet pilot]

I agree that it would make the game less scary

[fleet pilot]

I also agree with this lol, can be creepy alone but with one buddy it's not scary at all😂

[wanton vessel]

Well, it's a horror-comedy

ahah

[halcyon ermine]

Thought I'd say it here as well. I have been working on LC mod's for a good amount of time. I have put in a significant amount of hours and I have enjoyed creating and designing every step of the way. I've noticed that my passion has slowed. So to prevent burning all the creativity and interest for this game out of me. I'm going to take a break for a bit, couple days. This includes discord. So this means I wont respond unless you specifically tag or dm me.
I feel that I have left all my mods and modpacks in a stable place. They are to my knowledge reliable and up-to-date (except Aquatis). After the break I'll be refreshed and I'll finally start with ||Project Freedom||.

I'll be back!

[dire herald]

Noooo my favorite beach episode level!! How dare you not slave away to remake every single map!!!

cheers tho c u later

[uncut nacelle]

i really like the formula of flat and simple textures and simple meshes

especially if you set scrap spawns right you can get the game to do half of your set dressing for you

like factory for example the apparatus is the busiest room in the whole tileset and its literally like 3 shelf racks and a pallet

what would be really, really dope is to see more immersive trap rooms

and more immersive large rooms in general that make you feel like you're going from one large area to another large area

makes you feel lost and raises the sense of risk

i just saw footage of level zero and they separate their facility tileset with a ice ravine area

but on the other side you're back on the same kind of 'tiles' which can be done in dun gen without any added features

idk how it actually works but im assuming hallway tiles can spawn as many times as needed to fulfill the size multiplier / bounding area (i think the size multiplier just increases the bounding box?)

and then room tiles like appratus can only spawn once so there's like a min/max there

it'd probably be cool if the game could differentiate one handed and two handed scrap spawn locations so modders can make areas that can only be accessed via ladder and you can still extract whatever is up there (realistically there wouldn't be two handed items in an inaccessible area in any reality.. right?)

[clever night]

I miss being able to interact with the ship from the older versions of the mod, do you ever plan to implement that?

[cerulean jewel]

:(

I cant load into Celest

It seems to be an issue where you open lethal company, go into a save, everything works, lets say you go to assurance then celest, you die on celest because you're a great asset, you quit the game mid match cuz ur based, you go back to the save, and then you get stuck in infinite loading when you try to land in Celest

But then you can go to another planet, like assurance, and then go back to celest and it stops tweakin?

[restive minnow]

celest also doesn't spawn any monsters for some reason too

[quaint holly]

hypothetically

[cerulean jewel]

thats an issue unrelated to celest, ive had it multiple times myself, i get monsters on celest

[cerulean jewel]

according to my struggles

[restive minnow]

any idea as to why it happens?

[cerulean jewel]

i think thats whats happening

[cerulean jewel]

Do you have AC?

Or any other mod that handles spawns

[restive minnow]

using morecompany instead since it's more optimised

can't think of anything that handles spawns for me but there might be one idk

[cerulean jewel]

hm

weird, you're getting spawns on other planets, just not celest?

[restive minnow]

yep

tbf I did an overhaul and removed about a dozen mods to optimise my list

so one of them might have been the no spawning monsters one

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-gh-gif-8380525

well you can use my good old fashioned bug testing method

A. disable all the mods u got rn

B. enable celest

C. start renabling mods in groups by types and test

Next place I would check is configs

[restive minnow]

I wish it wasn't so tedious 😔

but ye I'll get to it whenever

[cerulean jewel]

[weak flax]

WAZZAAAAAAAAAAH

[cerulean jewel]

WAZZSSSUUUUUUUP

[fast quiver]

I'm epxeriencing the same thing. Sometimes monsters just don't spawn. If you do find out the cause it would be very nice, if you could let me know :)

[wide ermine]

So is aquatis getting ported to LLL soon?

[quaint holly]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-time-crowbar-half-life-gif-15650818

[lyric radish]

ummm why does my config always change?

i mean ship window config

is celestial tint doing it?

i always enable window 3 and it gets disabled after an update or something idk

[wanton vessel]

The idea is interesting I will try to implement a lot but who will take time

[fleet pilot]

He said it's already ported, he's just waiting on a LLL update for something else on the stage

[quaint holly]

LLL update

[mellow vine]

@halcyon ermine I'm getting pretty intense stutters every 5 seconds in orbit and on moons with celestial tint installed. Uninstalling celestial tint fixes it. I only have ShipWindows installed along it. No SpaceSunShine or other stuff.
Also tried disabling all custom moons because that's what I had recently added as well. But I'm pretty sure it's celestial tint..
From what I'm seeing I think it spikes GPU usage during the stutter.

[south bloom]

personally for me i’ve had no stutters

in fact no noticeable effect on performance

i don’t think the mod is really doing anything crazy to the gpu

at least i don’t think so..

[south bloom]

i don’t doubt ur stutter, i just don’t think it’s celestial tint causing it

[quaint holly]

Restart your PC.

[mellow vine]

Never

[quaint holly]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/422937849567117313/796000072524496916/1576641440308.gif

[south bloom]

[mellow vine]

and this is without celestial tint. Nothing else changed.
1% lows 96 fps vs 8 fps with celestial tint

[south bloom]

what is eating so much of ur ram

[mellow vine]

LC and my browser

[south bloom]

that’s a lot of tabs

[mellow vine]

about 830 tabs yes

I paid for all of that ram so I'm gonna use it

[south bloom]

u should consider 64 gigs

[mellow vine]

It's not a bad thing to use all of your ram as long as it's not by a memory leak. Having ram usage below 50% means you could have saved money by buying half

[south bloom]

wait do u tab out a lot from LC?

[mellow vine]

I can purge standby lists tho. Results in about 40% used in game and doesn't change a thing.

[south bloom]

windowed fullscreen?

[mellow vine]

not during these tests. yes windowed fullscreen

[south bloom]

idk try fullscreen. otherwise maybe the mod is conflicting with another mod. OR u actually need to restart ur pc. 🗿

[quaint holly]

No, don't.

Exclusive Fullscreen is a relic. Especially post W10 and has no benefit anymore.

It's also most likely not a real exclusive fullscreen anyway, just like in most modern Unity games.

[south bloom]

im on windows 10

[mellow vine]

'fullscreen' also bugs gamma in my experience

[quaint holly]

W10 including.

[quaint holly]

Because the game takes control of gamma instead of OS.

[mellow vine]

changing gamma in borderless works tho..?

[south bloom]

🤷‍♂️ i’ve noticed fps differences in games such as overwatch, fullscreen vs windowed fullscreen.

[quaint holly]

Or maybe not. My bad.

[uncut nacelle]

post processing and your visor

the game is rendered in HDRP and just taking the PP and the visor off should help

also if you're running at a higher resolution i really recommend frame limiting

looking at your photo im 99% sure thats not the vanilla res

[south bloom]

huh i didn’t notice his res .. yeah my stars look more pixelated compared to his.

[oblique dove]

hey, does celestial tint work with custom moons as well?

like atlas abyss or ether, wesleys moons, etc

[quick sky]

it works based on tags like snowy

or if the devs of the moons add support

[oblique dove]

ahh

alright thanks!

