Starlancer Moons v3.2.0 / Starlancer Warehouse v1.7.0

[torpid wave]

for solace map

if u can wanna give me a link for them, please it would help me so much

i have been looking for good tree models for a long time and all cost i cant find, but these look perfect

[teal nimbus]

how do you guys make your moons so quickly?

[unkempt verge]

Info could use some tidying to fit better.

[sharp sequoia]

They have experience with Unity basically

They already know what they’re doing before they even start

And also Lethal moons aren’t as complicated as like AAA games, they’re basically terrains with rocks, trees and scattered buildings

(Most of the time)

And I really don’t mean to discredit anyone of course. It requires talent, perseverance and a lot of time

[teal nimbus]

yeah, but mine is just dry desert like moon with empty outdoors and i'm still making this moon for a long time

[sharp sequoia]

Yeah I feel you, I’m there too

I’ve been working on and off my moon for a month

But I think mine will be ready this week

[limpid portal]

Kk. How'd you like the eclipse? (Or did my visual thing not even work)

[limpid portal]

Well its my third moon, and once you have a feel for how to set things up creation goes a lot smoother

[teal nimbus]

but most of my time i spend on models 😅

[limpid portal]

So far I've been using premade assets 🤭

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/vegetation/mountain-environment-dynamic-nature-191851

I got these a while back during a humblebundle I think, I definitely didn't pay that much for them lol

[torpid wave]

oh my jeez

thats expensive

[limpid portal]

Yea lol

[fading yacht]

the fog was thicker around the ship than it was around the mansion

[teal nimbus]

That explains a lot

I've spend over 4h today making model of the facility

[limpid portal]

Ah yeah Auralis is the same way. I'm gonna invest some time today figuring out how the weather variable's work for foggy weather so I can fix that

[unkempt verge]

Didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Or maybe I didn't pay attention.

[limpid portal]

It'll probably look really cool tho!

[limpid portal]

The sun should've looked actually eclipsed

With a reddish tint to the sky

[unkempt verge]

Ah well, didn't look at it.

Moon had red tint.

[teal nimbus]

Not really but i've did my best

[keen marsh]

could this be an issue with fog's bounding box?

[keen marsh]

basically fog effect is a cube filled with volumetric fog

[keen marsh]

for example titan: on the ground fog is a-ok, on the entrance level it's gone

[limpid portal]

Here's an editor pic from the other day. I haven't tested Eclipsed Solace so idk if it actually works

[limpid portal]

Yep, I just don't know how the variables attached to the weather affect the location/size of the box

[keen marsh]

let me get that for ya, i was tweaking them a few days ago

[limpid portal]

That looks awesome!

[limpid portal]

Oh thank god lmao, I couldn't find anything in the code specific for foggy weather. There's code for flooded, eclipsed, and stormy, but not foggy 😭

[keen marsh]

the game's code is a bowl of spaghetti better left alone to rot

It's inside UnityEngine.GameObject "Foggy" -> component UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.LocalVolumetricFog -> field parameters(type UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.LocalVolumetricFogArtistParameters) -> field size (type Vector3)

[limpid portal]

@serene sand gonna push a hotfix shortly to re-enable the fog on Solace's water

[keen marsh]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/[email protected]/api/UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.LocalVolumetricFogArtistParameters.html

and the effect is under TimeOfDay.Instance.effects[levelWeatherType] - either effectObject or effectPermamentObject (cannot remember rn)

[limpid portal]

I was more wondering how the WeatherVariables in SelectableLevel apply to foggy weather. I don't particularly want to make a plugin just to fix the foggy weather

[keen marsh]

i don't think they do tbh

cause you can't easily change fog density (afaik)

i mean - you can, but it looks like shit

[limpid portal]

You think Zeekers just puts foggy weather on certain moons that are guaranteed to be the right size for the predetermined box?

[keen marsh]

let me check the sizes real quick

[unkempt verge]

It did look like that, but I missed the moon.

[limpid portal]

• StarlancerMoons v1.1.1
  • Re-enabled "receive fog" on Solace's water material.

StarlancerMoons v1.1.1

[tepid palm]

Oh yeah, is this right???
For Solace

Rend for comparison

we was getting alot of loot

(And then assurance)

[limpid portal]

Scrap value settings feel meaningless most of the time tbh, I think scrap amount is more accurate.
My tests showed me averaging about 600c per moon with no other mods

[tepid palm]

i figured cuz its a mansion? so its more spread out? but still seemed like alot

[tepid palm]

I see

[limpid portal]

I'm using Detailed Scan btw to more accurately test, so I thought I had balanced it decently well considering I went to vow/march and saw around the same amount

[wicked radish]

How did you preview this in the editor?

[limpid portal]

I duplicated the vanilla sunanim container animator and timeofdaysun animations. If you open up the animation thing with all the keyframes, you can select the sun and skip around to different keyframes to see where the sun will be throughout the day

As well as keyframe in other settings, like with the eclipse animation I messed around with the flare size/color and such

[wicked radish]

Yea but I cant preview Stormy or Eclipsed? I have to select my sunAnimContainer to preview and then it defaults to TimeOfDaySun

[limpid portal]

You should be able to click your direct light

and see its anim

[wicked radish]

oh i'm stupid

thank you

[limpid portal]

Nah not stupid, everyone has things to learn, and what better way than from one another? :3

[keen marsh]

Experimentation: position 4,2 1,5 -14,5323 // size 356 68,6 356

Titan: position 4,2 1,5 -14,5323 // size 356 68,6 356

Auralis: position 4,2 1,5 -14,5323 // size 356 68,6 356

umm

yeah

position is the GameObject property, size is the effect property

[abstract lark]

@limpid portal not sure where i can give feedback, but tried solace yesterday and had some desyncing issues with my friend and we only intermittently could see each other on the map.

[keen marsh]

i know for a fact that variables affect Flooded, Stormy and Eclipsed in some ways

but those are effectObjects, not effectPermamentObjects (afaik)

in WeatherEffect class

[limpid portal]

Solace is set up in the same way as Auralis and Triskelion, so I'm not really sure what part of it could cause that :s

[limpid portal]

lmao of course

[keen marsh]

you're assuming zeekers thought this through

🥲

[limpid portal]

It's still weird that I can't find the code to activate it tho, bc it doesn't exist in the scene until loaded. Lemme dig into TimeOfDay rq

[keen marsh]

oh god, it's so weird

TimeOfDay.Instance.effects[weather type int].enabled

and it calls OnEnable in the UnityObject

it's so stupid

[limpid portal]

ughhhh so there's probably not a way short of a plugin then

[keen marsh]

it would require a global change i think 😦

[limpid portal]

How hard would it be to make a plugin that extends the foggy weather bounds?

[keen marsh]

i don't think it would be that difficult to pull off

basically you need to change one Vector3 variable

i mean - from the code perspective at least

i ain't got any unity experience

[limpid portal]

maybe I'll try later @_@

Add another must-have Starlancer mod to the pack 🤭

[keen marsh]

bumping those download numbers 😇

[abstract lark]

maybe the update last night fixed it. i'll file a bug if we run into it again,.

[wicked radish]

@limpid portal video is to big for DM

nvm bitrate ruins it

[limpid portal]

lmao

np

[drowsy mulch]

Checked out Solace, very nice, love the vibes. I noticed some minor Z fighting at various points of the cabin/shack. Personally does not bother me, but thought it'd be worth "reporting"

[serene sand]

on solace, these guys always run in here

i have diversity and aifix

diversity changes their ai

i also have mirage n maskedairevamp and masked also come to this very same spot before getting bored and hopping onto the ship

once i get close the lizards they run uphill, unstuck

[drowsy mulch]

known issue specific to spore lizard prefabs. Right now all they do is go to map origin point until they are assigned to a player (become aggroed by getting close) at which point they act normal.

[eager sedge]

They're just kissing dw about it :)

[drowsy mulch]

I like that when you first get within range without aggroing them, they stop for a second to stare like "excuse us, do you mind?" before going back to kissing

[limpid portal]

Do you have a log regarding the masked?

