LC_Office / LC_Shrimp

[spare sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[strong thunder]

I will add that the moon weights were requested from the moon's authors. So it will match their lore / vision for their moons.
There currently are weights set up for wesley's moons, generic's moon, demonmae, rosiepies, altmoons, harvestmoons, nikki's mysterious moons, mythic moons (s1ckboy's), beanie's moons, and my own moons.
And this will all now be configurable through LLL's config.

[spare sinew]

and will the halt and shrimp be changed in some way too?

[strong thunder]

I have actually removed halt at least for now. I rewrote most of the mod's code (the elevator completely from scratch). so i dropped a couple things. but i also have brought back features that were removed in older versions such as the scrap items which should make up for that.

Piggy did give me permission to update their other mods if I want to and I have the project files. I'll probably address shrimp at some point but I have other projects to work on so he probably won't be for a while. but i would love to fix shrimp at some point. :)

[exotic socket]

permission to update their other mods? would that include pushing entity's PR for piggy's variety mod?

[spare sinew]

oh ok!, and can't you make the halt a separated mod? or is it too buggy at this point to do that?

will still have shrimp disabled in my modpack waiting for it to work 🙏

but omg im pretty hyped lc office is one of my fav interiors

ahead of his time with the elevator

[barren lake]

something else id like is for the interior to be a bit bigger, as in my experience its a bit tiny and too easy to find loot, but I could be wrong on that

[spare sinew]

i think that is more of a problem with the moon weights

[barren lake]

halt is a thing?

[barren lake]

i use LLL to use my own weights

[spare sinew]

never seen that but there is a video and config for him

[barren lake]

vow with storehouse is hard but vow with office is almost always a near full loot

its in general much easier to find loot in the office in my experience

[spare sinew]

yeah yeah i mean it says that moons with too tiny or too big weights would not work that great

[barren lake]

is vow too tiny then?

[spare sinew]

interior weight i mean the map size

interior size

[barren lake]

i can try using central config to make it bigger then

[strong thunder]

Piggy did give me permission to update this if i wanted to yes. I'm not familiar with what you're talking about though but i could look into it at a later point.

[strong thunder]

at least me personally I always turned off the halt anyways in my packs so i don't have interest in updating him but if someone else wants to adopt him they'd be free to do so.

[spare sinew]

yess you can do that

im too lazy rn to do config so i will patiently wait for the update

[barren lake]

its just gonna be annoying but its less work for the modder so its fine by me

[exotic socket]

Entity378 in piggy's variety thread put a PR (or fork, idr) in to fix some issues, like the axe being weird or the gummy flashlight not working as intended, i believe this is the link https://github.com/Entity378/PiggysVarietyMod

[kindred plover]

As an Apparatus Hunter, I can't wait to get my hands on that custom Appy

https://tenor.com/view/furina-genshin-lethal-company-dance-anime-gif-6347288965108571619

[azure comet]

That new Elevator music is peak btw

[floral veldt]

that's been there, wdym

[spare sinew]

is a bit different

[floral veldt]

it's the same song just slowed down and pitched down ever so slightly

actually not even that I don't even think it's any different LOL

[midnight sable]

its not any different lol its always been there

theres an option in the config to either have the music normal or slowed/pitched down

https://youtu.be/zNHC_efucwo

its this btw, for anyone curious. peak

[spare sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[spare sinew]

true i just noticed that

so it is a bit different just from the default one

[tiny blaze]

yo????????

the goat interior lets gooo

[spare sinew]

OG interior revival

[velvet token]

CUSTOM APP? I THINK MY MOTHER FOR ME BEING ALIVE 🔥

[opal raven]

Holy shit I finally get to play office

[kindred plover]

You think?

[bright cosmos]

:O for real???

I'm actually so hyped for this, my friends and I have been wanting some things fixed for the Office for ages

[bright cosmos]

I've found it's less that it's too small, and more that it just kinda generates in straight lines

like, there's no mazes or ways to get lost, every branching path is pretty much a long hallway

if new generation lets the long staircases connect to different floors though, that's going to be so peak

[kindred plover]

The long staircases would have to line up perfectly with those other floors though

And all the rooms on it.

[bright cosmos]

Very true, I'm just being very hopeful

the distance between floors on the elevator probably don't even match up with the stairs vertically for all I know, but the height of them always made me wonder if I basically moved to a different floor

[tiny blaze]

the main issue i had with my group (apart from the desyncs) is that it was sometimes very easy for a bracken to get cornered somewhere that seemed like progress so he'd always aggro on us and we wouldnt we able to pass

some could argue skill issue as u can actually kill one but we're not elite gamers sadly :v

[bright cosmos]

Some of my friends are giga sweaty players and they can't even kill a thumper lmao

[strong thunder]

This is fixed in the new version. I've resized all tiles to have their sockets sligned allowing loops to now generate in the interior. :)

[strong thunder]

I've replaced the old stair tile with a new one that exactly does this. The stairs will now allow you to travel to different elevator floors

[bright cosmos]

I kneel

[barren lake]

I kneel

[floral veldt]

[spare sinew]

i hope we can see more of the special rooms, like in all the time i've played ive only seen the computer desks tile once or twice

[unborn bay]

halt being updated would be nice

[floral veldt]

halt bros it's so over

[strong topaz]

rare Jacob W

all we need now is Buttlediversity™️

[atomic fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/714231026183962726/1219713894457671771/20240319_142607.gif

[craggy sigil]

Now we just need Shrimp to function

[midnight sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196943144009351258/1212192006227623997/mad_shrimp_disease.gif

[azure comet]

I mean I stopped understanding the hype around Shrimp when he kept being broken constantly

[craggy sigil]

I just love Shrimp

He's a great lil guy

[azure comet]

He never works

😦

[craggy sigil]

That's why I said we need him to function

[spare sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-shrimp-upturned-gif-26677410

[midnight sable]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-shrimp-bounce-the-upturned-gif-6058557510059893224

shrimp kinda feels like he belongs in lethal honestly

he was always fun to play with back when he worked xD

[sturdy dawn]

Gg

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Piggy/LC_Office/

That was sooner than I expected

[strong thunder]

yeah it was basically done when i released the teaser. I just wanted to get a couple rounds of bug sweeping in :)

hopefully most things should be in pretty good condition but if anything game breaking is present i'll try to fix it when i get the chance

[sturdy dawn]

Wow

[midnight sable]

[strong thunder]

I'd also like to add while enemies are now able to sort of be inside of the elevator in this update at some point in the future when zaggy's finished work on their new api stuff we have plans to implement the ability for masked and modded enemies using PathfindingLib to be able to use the elevator in this interior

[covert ridge]

yooooo

im so glad this mods being redone

i've always felt lc office and its enemies have been way too broken so im really happy

[strong topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275719607809736705/1348849602157346836/pokes-you.gif

[wheat spire]

WE ARE SO BACK

[exotic socket]

it's so good

[covert ridge]

the changelog is impressively long lmao

[floral veldt]

jacobo cooked

[azure comet]

As all of Jacob's changelogs usually are he worked hard on this

It's so peak, the interior is actually at an optimized size now I never thought I would see it under 100mb lol

[covert ridge]

yea thats one of the changes i was hoping for

[strong thunder]

just did some wiki reading and might look into dungenplus tomorrow 🤔

[azure comet]

Ooh yeah this is one of the interiors that would likely benefit from it

[wheat spire]

I think the death pits on the top floor could use some dark fog or something
They're not deep enough

[strong thunder]

I'll double check that but im pretty sure they're already deeper than the facility kill pits by a bit. i don't want to add local volumetrics to those though because i know there's a limit to how many of those you can put in a scene before things get unhappy

[wheat spire]

they are?
it doesnt feel that way

[mossy ivy]

as you can see, this is proof that the ancient aliens constructed the LC office for their probing activities.
humanity couldn't of built something so complex.

[feral meteor]

I’m unsure if this was fixed but with this interior before there was clumps of traps just spawning in like 10 on top of each other. Has this been fixed in the new patch?

[unborn bay]

yes

or it should have been atleast

[feral meteor]

Ok thanks

I love this interior and I can’t wait to try out the new tiles!

[spare sinew]

Wait what is already out!?!?

I just woke up omg

[feral meteor]

Same

[spare sinew]

No more of this 🙏🏻

[feral smelt]

I havent run into it if it is a thing now but I wonder if id be possible to bring the slope tiles back that were removed in later versions of office

[sturdy dawn]

really small bug report, the carpet floor on this room have the metal step sounds

also small clipping bottles (same stair room)

but, I can confirm the traps are no longer conglomerated :]

[tiny blaze]

funi turret xd

[jovial hedge]

alr found this during testin lol

should be a peasy easy fix

[floral veldt]

ye we saw this yesterdays

[sharp cosmos]

just tested it out for the first time, looks great. but never found the elevator..?