[mellow vine]

are you talking about Diversity's GraphicsAPI or the base game's post processing?
tried disabling PP with HDLC and disabling ImmersiveVisor to no avail.
I'm running 1440p and limit at 120fps with rtss

[uncut nacelle]

base game

120 is too high for the game imo

with mods its just too resource intensive

even if you have pathfinding fix and all the others

performance company will kinda smooth it out but it will also brick my computer

frame limiting has been the only way for me to avoid shutoffs and if you have a more powerful gpu than i do, maybe you don't get shutoffs, but i'd expect that you get stutters at the least.

[mellow vine]

yea tried that. looks awful btw xD

[uncut nacelle]

this game is on the same rendering engine as cities skylines, in other words.. it has issues baked into it.

its almost certainly not celestial tint

and i dont get the same stutter you do

limiting at 90 fps

im also limiting using radeon chill

and idk how well most limiters work on the game

well i turned my post processing back on but i have the visor removed

and that helps, because the visor has HDRP DOF on it and that dof is intensive asf

also higher resolutions mean exponentially less performance

[mellow vine]

I do not have performance problems!
I'm getting a very consistent intense stutter/freeze every 5s even in orbit just after loading into the game when I'm using Celestial Tint.
Disabling Celestial Tint it's all fine. Of course I still get occasional stutters and bad performance when AI goes crazy and all the shit that's happening in this game's code. But I'm not getting that intense reoccuring stutter standing in lobby.

[uncut nacelle]

well im not using the new celestial tint im on the old one before his rework and i get no stutters

or performance problems at all

cant even use his new version because it just doesnt load

[mellow vine]

what version would that be?

1.1.1?

[uncut nacelle]

yup

[mellow vine]

that fixed it! thank you

[uncut nacelle]

cheers

[mellow vine]

fyi @halcyon ermine

[uncut nacelle]

i think he knows

couldnt figure out my load issue yet either but its probably a decently complex problem for this game's code

performance issues that is

[rose roost]

Yeah, I brought it to their attention and they'll get to work on it when they're back from taking a break

[steady lodge]

Can I turn off the sun without removing the planets? :D

Referring to CelestialTint

[south bloom]

i think the point of the sun is so that in the future he can show it being eclipsed when the moon is going through that weather condition

[steady lodge]

Fair enough and a nice idea. In that case my wish would be a for a config option "night mode" with us orbiting on the shaded side of the planet, maybe with a moon that doesn't light up the sky (could have different phases depending on the day even).

Eclipsed would work for both settings since it's sun+moon anyways

[halcyon ermine]

Freedom is coming...?

[heady yarrow]

LOOOORREEE

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[brisk canopy]

which moon is this

[halcyon ermine]

everything I have made and will make

[hearty solstice]

This looks awesome

[brisk canopy]

you have 4 moons plus a space station right? i dont download the packs i do indivually just saved on updates and helps for maps we dont use we can remove

i test new mods i download on your space station map its a fun test area

[halcyon ermine]

All my things currently on the thunderstore can be seen here #1198736199297286196 message

[brisk canopy]

thats what i was double checking i see it on R2 when i search your name i just didnt know if you had more moons in your exploration pack then you did individual moons

[hearty solstice]

Wait, it just reoccurred to me that you made Explorations

I wanted to say huge thanks, that pack is what inspired me to make my Quality Moons modpack

[topaz terrace]

Discord doesn’t like hidden links, sory

[hearty solstice]

ohhh gotcha

[vestal fjord]

You can repost that, just without the link masking.

😄 yeah

[hearty solstice]

sure, ty

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Easyidle123/Easyidles_Quality_Moons/

[halcyon ermine]

that's dope! It looks like a good modpack!

[brisk canopy]

is this lll moons?

[hearty solstice]

Thanks :D

[hearty solstice]

LLL and LethalExpansion (gross I know)

Wesley's Moons are amazing, and Aquatis is also amazing

Once those two port I'll drop LethalExpansion

or LECore rather

[halcyon ermine]

@vestal fjord sorry for the ping, but can you pin this?

[brisk canopy]

i removed wesleys i like his maps but my favorite is cosmocos but the game crashes when we bring our loot tot he shipp and its the coolest moon ive seen wish it didnt crash on us

[vestal fjord]

Done

[halcyon ermine]

thank you

[brisk canopy]

you only havd mod packs for your moons 28 moons being the smallest pack thatll take forever to start, got a smaller packwith the new custom interiors on them?

[hearty solstice]

Just delete Wesley's Moons, Aquatis, and LethalExpansion / LECore

wesley's alone has 13

so its only 15 moons without it

I've been considering removing it anyway or at least some of the others, because i agree that 28 for what was meant to be a small pack is too many

It's hard to know which of Wesley's to take out though, they're just all so good

[halcyon ermine]

i have personally decided to probably keep wesley out my pack (or keep 1). And just link his full colection as an option. Not because i think they are bad, but because they are designed to work with each other and i would have to many moons in my pack

[latent flax]

i live with the issues cause they're just all so good and i cant bare to part with them im a shill for those moons

im hype for the aquatis update whenever it happens.....

[hearty solstice]

Yeah me too

That's actually the main reason I'm excited about LLL continuing tbh

Aside from the continued existence of the modding community as we know it of course

[tranquil tide]

https://tenor.com/view/die-lit-die-simpsons-simons-the-simpsons-gif-20592541

me watching this trailer:

[brisk canopy]

shame installed easyidles and lost my safe that was really well played on

[gaunt ingot]

@halcyon ermine I've updated Ship Windows to detect Celestial Tint, so you don't need to deal with the config file for space anymore.

[hearty solstice]

???

how so?

that shouldn't be possible unless you added it on a fresh profile, in which case the only issue would be with not having the Better Saves mod if you used that

unless you mean like a natural death

[copper linden]

I didn't think custom logs worked, this is hype

[brisk canopy]

all my prior settings got reverted to default so all the stuffed turned off in ship windows is back on and my items on ship were all gone but still said i was on day 7 but none of my ship items

[hearty solstice]

Sorry to hear that :(

To be honest I have no idea what could've caused the issue, my pack is pretty barebones

my only guess would be LECore if you didn't have it but that should be stable too

[brisk canopy]

i had that, it added sfsdesats files n tons of other things a terminal manager

[latent flax]

hyped for whenever aquatis gets ported now that batsy has confirmed progress will continue

[hearty solstice]

Me too

Aquatis is one of my favorite moons

[latent flax]

its my group's favorite i'd say so they'll be def hyped

[shrewd stirrup]

ok, question, I feel like roots config mod might have messed up my config files back when it was a dependency for Celestial Tint. Anyone else know if this is a thing?

And perchance how I could fix it?

im in the middle of reinstalling every single mod from scratch

sooo

Any other options would be greatly appreciated :P

[hexed rose]

Is it safe though? It has LLL and expansion mixed together.

[hearty solstice]

Expansion is disabled by Core. Also, I haven't had any issues with it in all the time I've played with it

I've heard of people having weird interior desyncs but as far as I know that's a problem across all of LLL right now. I've added LLLFixed for now to mitigate it

[shrewd stirrup]

I think im gonna release a modpack too!

[hearty solstice]

Nice, Ill give you help if you want any

In terms of setting the file structure up

[shrewd stirrup]

dang, that would be amazing :P I've got not clue what I'm getting myself into at all

but no pressure honestly because it'll probably take me a while

[copper linden]

Have you tried going to your profile folder, finding the BepInEx/plugins folder, and deleting the root.config folder or whatever it's called?

