Starlancer Moons v3.2.0 / Starlancer Warehouse v1.7.0

[lunar pumice]

my steps are a little weird lol

[sharp sequoia]

Brother you need to see a doctor

[lunar pumice]

Happening on E Gypt too

[native surge]

I actually thought that was a feature, for figuring out how to retrace your steps…

[limpid portal]

Huh, do you have any movement speed mods??

[lunar pumice]

Nope

[lunar pumice]

Completely Unmodded vs Modded:

[limpid portal]

what moon is that?

[lunar pumice]

Rend or Dine

[limpid portal]

Okay so it's happening on vanilla moons too at least

[lunar pumice]

It seemingly happens on any surface tracks appear on

[limpid portal]

That's very strange

[lunar pumice]

If I have time before work I’ll hop on and see if it happens on the old version of my modpack

Did a lot of changes last night so one of them may have caused it

[limpid portal]

kk, lemme know, I'm curious as to what would do that lol

[lunar pumice]

Same lol, it’s a very weird issue

[raven mica]

does anyone know where i put the code on r2modman

for the mods

[raven mica]

cheers

[bronze girder]

imagine if starlancer moons had a chance for their own weather modification something like a slight starfall or something lmao

[limpid portal]

I wish lol

I had an idea for a meteor swarm at one point

Would sorta be reskinned lightning, mechanically, but with more aoe

[crimson helm]

I think someone is working on that

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1195805080654450749

https://streamable.com/q6hhyu

Looks like the dev hasn't posted any updates in a few weeks though

[frozen dove]

Same energy

[limpid portal]

Exactly!

[frozen dove]

Also i've been playing a good bit of Auralis with a few tweaks but i've noticed outside is a bit too quiet, besides the odd owl hoot there is 0 ambience, maybe a blowing wind sound could help? 👀

[limpid portal]

Yee, I just haven't gotten around to adding ambience yet

Too busy enabling war crimes for moon makers

[frozen dove]

An understandable ambition, I take it that's the AI mod?

[limpid portal]

Yep! If you haven't been keeping with it on its own post, I now consider it feature-complete, and I'll be working on some other stuff

[raven mica]

how do i export my mods to someone who doesnt have r2modman installed

[limpid portal]

They'll need to download it, and import the code you can share from "Export profile as a code"

[opal mauve]

Moooon

[limpid portal]

🌑 ?

[frozen dove]

Hey @limpid portal

Baboon hawks made a nest here and got stuck staring up at the ship and wouldn't move 🤔

Also eclipsed wasn't synced with the sun 😅

[limpid portal]

Interesting, I'll take a peek later. I think I need more AI nodes outside to expand the choices they can have for nests

[frozen dove]

I've only ever seen them make nests on that wide platform in front of the 3 fire exits 🤔

[limpid portal]

Well hopefully expanding the housing market helps 🤭

[sharp sequoia]

Hey knight! Do you know how to add vertices to your terrain? My cliffs are too steep and the texture stretches and I can’t paint proper holes :/ anything would help thank you!

[limpid portal]

I do not, unfortunately 😬

[sharp sequoia]

Oke thank you anyway!

[sharp sequoia]

Do you know what you want to do next for your mod?

I just thought of that, but a hell moon would be siiiick

[limpid portal]

I do have some dark fantasy assets that I'd love to mess around with, but the next moon will actually be rather peaceful looking 🤭

[opal mauve]

PEACEFUL? NOOO

jk, I love me a good easy tier moon

[onyx dirge]

Yippeeee, peace

[autumn sundial]

manticoil fulfills their dream of being a rotisserie chicken

[onyx dirge]

manticoil moment

[limpid portal]

Manticoils are so dumb I love them

One of my favorite things they do is slide across the ground like they've been slathered in oil and hit with a hockey stick

[onyx dirge]

Who needs rolling giants when we have rolling manticoils 😂

[frozen dove]

I never knew baboon hawks beat up manticoils til I played Triskelion 😭😭

[fathom dirge]

Ooh a chance to use scoop'ys dungeon interior?

[limpid portal]

Who's to say I wouldn't create my own tileset to go with it? :3c

[sharp sequoia]

No wayyyyy

I wanted to ask you if that was something you wanted to do

[limpid portal]

I'd like to, just gotta learn DunGen first 🤭

[sharp sequoia]

Yeah that’s the hard part haha

[pliant blade]

i feel like sometime you should make a new weather. (idk)

the name starlancer makes me think of like meteor crystals and shooting stars or something lol

i love these moons

[sharp sequoia]

That’s something someone tried doing

I’m pretty sure they gave up

[pliant blade]

starstruck :/

no they didnt give up

🙂

DISCORD DONT TURN MY : ) INTO 🙂

[sharp sequoia]

🙂

They didn’t??

Ohh they updated today

Been a while

[pliant blade]

no, the : ) to 🙂 thing has been there for years

i just added a space between the : and the )

so it didnt do it

[proud hornet]

:)

: )

mine didn't

[pliant blade]

what the -

🙂

[proud hornet]

:)

anyway loving the two moons so far

[pliant blade]

out of the like, 90 moons i can choose from in my modpack. these two are poggers

[frozen dove]

90? Jesus man I've got like 4, the quality of most of em is quite rough, reminds me of maps I'd make in the far cry 2 map maker

[pliant blade]

🫡

[sharp sequoia]

Oh I was talking about the starstruck dev

lol 🙂

[onyx dirge]

:)

[limpid portal]

||[REDACTED] is now processing||

Released my tutorial!
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1210653206225363018

[onyx dirge]

:0

[limpid portal]

I'm so exhausted lmao

I've recorded plenty of videos before, but never a tutorial, and I just kept tripping over my words ; w ;

[onyx dirge]

The exhausted king sits back on their throne after becoming everything for a month ✨

[silk tusk]

fuckin... O m f g. Thanks for that info

:P :P - FINALLY

[limpid portal]

You're welcome ✨

[silk tusk]

the stupid emote :P turned into is NOT what I'd want

😛 =/= :P

😋 is closer to :P

SEE THE P FAR TO ONE SIDE DISCORD? <_<

Anyways- ty

[limpid portal]

:þ

[silk tusk]

What is this madness

[limpid portal]

þorn

[thorn warren]

Reminder that #mod-showcase exists and that you should post in it

[limpid portal]

Idk how to talk about my current plans in a post, but kk! ^^;

imposter syndrome is reaaaaaaaaaal

[thorn warren]

Could always just post about what you have right now lel

It's a form of advertisement, you could just post whenever you get a new moon or any new big exciting features too

[limpid portal]

Okie. I'll make a general summary post later then with some teasers at the end I guess

[thorn warren]

Fun!

[thorn warren]

Hush

[limpid portal]

[thorn warren]

He probably noticed I sent this to a bunch of threads lol

[limpid portal]

ohhhh

I thought I was special 😔

[thorn warren]

Sorry its me not you 💔

[limpid portal]

Just wanted to let y'all know I'm putting my moons back on the grill. Gonna get back to cookin' now that the AI Fix is in a good place and the tutorial is out >:3c

[hot yew]

woo!

[limpid portal]

This next update will feature visual improvements to Auralis and Triskelion and the addition of ambient noises (both general ambience and insanity noises)

It's possible I'll release a new moon soon

But it's still in the early stages of development

[thorn warren]

https://tenor.com/view/now-now-cat-now-now-now-now-cat-nopeify-gif-23687708

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-gif-26154700

[thorn warren]

you broke the poor kitty's heart

[limpid portal]

time heals all something something

[thorn warren]

not true based on personal experience

[limpid portal]

In case anyone wants a sneak peek at the next update, here's a line from the patchnotes:
||Added a certain interior enemy outside. Flowers now grow amongst the trees.||

[sharp sequoia]

Mmmmm

||Not bracken outside on Auralis oh god please no 🤯||

[quartz mason]

||how many bracken moons are there going to be lol||

[sharp sequoia]

||too many||

I died to one on Cosmocos and it was the scariest shit ever

I did not expect it

[quartz mason]

||I love watching them slowly sneak up on people in the ship||

[silent tusk]

3 out of 4 of my group fell thru the floor on auralis, this was happening on other modded moons and we've been slowly fixing them, but idk why it happened this time

[limpid portal]

Uhh, like the terrain, or the interior?

