Starlancer Moons v3.2.0 / Starlancer Warehouse v1.7.0

[onyx dirge]

Huntdown managed to do it with shovels Masa believes.

THe lootbugs from the bug mafia target all hold onto shovels cx

[opal mauve]

lmao

[onyx dirge]

Surprised the 'don' isnt holding onto a shotgun tbh, but then again, you can loot the shotgun from the lootbug..

[quartz mason]

Oh my god, did I just read what I think I just read

[onyx dirge]

...A lootbug with a shotgun?

..--UH OH

[limpid portal]

Theoretically you could place a lootbug prefab down, then place a scrap near it and have the default target be that scrap and it should work

[onyx dirge]

Masa would 100% have lootbugs be around the arid maps especially so experimentation has something unique to do!

Lootbugs for Arid maps, Bees for Forest maps

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-for-the-company-lethal-company-memes-gif-14215347766483224419

[limpid portal]

I'm not sure how to go about injecting things into vanilla maps, but that sounds like a cool idea :)

[limpid portal]

What do you think you just read? :3c

[onyx dirge]

Yesss. Masa is a absolute sucker for things to do outside

That's why Masa really wants to try and get someone to do the spider moon because just having a different vibe and threat alltogether spices up the moon experience so much more

[quartz mason]

I think I just read that someone has been cooking

[onyx dirge]

Which is why Aquatis/Triskelion & Wesley's Moons are so nice

[limpid portal]

Guilty as charged 🧑‍🍳

[opal mauve]

If by cooking you mean that your spiders outside are no longer gonna have their brains cooked, then yes

[quartz mason]

This is absolutely awesome

[limpid portal]

Enemies that spawn outside using the vent system function appropriately \[T]/

What I can probably do is make it so that when an enemy spawns outside that triggers the script, I can have it subtract the power from inside and apply it outside

[opal mauve]

Mm, maybe, they should already do that if they're spawned outside instead of via vent though

I'll test with AC once I can since it might be a vanilla bug

All I know is AC definitely let me spawn Thumpers outside

They just didn't navigate properly

[limpid portal]

Kk, I'd be addressing it with respect to the vanilla system though, so if AC or some other mod has their own system it should be fine

[opal mauve]

I just realized though

Wesley's spiders and nutcrackers spawn outside fine

And they're just added to the Outside spawn pool

So there's no reason it shouldn't work on Triskelion

[limpid portal]

Actually nvm, they might have to change if they want to rely on my code

[native surge]

They don’t have good ai though

[opal mauve]

I didn't say they did

[limpid portal]

Huh. @quartz mason how do?

[opal mauve]

I said they spawn fine, which is the issue being discussed atm

[quartz mason]

I just added them to the outside spawn pool

[opal mauve]

Star, are your outdoor enemies time locked?

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[native surge]

Time locked?

[limpid portal]

What'cha mean?

[opal mauve]

As in they don't spawn until a certain time of day

[native surge]

OH

[opal mauve]

Some moons do that

Could be why you're seeing no Spore bois

[native surge]

XD I’m not star here 🤣

[opal mauve]

Spore bois in particular could also be broken

[limpid portal]

It's a spawn curve like regular moons. Lemme try with other enemies rq

[opal mauve]

Try the Thumpers

I know for a fact they spawned on Secret Labs

[native surge]

Thumpers outside, dang :P

[opal mauve]

they huddled in a corner and cried unless you gave them a kiss, but they spawned

[limpid portal]

I'll take a vid for more showcasing ;3

[native surge]

Spore Lizards and Brackens apparently cause a lot of lag when spawning/moving around outside (not sure if that info helps)

[limpid portal]

If thumpers work I'll test brackens next

[barren flume]

what happened with backrooms?

[opal mauve]

I wouldn't be surprised if Brackens work on Triskelion cuz its so small and has hiding places

[opal mauve]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206360973326417940

Tldr makes it so you only teleport when taking lethal damage, which is a mod that already exists but doesn't work (it's a troll mod)

[opal mauve]

I believe AC just hooks into the vanilla system and allows you to alter spawn tables

But ik AC does a lot of Netcode patching too so I can't say definitively

[limpid portal]

Do you have any instances of the same enemy in both inside and outside spawn pools?

[opal mauve]

I'm pretty sure spiders can spawn inside on Infernis

Could be wrong tho

[limpid portal]

kk

[opal mauve]

It could be a vanilla bug that's patched by LE/LECore/LethalLevelLoader/whatever is spawning them

Could also be a Triskelion bug 😛

We both know how Triskelion loves to do that to you for no reason

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/not-again-ptsd-shaking-remember-oh-god-gif-20228656

[opal mauve]

Time to remake Triskelion from scratch

[limpid portal]

I'd sooner die

[onyx dirge]

Triskelion about to become quadskelion

[opal mauve]

Quintskelion

[limpid portal]

Eat the moon: Bisquelion

[opal mauve]

Biskeleton

[limpid portal]

Wait I think I know what the issue is

[bronze girder]

Triskelion: Episode 2 the Remake

[limpid portal]

@opal mauve If I'm right, it actually IS the same problem that was messing with Triskelion before

[opal mauve]

HAHA

Triskelion no work

I'm sorry

[limpid portal]

While I'm at it, I might as well test brackens and spore puppies alongside crawler spawns

[opal mauve]

Expect potential lag

If there is lag when testing, add PathfindingLagFix and see if it assists

Could mention it in the description of the mod if so

[limpid portal]

👍

Time for test #||REDACTED||

[opal mauve]

||Loads into map, Shy Guy immediately redacts you despite not being set to spawn||

[limpid portal]

||Despite not even existing in my mod||

[tender ember]

he is the one who decides whether to spawn

[limpid portal]

SUCCESS

https://tenor.com/view/lootbug-lethal-company-lethal-company-loot-gif-3448307918202253768

[opal mauve]

Thumper on Triskelion workin now?

[kindred wyvern]

Our saviour!

[opal mauve]

Ikr

Star gets to be my favorite person in the world for a whole day

[sturdy pelican]

im scared a bunch of spoilers and then mr hoarding bug

[limpid portal]

This also shows the mask working normally

[drowsy mulch]

This is so sick

[opal mauve]

You have no idea how hyped I am

No idea

xD

[limpid portal]

^^

[kindred wyvern]

would the reverse work too? like a dog spawned inside?