[shrewd stirrup]

I have yeah!

It's just that I seem to now have a LOT of folders

like

(And i've been trying to clean up the folders that are empty 👀 )

[hexed rose]

I'm looking into LLLFixed and it doesn't give me much confidence.

[copper linden]

Dang that sucks. The mod seems to have problems with anything that isn't a fresh profile more or less, so while it's great for large modpacks it seems it doesn't play well with existing configs - at least in this game.

[hexed rose]

Guess I'll just toss it into the mod-salad.

[shrewd stirrup]

I recommend LethalQuantities for configuring interiors instead of LLL config!

It's far easier in my opinion

[fleet pilot]

Pasting it here too incase you have mentions off. I found a mod with working low grav, maybe the creator can help you with yours https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1217280417015795802

[halcyon ermine]

awesome, i'll update it

[halcyon ermine]

oh sick, i'll ask how he did it

[fleet pilot]

Working might be a tiny stretch, he did say it's a little buggy. But the video looked very promising

[fast quiver]

may I ask which mod you used for these smooth the camera flights? 👀

[halcyon ermine]

i filmed most of it in the editor.

I just came across this https://www.patreon.com/posts/2024-is-year-99207687. its about v50

[glacial lintel]

i actually came here from ship windows. i never knew the celestial tint mod existed until now. thank you for showing this mod! both ship windows and celestial tint are absolutely fantastic

also i wanna say i absolutely love this celestial tint mod

the planets look great and i'm really hyped for any new updates

[jaunty lintel]

welcome bacc

[glacial lintel]

i hope soon perhaps there could be some sort of transition animation between planets, like maybe some stars flying by really fast during the switch between planets? i think thatd be really cool

[jaunty lintel]

yeah i was thinking about that today

[glacial lintel]

i think this is still a really cool mod either way :D
im super hyped for any updates to ship windows or celestial tint

[halcyon ermine]

you too lol.

[halcyon ermine]

thank you!

[halcyon ermine]

that is something i want to make.

[glacial lintel]

thats absolutely awesome to hear! thank you for updating these mods, i greatly appreciate any updates done :D

[patent crow]

wait. V50 is coming?

i wish it does not break the mods we currently have

[south bloom]

mods aren’t officially supported through the game’s code. that’s why bepin is being used. it clearly wasn’t in zeeker’s initial vision when he created the game and i don’t think we can reasonably expect him to go out of his way to do so when he just wants to make his game.
depending on what he does, some mods will be fine and some will be broken.

[patent crow]

yeah. thats why wish none breaks

well if the mod is active. then they will just update and adapt like last time for v47 to v49

[quaint holly]

No. Development of LC was cancelled.

No update is ever going to come out ever again.

[sinful bobcat]

Yup

The sad truth

[quaint holly]

/s btw

[patent crow]

oof

so till he gets the spark, we wait?

[south bloom]

pretty sure he’s working on it rn

like he posted something on twitter

he was just taking a break in january

[patent crow]

because i remember he was going to add new stuff like monsters

[halcyon ermine]

I want to change up the moons that are included in the Explorations modpack. I am looking for high-quality or creative moons that are not that well known. I am making a list of some moons that could (maybe) work (I haven't tested them). I just want to know if I have missed any or if anyone wants to leave suggestions.

I will maybe rotate some moons out,

• Kast, waiting for LLL port and an update?
• SecretLabs, depends on what the people want. (its not styled towards vanilla)

Note: Budapest is not on the list. I dont know if it is still getting support from the developer

[mellow vine]

Ganimedes maybe?

[halcyon ermine]

oh yeah

[fast quiver]

Check out mine if you want, it's just released and not bad https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Guodan/Crest/

[stone pumice]

Crest looks v interesting, thanks for the share out here though

And thank god, that's one "easy" or mid game moon, we can't with end game / late game moons frankly (talking abt me an my friends, not the whole community)

[wanton vessel]

looks great

can I get more screenshots?

[minor raptor]

i recommend you make a thread for crest/the rest of your moons if you plan on making more, it's a great way for users to give feedback

[fast quiver]

Thank, I will create my own thread soon, don't wanna hi-jack this thread just wanted to quickly reply

[minor raptor]

lol

[fast quiver]

lol

[halcyon ermine]

yeah i saw it. I already put it on the list of possibilities. it looked good

[halcyon ermine]

its fine

[fast quiver]

Cool, if you try it, even if you don't like it, I would appreciate your feedback! ❤️

[slate blade]

Instantly downloaded it when Masa saw it. The thumbnail looks VERY interesting.

Will make sure to follow your thread when it appears!

[quick sky]

are you fr?

[covert pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[dark marsh]

they said "/s" right after

[covert pulsar]

Ye they ain't being serious about the news at all

[untold totem]

yeah uh

quick question

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/20M7GZk7JBfDqR/d1337lgFuwNt?invite=cr-MSxNS2UsMjE3NTIwOTU1LA

where's the main entrance again?

[minor raptor]

it's over there

[untold totem]

?????

[quick sky]

Oh that scared me lol

[quick sky]

Didnt see that

[fast quiver]

oh, its right at || oops will be fixed ||

#1217558052891525210

[gaunt ingot]

@halcyon ermine I've had a few people report that space has been black outside for them regardless of settings and even if Celestial Tint was disabled. Apparently the copy of NightSky.dll in Celest gets loaded as plugin by bepin and triggers my detection since the GUID matches Celestial Tint. Is there any way you can change that or even remove the plugin from Celest since you have it as a standalone mod now? If not, probably not a big deal. I can probably check the location of the plugin as well as the GUID, but it is a bit of a hack.

[halcyon ermine]

oh yeah. i forgot about that one. Is it possible that you check for versions? Only detect NightSky when 1.0.1 or above.

Because I cant update Celest right now or in the very close future.

[glacial lintel]

i was wondering something about the celestian tint mod: the plan for moons to appear to the side of the ship and above it, will this be a config setting or will a random position be chosen every time you fly to a moon, or will both options be available?

[halcyon ermine]

I dont know yet, i'll try to set it up in a way for config options

[gaunt ingot]

Alright, I'll try that when I get home

[hearty solstice]

I really dislike the Budapest gameplay loop

And it adds a full 20 seconds to the game's load time alone, even before the main menu

It has some great decoration but in practice it's just a gruelling walk to and from the entrance

[copper linden]

Haven't had the time to test them all, but there might be 1 or 2 LLL Moons you haven't seen in the list here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIMxtYa64d8WkFnRGXLcx6Pi16bwTwHp69r8PUUo39o/edit?usp=drivesdk

Only one I feel strongly about in the current list with the (?)s is Bozoros (hi matt) because I think it's a solid map

[halcyon ermine]

thank you for the list

[halcyon ermine]

yeah the loading time, file size and some design aspect were indeed the reason i didn't want to include it

[hearty solstice]

+1 to bozoros

Also, I feel like Outpost 31 fits the vibe of Explorations pretty well if its not in there already

[halcyon ermine]

This is the current list (can change). I want to keep the amount of moons to a minimal.
Red is no or removed. Green is yes or keep included. Yellow is maybe.

please let me know your thoughts

[hearty solstice]

That looks great to me

starlancer moons definitely all deserve to be in there

[cerulean jewel]

what I am looking at

[hearty solstice]

the upcoming changes to the Explorations modpack

[cerulean jewel]

crest?