[serene sand]

oh no but ill be sure to send one next time

[drowsy mulch]

btw speaking of silly little creatures on starlancer maps:

[limpid portal]

Baboon hawks killing manticoils always produces fantastic clips

[limpid portal]

How are you liking the visual changes to Triskelion btw?

[drowsy mulch]

Was pretty solid overall. That was me testing some things as opposed to an actual run, but the map seemed more navigable at a glance without really negatively affecting how the tone of the map feels if that makes sense.

[keen marsh]

it changed again? 👀

[limpid portal]

Bro the 1.0 update

new lighting setup on each moon lol

[drowsy mulch]

Feels brighter but has a foggy atmosphere to balance it out pretty much

[keen marsh]

i've just realized i was still on 0.5 😭

[limpid portal]

BRO

You haven't even been on Solace 😭

[keen marsh]

😟

[keen marsh]

*the lighthouse isn't a fire exit 🥲 *

[drowsy mulch]

That was unironically my first experience with Solace lmao

[limpid portal]

People complain if I put too many fire exits ; - ;

[drowsy mulch]

The ||cabin exit|| makes up for it though imo, very cool one

[keen marsh]

you cannot account for poor taste 🙃

[limpid portal]

Stormy AND flooded

you're heckin dead

[drowsy mulch]

It is a tropical island

[keen marsh]

you were right: the moons do look nicer

and I cannot wait to play Solace with my team 😅

*didn't notice the update for too long 😭 *

[unkempt verge]

How does that interact with MeteoMultiplier?

[keen marsh]

right now it uses the "base" weather type (predefined, in this case it's Flooded) and applies it's multiplier

[unkempt verge]

So it will be only one, not two?

[keen marsh]

I thought on how to resolve this, and I think i'm gonna make MeteoMultiplier a dependency of WeatherTweaks (for changing the multipliers with modified weathers)

[keen marsh]

for now, yes

although this will be changed, i just need to find the most compatible way of doing so

[limpid portal]

I have like 2 more moon ideas, but I think I need to learn DunGen next

Moons are cool and all, but they're just vessels to get to the facilities, and I don't want people to get bored of my moons ; ^ ;

[keen marsh]

they're the highest quality, don't worry 😅

[tepid palm]

Did this ever get fixed?

[limpid portal]

idk, @wicked radish has some gorgeous moons, and they have detail foliage (grass/bushes/etc) and such. All I have are trees lol

I need to download them and walk around for myself tho, see what I'm up against

🤭

[keen marsh]

fine, the best LLL moons 🙄

[limpid portal]

they've ported to LLL :P

[keen marsh]

😒

[keen marsh]

oh yeah, that's right

celest: hour ago

[drowsy mulch]

I'm more of a design guy over a visuals guy anyways. Starlancer is my favorite in terms of level design alone. It's a good mix of using most of the map space by having spread out exits and using unique props and layouts at those specific sections. Pathing and navigation is also clear and distinct which is a huge factor for me. Only vanilla map I really like is Experimentation in terms of design, and these maps definitely beat it. Only modded map that's close overall is like Bozoros imo.

Having great visuals is just a neat side bonus

[eager sedge]

Yeah, gotta second all of that.

All of the Starlancer moons have good layouts (auralis ice floes fire exit makes me cry though), are pretty decently balanced, have near-vanilla performance and stand out from the base game moons enough to warrant actually going to. And it's not as if they aren't visually interesting either, because they definitely are. I'd argue they fit in the most with the base game moons out of any modded moons on thunderstore while also still feeling like their own thing.

Bozoros, as mentioned above, also fits into that category for me. (Though it obviously stands out a bit more aesthetically for obvious reasons. But that's not a bad thing when you lean into it in the right way)

[keen marsh]

visuals are not everything, this was the most popular gaming map for a long time:

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/counterstrike-csgo-door-stuck-knife-lit-gif-13501025

[silk tusk]

I can hear this image gif

[keen marsh]

door stuck, DOOR STUCK!!1

[limpid portal]

PLEASE, I BEG YOU

[silk tusk]

New mod? Wink wink?

if door shuts on an employee - teammate is needed to unstuck you from door.

[keen marsh]

let's add ak47 to lethal company 👀

[silk tusk]

I need a butterfly knife as a melee weapon

with an inspect button

[keen marsh]

• awp can now kill coilheads

[silk tusk]

can plant the bomb on coilheads

[keen marsh]

option to import cs skins into LC

[limpid portal]

well I can guarantee y'all that I will not be making those mods 🤭

[keen marsh]

pattern-based scrap skins 👀

please consider 🙏

[silk tusk]

upgraded lockpicker - you plant a bomb that blows up doors and kills all enemies within blast radius.

yes pls

Give double-meaning to "Factory New" Metal Shit Sheet

[keen marsh]

it's an old factory smh

[limpid portal]

like... random textures for scrap items?

[silk tusk]

omg imagine a skin-based or quality-based mod that's based off how well it rolled

Mint-Condition Cash Register looks/texture only if it rolls over 150

[drowsy mulch]

Gift boxes drop a randomly skinned shovel

[silk tusk]

yes

it has to have an inspect animation if it's a skinned shovel

and you could purchase like... a shovel for 30 - but you could purchase a shovel gift box for 40

you never know the kind of shovel you're gonna get, but you're spending 30% more money on it for just colors.

[keen marsh]

I'm gonna create the API for Stripe integration in-game

we'll be rich

[silk tusk]

Capitalize on the shiny gem-like materials

[keen marsh]

terminal money = real money?

[silk tusk]

obv.

gotta put microtransaction mod

[keen marsh]

also mining bitcoin at the same time

double jeopardy

[silk tusk]

No brainer

you ded in-game? You ain't needing calculations

[keen marsh]

"why are your moons so performance-heavy?" 🤭

[silk tusk]

The true reason auralis tanks frames >:3

GPU isn't stressed out bout the game at all

it's stressed out about calculating a stupid chain of math

[lunar pumice]

Doesn’t CullFactory have an equivalent feature built in?

[unkempt verge]

Huh?

In what interior do you need to see that far?

[lunar pumice]

That’s the fun part of being a mod though

[vagrant coral]

is there a known incompatibility with Celest and anything else? just having it installed spams the console with the an error 🫠

[drowsy mulch]

When was that last tested, because they put out an error spam fix a while ago

[vagrant coral]

just now, i installed it for the first time

[lunar pumice]

It has it for exteriors afaik

[vagrant coral]

1.0.2

[lunar pumice]

It’s an optional setting

[unkempt verge]

Don't see anything for exteriors.

[lunar pumice]

🔥🔥🔥

[drowsy mulch]

Idk then, but it shouldn't be related to this mod in any way (for the celest issue)

[unkempt verge]

Anyway, I guess the answer is no. And CullFactory doesn't seem to do anything to exteriors at all.

[vagrant coral]

im so dumb i thought this was the sfdesat thread 😭 😭

im sorry!

[limpid portal]

If someone wants to commission me I could be persuaded to try making a mod that applies a random texture (from some bundled textures) to scrap items and increases value by x% depending on the skin 🤭

[limpid portal]

I've been found out

btw have you tried Auralis recently?

[lunar pumice]

Ah, I thought bc I saw this: #1200144261333659729 message

[silk tusk]

Haven't been able to see the moon in the last 2 and a half weeks

[limpid portal]

[unkempt verge]

Ah, okay. I see now. Both mods work together, but I guess you could replicate ViewExtension with CullFactory's Distance Culling. It's off by default though.

Issue is, enabling that option will also overwrite interiors culling method.

And just culling by distance isn't very good for interiors.

[lunar pumice]

Ahhh, gotcha

Didn’t look into it yet to see if it was a proper replacement

[unkempt verge]

Or maybe it won't overwrite culling method but add to it.

[lunar pumice]

It sounds like overall the best is having both mods

[unkempt verge]

Better to ask OP directly.

[silk tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/but-nevermind-meme-gif-7428456

[limpid portal]

Any leads on why??

[silk tusk]

on what o -o

[limpid portal]

Why you haven't been able to see it. I thought you were saying you had a bug lol

[silk tusk]

I haven't been able to see it, because the pack went into shambles, and since me nor the group plays the pack anymore - I haven't been able to see your moon or any of the custom moons 😅

it's no bug - just no playing = no seeing. .w.