[limpid portal]

||I have the divine right to put anything anywhere||

[fading yacht]

||does outside bracken still cause major lag||

[quartz mason]

||true||

[thorn warren]

be careful with putting brackens anywhere

their AI is...

well, it causes massive lag

[silent tusk]

interior, terrain works fine

[thorn warren]

from what i've heard, when its inside, it always tries to leave the facility so causes massive lag doign something it cant

thats why only one can ever spawn at any time

[formal thorn]

starlancer dungeon wen

[limpid portal]

Not with my AI fix, as far as I can tell

[limpid portal]

Ah, nothing I can about that on my end. I don't touch the interior yet

[thorn warren]

i assumed your AI fix only lets them be able to spawn outside, didnt realise it touched into their actual AI too

[limpid portal]

once I learn DunGen

[limpid portal]

I don't touch them directly, but the fix makes them aware of the correct nodes. But if anyone finds that brackens still cause massive outdoor lag with the fix I'll look into it

[thorn warren]

its not outdoor lag tho, its the vanilla brackens having terrible AI

well maybe theres outdoor lag, i havent tried that personally

[limpid portal]

My testing has definitely had them behave appropriately, but I recommend experiencing it for yourself 🤭

Here's an edit @opal mauve did of a screenshot I took while testing

[limpid portal]

I'll go ahead and put this in a spoiler, but here's the vibe for the next moon:
||Island Mansion||

[limpid portal]

I love free Unity store assets

y'all are gonna love the next moon

[thorn warren]

as long as its not as laggy as triskeleton im sure itll do wonders

[proud hornet]

||Reminds me of the time when a Bracken was on the ship just before oneo f my friends pulled the lever and slowly moves toward the Bracken, backwards||

||Scary shit (I was spectator so he never knew until me and other dead ppl told him)||

[limpid portal]

Oh? I haven't seen any reports lately of it being laggy

[thorn warren]

not super laggy, just a general fps drop compared to the normal moons

like from 60 to 40 - 50

[limpid portal]

Ah, okay. I'll look into it before the next update. I get near-identical performance as on vanilla moons, but there might be something left that I can bump down

[fading yacht]

yeah triskelion is a bit laggier than usual for me

same with auralis but it's not quite as bad

[native surge]

poor girl :(

[limpid portal]

Copy, I'll see what I can do :)

[uneven plover]

could it have been when i asked if the lod could be changed for the metal floors so the opacity wouldn't be popping in?

[limpid portal]

Haven't pushed that change yet 🤭

It's tough to balance bc everyone has different PC specs

[fading yacht]

i mean, i know it'll never be exact, but shouldn't everything be roughly the same speed if you're using vanilla planets as a benchmark

because i get better performance on vanilla planets, even huge ones like vow and march

[limpid portal]

Ideally yea, but I have to rely on the public testing performance. I get ~240 fps on Auralis, Triskelion, Titan, and Rend/Dine (though i should run a quick test in a bit to see how Vow/March runs)

But LC also has other performance optimizations going for it like combined meshes and terrain2mesh which I don't have

[fading yacht]

ah that'd probably do it

[limpid portal]

@manic lava Thank you~

[native surge]

I wonder, what kind of mechanics are you planning for these moons? :P

It sounds very interesting…

[limpid portal]

||It's a secret to everybody.||

[thorn warren]

Panic

[limpid portal]

Would anyone like a new moon tonight?

[thorn warren]

Nah

we good

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

/j

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/gghh-gif-5517916476716325428

[hot yew]

https://tenor.com/view/petting-chicken-yes-sure-suspicious-agree-gif-14759770

[limpid portal]

Teaser. Might not get it posted tonight, putting some extra love into it ✨

[stone cairn]

oh shit new moon lets gooooooooo

[uneven plover]

smol

[limpid portal]

If you zoom in, you can find
||I dunno, something probably||

[stone cairn]

||fetus island?||

[limpid portal]

oh great, that image is stuck in my head forever

[stone cairn]

LMFAOO

[uneven plover]

you just ruined their own moon for them

[limpid portal]

Just gonna try and shake that out of my head lol

I just need to set up a custom ambience, then test all 3 moons and make sure they work 🤭

[limpid portal]

Oops, almost forgot to let ||masked|| spawn

[thorn warren]

wow how convenient, makes for a perfect little teaser

gotta love these coincidences

(im sorry if im sarcasticly mean, it happens sometimes)

[native surge]

Using MoreInteriors’ rum bottles, Ganimedes’ chests/large chests, and Infernis’ raw gold, I am going to make this into a treasure island :P

[limpid portal]

Creation of new moon is more or less done. Gonna test in the morning then push out new updates for Moons and AIFix

[stone cairn]

this is the "peaceful" moon you were talking about right? 👀

[limpid portal]

Yee :3
But don't worry, it's not harmless, that'd just be boring 🤭

[fathom dirge]

Is it going to be another aquatis where will be swarmed by the baboon hawk horde? 🤣

[limpid portal]

lmao no, you'll have to visit Triskelion for that 🤭

Speaking of which, I think I finally ironed out the last of the navmesh issues there, so maybe some more hawks are needed 🤔

[thorn warren]

Lol I remember getting a weird bug on that moon I stopped going there

Used a fire exit which put me into a spider Web which when leaving made my character perma slowed with Web effect

[frozen dove]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that's just a vanilla bug

[limpid portal]

Yea me either lol

[thorn warren]

I tried clarifying it was vanilla LOL

[limpid portal]

Lmaooo good job discord

[limpid portal]

Making a custom config for StarlancerMoons, what kind of options are typical for moons?

Obviously enabling/disabling and routing price

[thorn warren]

Doesn't LLL already provide stuff like that for configs?

[limpid portal]

Yea, but I keep seeing reports of bugs with duplications and everything. Or have people largely figured it out?

Plus I can disable LLL making a config for my stuff and it should remove them from itself

[thorn warren]

Hmm idk tbh!

[limpid portal]

@_@

I certainly don't wanna put it more work than necessary, but I'm not sure Batby is gonna keep the config set-up as is.
I guess I'll just hold off on it for now tho

[limpid portal]

I now have a 3rd moon in my assetbundles, and I'm still under 100mb bc I'm a god

[native surge]

Can’t wait :P

[limpid portal]

Just making some gnarly performance optimizations :3

[limpid portal]

Okay so I put out an AIFix update earlier and that ate into my moon time, but I'm decreeing rn that StarlancerMoons v1.0.0 will be released tomorrow

(Currently midnight for me 🤭 )

[sharp sequoia]

No wayyyyy

[limpid portal]

okay so more AIFix shenanigans ate my time today, but since technically I posted the decree after midnight, I'm actually not going to be late, just later than anticipated 🤭

[limpid portal]

but also I'm so sorry

[uneven plover]

just remember that no one is forcing you to make your mods, make them at your own pace

[thorn warren]

I'm holding you at gunpoint

[limpid portal]

well between Bongo and Xu I'm both relaxed and terrified

Good news tho, just did a test of the moons and the performance improvements I've made are significant

I've bumped Triskelion from averaging 180-190fps to 220-230fps. So still some room for improvement compared to vanilla, but way better

[sharp sequoia]

What the hell that's insane

how tho

[limpid portal]

✨ Mesh Combining 💫

[sharp sequoia]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

amazing

[limpid portal]

Also trying out @wicked radish's physically-based lighting on my new moon. Even if I don't end up using it, their resources are worth a look
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1212150109375037511

[sharp sequoia]

I'm literally doing that as we speak lmao

I'm a bit confused tho

[limpid portal]

?