I gotta remind myself

oo looks sexy

Why no to Danielus_Catalyst

Now you didnt hear this from me

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-stare-gif-25080910

but Catalyst solos Outpost 31 anyday of the week

[halcyon ermine]

Its not that Catalyst is bad, its more that i want to limit the amount of moons. Outpost slotted in pretty much perfectly with the other moons. Maybe I'll add it in a future moon rotation

[cerulean jewel]

Im not sure of Bozoros

Its a well made moon

[hearty solstice]

I feel like the mod community really needs a mod that swaps out routable moons every day / quota / run

[cerulean jewel]

But its style is...

Also

[hearty solstice]

That way you could play with pretty big moon modpacks without being overwhelmed / constantly able to avoid weather

[cerulean jewel]

YEA WHAT HAPPENED TO INFERNIS

[halcyon ermine]

oh no Infernis #1 fan is typing

[cerulean jewel]

JHAHAHA

[latent flax]

oh i wasnt gonna state anything about infernis lmao

[halcyon ermine]

i fully agree

[latent flax]

i was gonna agree with

cause that would be cool

honestly a lot of things need some kinda mod that randomizes them

moons, meltdown songs, some third thing

[halcyon ermine]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1200060289320755210 this pretty much

that would solve it very well in my opinion

[latent flax]

honestly yeah

that'd make it easier to sort moons based on creator too

[hearty solstice]

I'm also a big fan of this:

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1199474436303245373

[latent flax]

all of wesley's moons in one system

[hearty solstice]

its sort of a collection of ideas based around the star map system, but in a way that'd be less likely to trap you into a specific part of the map

[latent flax]

then i can just clump the other moons to its own system

[halcyon ermine]

yeah that is the main problem with that routing design

[hearty solstice]

#1199474436303245373 message

[halcyon ermine]

that would be very neat

[hearty solstice]

I proposed 4 variations here

There's also grouping ideas somewhere in there

[latent flax]

anyways uhhhhhhhh where'd infernis go ?

[hearty solstice]

you could group based on price / difficulty / temperature / moon author

[halcyon ermine]

👀

[hearty solstice]

and then have either similar moons for one of those tags go in similar systems

or have every solar system be arranged where closer / further from the sun determines it

[latent flax]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gusfring-gif-24463299

[hearty solstice]

which would balance well with ensuring most systems had a free moon, etc

[halcyon ermine]

that would be a very good idea

Just the mod maker left to get lol

[hearty solstice]

yeah rip

A good precursor would be batby's idea where you basically get a "route" you can pick from the company building every quota, you'd get a few lists of moons and would have to pick one of the routes where you'd then be locked into that set for a quotaz

so you still get a choice and its not completely random, while also being able to limit the player more for moon count

I think mechanically that'd be a lot easier to code than a moon map system too

[latent flax]

i completely understand tho

i assume cause of LECore being packaged, general term, with wesley's moons and that fucks a lot up (so ive heard ive had no issues myself but)

[cerulean jewel]

I have had ZERO LECore issues with wesley's moons

[latent flax]

me neither but i keep seeing that it causes so much issues

and i havent see any

[halcyon ermine]

i am trying to get LE out, but the things with infernis is more that it is a wesley moon. I think they are fantastic, but I also think they work very well together. So I think i will kick Infernis out and put a link to all wesleys moons in the description

[latent flax]

tho i know for a fact when they switch to LLL so many things will be fixed i didnt even realize were issues

[latent flax]

true wesley is the goat....

[halcyon ermine]

Wesleys moons are pretty much an entire modpack by itself

[latent flax]

its ironic tho

i think ive been to aquatis way more than any moon funnily enough

idk its just its almost perfect

those fucking birds that i hate

[hearty solstice]

exactly

aquatis is so great

its also kind of a vacation moon to me

if you go somewhere terrifying and need a chill

[halcyon ermine]

1.5 months 👀

[cerulean jewel]

HEY

[latent flax]

the update is in 1.5 months or

[halcyon ermine]

but its coming soon hopefully

[cerulean jewel]

thats MY line

[halcyon ermine]

no it has been 1.5 months

[latent flax]

ohhhh

also wait i do have like

a question

[latent flax]

or well like kinda a request almost

[halcyon ermine]

shoot

[latent flax]

actually a question and a request

first request

i feel like theres too many bees on celest

like 5 in a straight line kinda too many

[halcyon ermine]

thats fair, they are kind of invisible in the grass

[latent flax]

i dont have any type of footage but like it feels like theres a bit too much and yeah that too

grass makes them very hard to see

[halcyon ermine]

i'll do some rebalancing

[latent flax]

question time

are dogs supposed to run back and forth for no reason on celest

idk what it was but the dogs were just going crazy despite there being no noise whatsoever

[halcyon ermine]

They attack manticoils and bees

[latent flax]

oh they do??

[halcyon ermine]

and other creatures im pretty sure

[robust osprey]

They also attack baboon hawks

[latent flax]

ive seen them attack BHs

but never bees or mcs

new info learned ig

[halcyon ermine]

i dont actually know if they attack bees, but that is what i suspect.

[latent flax]

kinda makes the dogs just roadblocks if anything more than actual threats lmao

they blocked a path off cause they kept running back and forth and we had to go through the trees

Not advocating for the dogs cause fuck em but yeah

[halcyon ermine]

although unintended, i think that works well with celest. So you can get lost lol

[latent flax]

oh fair lmao

also i do have one more request thats less of a request and more me begging

PLEASE I BEG OF YOU

lower the spawnrate of baboon hawks on aquatis just a tiny bit pleaseeeeeeee

i HATE those fucking BIRDS, sf. i despise them

[halcyon ermine]

its their land. fight them or outsmart them

you can dodge them by not looking at them, not coming close and not provoking them

[latent flax]

not looking at them actually works?

i thought that was like a "yelling at them thing" where it was a myth

[halcyon ermine]

i'm pretty sure it does, i dont know about yelling

[latent flax]

i'll keep that in mind then

[halcyon ermine]

also avoid groups, they have an entire hierarcy and groups

[latent flax]

mhm i know that

[fleet pilot]

Looking at the baboon hawks increases your threat level. Higher the players threat level = higher chance the bh attacks you

[latent flax]

i see

[south bloom]

well some AIs like the hoarding bugs react to sound. i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar with baboon hawks.

[halcyon ermine]

they can even go to sleep if the thread level is low enough

[latent flax]

i wish i didnt have awful luck with em still

I've only died to them purely cause they wont go after anyone wlse

literally my friend could be smacking them with a shovel and they'll keep pecking me

[fleet pilot]

I think I've seen this a couple of times before. I always thought they stopped moving for a bit. This makes way more sense!

[south bloom]

u must be tasty

[latent flax]

-mosquito in my home

[halcyon ermine]

their AI is probably the most advanced lol. they are under appreciated

[south bloom]

i mean they look goofy

[halcyon ermine]

they do.

[latent flax]

yea they're like outdoor hoarding bugs

[halcyon ermine]

did you know they are lore wise, apes with wings?