[opal mauve]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1203082292289867806
I literally created this 9 days ago and have had several mod devs be like "I could probably whip this up"

[limpid portal]

Uh

[opal mauve]

Nobody actually did it tho

[limpid portal]

I could make it work? :3c

[opal mauve]

Dogs spawned inside already work in my experience

I could be wrong though

That said, it's not a good idea

[kindred wyvern]

they do? I think wesley reported that they didnt. but idk

[opal mauve]

Dogs take up way too much room inside and are oppressively strong

Could have been Brutal Company as well then, I don't remember, I tried it a long time ago

[quartz mason]

From what I've tried, their pathing was fine
They just couldn't harm the player

[limpid portal]

I mean, I'd just be allowing the AI to function, nothing more. It'd essentially be my code also doing the inverse of what's already there

[drowsy mulch]

Me watching as a leviathan emerges from the cold Bunker ground to devour my friends

[quartz mason]

Might just be a le thing though

[limpid portal]

Meanwhile I said yesterday I'd do it

[opal mauve]

IF YOU SPAWN AN EARTH LEVIATHAN INSIDE YOU ARE A MONSTER

[drowsy mulch]

: )

[kindred wyvern]

It'd just be great to have something that can allow anything, would open up so many possibilities

[limpid portal]

It would also help me feel more comfortable having donations open

[opal mauve]

Yeah, it's not a bad idea for a simple dependency mod

Might as well make it functional

Just warn people: Some indoor enemies will not work well outside, and vice versa even moreso

[drowsy mulch]

wait so are interiors just generated underneath a moon?

[opal mauve]

Mhm

Giants, Dogs, Earth Leviathans are all basically awful inside

Dogs being the least awful but still oppressively strong since they block entire pathways and corridors

[limpid portal]

Correct

[opal mauve]

And if you're crouching, you don't outspeed them, and you can't go around them inside

So a dog hearing you inside at all is basically a death sentence

They're not fun

Lol

[drowsy mulch]

Is there any wiggle room with that? Say having an increased distance between the two, or a set distance between the topmost collision of the interior and the bottom of the moon?

As in would a very tall interior just poke through a moon

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-devil-may-cry-wacky-wahoo-man-adventures-dance-skill-issue-gif-26457289

[opal mauve]

You aren't wrong

But I stand by my statements

[limpid portal]

You can set the level generation root wherever and the dungeon generates around it

I think

[drowsy mulch]

Gotcha

[opal mauve]

I just realized, Brackens outside on Auralis? 👀

[limpid portal]

Terror

[opal mauve]

Flowermen amongst the trees?

[limpid portal]

I think people would uninstall Auralis lmao

[opal mauve]

I mean I dunno

As long as they don't cause lag, they're not insanely oppressive

Just gotta maintain outdoor awareness

[limpid portal]

tru

[opal mauve]

Coils outside are arguably worse than Bracken could ever hope to be outside

[limpid portal]

Hm. I need to test if they can get in the ship

[opal mauve]

I know Thumpers can if they get on the railing

[limpid portal]

I definitely fixed it for masked

[opal mauve]

But they aren't set up to normally get on the railing, so they kinda have to be coorced

[quartz mason]

That was the original idea I had for Asteroid-13

[opal mauve]

You excited Wesley? 😛 Finally boutta fix the infernal spiders

[opal mauve]

Honestly in my pack I'll likely set Coils to like a 5 spawn chance on Asteroid-13 if you don't

With it being a free moon, they should be rare, but possible

[quartz mason]

You have no idea

[opal mauve]

Definitely will want to add the patch as a dependency to your moons once it's out

[limpid portal]

Gotta eat dinner soon and watch a movie with my gf, but I'll drop it tonight, 99% guarantee

[opal mauve]

Sounds good

[quartz mason]

I am genuinely curious to how Etern will play when nutcrackers can actually move around

[opal mauve]

Etern gonna become a lot more difficult, that's for sure

[quartz mason]

You are a legend

[opal mauve]

But you already have plenty of cover / crawl spots so I think it'll be fine

[sharp orchid]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077030283792097420/1155379940045357076/c-1.gif

i like

mosnter

[sharp sequoia]

Ong

[opal mauve]

@sharp orchid #1194042915840872548 message

[sharp orchid]

dude please release a standalone mod core of this

i NEED spore lizards on hydro

OMG AND THEN I CAN FINISH THE JUNKYARD

[opal mauve]

Best part is, Hydro has plenty of cover, so they shouldn't cause too much lag

[sharp orchid]

AND PUT IT IN GENERIC MOONS

OMG

[opal mauve]

I'd love to see some spore bois outside

They fit Hydro rather well

[limpid portal]

Oh it's 100% a standalone mod

[sharp orchid]

i love you

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-gawrsh-disney-im-shy-gif-17449799

but fr though, y'all's excitement is like crack to me rn

[sharp orchid]

ive been needing this for

a month

i cant say months

cus i just got here

jan 5th

i can finally do this

:3

small question

would hoarding bugs steal stuff from the ship

?

or would they just try to take stuff from players

[limpid portal]

Not sure tbh

I can test it later

[sharp orchid]

alr

ty

[quartz mason]

I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited! I'm excited!

[tender ember]

speaking from experience from lethal escape; they might

[quartz mason]

That sounds hilarious

[tender ember]

i had them go under the ship's floor and taking keys

so uh

use shelves people

[quartz mason]

Last day before quota and they just clean your ship while you're gone

[tender ember]

yeah its also funny that i have the neco arc hoarding bug mod

and that one adds the hoarding bug day

which basically makes their spawn rate skyrocket on the set day

[kindred wyvern]

GET THE SHOVEL

[tender ember]

scary stuff im telling ya

[limpid portal]

@quartz mason do you place any enemies by hand outside?

trying to account for some different use cases

[quartz mason]

Nope

[opal mauve]

Oh @limpid portal try not to get excited and ping everyone whenever you release it, I got timed out before for pinging too many people at once for a mod release xD

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely want to know, just can't ping everyone at the same time

[quartz mason]

I too would graciously accept a ping on release lol

[viral oasis]

just tried baboon hawks inside and they have the same issue

they can still attack other creatures though strangely

[quartz mason]

It is funny to enter a facility right into an all out war between dogs and baboon hawks lol

[sharp orchid]

I second this

Please I need this so bad 😭

[frozen dove]

I didn't know this until I found mauled manticoils on Triskelion 😂

[limpid portal]

Back at my desk, time to cook some more 🫡

Current test: Interior Eyeless Dogs

[glossy plover]

BUDDDYYYY.............

[limpid portal]

You've been here since like hour 1 of Starlancer when you made that little preview vid, I appreciate you 💙

[glossy plover]

thank you

i appreciate the time, effort, and passion that you put into the things you create

they're honestly really cool

[limpid portal]

We've come so far 🥹

[hearty pumice]

is it fine to update StarlancerMoons to v0.5.6 while having LLL on v1.0.7?

or i can now update LLL to latest?

