Scarlet Devil Mansion v2.2（紅魔館）

[dim basin]

any ZIP is also a compressed package, etc. Package just referring to multiple files with a container.

Ahh yeah, you're good. It's an older term, and/or more Computer Science than lay term.

[tranquil frigate]

Fo sho

Thanks for infos

[dim basin]

yw 🙂

[tranquil frigate]

Released the update with the not evil netcode, more configs, and a preset for smaller lobbies. Also I made the branching paths a bit shorter on average.

Also I'm sorry to say but for those using AC, I temporarily removed the code that let my dungeon's custom features work with AC. The dungeon should still work (I hope), but the custom items, enemies, and some of the configs won't work.

Some of the new configs I added requires me to add some code to get it to work with AC, but with the whole current AC and LLL shebang, I'll wait for things to cool down (and more importantly the code).

I will get the AC combability code working again for v1.3 don't wory. These current updates are mostly housekeeping and preparation for v1.3

[meager acorn]

I'm having the flashlight too issue even with reservedcore disabled. I pick up a D. Proflashlight and I can no longer interact with anything. It also turns into 2 different flashlights in my inventory. Not sure what is conflicting with it.

this is what pops up when i pick up a flashlight

basically the end of it and then my game will either close or hang after a few seconds

018ded10-e174-ae95-336f-27ead7382a29

[tranquil frigate]

ty, i will be checking this tonight

I said two tongue emotes a day, and you did actually followed through. Respect

[amber osprey]

are these properties now defunct, in favor of the DunGen block properties? I should delete these from the config file right?

[tranquil frigate]

They are still used, they were just renamed and/or placed into different sections

[amber osprey]

my config has both

[tranquil frigate]

You probably have to create a new config file

To get rid of the useless configurations

Since bepinix doesn't do it automatically for us

[amber osprey]

kk

[simple skiff]

Having the same issue with this guy, tried for both Green flashlight and Pro flashlight and it seems that it broke our inventory (even after respawned from getting killed doesn’t resolve the issue).

[quiet pecan]

So wait, Scarlet Devil Mansion requires OdinSerializer now? I previously rejected LC_Office from my mod profile due to what I considered excessive additional dependencies including OdinSerializer, though the primary concern was LethalNetworkAPI. I understand if there's a security concern with the vanilla .NET serializer, but upon reading the linked articles about the security threat, it seems to be a design issue with the concept of serializing and deserializing in the context of .NET classes that is considered a Hard Problem to solve which is why Microsoft is giving up. So I looked into OdinSerializer and I see literally nothing about security. I googled for other places talking about OdinSerializer and I see literally nothing about security. So whatever vulnerability BinaryFormatter has, OdinSerializer probably also has it. OdinSerializer explicitly supports polymorphism, which is where in principle this vulnerability lives. If anything, OdinSerializer is probably less secure because it has the same vulnerabilities as BinaryFormatter plus whatever mistakes might have been made by its small devteam.

If we're to take this as a legitimate concern (and we should, since it appears to be used to send network data between clients, so a malicious client could hypothetically send a malware payload to pwn any other connected clients), then I don't think the lesson is "switch to another flavor of .NET serialization that hasn't even tried to ameliorate this security issue and indeed seems to be completely unaware of its existence", but instead to not use class-augmented serialization in the first place. The lesson, then, is to use something that cannot remotely execute code at all, like JSON (if using some flavor of Json.NET then you need to be sure to use TypeNameHandling.None or else it behaves the same way as BinaryFormatter/OdinSerializer and has the exact same vulnerability) or DataContractSerializer (what CSync uses).

[tranquil frigate]

You can take this up with Lordfirespeed and Albino. I have no real concern over security but I've been told to switch and I just wanna make funny touhou dungeon mod.

[quiet pecan]

Oh no, that's fair, and you were right to switch. Especially if not using BinaryFormatter is considered a requirement now. I'm just concerned that the switch was like a new coat of paint that didn't really solve the security problem. If you were to switch to Unity.JSON or DataContractSerializer, then the vulnerability would probably be fixed for real, and you wouldn't need the extra dependency added to mod lists. Personally, I don't play in public servers, so the threat of one of my friends taking remote control of my computer isn't all that scary. Though I do try to minimize the number of APIs in my modlist because each one increases the surface area for potential slowdowns and desyncs.

I'm usually apprehensive about pinging people outside of direct replies, especially moderators, but your status does say "feel free to DM me" so hopefully this is okay. I may be totally off-base, but I'm not sure switching from BinaryFormatter to OdinSerializer is really accomplishing anything except adding a dependency. Can you take a look at my concerns here?

[dim basin]

Hey there! Please refer to the official responses here for the best understanding:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/serialization/binaryformatter-security-guide
https://github.com/dotnet/announcements/issues/293

Put simply, it's enough of an issue that Microsoft and .NET are removing it entirely.

(And yes, always feel free to ping/DM me.)

[quiet pecan]

Yes. I read both of those articles. Did you read my big messages above? I'm reasonably confident that OdinSerializer has the exact same vulnerability.

[dim basin]

Checking...

https://github.com/TeamSirenix/odin-serializer/security

It does not appear that the vulernabilities are known to exist against odin-serializer (I tired to search for a few, but not sure, that's not an outright confirmation.) https://odininspector.com/odin-serializer (see the comparison checkmarks)

Versus BinaryFormatter which had a few:
https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2020-25258
https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2021-29508
and in the wild: https://starlabs.sg/advisories/23/23-3513/

Odin Serializer seems to have many different paths of serialization, including Binary, but also Text. Now, all binary serialization isn't bad, only the C#/dotnet implementation(s).

Short answer: I don't know, maybe? But not reported/known to be vulnerable.

[tranquil frigate]

I completely understand. I don't like that my dependencies keep increasing. But it's either I spend 5 mins switching flavours of serializors, or I spend an unknown amount of time to send it json style or whatever.

[dim basin]

NewstonSoft.JSON is the other option lol

[tranquil frigate]

I know I'm probably mostly overreacting with the unknown amount of time. But time is a precious resource as I'm mostly a one-man team.

[dim basin]

but odin-serializer does it beter iirc

but like, in the scale of 300 mod packs, does +1 dep matter much?

[tranquil frigate]

If that json thing can serialize a class with class data variables inside, then that's all that I really need

[quiet pecan]

Well I personally don't play with 300 mods. My current list is 33. But anyway, I've spent the past couple of hours looking through OdinSerializer's API documentation and source code (I started looking before my first message, decided the situation was unclear, and then redoubled my effort afterward) and I'm no closer to an answer. Scarlet Devil Mansion passes a null SerializationContext, which looks like the correct thing to do, but from what I can understand it doesn't mean no SerializationContext, it means the library creates its own SerializationContext through means I don't fully understand. Does that context allow for binding type names and enabling malicious class initializers or getters to run? Who knows. I just hope people smarter than me take a second look at this issue and consider for the future instead recommending DataContractSerializer, which is known to be safe (when used correctly, that is restricting the Type that can be serialized) and doesn't require a dependency. Or NewstonSoft.JSON, or Unity.JSON. I don't even know which would be the best solution.

[tranquil frigate]

As far as I know, I give Odin a class, it gives me bytes. The class has 1 string, a bunch of data value types. Can it be hijacked idk? I just use the base feature that Odin gives me

[quiet pecan]

I guess it's also possible that Lordfirespeed will chime in and point out that I'm being foolish. If that is the case, so be it. I can live with another dependency, especially if the appeal of OdinSerializer is that it's easy for modders to use. Should I ping him? Should someone else?

[tranquil frigate]

Ping whoever is awake lol. They usually respond

[quiet pecan]

I feel like I'm already being too much of a bother, so I'll just accept using OdinSerializer. Oh, and thanks for the awesome interior as well as all the config settings for it.

[tranquil frigate]

Nah I signed up for pain and suffering by opening this thread so I see what people want (pain refers to bug fixing, feature adding, fluff reduction)

I use OdinSerializet for two functions and that's it. It's really not that necessary

[shut lake]

Did you figure this out?

[tranquil frigate]

Tonight I will (it is tonight now for me)

[tranquil frigate]

Now I finally got to see the error in front of me, I'm both surprised and not surprised at all. I just gotta figure out which mod is the culript.

[tranquil frigate]

Its... MoreCompany's fault?

For the nerds interested, I use the PlayerController's Awake() function to create the colored lights. I use Awake cause it should only ever be called once. And somehow MoreCompany used a technique that would make it be called twice.

This is the 2nd time More Company has done unspeakable things to my ass

[cerulean ether]

Woaw

Your poor ass

[tranquil frigate]

For real

[timid surge]

what exactly did it do to call awake a second time?

not sure if it would be relevant to any of my mods, but it does sound a bit concerning

[tranquil frigate]

It creates extra players but duplicating the last Player gameobject

As such, every player past the base game's 4 players gets two Awake/Start/OnEnable() functions

[timid surge]

wait, does instantiating from an existing object do that??

[cerulean ether]

So the bug never occurs before 4 players?

Or well, 5

[tranquil frigate]

Yuh

I have the boring logs to prove but

Flashlight Index 0. Count: 2
0: flashlight
1: bbBulbLight
2: laserLight
Created helmet light for scarlet flashlight at index 3
Flashlight Index 1. Count: 3
0: flashlight
1: bbBulbLight
2: laserLight
3: scarletlight0
Created helmet light for scarlet flashlight at index 4

Did you know there are three lights on each player, now you know

Well, I just add two on top of it, nothing crazy

[timid surge]

oh yeah, I've seen em while I was working on body cams

[tranquil frigate]

Until

[timid surge]

but I wonder what the stack trace for those two calls is? Awake() should be called where the object is instantiated

[tranquil frigate]

[Info :MoreCompany] ResizePlayerCache: 7
[Info :MoreCompany] Resizing player cache from 4 to 7 with difference of 3
Flashlight Index 0. Count: 8
0: flashlight
1: bbBulbLight
2: laserLight
3: scarletlight0
4: scarletlight1
Created helmet light for scarlet flashlight at index 5
Flashlight Index 1. Count: 9
0: flashlight
1: bbBulbLight
2: laserLight
3: scarletlight0
4: scarletlight1
5: scarletlight0
Created helmet light for scarlet flashlight at index 6

[timid surge]

calling awake() upon instantiating an object seems like it would break a lot of assumptions

[tranquil frigate]

It resizes the player count, by just instantiating (copying) an already instantiated player, which means that Awake() is effeciently called twice on these players.

[tranquil frigate]

Awake() and Start() is always called on a freshly made monobehaviour script, no matter how it was created

[timid surge]

ohhh wait I think I get your point now

1. original 4 players awake(), instantiate their flashlights
2. expanded lobby code runs, duplicates one of the 4 players with existing flashlights
3. awake() is called on the duplicated players, creating more flashlights

[tranquil frigate]

yuh

[timid surge]

I got the impression that the Awake() was being called twice after Instantiate()

but that may have been me misreading something

[tranquil frigate]

Well ya you right. My wording isn't the clearest

Well, I just gotta add some extra checks now

And more fallbacks!

[timid surge]

the most foolproof way would be to make a component that spawns those

that way you can only add them once

[cerulean ether]

You can fall back, I promise I'll catch you :p

[timid surge]

makes it easier to get a reference to the instance of a flashlight's light for each player too, I would presume

[past lily]

yo lads i know this is extreamly unrelated but anyone know any mods for a monster hunting pack

[tranquil frigate]

Nopez

[tranquil frigate]

Do you mean to create a component on the playerController, and I use that to create the flashlights and to also reference whether or not it's been created/called?

[timid surge]

yeah pretty much, but since you can only have one of a component, you don't even have to check whether it's been created

[tranquil frigate]

Ya your right, that's a whole bunch smarter actually

[timid surge]

if you do
__instance.AddComponent<ColoredFlashlights>() from Awake(), it'll only create one instance of the component on that

[tranquil frigate]

And I can call GetComponent to know if it's added or not already

SmartsSmarts

[timid surge]

but there's no need to check that unless some other mod interferes

if you add the component in Awake() and never remove it, there will always be one instance of the component on all players

[tranquil frigate]

AddComponent<> doesn't check if the same component already exists I'm pretty sure. You can have duplicate Components on the same gameobject even if it isn't the most recommended thing in the world to do

I know I use duplicate box colliders every so often on the same gameobject

[timid surge]

oh huh

I thought I had tested that but perhaps not

[tranquil frigate]

Maybe it's [DisallowMultipleComponentAttribute] you are thinking about? I can see that prevent component duplication.