[latent flax]

they're like wasps while HBs are like bees

[shut flicker]

I have a clip of my friend walking up to one of them thinking it died. It then sprung up and killed her immediately

[halcyon ermine]

dont wake them up

they get mad

[shut flicker]

Indeed

Need more entities that pretend to be dead that shit was funny

[south bloom]

all those time i’ve been yelling at it coz my friend told me to

[halcyon ermine]

that may also work

[latent flax]

it doesnt

i can confirm

if it did i would have died so much less

[south bloom]

hopefully that one youtuber does a breakdown of their AI

[latent flax]

they dont like being told go away but in a mean way with curses that i cant type cause it dont let me

[south bloom]

alter ego

[halcyon ermine]

baboon hawk code is 1700 lines, dogs is 700, giants 760 and worms 350

[south bloom]

wtf

[stray solstice]

yeah dont try to bypass automod :p

[latent flax]

fair enough

[stray solstice]

im trynna figure out which part of the wormAI stops it from getting near the ship tbh

[halcyon ermine]

i have not dug into it, I do know that its got a bool cannotBeInShip, but other than that i got nothing

[stray solstice]

Yeah I've got no idea about how movement AI works, that's gonna be a pain to learn

[halcyon ermine]

LC just uses Unity's build in NavMeshAgent

i mean you probably knew that already nvm

[stray solstice]

Nah it is good to know

You overestimate my knowledge

Never used unity before a week or so ago

[halcyon ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHV1ymlw-P8 always trust in brackeys

[stray solstice]

Bet

I'll give that a watch

[south bloom]

even if the giant doesnt step on the ship anymore, what if it was in front of the ship as it’s taking off. will players still be at risk of stomp damage/death?

[stray solstice]

Yeah that's long been solved, the colliders that deal instant kill damage are at the bottom of its feet

So unless the ship is kissing its feet, u shouldn't die

[halcyon ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/orangutan-orangutan-baby-baby-orangutan-orangutan-kiss-kiss-gif-24373275

[south bloom]

oh okay. wasnt sure how it was dealing damage.

[stray solstice]

It detects if you're close by for shockwaves and also deals damage if you're on the bottom of the feet

[gaunt ingot]

Version check works well, shouldn't be an issue anymore :)

[fast quiver]

pog! I have a pretty cool update coming soon 👀

[sinful bobcat]

Do you plan on letting us choose which moons have which visual in the config for CelestialTint?

[small wigeon]

Being the person who made Outpost and Bozoros (I'm honored to be considered btw), I feel I must make my case to put Bozoros over Outpost simply because I put way more work into it. However I would understand why many would feel it doesn't belong due to me pushing the art style a bit out of the norm for LC

I have a heavy bias with this since Outpost was my first moon to just test the waters and learn how to make maps for LC

[heady yarrow]

Just a heads up— last I checked, E Gypt still has an audio issue that stops all ambient noise outside after leaving the facility

[heady yarrow]

man’s spitting straight facts

[verbal hamlet]

Bozoros is great imo, it caught my attention specifically because the style is so distinct from other moons.

[halcyon ermine]

unlikely in the near future. I would have to implement a similar system to LLL (config wise). I will stick with the Tag system for now.

[halcyon ermine]

Yeah so Outpost fills a gap in LC modded moons (in my opinion), but it does kind of require a make-over. Tolian is also working on an ice moon so maybe the better choice is to replace Outpost with Bozoros (even though it doesn't really fit LC thematically. I think it is a very creative and high-quality moon) and let Tolian take the ice moon "slot" that Outpost would have gotten.

[dark marsh]

me and my bros can't land on Celest, it gets stuck after this message in the console

[halcyon ermine]

i think that is an issue with LethalLevelLoader. I'm pretty sure the only fix is to restart the game

[dark marsh]

sadly it didn't help, we even made a new save with a money mod to test it

[native dagger]

the issue looks like the game was trying to spawn in map hazards, but for one reason or another it couldn't

like the moon/dungeon's data for the map hazards did not match

[halcyon ermine]

I set the spawnable objects for Celest to nothing. It should be empty. strange

[native dagger]

ahh ya, i see what you mean. if the spawnable objects is empty nothing should spawn

but, i know a mod like LethalThings adds its own map hazard to the moons, which means that something may still spawn, which causes the map hazard spawner to start crying since there are no map hazard spawn points in the dungeon/moon

[jaunty lintel]

i know if the dungeon doesnt have every maphazard the moon asks for the game breaks

cant remember if that goes both ways

[native dagger]

theoretically, if the moon's map props is empty, it's all good. but other mods can influence the map props so bugs can resurface

[halcyon ermine]

Is there a way to fix it? Add a prop and set its spawn chance to zero?

[native dagger]

you can probably get away with adding an empty room (outside of the real map) that has a single map hazard spawn point

that way, no matter what, everything will spawn there as a failsafe

[halcyon ermine]

ok i'll try that

[jaunty lintel]

tbh id try having the landmine and turret at 0 rarity first

[native dagger]

i don't think that's the issue, since I used to test my dungeon by wiping out the map hazard list, and i never had issues

but you can try both methods and see whats best

[halcyon ermine]

unrelated, this is the current Explorations update list. With Bozoros as very likely

[plucky stream]

the stutters for me were only present in 1.1.3, previous versions were fine (including 1.1.2)

[dark marsh]

I have lethal things, i will try disabling the teleporter trap and the boomba

[sinful bobcat]

Boombas should be fine, they're considered enemies and not hazards

[dark marsh]

ok

[fleet pilot]

Does this mean there's never any turrets or mines inside on Celest?

[halcyon ermine]

there should've been, but i'll check

[fleet pilot]

Or is spawnable objects the rocks and pumpkins outside? the convo was about hazards which is why I asked about mines and turrets

[native dagger]

The error happens in SpawnMapObjects(), which are the dungeon's hazards

As opposed to SpawnOutsideHazards(), which are the moon objectts

[fleet pilot]

So I guess my first question still stands

[native dagger]

solid naming by Zeekers like always

[native dagger]

if you mean this, then according to sf, there would be no turrets or mines

unless i misread you sf

[fleet pilot]

That's what I assumed. So my question is why no turrets and mines? Just curious

[shrewd stirrup]

Have to ask, do you go to Atlas Abyss or Egypt much?

Also Crest or affliction?

I haven't seen/been to any of those yet

[halcyon ermine]

I'll be honest I don't play the game that much anymore lol. But i do still think they hold up their value.

[shrewd stirrup]

hehe :P yeah same xD

[halcyon ermine]

they're new, but show a massive amount of potential

[shrewd stirrup]

how so?

actually ill take a look at them anyway

[south bloom]

egypt is the closest thing u'd get to a dune experience in lethal company.

[halcyon ermine]

they practically just released. Affliction has almost prefectly imitated the vanilla style. and Crest is a good looking, creative moon

[fleet pilot]

Tolian's new moons are up. Nyx is beautiful

If you're doing interiors in your pack it's perfect for Scoopy's dungeon

[halcyon ermine]

yea i heard. i gotta check the mout

[south bloom]

btw would it be possible to have shipwindow's skybox with celestialtint's planet?