[limpid portal]

I think it still works on LLL 1.0.7

Batby will be working on a new update for LLL tomorrow

[hearty pumice]

does it not work on latest version of LLL?

[limpid portal]

It does

[hearty pumice]

people are saying that there are problems with LLL but i havent experienced them since im playing solo

and i even have all Holograph's SDK,LE and LECore lol

[limpid portal]

Yeah idk what all incompatibilities there are, I know the worst one is any mod that skips the intro sequence though, completely breaks the current version of LLL

[opal mauve]

Only bug you'll notice solo is moon route prices being 0

[formal thorn]

LE moon prices*

[hearty pumice]

LE and LLL price conflicts?

[formal thorn]

LE moons don't have a price while using current LLL due to an issue with LE

[opal mauve]

Also, there is literally zero reason to have SDK installed, and no reason unless it's a dependency to keep LethalExpansion. (And you can even still remove that if you're using r2modman). LethalSDK isn't even a mod, it's a development tool, does nothing in the mods folder.

[hearty pumice]

anyways. Welcome back

[hearty pumice]

does Budafest work with LECore?

[opal mauve]

It does. You can uninstall LethalSDK, it having the wrong dependency is a known issue

[hearty pumice]

well SDK just downloaded itself when i downloaded Budafest

[lost root]

i dont have LE i have LEcore and it still was 0 price

[formal thorn]

yes

90% of lecore's code is the same as LE's

both need to be fixed

[lost root]

Mk

[hearty pumice]

so i can just remove SDK now?

[opal mauve]

Yee

[hearty pumice]

well thanks to that. now my modlist is 200 flat

[lost root]

200 mods damn i only have rn like 97

[hearty pumice]

mostly are just cosmetics

[lost root]

XD fair

I need to get starlancer

[limpid portal]

Interior dog just ate me \[T]/

[opal mauve]

I have 110 atm

But that's gonna increase hard when this patch drops

[lost root]

:)

[opal mauve]

[hearty pumice]

kinda like 30% are moons and interiors. 40% are cosmetics and extra scraps and 30% are QoL stuff and fixes really

[lost root]

Do you know anymore interiors?

I think i have all of them but idk

[drowsy mulch]

Wym by that

Oh a list

I like lists one sec

[lost root]

Ye

[lost root]

🤣

[drowsy mulch]

Released:
SCP Foundation Dungeon
Bunker (More Interiors)
Castle, Sewers (Scoopy's Variety)
Scarlet Devil Mansion
Office (LC Office)
Oobleterra
Pool Rooms
Minecraft Stronghold

Secondary Dungeons:
Backrooms
Bracken Space, Walker Space (Diversity)

WIP:
Hadal Laboratories
Sewer (More Interiors)
Hospital (Dantor's Mental Hospital)
Tomb (Egypt)
Forerunner Dungeons

[lost root]

Oobleterra Cant wait until this fully releases same with the WIP ones

[opal mauve]

Pool Rooms look cool

Would have been perfect for Callisto but Callisto is buggy af

[lost root]

Callisto?

[drowsy mulch]

Hospital has my eye the most right now I think from the WIP list, just have a good feeling about that one

[limpid portal]

Okay so the only noticeable bug I've found so far is that jumping onto the ship semi-breaks coilhead's movement animation. It just kinda...slides? If you interact with the ladder to climb, it still "loses" you, but it resumes its normal walking animation

[lost root]

Coilheads outside are weird anyways

[drowsy mulch]

Poor monsters, the company didn't give them a nice handicap-accessible ramp

[opal mauve]

Moon

[opal mauve]

That's what Star is fixing atm lmao

[lost root]

ah

[limpid portal]

I'll be counting on y'all to test this in multiplayer for me btw 🤭

[lost root]

Bet

[limpid portal]

Just in case you didn't see, I want to put out the clarification that:

This mod will not add enemy spawns anywhere. It will simply allow other mods to place enemies wherever they want and have them assume the correct AI behavior.

[limpid portal]

So I stole some candy from a lootbug and took it to ship. It got angry, followed me to the ship, and promptly took the candy back and went home

[sharp orchid]

thats amazing

[lost root]

Now thats just mean

[sharp orchid]

only thing i need to figure out is how to make small scap spawn outside

that would be huge

[lost root]

He was enjoying it

[limpid portal]

Btw, currently testing different entry points for the code to see the most performant way to call it, but I think I'm almost done.

[limpid portal]

Might be as simple as placing an empty node with the ScrapSpawn tag

[sharp orchid]

oh

wow

[formal thorn]

ehhhhhh

yesnt

it will dip into the scrap amount and total your telling the dungeon to provide

[sharp orchid]

oh

that makes it better

imo

[opal mauve]

Which means you can theoretically design an entire moon with no interior, no?

Since you just tell the game how much scrap you want

[formal thorn]

nah

well

no nah

too many things would break

[opal mauve]

Fair nuff

How does the company building handle it?

[formal thorn]

it doesn't spawn scrap.

[opal mauve]

Fair

[opal mauve]

Just FYI @limpid portal, I may be able to test in multiplayer tonight if it releases soon-ish. Can't promise anything but I have some friends who may be free

Not saying "rush a release" or anything, just letting you know that I may be able to playtest if it happens to line up

[limpid portal]

Kk, I found that the method I was doing things was kinda... forced? bc I did a silly thing, so I'm testing a hopefully more accurate build rn

It turned out instead of checking for a certain bool alongside position, I was checking if that bool existed? I guess? So it was setting things purely based on their position. Which is fine, in a way, but I wanna make it as performant as possible

I want it to be

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-elegant-elegance-gif-3561089886890940443

[silk tusk]

omfg I watched that episode not even 3-4 days ago lol

[limpid portal]

I placed a lootbug and a bracken as prefabs outside, and set dogs on the inside spawn list, and it seems good \[T]/

Note that the bunker spider, which also spawned from an interior event, did not trigger my code

[opal mauve]

Starlancer AI Log, huh?

[limpid portal]

For the moment 🤭

[opal mauve]

Very nice though

[limpid portal]

Wanna fight about the name? (9 ' - ' )9

[formal thorn]

curious what the code is like

[opal mauve]

Nah, it's a cute name

Even if not practical once it becomes a dependency for 50 other mods

[limpid portal]

How so? I would think it'd be good to see whenever the mod is firing in case the code gets stuck in a loop

[limpid portal]

Happy to share it soon!