[sharp sequoia]

Paste everything inside ChildrenUnderLighting under the Lighting asset in the Hierarchy and paste everything inside ChildrenUnderSunAnimContainer under the SunAnimContainer asset in the Hierarchy

this sentence just makes my brain explode

[sharp sequoia]

beautiful, thank you hahahaha

[limpid portal]

Here's how you make them movable

[sharp sequoia]

is Lighting under Environment or it has no parents

[limpid portal]

Yep, Environment

[sharp sequoia]

okay okay I think I understand

[fading yacht]

love that

[wicked radish]

you can remove the ChildrenUnder objects

[limpid portal]

Yea I'm just leaving them for testing right now to keep things organized in case I decide not to use them. It looks really good out-of-the-box though, great work

[wicked radish]

I just couldn't export the entire Lighting asset because that would have to include some scripts from the LC files

[wicked radish]

Yeah if you want a more performant way you can disable the volumetric clouds and use Cloud Layers instead

[sharp sequoia]

so this is good?

[wicked radish]

This is how it is intended, but it doesn't really matter. Its just for organization

[sharp sequoia]

Ahh perfect

[limpid portal]

@wicked radish If you disable these, does the physical sky create a sun image?

You have to disable the SunTexture and EclipseObject for it to look good (Although maybe not necesarry?). Meaning there is no visual reference for eclipsed weather.

[sharp sequoia]

stupid question but I still haven't changed my skybox and I was wondering where I could do that

[wicked radish]

Yes it uses The DirectLight celestial body to create the sun in the sky. And the MoonLight at night

[limpid portal]

Sick. So in theory leaving the eclipse object active will match it with the sun and block it out like in vanilla then?

[wicked radish]

If you have a global volume. make an HDRI Sky override and set the skytype to HDRI

[wicked radish]

Yes, problem is that it doesnt match up by default you have to manually adjust it in the day-night animation

[limpid portal]

ahh I see

I'm assuming since it's not in your package already that you haven't found the right settings?

[wicked radish]

i have not

[sharp sequoia]

I have downloaded a skybox, but it doesn't show up as it's not a cubemap? is there a way to make it one

idk I'm a bit confused

[wicked radish]

Set this to cube when you click on the texture

[sharp sequoia]

oh god

this looks... interesting

I'll retry, I clearly messed something up

[wicked radish]

Maybe you had the old lighting volumes and sun still enabled?

[wicked radish]

that looks fine

[sharp sequoia]

yeahh

i think it's the skybox

do I change the 6 textures to be cubes?

[wicked radish]

Try it with the ESO milky way texture that is included in the package to see if the skybox is the problem

[sharp sequoia]

it's not the skybox

I probably screwed something up?

is this all fine?

[wicked radish]

Enable Exposure Compensation in the HDRI sky override

[sharp sequoia]

well well well this looks more like it

it's way darker tho, but I think that's normal

[wicked radish]

Btw if you use HDRI sky the sun will not be rendered. So an alternate solution you can try is putting your skybox in the Space Emission Texture in the Physically Based Sky and putting the multiplier to like 20. And change the ground tint to black.

And play around with the Zenith and Horizon Tins

[limpid portal]

Before and after :3

[sharp sequoia]

that looks much much better!

[sharp sequoia]

those are awesome what the hell

@wicked radish is there a way to remove the clouds completely?

[wicked radish]

yes just disable them

[sharp sequoia]

WOA thank you

it looks so incredibly close to what I had in mind now

thank you so much

[limpid portal]

sf Desat is 🐐ed

[sharp sequoia]

for reallllll

[wicked radish]

you can mess around with everything and see how to works and adjust it

[sharp sequoia]

it looks pretty cool

it looks very exposed tho, but that was to be expected

the bottom half of the skybox is black tho 😦

what the hell this is beautiful! at 1pm tho?

[royal cape]

When will your moon come out?

[sharp sequoia]

I'm not really sure, as it's pretty empty right now...

Maybe in a week if I work a few hours on it every day

[wicked radish]

You can adjust the sun strength maybe?

[royal cape]

Can you help me set up the water?

[wicked radish]

The water currently doesn't work in-game, because you need to adjust some project settings in unity. Batby is looking for a solution. But if you want to mess around with it in the editor here is the documentation https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/[email protected]/manual/WaterSystem-use.html

[limpid portal]

That does seem a bit early 🤭

[royal cape]

Thx

[sharp sequoia]

I feel like my moon isn’t fun to play on

It’s too big

The whole 1000x1000 terrain is used

I think I’ll just cut access to most of it and rethink my doors

[fading yacht]

i like both of these, left would go hard for rainy weather but right looks very cozy

[limpid portal]

It'd be awesome if I could set it up like that! sf Desat is gonna look into making it interact with the weather system tho, and I might do the same once I get all my planned stuff done

[royal cape]

my moon Celestria 2000x2000😅

[sharp sequoia]

Jesus!

Can you walk everywhere on it?

Because that’s what makes my moon feel a bit too big, the whole terrain is accessible

[royal cape]

yes

[sharp sequoia]

God damn

It must be god damn huge

[royal cape]

Celestria

[sharp sequoia]

Ohhh yes that one! I’ve played it!

Is really cool

I just have too many moons downloaded and can’t remember them all 😥

I don’t think I’ve tried your other moons tho, probably because I didn’t see them in the main mod pages before

[quartz mason]

I can't even remember all my own moons half the time lmao

[limpid portal]

Triskelion before and after

[thorn warren]

dont mean to be that guy but all thats changed is its slightly more gray (im colourblind)

[limpid portal]

It's darker/more saturated and more red/purple-shifted, so that might be why you're not seeing much of a difference

[sharp sequoia]

I LOVE it

It helps the ambiance so much

[limpid portal]

I just hope it looks good in-game 🤭

[quartz mason]

lmao

Yeah I feel that

It always looks way different than you'd expect
||From my experience at least||

[sharp sequoia]

have you managed to use skyboxes with the physically based sky or not? It asks me for cubemaps but all I can find online are skyboxes and I can't use them

i'm a lil confused

[limpid portal]

you have to use hdri sky for skyboxes

alternatively

[sharp sequoia]

oh

[limpid portal]

you can try what sf Desat suggested and put it into the space skybox spot and crank up the multiplier

oh wait nvm

I see what you're talking about

but skyboxes should come as cubemaps, no?

[sharp sequoia]

it's just that it looks cool but the bottom half is just darkness

they don't appear

[limpid portal]

Hm. Haven't used that asset, but try this from the unity asset store

[sharp sequoia]

alright bet

[sharp sequoia]

☹️

I somehow can't find it

searching it on google redirects me to the asset I'm currently using

[limpid portal]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/2d/textures-materials/sky/skybox-series-free-103633

[sharp sequoia]

oh lol thank you

[limpid portal]

Add lightposts to Triskelion, yea or nay?

ehhhh I'm gonna go with nay

Remember kids, the game fog is always thicker than the editor fog 🤭

[fading yacht]

the lightposts aren't necessary but i like them

adds to the atmosphere

[limpid portal]

hmmm maybe, we'll see how my tests go for how dark it gets

speaking of which

[limpid portal]

@wicked radish I've also run into this issue of 1pm looking like midnight. What do you recommend?

Solace is gorgeous tho

[sharp sequoia]

I kinda like it, but it might be a bit too intense?

[sharp sequoia]

This is so beautiful what the hell

[native surge]

Damn how much of this is actually explorable?