[drowsy mulch]

kev actually just went blind 2.5 weeks ago is all

[silk tusk]

I listen to all messages in this server

;p (/s)

[drowsy mulch]

||oooo kev can't TTS this one oooooo||

[silk tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[limpid portal]

Well you haven't been able to see the massive performance boosts I've done

No more tanking frames
unless you're on a potato, in which case, not much I can do

[silk tusk]

I mean to be fair, when I played it - it was like 20-25 fps so... not too bad in the grand scheme of mods tanking frames

20-25 is playable for the outside of a moon so big

[limpid portal]

idk what your specs are, but for me it's much closer to vanilla fps now once the ship landing sequence is done

[eager sedge]

Potato user here and all 3 moons are pretty stable 40-50 for me in most areas now. A few dips here and there but that's what happens when you have a 10 year old Nvidia card with 4 GB of RAM 😌

[limpid portal]

eyyyy nice

[wicked radish]

You can use CullFactory if you want. Just set Surface cull distance to 1500 (ViewExtension default) in the config

I'm pretty sure it will do the exact same thing

[limpid portal]

Don't do that, give sf Desat more downloads

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-ya-boy-duggie-give-me-money-box-money-cash-gif-27040545

[unkempt verge]

I won't, because ViewExtension is still a dependency of many mods and I don't want to bother uninstalling it every time. But thanks for letting me know!

[keen marsh]

just disable it and it won't auto-enable on updates

😅

[hot yew]

Do you have any tentative ideas on what you'd want potential interiors for the planets to be like?

[limpid portal]

I'd like to use the assets I used on Auralis and Triskelion to make a warehouse tileset for sure, and @onyx dirge came up with a nifty idea for a Theatre interior to act as pseudo-lore for the Masked

[limpid portal]

@keen marsh Finally taking some time to build a modlist instead of modding, and I happened upon your TerminalFormatter 👀

[keen marsh]

👀

what's your opinion of it? 😄

[limpid portal]

Haven't played with it yet, but just from the screenshots it's much more legible

If you could find a way to work in just a little of the vanilla flavor though, that'd be sick. Like maybe put a // column in between each existing one?

[keen marsh]

for better row alignment?

because the spacing is wide

[limpid portal]

forgive the mspaint lol

and I guess not between the price and weather, that'd look awkward when no weather is present

[keen marsh]

🤔 🤔

I'll think about it, for sure

I'm not convinced it's gonna add anything, but i'm not gonna have any opinions before testing

cause the spacings are wide and illegible 😕

[limpid portal]

Entirely just spit-balling, as that was my first thought when I saw it. Still a vast improvement in readability.

[hearty pumice]

is there a thunderstore problem right now

[limpid portal]

It's possible :s

[hearty pumice]

oof

[limpid portal]

I haven't received any other reports of download issues, so the only other thing I can think of is maybe your internet is having a hiccup due to my file size? But there are bigger moons 🤔

[hearty pumice]

its such a pain to update or download mods right now

i dont have intenet issues right now but that 99% was like that for a while

oh now it worked.

it took a minute

[limpid portal]

Oh

well good xD

[hearty pumice]

i think its thunderstore traffic

[limpid portal]

Most likely

[native surge]

OH! mrov!
Is there a chance you could add the option to move the big spaces in between some moons (like between march and rend, and vow and offense) around?

[limpid portal]

Time to finally check out all the things I haven't messed with due to doing nothing but mod-making lmao

[sharp sequoia]

have you tried Wesley’s? @limpid portal

Scp Dungeon is S tier thooo

[limpid portal]

I have not, but I'm waiting for the LLL port

[sharp sequoia]

Ohhh okeoke

They’re definitely my favorite moons with yours

Orion is very strong too

[limpid portal]

I'm scoping out my competition eager to finally see what everyone else's modded moons look like!

[sharp sequoia]

lmaooo

I wonder if some people see it as competition

[limpid portal]

Oh I'm sure they do lol

[native surge]

I really want to make a pirate themed map now :P with like chests and gold and metal sheets and steering wheels :P

Gonna probably use Aquatis (once it’s navmesh issues are fixed)

[sharp sequoia]

How were you planning to use it? Also I didn’t know it had navmesh issues 😦

[native surge]

i wanna make the scrap there pirate themed! :P stuff like gold bars + raw gold (from infernis mod) + chests/big chests (from Ganimedes) + metal sheets, flashbangs, rum bottles (MoreInteriors mod)...

i just think it would be fun hehe :P

[sharp sequoia]

Ohhh!! You want to change the scrap of Aquatis! Gotcha

It would be indeed

[native surge]

Im trying to make/curate a modpack

Which means a lotta detail work for me

but yeah :( Aquatis has navmesh issues which really tank fps later in the day

I'm trying to have minimal issues... I think for now I'll be using Solace as the "pirate themed" moon (even though it doesn't fit super well) but I do think Aquatis looks amazing

@sharp sequoia do you use aquatis a lot?

[sharp sequoia]

Yes! I quite like Aquatis for my first quota

Also good luck on your modpack, it’s quite the task!

[native surge]

weird...

[native surge]

Thanks!! :D

[sharp sequoia]

well I haven’t played LC in a week or two

Helldivers 2…

[sharp sequoia]

How bad are the fps?

[native surge]

I play on pretty low fps by default (like 20-25 on moons) and when the navmesh issues start (the log starts giving off bursts of "can't be placed on an inactive NavMesh" or something like that) fps goes down to 10

I've only ever visited Aquatis using the default interior so I can't imagine it was an issue inside the dungeon

Y'know what imma try again later today

[limpid portal]

Interesting, my item ship on Solace doesn't play music lmao

[sharp sequoia]

Oh damn that’s some low fps

[sharp sequoia]

Oh yeah forget it, you’d have one hell of a hard time

[onyx dirge]

:3

Funni mask funni theater

(just woke up)

[keen marsh]

I'm using LLL's group formatting, so I don't think so 🥲

[unkempt verge]

I know you didn't ask, but IMO ShowMoonPriceLLL does moon list better.

[keen marsh]

😟

if I may ask: what's better about it?

[pliant birch]

I LOOOVE Atlas Abyss paired with 100% chance for scoopy's castle dungeon interior

[unkempt verge]

Weather is in the same spot as vanilla. Having it at the end of a line with no guidance for an eye to match moon/weather is not good. General spacing is overall tighter for rank/price too.

Moon/Weather are two of the most important sources of information on that screen. Rest are just extras that are always static and usually remembered.

[pliant birch]

Yeah I feel like Audio Knights suggestion would help with that though

[serene sand]

please look at Wesley's moons!! if auralis and the rest had events and indoor modifications like they do itd be incredible

[keen marsh]

that's fair - I've noticed this problem before myself and it will be addressed in the next update

[serene sand]

#1206494982521753620 message fixed btw

by aifix

(ik its the same guy lol)

(but im pretty sure thats the same issue)

[limpid portal]

Yep, I'm hoping they come to LLL soon so I can run around them like a madman 🤭

[sharp sequoia]

As soon as they port and when (if) the AC/LLL fight will be over the modding scene will peak

[crimson helm]

Anyone have some screenshots / videos of Solace? i'd love to see more of it but don't have the option to load the game up for a while

[unkempt verge]

#1194042915840872548 message

[limpid portal]

Beware the fishbowl 🐟

[unkempt verge]

shoo

[limpid portal]

Holy shit I spawned 10 hawks on Triskelion, a masked came out and they tore it apart

[hearty pumice]

how many coil heads can you guard in that wide screen

[unkempt verge]

34.375% more.

[vital cairn]

how does one add custom scrap to these moons?

[autumn sundial]

use lethal quantities

[vital cairn]

ah okay

I assume using level loader itself is harder

yeah I rather not use quantities seems too complicated-

And also don't feel like tweaking the whole thing-

[hearty pumice]

meanwhile i just added a ton of scrap mods

i still see like 24+ scraps in custom moons

[vital cairn]

Wait really?