But you have to specify that a component can't be duplicated. Not the other way around

At least, I'm like 95% sure I can't say for 100% sure

[timid surge]

I wasn't aware of that attribute actually

I suppose had I seen that before I would've known it does allow duplicates lol

Unity documentation likes to omit very important details pretty often unfortunately

[tranquil frigate]

tbf, I rarely ever use that attribute

I just inheritely know that I shouldn't add duplicate scripts in 99% of cases

[timid surge]

same

[tranquil frigate]

but GetComponent is cheap, nothing to worry

[timid surge]

I haven't really had to do that in a while though actually

yeah

[tranquil frigate]

@shut lake @meager acorn @silver hare @strange umbra Fixed the flashlight bug. While I said earlier it was a buggy interaction with MoreCompany, considering Aeniema was using AC, it may just be a weird interaction with how lobby player increase mods work. Nerd shit aside, it's been fixed. The fix will be out in a bit.

[meager acorn]

🥳

[tranquil frigate]

Alright for real this will be the last patch for v1.2. Considering how much work is ahead of me for v1.3 (especially with two level loaders now), it will be a fat minute until then.

Like, how are you supposed to find these bugs in the first place

Who has literally 4 friends on standby to find these bugs before pushing them out

Friend advantage too strong

[tranquil frigate]

I did check if I could just use Unity's in-built JSON thingy but maybe I'm doing something wrong, but it just refuses to serialize my data classes

I can try again later, but if I can't serialize my data classes, then it just ain't gonna work

[nimble delta]

Here to make a bug report: friends too OP. Pls nerf the rate in which others obtain friends to level the playing field.

(but really, solid work on updating this even more - even after ye wanna take a step back for a tad bit 😅 )

[tranquil frigate]

i only got like 15 days until I become completely and utterly busy

So I'm making those days count until then

[nimble delta]

and only when you're 2 days into super-busy: "DEV, SUPER GAMEBREAKING BUG~"

... - w-

[tranquil frigate]

I dont typically leave in super gamebreaking, computer destructing, balls shattering bugs that take days to fix

i say that but the flashlight one and the painting was one of those

but i realized the issue, it was fixed quickly

[nimble delta]

Rude, i never asked for the balls shattering bugs to be fixed

but the rest, understandable 👍

[tranquil frigate]

thats it

demonic paintings now have a 10% of spawning in a already pissed up jester

[nimble delta]

😭

actually that would be creepy

to spawn in a jester that forces to start winding up immediately

[tranquil frigate]

oh you didn't notice?

[nimble delta]

i haven't played in like... many days... due to the nuclear fallout of what happened in the server XD

[tranquil frigate]

may God pray upon you when it happens, wink wink

[nimble delta]

I guess I could also set like.... ... I guess like I could still balance interior generation rates 'n such.... even if the pack can't be played... till replacement mods come out of the woodwork... (hopefully)

[tranquil frigate]

what chu on about

[nimble delta]

o- o

As in I could still balance interior generation rates by simulating with LLL

I haven't truly gone in to type "simulate" and every single different moon to make it feel right

I sort of expected every moon to have more-or-less same weight distribution by default

[silver hare]

Awesome, thanks for your hard work. I was going to try testing it out, but if the bug requires 5+ people on, that's going to take up some time I don't think anyone else will want to use lol. Will just have to see what happens when it comes up.

[tranquil frigate]

i know someone has a google sheets thing that automatically "simulates" for you on the fly

[tranquil frigate]

Oh don't worry about, I believe you were using MoreCompany right? The bug happens when the lobby size is 5+

[silver hare]

Yeah, I'd have to update the pack and convince all the guys to go running around looking for the flashlight shit so we can do some testing and I don't think that'll sound very appealing sadly

[tranquil frigate]

Oh you fine. Like I said it's only when the lobby size is 5+, not actual player size, just when the lobby has been decided to be 5 players max

Or its better to say that it used to happen. It shouldn't happen again, and if bugs arise again I put a killswitch for the colored flashlight to act like a normal one

[silver hare]

That specifically and only that? kind of weird but alright, i'll take your word for it

good idea though

[tranquil frigate]

The bug was just unexpected code/mod interaction. Which is why it sounds so weird

[silver hare]

Yeah, you have a point there

[tranquil frigate]

btw yall can enjoy this wip image (minutes before a bracken snapped my neck during testing)

[timber moss]

(he cannot the roman numerals)

[fallow prairie]

ooo clock

will it move throughout the day?

[opal wigeon]

semi unrelated but my lord would a bloodborne esque dungeon go hard

[tranquil frigate]

the clock will indeed move throughout the day

and do other fun things as well

[dusk maple]

That's awesome

[covert tartan]

I heard this isnt working with AC, is there any reason why

[covert tartan]

that would go crazy

[cerulean ether]

likely a bug with AC's fork of LLL

[tranquil frigate]

It's really a case of, I need to add more code to AC for a recent feature I added, but it was in the middle of the AC/LLL thingy, and I heard another feature wasn't working with AC already, and how does AC work exactly with LLL now, etc. There were too many problems at the same time so I just said f' it. I'll disable the AC features, say it probably doesn't work so people don't play it and get a buggy experienc. But in a week's time, I'll do it again all correct and right once everything settles down.

Since these last updates don't have any real new features, just housekeeping stuff and bug fixing, yall wouldn't lose much anyway (except maybe the bug fixing)

But all that housekeeping stuff is done now and the AC's LLL code looks calmed down now too, I can go back and get it all working

I do estimate that it will be 3-4 days until v1.3, which will have two new dungeon door features (one fun, one pain), and AC/LLL compatiblity working. I do apologize for the wait.

@covert tartan I hope that makes sense

[quiet pecan]

I think JSON only works on objects, not classes, which is what makes it more secure than a (de)serializer that supports classes. You can serialize an instance of a class, but it won't retain any of its classiness in JSON form, though Unity's JsonUtility allows you to specify a class on the deserialization end. That said, I also think JSON is slower than binary serializers. The option that's both fast and secure is probably DataContractSerializer, which is what Owen3H's CSync uses. Incidentally, maybe you were doing everything correctly with JsonUtility but the reason it wasn't working is that you're hitting the bug fixed by the FixPluginTypesSerialization mod. But I dunno. 🤷‍♀️ Whatever the case, I don't think worrying about this is a priority. I'd rather see 1.3 released with AC compatibility. 🙂

[tranquil frigate]

Objects/classes I use them interchangeably even though I know they are not. What matters though is Odin works and it's safer

[weak stag]

My friend (Loud)
https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/1Y5IeJw_Lynl1T/d1337EmPbqhk?invite=cr-MSxrUEQsNDg4NTQ5Nyw

Was funnier because he was using a Marisa skin

[hard mirage]

Truly a moment

[cloud adder]

only take it if you really have nothing to do

i had a friend with me and we took both sakuya's and remilia's

sakuya being in basement, and was lucky remilia was near fire exit

[weak stag]

yeahhh, i mean its like apparatus
you typically wanna get it last

[hard mirage]

Doesn't the black mist on the doorways get removed after a couple of seconds?

Also your friend got lucky that it was a Nutcracker. For my case, a winding Jester spawned and I was a bit far from the Main Entrance. Good thing I stumbled upon a familiar area and managed to blitz to the main entrance with a popped Jester just an inch away from me before I got out. Truly one of the scariest LC Modded experience I've had

[weak stag]

Yes
He didnt know tho, hence his panic

[weak stag]

Thats proly the worst outcome, i think

actually, that reminds me
Perhaps you could add a config option to list the names of entities to spawn from taking the paintings?
(Could go one step further and let people specifiy weights like how you would with the interior spawn chances on different moons but thats not neccesary)
That would then mean we could add custom enemies to be able to spawn
I'd love it where taking the painting could spawn a herobrine or a Shy Guy
@tranquil frigate

[amber osprey]

Or along a similar vein, is it possible to have coilheads not spawn on the map, only the knights? They do the same thing so I'd rather have just the knights since they're more thematic.

[weak stag]

o, that too
I havent seen a normal coilhead on the scarlet mansion tho tbf

only the knights

[cloud adder]

i have

[cloud adder]

coilheads can spawn, knights are coilheads but reskinned

i think it could be a slight conflict tho possibly

since i have the scp 173 one

only seen one actual coilhead spawn and knights are common

[amber osprey]

I've seen normal coils

[cloud adder]

i am positive the scp173 is only the chance for scp 173

and doesnt play around with coilhead chances

so it should be too much of a conflict and if it does, nothing should happen since a override should happen?

[weak stag]

Ah

[cloud adder]

oh 4 out of 5 times i took the painting btw

3 knights, 1 coilhead

the last one being a thumper

[amber osprey]

Yeah I think the times I've seen coilheads has been from paintings

Not sure if it was all of them

[weak stag]

I have had 2 mimics, my friend had the nutcracker and thats all i can remember

[cloud adder]

yea that my only encounter

[cloud adder]

mimic would be bad if no shovel and friend

[weak stag]

yeah
i mean you can duke them, its not the end of the world but yeah

[cloud adder]

the issue with them is they can go outside

[weak stag]

true, tho i have lethalescape on
For me the main issue is the fact you dont get the body back

[tranquil frigate]

Ya it's not a hard feature to add, but I will have to add it after v1.3.0 if ya don't mind.

The painting enemies are spawned from a random list of approved enemies, if that enemy can spawn from that moon

And it doesn't account for any spawn weight, so technically all enemies are equally weighted

As such, when I add those configs, it will just be editing a string of the enemies that can spawn and kill you, along with their weights if you want to edit that.

[hard mirage]

Does that include modded enemies

[tranquil frigate]

it can include modded enemies, it just compares the enemy's internal name

|| "knight","crawler", "nutcracker", "springman","maskedplayerenemy", "jester" || the current enemy list. the config will just be you expanding this to your heart's content

[hard mirage]

oh boy

cant wait for any of us to have shy guy spawn in the room with us

[tranquil frigate]

nice

we love to see it

seeing each other shit their pants

[weak stag]

My friends are evil and wanna set his charge-up time to 0
That combined with him spawning here would be awful lol

[weak stag]

ye thats fine, that will be awesome!

[formal kraken]

By the way

Do the knights still spawn if coilhead rarity is set to 0?

And is there a way to make ALL spawned coilheads into knights instead?

[tranquil frigate]

No as it's not an interaction I expected to happen. They will spawn at a low 10 rarity if coil-heads don't exist on the moon, but the same isn't true if the coil-heads rarity is 0 (they just steal rarity)

[tranquil frigate]

There is no way rn, but it will be added for v1.3.1

[light talon]

wheres the config file?

[granite meteor]

Should be called ScarletMansion

Did you boot the game up to generate it

[light talon]

yeah, not showing on the config folder tho

[tranquil frigate]

Two things. One make sure you run the game first with my mod. Two, I use three different names (Alice [Thunderstore], ImoutoSama [Mod], LadyRaphtalia [Discord]) and the mod name in code isn't the even the full name of the mod in Thunderstore (ScarletDevilMansion vs ScarletMansion).

So I don't blame you for it being hard to find

[polar jackal]

@tranquil frigate Just leaving this idea here.
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Catalyss/FlandreGhostGirl/

I have yet to see the ghost girl in SDM so if you have already done something like this. Oooopsy. 😛

[tranquil frigate]

I so want to add her

I keep promising her

But the person I asked to help me get the original Flandre model from my prev games, so she can be renderered properly in LC is just too busy.

And while I'm half decent in programming I think

I am such dogwater when it comes to shaders

[dusty sparrow]

interesting

[hard mirage]

She will drag you to her basement and make you play her stage 👍

[lost rampart]

Hey there, there appears to be some kind of error when Lethal Things and ScarletDevilMansion are installed: #1178456016254414878 message

[cinder kettle]

a setting to disable the knights or reduce their spawn chance would be nice

[tranquil frigate]

We had a similar issue error with Lethal in the past, if you post your full mod list I can see where it went all wrong

[lost rampart]

Sure, here's the profile as a code: 018dfd8b-4a87-27eb-0057-f8590a580f60

Here's the modlist: https://pastebin.com/r2nS8CJ2

[tranquil frigate]

But I must say that my first impression is that my mod can't be causing the bug. But at this point who knows

Ty

[lost rampart]

I'm not sure where the bug is coming from tbh but I just brought it up to both involved mod authors since it doesn't happen if SDM is disabled

Not sure if there's any actual consequences to the error though

[cloud adder]

lmao

[hard mirage]

So let me just ask

[tranquil frigate]

No

Go ahead

[hard mirage]

oh sorry you see my stupid abc shit

i screenshotted too fast

(Updated the ss)

Does SDM have some weird interactions with CullFactory when I turn this on

[tranquil frigate]

I didn't see nothing so all good

Uhh I'm not too sure, this is probably more of a @timid surge question. My dungeon is close to a vanilla dungeon so if it works for vanilla it should work with those settings

[tranquil frigate]

@weak stag @cloud adder btw btw, i forgot to ask. I would love to have your feedback on the recent dungeon generation (if you were playing after v1.2.10).