[halcyon ermine]

no, i dont think that would be possible

I mean i can implement more starmaps that could be chosen from

[south bloom]

if it doesnt trouble u, that would be nice

i just like how pretty shipwindow's skybox looks

[halcyon ermine]

@native dagger I have the standard Landmine and Turret settings in here. Could it be a problem with an interior mod itself?

[halcyon ermine]

i understand. i'll see what i can do

[native dagger]

ohh wait, maybe

the interior needs to have (almost) exactly these same map objects

[halcyon ermine]

no buts

[native dagger]

no wait, let me think

to be clear, is that what the settings were when the bug happened?

[halcyon ermine]

i can write it up as a one time thing and ignore it untill someone else start having the problem

[halcyon ermine]

yes

[native dagger]

then maybe it's an interior problem then? until we get more info, it feels like we are shooting in the dark here

looking back at the og error log, i can barely see text stating that the interior couldn't spawn in a few scrap items, which should never happen (unless it was a custom interior)

so its probably some other mod's fault

[halcyon ermine]

yes probably. especially since it doesnt happen with for most people

[dark marsh]

disabled teleporter traps, didn't change anything

[dark marsh]

i have poolrooms and office installed

i'll try disabling both

didn't change anything

i'll try removing all mods and readding them in batches to see which one breaks it, i dont want to delete celeste nor interiors

[south bloom]

if u r using thunderstore u dont have to delete... u can disable

[shrewd stirrup]

what about dune

😎

[south bloom]

well the map is sandy.. and there's sandworms

so basically like dune

[quaint holly]

There's a literal Dune moon.

[south bloom]

just looked it up rn.. DuneMoon by Specter?

[slate blade]

THe worms dont even jump in the dune moon 😭

[clever night]

does anoyone know if any mods have already patched themselves to use specific moons from celestial tint?

[quaint holly]

It works off of tags, which existed for a while in LLL.

They just have to be tagged properly. No explicit support needed.

@halcyon ermine or are your tags new/unique?

[sinful bobcat]

None of the moons I have has the correct Celestial Tint moon

[clever night]

yeah, I think im going to start patching my moon mods, just didint want to waste my time on what already worked

[sinful bobcat]

How are you gonna patch them yourself?

[quaint holly]

My wording was a bit misleading probably.

What I meant is that support is not hard to add and some probably already have it without it actually being explicitly for Celestial Tint.

[clever night]

oh is there not a config? I assumed there was, like with interior mods

[quaint holly]

No.

[clever night]

that should be a essential feature

[halcyon ermine]

it is not a config option. Its very difficult to add a moon specific option to change tags and keep it synced between clients. It may be better if such a config option comes in LLL @jaunty lintel ?

because most of the systems are already in place in LLL

[halcyon ermine]

I have added some tags that are not used by vanilla moons.

[quaint holly]

Those exits in LLL though, right?

Or is there no "list" of tags?

[halcyon ermine]

the tag system is LLL exclusive. Its made by IAmBatby. This is the list for vanilla moons. And here is the list of tags I currently have support for: https://github.com/sfDesat/Celestial-Tint/wiki/Adding-support-for-Celestial-Tint

The pictures on my github page are from an older version. They look a bit different now

[quaint holly]

Yeah, I was just trying to understand if all the tags you listed come from LLL or if you added some completely new ones.

[halcyon ermine]

Ocean is currently the only new one i have added, but I want to add a lot more. I just cant work on any mods until wednesday

[clever night]

so how can moon moders add these tags to their moons?

[halcyon ermine]

There is an option for LevelTags in their ExtentedLevel asset (for LLL). If the moon uses LE, the only possibility is to change the PlanetPrefab to moon1 (wasteland), moon2 (forest) or moon3 (snow)

[jaunty lintel]

Tags will not be user configurable 👍

[halcyon ermine]

i figured, just wanted to check

[jaunty lintel]

Forsure, It’s very much by design

While it puts a slight pressure on creators tags exist in concept to alleviate the need for such finnicky user to user tweaking, especially in the longer term

@clever night ^

[slate blade]

Wait, are those moons that work or just moons in general? Because Frontier & Kaldor do not load for Masa.

[halcyon ermine]

That was just a list of moons that could be included in the Explorations Modpack. red is no, green is yes and orange is maybe

[slate blade]

Ohh okay.

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine Did you manage to look into the performance issues some were getting for the new update? ;o or is that still being looked into?

[halcyon ermine]

i am still looking into fixing performance. The recent update was just a quick hotfix for LE moons. I can't really work a lot on it until wednesday

[frigid topaz]

Alrighty ^^

[copper linden]

Btw the README section about SpaceSunShine being incompatible can be removed now whenever you update next

[halcyon ermine]

oh yes i forgot

[copper linden]

No worries just reminding. Also, what are some of the new tags you had in mind? Or is it top secret classified?

[halcyon ermine]

its top secret classified, because i dont know yet

[tidal gyro]

Does anyone else see a white line when looking out over the horizon on one side of the ship? There's also a small dark object floating out in front of the ship. Here's a quick video I made showing them https://streamable.com/rklevs

Just wondering if it's a bug or if another mod might be causing it 🤔

[hearty solstice]

Pretty sure there's a platform out there, I saw it too

In my most recent session we had OpenBodyCams and when a monitored player left, their camera appeared to teleport to a default player standing out there on the platform

[tidal gyro]

Oh I have that installed. Sounds like that could definitely be it! I'm out right now but I'll try disabling that when I get home. Thanks for the tip.

[hearty solstice]

No problem :) lemme know if that's actually the solution

[tidal gyro]

The smaller dark object no longer appears in front of the ship but the white platform is still there. I'll try disabling more mods later. Here's my code is anyone else has the issue and wants to compare with my pack 018e49cd-2c05-63c0-8a21-530176618dbb

Actually if it's a platform, I wonder if it's a vanilla object that's normally hidden. Might have something to do with joining players.

[halcyon ermine]

that is exactly what it is. I still need to figure out a way to disable the platform

[halcyon ermine]

it is in the vanilla game

[halcyon ermine]

I will release Aquatis today. Just have to finish some things on it

[wanton vessel]

awesome

[verbal hamlet]

Yay 🥳

[halcyon ermine]

only some minor grass fixes left

[stone pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-22712908

[tranquil canopy]

@halcyon ermine maybe dont try the thing that doestn work again the same way

[halcyon ermine]

what am i doing wrong

[tranquil canopy]

i suggest splitting it up

[halcyon ermine]

is it to long?

[tranquil canopy]

yeah something like that

[halcyon ermine]

Aquatis [2.0]

**Patchnotes are to long for discord. Check them out here

Known Bug:

• ||Grass floats||
  Thunderstore will take a moment to update

[stone pumice]

You're a king 👑 Good work Desat!

[quaint holly]

Changelog so big it needed two messages.

[halcyon ermine]

lol

[stone pumice]

Ehh, I'm having this error actually

When trying to land the ship

I remember this happened with another moons like EchoReach and Crest, anybody knows?

[halcyon ermine]

wut

[stone pumice]

People on the discord says this error is related to a mod skipping the intro or some but... I don't use these

[halcyon ermine]

is that all it said? how many other mods do you have?

[stone pumice]

Maybe 30 other mods, i'll disable couple ones and I'll be back to you

This is just related to our modlist I think

[halcyon ermine]

Did you install it manually? if so can you try reinstalling aquatis?