[exotic socket]

wdym, elevator spawns in main

[floral veldt]

I guess they meant they could never find it going in from the fire exit

[sharp cosmos]

idk it mustve been some weird bug, i did go in main but i was somewhere ive never seen before, every time after that it was normal

[feral smelt]

@strong thunder also seeing the pit return(if a but more fair) would also be cool

important part is at 0:35+

[spare sinew]

What is that omg

[feral smelt]

old lc office

version 1

it ANCIENT

[strong thunder]

oh hey this clip has the old start tile

[feral smelt]

ye, + the slope and pit

[sharp cosmos]

trying to find a new moon to pair this dungeon with, anyone got any good ones?

[spare sinew]

Would be cool that the pit was some sort of minigame like the cake room or painting room in wesley in the sense of if you beat it it gives you something as a reward

[mossy ivy]

I wish to apologize for those sound effects, I am a different person now and I would never do anything as vile

[feral smelt]

am I missing something lol 😅

[mossy ivy]

I made that clip

and added the random tiktok bullshit and I am apologizing as a joke acting like its something really bad

[feral smelt]

lol

[feral meteor]

when was this in the mod

[feral smelt]

version 1

old asf

[jovial hedge]

so its a room that just kills you and makes all your loot impossible to retrieve

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-cat-absolute-cinema-cat-gif-8724746330989628604

[feral smelt]

there is a reason id hope it gets a rework lol

[jovial hedge]

its cool but

why...

why did it exist in the first place lol

[spare sinew]

Different times

[spare sinew]

But it really is something really bad

[mossy ivy]

it is

I lied

[spare sinew]

[bright cosmos]

Earlier days of Lethal Company probably weren't as figured out, so having random bullshit happen to you probably felt natural yeah

Even now some of my friends keep insisting to remove the Thumper when we play

[feral smelt]

funny

I like the idea of some kinda pitfall but needs to be more fair

[jovial hedge]

i mean there IS pits now in the industrial section

[neat oak]

Holy shit that pit is so freaking cool

[feral smelt]

oh didnt see it yet

[jovial hedge]

yah, i saw one

parkour jump

reminiscent of facilitir

[neat oak]

Btw, is it normal for the item to shake when using the elevator?

Like, drifting away from the hand and teleporting back

[jovial hedge]

that happens sometimes

i dont think the elevator uses conventional parenting

idk if jacob plans to, or already made it use parenting

but that (should??) fix it

would also fix dropping items mid descent or lift causing it to phase

[feral smelt]

noooo the shaking is lore friendly 😭

just like desync

totally canon

[sonic mango]

whenever I look at the cameras the framerate drops by a lot, is that normal?

[feral smelt]

do you have lethal sponge?

[sonic mango]

I do

[feral smelt]

hmmmm

not sure then

was makings ure since it should help with camera lag

[strong thunder]

Well your game has to render a lot more images. This update already reduces the resolution of the cameras in the main room a bit but if you're having a problem you can disable or reduce their frame rate in the mod config

[sonic mango]

yeah I'll disable them, but i think it's because it renders like 4 or 5 cameras at the same time

i'll drop a video if I can

I guess I'll deactivate them

[jovial hedge]

its just cus theres so many

i personally think that only one should be shown by default

and then a config to turn all of them on

[strong thunder]

i could add configs for each individually if you'd like

[jovial hedge]

nahh dw about it

doesnt need to make it complex

[exotic socket]

having multiple cameras just doesn't run that good in general, it caused framedrops in black mesa as well and theirs were crazy optimized. there's also ||the one in the apparatus room, does that get affected by the config too?||

[jovial hedge]

im fine with the config for all on / all off

[strong thunder]

it should

[exotic socket]

ok

[strong thunder]

they also only render when you're within a certain proximity of the displays fyi

[sturdy dawn]

clipping wood on the hall room :]

[azure comet]

Only when it comes to the ship cams, it doesn't touch the stuff in Office

[feral smelt]

ah wasnt 100% sure

[azure comet]

I'm sure @unborn saffron Might have some tips on fixing the fps issues with the cams

[sturdy dawn]

scannable through walls on the corner room of the bottom floor elevator room

[unborn saffron]

indeed, something similar to black mesa's setup would be my recommendation

the main thing is, if you implement an fps limit (I would recommend that), the additional camera data should have persistent history enabled

that is a hidden setting in unity itself, only shown when debug inspector is used

[kindred plover]

I would never apologize for those sound effects

[unborn saffron]

for black mesa, we have a fixed number of cameras render per frame (excepting the ones that are not enabled), and that acts as the "fps limit"

[jovial hedge]

how do you manage to find such oddly specific issues.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254571495167098941/1313681768574091275/copy_84877E2E-E21A-463A-AA2D-A728D047E8FE.gif

[sturdy dawn]

playing

[jovial hedge]

genuinely shockling

[unborn saffron]

currently, it's not the best about frame pacing, so I'm hoping to alternate the cameras between the two terminals since the handheld ones can be disabled while the emplaced ones cannot

[kindred plover]

It's all a part of game testing

[unborn saffron]

takeaway being that it's good to make sure that the number of cameras rendering per frame is consistent to avoid the frame times jumping around

if it's rendering less than one per frame (i.e. on an interval based on a framerate limit less than the game's) then all you gotta worry about is making the renders not coincide, I think

[sturdy dawn]

Btw, I can confirm that the Walker is working now with this interior (it was not working before)

[strong thunder]

i think i may need to add more spiketrap spawns because i'm starting to notice them spawning stacked and weird on some moons lol

[strong thunder]

didn't know walker had an issue here but im glad to hear that :)

[sturdy dawn]

before the walker was stuck only on the bottom floor, if you go to the 2nd or 3rd floor it starts log spamming.
Now it is not happening anymore :]

and got tapped on the 3rd floor

[strong thunder]

Dropped a new update. Fixed almost everything that's been brought up in this thread. I knew about a decent amount of the things reported already so fixing them was pretty quick and easy.
New update adds DunGenPlus as a dependency. I did some tweaking to get everything squished together more and now there's 2 main branches that are smaller which should mean more tiles on each floor.
There's a config to revert it back to basically 2.0.0 generation with 1 branch and a larger size along with a silly option for 3 main branches that causes a pretty large generation if you want to mess with that. (i wouldn't recommend playing normally like that but it is pretty fun having all the floors generate big)

also the githubs for LC Office & Variety Mod are now up to date

[unborn saffron]

holy moly

[covert ridge]

these updates are really impressive

a popular mod getting resurrected is one of my favorite things to see

[primal sail]

Now we just need shrimpy boy back

[wispy stirrup]

For the cameras, isn’t it always easier on the game to render them at the same framerate as the client’s?

i believe that’s the same reason why OpenBodyCams has it as their default

[sonic mango]

I think the entrance map might be bugged after the update, the top floor seemed to render even though it says that there's nothing there

and the camera shakes every few seconds, is that intentional?

[ornate star]

Nvm I havent played with the update yet

[sonic mango]

Also the first floor, I forgot to take a picture

[ornate star]

Did the map ever actually show where it generated tho? I never actually looked at it

[sonic mango]

Yup, it did (the original and 2.0 the update), it showed which floors generated

[wide urchin]

any good mod that changes the elevator music to be more mysterious and sad rather than happy and fast?

[ornate star]

Thats really neat

[ornate star]

At most there's the config to change pitch, I think

[wide urchin]

pitch or speed?

thats 2 diff things

[ornate star]

Just pitch, the original config piggy made (cause he likes it)

[wide urchin]

ok

ima use that then

and i think its enough

ty

[bright cosmos]

I noticed this in the teaser video and thought it was an obvious bug that'd be fixed later, guess not yet 😔

[kindred plover]

Is the lootable Apparatus finally red?

[wide urchin]

did you mean "is the red apparatus finally lootable"

[kindred plover]

Well there's the Lobby Elevator App and there's an actual spawnable room where you can take the App from, but the latter is default and the former is red.

Or should I say was default

[spare sinew]

Is the experimental app option from old office now a thing?

I always wanted to try it out but i was scared of the (EXPERIMENTAL)

[jovial hedge]

i think its now always active

theres an appy tile you pull apparatus from, which turns off the elevator until you plug it back in

[spare sinew]

🔥 Fuego

So if i left the elevator in another floor is ggs?

[jovial hedge]

it falls to the bottom

and remember ladders exist

[spare sinew]

Yeah i love using ladder with two handed app

😁

I guess you could throw it out to the bottom

[jovial hedge]

i know

but

plug into elevator

and

if its a top floor

drop it down then climb down

both work

[spare sinew]

I really want to try the new office i havent had the time to do so 😭

Yesterday i was only testing some really small and silly thing

That used all day

[wispy stirrup]

okay I don't actually believe LCOffice actually uses LethalLevelLoader for it's dungeon scaling

this is the size of the interior when setting the amount of dungeon paths to 3, and the dungeon scale between 0.1 and 0.2, spoilered in case people don't want to see any new tiles that happen to be in the picture

as you can see, even with the very small and strict dungeon size, the interior is still HUGE

[sonic mango]

that is HUGE

[obtuse patio]

i think you need to set the Dungeon Size Scaler to 1 or more to shrink it down (?)