Hopefully or I wish immersive scraps become compatible with more modded moons soon

[crimson helm]

@limpid portal Not sure if you've seen this yet but definitely worth a look
#1212150109375037511 message

Depending on how customizeable this effect is I think it'd look insane on Triskelion

The video is from a landed state on a moon btw (afaik)

[wicked radish]

You can also make the planet orbit you. Aka have a big planet in the sky 👀

[limpid portal]

I did, but thank you for thinking of me!
It's 100% sick-nasty and I absolutely wanna do something cool with it

Currently testing adding more LODs to Solace to see if I can squeeze more performance out. I might end up replacing them though, they have quite a high triangle count per tree lol

oh actually, I just had a tricky idea

The LOD0 model is absolutely unnecessary with everything getting squashed by LC at runtime, and LOD1 has half the # of triangles per tree, so... why not just remove 0 from the equation? >:3c

[limpid portal]

Hell yea I think I just gave Solace like a 10-15 fps boost on my pc

[eager sedge]

oh wow

[native surge]

hey @limpid portal would you say Solace is more like an island island, or epstein's island

like

Would it be at all possible to theme it with piratey treasure

is what im trying to figure out

[limpid portal]

uh

that's a question I never thought I'd see lol

replace that loser's name with "private"
but I could see some piratey treasure there, sure

It's got an abandoned mansion, a radio outpost, and a lighthouse

[drowsy mulch]

and a ||UFO||

[fading yacht]

find a map in the lighthouse, follow it to a red X, whack it with a shovel and a gold bar pops out

[limpid portal]

lmao thanks for the idea 🤭

[native surge]

bbbbbb bwhat?

[drowsy mulch]

explore the map it has neat stuff

[native surge]

ok :D

[limpid portal]

to not get your hopes up tho, I don't have interactables like Wesley does on his moons, at least not yet

[native surge]

yea its cool, wesleys aren't synced anyways so its difficult to use interactibles

[limpid portal]

I moreso meant that nick was just joking 🤭

[limpid portal]

Okay, new update is gonna be huge on performance

I got rid of combined meshes on triskelion and just went with the occlusion culling, and I was getting 240+ fps

[fading yacht]

what were you getting before?

[limpid portal]

200-215 normally, with some place being 225-ish

[fading yacht]

pretty hefty improvement

i don't think we've played on triskelion since the update that added solace so i'm excited to see what it's like when it isn't choppy lmao

[plucky spindle]

so sick!!!

i just tried these moons today and they were pretty alright on performance, but they did dip below 60 at times (which ig is normal for customs)

[limpid portal]

Yea performance optimization is tricky (or expensive if you go the paid asset route 🤭 )

[abstract lark]

tried these moons today, everyone was desynced from each other. half were in the mansion, half were in the factory. someone fell through the floor.

[fading yacht]

this is a LLL issue

[empty tinsel]

oh is it LLL? cause i've seen it a couple times in the modpack im doin where people can have different interiors and some just don't load (especially SCP) and i had no idea what mod is doing it

[fading yacht]

yes you can check out https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1214224631108608070 for more details

[limpid portal]

I think I'll push this performance update tonight

This'll make a few people quite happy I think

But only if I get a "HELL YEA, BROTHER"

[empty tinsel]

HELL YEA, BROTHER ! ‼️ 🗣️

[native surge]

joey doing gods work

[empty tinsel]

I'll do what needs to be done 🫡

[sharp sequoia]

HELL YEAH 🫂🫂🫂🫂 brother

[native surge]

audio knight let us know if the TWO hell yeas wasnt enough! We will literally do anything

[empty tinsel]

I mean there'd be no harm throwing in a third right?

there can never be too many hell yeas

[native surge]

HELL YEAH 😭 😭 (im crying from joy 😘 )

[limpid portal]

Alright, I'm convinced 🤭

btw, not something I'd be doing tonight, but do y'all think the ambience should be louder, or is it just right?

lmao both of my lethalbundles combined come out to 99,943 KB

[eager sedge]

I have no complaints with the current ambiance

[limpid portal]

StarlancerMoons v1.2.0

• StarlancerMoons v1.2.0
  • Big performance update.
    • Cleaned up some trees on Solace.
    • Reworked LODs for trees on Auralis and Solace.
      • As an added bonus, the file size is now smaller!
    • Replaced combined meshes with their original variants and rebaked occlusion on all 3 moons.

[abstract lark]

is the dropship missing music on solace?

[limpid portal]

Yep, forgot to fix that ^^;

[limpid portal]

It'll be fixed next update. Thank you for reminding me!

[limpid portal]

Spoiler for next update: ||Gonna add another fire exit on Solace. Maybe two :3||

[hearty pumice]

the light house doesnt have a fire exit door?

i went there and got scarlet mansion interior and ended having 2 coilheads on both the entrace and the fire exit on my first day after just landing a minute

[limpid portal]

||It will soon||
Wow, that's brutal rng lol

[hearty pumice]

thats the first thing i went to btw

because i thought it was the entrance

then i went to the entrance to greet them Knights

on both the front entrance and the fire exit in the cottage

in the morning no less

the were already active

the game just started in day 1

i was testing mod compatibilities

[limpid portal]

I'm assuming you have some hardcore mod enabled? Cuz if not that's crazy bad luck, Solace is not meant to be that hard

[hearty pumice]

no lol

i cant use hardcore mode. im making a pack for having fun for my group

who is bad in gaming lol

im the only one that kills blind dogs in our group lol

since im keeping them in our ship

ahahaha

i mostly die

cuz they always spawn in packs

as much as possible im trying to make the game tolerable with low end pc too. but the files are too large or that to be an actual option. so i also look into those resolution adjusting stuff via the pc's registry

[empty tinsel]

same with all my friends too, they all went there first

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-jeez-metal-gear-solid-snake-gif-5014677

[hearty pumice]

if only you could make a separate dungeon for a separate fire exit all together

make a separate small area for that light house that people can explore but don't really have scraps in it or mobs

[limpid portal]

That actually may be possible in the future

[limpid portal]

oh that? That's... actually a feasible thing I think

[hearty pumice]

put something that will scare people

[limpid portal]

It's mostly unrelated but you just gave me me an excellent idea

[hearty pumice]

The Cabin in the Woods movie actually gives me this idea really

[limpid portal]

||I'm picturing a room with a ton of inactive coilheads||

[hearty pumice]

things they thinker has various things that gets triggered and activated

lmao

drop them down

and let them climb up lol

[limpid portal]

We hit 1mil!!!

I wanna make a silent hill-esque moon

I keep having moon ideas, but I wanna make an interior ; - ;

[pale mantle]

thats huge! congrats 🥳

[thorn warren]

then make an interior

[limpid portal]

but see

I already know how to make a moon

and learning new things is scary ; - ;

[thorn warren]

then make a moon

if you're gonna procrastinate

then just dont

this isnt exactly a school assignment, you can avoid it

plus arent exteriors basically interiors nowadays, you can have scrap and monsters outside

[limpid portal]

That's a fair point

I don't know if random scrap is though yet

[thorn warren]

with enough moons, eventually itll be added

[limpid portal]

I actually have an idea that would pseudo-randomize scrap, but it wouldn't follow base-game rules

[royal cape]

congratulations🎉

[sharp sequoia]

This is huge!! Congrats!!

[sharp sequoia]

ME TOO

I’ve had that idea for a while

[plucky spindle]

deserved!!! we love to see it!!!

[sharp sequoia]

But I’ve committed to Outer Wilds, I can’t just go for Silent Hill ☹️

Mannn you like spawn in the town and you have to take a little boat to get to the other side of the lake to the hotel

[limpid portal]

I keep waiting for someone to come in here and be like "wow, these maps suck" xD

[thorn warren]

i've said it before

triskeleion sucks

[plucky spindle]

wow these maps SUCK

[thorn warren]

shit design, shit fps (i havent tried it after you said you fixed the fps tho)

[limpid portal]

gaht daym

[plucky spindle]

i think its alright, just there's a LOT of baboons

[thorn warren]

yeah that too

[sharp sequoia]

Damn you ain’t messing around

[thorn warren]

like what was going through your mind putting a million baboons

[sharp sequoia]

I love triskelion 😦

[thorn warren]

thats like putting 5 giant spawns in titan's entrance

balance hello???