[limpid portal]

You can explore everything in front of the mountains. I have put invisible walls behind the mansion bc there's nothing to explore and I don't want people to yell at me for it.
I mean, people will probably yell about invisible walls too, so I can't really win

[limpid portal]

Idk if this is the fix for this yet, but make sure you assign the new direct and indirect lights in the SunAnimContainer, otherwise the interior of the facility will be bright af

[sharp sequoia]

Oh good to know! I haven’t tried going inside yet

[limpid portal]

ye

[frozen dove]

I'd say it's pretty fine, gets real dark around 9pm but but mostly fine for visibility I'd say 👀

[limpid portal]

With the new lighting system, it gets
d a r k

[still prairie]

New map?

[limpid portal]

Yee

Not released yet

[still prairie]

Damn Is perfect for the school interior

[still prairie]

It has a release date?

[limpid portal]

Tonight ideally, but it'll release when I'm satisfied ^^

[still prairie]

Oke cool

Hype

[agile meadow]

Is there a way to download Triskelion alone? or do i need to get the bundle?

[limpid portal]

My moons are only available together in StarlancerMoons. I don't have any plans to separate them into individual mods

@sharp sequoia @wicked radish
Not perfect, but managed to get a sort-of eclipse going. This is in-editor, so not 100% sure how it'll look in-game yet, but it's promising ^^

[sharp sequoia]

HEH that's sick!!

I'd love a tutorial lol

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-mike-myers-gif-22046787

I'll just say that it's being done using the animator :3

also holy crap there's so much that can be with an animator, I might have figured out how to like, ACTUALLY get different visuals based on if it's storming and stuff

[formal thorn]

Just wait till the first LethalToolbox version releases

you'll be going crazy

[sharp sequoia]

Have you ever checked your Ko-fi

There’s so much I want to do with my moon but I know so little

[sharp sequoia]

Do you think there’s a way to make the sun appear extremely big/close to the moon?

Think Mercury

[formal thorn]

Not directly what you mean i think but I accidently did this in an older version of one of my moons

[limpid portal]

gib

[limpid portal]

I did, thank you! I'm sorry, I forgot to send my appreciation ^^;

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[sharp sequoia]

No worries lol 🤝

[formal thorn]

Imagine forgetting to respond to a Kofi donation I could never..

[sharp sequoia]

Lmaooo

[limpid portal]

*cries in unresponded to Kofi donation*

[formal thorn]

forgive me

[limpid portal]

Since you helped me solve those NREs, consider yourself forgiven

[sharp sequoia]

I’m too dumb to understand what it is

[formal thorn]

i believe that red dot is a super small, messed up sun

and thats a super big moon

[sharp sequoia]

Oh JESUS that’s a MOON HAHAHA

Amazing

[limpid portal]

not quite as big as you want and not exactly pretty, but here's a lorg sun

[sharp sequoia]

That’s what I’m aiming for

[sharp sequoia]

Oooo

That’s already very good

Up the flare size and fallout values?

[limpid portal]

Yeah, 90 is max flare size, and any smaller falloff creates a disgusting looking sun lmao

[sharp sequoia]

Perfect thank you!!!

[limpid portal]

then you can just shift the temperature :3

[sharp sequoia]

Holy this is beautiful

Why’s your map so good looking damn it

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/rekiwoof-dazai-osamu-dazai-they-tell-me-im-a-god-gif-21598108

a lot of trial and error

[sharp sequoia]

True….

I’ve been working on my moon for over 3 weeks now

Every single day

[limpid portal]

Okay, I've improved on Triskelion's fps as much as I reasonably can for now. Heading to bed, then in the morning I'll optimize Auralis and the new moon. After that I just have to run some final quality checks and then I can release :)

[thorn warren]

new moon is releasing tomorrow

(trust)

[uneven plover]

gta 6 is releasingtomorrow

(trust)

[wicked radish]

You can try increasing the moons brightness

If you want a larger sun you can also increase the bloom effect

[wicked radish]

I'm pretty sure that is because Zeekers set the sun Diameter to 45

[wicked radish]

looks very good

[sharp sequoia]

Is there a way to change the moon’s size and color so it resembles a planet instead of a moon? Since technically we’re already on moons

[wicked radish]

You can change the MoonLight Angular Diameter and adjust the Flare Size and Falloff. You can also add a surface texture

[sharp sequoia]

🔥amazing thank you!!

[swift barn]

Which moon is this? Your new one?

[limpid portal]

Yep!

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-grind-back-to-the-grind-off-to-work-gif-5655542

[sharp sequoia]

true...

same

[sharp sequoia]

okay yeaaa without flare fallout it looks like the moon was nuked lol

[limpid portal]

yep 🤭

[sharp sequoia]

yoda sun yoda sun

[limpid portal]

That looks pretty dope

[sharp sequoia]

Honestly with the proper themed moon, a colored sun can look siiick

Also I can't remember if you found a solution for the cubemap being cut in half?

Or my moon itself is the problem perhaps

[limpid portal]

Doesn't look like you have any global fog from that camera position. If you enable it and adjust the fog distance I think that'll help

but idk about the cubemap itself

[sharp sequoia]

I've put some fog under a certain point but I guess it has to be everywhere?

[limpid portal]

I'm assuming that's local volumetric fog? Under the General Volume from sf Desat's preset, there's a Fog override. Play with those settings if you haven't already.

[sharp sequoia]

ohhhhhhhh

[royal cape]

I like it

[limpid portal]

I'm going through and swapping out a ton of mesh colliders for box colliders, and while I know that it'll be great for performance, it's SO TEDIOIUSSSSSS

[sharp sequoia]

It’s a pain

[limpid portal]

It's for y'all tho ✨

Definitely not for me, cuz I don't lag

[sharp sequoia]

I can't decide if that's better or worse than before

any thoughts?

[limpid portal]

Compared to which one specifically?

[sharp sequoia]

here sorry

[limpid portal]

I think it looks neat

[sharp sequoia]

It looks less bright and alive, but at least it hides stuff that needs hiding I guess

it does fit LC better tho right?

[limpid portal]

It's a toss-up honestly. Desolate aesthetics are more vanilla, but also, it's your moon, go with whatever makes you feel the biggest happy inside

[sharp sequoia]

true.....

[limpid portal]

Solace is 100% breaking away from vanilla aesthetics, but I love it

[sharp sequoia]

hell yeah

I'm hyped to see it

also I think I like the fog, it adds to the "extinct civilization" lore I'm going for

has Desat found a way for the afternoons to not be so dark?

[limpid portal]

I did. Make sure to put the new direct and indirect lights into the sun anim container object

That allows it to control their positions

[sharp sequoia]

I think I've already done that

It looked really dark at 1pm tho for some unholy reason

[thorn warren]

hiding the fact that triskeleion was probably the least vanilla moon out rn

[limpid portal]

Make sure they're the new one

[limpid portal]

hey now

it's a big industrial place

I'm sure something else is less vanilla

[sharp sequoia]

they're these ones

[thorn warren]

i think the cheese moon is closer to vanilla than triskeleion

[limpid portal]

(9 ' - ')9

[limpid portal]

lemme see your sunanimcontainer inspector

the full thing I mean

[limpid portal]

oh right

sec

Zero out the position and rotation of the direct light

[sharp sequoia]

same for indirect or nah

[limpid portal]

Honestly don't remember what I changed about it, but experiment as needed

[sharp sequoia]

bet thank you

[wicked radish]

This skybox can be versatile

[sharp sequoia]

Wait what

[wicked radish]

That planet is also made by the skybox lol

[sharp sequoia]

woahhhh

What skybox is it

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-gru-almost-over-its-almost-over-its-almost-finished-gif-9707781365812094138

[limpid portal]

I'm excited to release the update so that people can immediately find like 30 bugs despite me spending hours polishing everything up :'3

[sharp sequoia]

I feel you

It’ll be fine

[limpid portal]

New moon has an occasional fps dip that I can't quite isolate, but I'm gonna be releasing soon.