Voxx explained to me how the Scaler value actually works, the LLL description is misleading
#1193461151636398080 message

[wispy stirrup]

thats

wow that's weird

okay i'll give it a go

yeah no that wording is not correct if setting it to 1 works like how setting it to 0 is supposed to

[obtuse patio]

yep

[wispy stirrup]

nvm it wasn't that

also despite setting the dungeon paths to 3, i usually never see the second floor really get anything on it

it's always the first and third

second gets like 2 tiles and it ends

[tepid wind]

I remember people mentioning a problem with it but no one made a proper issue on github so i keep forgetting about it

[jovial hedge]

oh thats huge

wth

[strong thunder]

well it's always just going to be chance based and not guaranteed. There's 4 sockets on the bottom, 2 on the top, and one in the middle. you do need a luxky roll to get one main on all 3

[past bluff]

Hyped that LC office got an update! This normal though?

^Or should I not be concerned

[past bluff]

Wondering this myself actually 🤔 b/c there's an ocassional camera shake for me too.

[strong thunder]

This is harmless because it's on reference prefabs that get replaced by LLL's content restoration stuff. they're completely harmless but i'll still try to get rid of it in the next update

[strong thunder]

i've heard a couple people mention screenshakes now and im curious what that would be... 🤔
there's nothing in the mod that triggers screenshakes at all afaik

i also don't remember that ever coming up in any of our playtest sessions

[past bluff]

I may have a lead on that. When it was stormy outside, I was experiencing the screenshake while inside. When the weather was clear, I did not notice any shakes. Could it be that?

[strong thunder]

um maybe? i'd have to look into it at a later point

[past bluff]

Gotcha. I've only ran the interior twice so far and that was the only difference between the days. Just thought I'd mention it since it's a potential correlation.

[past bluff]

I do have two question about the update.

• How rare is the new apparatus tile? Out of 15 loads, it only spawned twice. (Using Adamance as the testing ground)
• In both instances that the apparatus was present, the interior had red fog inside (similar to the halloween event fog)

[strong thunder]

the interior fog is a rare vanilla thing. you just happened to get (un)lucky and get both at the same time

new apparatus tile wasn't that rare but because it's pretty big i think the 2.1.0 update indirectly made it a lot more rare. you're definitely more likely to get it on larger interior size moons. although the interior is moreso optimized for medium sized interior moons. i want to make it more common again but im in the process of figuring out the best way to do that because i do think the generation in the latest update is a lot better using the dun gen plus stuff

[wispy stirrup]

also yeah dude speaking of tiles like

the new ones are awesome

it's so cool exploring all the new stuff

some of the tiles are like

DAMNN long

but i know my friend group usually plays with increased speed regardless so it's not much of a hassle

[strong thunder]

i based the tile scaling off of the elevator room that way the bottom floor could actually interconnect with it's self but yeah it is pretty big. i know a lot of people are going to complain about big interior generations especially if they get it on like titan or something but at least i'd rather it generate on the too big side than the too small side

also going smaller leads more often to no tiles generating on most of the floors which is sad :(

[wispy stirrup]

yeah i've seen some odd tile shapes, but i do see why they were made like that since it allowed them to actually loop around

[strong thunder]

alright i wrote some code for the next update to get the elevator indicator sign to actually work. (there was no code or animations for it before as far as i could tell so if it did work previously like some people say then i couldn't find any trace of that left)
but i made it work now so that's cool. I'm going to take a bit of a break then i may work on a couple new tiles...

[jovial hedge]

for appy tiles i just give it a REALLY high spawn chance, set its spawn curve to be insanely low at everything but a very deep distance into the facility, and set it to spawn only once.

[wispy stirrup]

niceee

[jovial hedge]

this results in one almost always generating, and always deep in the facility

but it wont impact other stuff too much

[strong thunder]

yeah i didn't do that on purpose because i wanted it to be a not a guaranteed spawn. i played around with it for a long time to get it just how i wanted it for 2.0.0 then immediantly broke it in the next update so i have to play around again lol

[jovial hedge]

am i wrong, or is appy pretty much gauranteed in facility in vanilla?

[strong thunder]

yeah but i don't want that in office

[jovial hedge]

valid

ig in office it does make more of a difference

cus ya know, elevator

[past bluff]

Funny thought since the apparatus isn't a guaranteed spawn. If no apparatus is present, elevator out of order, have fun on the ladder XD

[strong thunder]

lmao

this is a great idea let's add this

[past bluff]

Would create an incentive to keep one on ship should you need it lol

[strong thunder]

actually that could be fun if there was like a config or something for there to be a small chance the elevator starts off and you could bring an appy from somewhere else to power it and make the place easier to explore

[past bluff]

But if using meltdown (which raises the value) it becomes a critical choice of "Do I sack 240 credits to easily traverse the office, or do I take the risk and slower traversal"

[strong thunder]

if people would actually like me to add that as a config or something lmk and i might do it

[past bluff]

But would you really be sacking 240 credits? B/c you can remove it from the elevator when your done right?

[strong thunder]

yeah you can remove it when you're done

[past bluff]

Was kinda doubting the suggestion until I remembered that it can be removed once done

[strong thunder]

btw idk if anyone else has tried this yet aside from me but if you get something like wesley's interiors that has apparatuses that aren't very apparatus looking and socket it in the elevator it's really funny

[past bluff]

I haven't tried it yet. My main pack uses his moons and interiors but I'm in the process of allocating a unique interior to every moon. It'll happen eventually for me.

[bright cosmos]

I'd definitely prefer it be an option you can disable, I wouldn't enjoy getting office only to find out its central gimmick will never work because I don't have an apparatus

[strong thunder]

if i did add that i'd probably have it at 0 by default but you could like config it to whatever chance you'd like

[strong topaz]

On a slightly related note, have you also thought about breaker box power affecting the elevator too?

[kindred plover]

Does the elevator still have the ladder just in case?

[bright cosmos]

Yeah but two-handed scrap wouldn't be able to travel up it

[kindred plover]

[spare sinew]

Laughs in lgu deeper pockets

😈

[past bluff]

Did a little bit of oddball testing of things to try and "break" the elevator or cause Meltdown conflicts. None of these caused the elevator to mistakenly fall or the meltdown sequence.

• Bring an external apparatus inside when the natural one has NOT spawned, slot the external one, and pull it. No Issue.
• Bring an external apparatus inside when the natural one HAS spawned, slot the external one, and pull it. No Issue.
• Bring an external apparatus inside when the natural one HAS spawned, slot the external one it, and go pull the Natural one from its room. No Issue

I did manage to find something, but it's a niche setup.

• Pull the Naturally spawning apparatus and cause the elevator to fail. Slot any apparatus into the elevator, select a floor, and yank it back out before the door closes.
  This causes the elevator to move to the selected floor without power & after arriving at the floor, the wall panel will correctly display "No Power," but the elevator will not correctly fall back down to the bottom floor. You can correct this by reslotting & re-removing an apparatus again.

[past bluff]

Also, just reporting a similar issue with the current version of LC_Offce that I had with DemonMae's interiors.
If Wesley's Interiors & LC_Office are enabled at the same time, it throws this error.

If I disable one or the other, the error vanishes. They both have zero issues/errors when other interiors are enabled; it's just between these two. When I reported this to DemonMae, they said that they added a network component to the object and it fixed the problem. If it worked for their interior, perhaps it'll work with LC_Office?

[valid jackal]

Is there any interest in reverting the codenames of LC_Office's elevator's music so BoomboxBSide's LC_Office elevator music remains compatible with theirs, or is that just not how Loaforc's Sound Api works?

It's 6 AM rn, and I am shittingly tired, so apologies if my wording is ass

[strong thunder]

uh im not familiar with whatever mod you're talking about but i did redo most of the elevator code. i have the elevator music player as it's own component that's seperate from the elevator now. did that mod refrence the tracks out of the old versions plugin class?

[valid jackal]

I would assume so, but I can't read code, so I cannot say

[floral veldt]

vodka told me abt it hold on

[strong thunder]

i still have the refiltered ones but idk if they're included after doing the bundle optimizations

[floral veldt]

perhaps not

[valid jackal]

Are fire exit mimics still compatible with LC_Office?

[ornate star]

Very much so, although the interior is gigantic

[bright cosmos]

floating seat

funi

Also was playing with friends, the interior generates so deep now, we can't even full clear experimentation

[strong thunder]

PFF

yknow a lot of people have been saying it's too big after the update. i did most my balance on adamance since it's the highest weight vanilla moon and i thought it was alright but ig I'll look into what i can do.
the biggest issue is the tiles themselves are just big so i think i have to make very short paths which will make it harder to find some of the cool tiles

[bright cosmos]

I obviously don't know how it's built, but it might just be the fact there's two main paths being generated? I don't know if that affects the size at all, but even on Titan (a moon we love to Office on), we were struggling to find loot where we'd normally see a lot, even on Facility.