My gamer friends are too busy being gamers for other games so I can't test my own dungeon atm

[weak stag]

Whats the main differences?
I played recently and i didnt feel much difference, not that thats bad at all
I noticed like, there was more rooms nestled together in like a grid-shape rather longer branching paths? but that could have just been that specific generation idk

[tranquil frigate]

The main changes I made recently is fixing the scrap spawn to be better spread out (and not spawn primarily in the upper floors), and making the dungeon a bit more smaller

The grid-shape makes more sense, I decreased the hallway tiles spawn chance in general (especially for branching paths), but I'm not sure how that feels fun/gameplay wise yet

[weak stag]

ooo interesting, i'll be sure to try today

[polar jackal]

I will wait with anticipation. 😄

[uncut geyser]

@tranquil frigate Searching for a nutcracker and he blasted me through a wall, or door? Anyways he was cheatin

[pseudo current]

Nutcrackers are able to do this too on Vanilla mansion doors.

[cloud adder]

there should be a fix for this maybe?

[silver hare]

I think this was a good idea, it felt kind of easy to get lost with so many hallways, especially when they're dark. As for the scrap though, it seems really hard to find sometimes on default settings. I had originally turned scrap spawn rate up a bit, but when you came out with the presets I decided to try out the new default just to see what that was like in hopes things had improved. The dungeon layout seemed less confusing but there'd be several times where I'd run all the way to the end of paths and find nothing. Maybe that's how it's supposed to be, I don't know.

[tranquil frigate]

Unfortunately the doors, even in the base game, are nothing but fake.

You can also see this happen with coilheads, it's strange. I can see what I can do but I do warn you that it may be impossible within the scope of my mod

[tranquil frigate]

That's a bit of shame. I know from my own recent testing the scarp distribution seemed better, but perhaps it's still a bit strange.

[amber osprey]

Had one player in party desync when the map was SDM. He had facility layout while everyone else had SDM. He would just fall through the world of the facility out of bounds, get teleported back to the entrance, and repeat.
Was able to teleport him back so he was a loot runner that day but still unfortunate.

[tranquil frigate]

I know base game scrap distribution can be equally dog sometimes too so I don't know if its a LC problem or my dungeon problem, but I'll see what things I could modify to improve it a bit.

[tranquil frigate]

I hear that problem ever so often. I believe it's a particularly mod in fault, don't know which but you can try asking here https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1193461151636398080
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1204994881161007155

I don't know which one is the "correct" thread but they should know

[amber osprey]

Thanks I'll try asking

[tranquil frigate]

i have to no idea what im doing with graphs
I checked the distance that scrap would spawn in Experimentation. It looks like 60% of all loot spawns within 60 distance from the entrance, which I believe is about the same distance as two mayors back to back.

And go figure, most scrap spawns in the middle, center floors

But I know for a fact that regular dungeon scrap like to spawn at the entrance too, to which my map does very rarely

[opal wigeon]

its done by getcomponentsoftype which sorts through the scene in order

so if the main entrance is the first thing made the randomscrapspawns in that room will be the first in that list

i think

[tranquil frigate]

let me see

[opal wigeon]

you could probably normalize it abit by sorting that list by distance and using a function or two if you catch my drift

[tranquil frigate]

randomScrapSpawn = list4[this.AnomalyRandom.Next(0, list4.Count)];

this function implies that the scrap spawns are still chosen at random

what I believe the issue is, the tiles that connect after the mayor are always hallways (which have a low chance for loot), then it has a chance 50/50 chance of connecting that hallway tile with another hallway tile (again low chance for loot) or room tile (high chance for loot). It takes a while to even reach a room that will spawn high amounts of loot.

I also had to reduce the spawn range for each scrap spawn, since if I don't, the randomly chosen position loves to connect to the upper floors and all the scrap will spawn there. The scrap spawn for base game LC has a huge spawn range, which is why you will see scrap randomly in hallways.

So when we combine all this, scrap is gonna naturally spawn further away from the entrance, which is a huge contrast to base game LC.

And it creates the feeling of little loot

I'm not entirely sure how I can address this without changing the whole dungeon at its core, but I'll be thinking about it. I know I can encourage scrap to spawn closer to the entrance, so I may start there.

[tranquil frigate]

These will be changes I will try for v1.3.1, I know I promised something else that update but I'll do that as well

[uncut geyser]

Yeah I've been able to see coilheads and brackens through doors before, but my understanding was that bullets were blocked, I recall Zeekers making it so turrets no longer shoot through them if you're hiding behind one 👀

[tranquil frigate]

i would have to see what turrets do differently than the shotgun

my doors are exactly (basically anyway) the same as the base game doors, so i carry over any base game bugs

@uncut geyser yuh, the turret and shotgun work completely differently. the shotgun ignores the InteractObject layer (how you interact duhh) and the door collider is actually just one InteractObject collider blocking you

If I were to guess, it's so enemies can see though doors to get you, it just has the unfortunate side effect with the shotgun being able to shoot through doors

[uncut geyser]

That makes me wonder if the mod to make the shotgun fire pellets fixes that

[tranquil frigate]

It's difficult to say. The bug is deep enough to be annoying to fix

I will remedy it on my end by not fixing it all, and instead having the door being blast opened

[tranquil frigate]

doors are soon to become a suggestion

for both sides (shovel not yet implemented)

[balmy ibex]

wtf i can jumpscare my crew now

but does the shotgun shoot went past the destroyed door ?

[tranquil frigate]

it works the exact same way as vanilla, so yes

the shotgun just has code now to destroy my doors specifically

[balmy ibex]

cool
if only the knight would stop the funi step sound while breaking doors, but i guess at that point u gonna be far away enough to not hear it
is it just the knight or other mob can do that too ?

[tranquil frigate]

the coil head is the same thing

hell both the coil head and knight can techinically break doors even when they are staying still

[balmy ibex]

ah gotcha

https://tenor.com/view/the-shining-trump-axe-scared-gif-12629278

[little tundra]

can even locked doors break or would that be OP?

[tranquil frigate]

All doors can break. Locked doors instead break 50% slower (though I could adjust this).

[balmy ibex]

a config for that def would be great

[tranquil frigate]

How can I not say the funny c word

Yuh, I know a few mods like using locked doors as the ultimate enemy prank tool. So I'm trying to accomindate that a bit

Ill add the shovel interaction tomorrow, and fix the AC mod integration.

Maybe a day or two the update comes out, depends on the moon's orientation

[little tundra]

I actually like that locked doors can be bypassed with a shovel, gives SDM more mechanical uniqueness

[cloud adder]

to add on to this, every time you break a door. remilia gets more angry

so like a event, it becomes more tough

[nimble delta]

oh- my- fucking- god .... XD .... That is so evil and cool.

[cloud adder]

make this configurable

[tranquil frigate]

all in due time. However, I must make you guys try out the feature (to catch bugs and see if its even fun), before I give you the option to disable it.

[cloud adder]

i also mean how much damage before it breaks and whatnot is what i mean

[tranquil frigate]

Oh I should had worded that better

The multiplier speed that locked doors break would be able to be set to 0, meaning that locked doors don't break open and its becomes the vanilla feature where locked doors are impassible by monsters.

The regular speed for doors to break open in general? I suppose I can expose that too

[cloud adder]

yea, the regular and locked doors settings would be nice to have

[quiet pecan]

The vanilla mansion can spawn loot in the entrance foyer, but I've never seen SDM spawn loot in the entrance foyer (even after numerous tests with insane loot multipliers just to be sure). Changing that could help the loot distribution. I'd also suggest allowing a bit of loot to spawn in the garden when it returns, since vanilla fire exits are sometimes attached directly to loot rooms. With zero chance for loot, the garden, cool as it may be, is just a big huge room of nothing to trudge through, and this makes entering by the fire exit less attractive if you know or suspect an SDM interior.

Incidentally, speaking of the entrance foyer, can the chandelier light be brightened up and made yellowish like other mansion light sources? It's really dim right now (SDM as a whole feels a lot dimmer than other interiors, and not just in terms of light distribution but also, I dunno, the albedo of the surface materials?), and the vanilla standard is for entrances to be very bright so they're recognizable from a distance.

[tranquil frigate]

Valid points that I never considered. I'll add these changes for v1.3.1

[tranquil frigate]

But ya this, and loading issue reasons, is why I removed the garden tile. It was added back when I just adding tiles to construct the feel of the dungeon.

Oh and thanks for the write up, two heads better than one

[quiet pecan]

I really liked the look of the garden tile, though I'm still not sure how the interior copes with moons like March that have multiple fire exits. I did test a few times and got a few of those "entrance blocked" messages, but that could have been mod incompatibilities, and I didn't test it extensively. The garden was removed before I had much of a chance to play with it.

[tranquil frigate]

Oh that's cause the garden's existence forced a single exit door. I was never planning to extend my dungeon past the snow maps until it happened. So I reverted back to normal fire exits (though I need better visuals for the exits)

I may consider the original garden tile as an alternative entrance tile, but I'll consider it later

[quiet pecan]

Fair enough. And you may choose to stick with that decision and that's fine. A mansion doesn't belong on March anyway, in my opinion (it's the only vanilla moon with a 0% mansion chance). However, keep in mind that multiple fire exits is exceedingly common for modded moons. I have several of them and I don't think a single one of them has only one fire exit. And I love putting SDM on some of them...

[tranquil frigate]

Yuh custom moons love multiple fire exits. It's also the reason I just had to have normal fire exits

Better in the long run

[quiet pecan]

Making the garden a possible room for one fire exit could solve that problem and also ward away the dungeon generation stall if it has trouble placing the garden: then it can just not place it.

[tranquil frigate]

I believe it's better to rework the garden tile when i re-add it. I gave it multiple doorways back when I was crazy with the multiple branching paths

I had to cut down on it to keep the dungeon' size down

So if it's gonna have multiple doorways, well aint that just the entrance tiles?

Or make the garden tiles much smaller and act as an alternative looking hallway path

[quiet pecan]

Another thing to consider if the regular fire exits stick around is their appearance. Being a pitch-black rectangle in the darkest interior leads to me often losing track of a fire exit within 15 seconds of entering by one. Then I stumble around trying to find it again. I don't think it would be too jarring to just use the vanilla red exits with the red lights above them. The vanilla mansion does it and it's fine. It would also make SDM compatible with mimics (unless it somehow is already and they just appear black?).

[tranquil frigate]

Ya that's my point earlier with the fire exit textures/visuals being bad

I still don't want to resort to copying the og fire exits just yet. But I can add a feature where the mimics mod can copy the og fire exits just for that mod compatibility

[quiet pecan]

Like a config setting to use the OG fire exits in SDM, so that Mimics are indistinguishable? That'd be cool.

[tranquil frigate]

It'll be 1.3.2 feature, or really any version past that one

[tranquil frigate]

Shovel added, AC integration works. I was too worried by apologies AC bois.

I gotta test out the netcode before I release the patch

[cinder kettle]

maybe add a lil force to the debris

[tranquil frigate]

it does! but i think its getting stuck on each other so the forces cancel out

im missing some advanced TRS math to get it right, if that sounds like nonsense because it is nonsense to me too

[thorn heron]

Hey, I dont know if this is normal or not but im getting funky errors in my console and I just wanna make sure things are alright

Here's my entire log

[brave pendant]

AC? Use 1.2.10 until LadyRaphtalia readds AC compatiblity code (i heard that's coming in 1.3.0 iirc)

[thorn heron]

thanks

[tranquil frigate]

I'm looking to get the update out tonight (my tonight in 8 hours or so), which will have the AC compatibility code

[glass walrus]

Any way you could make the upgraded flashlights work with reserved flashlight slot? The laser pointer works in the slot so I don't know if it's as simple as a tag or something on the item

[tranquil frigate]

I wanted to too, but I immediately threw up my hands when I saw the code.

Not that the code was bad

But there was a lot of moving parts and I didn't want to deal with it

I think the dev is here? So I'll try giving them an ask for an ez solution

[glass walrus]

That's disappointing, it's not as easy as internally marking your flashlight as a flashlight?