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-incomingcringe-skeleton-spooky-scary-gif-22113275

===================================

• StarlancerMoons v1.0.0
  • Working with a new editor set-up, thanks @prime atlas!
  • Switched to a new lighting workflow, based on @wicked radish's resource pack. Thanks!
  • Updated dependencies. Now depends on Starlancer AI Fix.
  • Released new moon, 74-Solace.
  • Auralis changes:
    • Added ambient sounds, both generalized (like outside wind) and randomly occurring.
    • Fixed the navmesh to the ship. Previously it was missing the Off Mesh Links for the ladders so certain enemies were unable to use them, making it far too safe.
    • Adjusted the navmesh around the small building to prevent Forest Keepers from trying to mate with it.
    • The water on Auralis is cold enough to cause immediate hypothermia, and has been update to reflect as such. (Touching the water now causes you to take damage. Don't fall in.)
    • Increased the number of Outside AI Nodes.
    • Increased turret and landmine spawns.
    • Added a certain interior enemy to the outside spawnlist. Flowers now grow amongst the trees.
    • Continued optimizing performance.
  • Triskelion changes:
    • Added ambient sounds, both generalized (like outside wind) and randomly occurring.
    • Fixed the navmesh to the ship. See above.
    • Increased the LOD distance slightly to reduce texture pop-in.
    • Increased the number of Outside AI Nodes.
    • Increased turret and landmine spawns.
    • Added an extremely rare chance for a certain interior enemy to spawn outside. Eyes up, Starlancer.
    • Continued optimizing performance.

StarlancerMoons v1.0.0

[lunar pumice]

oooo

trying it as soon as it's up on r2

[limpid portal]

Update is live on r2!! \[T]/

[uneven plover]

you forgor to change the description lol

[limpid portal]

yea

I know ; - ;

[uneven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/headpats-anime-cat-girl-beeg-pats-shake-pats-gif-7464612627661142514

[limpid portal]

uggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I know it's not a lot of effort on my part, and most people probably won't have even downloaded it, so I guess I'll update the damn blurb

• Starlancer Moons v1.0.1
  • Updated the description. (So much double and triple-checking, yet it still slipped past me ; - ; )

StarlancerMoons v1.0.1

[thorn warren]

you missed a spot

[limpid portal]

please say sike

[calm otter]

these guys would just kiss each other for days until i walked close enough to make them move again

*2 puffer

[limpid portal]

They were glued to that spot?

If so I'll take a look at it in the morning, that would indicate that they didn't get their outside AI.
I know I made it a dependency, but it's worth checking, do you have StarlancerAIFix enabled?

[calm otter]

yes, they only started to move away once u walk close enough to them. and for some reason their AI want to chomp u more than moving away most of the time

its like they jst gonna follow u around until u hop on the ship or somewhere unreachable then started moving away

[limpid portal]

Hm. Maybe it's more hard-coded bs that wants to find an inside node so they're just breaking instead.
I'll look into it later :3

[calm otter]

🫡

[autumn sundial]

bozoros also has outside spore lizards, with or without AIfix they seem to just glue themselves next to the ship and stay there until you bother them

[calm otter]

theyre discussing their evil plan

close and personal

[limpid portal]

Kk that definitely sounds like something's hard-coded.

[fading yacht]

solace is really cool

[native surge]

Does it feel like ur exploring treasure island?

Or more of a abandoned private island feel

[fading yacht]

abandoned private island

treasure that you can dig up with the shovel would be sick though

[uneven plover]

mrbeast after done filming

[sharp sequoia]

HUUUUGE

[tepid palm]

Question
Whats the loot distribution for Solace like? its a free moon, so imagine its less than the paid ones, but is it like closer to offense/march or experimentation/vow in terms of the amount of scrap / scrap quality?

[frozen dove]

Peering into details with LQ it seems to be similar to Assurance with loot quantities but higher average value due to the loot pool

[tepid palm]

got it

[sharp sequoia]

Assurance+

Nice!

What’s its difficulty? B? B+?

[tepid palm]

What kinda worries me is that if it is better, and its basically always a mansion, my friends might just always wanna go there instead of the other ones (other than weather related stuff)
So i am tempted to give it a small cost, or lower the loot amount to make it slightly worse than assurance

[tepid palm]

B

Tho honestly the risk levels are kinda wack and dont mean alot imo

Difficulty is more accurate generally

[sharp sequoia]

Yeah true true

Are the power levels and enemies similar to assurance? Cranking them a little bit higher may solve that problem

[tepid palm]

Thats another good option
Tho that would make it more an intermediate moon, in line with march and offense

and thats how i have Triskelion set atm

[sharp sequoia]

Very true

[tepid palm]

Another option is make it larger
Thats means the loot inside is more spread out so its harder to find all the items, even if the total is more than assurance

i think i might do that actually

that kinda makes it like a Tier 1 March

[frozen dove]

I've not played the moon yet but here are the stats

1.8x dungeon multiplier with 290/10 mansion:facility ratio is rough, how many fire exits are there?

Unless there are 3 fire exits I can't see a reason to justify a 1.8 dungeon multiplier with mansion, Rend has a 1.2 and Dine has a 1.3 to compensate for the massive tile sizes present in Mansion

[tepid palm]

I mean it makes sense when you consider its a free moon and has better loot quality than Assurance

it does seem to be balanced pretty well them imo

if its made smaller, then theres little reason to go to any other early game moon

(besides weather)

[formal thorn]

1.8 does seem very high multiplier for a free moon from my understanding of how that value is used

[sharp sequoia]

1.8x mansion?? That’s enormous

[formal thorn]

Pretty sure the max is 2

[sharp sequoia]

Yeahhhh

[tepid palm]

oh

[frozen dove]

Yeah if you've ever had mansion on March it's desolate for loot because of how large the generated dungeon is with the loot quantity

[tepid palm]

i noticed march doesnt have mansion in vanilla for that reason yeah

[sharp sequoia]

1.8x facility is already big, can’t imagine 1.8x mansion with free moon loot

[formal thorn]

It’s not for that reason lol

[sharp sequoia]

[tepid palm]

oh? how come?

[frozen dove]

I'd guess it's the wonky code used for 3 fire exits lmao

[formal thorn]

Zeekers is a very talented individual

but

[sharp sequoia]

🤯

[tepid palm]

ig he just needs to make the solace interior smaller
But overall i think keeping it as least slightly spread out makes sense for balance

it'll create some interesting decision making with my friends

[frozen dove]

I can only guess that there are quite a few fire exits and the reasoning was that there'd be multiple entryways into the dungeon, I get the idea and if there are 4 entrances 1.5 would be fine

Gonna hop on the moon and fly about to see

[sharp sequoia]

Yeah 1.5x is pretty fair

But it’s still the mansion

[frozen dove]

from a quick sweep I can see 2 FE and 1 main

[sharp sequoia]

Knight is pretty good at hiding fire exits

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a “one way” fire exit somewhere

[formal thorn]

also for any dungeon nerds who might be reading this

[sharp sequoia]

!!

[formal thorn]

i know march is multiplier 2 and titan is multiplier 2.25 in basegame

but dungen internal code clamps that result to 2 like always afaik

zeekers might not know this cuz i don't think its in the docs

but anything over 2 shouldnt make a difference with the exact same dungeonflow

[sharp sequoia]

I did not know that

That’s pretty interesting, how could he not know

[formal thorn]

not everyone reads the entirity of third party plugin code

its a weird clamp tbh

[sharp sequoia]

Ohhh I see

[formal thorn]

wait

what

@neat ginkgo can LengthMultiplier literally only be 1 or 2 or am i misreading this

            this.targetLength = Mathf.RoundToInt((float)this.DungeonFlow.Length.GetRandom(this.RandomStream) * this.LengthMultiplier);
            this.targetLength = Mathf.Max(this.targetLength, 2);

[sharp sequoia]

Round to int??