We still love all the changes, we were basically screaming in joy at every issue we had suddenly being fixed

the top floor is so much cooler now, we love it

[floral veldt]

I think making cool tiles slightly harder to find is find, it'll improve replayability in the long run by having stuff the player hasn't seen before

[bright cosmos]

As long as they're not too rare. In the old Office I'd basically be told legends of a desk tile (it didn't have loot)

I like the rarity of the belt room in facility. You're not guaranteed to see it, but it still crops up often enough to be a really solid landmark for exploration

[floral veldt]

mhm

[floral veldt]

I love top floor, I just dislike it when it generates really big like a grid with all those storage rooms

top floor has some of the neatest tiles imo

[bright cosmos]

Can confirm it doesn't seem to scale for me either. First pic is size multiplier off, and Second pic is with it on with the Third pic's settings (All on Experimentation). I guess the issue is somewhat resolved if moons have their scrap spawns upped, but that would throw off the balance for each moon if you didn't get Office for an interior

[past bluff]

You could tie down Office to a specific moon(s) and guarantee it which would eliminate the balance issue caused by not getting it. (If you upped the scrap on the specific moons)
Also, was content configuration also enabled when you tried scaling?

[bright cosmos]

Could do, but I do like my interior variety. And yep, I made sure it was on when testing

I can always doublecheck, but for now I've set it in LCOffice's config to have 1 main path for now since that seems to reduce the size reasonably enough for multiplayer

[past bluff]

Gotcha. I understand liking interior variety, & never knowing what you'll get ahead of time.

[bright cosmos]

Yup, also running Map Improvments because the random variance of the exterior makes that extra fun too!

[past bluff]

I'm between giving it to Titan or Artifice. Whichever doesn't get offce gets Area71.

[past bluff]

I never heard of Map Improvements, but after looking at it, I'm stoked to try it. I already use ImmersiveScrap and tie it down to vanilla moons only (helps them be a bit more on par with Wesley's) and these exterior edits look like they'd compliment my pack well.

Ty for mentioning it

[bright cosmos]

Yw it's also apparently compatible with RebalancedMoons if you're wanting to go in the deep end right away, though I haven't tried it myself

[floral veldt]

I recommend the flat odds config for each moon so you have a somewhat equal chance of each improvement

[solid hearth]

Was the music in the elevator altered by chance? The 'shop' track sounds noticeably different than it originally did before 2.0.0 (it now plays at a higher pitch) and I was hoping it could be reverted

[bright cosmos]

Maybe in the update the config reset your option to pitch down the elevator music?

[solid hearth]

Also another issue with the elevator I noticed is trying to drop items from the belt bag onto the elevator floor now causes them to fall through the map (this didn't happen in previous versions)

[strong thunder]

in the folder of the audios there's normal, low pitch and for some refiltered audios. i just plugged the normal into the default and the low pitch into the low pitch config when i remade things. i can switch the normal tracks out for the refiltered ones if you guys want. they are noticeably different but tbh if i didn't side by side compare them i don't think I'd notice the difference which is why im suprised so many people seem to be mentioning i changed the audios lol

you can also just play with the low pitch config enabled to get all the tracks like that if you want

[solid hearth]

I never enabled the ElevatorMusicPitchDown config. It's just something I immediately noticed with the default music going from 1.2.7 into the latest version.

[bright cosmos]

huh, odd

[bright cosmos]

Everyone's secretly an Office superfan (me)

[solid hearth]

I'd appreciate an option for that, thank you. It's such a small thing but I really enjoy this mod and the music helps make it special.

[strong thunder]

like i was saying, if you want a lower pitch version you can enable that in the config and it plays the low pitch variations of every track

[jagged merlin]

LC_Office is inspired by Upturned to an extent and there are quite a few instances of stuff like that in it. (Also why Shrimp existed in the mod.)

[jovial hedge]

ik, but still\

it simply doesnt fit lethal logically

cus... you just die

and in the upturned it leads to a chase sequence with the wermington

it doesnt just... kill you

[jagged merlin]

Well yeah if it was reimplemented in the mod it'd obviously have something you could do to not fall. There are plenty of traps in other modded interiors that are equally unfair imo.

[valid jackal]

Unsolicited critique; I miss the elevator's panel light immediately going up/down depending on which floor you were going to, not changing until you actually get to the floor you're going to, and also the elevator feels weirdly quiet without the ambience of it constantly rumbling as it's going up/down the Office

Unrelated bug report; you can see the translucent base the double door fire exits utilizes

[floral veldt]

oh yeah I did notice the red light working different

[strong thunder]

the reason i did it that way is so you can see what floor you're actually going to. at least when I play with people i often find multiple people hit the button in quick succession and i don't know where we're going anymore. now the light tells you where you are going

also just getting the more direct feedback that you've selected your target destination feels nice imo

[valid jackal]

Huh what
It only changing when you actually reach your destination makes this problem worse personally since all you have to rely on now is trying to see whether the tile texture is going up or down if you happen to forget what button you pressed

It's more confusing this way to me and also less satisfying since it's no longer in sync with the going up alert sfx

[strong thunder]

oh wait i thought you were saying that it didn't do that before not that it's not doing that now. i read your messages wrong my bad

[valid jackal]

Yeah the original behavior, if we're on the same page, is missing in the rework

[strong thunder]

yeah i agree with you then if it is not doing that and i will change it

[valid jackal]

W

Thank you

[strong thunder]

btw sorry guys for not finishing the office update as quickly as i wanted. i had a little bit of a personal episode so i didn't work on my other mods or office much the past like week or so.
good news is zaggy's pathfinding api update is coming along nicely so i may be able to implement office elevator compatibility for enemies sooner than i expected... (if all goes well)

[wispy stirrup]

dw about it dude take your time

[novel python]

Sorry im just curious but which moon has the highest spawn chance for the office?

[livid python]

||Halation:250,Espira:25,Mazon:75,Rockwell:100,Makron:25,Pandoramus:300,Kaleidos:25,Flicker:100,Pareidolia:300,Experimentation:35,Assurance:65,Offense:65,Adamance:280,Embrion:40,Dine:160,Titan:80,Temper:100,Cambrian:150, Desperation:150,Thallasic:300,Icebound:300,Pinnacle:260,Gorgonzola:100,Siechi:2,Arelion:40,Hyve:56,Calist:166,Asteroid-13:126,Motra:16,Utril:86,Filitrios:26,Alcatras:136,Gratar:46,Fission-C:106,Polarus:256,Oldred:56,Trite:256,Demetrica:196,Cubatres:126,Cosmocos:150,Hyx:150,Affliction:75,Summit:250,Haul:75||
||Office:250,City:100,Canyon:20,Valley:10||
those are weights from my untouched LLL config (as I'm depending on LethalQuantites) for LC Office
those weights obviously depends on weights of the other modded interiors if you have any, and as well vanilla interiors

[novel python]

Tysm

[livid python]

but by the looks of it, if we take only vanilla moons without any modded interiors, then adamance & dine should have the highest chances

[livid python]

yw!

[floral veldt]

is all good bro, i hope you're doing well

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-ちいかわ-hachiware-dance-gif-5656564256179967308

[valid jackal]

Oh yeah did you see this

Once you see it, you can't unsee it

[signal galleon]

(walked right by this dude sob)

[strong thunder]

Just posted new update. Main keynotes are smaller dungeon generation and 4 new tiles. Have fun!

[obtuse patio]

Awesome!

[strong thunder]

I also want to bring up that i left a config to revert back to big generation like before. The reason i didn't want small before is because it leads more often to dead end floors...
but since the floor indicator logic was also added in the same update maybe that isn't as much of an issue? either way i realize im probably in the minority for liking the large generation so i made it an option for myself and made the default smaller

[floral veldt]

fuck yeah!

[bright cosmos]

Big generation is definitely fun! If vanilla interiors became as big to compensate it'd balance out fine I think, but it definitely felt like getting office just meant we just rolled a dice that said "Can't loot everything this run" so I temporarily set things back to the old one path generation and my friends said it became much nicer to loot. Though I personally missed having our work forces split to two different floors, so I'm really looking forward to trying out this new generation size 👍

[sonic mango]

Thank you!! Sometimes it was tough to loot if it spawned in the easier moons (and since my friends are fairly new to the game, it was very confusing for them)

[vast grail]

amazing rework! I'm so happy to see this interior get the love it deserves. I was wondering about the elevator shaft ladder though: not sure if it's intentional that you'll usually fall to your death if you try to take the ladder from 3F while the elevator is at 1F, but if so, the ladder climbing trigger should probably visually line up with the model better. right now you drop off the ladder a bit before the ladder model ends.

[jovial hedge]

i agree with a bit of the ladder stuff its odd

but its not that big of an issue

[strong thunder]

im pretty sure those ladders are using the extension ladder model instead of the normal ladder model too lol. it's something i probably will adjust.

as for the falling when elevator is on bottom floor from the floor 3 ladder, if you hold in a direction when getting off you will land on the edge and be fine. you just have to be concious of it. if you struggle you can also drop off the ladder slightly higher so you have more time to move while falling. but that isn't necessarily

[valid jackal]

I'm gonna be real,

the Office does not need these big-ass tiles, and if it really does, then the weights of said tiles should either be lowered, or the Office should spawn +6 scrap, like how the Mineshaft does, which has a similar loot density issue

No matter how much I fiddle with CentralConfig's and LC Office's settings for the interior, the loot density is still generally bad if I'm trying to keep at least two-three floors not devoid of paths to scrap in

If I don't try to keep that, then the problem is technically solved, but only one floor generates a set of tiles, essentially turning the Office into another Mineshaft, which I don't want, and I imagine isn't apart of your vision of the Office

Don't get me wrong, I love this interior (Which is why I use it), but this is a serious issue that heavily impedes on gameplay, thus Imo should be looked into more, not that you haven't already

[valid jackal]

Not to mention, said big-ass tiles can be sometimes impossible to go through without dying to a turret if you don't have a ship guy, as seen here in the fourth screenshot

I imagine Titan would not treat this interior very kindly

Oh yeah, this too, even though this might not be Office's fault

[strong thunder]

only one of these tiles is actually one of my new tiles, plus a lot of other people agreed i should make those rooms more common then they were before because they very rarely spawned making most people not realize they existed.

as for that turret hall there's usually separator walls in the middle but you got really unlucky generation and im sorry about that. 3 turrets and no middle walls rip. i might make a modification to that tile to compensate for that.