[glass walrus]

It's by FlipMods, but I couldn't find anything here

[tranquil frigate]

Ahh they may been the peeps with the separate discord

[glass walrus]

thats a rip

[tranquil frigate]

I'll try giving them an ask later but that mod compatibility isn't a priority sorry to say

[glass walrus]

I figured as much, was hoping it wasn't a complicated thing to implement

[tranquil frigate]

v1.3.0 update is out. Features destructible doors and AC compatibility

[tranquil frigate]

Next few updates will be dungeon fixing/tuning and mod compatibility fixes

Then mostly new tiles from there

[vapid yoke]

Actually would make for a good detail if the vanilla mansion doors were destructible, considering they appear to be wood-like and all that . < .

[tranquil frigate]

Oh do you mean like my mod should add that feature or you just saying that as a wishful thought?

[vapid yoke]

Just saying it as a sort of wishful thought for some other mod

[tranquil frigate]

I get chu

Anything to blast open the locked doors that prank me hard

[wide elm]

seamless dungeon looks to offer some amazing features in this vein

maybe talk to him since he's handling door stuff already

another cool one is for the bracken to have a new phase 0 where he camps the doors and follows the players in to pick them off.
and yeah it'd make more sense if the monsters broke doors down instead of opening them except for the masked

spiders shouldn't be able to open doors period they just have nubs and they dont have the shape to rotate a fixed object lol

[frozen nacelle]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
ScarletMansion.GamePatch.DoorLockPatch.OnTriggerStayPatch (DoorLock& __instance, UnityEngine.Collider other) (at C:/Users/Jose Garcia/Desktop/LethalCompany Modding/ScarletMansion/ScarletMansion/GamePatch/DoorLockPatch.cs:27)
(wrapper dynamic-method) DoorLock.DMDDoorLock::OnTriggerStay(DoorLock,UnityEngine.Collider)

[tranquil frigate]

Well thats not a fun one

let me see real quick

[frozen nacelle]

thanks

[tranquil frigate]

WHOOPS

[balmy ibex]

what kinda stuff u put on the door

😂

[frozen nacelle]

i have a 70mb logoutput. 99% come from this

[tranquil frigate]

not their fault

i made a bad oopsie

hotfix be out in a fat second

pushed the hotfix, my apologies @frozen nacelle

[frozen nacelle]

I'm glad you brought a fun dungeon. Thank you for repairing it in a timely manner

👏

[tranquil frigate]

🫡

[tranquil frigate]

While I have these last 9 days before the updates become unpredictable, besides the changes (loot, increasing the brightness a bit) I'll be making today, what are some things yall would like prioritized

[tranquil frigate]

Btw, the flashlight modders were in this discord (I'm blind). They said that they will give me ez integration code when they get the time.

[glass walrus]

I'm hyped, I'm glad it should be easy

[quiet pecan]

I'd like the config option to use the vanilla red fire exits with the red lights. Both to make it easier to find them and also to make it compatible with the Mimics mod. I have no idea how involved that'd be, but I'm hoping it's straightforward.

[tranquil frigate]

Should be ez

[silver hare]

A few suggestions of things to add:

• I think someone might've mentioned it before, but the option to disable coilheads and just have the knights (to keep the theming) would be good, unless you plan to make that a permanent thing.
• The ability to customize the door breaking – enable/disable and if it can be done with shovels. Shovels might be seen as an overly easy way to get through locked doors. It’d also be good to make clear what enemies can break doors (and possibly make that customizable) as well.
• The ability to customize what enemies can spawn when you take one of the demonic paintings and the spawn chances. As funny as the possibility of an angered jester spawning is, I think it’s a bit too evil. If it can somehow be made compatible with FacilityMeltdown that’d be convenient, but if not I understand.
• The ability to customize the spawn chance of the decoration crystals. It’s possible people with mods that add new types of scrap (like myself) may need to increase the weight of them appearing to reliably find them. I’m pretty sure this is the case since, as far as I can remember, my group has only been able to find them once out of our handful of playthroughs.

[quiet pecan]

Those are all good suggestions. I'm all for more config options. Even though I personally would prefer to leave shovel bashing doors enabled. Mansions (including SDM) spawn more doorframes that seem to be more likely to contain doors, which means more chance of locked doors. By contrast, most facility interiors are like 60% tunnel maze by volume, which means 60% less chance of locked doors. This is why the key spawns on facility feel fair, but key spawns in mansions always seem far too stingy. I feel like being able to break down the doors is a fair tradeoff, and I wish there was a mod that added it to vanilla mansions.

I haven't seen an already angry jester, though an already-cranking jester would be straightforward. I wonder which one it can actually spawn? My rule for grabbing a painting is the same as my rule for grabbing an apparatus: "have I memorized the shortest path to an exit?" If the answer is yes, then a cranking jester won't catch me. If the answer is no, then I'm not grabbing it anyway. An angry jester from painting is likely instadeath for the same reason I feel a thumper from painting is kinda unfair unless you have a shovel: the shadowy door barriers stick around too long. I've had enough time for the thumper to charge at me three times and the doors were still blocked, leading to my death. In a small space, it becomes impossible to maintain the cadence of dodging a thumper with no room for it to accelerate.

[tranquil frigate]

All good suggestions, and easy to add configs for. FacilityMeltdown integration may or may not be easy, I'll have to ask the dev and see what they say. Worst case they give me a function to call from which is still easy

[tranquil frigate]

The barriers open exactly when the enemy spawns, and they spawn facing you to forcefully start a chase. If I made the barriers open faster, the spawned enemies would never be able to start a chase.

If the doors didn't open when the thumper spawned, then that's a horrid bug. Please let me know when it happens again

[quiet pecan]

I figured that's what they're supposed to do, but I can guarantee I died inside a barrier-locked room. Maybe a mod incompatibility?

[tranquil frigate]

That's my guess, I even added like 30 fail safes so the gates always reopen

I assume the bug was recent? If so link me your mod list so I can find out why

I intended the bedroom to start trouble for you, not for it to kill you straightup lol

[quiet pecan]

I haven't managed to play with my group recently, so it happened on SDM 1.2.8. For all I know it's already fixed. And I do think it only happened the one time. I was confused because I thought I remembered it opening instantly on a preceding run.

[tranquil frigate]

Ohh maybe it's an old bug then, I did have a patch to fix it

If it happens again though, i need you to yell at me and to get the mods to yell at me

And also post the logs

[quiet pecan]

Incidentally, is there a reason why you condensed the changelog? I remember there being specific version notes for each version, including one version that removed AC compatibility (I don't remember which version it was, and the changelog no longer says).

[silver hare]

Just realized it doesn't exactly make sense for one of the paintings to cause a meltdown since they're not like an apparatus whatsoever lmao, but I suppose you can just use your imagination. Maybe you could have some unique event/voiceline for it, though that may work better as a separate mod.

[tranquil frigate]

Oh it's just to shrink the changelog to the important, relevant bits between major versions. You make a lot of small tweaks between the small updates that can just condensed into one single line

[nimble delta]

Your weight has went from 10 to 25. Hopefuly I spot it a bit more on random moons :3

[tranquil frigate]

It will most likely be calling the meltdown after the walls come down. It doesn't need a lore reason as it's just for the bros who want it

[tranquil frigate]

Why not 99999 😠

Mods

[nimble delta]

CUZ

[tranquil frigate]

Destroy this dude

[nimble delta]

your place is scary -3-

n also I want it to be rare

[tranquil frigate]

And now your discord about to scary

Mods

Do it now

[nimble delta]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[tranquil frigate]

None of them are listening, you live for now

[nimble delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dancing-kitten-60fps-boogie-cat-gif-24303276

[tranquil frigate]

Don't mind me, writing a list of what I'll be doing in a public place so I can be accountable:
Another adjustment of the scrap spawn, primarily so scrap spawns near the entrance
Knight/Coil-head config
Deco-crystal config
Breakable door config (shovel, shotgun, enemy dmg multiplier for locked doors)
Fix pivot of breakable door pieces
Bedroom event enemy config
Fire exits config
Brighten up lights a bit (especially mayor)
Better lighting actually (with a pro nearby)
Fix door map radar size
Painting price config
Add shoulder flashlight spot
Fix lighting with the two 24x24 library tiles
Fix weird ass FlashlightDim bug
Whatever the heck happened to JDS bug
Fix LethalResance bug
Wall placeable paintings
Grabblable portraits

Mod combability:
ReserveYourFlashlight (I wonder if I could hack a fix)
FacilityMeltdown

<@&1173795317469159444> pin dis plz i would love you

[tranquil frigate]

based

[quasi crest]

fuck kittenji beat me

[glass walrus]

The mod was called ReservedFlashlightSlot not ReserveYourFlashlight, unless you're talking about another mod😅

[tranquil frigate]

Uhh same thing basically

You know what I mean :^)

[cerulean ether]

Yw

[glass walrus]

I was just saying it more for your sake later😅

When reading it as a pin

[little tundra]

I just searched for ReserveYourFlashlight on thunderstore yep

[tranquil frigate]

Pushed the update with some of the configs that were asked for. Also item (and turret) spawns for the mayor room

[nimble delta]

is there new config stuff

[tranquil frigate]

see the list above for the things I added. Ima work down that list while adding a few more polished rooms (next the library)

[silver hare]

Pretty much everything seems to be working okay with the latest update, however when our group tested the new flashlight once again it does work now but still doesn't go into the reserved slot. So yeah, thankfully it doesn't seem to break anything now, though it still isn't 100% compatible. There were 3 of us this time rather than 5 so I don't think it'd be a similar error to last time. Here's the code: 018e1659-b300-2536-aef3-5a7bf35dd2f3 I'll also take this opportunity to say inverse teleporting in and not having a clue how to find the way out is an absolute nightmare and has resulted in us all getting lost and dying more than once, not sure if there'd be some way to build in a way for experienced players to find their way back to main like regular mansion has (hints/things to look for, for example how doors opening outward typically means main is that way) because that'd be a real lifesaver.

[tranquil frigate]

First issue with the flashlights, that's expected. I'm waiting on code from ReserveFlashlight so I easily add the compatibility on my end.

Second issue, skill issue

But for real, I'm down to create hints, just still lost on how to exactly without it being extremely obvious

I was going to make the floor textures be based on the floor of the dungeon, so you can somewhat know if you need to go up or down

I wanted cabinets and dressers to open as it's a clear marker for what you walked past, but then I would have to put loot in there and that sounds really annoying for the player to open every single one

I may turn the table portraits into items so players can grab it and leave it as markers, and bring it to the ship (they have no value though)

And I'll be adding a few new fun props everywhere, to which I can give them subtle hints for map navigation as well

Oh and the door opening inwards/outwards pointing towards the entrance may already be a thing. Which is the world's biggest hint

[quiet pecan]

I just now tested and the doors DO seem to consistently open toward the main entrance just like vanilla mansions. Which is good. Though I can't exclude the possibility of some edge case I didn't see.

[tranquil frigate]

This will only work for the doors of a room's doorway. There are a few doors that are inside the room that won't follow the above

But I think overtime you will get an idea on what those doors are, and to ignore them

[quiet pecan]

If you mean there are tiles that are subdivided into smaller rooms, then perhaps it would be possible to make those internal doors point toward the main entrance as well, when the tile is placed. That said, tiles that consist of numerous rooms is another contributor to the tendency for modded interiors to be larger than vanilla. For example, I think SCP Dungeon Interior thinks it's generating a vanilla sized facility (in terms of how many tiles it places), but its tiles are typically like twice the size of vanilla tiles, and, well...

Anyway, the changelog says the brightness patch has already happened, but I think it's still quite dim.

Vanilla on left, SDM on right. The big issue seems to be that the darkness itself seems to more aggressively eat into the light. Notice how in vanilla the light reaches far and fades out gracefully, but in SDM it barely reaches at all before suddenly stopping at a hard edge to pitch blackness. This connects to another thing that I had trouble capturing with screenshots, which is that the vanilla mansion is navigable without a flashlight just from the default player radius light, but SDM kinda isn't, because it feels like the default player radius light doesn't reach as far or illuminate as much. It's hard to judge the color of a monochrome interior in the dark, but while I intuitively imagine it to be white or light gray, I can't help but think it's actually a very dark gray?

It's also possible there's a postprocess filter situation I'm unaware of. For example, even the parts of the vanilla screenshot that are nominally pitch black like parts of the bookcases are still a much brighter shade of gray than the pitch black in the SDM screenshots. Likewise, I find that monsters and scrap are less well illuminated in Scarlet Devil Mansion.