Nah I can’t read code don’t mind me

[neat ginkgo]

it shouldnt because ive seen moons use 5x map multiplier

[sharp sequoia]

Does it work tho

[neat ginkgo]

oh you confused me with yours words, targetLength is the amount of tiles on the main path

All that code does is make sure that the length is 2 minimum (i think to account for the start and end tile)

in other words map multiplier can be literally whatever number you want

[sharp sequoia]

So a 100x is totally possible??

[neat ginkgo]

if you really wanted to, yuh

[sharp sequoia]

Wth that’s crazy

Anything higher than like 2.5-3 isn’t fun at all imo

[frozen dove]

So 1.5x multiplier with 3 entryways feels comfortable, I don't have a jetpack and it is flooded so this was just a rough test, plays fine though, these funny fellas were kissing by the dropship

[frozen dove]

Same as what was raised here

Balance stuff apart, congratulations Starlancer you made another hit moon! Can't wait to try it with my friends

[formal thorn]

no but thats the only place the roundmanager/selectablelevel/dungeongenerator value is used

the only use of them is those two lines that converts it to only 0,1 or 2

unless im missing something

like yeah you can put whatever number you want into the level, rm, etc. but its either gonna get clamped via the rounding to int or the max to 2

[neat ginkgo]

nonono, you are misunderstand what Mathf.Max() does

It just gets the biggest number against two numbers

0, 2 => 2
-1, 2 => 2
5, 2 => 5
100000,2 => 100000

[formal thorn]

ahhh

ok

IN MY DEFENSE

[neat ginkgo]

death

[formal thorn]

wait

but if thats true then any multiplier under 2 is 2

right

[neat ginkgo]

Are you refering to line of code?

this.targetLength = Mathf.Max(this.targetLength, 2);

[formal thorn]

ye

well

and theo ther one

cuz like 1.15 or 1.75 is going to get crunched to 1 or 2 in the roundtoint process

and ofc 2 is going to be higher anyway

[neat ginkgo]

targetLength is just the amount of tiles on the mainPath. It gets multiplied by the lengthMultiplier given but that's it. If you look at DungeonGeneration.GenerateMainPath(), you can see how it's used. targetLength is the one that's clamped, not lengthMulitplier

[formal thorn]

no no but

when you say that's it

thats true for lengthMultiplier too

lengthMultiplier is only used to set targetLength

[neat ginkgo]

ohhh

do you mean this round part?

Mathf.RoundToInt((float)this.DungeonFlow.Length.GetRandom(this.RandomStream) * this.LengthMultiplier);

[formal thorn]

yes

both lines

are the only place lengthMultiplier is used

[neat ginkgo]

it rounds at the end. it rounds the whole expression not specially lengthMuliplier

[formal thorn]

i know

but cuz of the max

anything below 2

will be 2

right

[neat ginkgo]

yes, tile length wise, yes

[formal thorn]

so every basegame level except for titan has the same tile length

[neat ginkgo]

nono

[formal thorn]

in terms of this code

[neat ginkgo]

var a = dungeonFlow.Length.GetRandom() // (4, 6) -> 5
var b =  lengthMultiplier // 1.5
var c = Mathf.Round(a * b) // 5 * 1.5 = 7.5 -> 8
var d = Mathf.Max(c, 2) // (8, 2) => 8

if i do the same with a higher lengthMultiplier

var a = dungeonFlow.Length.GetRandom() // (4, 6) -> 5
var b =  lengthMultiplier // 2
var c = Mathf.Round(a * b) // 5 * 2 = 10
var d = Mathf.Max(c, 2) // (10, 2) => 10

[formal thorn]

thinking about programming at 1:20am with covid

your totally right

[neat ginkgo]

lengthMultiplier isn't a clamped value, any value is fine

[formal thorn]

thank you for your time

[neat ginkgo]

fosho

[sharp sequoia]

Wholesome

[limpid portal]

Glad y'all are liking it so far!

I didn't know about dungeon size maxing out at 2, nor did I account for mansion being a much larger tileset, so lemme know how 1.8 feels. Scrap values are such an annoyance to set so I figured I'd release it and give it more balance afterwards (plus with LLL people can do their own balancing).

[sharp sequoia]

I dont think it maxes out at 2 finally

Well unless I misunderstood @neat ginkgo

[neat ginkgo]

the minimum length of the main path (after all calculations/multipliers etc.) is 2. The map mulitplier can be anything

[limpid portal]

Oh neat

[sharp sequoia]

So if the map multiplier is 1.5x, the main path is 2x, but if for example if set at 2.3x, the main path is 2.3x?

Sounds pretty cool

[neat ginkgo]

the mapMultiplier only affects the main path length, is that's what you mean

[barren flume]

ngl solace could use some optimization

but looks amazin g

[limpid portal]

I'll continue refining its performance in the coming days :3

[unkempt verge]

One of those things is not like the others.

[limpid portal]

But why lmao

[tepid palm]

Solace kinda quirky like that

[unkempt verge]

holy shit it's beautiful

landed for the first time just to test if it works

Are clouds volumetric?!

[sharp sequoia]

I think they are thanks to Desat

[sharp sequoia]

Oh god

I wanna play it but I’m at woooork

[limpid portal]

My clouds have been volumetric tyvm 😤

[sharp sequoia]

Oh lmao my baad

I didn’t notice because the others are way more foggy

[unkempt verge]

Performance is a bit rocky though.

[limpid portal]

That's how I originally got Auralis to look so extra pretty

[sharp sequoia]

Ohhh I see

Man you have no idea how badly I want to release my moon

[limpid portal]

Copy. I've got some ideas to check out

[sharp sequoia]

But it’s not in a playable state yet

[limpid portal]

You'll get it there, trust

[unkempt verge]

I'm using ViewExtension though.

[limpid portal]

Also performance was waaaaay worse mid-day yesterday

[sharp sequoia]

I added some lighting yesterday and it’s day and night. It looks soooo much better

[unkempt verge]

And it's not rocky everywhere. Just stumbled on some weird spot.

[limpid portal]

Is it mostly when you're looking at the ship or the mansion?

The ship spot seems weirdly intensive for me

[unkempt verge]

I was by the fire exit and lookig in direction of lighthouse.

Rainy weather.

By the time it got darker it was worse no matter where I looked.

[limpid portal]

The mansion fire exit, or the cool one? :P

[unkempt verge]

Mansion.

With the ladder.

[limpid portal]

Kk ty

[unkempt verge]

Gonna test again.

Gain 20%+ GPU load when looking that direction.

Same thing when looking at the mansion from the landing pad.

Same thing without ViewExtension.

I must say, ViewExtension is a must on moons with vistas like that.

[sharp sequoia]

I don’t even have any HD mods ☹️

[limpid portal]

VE is pretty great

[unkempt verge]

Me neither. Wouldn't call VE and HD mod.

Seems to barely change performance profile. Maybe if you're on a complete potato.

[limpid portal]

From the same spot as the second pic, can you look further right, getting the mansion further out of frame and see what happens?

[unkempt verge]

I can record the whole thing with Starlancer only.

[limpid portal]

No need

I want it with a typical setup

And just the data here would be fine, I don't need a recording cuz I won't give you any more tests 🤭

Up to you if you want to record one tho, just didn't want you to do more work than necessary

[sharp sequoia]

Oh I thought your pics were HD but I was wrong. I’ll try it out, I have a small beast of a pc anyway

[limpid portal]

Did Solace fool you? :P

[sharp sequoia]

Yeah it really did lol

It looks so good

Also, is there a way to make emissive meshes like illuminate around themselves? Mine glow, but that’s it

Is it the intensity that has to be way up?

[unkempt verge]

Emmisive surfaces are just that. To make them have dynamic lighting it needs to be manually placed.