[limpid portal]

There's only 6 xD

[plucky spindle]

also, do the little grates fall off? ambient sounds indicate that theyd o but i havent seen any

[thorn warren]

theres more than 6

theres 6 different families MAYBE

the grates are mostly already fallen off

[plucky spindle]

meh, if you have another person w you you're fine

also they seem to all just

gather at the bottom until someone comes out

then they make their way up

[limpid portal]

Okay, I lowered it at one point, then raised it back up with the most recent updates bc I fixed the navmesh

[plucky spindle]

but by the time they do that you're already at the ship

[thorn warren]

mhmm

[limpid portal]

y'all have way different experiences there than I do lmao

at least Xu is an outlier in not liking the design

or they're joking, I can never tell with them

[thorn warren]

no not joking

the design in triskeleion is very bad

looks ugly to say the least

to be clear for future conversationalist readers

this is constructive feedback

[sharp sequoia]

Jesus Christ lmao

[limpid portal]

You should give the latest version a try, if nothing else for the fps improvements. I did change the way the lighting is set up as well, so maybe it'll look a bit better for you

When you say design tho, my mind goes to game design first, not visual ^^;

[thorn warren]

i mean the design itself is also pretty bad, but thats only enemy wise

the actual pathing is "okay"

but visual design, pretty bad for the eyes, like i get what you're going for

kinda like an oil rig type of design because the waters toxic and all

but its just ugly

[limpid portal]

Yea I was definitely going hard industrial for appearance

[thorn warren]

and u failed

imho

[sharp sequoia]

I can’t tell if there’s any sarcasm

[thorn warren]

i already said there isnt

i like auralis though

[limpid portal]

oh you haven't been to Solace yet either, if the last time you played Triskelion was when it had major fps issues

[plucky spindle]

eh i dig it kinda

its pretty different from vanilla shit

which is what i usually want out of a moon

[thorn warren]

yeah i havent tried it yet, im busy modding

[limpid portal]

everything's subjective, and that's fine

different people like different styles

[plucky spindle]

i don't love moons that are just another forest or another desert/mountain or another icey planet unless they do something different w it

[plucky spindle]

ye!

just tryina sprinkle some positives lmao

[limpid portal]

tho I am hoping that Xu likes the visual changes a bit when they get around to it

[plucky spindle]

which is why i dig etern but not kast and why i dig solace but not (insert generic forest planet)

[limpid portal]

I haven't actually seen anything constructive tho, what would you change about it (besides the spawns)?

[thorn warren]

oh constructive as in you asked to be insulted, but i guess in terms of game design I would probably pick a different outside enemy or vary it more, in terms of visuals It just looks like its low quality metal, I would apply some texture on how stuff looks, plus the buildings you enter from look like something from doom, same for auralis and prolly solace if you're using the same thing for your entrances

like you'd think there'd be more than 1 tint of black-gray for the metal

[native surge]

i like the entrances honestly :P

[thorn warren]

you can like em, i just think they look like 144p

[limpid portal]

lmao okay yea I did ask for that I guess
The building material is indeed the same for Auralis and Triskelion, but Solace is an abandoned villa. You're right about the resolution of the textures, I smushed them in an effort to get more performance, but I was thinking of seeing if they could be brought back up, since most of the base game textures seem to 1024

[thorn warren]

also i dont really know how you'd pick a different outside enemy tbf, we dont really have an actual like "bird" enemy that would fit both the aesthetic and the logic

like triskeleion realistically probably should have 0 outside enemies and a million inside enemies

because where the heck would they even come from unless they're like birds

or underwater

[limpid portal]

Also LC does kinda ruin textures at runtime tho, so even bringing up the resolution probably won't help that much.

[sharp sequoia]

uhhhh well now I'm not too sure about my moon anymore lol

I really hope it doesn't blend with the others

[limpid portal]

Time to make a custom outside enemy for Triskelion that's just a giant fish that flops around after you

[plucky spindle]

meh as long as it doesnt use the same fog/ground texture it'll probably look different

[thorn warren]

im not sure how textures work for unity or LC, but I've never heard of a texture you can smush and then bring the resolution back up reliably

[plucky spindle]

for me what makes moons good is the paths to entrances, the overall look

[sharp sequoia]

I don't have any other pics my bad

[plucky spindle]

a moon can look very similar to vanilla ones and still have some cool way of getting in or some cool mechanic/set piece within it that sets it apart completely

like orion's hiding spots for giants

[plucky spindle]

oh no i LOVE this

it already sets itself apart from vanillas by having some older architecture

[limpid portal]

In Unity you can limit the size of the textures in a non-destructive way prior to building, so all I'd have to do it increase the limit again

[drowsy mulch]

I do not trust those who would dislike outer wilds moons

[sharp sequoia]

thank god

I hope it releases some day cause I started early february

@limpid portal uhhh could this be the reason my dropship doesn't work properly

[thorn warren]

i mean i cant say that the vanilla moons look good for hteir entrances either, so idk

they're kinda just a blob

[limpid portal]

So here's the difference between 256 and 1024 in editor with the fog turned off for visibility

[sharp sequoia]

it's honestly not the biggest of changes

especially with the shader

[limpid portal]

Exactly, which is why I felt that it was wasteful performance-wise to worry about it

[thorn warren]

Yeah i think the texture itself juts sucks lol

[limpid portal]

I can understand the criticism of it all being gray tho

Is what it is 🤭 but feedback is always welcome

[wicked radish]

512 is probably the best. you wont see 1024 ingame

[limpid portal]

256 vs 512 closer up

Like I said, I was thinking of bringing the texture size back up a bit anyhow, so it's as good a time as any lol

[wicked radish]

The performance in my experience is completely negligible, but it depends at 512

[limpid portal]

here's the second pic with the normals brought up too

Maybe I should lean into the purple more

[wicked radish]

I think you should keep the normals and mask textures most of the time 1 lower than color. But sometimes (like wood or something) you can bump them up to the same size. Normals are almost not noticable in the base game because all the post-processing zeekers aplies

[limpid portal]

Fair

and I can always just increase the normal scale on a material

I don't think that affects performance

Yea didn't really notice a difference in performance. Textures are still ruined by LC though 🤭

Unless y'all think the background buildings add much, I might get rid of them though, I think they might be the big killer of performance on Triskelion

[thorn warren]

LLL was gonna support multiple interiors at some point, might be nice to have them for that scenario

[limpid portal]

True, that'd be a fun reason to have a jetpack

Also I just tested and getting rid of them does practically nothing for performance lmao

[swift barn]

Triskelion gave me the best laughs with the damn holes on the walkways though

At least it has no fucking Bracken snapping ship person's neck while on terminal out of nowhere

[knotty marten]

im gonna be fr your moons run better on my desktop than wesley's, wht are the performance issues you keep hearing abt?

[limpid portal]

Try as I might I can't seem to get vanilla performance, which I've just discovered is even more odd bc the vanilla scene tri count VASTLY outweighs mine.

But mostly Triskelion lol

I'm wondering if it has something to do with the lighting, but I'll test that theory when I get back home

[knotty marten]

i will say the recent update made the shading inside the ship a bit weird

it's really bright

(only on triskelion)

[limpid portal]

kk I'll see what I can do about that

[knotty marten]

but i think not being able to reach vanilla performance is a given based on the fact that the game needs both bepinex and lll to load it at all

so those two are a guarantee that it doesnt reach vanilla performance

[limpid portal]

I partially agree, but when I reach a relatively steady 240+ on Experimentation and it has 10x the verts that Triskelion has, it tells me something's gotta be up

[tacit echo]

@limpid portal
Just a heads up. There seems to be a typo in your NumberlessPlanetName (I used LLL to get it in the code). It has a space in it "Solace "

Not sure if that's a big issue tho

[knotty marten]

are you testing experimentation with bepinex and lll active as well?

[limpid portal]

Yep

[limpid portal]

Copy that. It should be a non-issue, LLL truncates spaces and special symbols

But I'll fix it anyway

[serene sand]

yo audio knight, if you were to make an interior itd be for triskelion i assume?

[tacit echo]

Yes I played with it yesterday and it worked. I saw the typo cause my mod plays with the terminal and it was acting weird around Solace haha.

[sharp sequoia]

Have you added those lights around the ship? (I haven’t been able to play in a while) maybe that’s it?