As I sent the message about a postprocess filter, and I began to think about what else this situation resembles, I suddenly thought I might have made a very silly mistake. What this resembles is how some modded moons have postprocess effects like the bloom on Maritopia and EchoReach which accidentally also make their interiors brighter. So what if it's the moons? Well I'm only using vanilla moons for this testing. I've been forcing SDM on Assurance so it's fast to test, and I was testing the vanilla mansion on Dine because I can get to its entrance very quickly. Having them on different moons lets me visit both in the same session without restarting. But what if Dine and Assurance have different interior brightnesses somehow? Well I just forced SDM on Dine and the screenshot is identical, so much so that it's almost pointless to post it. So it's not the moons.

It just occurred to me that I was wearing a headlamp in the vanilla mansion screenshots. It wasn't actually turned on, but I guess that's hard to tell from the screenshots, so it's still suspicious. Here's a fresh screenshot of the vanilla mansion on Dine with no light source in my inventory.

[tranquil frigate]

I'm a complete dumbass when it comes to lighting so like a monkey on a typewriter, I've been throwing my shit at the typewriter in hopes that the lighting will look right.

I can spend another day with lighting, probably with someone who understands it, and see if I can get something better

[silver hare]

Maybe it'd be possible to mark the hallways that lead to main in some way, like a slight change in the flooring, furniture, or lighting fixtures? Maybe some people would think that's too obvious, but I suppose the subtlety could always be adjusted.

[amber osprey]

I think fire exit and main should be visible on monitor

[tranquil frigate]

They are, they just pitifully small. I'll make them bigger

[opal wigeon]

in fairness lighting is hard as hell and dungeons are probably the worst for iteration workflow time

[nimble delta]

I don't know what to make of this specifically. Is this a conflict, does the snare flea turn into a knight when the dungeon is generated, or is it neither of this? . ,.

[tranquil frigate]

its neither of that

my knight has special loading rules since its not tied onto any moon, it only spawns when my dungeon loads

dont know what would happen if you do whatever you doing

[nimble delta]

I is usin' LethalQuantities to control enemy power levels, modify moons, etc

I just assumed Knight would be its own thing

but does knight's loading latch onto centipede somehow?

or is it somewhat attached to something - so thus I shouldn't fear for how this is called Knight(Centipede) o -o

[tranquil frigate]

I have no idea why it latched onto the centipede, they are not related at all

[nimble delta]

should I then take this to the quantities dev to see if something is being picked up incorrectly . ,.?

[tranquil frigate]

You can try. You should also mention that while I do load in the Enemy using LethalLib, it's not tied to any moon and it's directly injected into the moon's enemy list when my dungeon loads.

Also this bit of code one sec

[nimble delta]

I should also show this here I guess

One has in parenthesis (Centipede), and one has (Knight).

their IDs when moused over are correct

so I'mma 99% assume nothing wrong will happen

but I'm wondering why Knight latches itself onto Centipede name of sorts o -o

[tranquil frigate]

Don't know, maybe you have a mod that names their Centipede a knight or something?

Or it copies the Centipede enemy file, and it only changes the display name to Knight?

[nimble delta]

the only mod that ... touches Centipedes would either be Mirage doing the mimicking of voices, or Diversity and their change in centipede head-removal o- o

and I suppose the AI mods such as pathfindlagfix and starlancer AI

[frozen nacelle]

[Warning:ImoutoSama.ScarletMansion] Player 3 already has Scarlet player script. Skipping
How did this happen

[nimble delta]

but I don't think those would cause some sort of name conflict

[tranquil frigate]

I'll look at in depth in a bit, but you can ignore that issue

[frozen nacelle]

OK

[tranquil frigate]

            var type = ScriptableObject.Instantiate(springItem.enemyType);
            type.name = "Knight";
            type.enemyPrefab = knight.enemy;
            type.enemyName = "Knight";

            knight.enemyType = type;
            knight.enemy.GetComponentInChildren<KnightVariant>().enemyType = type;
            Enemies.RegisterEnemy(type, 0, Levels.LevelTypes.None, knight.terminalNode, knight.terminalKeyword);

you can share that code to the LethalQuantity devs if they ask

[nimble delta]

I has already given them a message link to in here to read from where I showed ye this o ,o

[tranquil frigate]

But I think it's a case of some mod copies the Centipede for their own new enemy and they call in Knight internally or externally

[nimble delta]

I wonder if I could notice it in the console

[tranquil frigate]

ya i looked, it's fine. I will put in a message that says that you should ignore it

[nimble delta]

That one is awful- lemmie find the better log...

can't see anything in terms of what'd cause some sort of name mixup here.. I'll see if I can force more info out of the mods

[tranquil frigate]

The issue seems more with LethalQualities so I recommend bringing it up more with them

Well I wouldn't call it in an issue, but you know what I mean

[nimble delta]

Yeh, ID's are fine

which ID in this case is the only thing that matters in terms of enemy spawning/handling in the grand scheme of things, right?

all things that mess with enemies will be looking for ID

just an odd bug I've noticed is all o -o

[tranquil frigate]

actually the opposite, the enemy id I believe is only used for enemy scanning

the real enemy id that's used for enemy spawning is based on the moons

[nimble delta]

well that doesn't make me feel good -w-'

I'll... ... save myself the hassle and first force this "Knight(Centipede)" to be guaranteed on all moons to see if it spawns centipede or not

before I try to dabble in the rest of all the data

[golden talon]

the name is a little weird, i have to use the scan node instead of the enemyName or type name, since it's the only one which follows the in-game name for the vanilla enemies. i have no clue what's up with the centipede knight scan node though

[hard mirage]

@tranquil frigate do you have a convenient list of values for each preset? Just asking just in case you happen to have it (I know I can just compare them through LethalConfig however. Just curious if there is a convenient list is all)

[tranquil frigate]

I do not. I only have the values that change based off of the default values.

And it's in code form

[hard mirage]

Ah I see that's fine then! I'll do manual tracking through LethalConfig

[tranquil frigate]

no wait what am i doing

give me 5 mins

ignore all that, i can make something easy to read

@hard mirage ~~https://pastebin.com/QjYawaby~~ <- Ignore this
https://pastebin.com/Qr4kzpx6 <- use this, its cleaner

It looks like some bad code still exists, but should be more than enough to get an idea

@rigid wasp How knowledgeable are you with lighting? I seem to know what you are doing as opposed to me where I don't.

Scarlet Devil Mansion v1.3（紅魔館）

[rigid wasp]

whats the problem?

[tranquil frigate]

I believe/know that my dungeon is aggresively dark. One of my players described it as the darkness is actively trying to eat the light. https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Alice/ScarletDevilMansion/
If you go the Dungeon Layout section and look at the dungeon screenshots, you can see screenshots of the dungeon currently and see what I mean.

My question is mostly, is there something that strikes you immediately to why my dungeon is so dark

[rigid wasp]

I think the Facility dungeon has see-through exterior walls. That could be causing the darkness. I dont know if that would work, but maybe the indirect light can't reach your dungeon

I dont know if that is causing the problem though

[tranquil frigate]

I'm not entirely sure it's the see-through exterior walls. Other custom dungeons don't have the same issue as me. And I've seen them same regular exterior walls (as far as I know)

But I would understand the indirect light part. I do remember there was a time where I had it before I placed a ceiling onto of my room tiles

[rigid wasp]

I now from the spacestation map. I would see the facility underneath and it did not have a double sided roof. and its fully lit up if you go inside

[tranquil frigate]

Oh if that's what you mean, my roof is only one-sided. I copied it from what facility was doing

[rigid wasp]

oh ok than that is probably not the problem

[tranquil frigate]

I would need to check in game again to know if I set up the renderer/layers correctly for the roof tile. But that's it.

This one is what I think is the issue if only because I don't understand it really.

[rigid wasp]

That is the only thing I could think of that could be causing this

[tranquil frigate]

I set all my materials to something like 0.2 metal, 0.2 smooth

I don't see why that would cause issues, but I'm asking to know if that would make a difference

[rigid wasp]

i dont think it would. I mean you can try if setting it to 1 changes things

[tranquil frigate]

fosho

[rigid wasp]

And you can try if removing the roof entirely would fix it. like for one build remove the roof of the main entrance

[tranquil frigate]

yuhyuh

oh while I have you here, I must ask real quick

[rigid wasp]

ask away

[tranquil frigate]

this is how I do the lighting for rooms, area rectangle. but I do get this light bleeding effect. I have noticed that this happens with the base game too, but I ask if this is normal/removable.

[rigid wasp]

Have you messed with the shadow settings. maybe Light Leak Bias changes it or Near Plane

Or try lowering the Fade Distance

[tranquil frigate]

I have no yet, but I somehow disabled the shadows to appear on my scene view.

I need to fix that first, one sec

[tranquil frigate]

I uhh, think I figured it out
@rigid wasp

the area light's rectange sizex/y is not at all what I thought it meant

[rigid wasp]

oh ok they dont bleed through the wall anymore?

[tranquil frigate]

ya, it looks like I was making a light source as big as the whole room

instead of, well, a simple light bulb

[tranquil frigate]

may have fixed the lighting, that's step 1 I think

[rigid wasp]

nice

[opal wigeon]

wait area lights

aren't those baked

exclusive

or does hdrp change that

[solid beacon]

Im exited for the light changes, theyll have a big gameplay and visual impact

I recently noticed how important the bright small spotlights in the vanilla interiors are for the presentation and for how you memorize the layout.

If there was a mapevent that changes the position of the spotlights in the facilities maze I would become totally lost since they act as waypoints. Pulling the apparatus already kindof does this

[solid beacon]

I like the winding jester, but I think it should only punish the player taking the painting. after it kills one player or after the painting is extracted it should dissapear. The monster could have a ghostly opaque texture to indicate that change.

Im fine with the thumper, or maybe even a braken (requires testing? )

Id be fine with a girl spawning but the room might be too small and idk how the ghost girls AI would handle that. And I assume eventually youll want to reskin the ghost girl to flandre

[quiet pecan]

Glad to see the lighting situation might be improving. I'm not using many modded interiors, but I'd like to clarify that Scarlet Devil Mansion is not the only interior that has this problem or some variation of it. Scoopy's castle dungeon is also extremely dark, though I only just realized that (I hadn't been using it because it generates very oversized interiors and Scoopy is MIA, but right now I'm trying to just use the max size override and limit it to specific moons). There might be other interiors with lighting problems, but I'm not using them. There's a few reasons why practically all of my activity here is in this one thread for SDM, and the primary one is because SDM is my favorite interior.

Upon further testing, I found that the vanilla Facility has the same crushing devouring darkness that SDM does, but it has brighter more reflective wall materials (I guess?), so the player (or a light source) can get further away from them before they totally black out. More importantly, I found that in vanilla Facility, vanilla Mansion, and SCP Dungeon Interior, the black level (the color value of the darkest pixels onscreen) increases when you're near a light source. With some experimentation, this feels like some kind of extended lens flare effect that happens even if the light source is behind you. The lights in SDM do it too, but I think they're just not bright enough for the effect to be substantial. For example, I can get the lens flare to manifest in the SDM foyer by jumping off the mezzanine toward the chandelier. The lens flare becomes noticeable around the peak of the jump. So really the light source just isn't bright enough. There might also be settings that control how far the light "reaches" independent of its "brightness" (depending on the realism of the lighting system being used), but that chandelier light just isn't very bright anyway.

One thing that's worth considering is how shadows work in the vanilla mansion. The vanilla game culls shadows very aggressively for performance, which is why when you first enter a vanilla mansion, the far wall behind the staircase is bright, but then as you move forward it suddenly darkens (with a fade) as the shadows cast from the further chandelier load in. Regarding the earlier mentioned light bleed phenomenon, I expect that distant light sources will bleed through walls because they're too far from the camera for the wall's shadow to render, and there's not much that can be done about that aside from using CullFactory to have fewer unseen lights rendering at all.

In this screenshot, the railing casts two overlapping shadows from the two chandelier light sources.

In this screenshot, I'm slightly further away, so the far chandelier stops creating shadows.

The bookcases, pillars, and staircase in the vanilla Mansion interior cast shadows away from the chandeliers, with the area under the staircase being notably quite dark. By contrast, the chandelier in SDM produces no visible shadows. It does create a kind of ambient glow on the upper parts tough.

Here's a screenshot showing flat lighting on the middle landing and upper mezzanine, as well as no real shadows being cast by the railing (perhaps because the light source is a big rectangular box instead of a point?):

Here's a screenshot showing the light not reaching the entrance door, though some light hits the middle of the ground floor and the upper wall above the entrance door:

Here's a screenshot showing the pillar not casting a shadow from the chandelier (but it does kinda seem to be casting a mis-sized shadow from the candle on the table...):

Here's a screenshot of another pillar with no candle nearby (though it has the same little light seam suggestive of a shadow so it wasn't the candle causing that on the other pillar):

I just noticed the seam in the lighting isn't noticeable in that scaled down jpeg. Here's a high-quality close-up:

Notably in the pillar screenshots, the only light source (aside from the candle) is the player proximity light. It's pitch black around those pillars otherwise, which explains the lack of shadow: the chandelier light simply isn't reaching that area. I'm not sure what the seam in the lighting is, but it's presumably not actually a shadow because the only light is coming from the player.