[opal mauve]

Nah I'm not saying the logging isn't practical

I more meant if that was the name of the mod

[limpid portal]

Ohhhh yeah that's just the placeholder lol

[opal mauve]

Fair nuff

[light talon]

Lurking in here cause exterior ai is exciting

[opal mauve]

Yeee

[limpid portal]

So for the name, I think I'll keep it simple and just call it "Starlancer AI Fix"

Gotta keep up the branding

[light talon]

Makes sense

Hell yeah

People gotta know you made it

[limpid portal]

Okay, one more test then I'm gonna upload it I guess

[drowsy mulch]

certified mod by the star of lancer

[limpid portal]

The coilheads might still slide around if you hop on the ship while they're chasing you, but it's just a tactic to make you let your guard down

[light talon]

Doggie!

[opal mauve]

I'm telling you doggies inside are bad

please don't

But I am waiting excitedly

[limpid portal]

Almost there :)

[light talon]

The mod will just fix outside ai right?

[opal mauve]

It also lets outside enemies work indoors

[light talon]

It isn't spawning stuff outside

[opal mauve]

...as well as they can, anyways

Correct

It handles no spawning, just AI corrections

[light talon]

Hell yeah

[opal mauve]

It's up to moons and other mods to handle spawning

[light talon]

Now I can dream of moon concepts with inside enemies outside

[opal mauve]

@limpid portal You need an icon? I made one for my mod suggestion if so

Or I can make one using Auralis if you'd prefer

[limpid portal]

What'cha got?

[opal mauve]

This is what I got at the moment, can make a similar thing with Auralis if wanted

[limpid portal]

lmao sure!

[opal mauve]

Just a basic icon that says "No, broken Coilheads bad"

Any particular enemy you want showcased with the ()?

[limpid portal]

Lootbugs \[T]/

idk really lol

[opal mauve]

Yippee

[limpid portal]

I'm slightly concerned people might think it's removing the enemy though

[opal mauve]

Fair

Up to you if you think you have a better icon idea

[light talon]

Could just be something like, an enemy outside the main doors

[opal mauve]

Troo

[light talon]

Use control company for a quick screenshot

[opal mauve]

Just a Lootbug outside the door with a scrap

[light talon]

If it can allow inside mobs outside

[opal mauve]

[light talon]

Yeah!

Haha

[limpid portal]

So this doesn't let enemies escape from inside, it just makes it so that if an inside enemy is spawned outside (or vice versa), they'll adopt the correct AI

I could call the function on Update, but I feel like that'd be a waste of cpu

[opal mauve]

Still, an image of an indoor enemy out on Auralis is probably a good icon

[limpid portal]

I agree. Can you get a lootbug holding some candy?

[opal mauve]

I dunno how easy it is to spawn a Candy

I can try tho

[limpid portal]

idk exactly how Lethal Escape functions, but ideally to work alongside my mod it would destroy the enemy and then respawn it on the other side of the door

[opal mauve]

I believe LethalEscape already has its own functions to make this work with enemies that escape anyways

So it doesn't need this

[limpid portal]

Ah kk

[opal mauve]

Gonna see if I can get you an icon rn

Trying out both ControlCompany and GameMaster to see if I can do it

[limpid portal]

Thankee ^^

[light talon]

If ya need a second hand lemmie know!

[opal mauve]

Just need to know what the best way to spawn a specific scrap is

If GameMaster will work or if I need another mod

[light talon]

I haven't used GameMaster so I don't know about it

I think I've seen a mod that lets ya buy scrap at the terminal but idk if it lets you specify

[opal mauve]

Yeah I don't think GameMaster lets me spawn a specific scrap @limpid portal

I'll see what I can do

[limpid portal]

kk, no worries :)
My first thought was my same pic of Auralis with:

SL
AI
Over it

But I prefer the yippee

[light talon]

Only other guess I'd say is lethaldevmode may let you spawn items in?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/megumin/LethalDevMode/

[drowsy mulch]

Gotta have a shot with space for the iconic Starlancer logo above the enemy

It's not a real starlancer mod without the logo

[light talon]

@opal mauve item/enemy spawning

[limpid portal]

Okay, so for some reason Baboon Hawks are resisting my power

They'll notice me inside, but they won't attack

So I might make an explicit bit for them lol

[opal mauve]

Ugh I can't get LethalDevMode or GameMaster to spawn a Hoarding Bug outside for some reason

[drowsy mulch]

You got this Nikki, this will be the photo of a lifetime

Maybe 2 lifetimes

[limpid portal]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh the damn thing isn't tagged the same as everything else

[opal mauve]

Weird

[opal mauve]

I can't get Control Company to work either

Gah

[light talon]

You hit 0 for the full list of enemies?

Since some are hidden

[opal mauve]

Yes

[light talon]

Like the lasso

Oof

[opal mauve]

Got one last set of ideas

Star, have you tried getting indoor enemies to spawn outside on Auralis? It's not suffering from the Triskelion bug, is it?

[limpid portal]

I haven't, but it's a bug specific to my mods related to how LLL works, so I'm probably the only one right now that would encounter it

Batby knows about it though

The problem is that LLL doesn't account for silly people that put multiple moons into a single mod 🤭

[light talon]

That's silly

[opal mauve]

Alright I got it

Apparently Control Company only lets you control enemies that would be naturally in that environment

So I had to set AdvancedCompany to allow Hoarding Bugs outside

[light talon]

THERE HE IS

[opal mauve]

Just needs the "Starlancer" logo and AI Fix text

but there's an icon base for ya @limpid portal

[limpid portal]

Thanks so much!

[opal mauve]

Np!

[limpid portal]

How the hell did you do that so fast

Are you... a photoshopper?

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-shocked-jaw-dropping-jaw-drop-gif-23524458

[opal mauve]

And now my revenge for them not working properly

[drowsy mulch]

I've been doing minor image manipulation stuff for a mod so I happened to know how to do that quick lol

[opal mauve]

Hey, whatever works

It definitely needs the "AI Fix" text though

[limpid portal]

Yee, but I appreciate it @drowsy mulch !

[drowsy mulch]

Yeah don't have the actual font unfortunately

Np, happy to help

[spiral halo]

Is it true you are making a mod that fixes indoor enemies outside? was told

[opal mauve]

Yup

Should be released tonight

[spiral halo]

oh? are you a dev?