[limpid portal]

Yep, they aren't marked as casting shadows, so they just pierce through the ship

[sharp sequoia]

ahh hell yea

[limpid portal]

Making some more tweaks rn tho

Gonna see how swapping volumetric clouds for cloud layers affects performance. I managed to damn-near replicate Triskelion's sky, but with a little extra detail, and since it's not volumetric I'm hoping it'll help performance. The sun doesn't sit behind a cloud layer, at least not that I've figured out yet, but that also gives it that vanilla-esque touch

[sharp sequoia]

I love the pink/purple vibe

[limpid portal]

Yee I think I've improved the sky

[lunar pumice]

You monster

[lunar pumice]

ik i’m late, but congrats 🎉

[thorn warren]

Easiest way to tell if it's your fault, copy paste a vanilla moon, name it smthn else so it loads and just check the difference in fps

[limpid portal]

Might try that later, ty

[formal thorn]

@limpid portal look into unity's profling tools

now that we can run stuff in editor you can find what is demanding in comparison to other moons

[limpid portal]

Will do!

[crimson helm]

I just saw this and instantly recognized it

Awesome work so far

[crimson helm]

gorgeous

[limpid portal]

So I've switched all 3 moons to having a cloud layer instead of volumetric clouds. Fantastic for performance and still produces a beautiful result

[sharp sequoia]

thank youu ❤️ I'm not gonna lie one of my goals is for it to end up in EQM lol

[limpid portal]

This is, again, thanks to @wicked radish's lighting preset package found here: https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1212150109375037511

[sharp sequoia]

this is siiick

[sharp sequoia]

I'm having a problem with my shadows ngl

[limpid portal]

What's up?

[sharp sequoia]

It's kinda weird but my normals seem to make some of my materials extremely dark?

With and without normals

[limpid portal]

in the material there's a slider for normal scale by the normal map texture, does that help the problem?

[sharp sequoia]

here it is at 0.1 and 0.2

at 1 it's completely dark

my normals are set as normals and not default too

and my normals are set to "Calculate" for my meshes

but no matter what I do it stays dark

[limpid portal]

just as a reference, here's what one of my mesh imports looks like

What do your material "Surface Options" look like?

[sharp sequoia]

sorry I was eating

[sharp sequoia]

here's mine mmm

[sharp sequoia]

setting normals to import doesn't change anything btw (in my case)

[limpid portal]

Very strange 🤔 idk why your normals are causing that then

[sharp sequoia]

Me neither, I feel like the meshes are the problem

Since everything is fine except the buildings

[native surge]

Not sure if it’s just me, but I think I’m having lower fps on solace for some reason

Even though triskelion is fine, and auralis (after a little bit) seems to even out

[limpid portal]

Gonna release another performance update in a few 🤭

[native surge]

Ahahsididh

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-ill-drink-to-that-bro-gif-12940340

[native surge]

i feel bad i even asked, man has been cooking fps for us and didnt even tell anyone 😭

[limpid portal]

Well actually

🤭

[lunar pumice]

Off topic, but can I just say “Eyes up, Starlancer.” is such a cool line.

[sharp sequoia]

I think I'll just remove my normals at this point lmfao

[lunar pumice]

It sounds like a quote from a movie that the movie uses as its tagline

When I read some of the patch notes to my bf he also thought the line was really cool

[limpid portal]

It's actually from Destiny. "Eyes up, Guardian"

But I'm glad you like my version ^^

[sharp sequoia]

ohhhh no way

[lunar pumice]

Ahhh, so it is!

Still, yours def stands out

Because stars are up

So you have that double meaning

But the assumption is that it obviously isn’t about stars

So it creates intrigue

[limpid portal]

Whatever could it be? :3c

[lunar pumice]

See I haven’t gotten a chance to try the updates yet unfortunately, so I still don’t know for sure lmfao

Plan to finally try them tonight though

[limpid portal]

Spoiler: ||There's a weight of 1 for outside snare fleas now on Triskelion||

[lunar pumice]

Okay that was my guess!!

Lol

[limpid portal]

It's actually super fair too, because ||of the guaranteed shovel outside||

[lunar pumice]

Oooh I didn’t know about that one 👀

I haven’t explored triskelion much

Nowadays I spend more time on my modpack than I do actually playing lol

After my next update (v4.2.0) it should finally be in a state that I’m happy with though

Then I can start working on a second modpack!

[sharp sequoia]

of course your next update is 420 lol

[lunar pumice]

omg I just realized I need to think of a weed pun for the update

[sharp sequoia]

🤝

[lunar pumice]

I realized right before you reacted lmfao

[lunar pumice]

🤝

Oh god I just thought of the worst pun

It’s so bad it hurt to think of

So this update focuses on adding new moons

“The Dank Side of the Moon”

“High in the Skies”
“Spaced Out”
“Stoned Among the Stars”

[limpid portal]

Definitely go with Dank Side of the Moon

[lunar pumice]

That one’s so painful though

[limpid portal]

Yea, that's why it's the best

Also, idk how close you are to releasing but I'm uploading my update in a few

[lunar pumice]

Considering I’m planning to use Celeste to tease the update, I’m just going to blame you for me using the name lmfao <3

Oh not yet

I’m taking my time with it

[limpid portal]

kk

good, bc I have to run do something and I'm still fiddling with it lol

[lunar pumice]

haha no worries

I don’t plan to release it tonight regardless

[upbeat pike]

hello, im getting an issue loading into the moons where it just never loads, we can move around in the ship and interact with things but we just never load in

[lunar pumice]

Why did I say Celeste

What

I meant Solace

[serene sand]

heya are you using lethalexpansion/lethalexpansioncore?

that and mismatching configs can cause this, ive had it happen

[upbeat pike]

ah yes i am

[serene sand]

try without it just to see if its it, and try with whoever you were trying becuase its a mp bug im pretty sure

[lunar pumice]

I was just thinking of pretty moons ig, and both look good lol

[serene sand]

but before that

try syncing your configs again

in my case we had a weird thing where one of the guys caused the softlock and if i kicekd him the doors woudl open lol

had him reinstall the code and also reinstall starlancer and it worked

but ik LE/LEcore can also do it

[upbeat pike]

looks like lethal expansion did it thank you @serene sand

[serene sand]

np...

if you have moons that need expansion, you can check in their threads to see if they plan on moving to lethal level loader

those 2 together cause problems ive been told

[native surge]

you can use lethal expansion core (LEC) instead of lethal expansion, that fixes most of its bugs

[lunar pumice]

Solace might be my new favourite moon

[lunar pumice]

I'd say if you do this it def should'nt be a single set location

[native surge]

YARR map!!’

I love this :D yayy

[lunar pumice]

I'd say ||the little sand island thing|| would be a good place for something

went to it expecting to find something lol

[limpid portal]

Maybe, but let's not put the cart before the horse, I haven't done interactables yet 🤭

[lunar pumice]

oh i don't necessarrily mean an interactable thing there

just like

something

[limpid portal]

||a landmine||

[lunar pumice]

||that'd be hilarious tbh||

But yeah I don't think you can reach it without like any extra tools

I think ||your oxygen runs out JUST before you make it||

gonna try it again to double check

[native surge]

Man I wish there was a mod that I could use to make shovels spawn on this moon

[lunar pumice]

you can get to it with a jetpack, ladder, and tzp

i'll try it with nothing again

okay you can JUST make it

and that's only bc i ran/jumped in and kept jumping when i was almost thee

you can't make it with just running though

[limpid portal]

Good, let them drown

[lunar pumice]

yeah

seems like a perfect candidate for an easter egg or something

especially considering how out of the way it is

[limpid portal]

Yea, at some point I wanna flesh out stuff more

[sharp sequoia]

I figured it outtttt

yippeee

[sharp sequoia]

I'm so hyped to do mine

interactables are what makes me go back to a moon, weirdly

[limpid portal]

Nice! What was wrong?