I do think the surface material properties are also playing a role, so even when you have a light source, the interior reflects it differently. Here's a screenshot of a random catwalk tile lit by a pro flashlight in vanilla Facility:

And here's a screenshot of a random hallway in SDM lit by a pro flashlight (I looked around but couldn't find a straight shot with a door at the end):

Aside from the darkness in SDM being more closed in, even the parts that are lit are washed out. In particular, the reflected lighting is so dim that the lit areas are actually dominated by the overlaid flashlight cone effect, to a distracting degree. I remember watching one video (but I can't find it now, and I tried) where someone was using a flashlight in Scarlet Devil Mansion and they said "it's almost worse with the flashlight on".

[amber osprey]

I used to feel that way in the garden tile. The flashlight made it harder to see in that tile especially.

[silver hare]

I have to agree, though I figured the overwhelming darkness was just a theming choice. If it can be changed so things aren't so pitch-black though, that'd be awesome. I did see that lighting changes are in the works, so I look forward to the changes.

[tranquil frigate]

I'll respond to you 3 in an hour or so

But basically yes, I agree, lighting not good

[tranquil frigate]

Appreciate the entire write up. You know I always considered the blinding flashlight light of the hallways to be a "feature" but seeing it next to vanilla, ya I should probably cut back on that.

But the lights you see in the room and mayor currently, those are gone. So no longer an issue

[tranquil frigate]

I do agree that the jester should probably only kill its target, but it's not on my priority list unfortunately. I do wonder if I can create a ghostly texture of the enemies spawned by my painting event but again not a priority. Cool idea though never thought of it.

I have a different plan for Flandre (not with that little girl mod but with my own flandre model) but I definitely am not gonna make it to implementing her this month. Maybe next month but this mod's development is very unknown next month

[tranquil frigate]

The garden was because I gave it a thick fog to hide the fact that the garden tile had nothing of real interest lol. One of the many reasons to why I have to rework it

[quiet pecan]

I'm glad. I hoped the screenshots would be helpful. The vanilla Facility's walls are reflecting more than twice as intensely (average RGB value of 180 in the middle of the cone at least on the higlights, because they're also shinier) than SDM's walls (average RGB value of 80 in the middle of the cone). In fact, even the dark bands between the highlights in the Facility screenshot are brighter than the brightest parts of the SDM screenshot. Hopefully seeing the stark difference will demonstrate the need for a big change, not just a tiny tweak.

[lost arrow]

@tranquil frigate Gotta say, I can't provide the same feedback as other people but damn, the optimization was noticeable

Game loaded faster, ran faster, before if SDM loaded I could tell, now it's just another interior in terms of load time

[tranquil frigate]

Thx. Any feedback is fine, small or large. Doesn't have to be in depth, it can just be game feel (X sucks fat d for example. Y is not as fun as you imagined Mr. Dev plz fix for example)

[lost arrow]

Also, how long have ScarletDevilMansion doors been breakable?

Cuz that's really cool

[tranquil frigate]

3 days ago?

[lost arrow]

Definitely a cool new feature, I use DoorBreach but seeing it be a custom thing on an interior is awesome (if it's not already, some configurability for how many hits would be cool though).

[tranquil frigate]

I've been asked about configuration about the doors. It will come relatively(tm) soon

I will try definitely try to add it before my 2 week break

[glass walrus]

Any chance on the flashlight slot fix before your break?

[tranquil frigate]

I will add it as soon as the Reserved modder gets the code in

Even if it releases during my break, I'll try to get it in real quick

[glass walrus]

Awesome! Can't wait 😄

[deep jacinth]

why should it be fixed? Its not that crazy to imagine a litteral shotgun going trough a door.

[glass walrus]

The nutcracker still shouldn't be able to see you through the closed door. But I like the idea of shotguns blasting the door to pieces in one shot

[deep jacinth]

true

[torpid helm]

Could we get an option to change the power level of Knights in the config?

[tranquil frigate]

If there a particular reason you'd want to? There are effectively coil-head reskins

I'm not sure how mods that modify the coil-heads' stats would work with my knight, so the knight's may not receive those changes, but I can adjust my mod to allow those mods

[torpid helm]

I guess I can use LethalQuantities for that

[silver hare]

Just found this that was posted a few hours ago, you could have something similar, just a minor design change for either side of the doorframe. It'd be subtle and experienced/observant players would be able to pick up on the meaning. https://youtu.be/oW0tkMYPUzc

[nimble delta]

Holy god damn shit- that is knowledge

Didn't even pick up on the door aspect, let alone the frame

w o w

[tranquil frigate]

I heard it already exists. Its a base game feature due to how the dungeon generation works

[timid surge]

I'm kinda guessing that that'll get patched at some point by randomizing the doors' direction

at least I personally would patch it if I was zeekers, maybe they would feel differently

it's part of the game at the moment so I see no problem exploiting it but it's very metagamey

[tranquil frigate]

its quite a relatively easy thing to "fix"

but until zeekers changes it, i aint do nuthin

Finished the update with the new approach to lighting.

I'm not the happiest with it, but if I keep staring at the same pixels of varying brightness levels I'm going to go crazy.

I'll do another run of improvements next patch

Also new library room variants (RIP 2nd floor library for just this patch)

[little tundra]

the doors don't seem to work like that on SDM, and door frames are symmetrical. so can't really use it here at least from my short test

[tranquil frigate]

The door frames are symmetrical but the way that doors open/close, are they consistent with the direction to the entrance?

[little tundra]

the direction wasn't consistent. unless they somehow completely looped around and back to main but I'm not sure if that's possible

also I didn't have noclip so I couldn't explore past locked doors

but I already can tell that following the door's direction would only help me find main 50% of the time 😄

[tranquil frigate]

50% sound like it a coin flip, so it don't work

[lone pagoda]

hi, i have adjusted the weight of this map on some moons to 0, but i checked the % it still able to spawn on those moons, is this a bug?

this is the weight of Asteroid-13

[tranquil frigate]

The most recent dungeonn name is Scarlet Devil Mansion, which is not found in the picture you showed me, which does seem correct

[lone pagoda]

it is not haunted mansion?

[tranquil frigate]

I have never called my dungeon "Haunted Mansion" so it is not that. I'm pretty sure that's the vanilla mansion dungeon actually

[lone pagoda]

understand, thank you so much

[tranquil frigate]

New update. Polished the lighting a bit more. It's getting closer to how I would like it.

Also I added FacilityMeltdown compatibility. Enjoy. I added a config to disable the enemy spawn from the painting event if you think both the enemy and meltdown is too much together.

Also lights go red

[quiet pecan]

I don't want to be a constant bother, but...

This is a fresh profile with no other mods and default config (aside from adding forced spawn on Assurance, Rend, and Dine, so I could look at it quickly). Two chandeliers now instead of one, and they seem to shine brightly on the pillars that are right next to them, but the rest of the room is actually less well lit than before. Notice even the landing (the raised flat part where the stairs change direction) is pitch black now. I think these light sources really just need to be cranked up dramatically, like 10x brightness or something.

[quiet pecan]

It's a far cry from the vanilla Mansion as depicted in the screenshots I sent previously.

[median hazel]

so wait does the apparatus spawn in the scarlet mansion now or am i missing somn

[balmy ibex]

i think its the apparatus equivalent

[tranquil frigate]

the apparatus equiv (the painting) has an option to use the FacilityMeltdown if that's your thing

[median hazel]

Oh boy cant wait to not tell anyone about this :)

[tranquil frigate]

Im looking for a balance between bright enough for the map to navigate-able and dark enough to fit the theme. You're gonna have to bear with me as I slowly adjust the values (The changes have become stable enough that I should be able to finally adjust these in-game now and see what the actual effects are). If I were to increase the values by 10x, it will actually become stupidly bright which is not what I'm looking for.

That being said, the map will never be as bright as the vanilla mansion. But I am trying to meet halfway there

[quiet pecan]

Fair enough.

[thorn heron]

@tranquil frigate quick question, how does the meltdown compat works with multiple paintings

lets say I have 3 paintings in the map, if I grab one does the meltdown happen, or do I grab all 3 and it triggers

[tranquil frigate]

The first one

[silver hare]

Sounds good, I do have to ask though, is there some function built into it where it temporarily traps you in the room you take the painting from, and if so can we get some way to disable that? I wasn't there to witness it myself, but someone else in my group reported something like that happening, so I figured I'd check. (I'm suspecting he was just making excuses lol) This was prior to this update and entirely possible something just spawned and blocked the way

[hard mirage]

So by just taking any of the cursed paintings trigger the meltdown sequence if you have it activated?

[silver hare]

And looking at the config for the new FacilityMeltdown stuff, it looks like there's just SpawnEnemy (for your mod) and then Activate Facility Meltdown (for when the painting is pulled)... so when I have the meltdown activated, is that spawning enemies as well, and I should therefore have the previous option disabled? Also, will enabling that option automatically make FacilityMeltdown take over the "apparatus" (painting) value?

[tranquil frigate]

I can add it as it's mostly a simple code change

[tranquil frigate]

The ActivateFacilityMeltdown toggle just calls the sequence and nothing else. It does not edit the painting price.

Both enemy spawns and facility meltdown can be called at the same time, but if you have a preference you can edit it

[fluid pike]

loaforcssoundapi breaks after the update with facilitymeltdown installed

[tranquil frigate]

Hmm?

[tranquil frigate]

What chu mean? You have an error log?

[fluid pike]

the sounds replaced with it don't play

[tranquil frigate]

I don't know what you mean. I only call the function provided by FacilityMeltdown. I did nothing special.

[fluid pike]

well, when i roll back to the previous update, all lethal resonance sounds work again, but on the latest version the sounds it replaced wouldnt even play

[tranquil frigate]

I do nothing special with sound so I'm equally confused. I can check again when I'm on computer to see if I can find a correlation

[daring dock]

soundapi is a precarious beast (i mean all sound replacements are) so good luck!

[tranquil frigate]

By chance do you know if soundapi will replace all sounds no matter the mod?

[daring dock]

yes it will pick up every sound

whether it gets replaced is whether or not there is a sound to replace it

[tranquil frigate]

Since I did add a soft dependency to FacilityMeltdown, it's possible? my mod loads later and which somehow? causes a race-condition type issue?

[daring dock]

nope, if you have no code relating to soundapi, meltdown doesn't either. it's most likely just some random issue with soundapi itself

[tranquil frigate]

Yuh probably.

[Info :ainavt.lc.lethalconfig] Registered config "Scarlet Mansion/Lighting/2 Lights Weight"
[Debug :me.loaforc.soundapi] Parsing ambience_music.json as a sound replacer
[Info :ImoutoSama.ScarletMansion] Loading asset SDMLevel

Discord phone plz

[daring dock]

nah thats normal cause soundapi loads stuff on a background thread

[tranquil frigate]

That would make more sense

Well all I can do is check again when I get home

[silver hare]

Sounds good, thanks. And if you can either have a setting for how much a painting is worth or have an option for it to refer to FacilityMeltdown that'd be great too. In the meantime I'll see if I have the same reported issues with LethalResonance and such when I get a chance

[silver hare]

LethalResonance seems to be working okay for me, I did get a lag spike at one point but I'm pretty sure that was just a memory issue. As far as everything else, facility meltdown activation is working fine, and it's nice to see item spawns close to the entrance. Huge difference. Lighting is improved to a certain extent, it's easier to see where it is lit, but if it's not lit it's basically pitch black.

[tranquil frigate]

Would you say that the new lighting (with brightness/range numbers that I will be tweaking next update) is better than the previous one? Or you rather see the final tweaks before you give a good answer. Your honest answer if you can

[amber osprey]

I think its darker than before to be honest

In 13.2 and earlier I was generally content with the lighting situation, granted I used config
Hallway Lights Weight = 999
Chandelier Lights Weight = 999
0 Lights Weight = 0
1 Light Weight = 0
2 Lights Weight = 3
Essentially forcing the most lit up mansion possible.