[opal mauve]

Nah, just been helping Star figure stuff out and make icons and whatnot

Just regurgitating what they've said

[spiral halo]

cool, very helpful

[limpid portal]

Yep! She's been great lol

Here's the real reason not to spawn Baboon Hawks indoors btw

🤭

[opal mauve]

LMAO

[light talon]

lol

[opal mauve]

#1194042915840872548 message

[sharp orchid]

oh dear god

[opal mauve]

@spiral halo Have a video

I need to restart my PC, it's having a conniption after that for some reason

Seems it really didn't like unfixed Lootbugs outside

[sharp orchid]

When is tonight

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077030283792097420/1155379940045357076/c-1.gif

[limpid portal]

Very soon. I just made sure BH can attack/kill inside, now I just wanna test outside spawns again, THEN quickly slap the icon, manifest, and readme together

[light talon]

Ya gonna make a new thread for the mod here?

I imagine it'll explode lol

[limpid portal]

Plus I still need to do dishes ;^;

[limpid portal]

You mean like a separate forum post?

[light talon]

Yee

[limpid portal]

Wasn't actually planning on it ^^; I kinda want this to be the Starlancer hub

But I can see the benefits

[light talon]

Valid

[opal mauve]

If I could I'd come do your dishes for you

Like legit lmao

[limpid portal]

That's very nice of you ^^

H'OKAY
Testing is done for now. Have a vid of a blob functioning outside while I whip the rest of this up

[opal mauve]

Can the blob get in the ship

I feel like that's really bad if so

[limpid portal]

Doubtful, but unknown

Bring a boombox

Put on StarlancerMusic

It rolls w/advantage against Hygroderes

[opal mauve]

You mean put on Kazotsky Kick Remix

And emote all over the blob

[limpid portal]

Dance to stay alive

[opal mauve]

Do not dance battle the blob

Blob always wins

[limpid portal]

Gonna give you a lil credit for the icon help, how would you like to be represented?

[opal mauve]

Just in the README as a mention is fine

Just Nikki or NikkiDarkMatter

[limpid portal]

kk!

[opal mauve]

Look at the cute buggy boi with the Candy

I wanted to give him a Painting but Candy works too

[light talon]

Fabulous creature

Consume candy

[opal mauve]

eats his candy

[light talon]

Angy

[opal mauve]

beats to death

Spore lizards > Hoarding bugs

Change my mind

[light talon]

I never see spore lizards

They so chill when I see em

[opal mauve]

Well they'll be outside on Generic Moons' Hydro soon

[light talon]

Ooo

[opal mauve]

[limpid portal]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AudioKnight/StarlancerAIFix/

[opal mauve]

YES

[light talon]

Downloading rn

With asteroid 13

If it works I'm pranking my friends with it tomorrow

[limpid portal]

@quartz mason @sharp orchid

[light talon]

"Oh that mod just fixes some bugs in the facility"

[sharp orchid]

FUCK I JUST GOT IN BEF

[light talon]

:3

[sharp orchid]

FUCKIJGN

SHHFJFB

[limpid portal]

I really hope it does, or I will cri

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[sharp orchid]

So how do I use it

So like

[limpid portal]

Step 1) Install it
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Profit

[sharp orchid]

If I make enemies spawn outside and the player has the mod installed, they work properly?

[limpid portal]

Yep

I think it might be server-side actually

so clients might not even need it

[light talon]

No way

[sharp orchid]

Swag

If it doesn’t work I’ll lyk

[light talon]

Who wants to join me to test that

[limpid portal]

bc it operates off of the level spawning a monster

[sharp orchid]

I’m so glad you did this cus I JUST finished the majority of the scrapyard

[formal thorn]

means u probably have to depend on this mod tho

[light talon]

Small price to pay

[limpid portal]

@formal thorn here's the code I used

[sharp orchid]

Idc

It’s not like it does anything on its own

[limpid portal]

...

[sharp orchid]

Right

?

[limpid portal]

I just realized I left a chunk of commented code

[sharp orchid]

Oh

[limpid portal]

kill me

[opal mauve]

LMAO

[limpid portal]

doesn't affect anything

but I was scrutinizing myself and being like AH YES, IT'S READY

[formal thorn]

why do you need this

[limpid portal]

y'know

I guess I don't

[formal thorn]

Lemme slide in dm for a sec

[limpid portal]

removing it would just make it apply to any created enemyAI lmao

[opal mauve]

Oh btw @sharp orchid my friend is very excited for the Junkyard map

[limpid portal]

kk

[sharp orchid]

[light talon]

Testing asteroid 13 with starlancer ai

[opal mauve]

Coils I presume?

[light talon]

Heheheheh

So in theory I'll see em walkin around

Last time I tried it I heard em run around but never saw them

[opal mauve]

Those are ambient noises to mess with you

They don't spawn by default

[light talon]

Oh interesting

Oh so does asteroid 13 not spawn any?

[opal mauve]

You'll need another mod like AdvancedCompany to make them spawn if you wanna test em

Correct

Infernis spawns Spiders naturally however

[light talon]

I am a fool

lol

[opal mauve]

And Etern spawns Nutcrackers

So you can test them c:

[light talon]

Time to download etern

Okay time to test etern

[silk tusk]

did i just take a peek in here and see people talkin' bout AI fixing?

[light talon]

If it works I'll try AC and asteroid

[silk tusk]

Oi - if any of y'all actually fix em

[opal mauve]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AudioKnight/StarlancerAIFix/

[silk tusk]

poke that darn wesley boi 'n like... whoever else - to use that mod as a dependency >->

[opal mauve]

It's already out my dude

Wesley knows it was in dev

But I should probably @quartz mason

[silk tusk]

that sounds like it only affects starlancer

[opal mauve]

It doesn't

It's just designed for Starlancer

It works on any moon

[silk tusk]

nvm <~<

[crimson helm]

+1 for this mod getting its own thread. I can't even count the number of times I've seen "everyone wants outside AI fixed and is just waiting for someone to do it", so I imagine this is gonna explode relatively fast. I think discussions over fixes / compatibility / suggestions for it as they raised would be better suited for its own thread, while all Starlancer Moons fit here really well
Speaking of, this is amazing and I can't wait to run into coilheads on Asteroid13 in my personal pack now. Big thanks for being the one to undertake this

[opal mauve]

It might be a good idea to have its own thread

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-jeez-metal-gear-solid-snake-gif-5014677

[opal mauve]

[light talon]

Is that RubberRoss lol

[silk tusk]

This is just the tutorial level, the REAL MODS ARE OVER THERE

[opal mauve]

Rude

[silk tusk]

<-<

[quartz mason]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[light talon]

Do nutcrackers spawn on etern immediately or does it take till night?