[strong thunder]

i would love to do this but shy of hardcoding a patch for it there's no easy way to do that in api rn and in some old messages with people asking batby for it he said he wouldn't add it. if i get a way of doing it easily later i definately would because it'd be perfect for this.

when i was doing rebalance testing for the latest update i figured the new size was alright since i was even seeing 2-3 items spawning in some of the rooms. i noticed your imperium ui showing some modded moons maybe their balance isn't mixing well with the interior? either that or i think you might've gotten pretty unlucky in general.
don't get me wrong i would probably be upset if those spawns happened to me while playing too, you're completely valid. I'll look into it further at a later point in time.

[jovial hedge]

oof yeah a room that big with sentries is rough as hell

when i do gigantic rooms for my interiors i make it so they can generate only once, and typically deeper in the facility

perhaps you could try something similar jacob?

[floral veldt]

that seems like a good idea

[jovial hedge]

its what I do with the giant garage tile in hangar and cargo bay in storage complex

[kindred plover]

I still like the idea of big rooms, but they require lots of objects and separator walls to break line of sight with turrets and other entities.

But yeah, I don't know what to do in configs to solve the loot density issue. It seems like that would require a moon to just be high in loot overall.

[jovial hedge]

or… no hazard spawners at alp

cus u can just choose not to have turrets and such spawn in a room

its that shrimple

[kindred plover]

That too

[strong thunder]

this was what i was already thinking of doing. that plus making the middle separator walls spawn a bit more common ig

[azure comet]

@strong thunder I kinda hope so see the missing script references get fixed eventually

[strong thunder]

i fixed a lot of them in the latest update but nto all of them. also reminder it just says that when the bundle loads initially. it does nothing in game

[azure comet]

Yeah fair lol I did notice it's less than when I first used the interior XD

[honest furnace]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LCOffice.Patches.TerminalPatch.RunTerminalEvents_Prefix (TerminalNode node) (at <6406f2aeb2f74172ad50c53b9babe36b>:IL_0017)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Terminal.DMDTerminal::RunTerminalEvents(Terminal,TerminalNode)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Terminal.DMDTerminal::LoadNewNode(Terminal,TerminalNode)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Terminal.DMDTerminal::LoadNewNodeIfAffordable(Terminal,TerminalNode)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Terminal.DMDTerminal::OnSubmit(Terminal)
UnityEngine.Events.InvokableCall.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0010)
UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent1[T0].Invoke (T0 arg0) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0049) TMPro.TMP_InputField.SendOnEndEdit () (at <9baa8119dbcd498f902c1a92f10843c1>:IL_000E) TMPro.TMP_InputField.ReleaseSelection () (at <9baa8119dbcd498f902c1a92f10843c1>:IL_001B) TMPro.TMP_InputField.DeactivateInputField (System.Boolean clearSelection) (at <9baa8119dbcd498f902c1a92f10843c1>:IL_00B0) TMPro.TMP_InputField.OnUpdateSelected (UnityEngine.EventSystems.BaseEventData eventData) (at <9baa8119dbcd498f902c1a92f10843c1>:IL_007C) UnityEngine.EventSystems.ExecuteEvents.Execute (UnityEngine.EventSystems.IUpdateSelectedHandler handler, UnityEngine.EventSystems.BaseEventData eventData) (at <17de86d66286445fa95af59fa8fa644d>:IL_0000) UnityEngine.EventSystems.ExecuteEvents.Execute[T] (UnityEngine.GameObject target, UnityEngine.EventSystems.BaseEventData eventData, UnityEngine.EventSystems.ExecuteEvents+EventFunction1[T1] functor) (at <17de86d66286445fa95af59fa8fa644d>:IL_0067)
UnityEngine.EventSystems.EventSystem:Update()

I'm getting this when trying to use the terminal on ship. Not sure why LCoffice is doing this.

And I do have the interior on the moon while trying to use the terminal

can confirm going back into orbit allows me to buy again

[strong thunder]

is this on the latest version?

[honest furnace]

yes

[strong thunder]

alright lemme look

[honest furnace]

It happened while trying to get Gals. didnt test with other shop items.

but it works everywhere else.

which is very ironic seeing your name lol

[exotic socket]

this seems similar to the error i was getting earlier when it wouldn't let me buy piggys variety mod items when office was active

same terminal patch throwing a fit

[honest furnace]

Ok it seems to affect modded stuff. I can buy a pro flashlight but when trying to buy other modded stuff it errors.

[exotic socket]

that would line up

it didn't like it when i tried to buy gummy flashlight

[honest furnace]

Yep anything modded you can not buy.

[exotic socket]

but if the interior isn't generated then it doesn't care

[strong thunder]

sorry what where you trying to buy from the shop when getting the error? & what mod is it from so i can do quick tests

[honest furnace]

Its anything modded. For me I tried buying any of the Gals from code rebirth.

Elite Flashlight, Smart Cabnet, Wide Cabnet

[exotic socket]

ok so affects store items too

[honest furnace]

Anything modded it would error.

[strong thunder]

oh no i have to install code rebirth

/j

[honest furnace]

I tested and tried to buy a pro flashlight and it worked and elite flashlight thats modded and the elite broke too.

but the pro worked

[honest furnace]

Well look at your name. Its your responsibility right now 😛

You own the gals

temporarily

[strong thunder]

is there a config or something i need to change? i don't see any shop items after installing code rebirth lmao

[honest furnace]

they aren't in the store section

they are in furnit

[strong thunder]

?

[honest furnace]

furniture

just type swrd1

or daisy

or seamine, or miss cruiser

those are some of the Gals to buy

[strong thunder]

do i need to get them in rotation then?

[honest furnace]

not sure. They are always there for me on my terminal

and not on a rotation

[strong thunder]

o wait i just realized code rebirth didn't load bc missing dependencies in the log i fix now lol

[honest furnace]

LMFAO

[strong thunder]

i love this for me

[honest furnace]

LMFAO

[jovial hedge]

the homunculus

[strong thunder]

posted a fix. it'll go live whenever thunderstore feels like it

[honest furnace]

Sweet!

Everytime I do testing I break stuff lol

[strong thunder]

i already did a fix to that patch in an earlier update so i thought it was fixed but i didn't expect modded terminal events to possibly leave another field null lol

it's all good tho it's super easy to add some null checking

[sonic mango]

I was playing the map and every few seconds the "lights flickering" sound would play, is that intentional?

[floral veldt]

that is because lights were flickering

[valid jackal]

Did the moon you were playing on have a solar flare

because solar flares flicker the lights every few seconds

[floral veldt]

also yeah

it's either ghost girl stuff or solar flaer

[valid jackal]

It's definitely not a ghost girl since the lights were apparently flickering every few seconds for the entire round

She only flickers the lights when she disappears

Either that or a Light Eater, however the fuck that entity works

[sonic mango]

Yes it was! I didn't know it did that, I thought it was something from the interior

Sorry for the inconvenience 🫣

[strong thunder]

nah you're good lol

i know in play tests before the rework initially dropped i kept finding audio sources that were set to be global sounds so it's not an unreasonable guess.
i think hopefully all of those were gotten before the release.. at least i haven't seen any reports of that so i think we're good

[barren lake]

hi, is the lethallevelloader custom dungeon thing not loading after an update past 2.0.0 or is that just me?

[royal void]

Did you start a lobby up to add it to the config

[barren lake]

yes, multiple times

i reverted back to 2.0.0 and it worked, for some reason

i think the issue was dungeongenerationplus wasnt on

[azure comet]

Yeah that would do it

DungeonGenerationPlus is a dependency

[barren lake]

because i had it turned off, and gale never really screamed at me to re-enable it

[azure comet]

It won't load without it

[barren lake]

yea i figured i saw it as a new dependency

[azure comet]

Why'd you have it off anyways?

[barren lake]

just a bit chunked that gale didnt scream in my ears but whatever

i had it for scarletdevilmansion and i turned that and it off because i didnt think id need it again

the less mods the better

for performance

[azure comet]

Well it depends tbh

Smaller interior mods won't hurt performance much but larger ones like Wesleys I could see having more impact cus they're always loaded in ram and Wesley's add over 1gb to ram usage

[barren lake]

wesley makes good stuff but jesus christ its large and thers like 5 interiors

id also say it has its own style but im not entirely sure

[azure comet]

It's cus some of them are really high quality, the only one that is large that shouldn't be is probably Grand Armory but that's cus he hasn't updated it yet

The rest have all been as optimized as they can be

[barren lake]

grand armory is cool, definitely well designed since its more vertical but im curious to see him touch on it again

[spare sinew]

Even rubber rooms?