[stone pumice]

Yes it was manual, installed the exact same way as Orion and Celest and I just have this error on Aquatis, I will install it again another time and if it doesn't work I will remove mods one by one, I'll let you know

This is most likely a problem on my side, not related to Aquatis I gotta figure out

Re-installed and still happening, there's gotta be one of my mods that cause this

[halcyon ermine]

I'll also test something

[stone pumice]

Also LLLFixed doesn't help, same error

[halcyon ermine]

Can you try restarting your entire pc? Because I cant reproduce it. #1210653206225363018 message

[pale trout]

Any idea why CelestialTint 1.1.3+ causes the game to stutter? 1.1.2 is working fine.

[halcyon ermine]

is 1.1.2 or 1.1.1 working?

[stone pumice]

Still happening, I got rid of Advanced Company (old version) thinking it could be it, but nope

I'll try to regenerate all config files and delete couple more mods, i'll let you know

[pale trout]

Yeah no stuttering issues with 1.1.2

I'll try a clean profile in a sec cause rn I was testing with ~120 mods profile

[quaint holly]

Aquatis seems to be a bit heavier than your other maps, so I bet there will be some performance reports. @halcyon ermine

[halcyon ermine]

I have seen more people say this

[halcyon ermine]

Yes I’ll be honest I have kind of rushed it out. Grass floats and performance isn’t great

[quaint holly]

Personally don't have any issue myself. Nothing like Celest.

Just seeing that the GPU load is higher than usual.

[halcyon ermine]

yeah a big problem is the grass. it can introduce lag spikes and is pretty heavy

but i dont have the time right now to fix it

[wind minnow]

AQUATIS 2.0

🙏

[stone pumice]

What in the hell, whenever I load Celest at the same time as Aquatis, it gives me the error
@halcyon ermine

I only have Aquatis, I can land, if I load Celest, it gives me the error

I might need to update Celest though

well i have the latest version of Celest? Huhh

[halcyon ermine]

can you try removing NightSky plugin inside the Aquatis folder?

[stone pumice]

Nope, still giving me the error

Should i try remove the NightSky plugin of Celest also?

[halcyon ermine]

do you have CelestialTint installed

[stone pumice]

I actually have loaded:
LLL, LethaLib, Celest and Aquatis

Nothing more

I'll try to revert back to standard LLL and not LLLFixed though

[halcyon ermine]

can you try setting Aquatis and Celest to false in the LLL config

[stone pumice]

Well the LLL config is disabled, is it by default?

I'll go check it

Is that it?

[halcyon ermine]

yes

[stone pumice]

It was already that way

[halcyon ermine]

do you use r2modman?

[stone pumice]

Nope, manual

I'll try to re regenerate all the config files

[halcyon ermine]

ok. I have no idea what else it coulde be

[stone pumice]

Is this a normal startup error?

I saw this while testing with Orion and Aquatis, giving the same result

Also, I did not load Celest, but the terminal still display Celest as a destination, while I have regenerated the config files, and Celest is not loaded

I only have Aquatis and Orion loaded, but Celest is displayed

[halcyon ermine]

do a file search of your whole Lethal Company folder for Celest or Aquatis or Orion

[stone pumice]

Don't tell me it can grab from outside BepInEx folder, can it?

Cause i made BepInEx backups there

[halcyon ermine]

I dont know how LLL works. But maybe?

[stone pumice]

I'll delete the backups and try again

[quaint holly]

I had both installed without issues. 🤔

[halcyon ermine]

move the backups to a different folder further away, like Documents

[stone pumice]

Thanks at least I know it's coming from me

[stone pumice]

I'm doing this right now

But why would I have issues now, and not all this time I did this like, since i started adding mods and all I did the backups there like 🤷‍♂️ weird

[halcyon ermine]

it is strange

[wind minnow]

same

[stone pumice]

The little shxt was grabbing mods from another folder named "BepInEx_aquatis-no-issues"

Seriously

It works now, at least Aquatis & Orion

I'll test Celest but 100% it was the issue, god damn it

[halcyon ermine]

it do be like that sometimes lol

very annoying

[stone pumice]

what in the hell would it grab mods outside of the starting "BepInEx" folder like
I'd understand if my backups were inside the Bepinex folder but, like it was outside

lol

Yup can confirm, I got it working all good now

Thank you for the support Desat even though it wasnt related to your mods, very appreciated

[halcyon ermine]

great! no problem

[stone pumice]

I'll keep backups away from Lethal folder now, lmao, teached me a lesson

[rose roost]

postcard worthy picture

[limber ether]

I think there might be a conflict with HDLethalCompany too
https://pastebin.com/DcyA8pfq

Something about the fog

[halcyon ermine]

hmm ok. thank you for the report

[halcyon ermine]

including the beautiful ||floating grass|| 🤫

[wind minnow]

thats basically what aquatis is to me: a vacation

go there if we have been having a rough time

[limber ether]

Also got another weird issue, when playing multiplayer im (host) able to get in to the interior, but nobody else can

https://pastebin.com/vrvbJatr <-- This is the log from someone else's machine who couldnt enter through any entrance

[stone pumice]

Same here, we go there when we know that we are dead on quota

at least we got a great view before... the end of existence 😬

[rocky sundial]

hope a moon changing animation is added to celestial tint soon, only thing preventing me from using it is the lack of an animation for that

[sinful bobcat]

I noticed that none of your maps changes its sky when the weather is rainy or stormy. Is it because of limitations? Because it feels weird to have rain come from a clear sky

[halcyon ermine]

i will! it's next on the list

[rocky sundial]

yippep!

[halcyon ermine]

stormy should have a different sky, but rainy not. I have to figure out how to do that

[gaunt ingot]

Animating volumes is so bad lol

[halcyon ermine]

You either have to have a lot of volumes or make a script that can change volume settings during runtime

[gaunt ingot]

Was a little bored and decided to play with it a little

[halcyon ermine]

that looks sick

[clever night]

@halcyon ermine what is the coded name for aquatis? For some reason just typing aquatis wont let me assign interior mods to the moon

this used to work but dosent anymore

[halcyon ermine]

should be Aquatis or 112 Aquatis

[clever night]

i will try 112

[halcyon ermine]

** Aquatis [2.0.1]**

• Fixed Facility dungeon weight
• Fixed floating grass
• Added random noise to grass shape
• Increased grass view distance
• Touched up terrain textures

Thunderstore will take a moment to update

[stray solstice]

you're probably missing the capital A

the internal name shouldnt have the number on it

[clever night]

i tried that, but captials letters havent had a effect before, either way i am reseting my config file. It may be broken

[languid basin]

Yo, realized ExpansionAssets show up as Deprecated?

Sup with that? Should I uninstall?

[halcyon ermine]

yes its no longer used

[languid basin]

It's still listed as a requirement on https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/sfDesat/sfDesat/

But good to know

Thanks

[halcyon ermine]

I am going to redesign that modpack later

[pulsar heath]

holy..

[wind minnow]

imo make it just have the moons bundled together

like wesleys

[halcyon ermine]

thats the plan

[clever night]

uhhh i dont know why but i cant land on aquatis now, i have landed multiple times on the latest version of the moon but now it just dosent do it?!

[latent flax]

WOOOOOOOO AQUATIS UPDATE LETS FUCKING GOOO

[slate blade]

It looks so pretty nowwww

[stone pumice]

Does Facility weight is back at 300 or is it changed then?