[sharp sequoia]

They were height maps, meaning that I had to turn "Create from Grayscale" on

This is such a relief

[limpid portal]

ohhhhh

good find :3

[sharp sequoia]

:))) every texture looks drastically different now, I'll have to get used to it

[limpid portal]

Well I'm encountering a weird issue where I'm falling through Solace, so it'll be a liiiiiiiiiittle bit longer before update

Okay nvm, I think it was some negative scaled box colliders messing with things

[sharp sequoia]

fastest diagnostic in the west

[limpid portal]

StarlancerMoons v1.3.0

• StarlancerMoons v1.3.0
  • Changes are for each moon unless otherwise specified.
  • Another chonky performance update.
  • Swapped out the volumetric clouds for cloud layers. They're more performant and I think they actually look better.
  • Adjusted fog thickness.
  • Changed the global volumes that contained general fog settings to local volumes in order to prevent fog settings from affecting interiors.
  • Added fog exclusion zones around key areas
  • Solace
    • Added 2 fire exits. Increased dungeon size multiplier from 1.25x to 1.35x to account for the increased number of entrances.
    • Replaced some trees to prevent them from clipping through the ship.
    • Smoothed out some terrain near the ship that was potentially causing players to clip through the map.
    • Fixed missing tree colliders.

[fading yacht]

i can't believe your moons don't run better than the vanilla ones with how many optimizations you've made at this point

[silk tusk]

they're big as hecc

tis hard to make it run better than moons 2x smaller than them o -o

[limpid portal]

It's funny you mention that, because even though my moons are bigger area wise, they have less mesh vertices and more stuff going on in them, like triggers and environmental obstacles

[native surge]

Triskelion and Auralis both run super well for me, about the same as vanilla!

[limpid portal]

Give them a try once the update actually hits r2, I think might've matched them near-abouts

Same to you Lovestruck

[fading yacht]

haven't even played since the last performance update lol

next time should be soon though so i'll let you know whenever that is

[limpid portal]

Kk! I'm hoping to take a small break from the moons and start down another avenue

[fading yacht]

does it perhaps rhyme with schminterior

[native surge]

O?

[limpid portal]

That'd be schmidiculous

[native surge]

audio, i spent some time on solace again and it STILL seems to be a little laggy (playable and better than last time!, but also definitely slower than your other moons...)
I'm thinking, maybe it has something to do with either shaders or shadows? As I played I noticed several times that there were some slight bugs occuring where the room would get super bright a couple times, typically in quick succession

Besides that, I can't think of anything different from your other moons

besides water

I really feel like it’s something to do with shadows/shaders/whatever is making the interior bright sometimes

I’ll keep testing tomorrow :)

[serene sand]

does flooded do anything on solace lol

[limpid portal]

Was there anywhere in particular that was laggy?
And I'm not sure what to do regarding the interior, I already made it so that global fog didn't do anything inside, idk what could cause brightness issues.

[limpid portal]

Pretty sure it does lol

[eager sedge]

Flooded is mostly harmless until the last hours of the day on Solace, but even then it really doesn't do much there.

It is fun to watch the ocean rise up like that though

[limpid portal]

So what you're saying is that I need to make it cover the ship by noon
:3

[eager sedge]

Hah, I dunno about that early. But maybe by like 4-5?

[limpid portal]

I'll tweak it later. For now it can be just a fun thing

[serene sand]

hmm

its downhill...

mostly only the ship gets flooded there

i think youd have to add like, a rock or something to the landing area at least lol

something to jump on

since its a big plain zone there

but, ive never seen it flood that late

[limpid portal]

Yea I guess it is kinda in a valley

[sharp sequoia]

I really wonder what kind of interactables you’ll make

[limpid portal]

A big red button that says "Do Not Press" and if you press it ||you just drop dead on the spot||

[quartz mason]

Not the button again

[limpid portal]

Oh no did you already make that Wesley? 🤭

[sharp sequoia]

Oh god not again

I think it’s its own mod

[limpid portal]

Oh like the eject one?

[quartz mason]

No lol
I got "Don't touch me" flashbacks

[sharp sequoia]

Oh yes that’s the mod’s name

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Kittenji/Dont_Touch_Me/

Almost 500k downloads wth

[quartz mason]

They didn't listen

[limpid portal]

Incredible

[hearty pumice]

Dont Touch Me has bugs?

i never touched that since it said so lol

[lone roost]

finally took a trip to the moons after delaying for so long, and oh my god i wish there was some sort of mod to make moons not all available at once so i could have both this and wesley's moons without too much variety. solace is STUNNING

only seen solace so far, going to the others soon

[limpid portal]

I'm so glad you like it! ^^

[sharp sequoia]

Man I was very wrong, they weren't heightmaps. If anyone asks you this in the future, they're basically compiled normals and they the normals need to be "swizzled". The Red channel has to be set to the Green one and the Green channel has to be set to 1 minus Alpha. This was way too hard to figure out, but thank god I did. (First pic before, second pic after)

Sorry to bother you with this, I just didn't want you to spread my mistake haha

[limpid portal]

get swizzled, I guess 🤭

[sharp sequoia]

lmfao

[lone roost]

auralis looks almost just as good as ever, but something felt off since last time i visited. i think last time i visited it was dark by default like the other snowy moons. speaking of, i think the snowstorm of those other snowy moons would fit auralis

[limpid portal]

Yee, I'm still trying to find a balance of "thick snow cover" and "ooh the environment is so pretty"

[lone roost]

do you have screenshots of all the moons at night? bit lazy to wait

[sharp sequoia]

I'm finally able to try Solace

and of course it's raining

I see you're having problems with your dropship

[lone roost]

@limpid portal gwa

[limpid portal]

am I? o-o

[sharp sequoia]

The music isn't at the right place is it?

[limpid portal]

sadly no lol

[lone roost]

aw maan

[sharp sequoia]

I'm hearing it right next to the ship, almost opposite of where it lands

[limpid portal]

LMAO I know exactly what you're talking about

[sharp sequoia]

drowing in the mansion's spa

Could this be a... || 👽 ||

[limpid portal]

Thanks for noticing this, it'll be fixed next update

[sharp sequoia]

||I love the fire exit under the little shack, you could maybe add a little tune if the radio is interacted with?||

[limpid portal]

||Planning on it :) ||

[sharp sequoia]

legend

[lone roost]

i have lots to say about triskelion, but while i write my thoughts have this

[limpid portal]

The sun never sets on the hawk empire

[sharp sequoia]

I'm really impressed by Solace, the layout is solid and the rich cartel leader mansion aesthetic is on point. It maybe lacks a liiiittle vegetation, like bushes or something similar. But I really like it :))

[lone roost]

oh yyeah bushes on solace would be nice

[sharp sequoia]

I'm glad I could finally try it

[limpid portal]

Once I figure out how best to go about it without crippling the performance, I'll be on it ✨

[sharp sequoia]

Hell yeah 🔥

[native surge]

Flip your headphones around

[sharp sequoia]

Eyes up, Starlancer

[sharp sequoia]

🤯

[lone roost]

my vaguely assorted triskelion thoughts:

1. having hawks as the main enemy is REALLY refreshing, absolutely love it!
2. when i heard of it being a mining whatever situated above a gas giant, i thought it was going to have a view more like sfdesat's space station. would love something like that instead of green "gas" (water)
3. about the gas, i think it would make sense having it have a layer of volumetric fog above it so it actually looks like gas
4. would be nice if some of the holes were easier to see, i did not mind the gap first time i landed because i could hardly see it

(writing more, but they have images to go along with them so i'm posting them seperately)

[limpid portal]

kk, once you have all your thoughts down I'll reply to them

[lone roost]

5. having fire exits on the background buildings connected by bridges so you have to venture even deeper to find proper fire exits that actually connect to the ship (like two fire exits on Gratar from wesley's moons) might be cool

6. it might be cool for triskelion to mostly be black with lots of artifical lights instead of purple-ish like it is currently

that should be most of my thoughts

@limpid portal

[limpid portal]

1. Glad you think so! I wanted to give them a chance to exist 🤭
   2 & 3) I'll be working on improving the visuals to make its appearance match the lore, it's just a bit tricky
2. skill issue
3. I love that idea
4. I see where you're coming from, but I like the otherworldly purple-ness. That would also exacerbate #4 for you xD

@lone roost

[lone roost]

looking cool is priority over being able to see what spots will send me falling into the depths below

[sharp sequoia]

yes

[lone roost]

but being able to see what spots will send me falling into the depths below is second priority

[limpid portal]

Follow-up for #4: Bring a flashlight 🤭

[eager sedge]

I think Triskelion is one of the best designed modded moons as is, honestly. Has a unique atmosphere thanks to the pinks and greens, fantastic layout that makes full use of the hawk's AI patterns, the perfect amount of fire exits (Which sometimes need to be used to un-aggro the hawks, even). The holes are silly, but not too bad and you can memorize them pretty easily after a few runs.