Imo I don't think it's really necessary to make it brighter than it was in 13.2. Its okay if the dungeon is just a bit darker than base. Some areas are pitch black but that happens in base too sometimes. I think the difference is that in base, scanning will illuminate the area enough for you to get around, but for some reason in SDM the scan is just really unhelpful for navigation. You can walk into a pitchblack hallway and scan, and you can't tell if there's a turn, a wall, or a doorway, until you walk forward and bump into the wall more or less.

[tranquil frigate]

Any gamers here spend 2 hours of code refactoring to save the 1 minute inconvenience of adding new functionality

[tranquil frigate]

Makes me think that I should add wall candles to the hallways as well. Since my dungeon is very packed, I have a high chance of reaching the light/shadow cap so I can't just add more lights (every time I try, unity complains). But since the small candle lights are really cheap, they should be enough visual detail to make hallways easier to walk through.

Wait actually

@timid surge by chance, does CullFactory cull lights now? I feel like that I read that it did but I want to verify from the source

[dusk maple]

all the time

[median hazel]

question, when you finally get the lights/detail the way ya want, would you ever consider making more custom scrap ?

i think the painting was a very neat idea

[tranquil frigate]

I would love it, but they take a fair amount of time surprisingly (as I'm only person workin on this mod full time and I'm only a coder).

I want to add a magic book from a particular person's library as both a scrap item, and a potential escape option

[median hazel]

Thats fair, i don't know much about the touhou series but i think just seeing an apple named "Bad Apple" that plays like a single note of bad apple when you click e or something would be funny

[timid surge]

it was supposed to cull static lights from the start, but it should be actually doing it as of 1.9.1 I think

why, did you notice some issue there?

[tranquil frigate]

Oh no, I just see a potential solution to my problem if the light culling does work.

[timid surge]

if you're talking about increasing the number of lights, yeah, it should help with that I think

[tranquil frigate]

I reach the light/shadow limit quite quickly, but I could maybe avoid it with CullFactory

May just make it manitory

[timid surge]

it's worth noting that I haven't really tested to make sure that it resolves that limit issue since the update that changed how I cull lights though

it used to use Light.enabled but there was some issue in vanilla mansion that caused that to do nothing

LC_Office used to reach the light limit very easily on March in its older versions, but I think Piggy shrunk it so it's not a good test for that anymore unfortunately

but obviously you could test by just cranking up your interior scale and light chances I guess

[tranquil frigate]

I have ways to force lights and really see

I'll try it tomorrow and see what happens

[timid surge]

sounds good, lemme know if it still hits the limit

it uses the light's culling mask currently, which seems to not be explicitly supported by HDRP, despite the fact that it works

[tranquil frigate]

lol

now that's a classic

[timid surge]

if it works though, it's perfect for me since it allows me to change a setting that nobody in the editor is able to touch 😎

much less chance of conflicts that way

[tranquil frigate]

your mod become irreplaceable

as its unreplicateable

[timid surge]

oh idk I'm sure someone else would've done it eventually lol

I'm glad I've been able to get it working well though

[tranquil frigate]

Suppose so. Still black magic that you doing though

[valid scaffold]

Real

[valid scaffold]

Ooooooh

Love the mood lighting

[tranquil frigate]

I remember why I didn't add this lighting originally, the shadows like popping in/out for some reason and I can't understand why

but i fix that next patch

[timid surge]

interesting, is that even without CullFactory?

[tranquil frigate]

that's without. Shadows at the edge of the screen are popping in/out so I'm theorizing that the walls/props outside of the screen are being culled which means its shadows are disabled (which are in front of the screen)

this one i'm truly stumped on

[timid surge]

so the light just shines through the off-screen wall fully suddenly when you look at a certain angle?

[tranquil frigate]

no not that

the lighting is correct (i think), but the shadows pop in and out

[timid surge]

not sure I'm understanding, if the light isn't shining through a wall that's supposed to occlude it, perhaps a video could clarify

if you're looking for help brainstorming anyway

[tranquil frigate]

a video would be much clearer yuh, ill get that video tomorrow too

[glass walrus]

The slot mods got an update 😛

Was it the one you were waiting for? @tranquil frigate

[quiet pecan]

The new screenshots look great. That said, I do think the problem with running into a cap of light sources (which is probably also a performance concern) can be addressed as a side effect of a different problem I've mentioned before. The vanilla interiors don't actually have all that many lights, but they don't need many lights, partially because each individual light is brighter, but perhaps more so because the surfaces are more reflective. This connects directly to the last part of what Hack McGraw said:

[quiet pecan]

I'm pretty sure the scan emits light, just like the player emits a tiny bit of light around them (in both cases only visible to that player). In other interiors, this is enough to see by because the surfaces reflect a good deal of light. In SDM, it doesn't work as well because the surfaces absorb too much light, reflecting very little.

[balmy ibex]

yeah reserved slot got an update

[silver hare]

It's kind of hard to say honestly, I think it'd be best to wait until the final changes to say anything for sure, but there definitely was a noticeable difference in the contrast (I suppose that's the best way to put it) since areas were either lighter or darker. I see you pushed out a new lighting update though, so I'll take a look at that. I also see some others have mentioned it, but ReservedFlashlightSlot has just released v2.0.0 which allows you to add new items to the reserved slot. Hopefully it should be much easier to incorporate the compatibility now since the changelog claims you can just add an item's "translated name" to the slot.

[valid scaffold]

Ahh I feel like I remember you talking about that forever ago

[tranquil frigate]

It hella confuses me

Probably has a simple fix though

hopefully has a simple fix

[woven cloud]

Whenever I edit certain SDM config settings via LethalConfig, they always reset to default whenever I close and boot up the game again, while others do properly save

So far the ones I've found to do this are: "Painting Count", "Painting Extra Loot Min", "Painting Extra Loot Max", and all the settings under "Lighting"

Does anyone else have this issue, or lack thereof?

[pseudo current]

Did you select "Custom" for Preset settings? I know they revert back if you leave it on "Default"

[woven cloud]

OOOOHH

That's exactly it

Ty

[tranquil frigate]

Ahh yes, the settings get reset if the preset is not set to custom

Sorry that wasn't the clearest

[woven cloud]

Out of curiousity, is there any benefit of setting it to "Default"?

[tranquil frigate]

To keep up to date to what I think is "best" default settings

It's mostly for people who don't want to touch the configs

Which is fair enough

[woven cloud]

Mmmmm I see, thank you

[glass walrus]

Do we need to add the flashlights ourselves to ReservedFlashlightSlot? Or are you doing something on your end?

There is a place in the config to add custom items

[balmy ibex]

Somehow i made this dungeon a lucky kinda dungeon with the scrap multiplier

[woven cloud]

Not sure what you mean, but the current version of ReservedFlashlightSlot is very buggy atm

#1177039162428366848

[glass walrus]

Look at the bottom of the flashlight config. @tranquil frigate was waiting for an update to ReservedItemSlots to allow for custom flashlights and such

My question is if this mod is gonna add functionality or if we will have to edit the config ourselves to make it work

[tranquil frigate]

I'll be doing it programmatically, just give me a day to get it in

Oh ya it is having difficulty right now. I'll still add it since it's a simple compatibility patch for me

[glass walrus]

You're good😅 I just wanted to know the all of the flashlight names if we have to do it ourselves. I'll just wait for the update, take your time. You are on a break after all😁

[tranquil frigate]

Not on break yet

That's in one week exactly

You can't get rid of me yet

[glass walrus]

Looks like the update came at a good time then

[fluid pike]

i still have this issue after the update, when i install v1.3.4 or v1.3.5 all of the sounds from lethal resonance stop playing, while v1.3.3 works fine

[tranquil frigate]

oh i have yet to look into it, i have a lot of other things in the priority list sorry

[tranquil frigate]

@timid surge dis what i mean about shadow popping

im truly lost to why this is a thing, dying for help

[gilded pivot]

All I can think of is adding area lights in those spots

[quiet pecan]

Vanilla interiors have shadow pop-in as well, but they gracefully fade in and out. Previously I posted screenshots demonstrating it, but perhaps a video is better.

However, this doesn't explain the shadow pop-out demonstrated in the video LadyRaphtalia posted, where the shadows disappear when you get too close. I have no idea what causes that, but I'd hazard a guess that the words "near clipping plane" figures into the answer somehow. 🤷‍♀️

[timid surge]

I'm not exactly sure why it's doing this, but I think it might be a bug with HDRP area lights where it ignores part of the shadow map near the edges of the camera frustum

it becomes quite a bit less noticeable when cranking up the shadow map resolution, but it still occurs even then

I'm thinking maybe it's better to use spot/point lights instead, you can probably throw in multiple point lights to make it appear to cover more of an area

Google so far has given me nothing on this issue though :(

to be fair, though, I'm not really sure how a shadow map for an area light would even work

another option perhaps would be to use large area lights without shadow maps on a very low intensity, then put in some spot/point lights for shadows

this page about HDRP shadows seems to claim that shadows are supported for area lights, but it also mentions dynamic rescaling of the shadow maps of lights based on the camera's angle, so I'm guessing maybe that has something to do with it

oddly though, using the frame debugger to look at the shadow maps, it didn't look like they moved, so I'm not sure where exactly it's messing up

[timid surge]

I think a big factor causing the entry room's shadows to be all messed up is the fact that the shadow cone value is set so high, I believe the area lights only ever use one shadow map, so the shadow map resolution for the chandeliers is spread across a massive area and the pixels end up being massive

still not an excuse for it to essentially cull visible parts of the shadow map, but something to be aware of

I'm thinking that to get a similar effect, you could use one or more medium-resolution spot lights with wide cones (they only use one shadow map and should cost a lot less than a point light), or a point light and area light in combination

[quiet pecan]

For what it's worth, based on how the vanilla interior lights look and behave, I'm pretty sure they're all point lights. I don't think it ever uses area lights. Like I assume the fancy lamp (scrap item) is also a point light, and they're functionally equivalent in behavior. I imagine each chandelier in the vanilla Mansion foyer has a single point light in the rope it's hanging from and the rope is set to not cast shadows. I think that's how I'd do it if I wanted a result that looks exactly like the vanilla Mansion foyer, anyway.

And I get that SDM is intended to look different and I'm fine with that. I'm just suggesting that maybe it's a bad idea to be using area lights at all. But I don't actually know the technical details of what's going on here. And maybe I'm totally wrong and vanilla interiors do use area lights.

[timid surge]

the factory interior uses mostly spot lights, and mansion I believe is mostly point lights

(edit: and they don't ever use area lights)

I did discover that setting the HDRenderPipelineAsset's Area Shadow Filtering Quality to High fixes the issue with these giant pixels disappearing

that in combination with a 512x512 shadow map seems to make things look a lot better with the area light in the entry

unsure of the performance cost though, I'm running it in editor so it runs like crap anyway

I'll see if I can find where this option exists in the actual scripting APIs with UnityExplorer

[timid surge]

looks like setting it in the release build just causes it to spam an error I think Batby or Noop Nomnom would have to look into making that work

I don't know enough about working with the existing assets

(not sure how much Batby has done regarding that, but I figure at least Noop (I may be stupid) Nomnom might have some idea if it's possible)

for ref, this is what I tried in UnityEngine

var renderPipelineAsset = (UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipelineAsset)UnityEngine.Rendering.GraphicsSettings.currentRenderPipeline;
var renderSettings = renderPipelineAsset.currentPlatformRenderPipelineSettings;
var hdShadows = renderSettings.hdShadowInitParams;
hdShadows.areaShadowFilteringQuality = UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDAreaShadowFilteringQuality.High;
renderSettings.hdShadowInitParams = hdShadows;
renderPipelineAsset.currentPlatformRenderPipelineSettings = renderSettings;

UnityEngine.Rendering.RenderPipelineManager.CleanupRenderPipeline();
UnityEngine.Rendering.RenderPipelineManager.PrepareRenderPipeline(renderPipelineAsset);

[opal wigeon]

@thorny orchid

[thorny orchid]

Ah yes HDRP settings huh?

[thorny orchid]

I'd suggest you use my GraphicsAPI. If you don't want dependencies you can take a look into it's source code.

It's documented as well

[timid surge]

does that somehow take care of bundling shaders that are not included in the release build?

[thorny orchid]

Sadly no. That's still something I'm figuring out.

If you got ideas on how to That would be amazing

[timid surge]

I wish I did, I don't know enough about Unity to know if it's possible to build and include a second HDRP asset

I feel like it... might make sense for that to be possible? but then obviously you have to switch between that and the default one to switch the option, which isn't exactly reasonable

[thorny orchid]

You can change the HDRP asset pretty easily though it might break if the build doesn't have the required assets for the new settings

[timid surge]

considering that there would be permutations of other options as well

right, but what I mean is building all the shaders and everything and bundling that with a mod to be used instead of the default built-in one

not just changing settings and then switching the asset instance

not sure if that's possible, I don't know how the shaders are handled

I posted a message in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1199473521265475745 since I figure Nomnom might have some idea about this

[thorny orchid]

Yeah for that I don't really know sadly.