[halcyon ermine]

it was weighing double so 2x 300

[stone pumice]

Alrighty

[fair dagger]

After rejoining to the server:

[Error  : Unity Log] [NightSkyPlugin] AssetBundle is not loaded. Unable to replace prefabs.

[halcyon ermine]

did you still see the correct planets outside the ship?

[fair dagger]

yeah

[halcyon ermine]

ok thank you. i'll add a check to remove the error

[small wigeon]

Aquatis is looking good!

If I may, I noticed the rock LODs pop a little too quickly, to the point it distracted me for a bit

Honestly with LC and how low budget the rest of this map is, I wouldn't have bothered to have rock LODs since there are so few of them on this map anyway. Might be better to go with a low poly one?

[halcyon ermine]

The LOD distance changes automatically with size. I'm gonna have to set the distance manually in the next update

[small wigeon]

Loving the new foliage

[halcyon ermine]

thank you!

[real herald]

unusual bug but, anybody else having aquatis' interior flooded? kinda similar to oopsallflooded's thing but it doesnt seem to have a surface lol

[sinful bobcat]

I know you recommend getting SpaceShipDoor with CelestialTint so
do you plan on making the invisible parts of the ship visible again when were into orbit?

[halcyon ermine]

what part is invisible?

[sinful bobcat]

Hold on, let me get a screenshot

I'm supposed to be standing on something here

[halcyon ermine]

I'll take a look at the ship

[bold compass]

are there screenshots of the new aquatis? can't get around to playing for a few days

[gaunt ingot]

Noticed a few issues while playing around with animating the planet:

• The moon prefab gets despawned really early, so the animation has to be crazy fast or the level change over itself has to be patched and delayed.
• It's SUPER laggy while being animated (note FPS in top right)

[pulsar heath]

Have this bug as well. I immediately getting drowned when entering the interior lmao

[tidal gyro]

Same here, was just about to post about it 😛

I couldn't see any errors in the logs and it happens with all interiors. Here's my profile code for my mod list 018e4f3c-2569-c516-f17d-b4150768980f

[lapis turret]

How did you get a new background for the stars and the animations?

[gaunt ingot]

I hadn't replaced the prefabs for the moon I was coming from, so one of those backgrounds is from ship windows, before it gets overridden by the planet volume

[lapis turret]

Oh

[plucky stream]

are you making the planet smaller? if so is it possible to just make the ship move instead?

[gaunt ingot]

No, the "planet" is fake, rendered by the volume profile, so it looks the same no matter where you are

plus moving the ship would probably break everything in the game XD

[plucky stream]

oof

so really gotta deal with large object

[heady yarrow]

Trying out Aquatis and just listing issues I run into as I play:

• Sand doesn't show footprints
• Sand makes grass sounds
• Interior ambience persists outside after entering the facility
• The water material is a nice bit higher than the water trigger

[vast shell]

is view extension required for your moons or can i delete it?

[quaint holly]

You can delete it.

[halcyon ermine]

thank you for the list,

• That is something I will add in the next update
• I have to find a way of handling different footstep sound on different surfaces on terrain. idk how to do that yet
• I'll look into what is causing it
• oops

[jaunty lintel]

I have to find a way of handling different footstep sound on different surfaces on terrain. idk how to do that yet
if its any that aren't already in basegame via the tags it has, wait for lll update

trust me lol

whatever sound egypt uses should work tho

[halcyon ermine]

Is it already possible to change footstep sounds based on the terrain texture?

[jaunty lintel]

no

basegame uses tags

and you cant add new tags because of a super hard unity limitaiton

i have cool material based footstep surfaces in my upcoming build

[halcyon ermine]

dope!

[jaunty lintel]

one of the only things i finished before this whole ac thing, been sitting on it for like 3 weeks 😭

[wanton vessel]

That sounds amazing

[halcyon ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[jaunty lintel]

also its worth noting atleast initally that kinda thing wont work if the renderer is not on the collider, so if thats relevant to your setup it might be worth thinking about

usually they are on the same but i know some people have them seperate for varying reasons

[halcyon ermine]

good to know

damn two hour slowdown in the showcase channel

[wanton vessel]

I already found what I was looking for

Ahah😅

[wind minnow]

Where even are the fire exists on celest am I dumb??

[heady yarrow]

👌👌👌

[halcyon ermine]

there are two "labs" on the map

[covert pulsar]

||I recall at least one of them can be reached by heading right when exiting the ship, trek takes a bit tho||

[cerulean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-gif-18250654545090010651

[covert pulsar]

Hmm idk what's going on but for some reason environment doesn't correctly reflect the time like it previously did for the map, I tried this completely standalone with all of the needed dependencies (even switching between LLL/LLLFixed just to be sure) and I'm getting the same issue 🤔

Here's how it looks for me

[covert pulsar]

I checked the plugins folder and I do have NightSky.dll in the Aquatis folder so 🤔

When I tried out Celest prior to Aquatis's update, I didn't have any issues with that moon's NightSky.dll
(I've yet to try out Celestial Tint so no comment on that one)

[hexed rose]

@halcyon ermine Hi beautiful.
I noticed that https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/sfDesat/sfDesat/ still includes LethalExpansion while your individual moons currently do not (well done an congratulations!). Also sfDesat-ExpansionAssets which you've since marked deprecated. Finally I assume you'll add spacestation to that pack once it's version 1.0 ? Thanks(!)
It has become normal for moon modders to have one mod that includes all their v1.0 moons, which saves a lot of space on the modlist, so I really appreciate you all saving the size of my modlist a bit and giving the option to choose moons individually if we want.

Here are some examples of how others do it. All these packs do not have the individual moons as dependencies, they're just bundled data. Generic_Moons does the same though they don't offer moons individually and still rely on LE so I'm sleeping on that one.

[tranquil tide]

late asf but what's the bg music?

[halcyon ermine]

I am going to change how that modpack works and make it a mod that includes all my moons in one

[halcyon ermine]

six forty seven.

[hexed rose]

Ye cool

[halcyon ermine]

I messed around with the animations. It should all line up. Except maybe the morning

[stray solstice]

wdf, i dont get anyone in my thread calling to me "Hi beautiful", where did you get the fanclub 😂

[wind minnow]

@ sf desat hi amazing the moon is moon moon on the moon

[halcyon ermine]

hehehe

[halcyon ermine]

that is very moon of you

Aquatis [2.0.2]

• Fixed water inside the facility
• Fixed water level outside
• Fixed rocks pop-in
• Increased shadow distance
• Touched up terrain textures

Thunderstore will take a moment to update

[wind minnow]

Hi lovely thanks for the update

[halcyon ermine]

u r wel come

[frigid topaz]

@halcyon ermine Hope that Celestial Tint update is gonna be soon, I wanna readd it to my pack ^^

[halcyon ermine]

its the next thing on the list. I just had to make Aquatis playable.

Note on the latest version, I managed to make the interior fullbright?

[hexed rose]

Which mod is yours, I'll consider it.

[dark marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208964227835109407 https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1212428282931322922

their mods

[hexed rose]

Ah.. I don't really understand the purpose of that mod.

Or the appeal of the latter because I'm already happy with the original aesthetic.

[stray solstice]

It's.. a new enemy