[lone roost]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cute-kitten-kitten-relax-gif-1698430789092679192

[limpid portal]

I kinda love Autumnis' idea for more fire exits off in the distance tho, ngl

[lone roost]

actually you could revive an idea i had long ago of a fire exit just being fake (leading to a broken stairway that leads nowhere) which i had before gratar even existed

unfortunately that idea never came to be because i thought that 1: making moons too hard, 2: moon mods are maybe too saturated

but maybe i could try and collaborate with someone to make a moon some time (standing offer by the way)

would help me learn unity too

[limpid portal]

Making moons isn't that hard if you have a good tutorial :3c
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1210653206225363018

But I understand not knowing Unity makes it intimidating

[lone roost]

having someone else to work with for ideas and such would still be nice though

oh yeah, and i don't have anything to spend on assets

[limpid portal]

There's some pretty good free ones out there. Aside from Auralis' terrain and my trees, I think most of what I've used have been free assets

[limpid portal]

But feel to bounce ideas off me whenever you like

[serene sand]

hmm

i think trisk and auralis look fairly the same

sure about tris kbut not sure about auralis

[lone roost]

well then i will! my current idea is a derelict freighter with a relatively complex exterior that has some inside enemies outside (via starlancer AI fix of course)

maybe a crashed freighter instead of just one floating in space if i can get that to be cooler

[silk tusk]

nb4 new map idea: randomized holes + tiles that'll eventually start to creak and fall off

after 7PM - at least 7 square tiles that used to be normal/stable-looking fall down

punishing you for being out there in the dark >:D

[limpid portal]

???

[serene sand]

at night i mean

my messages mustve lagged

someone asked what they look like

and im thinking trisks purpleyish sky looks the same at night lol

[limpid portal]

As fun and evil as that would be on my end, that's probably too much an intermediate moon 🤭

[silk tusk]

Understandable - mhm mhm

[limpid portal]

That'd be dope! I do have an idea for landing on a spaceship.
I also have some more... eccentric ideas, just haven't gotten around to them

[silk tusk]

so let's agree in the middle. A meteor destroys half the map at 3pm. Mhm

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-26077231

[serene sand]

works

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-cat-nod-cat-nodding-cute-cat-gif-23793862

[silk tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26293253

[serene sand]

i made lockers n boombas spawn more often in triskelion because it just fits :)

generally robotic lookin place

[silk tusk]

i may take this, cause this is definitely one of my most used emotes -w-

[autumn sundial]

played around with the new update(s) and thought i'd report my performance as someone with an ancient gpu with 2gb of vram

solace before, ran anywhere from 37-52 fps, depending on where i was facing. with the newest update, around the ship and lighthouse i get ~43-50 fps, but in all other areas i get 55-60

triskelion was always the worse performing one for me by a long shot, fluctuating anywhere from 35 to 49. new update though hasn't dropped below 48, and even actually goes up to 60 now in some places, which is a massive increase :)

auralis before would be around 36-40 around the ship, then shoot up to 50+ once i walked away. now it's around 42-45 next to the ship, and shoots up to a pretty much consistent 60 in all other areas.

[limpid portal]

Hell yea! I can now rest easy with my performance concerns 😌

How do vanilla moons run for you?

[autumn sundial]

worse is probably march, but it's like 40 around the ship and 55-60 once i walk away

so like, pretty close to vanilla now i'd say

[limpid portal]

Excellent. Can't wait to ruin the performance again by adding grass 🤭

I'll keep things as optimized as I can going forward

Y'know, I just realized
Since "inside lighting" or w/e the toggle is for when you go into the dungeon essentially deactivates the direct and indirect lighting from the players perspective, I think anything parented UNDER DirectLight could be toggled too. Hm.

That's worth testing, if nothing else

[lunar pumice]

Oh I forgot to mention this last night

The ||UFO|| doesn’t have collision

[limpid portal]

Copy that

[drowsy mulch]

I assumed it was intentional

[limpid portal]

Fixed, will be part of the next update :3

[drowsy mulch]

But if not same goes for the mushrooms

[lunar pumice]

Dang that was quick

[limpid portal]

Slapping some colliders on a thing is pretty easy lol

[unkempt verge]

why are you hiding that under spoilers as if its hard to find?

[lunar pumice]

True

some people haven’t tried the map yet

I know I enjoyed looking for everything

[limpid portal]

It can be considered an easter egg since it's not necessarily part of the intended play area

[unkempt verge]

I guess.

[lunar pumice]

I’m just giving it a few days or so since it’s a bit of an Easter egg

Tried to find the ||shovel|| on triskelion (iirc this is still being spoilered by audio knight) last night but couldn’t lol

Gonna take another look today

[limpid portal]

Also fixed, just for the ones that are big enough to warrant it

[drowsy mulch]

Fair enough for what I thought was intentional already

You make those mushrooms?

[hearty pumice]

woah. my type of area. so when do i get to kill them?

[limpid portal]

Nope, asset I owned. I'm not much of a 3d modeler 🤭

[drowsy mulch]

Gotcha

[hearty pumice]

as someone that always hunt them on sight. i got a bit excited seeing a ton of them

tho i really want to kill those spore lizards

[limpid portal]

lmao the number in that pic are far more than spawn naturally 🤭 but they are the primary outside enemy

[hearty pumice]

i tried it once. i added regeneration and kept hitting them nonstop while a friend of mine watched me do it. 5 minutes straight of hitting the spore lizard like i was smoking vape. and my friend told me, "I dont think its dying"

so i left it alone lol

[hearty pumice]

oh i left the others outside because a giant chased me

[limpid portal]

Yea they're immune to damage 🤭

[hearty pumice]

my nemesis when im hunting birds

Forest Giant

i had to leave the 13 birds i left in the island

[limpid portal]

Sorry I meant in this pic, not yours

[hearty pumice]

oh that

spawn in i think. but yeah. fun hunt

[royal cape]

...

[hearty pumice]

tho i dont think thats a lot really

[royal cape]

It's.....

[hearty pumice]

i went to a custom moon and those kept spawning

i think it was Aquatis

[drowsy mulch]

That sounds right

[hearty pumice]

since i tampered the time to 25 minutes per moon land time to loot. there were a ton of birds

i only ran away cuz of the Forest Giant

i shouldve picked them up

i still want a way to kill those Giants

and bring them as a trophy

like how i bring the blind dog in the ship

[drowsy mulch]

I believe the "EverythingCanDie" mod would enable that at least partially

[hearty pumice]

but the corpses said to disappear tho

also i dont want to kill the coil heads

stall yes or stun them but temp

but not straight up kill them

i mean they cant really attack when you look at them

tho giants. i need some flash nades

and shotgun

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[hearty pumice]

that suit is nice in game with the shotgun

even the non model replacement suit of that is nice

i mean the normal suit actually resembles that guy's suit

[plucky spindle]

how the fuck LMAO

[native surge]

I’m not sure if it WORKS, but I did see a mod that lets you kill Giants if you stun them with zap gun for 5 seconds

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/kim_bird/kill_a_giant/

[plucky spindle]

me and my friend are having weather desync

she sees foggy solace i see flooded solace

also the fog inside flashed baby blue for a bit

like, the darkness fog

also

i can see inside thru these lmao

[native surge]

right! I keep getting that too

Is solace laggy for you at all?

[native surge]

maybe try using weather tweaks?

(unless youre already using that)

[plucky spindle]

nope, im not

does that fix weather desync?

it happens on most moons but since this is a populated thread i figured i'd ask here

[native surge]

desync typically doesn't happen because of the moon, it happens because of LLL issues

Are you using the most recent LLL?

[plucky spindle]

ah i realized i dont have lllfix lmao

thats probablyw hy

i thought i did but ig not