[timid surge]

it's a shame I can't switch it on easily, it would be nice to test to see the performance impact to find out if this is even worth doing

annoying that the medium quality has such obvious and ugly artifacts

[thorny orchid]

Oh if you didn't know you can change quality settings too

[opal wigeon]

Not available to elaborate but i have a warmup shaders function in like lll 1.0 in my assetbundleloader script. Might have a lead or two

[timid surge]

oh interesting

[timid surge]

I'm aware you can change some at least, but I haven't really had to change too many so idk what all is built into LC's release

but if my testing was any indication, high quality area lights was not one of them

[thorny orchid]

Is that the setting you are trying to change?

[timid surge]

yes

[thorny orchid]

Or atleast achieve

[timid surge]

#1195583267546595389 message

this code specifically needs to actually work properly at runtime

[thorny orchid]

What settings is it in the HRDP settings?

[timid surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199473521265475745/1217639470728478760/image.png?ex=6604c220&is=65f24d20&hm=a25834f02255b5c284984da4f723d8959743a458a68ad1344674e88d717dad0d&

[thorny orchid]

Oh taht should be easy then

Let me try

[timid surge]

hm, did you read my messages above?

it doesn't seem to include the shader, it spams a compute shader error

something about a kernel

[opal wigeon]

Also from when I looked at this the code actually relevant mostly looks like conditionals using the so as reference. A lot of stuff can be manipulated with transpilers

[thorny orchid]

Probably because of UnityEngine.Rendering.RenderPipelineManager.PrepareRenderPipeline(renderPipelineAsset); That somehow "remake" the whole settings which cause unity to go brrr

At least on my end that's what usually happened

[timid surge]

nah that works

[thorny orchid]

I'll do some testing and let you know if I achieve something

[timid surge]

if I change it to set it to medium from high after it breaks, everything works again

but sure, lemme know if you figure something out

[tranquil frigate]

I was so certain that the game used area lights. It's why I've been using them since day one since I thought they worked

[warm musk]

does this interior still harm the frame rate super hard? last i played everyone got 40 fps

[timid surge]

to be fair, they can really result in some nice lighting, one would hope they would work

I wonder if Batby might be able to cook something up with shader variant collections

[tranquil frigate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/shadow-distance.html
I remember seeing this during my research. I don't know if it is the answer (I have yet to try it). The "Reduce shadow flickering" section.

Do you think it's the answer from just your gut feeling?

[timid surge]

hmm, I wouldn't really think so since we're not that far away from the origin in the dungeon, but possibly it may have some influence?

I think the flickering it's referring to there is from floating-point precision issues at large coordinate values

I may be wrong though, and I'm also not sure what effect that would have on the area light filtering, so it is probably worth checking

normally I would expect it to present as similar to z-fighting but only affecting the shadows

nope, just tested it in the editor and it didn't make a difference :(

[tranquil frigate]

Nah you right. I was mad coping but 200 distance wouldn't make a difference for float calculations

I'll do a bit more research, but maybe it's just area light issues after all. I'll switch to normal lights then

[timid surge]

multiple large spot lights might be able to kind of achieve a similar effect, though at more cost

would sure be nice to get area lights working though

I feel like it would unlock some cool effects for interiors

I mean, they technically already work when you don't use shadows for them, but in an interior that kinda makes lighting in the next room look weird

[tranquil frigate]

If your framerate is getting beat up, I recommend using CullFactory as that will reduce the amount of models that the game has to render.

[warm musk]

we use that now. but before even with it frame rate was getting beat up. we played SDM like 2 months ago and haven't tried it since

[tranquil frigate]

Oh ya that's 2 months ago. A lot of changed since then

The lag has not. The mansion has become smaller but the map still has more models to render (technically) compared to other dungeons

Which is where CullFactory helps a ton

[warm musk]

i'll have to test it with my modpack sometime when i don't have streams planned then

[tranquil frigate]

Fosho

[warm musk]

im planning to try this and lc office again. however lc office makes me skittish because it uses network API and i think that was causing issues in my game

[tranquil frigate]

A smarter person than me could tell you if that's the source of your issues or not.

I never used network API, I write my netcode functions directly

@timid surge btw i found something https://forum.unity.com/threads/point-lights-and-occlusion-culling.901922/

[warm musk]

im really not sure anymore since it seems LC likes to meltdown for any reason when mods are involved

[tranquil frigate]

if im reading this right, it's a known issue

[tranquil frigate]

not really LC's fault per say, you got a lot of mods of various quality trying to not break on just themselves. combining them together is only inviting problems

something something skill issue. you gotta slowly add/remove mods to find the ones that work

[warm musk]

point taken. but it makes me wonder how content creators and streamers get by with big 120+ mod packs and i only got 40 and not having issues all the time per say but just having random hiccups we gotta work around or reset for

might get better now that AC is gone tho.

[timid surge]

that thread looks like it was initially reporting an issue with the legacy render pipeline, but I do see one mention of area lights which is possibly on HDRP

i wouldn't be surprised if it's fixed in a later version though regardless

[tranquil frigate]

i saw a potential solution to it, may as well try

[timid surge]

sure, why not

occlusion culling of lights would generally just disable the whole light rather than a part of the shadow map though

and frustum culling as well, which is probably what would actually have an effect in your case

[tranquil frigate]

i keep seeing that, but is that something that i would be able to edit? as I assume it's just the regular player camera ya?

well actually i dont know what frustum culling is referring to exactly. I think you are referring to the viewport-ish thing that the game uses to start culling but i could be wrong

[timid surge]

yeah, a frustum just represents the area of geometry that's visible within the camera

including near and far planes in Unity

and importantly not including occluding geometry

it must also somehow take into account the influence of light similar to how CullFactory does, so that lights that have influence within the camera's frustum remain active

[tranquil frigate]

ima be real with you chief. you lost me

[timid surge]

otherwise stuff like what was reported in that thread would happen, and I haven't observed anything like that in LC

ah damn lol

[tranquil frigate]

but i understand that i should fix try this hacky fix, and then mess with the near plane of the camera

and see if it helps

[timid surge]

near plane... maybe idk

[tranquil frigate]

so i did not understand that correctly

[timid surge]

well

essentially I was just explaining why I think it's unlikely that culling is the culprit, at least not frustum or occlusion

it might be some optimization specifically in the area light shader that's doing this

basically, if the light is still doing something it seems like the frustum culling is working properly, since the light should be either on or off

it is possible that the near plane has some influence though, since the bug seems to interact with the nearest points to the camera

you could try cranking that up to some unreasonably high value like 1 and see if it improves things

[tranquil frigate]

alright, makes sense to me

will try these things

[tranquil frigate]

fuck it, point lights

[tranquil frigate]

New update. Changed the lighting again. Should be better now (How many times have I said that. Also messed up two library rooms WHOOPS). Added a new 2f library room, ReservedFlashlightSlot compatibility and door damage configs.

Also CullFactory is mandatory now. My dungeon depends on it too much with how the rooms are packed in like sardines.

[glass walrus]

I feel like CullFactory is just kinda mandatory with a bunch of interiors, the boost in performance is nothing short of black magic

[tranquil frigate]

Also I don't know how many people here use AC. The current mod compability will remain but I won't be updating it if it breaks in the future.

[tranquil frigate]

The performance boost is truly wild

[glass walrus]

Really wish zeekers knew more of the modding scene

[rare needle]

Yeah CullFactory is essential

[glass walrus]

some of these mod makers are so good they should just be given a job lol

[potent pike]

Zeekers wants to be solo for now

Also a lot of interior mod makers use asset packs

Nothing inherently wrong with that

But I’m pretty sure all of the stuff in LC is made by zeekers

Other than like 2 audio files or something

[median hazel]

regarding the mandatory-ness of cullfactory does anyone know what interiors have incompatibilities with it

cause i figure theres probably 1 or 2 that do

[glass walrus]

Not sure, @timid surge is pretty on top of making it work with every one

I have every one minus minecraft interiors, Liminal Pools, and Mr Unrealovsky's School interior and I have no issues

[median hazel]

well thats good, i remember hearing cf have issues with some things so

hopefully liminal pools doesnt break then

[glass walrus]

I you run into any issues, post in the cullfactory channel. They'll likely fix it or work with whoever made the interior to fix it

[median hazel]

kk 👍

[woven cloud]

What value is being multiplied here? The Door Shovel Damage?

[tranquil frigate]

Enemy damage. Enemies can break down doors if they are "angry" (i.e. they are chasing you). Locked doors are just tougher to break down. This wouldn't matter as you can't normally lock a door between you and the enemy, but for mods that can lock doors, this is for them

[woven cloud]

Right makes sense, what's the base damage for enemies then?

[tranquil frigate]

its kinda variable atm. they somewhat match the normal door opening speed for enemies.

roughly 2-4 seconds for most enemies, 8 for coil-heads and knights, and 16 for slimes

[woven cloud]

So these are the regular door opening speeds? And when a door is locked, the multiplier will be applied (making it take 100% longer, in this case)?

[tranquil frigate]

yuh basically

[woven cloud]

I seeeeee, ty ty

[timid surge]

those three work too afaik

also, the options in CullFactory should allow people to either get culling working with interiors with compatibility issues, or disable it for individual ones

the only downside at the moment is dynamic lights shining through walls, but I already have a WIP branch to fix that, I've just been taking a break before trying to fix everything with that so it can be released as 1.0.0

after that it should be only optimization and bug fixing

[opal wigeon]

Woahhhh

idk who told you that

A big bulk of basegame is third party afaik

[potent pike]

the credits

the credits is just patreons and sound files

I feel like it would be weird to not include asset packs no>

maybe im just stupid

[opal wigeon]

you don’t have to credit licensed assets

[potent pike]

ok yea thats true

[rare needle]

I appreciate the lengths this mod has gone to match the vanilla art style of the game, my friends should love this when we need to do a bunch of Rend runs cus they tend to complain about always having the Vanilla mansion layout all the time 😂

[tranquil frigate]

One final update maybe in 3-4 days

After that is my compulsory 2 week break

[balmy ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[rare needle]

Sounds like you need it ^^

[tranquil frigate]

i call it a final update, but it's more like, i have 1-2 short days to make something stable enough to last for 2 weeks

[rare needle]

😂

Btw is there a reason why when using your interior when you enter the fire exit you face towards it when using the fix with GI? I imagine it's likely a small conflict of some sort

[tranquil frigate]

but it's honestly the opposite, i rather keep working on this. but outer influences are dragging me away for a short while

[rare needle]

Idk if the other fire exit flipping mods may resolve it

[tranquil frigate]

uhh, i purposely made my fire exit to point you in the non-dumb way

so facing away from the door

but i assume GI flips that value for every fire exit

[rare needle]

Ahhhh so the GI fix basically undoes it

😂

[tranquil frigate]

yuh that

[rare needle]

I wonder if a compatibility option could be added that disables the fix from your side then just to fix the small jank

[tranquil frigate]

not difficult, would be small and simple

[rare needle]

Ye ^^

[tranquil frigate]

but that doesn't mean not time consuming

[rare needle]

Fair

Everything is time consuming

^^

[tranquil frigate]

you can try politely bugging the GI dev to find a solution on their end

since I won't be able to for a real fat fat minute

[civic lagoon]

is cull factory required for this mod?

[tranquil frigate]

It is now. My dungeon needs it to have stable performance

[civic lagoon]

my perfomance was stable before cull factory

can i remove it or will things break?

[tranquil frigate]

Your computer may be strong, but mine and many others is garbage poo poo

[tranquil frigate]

You can disable it, and the mod will still load properly

There may be random lag spikes in the dungeon though, as a warning

[civic lagoon]

thank u for responding so quickly!! appreciate all your hard work

[rare needle]

It's funny how this interior has become my favorite, I like it more than the vanilla mansion 🙂

[woven cloud]

Easily the best interior mod so far imho tbh fr fr 💯

[rare needle]

100%

[tranquil frigate]

Appreciate the compliments. Sorry that you about to get pranked by a 2 week dev delay

[rare needle]

Lol btw is it possible you could get flip to make the flashlights show up on the shoulder after using the crystals on them? I wanna see the customized flashlights on character shoulders 😄

[tranquil frigate]

The way they worded it, I would have to do it myself, but it does sound simple

[rare needle]

Okay I hope you can get it working then ^^