[azure comet]

Yeah

[spare sinew]

I have really bad fps on it

[azure comet]

Really?

I don't

[spare sinew]

Yeah, no other interior works as bad as that one for me

[azure comet]

If you get bad fps in the elevator tiles try adding GoodItemScan tbh

I got lag without it that I don't get with it

[spare sinew]

Is not unplayable but it does remove ≈ 20 fps from my game

[azure comet]

Same thing happens near Tesla Gates

[barren lake]

this depends on your regular fps

is it 30 or 140

[spare sinew]

Depends :3

[barren lake]

ok fair :3

[spare sinew]

In orbit you could say a trillion fps

But in the interior...

Mmm around 50-80 maybe

[barren lake]

jeez

[spare sinew]

Yeah, i have a lot of mods and not the best pc

[azure comet]

I only ever got fps drops on a handful of moons if I got Slaughterhouse

[spare sinew]

But it works

[spare sinew]

Is that a mod?

[barren lake]

yeh

[azure comet]

It's an interior mod yeah

[barren lake]

GoodItemScan by TestAccount666

[azure comet]

Oh yeah

I recommend GoodItemScan

[spare sinew]

Why do that name is familiar

[azure comet]

it optimizes the vanilla scan system

[barren lake]

they probably made a bunch of good mods im not sure lemme look its familiar to me too

[azure comet]

Prolly cus he makes a lot of mods

[barren lake]

ah they made shipwindows

[spare sinew]

I think i have one of his mods

[azure comet]

lmao

[spare sinew]

The piggy tesla gates?

[azure comet]

Yes

[barren lake]

What the fuck why is there a mod that just renames all radar boosters to Daryl by them

[azure comet]

Probably was a meme mod someone asked him to make

idk

XD

[barren lake]

i fuck with it

[spare sinew]

Nah actually that is very important

It improves fps by 2 million%

[barren lake]

thatd be really funny if it overhauled the entire code of the game secretly

an inconspicious mod name Daryl

[spare sinew]

I dont have fps problems with them

Well first time i used them i had a bit of lag but after adding performance mods the lag went away

[jovial hedge]

im not sure if its just me but with vehicle hangar I sometimes get poor fps

I can understand slaughterhouses fps issue considering its high quality models, use of physics based props and light count boost

the fps bits on mine is probably from the volumetric fog or particles but idk.

i wanna make it better somehow

[azure comet]

Are you using LethalPerformance and LethalSponge? If it's cus of Volumetrics of Particles those will fix it

That's just vanilla being vanilla if you're not

[spare sinew]

You could try eating the tiles

That sometimes work

[barren lake]

i love huffing performance mods to make the game go from 50 to 80 fps

[spare sinew]

first time i tried lethal performance it lowered my fps xD

idk why was that

but i gave it a second chance and it worked

[barren lake]

wtf

[floral veldt]

that was my idea

i love daryl

he's my bestie

[jovial hedge]

gilbert is the best imo

[floral veldt]

FUCK gilbert!!!

[feral meteor]

@strong thunder

could you fix this

when a tile gets cut off the texture does not align

[jovial hedge]

thats been there for ages

[strong thunder]

those door blockers are painful and tbh I'd rather just not. They're really weird, they use a different material from the normal walls. not to mention all the rooms in the interior have their trims at different slightly heights. so I'd either have to change the walls of every tile or make custom blockers for every doorway. all seem like more trouble than it's worth.

so uh, they can just look a little ugly im fine with that.

[queen jasper]

I use blender now, but at the time I didn't know how to use it, so I used probuilder instead. I tried to match the height, uv and smth like that, but there was a problem that they were misaligned even when I used snap so I just gave up and made separate material

[strong thunder]

tbh im kinda glad you left them as pro builder meshes. it made it super easy for me to modify the old tiles

[spare sinew]

the mimic is trying so hard

[jovial hedge]

i dont understand why the mimic mod creator doesnt just have it make its own very thin wall slightly behind it to prevent stuff like this lmao

sure it would still be very visible that its a mimic

but at least theres no gaping hole

[spare sinew]

but then its the mimics fault?

[jovial hedge]

hmm

true

[spare sinew]

i thought this was bc of Office

i remember it happening on the old version too

but idk if its the mimics fault or Office

[jovial hedge]

its sorta both

mimic has absolutely zero support for doors any wider than vanilla

and office has doors wider than vanilla

shrimple as that

but its mostly mimic's fault

there might be an interior blacklist you can use? idk

[spare sinew]

yeah actually its an interior whitelist, and LC_Office comes by default

so i thought it had compatibility

also i had a bug where the first floor camera tile lagged pretty bad, i have it on video but it isnt that noticeable, it just happens when i go inside

[jovial hedge]

this isnt a bug, its just how taxing the cameras tend to be

[spare sinew]

oh okkk

so everyone has the same experience

[royal void]

The interior before the revamp didnt have double doors, I believe, so that’s why it was whitelisted

[spare sinew]

but it also had that same bug on the old version

wait

the old version did had double doors

[royal void]

Did a quick discord search & apparently it did have double doors, I must have had bad luck on not finding them in 2024. But that message also said it had compatibility before double doors were added back then as well, so

[spare sinew]

in fact it had double fire exit doors

[spare sinew]

wirdd

[strong thunder]

iirc the double door was only used on 2 tiles in the original version. when i made the warehouse sub tile set for the rework i decided to reuse them to make them a more prominent feature

[spare sinew]

So it isnt fixable :c

[strong thunder]

it'd probably have to be on the mimic creator tbh. sorry.
if say it grabbed the door socket it was replacing and made sure it's scale was within a certain range for compatibility that'd probably be the best solution.

or ig it doesn't necessarily have to be a blocker in a socket. nvm that suggestion

[kindred plover]

At least the Mimic was courteous enough to let you past it.

What a nice Mimic

[feral smelt]

id love to see someone fork and update it a bit if it was within the licence

I bet some of the newer tools could make it way more compatible

with other interiors

[wary flare]

Oh you can replace the outer 'shell' with a prefab of your own (with an attack animation), it'd still be emerging from a single door-sized hole, but it'd be convincing enough at least

Could cover up the holes on the sides too

I could send the stuff I have for circus Mimics, only downside is it'll show the missing Mimics.dll warning if playing without it installed (can't really do much about that though)

[exotic socket]

very slight nitpick, is the ceiling fan supposed to have an emissive material like the othe rlights?

[livid python]

is LC Office compatible already with wesley's interiors?

[exotic socket]

Probably, why wouldn't they be

[livid python]

I heard that office was broken with wesley interiors installed, so I just wanted to make sure

[exotic socket]

Hmm

I haven't tried both at the same time

[livid python]

idk exactly what, but it's all I remember

[vast grail]

I've been using both for a long time and haven't had any issues that I recall. If there are any weird incompatibilities with Office it'd probably be a moon, not an interior

[livid python]

alright gotcha

I'll be playing with both those mods this evening so I was just curious in this report

[strong thunder]

nah it's fine. you can even use the custom apparatuses to power the office elevator if you want lol

[calm verge]

Hey how is shrimp doing

[livid python]

Who?

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-attack-magic-krill-cursed-gif-10775215166482771225

[livid python]

Oh god
GET AWAY FROM ME

[floral veldt]

seems pretty bad right now

sadly

[calm verge]

I miss that hound

[floral veldt]

I miss the beast

[livid python]

I miss that bastard that ate my cat

[midnight sable]

shirmp 💔

[kindred plover]

shimp

[sturdy dawn]

simp

[floral veldt]

imp

[opal raven]

mp

[spare sinew]

p

[spare sinew]

p

what are the scraps lc office adds?

i heard the screwdriver comes from here

[sturdy dawn]

yup

[spare sinew]

what else

does it also add the toolbox?

[exotic socket]

do u have a pic of the toolbox

there are multiple mods that add them

[floral veldt]

it's an upturned asset, but I don't got a picture

there's the toolbox, the screwdriver and the coin

I forgot if there's any other ones in there

[midnight sable]

this is all of them

[sturdy dawn]

the Upturned

[floral veldt]

how could I forget the fuckass laptop 😭

i love and hate that thing

it's really funny looking

[midnight sable]

i love how youre clearly holding it with one hand but its a two handed item lmao

[floral veldt]

THAT TOO

[spare sinew]

where did you get that list??

im mostly asking about the scrap bc ive seen the toolbox be struck by lightning inside

and also bc they are almost the only scrap spawning on non wesleys moons so if i could change the weight it would be cool

[midnight sable]

i got it from the mattys fixes config

[spare sinew]

okok thanks

and yeah im not the only one having lightning strikes with lc office scrap

[signal galleon]

[strong thunder]

Don't worry shrimp has been given his daily walks and plenty of treats

[jovial hedge]

squish him

turn him unto fruit smoot thie

[midnight sable]

[signal galleon]

..