[opal mauve]

They take time

[silk tusk]

https://youtu.be/jluv2HxFEqs?t=9

[light talon]

Currently I'm just letting an AI control a nutcracker I spawned through control company

He wanders around a good bit

[opal mauve]

Nice!

Waiting on Thunderstore cuz I'm too lazy to manual install only to install later

[light talon]

lol

[limpid portal]

I'll make a new thread in a few, just tidying up my code with Batby

[opal mauve]

Unfortunately my friend got held up late at work so I will unable to test multiplayer tonight

But I will asap

[limpid portal]

No worries! It'll be there 🤭

[light talon]

A uh

A baboon hawk just killed a nutcracker

The one I'm controlling lmao

I'm up on a hill where all these damn masks can't reach me Lol

Nutcrackers are definitely running around

I don't see them go into sentry mode very often tho

But they do do it

Oh yeah they seem great

Hopped down and heard constant rotating Lmao

Gonna grab AC and try asteroid 13

[quartz mason]

It's so nice to see those nutcrackers actually do something for a change

[light talon]

Hell yeah

[quartz mason]

When I get home from work, I'm going to make a few.. adjustments to asteroid13

[light talon]

:)

@opal mauve where in AC config do I make coil heads spawn on asteroid?

[opal mauve]

Gimme a sec, eating food

and then I can show ya

[light talon]

Cool cool

[limpid portal]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206494982521753620

[light talon]

If I'm unsure what's a bug with your mod and what's just the enemy AI not understanding how outside works

Should I put it in there anyway?

[limpid portal]

Yeah, go ahead and mention it there. Honestly not much I can probably do about it, but ya never know I suppose

[light talon]

Alrighty

[hearty pumice]

what does the Starlancer AI Fix does?

it works on other modded moons as well? like a path finder fix?

[opal mauve]

Mhm

Makes indoor enemy AI work outside

and vice versa

[hearty pumice]

oh then it will work with Lethal Escape better?

[opal mauve]

Maybe, Lethal Escape already has its own code to do that

It may or may not assist

Best you can do is try it

[hearty pumice]

do you think they will conflict?

[opal mauve]

Unsure tbh

[hearty pumice]

i cant test till tonight which is like 12 hours from now

ill bookmark the link for now

i have too many AI related mods that im unsure if that fix would interact with it. hopefully they dont conflict

[lofty sphinx]

the starlancer moons dont show up on the terminal after getting the ai fix mod

i run a modpack but the moons were there with the other mods as well before getting the ai mod

[limpid portal]

I'll check later. That makes no sense tho, I used my moons to test the ai fix 😔

this has been resolved in the AI fix thread

[frozen dove]

I love Callisto's look but man, reputable needs to join the discord or have a git or something, I wanna report findings 😭

[onyx dirge]

RIGHT? 😭

[livid rover]

will it be optional to make the ai come in and go out of the facility? i would hope thats its a customizable option that lets you change exactly which ones can spawn where and vice versa through lethalconfig or something like that, im not sure how keen i am about interior eyeless dogs or exterior coilheads, but i really like the moons so i don't wanna have to get rid of them because i dislike this

to elaborate, i would like the individual enemies to be modular if thats possible, i like the idea of exterior bracken and thumper, but im not a fan of things like exterior coil head and interior dogs

[frozen dove]

Isn't that already handled by lethal escape?

[livid rover]

lethal escape handles inside enemies escaping to the outdoors, what audio knight has been talking about is them spawning outdoors to begin with, and lethal escape doesn't seem to control enemies going into the facility from the outside, which audio is also working on, though i've not used lethal escape myself

[frozen dove]

Ohhh

[livid rover]

i just don't want the enemies being omni-versal to be a fact of life when downloading the mod, i think there are plenty of people who like the moons yet don't like the idea of all the monsters getting the masked treatment, though like i said before i wouldn't be opposed to some of them getting that ability, so i asked if modularity might be possible

[limpid portal]

Apologies if it was unclear, but Starlancer AI Fix won't be doing any spawning itself. It's just a helper to give an enemy the correct AI depending on its initial spawn position

Also, here's the dedicated forum post for the fix :)
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206494982521753620

[limpid portal]

Oh and it doesn't give any capability of leaving the facility

[livid rover]

ah, so you'd need a separate mod to be able to spawn them inside and outside

[frozen dove]

Huh so what enemies are planned to be outside and on what moons?

[gilded quail]

So basically mods that would allow for enemies switching back and forth or spawning in one place or the other would use your mod as a framework?

[limpid portal]

Think of my AI Fix more as a dependency that moon-makers would use to be able to put interior enemies into the outside spawn list (or vice versa) and have them function properly.

[limpid portal]

It depends on how they handle things tbh

If it just teleports the current instance of the enemy like it does with players, then my mod won't do anything and they'll need to sorta emulate what I've done so far.

If the method for them leaving or entering is done by creating a new instance of the enemy on the other side of the door and destroying the old instance, then my mod would handle it, as far as I'm aware

[livid rover]

interesting

[gilded quail]

I can already see that second one running into issues depending on the moon because of their power levels

[frozen dove]

The jester took it personally when everyone left the facility

[limpid portal]

If you're talking about my moons, I'm not sure yet lol, I just wanted to make this framework lol

[limpid portal]

Possibly, but as long as the enemy is "killed" when they're destroyed to remove the power level, it won't accumulate

[frozen dove]

Yeah I wad thinking about LethalQuantities the other day and what spawns actually would fit outside, Hoarder bugs were a funny thought fighting with baboon hawks but they'd get their butts handed to them trying to take from big bird

[gilded quail]

Outdoor Bracken and Thumper actually sound kinda sick

There might need to be bigger interior maps out to justify things like dogs and baboon hawks, though

[livid rover]

yeah i don't particularly see much of a need for exterior hoarding bugs, since the baboon hawks are so similar
i think exterior bracken would be interesting, but his AI would need to change slightly, i like the idea of the bracken being more of a threat on the moon as a whole, but with his ai and the way your vision works in this game, you'd need to find a way to make his "staring too long" requirement less of a pain, because the maps are so open it'd genuinely be hard to break line of sight with him on places like triskellion

but i really want it to happen, recently i've found brackens rarely pose a threat anymore and i think they're easily one of the coolest and most iconic creatures in this game, letting them go outside with their forest giant bretheren would help with that i think

like blubberbeast said the thumper works too, as both the dogs and giants are relatively slow and a fast moving outdoor enemy would be a nice change of pace, i can imagine looping it using its speed and causing it to go tumbling down the hole on march

[frozen dove]

The brackens threat is being a little fire exit camping git, I swear every time I die to him it's because the fire exit doesn't say there's activity and he's just sitting on it

[limpid portal]

In my tests on Triskelion, the bracken sorta lost sight as I rounded the corner going down stairs, so a Triskelion outdoor bracken might be fairer than you think.
I'm not 100% sure about how thumper momentum works, but navmesh typically prevents enemies from falling into holes

[gilded quail]

It's really quite unfair tbh

[livid rover]

thats nice to hear, i really want outdoors bracken to happen so its good to know it might not need much altering
sad, but also c'est la vie, if thats how the game is fundamentally coded it might be better to keep it that way than to risk breaking something serious

[limpid portal]

Very true

[frozen dove]

Yeah brackens have a favourite room and when seen they try to path to it, in vanilla there's a glitch where he can be pulled out the facility and his AI just breaks, not sure how lethal escape handles it unless he just re-enters the facility again

[hearty pumice]

would this conflict with the pathfinder fix mod?