[sharp sequoia]

Oh of course!! I didn’t think about that, thank you

I haven’t tried making prefabs, I’m assuming I can include a dynamic light inside my meshes to make it easier?

[unkempt verge]

No idea. I just know how some stuff works, but not in actual practice.

[sharp sequoia]

Gotcha

[limpid portal]

I'll take a closer look in a bit, but good god what is your fov at 🤭

[unkempt verge]

Default.

Lethal Company is 62 FOV vertical, which obviously gives me wider view on an ultrawide compared to 16:9.

Comes to ~109 horizontal in my case.

Which is less than pretty much every idTech/GoldSrc/Source game by default.

[limpid portal]

Ahhh I see. I imagine it looks not as fishbowl-y irl then?

[unkempt verge]

To avoid some stretching at the edges you need to go really low. Even on a 16:9.
Or even wider monitor or multi-monitor setup.

[sharp sequoia]

Oh yeah it makes me dizzy on phone

[subtle ginkgo]

Is there going to be any new moons anytime soon?

[unkempt verge]

Yes. Today.

[unkempt verge]

For example: with my screen/distance setup I'd have to do 67 horizontal to have no stretching.

[subtle ginkgo]

Whats it called

[unkempt verge]

Solace

[limpid portal]

Solace is out now btw, in case that wasn't clear

[still prairie]

Bracken out on auralis Is it normal?

[noble plinth]

For some reason price and hazard level do not appear for Solace when using AboveFire-ShowMoonPriceLLL-1.1.0. Rest of the moons are fine.
And hats off to the developer for one of the best mods!

[noble plinth]

Oh sorry it was already mentioned

I missed it

[subtle ginkgo]

Can you go to the moon and send screenshots please. I want to see it but I am not at my pc right now.

[noble plinth]

Yeah, of course! Moon itself is working fine btw

[unkempt verge]

First video here: #1194042915840872548 message

[unkempt verge]

Yes.

[subtle ginkgo]

Thanks

[still prairie]

Guys but why do Monsters spawn on day?

When i landed there was already one

[unkempt verge]

It's mentioned in the changelog.

[still prairie]

Yes? Also bracken and dogs?

[limpid portal]

Flowers grow amongst the trees

:3

[still prairie]

Ahah

[limpid portal]

There's no enemies placed on Auralis tho, it's just unfortunate luck if things are already there when you land

[still prairie]

Oh ok thanks

[limpid portal]

Hell yeahhhh lmao

[sharp sequoia]

Terrifying.

[limpid portal]

How are you liking the visual change btw?

[fading yacht]

not me in the clip lol, but i like it. performance is a lot better than it used to be

[tepid palm]

AudioKnight try and make a bad mod challenge (impossible)
He simply cannot

[serene sand]

hey is starlancermusic copatible with ambientpackmusic

[limpid portal]

Oh lol

[limpid portal]

Yep, it's boombox music

[serene sand]

awsom

[limpid portal]

Hope you like it, it's original music by me ✨

[thorn warren]

you do music?

what a surprise

i wonder if there was a way this could've been foresighted

[limpid portal]

Nah, I like to come out of left field with it

[serene sand]

makes you sort of an audio knight

[unkempt verge]

Does StarlancerMusic replace or add?

[foggy flare]

is there any chance that the moon's from this pack could be released individually? obviously I know you're working on them for your own Modpack, and I can disable/hide them with LLL but I thought I'd ask anyway, I really love using Auralis but the other two moon's don't fit super well with the theme I'm going for in regards to my own modpack

[limpid portal]

It adds to the vanilla tracklist

[limpid portal]

Bc of the way I have my stuff set up, it'd be a bit of a pain to release them individually, and with the LLL config I'm planning to leave it as is

It really boils down to laziness on my part I guess lol

If enough people really want individual moons I'll look into it but for now I'm gonna leave it as is

[foggy flare]

nah I totally understand that haha

I'm fine with just hiding the other moon's, it's just funny when I get the auto-route malfunction from the Malfunctions mod and end up on Triskelion xD

[limpid portal]

Lmao what if you lock it? Or is that not an option in the LLL config?

You could always look at it as a feature tho 🤭

[foggy flare]

I believe it's already set up to be hidden and locked but it still routed there with that mod which is hilarious

[foggy flare]

oh absolutely, I think I'm gonna convert them into like, challenges or memes

loot bug island or something

[sharp sequoia]

Double the baboon hawk spawn on Triskelion and there you have it lol

[limpid portal]

honestly lmao

They're in love 🥰

[sharp sequoia]

Awwwww

[thorn warren]

sweet way of saying they're bugged and you dont know why

[limpid portal]

Ye
Time to make them star-crossed lovers

[thorn warren]

(im sorry i just find bullying you fun)

you have so many messages where the sassy response power is strong

[thorn warren]

ass is best moon

[limpid portal]

🤭

Can't believe I'm being bullied by a mod

[thorn warren]

theres more to me than just my title 😢

[limpid portal]

So it seems like the issue is having them spawn as prefabs. Normally spawned ones work, and they begin normal AI behavior once provoked

[sharp sequoia]

Are enemies normally spawned as prefabs?

[limpid portal]

No, I'm referring to manually placing a prefab in the scene to have an enemy present upon landing

[dire sage]

How did you set the moons view in terminal to be exactly like this?

[tepid palm]

i am curious
Do they actually have AI to follow each other and stuff?

That must be a very rare vanilla interaction

[limpid portal]

Nah, they don't unfortunately

This is just bugged behavior

That AIFix for some reason isn't quite catching, even though it's correctly assigning their navigations

[sharp sequoia]

Oh you placed them by yourself?

My bad

[sharp sequoia]

In the first config options of LLL there’s a setting that allows you to enable all this, you can set it to All for the price, weather, difficulty etc to be visible

[tepid palm]

So far, yeah Solace feels quite large, but we're finding alot of loot, it felt comparable to the amount we would get on like Rend or Dine or something
Tho its hard to tell because it was also eclipsed which is a 1.5x multiplier with the weathermultiplier mod (And eclipsed doesnt do much when most of the outside enemies is spore lizards anyways)
But like we was getting stuff like perfume that was worth 150, so around 100 on default

[unkempt verge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AboveFire/ShowMoonPriceLLL/

[sharp sequoia]

Huh interesting

I thought the config could do that already

[unkempt verge]

It could. But positioning would be similar to weather.

[sharp sequoia]

Oh yeah true

[hearty pumice]

what map are those old mountain mansion?

moon rather

[limpid portal]

The new one? Solace

[late tendon]

hey, what are the exact interior chances for solace?

[dire sage]

Thanks! I was wondering if it lies on one of my mods.

[hearty pumice]

is that part of starlancer?

[fading yacht]

yep

[sharp sequoia]

Oh yeah mansion

[limpid portal]

How are we feeling about the size of Solace's interior so far?

Okay actually, I just did a test lowering it to 1.5x and performance went up a ton. I'm gonna look into implement my own culling plane-type thing and see if that helps even more. If I can't figure that out, I might lower it to 1.3x

Finally a lead on improving performance 😭

[royal cape]

are you using LODs?

[limpid portal]

Yep

[royal cape]

are you using dusty cloud?

[limpid portal]

I have no idea what that is

[royal cape]

try lowering the texture quality

[limpid portal]

Already done

[royal cape]

what kind of water are you using?

[limpid portal]

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/2d/textures-materials/water/simple-water-shader-hdrp-207454

[royal cape]

hm

interesting

[limpid portal]

?

[royal cape]

Well, the fps is good

What's the problem?

[limpid portal]

Try going to the mansion front and looking out towards the ship tho

[limpid portal]

What are your specs?