[hot cloud]

Kinda wanna look into improving the elevator for this mod

making stuff interact less buggy with it and having it crush ppl it lands on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365056716693045380/1365156300576522311/NEVER_insult_the_bug_butler.mp4?ex=680c4861&is=680af6e1&hm=8f352202c063cca369fc050ed551164fc373a8bf2294b0da8bfea3a50f466de8&

this is just kind of stupid

i think its time to retrofit the poor thing with the new system zeek made in v55

[midnight sable]

LOL wtf

[floral veldt]

so you do play with biodiversity lmao

[hot cloud]

this isnt my clip

but ive had this happen to me before

or enemies just getting stuck trying to enter the elevator

but yeah, im gonna look into it, i also want to look into doors having collision when opening when they shouldnt (if that hasnt been patched already)

[floral veldt]

oh LOL

[floral veldt]

that seems to have been fixed on a few doors

pretty sure all of em actually

[hot cloud]

ah, good

[floral veldt]

cuz I bugged jacob about it back when we tested

[hot cloud]

always bugged me

still. that poor damn elevator needs some love

I'm confident I can repair the original behavior of it too

being powered by the apparatus

I loved that so much. Still pains me it doesn't work that way anymore

[floral veldt]

im p sure jacob already redid it

[floral veldt]

oh that

i mean when i played that never was the case

[hot cloud]

when i played it was

it was awesome

[floral veldt]

im p sure you can still do that though, isn't it a thing in the config?

[hot cloud]

unless its been fixed its severely broken

[floral veldt]

i don't think jacob would leave a severely broken feature in the config and not have fixed it back when he pushed the big update

did you check changelogs?

i could be wrong honestly, i never tinker w the office config

[hot cloud]

I don't think anything was mentioned regarding the apparatus functionality

[hot cloud]

WHERE

[midnight sable]

from 2.0.0 changelog

[hot cloud]

ohh

i was looking at 2.0.1

so its already fixed?

whats going on w the elevator then

that clip is new

[midnight sable]

no idea, ive never seen that happen lol

[hot cloud]

last time i tried playing on it which was sometime last month a coilhead was refusing to enter the elevator

idk if i was too early though

like as in before it was fixed

[exotic socket]

sonic beetler

[exotic socket]

not all of them

some still don't have collisions

a limited number of the single doors

[hot cloud]

no the issue im talking abt is doors slamming your face when you open them

bc the doors in LC dont do that

[exotic socket]

oh

i dont think they do that

but they dont have collision when they are fully open either

[signal galleon]

elevator rebirth..

[strong thunder]

this is with zeekers stuff. i have rework on my list but im waiting for zaggy to finish their api update.

the enemies on it is half baked rn for that reason.

[quiet spade]

unrelated, what mod skins the butler like that? ive been trying so hard to figure it out '

is it biodiversity?

[floral veldt]

it's a joke skin for april fools from biodiversity

[jovial hedge]

buzztler

[livid python]

Not just skin
This fucker spawns little buttlet that one-shotted me with 100 hp last time I saw it

And it's sounds are annoying af
I tried to figure out which mod this was from

[livid python]

You...

[floral veldt]

you gotta manually activate it through a config, ||it also changes masked hornets to a weird baby butler thing||

was looking for a picture and got bored so I started playing pokemon pinball mb

[livid python]

lol

[floral veldt]

I'm on a car ride right now HAHAH

[livid python]

Take a sip of a beer
It helps you to see better

[floral veldt]

courtesy of Jacob's fucked up mind

[floral veldt]

mmyes I'm definitely driving right now

🧐

whoops just killed a family of 5

[livid python]

You have to post this to instagram reels

[novel python]

That's biodiversity

[livid python]

I figured that out

[novel python]

Wait nvm I think you know that

Okay yeah

[livid python]

yeah but you're good 👍

[novel python]

My bad

[valid jackal]

@strong thunder Every entity does this in the elevator. Please fix it when you get the opportunity to.

There's also an expoit /w the checkpoint where you can freely take items in and out of it while it's still powered:

Was too lazy to record it

[exotic socket]

this was already reported

elevators getting rewritten eventually

with some more stuff from mineshaft elevator i think

[strong thunder]

opposite. going to stop using mineshaft stuff and use pathfinding api when that gets updated.

the weird behavior comes from a combination of enemies not knowing how to be inside of an elevator + lc office elevator moving a bit too fast for enemies to keep up with.
I'd prefer to not increase waiting mechanics by making the elevator slower if i can help it.

[exotic socket]

i guess that makes sense

since enemies have to have a navmesh to move right? elevators work for players because they can just be parented to it, i'm guessing enemies can't do the same? or does the elevator have its own navmesh that it applies offmesh links to when near other navmesh?

[strong thunder]

it has it's own navmesh with a link. the main issue is enemies don't really choose to go on an elevator they just can enter it and their ai probably doesn't like that when it moves rn lmao.
i know things i want to change but the juicy good bits i need to wait for some stuff and i'd rather do all of it together

[exotic socket]

gotcha

is pathfindinglib adding pathfinding functions specifically for elevators?

[strong thunder]

it's been in the works for a while but fingers crossed i can get my hands on it soon to start working on stuff again. 🤞
I'll probably add something to jll too for people to implement their elevators easier (just plug in empty objects to mark floor positions or something). masked and any modded enemies that write support for it will be able to use the elevators

[wide minnow]

[spare sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/there-will-be-an-update-soon-update-fanfiction-fanfic-fanfic-update-gif-9519964056072360264

[wary flare]

Wait that's good to know actually, the current solution I have for my elevator to get enemies to request the elevator and path into it involves some extreme jank™ (which I wasn't even planning to actually include in an initial release)

It'd be nice to not rely on that to have enemies interacting with it lol

(Phasing through the elevator floor was fixed by removing some sneaky NavMesh generating above the elevator + having it go at 80% speed)

[wary flare]

I feel this too, I rewrote my elevator after finding out Masked are hard coded to only interact with a MineshaftElevatorController specifically if Mineshaft generates 💀

[spare sinew]

More teasers yippeeee

[strange gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-power-super-saiyan-gogeta-dash-gif-17180626

Forgive me for the useless ping I believe I forgot to turn it off 💔

[floral veldt]

bro's doing the master roshi 💔

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-dragonball-z-jackie-chun-dragonball-tien-gif-6556281710540701277

[strange gorge]

TRUEE

[exotic socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op18PGDYx6Y

this video is all i can think of when i see that

[floral veldt]

pussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussypussy fufufufufufufufufufufufufufufufufufufuShitfufufufufufufufufuFuckfufufufufufufuBoobs!fufufufufufufu

[kindred plover]

Did Monty get hijacked by his younger brother or something?

[floral veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/terc-the-elder-research-center-freaky-tree-freaky-tree-gif-12419065261263909916

[midnight sable]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-lebingus-gif-25269266

[jagged merlin]

I think if you sit in the cruiser it's a lot harder for Old Birds to detect you by the way. In my experience they have to be basically pushing the cruiser to see you once you're in it.

[hot cloud]

ye

not my clip

idk why nova did that

[signal galleon]

still worked in my favor tho!!

[feral smelt]

The lod distance for the glass doors should be increased imo

[jovial hedge]

schrodingers door

[feral smelt]

schrodingers beanie

[jovial hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-gif-18994602

[feral smelt]

added beanie moons to my pack

[jovial hedge]

no why would you ever do that they suck

uninstall

NOW

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pawing-at-you-cat-meme-cat-want-attention-cat-gif-cat-pawing-at-you-fast-gif-6262569175282285940

[feral smelt]

me likey

[feral smelt]

there are more stinky moons

also wanted to see the logo I made

[jovial hedge]

shore

[feral smelt]

ok since when was reign pitch black

[jovial hedge]

since i made it not sunny cus it doesnt make sense

[feral smelt]

now we need veldterior

[azure comet]

@strong thunder The zap doors low-key need a scan node or something to make them obvious, they just look like a doorway

[strong thunder]

zap doors? are you talking about the metal detector that only exists in the apparatus room that makes a humming noise?

[azure comet]

Maybe lol, It could have a scanner or something there that makes it more obvious it's a metal detector lol

[floral veldt]

I don't really think so

[spare sinew]

i do think so

hehe

nah but i didn't even know that killed you cuz the first time i went through nothing happen so i thought it was a cool tile

but then i went again and instant died :c

[azure comet]

Something similar to the metal detectors in Cyberpunk 2077 could be cool, scan lines going through it would help a lot lol

[strong thunder]

originally it was nothing but a decoration i put in place that did nothing. but when i did early access play testing off office all my playerw without fail who saw the metal detector assumed it did do something and dropped metalic items on the floor before entering it . that's what made me decide i should implement something. when i added the detector logic i also added the humming sound when it's active to make it more obvious. im not opposed to also adding a scan node, i probably should for consistency with hazards anyway, but i aldo think its reasonable as long as you're paying attention to your surroundings

[spare sinew]

I think it makes sense bc when playtesting you are more aware of your surroundings, but for casual players it may not be that obvious

Im gonna try it again cuz i dont remember it having a sound

[spare sinew]

ye it does have i just didn't pay much attention hehe, still would be cool to have a scan node

[daring vessel]

So, I know Shrimp has been bugged for a while reading bits of this tread. Are we expecting this to get fixed as it is one of my favourite entities but it cant be used in multiplayer at all. The two bugs I have found are:

1. Shrimp seemingly becomes unable to move after killing a player, its usual mechanics happen but it will simply run on the spot.
2. When you leave a moon with LC_Shrimp, installed the game will "soft lock" if other players are connected. when you leave to orbit the other players never seem to progress to the next day so you are unable to progress to another moons or land. Other players leaving the lobby will correct this issue but this is obviously less than ideal.