[autumn willow]

no

[limpid portal]

Pretty sure it won't, it modifies a different area of EnemyAI if I'm reading it correctly

[opal mauve]

I use PathfindingLagFix and have no issues

[spiral halo]

Any plans to add co fig that can allow a safe area around the ship from certain enemies? Since a blob getting in the ship for instance will suck

Like maybe it’s a hand list of creatures that can’t enter the ship

Because I would block the blob from getting up on the platform, uhh maybe spider? Idk what snare fleas do outside they may need to enter the ship

[limpid portal]

I'm pretty sure certain enemies don't have the capability of using "climb" or "jump" navmesh links, bc Coilheads don't follow into the ship, and Hoarder Bugs don't climb in (but they can fly in if aggroed). I don't think a Blob could enter the ship at all.

But there are currently no plans to make a config for any of that

[spiral halo]

Not sure on the others, I do have a clip of a hoarding bug stealing from my ship tho, they used ladders but that was with lethal escape

[limpid portal]

Interesting. It may have just been unlucky that it couldn't detect the scrap I had on the ship. Btw here's the official AI Fix post
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206494982521753620

[spiral halo]

Danke

[analog pollen]

The new Drone Enemy is so fitting for Triskillion ❤️ hehe

[limpid portal]

Oooh fun!

[opal mauve]

Can you link me to the thread for the mod if it has one? wanna learn more

[glossy plover]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206577004263120968

[analog pollen]

Triskillion, Peepers and Shockdrone Meta 😄

the emp gets them off you 😄

[dense venture]

does the music mod from starlancer conflicts with lethalresonance?

[limpid portal]

Not sure what LR does exactly, but StarlancerMusic just injects my original songs into the vanilla boombox songlist

[dense venture]

oh

I thought it was like ambience music

[limpid portal]

Nah

[dense venture]

so what does the AIFix does exactly? Is it needed?

btw why is it downgrading lethalib and LLL? sorry for that much questions I'm just new to the mod

[limpid portal]

It lets creators put inside enemies outside and vice versa without breaking their AI

[limpid portal]

I just haven't pushed a new update since they released, you can update

[dense venture]

ok thank you :)

[limpid portal]

Wait, @dense venture it shouldn't be downgrading anything. There's no dependency in my mods on LethalLib, and the LLL dependency is up-to-date

[dense venture]

weird

I was messing around with your modpack and suddenly my LLL and LethalLib were downgraded

I reinstalled it and didn't happen now

not sure what that was about then

[limpid portal]

Yeah that's quite strange, glad it's resolved tho

[hearty bluff]

I didn't want to lose Triskelion in the newer version 😔

[limpid portal]

Wdym? It's there

[hearty bluff]

oh it's reactivated, I remember seeing a patchnote that it was disabled so I held off

[limpid portal]

Oh yeah, I fixed the issue a while back ^^;

[opal mauve]

Hey Star, if I commissioned you and made the animations would you code a mod for me

I need Hoarding Bugs to dance to boomboxes

[native surge]

I think there are some mods that do that

HoardingBud?

(Everything should be configurable in that mod)

[opal mauve]

HoarderBud broken for me with modded moons

Dev says he has a fix tho

[finite fossil]

Good hecking moons

[limpid portal]

Possibly 🤭

I could always use money

[onyx dirge]

👀

Masa has a habit of throwing away money to artists to see art being made

[limpid portal]

I've commissioned a friend of mine to make album art twice now, and both times she's knocked it out of the park

also my mods have a Kofi link if you think moons are art

I'll share the album art in a bit when I'm at my PC, it's so good

[onyx dirge]

Moons are art, modeling is art

[sharp sequoia]

True true true

[onyx dirge]

Masa's been dying for a Spider content mod lately tbh. Its just not getting out of Masa's head. The ideas in Masa's head in general have been revolving around expanding the content of existing creatures and building things around them tbh @.@

Had a awesome Mask idea at some point which Masa never wrote up, which had a interior that was like a 'theater' but also 'Mask infected interiors' with different Mask type enemies and scraps and stuff

[quartz mason]

A theatre interior would be sick

[sharp sequoia]

Ong

[quartz mason]

Like having the pretty halls where guests usually walk through and the wooden dirty backstage area as alternate hallways

[onyx dirge]

The idea came from the whole thought of 'what do Masked do when they arent trying to convert others? Would they convert their environment into their own theatrics?' so like a 'Mask infected' interior, and a theatre that in reality is a place overtaken by Maskeds and turned into strange, liminal theatrics came to mind

[quartz mason]

Yeah what do those enemies do when we're not around
Do they all just hang out, have a game night

[onyx dirge]

Yesss, exactly.

And like, rooms with mockup cardboards and mannequins and stuff, and areas with bulges in the walls that are strangely shaped like the drama masks.

[sharp sequoia]

That would fit very well with Atlas Abyss maybe

[onyx dirge]

Should-- Should Masa just start writing the Mask expansion idea in #1188298686560739389 ? :o

[sharp sequoia]

Theme yeah aesthetic maybe not

Yes !

[quartz mason]

Weirdly maybe even with Atlantica

[sharp sequoia]

Yeah very true

[quartz mason]

dewit

[sharp sequoia]

Bioshock

[onyx dirge]

"A cruise ship overtaken by the Drama, stranded in Atlantica. Now they waltz between barnacles and kelps, a eternal curtain call for poseidon's world. Until those without a mask came to unmask the show.. Let them drown in tragedy, sink in comedy, fall and rise like ebb and flow.."

Okay fuggit time to dew it
Sorry Audio Knight for taking over the forum ;w; But that is what the Masks do

[quartz mason]

Convert the forum!