[royal cape]

rtx 3050 and intel i5 11400 + 16 GB RAM

[limpid portal]

My main concern is on Experimentation I get ~245 fps, but my modded moons I usually get 20-30 less

[royal cape]

Well, I have more fps there, but it's just that I have a lot of apps turned on right now

ahah

[limpid portal]

Hm. I just keep getting told that they're laggy, but idk if it boils down to old pcs or whatever. I want my moons to be at least kinda close to vanilla performance

[royal cape]

there are mods like CullFactory

are you using Terrain?

[limpid portal]

Yea, on Auralis and Solace

[royal cape]

If so, try resolution the Terrain width.

[limpid portal]

down to 1024x1024 already

Should I just chalk it up to people's specs?

[royal cape]

cast shadow?

[limpid portal]

Set to On. Should that be off?

[royal cape]

if you turn off some of the useless objects, it should help.

[limpid portal]

Sorry, I thought you meant for terrain lol

[teal nimbus]

What is dusty clouds tho?

[serene sand]

tbf exper is smaller, isnt it?

try with equal size moons

dine or rend are long ways to the entrance, like auralis takes a while too

[limpid portal]

Sorta, but it has way more objects in the scene compared to my moons. But I'll peep rend and dine next time I test

[teal nimbus]

Yeah, but what it does in game though?

Never saw such weather condition in game

[royal cape]

throw in your water settings.

[royal cape]

It's quite a performance pain, but I was able to overcome it on my cards like Celestria and EchoReach

try disabling it

[limpid portal]

mmk

[limpid portal]

wow, that did make a difference lol

[teal nimbus]

But how does this weather look like?
It gives special coulds on sky or something?

[limpid portal]

way ahead of ya chief 🤭

[limpid portal]

I've left that at 512 bc that's vanilla map values, but I'm trying something rq that might do something, will report back

[limpid portal]

I had to raise that bc texture painting on the terrain wasn't working. If I set it back down it'll keep what I've done?

[royal cape]

yes

save the prefab

[limpid portal]

kk, and what's the impact of shadow dimmer?

[royal cape]

3-4 fps should give somewhere, but it is better to leave it as it is

[limpid portal]

👍

[unkempt verge]

I'm on 3070/5800X3D btw.

So it's not the PC in my case.

[royal cape]

I don't know how to tell you this, but the fog is getting better

[limpid portal]

It's weird, standing outside of the mansion looking toward it is great framerate, on the porch looking out towards the ship is a disaster though

[limpid portal]

Alright, something's screwy with the ship on my maps and I don't know what, I go from 210 to 180 fps when it comes into view

[royal cape]

A ship is always like this

[unkempt verge]

Pretty sure that's for interiors only.

[royal cape]

it's because of the lights on the ship

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/LightsOut/

[limpid portal]

ah, so I should disregard that then?

[royal cape]

This mod fixes it

[royal cape]

yes

[limpid portal]

okay, time to add that to the testing environment 😵‍💫

[royal cape]

It's the only way

I'm in the process of optimizing my maps as well

[limpid portal]

I set up an occlusion portal under the map and baked my occlusion area above ground and it seemed to help btw

[royal cape]

can I see it?

[unkempt verge]

And that's for Fancy Lamp and Apparatus.

[royal cape]

Either way, it helps

[unkempt verge]

Doesn't help in this case.

[royal cape]

In my tests, it gave a little bit of fps😉

[royal cape]

cool

[limpid portal]

Gonna take a break for now, be back later for more testing

[unkempt verge]

How? You don't start the game with Apparatus and Fancy Lamp on ship.

@keen marsh LightsOut is Apparatus and Fancy Lamp only, right?

[royal cape]

maybe it's just a coincidence

[hearty pumice]

kinda funny but two of the spore lizards always kiss near the ship

[limpid portal]

Yea I kinda like it but it is a bug unfortunately, so I'll be working on the AI fix some more

So I lowered the facility size to 1.25x, and holy crap it runs a lot better lmao

Pretty sure I can safely bump some of the graphical things back up

Also how has no one reported that I completely f'd up the water, the drowning trigger is only in a tiny part of it 😤

[fading yacht]

not many people purposefully drowning themselves i imagine

[limpid portal]

Yeah, I guess Auralis was a bit of an exception

[eager sedge]

Really like the new moon, it's nice to have an early manor option that actually feels balanced. However I came to report that I just went to triskelion and the newly added lights seem to tank my fps. 😔

I have a pretty weak rig, but I went from a solid 40-50 fps in previous version to about 10 when I'm near the lights outside now.

[limpid portal]

Gonna release a patch soon that'll help with performance :3

[eager sedge]

Really appreciate it! Your moons are my absolute favs

[limpid portal]

Aww thank you! ^^

[keen marsh]

it should disable all light sources iirc

[limpid portal]

Does it take effect when you're a certain distance away, or always?

[keen marsh]

 item.GetComponentInChildren<Light>().enabled = false;

it's basically that

it checks if the object has light, if it's a PhysicsProp, and if it's dropped on the ship

and the whole operation is reversed when picking up

[keen marsh]

So always when on ship

[hearty pumice]

well they go in a date once you get close to them enough to bite you

[limpid portal]

Ah okay, I think what was in question was if it disabled the ship's lights as well

[keen marsh]

no, I'm not doing that 😅

although (from what I know) ship items are never culled (lol), so I might look into some more ways to improve that aspect 😅

[limpid portal]

Just checked all 3 moons' performances and from what I can tell I've managed to improve them a fair bit :3
Gotta make a few tweaks elsewhere, and then I'll be releasing an update soon tonight

[limpid portal]

That'd be a useful mod!

[fading yacht]

i think that would fit right in to CullFactory if you're interested in contributing to that project

[limpid portal]

StarlancerMoons v1.1.0

• StarlancerMoons v1.1.0
  • Improved performance on Auralis, Triskelion, and Solace.
    • Globally tweaked shadows, fog, and cloud effects.
    • Baked occlusion areas and a culling occlusion portal onto each moon.
    • Lowered Solace dungeon size to 1.25x from 1.8x (Slightly lowered total scrap amount to balance out the change, feedback is welcome as always.)
    • Removed some unnecessary objects from Solace that the player wouldn't see under normal circumstances.
    • Lowered Auralis dungeon size to 1.8x from 2x for performance.
    • Adjusted Triskelion's lighting and LOD groups.
  • Increased the trigger size of the hillside fire exit on Auralis to improve interactibility.
  • Slightly increased the exterior fogginess on Auralis and Triskelion.
  • Applied a temporary adjustment to the global fog volumes to make them not ruin the interiors. I'll be working on a better solution.
  • Fixed an incorrect tag on the main building platform on Auralis.
  • Fixed foliage coloration on Solace.
  • Fixed the water triggers on Solace being too small.

==================
Heading to bed now, but keep an eye on r2modman for the update to go live :3c

[fading yacht]

thank you so much for your hard optimization work 🥺

[limpid portal]

You're welcome! I hope it actually feels optimized, bc I have to actually pay attention to an fps counter to know when things are taking a hit ^^;

[fading yacht]

it does feel so much better performance-wise, on solace at least

but two notes:

• the fog does not apply equally on solace during foggy weather
• the water on solace is visible through the fog from any distance

[keen marsh]

I've got the idea for that (and for Lights out) by talking to them - I think this might be outside of their scope

[unkempt verge]

CullFactory is for interiors.

[limpid portal]

Ah yea I forgot to re-enable that
When you say "does not apply equally" what do you mean exactly?

[serene sand]

hmmmmmm solaces got stuff going on

foggy makes it all white outside of the house place

its 5 pm now so its kinda gray or brownish, but when it started it was all white except the ocean

[limpid portal]

Are you saying that the fog isn't showing up further down the hill?

[torpid wave]

@limpid portal man where did u download those trees in the new map because i could use them for my roblox wendigo hunting horror game, like i cant find good trees online and these look so good, if u can wanna give me a link for download?