Again I really hope we will see an update for this which adresses these as its a really fun and unique entity to play around.

[strange gorge]

He can also freeze if you leave the building during the chase phase in my experience, it is a shame cause he would be a great addition. No idea what may be done about this though, tbh

[spare sinew]

For me it doesn't even let me land

Crashes the entire game

I really hope it gets fixed one day

[strong thunder]

shrimp will receive a large rewrite like office did. i haven't done work on it recently admittedly, which there's several reasons for.
I'm not going to spoil it but expect different behavior and mechanics from the same little doggo you love. (and no breaking other mods)

[floral veldt]

yummers

we love you jacon

[strange gorge]

Mmmm jacon 😋

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-sizzling-yummy-food-gif-17768489

In all seriousness though that's awesome man, your contributions have been/are/will be peak

[strange gorge]

LMAO

[rough dome]

Tried to get LC Office working a while ago but couldn't get it to load, assumed it was just outdated but it works fine by itself
Anyone know if there are any known incompatibilities with other mods? Saw someone mention Wesley's Interiors earlier

[floral veldt]

No interior is incompatible with another

are you playing with shrimp's standalone mod?

[rough dome]

No, definitely not

[sturdy dawn]

it doesn't load when landing?

can you try sharing the modpack code?

[rough dome]

I can send you the current version of my modpack but it's absolutely gigantic so it's probably no use to you, srry
But I should have an old backup somewhere from when I tried adding LC Office before, and that's much more reasonably sized
It's on my computer back at uni though so I don't have access to it rn, but I should be able to send you it tomorrow if that's ok?

[sturdy dawn]

how many mods.
I have one of 200 mods

[rough dome]

At one point nearly 400, but I've had to cut it down to 370ish because my friends couldn't run it :(

[sturdy dawn]

wow

[strong topaz]

how

how can one have that many mods

we peak at like 120

[valid jackal]

I have 170 rn lol

171 if I end up adding Ooblterra

[strong topaz]

could I get a code for your modpack

curios about this insanity

[valid jackal]

0196e4d1-dabc-48d2-e240-48e9c2920539

Fyi I don't use Sierra, Fray, Cambrian, Temper, nor Bozoros

I use Harvest Moons for Prominence and the mod's custom entities, and I use Bozoros for the Circus Facility

[strong topaz]

Bozoros has an interior?!??

Had no clue

[valid jackal]

I mean I don't use Bozoros

I only have it for the custom interior it comes with

The moon itself is hidden and deregistered from the terminal, as with the rest of the Harvest moons

[strong topaz]

yeah, I do that with a for some of Harvest moons too. Personally love Cambrian

only reason I have the mod

[valid jackal]

I wish they were separate releases ngl, same with Bozoros' stuff

It hogs up so much memory

I get it'd be painful to manually update each one, but I'd personally think the performance cost is worth it

47% memory every sesh 🤑

[wary flare]

There's a bunch of shared stuff between Bozo and the circus interior, but also LLL unloads the Bozo scene regardless

[solemn isle]

Hey, I just wanted to drop my appreciation for this interior (plus an issue I found). This interior has really grown on me as of late, and I really enjoy the newer additions like the scrap, new tiles, and stability improvements. I like the inspiration from The Upturned and how a how vanilla all the rooms feel (besides the elevator, though I have gotten used to it). I have unfortunately run into the issue of scrap sometimes (from my testing it is not common) spawning in unobtainable places, such as behind the walls on the entrance tile and inside crates (pictured). I see a lot is planned for this mod and I look forward to it all, keep up the good work!

[rough dome]

Not sure who this was aimed at but here's my big boy modpack 0196e619-4022-1136-59a4-edf0dc42c443
I'm in the middle of trying to configure spawn rates of a bunch of stuff but it's probably playable?

[floral veldt]

I think Sierra is awesome

barring some faulty balancing which is fixed in the indev version

[solemn isle]

Does the one Harvest Moon (the forest one with the Matriarch) still have a Fire Exit that just makes you fall through the map?

[strong topaz]

Pretty sure it does not, I never witnessed that on Sierra (that is what it's called)

[strong topaz]

really enjoy the layout but yeah, balance in the latest release and also huge framedrops for some reason. Frame issues with all except cambrian - even in a sterile environment :(

[floral veldt]

I think the one they're referring to is Fray

[strong topaz]

am I restarted

I may have mixed up the names of the creatures

[floral veldt]

that's pretty strange, I have not encountered super visible frame drops from playing harvest moons

though it usually takes a lot for me to notice frame loss

[strong topaz]

minute during clear weather, only the occasional stutter

but it was reaaaally bad during foggy and thunderstorms for some reason

Particularly on Fray

[spare sinew]

Haven't seen any updates for it so i assume it still hasn't been fixed

[sturdy dawn]

Have you reported the bug by any chance?
From what I saw in the thread, no one had reported the bug until relatively recently.

[solemn isle]

I do not use those moons so I did not really bother. This was around 2 months ago when there had not been a update for a while so I assumed they were unmaintained

I was just scouting them with Imperium and noticed a Fire Exit floating in the void that still connected to the interior (meaning people could seemingly come across it in the interior)

[spare sinew]

Yeah i got a run ended cuz of that xd

At first i thought it was intentional

But then autumnis said that it wasn't intended

[solemn isle]

Well it is known then

[spare sinew]

yeah i think autumnis is fixing it, you should ask in that thread

[steel quarry]

Idk if this happens to anyone else or if its just an issue for me, the newer versions would never load the interior, no matter how high I made it to spawn, it just never loads.
but when I downgrade it to v1.2.7 it loads
anyone else has this issue?

[trim grove]

I've not had this issue. Probably post your logs

[steel quarry]

Noidea if I screenshot the right stuff but here's this

[signal galleon]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeml2NjA5dHY5YTdwcTRpamt3OXlyOW16NzFmdmVjc2Nva2tncndzcyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/1kpTbQ7bbaHjY0Xpfq/giphy.gif

[tiny wave]

wait

[wary flare]

Shrimp's getting a full refactor/code rewrite, so I'm pretty sure this specific thing is already fixed (since it's pretty trivial)

[tiny wave]

StartOfRound patch

where instance is GrabbableObject

[wary flare]

Actually yeah what

Thonk

[tiny wave]

so harmony will complain and cry when you do _instance and not __instance

but it wont say jack shit or fuck all

[wary flare]

Surprised that runs at all lmao

[tiny wave]

if you give it the wrong type

[gentle fox]

Disabling LC_Shrimp in our modpack stopped timeout issues from happening, and the multitude of other problems

[tiny wave]

noice

[wary flare]

Yeah there's a bunch of other networking stuff to fix iirc, not just that

[gentle fox]

pain

[strong thunder]

as other people have said already shrimp was pretty broken and probably shouldn't have been using it pre v70 either lol

[strong thunder]

also in my current beta version there are 0 harmony patches so this is also right

[wary flare]

Nice

[wary flare]

I just completely ignored __instance being misinformation, I trusted the method parameters to be correct

I am gullible 😔

(Actually no idea how Harmony lets that slide though lmao)

[strong thunder]

i've said this in some other places but i'll also throw it here too. I'm probably not going to work on stuff for a bit because i got a baby 2 month old puppy i need to take care of + deltarune just released so i'm on that grind in the free time i have while puppo is napping

[wary flare]

Doggie

[midnight sable]

dogi

just dont forget about the other dog!!

[merry inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/puppies-dogs-cute-happy-joyful-gif-19542170

[autumn karma]

we played this interior quite a few times yesterday on v72 and we run into a problem where we had problems of turrets shooting through walls, i sadly dont have a recording of this but it wasnt just around the corner, the turret was literally in a completly different tile actualy. i never seen this happen on v69 so im not sure if this is just a very rare thing with a specific spawn or if something broke with v72 or so

[strong thunder]

that sounds like a wall of some tile is layered incorrectly but without knowing what tile you're talking about i can't do much

[autumn karma]

yea thought so, i can try and see if i find one again but it would be quite difficult

i could draw a ugly top down view of how it was generated xd

[autumn karma]

either this 3 way tile or the fully + shaped version of it, turret was in the corner pointing into the wall basically and on the other side there was also 3 way tile wich was not connected to that one

tho is there a version of this tile without doors and just free paths? i feel like the tile where turret was in may not have had doors and was just free

[mental shale]

Me and my friends are playing on V72 and we encountered this issue

The elevator can only be accessed my the host, for the rest their elevator's are just stuck, and intangible
How can I fix this?