Masks will rule all

[bronze girder]

isnt there archanophobia mod for the spider thing

[onyx dirge]

Arachnophilia yes, for improving the spider

Though Masa moreso means moons, new enemies etc

[bronze girder]

true

[limpid portal]

@onyx dirge not even gonna ask me to make it smh my head

Here's the album arts I had commissioned btw, the artist is TheTinyTaco :3

[onyx dirge]

Yo uwanan make it? ;w;

wuwuwuhuhrgg

[onyx dirge]

OMG THAT LOOKS SO GOOD.

The first picture reminds Masa so much of The Binding of Isaac

[limpid portal]

I was looking at your post and it definitely seems like an awesome idea

Complicated, but awesome 🤭

"The Starlancer Theatre" also has a nice ring to it

[onyx dirge]

Ohhh, yeah it does! And yeah no, Masa always likes to be ambitious about the idea for the draft. It can always be adjusted for the dev's comfort of creation of course. :D

Masa will take a little break from writing for now, since information of the Interior, the Act and 1 enemy would be a good enough representation for what Masa's going for idea wise

Though for the other things not yet written, Masa could pretty much TL;DR them
Pokerfaces are masks protruding from the wall trying to mask you (masks you like the item, not the enemy), puppet is a enemy highly inspired by the puppet from Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion & the Director is a VERY ambitious enemy that has multiple functions, a gun, hallucinations & conversions

[limpid portal]

lemmeeeeeeeeeee see about a thing

[onyx dirge]

👀

[limpid portal]

Yea there's no good free theatre assets on the unity store or itchio, so I'd have to do my own modeling, but lemme try a thing. Idk when I'll be able to share anything, but it's a great idea 🎭

I'm not well-versed in 3d modeling

[onyx dirge]

Wait-- For real? :O

Well.. you can always contact Masa if you want some train of thought! :'D

[limpid portal]

Yea? 🤭

kk!

[onyx dirge]

YEAAA MASA'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE MOD WORLD!!!111

[limpid portal]

I make no promises, but I like to learn and figure things out :P

Animations would probably be the hardest part for me tbh

[onyx dirge]

Of course, Masa's just glad that it inspires people. ^^

[limpid portal]

But also this would definitely be something to tackle in small chunks

I'm really bad about having a grand idea and then falling apart bc I try to do all of it at once 🤭

[onyx dirge]

Oh yeah no, definitely isn't good to overwhelm yourself haha. Masa knows that feeling with event organizing and stuff.

Are you going for the interior first?

[limpid portal]

That's the plan! I haven't actually made any tilesets/dungen stuff for my mods yet, but I wanna just see if I can probuilder a little amphitheater

[onyx dirge]

Because if so, perhaps trying to model the stage area could give a good feel of what you want the rest modelled after. :3

Yeah!

Honestly Masa would've loved to help with the modelling or coding but Masa is trying to learn how to do any of that. Got 0 experience, so its going to be a long journey. Though Masa has a lot of experience in writing, and making ideas, so that's utilized instead to try and help at the moment. 😅

[limpid portal]

All facets are important!

[onyx dirge]

Yuh!

[limpid portal]

This is just a random image I grabbed, but I feel like it'd fit the vibe of LC to not too be too grand of a tileset

[onyx dirge]

Mhm. Though Masa did envision the main theatre room to be spaceous, with like a interactable organ, and maybe a upper balcony hallway that allows you to like, see the room from down below.

Small steps is always the best steps though!

[limpid portal]

Yee, I'd also repurpose basegame assets where I could. Like that little box in front of the stage in that pic could be like one of the lockers in the factory tileset that sometimes has scrap in it. Just change up the material on it and maybe alter/replace the model and bam

[onyx dirge]

Ohh yeah

Perhaps there could be a gap inbetween the crowd and the stage :o The fall wouldnt necessarily drop you dead, but rather damage you a slight bit, and put you into the backstage tilesets. Or a drop enough for a ladder to get you back up!

[limpid portal]

Backstage like a separate interior dungeon? Or just like a specific room that connects to the stage?

[sharp sequoia]

That’s insane

[onyx dirge]

Specific room tied to the one big tile that connects to the backstage themed tilesets which can lead back up to the stage at some point.

Did have a tile in mind though that has a drop into either another tile below the current tile, or the Lethal abyss if there is none

But that's another tile :3

[limpid portal]

@onyx dirge Very rough draft, just to sort of get a feel

[onyx dirge]

Ohh, neat.

this could probably serve as one of the smaller theatres in the tilesets tbh now that Masa thinks about it. It wouldn't be out of the question for a Masked civilization to have multiple areas where they can perform.

Would probably make like, paths at the sides. Maaaybe at the middle but who knows.

[limpid portal]

Yea, like I said, just an attempt to get a vibe 🤭

I might have to re-learn Blender basics and do it all there tbh

[onyx dirge]

Yee. Just getting Masa's train of thought in the meantime haha

[limpid portal]

probuilder is nice, but it's... lacking in some departments

[onyx dirge]

Mh. Never heard of probuilder tbh.

[limpid portal]

It's built in to Unity as a sort of modeling for prototyping things out

[onyx dirge]

Ahh, okay. Yeah no, closest to modeling Masa got was uhhh, well the first screen of Blender haha

[limpid portal]

I've only dabbled and followed the classic donut tutorial 🤭

Which was back in 2018 😓

[onyx dirge]

Did you make that donut? Or is that the default donut you are being tutorialed for? cx

[limpid portal]

I followed a tutorial to make the donut :)

[onyx dirge]

That donut, ngl, looks pretty delicious

[opal mauve]

This is the only 3d model I've ever made, made it the other day for my cosmetic mod lmao
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/vaggies-spear-4e728e90f28145d7847e1b892888b4fc

[limpid portal]

That's a cool spearhead design!

Well done recreating it :3

[opal mauve]

Tyty

[onyx dirge]

Ohhh, nice. :D

[opal mauve]

I'm the type of person who, if I really want something, and I can't find it, I do it my damn self

But I'm still learning sooo

[onyx dirge]

Masa -would- be that person if Masa had the power

Masa is like a small person trying to reach cookie jar at the top shelf :C

[limpid portal]

Masa can gain as much power as Masa wants!

[onyx dirge]

Just need to get uppies to build the throne ☝️

[dark harness]

ok so with the latest lll... why cant i select starlancer moons?

[opal mauve]

Do you have any intro skip mods

Uninstall them if so

[dark harness]

oh

oooooh

[limpid portal]

Ty Nikki, my tech support

[opal mauve]

Of course

I fix all the problems that aren't directly development related

That way you can spend your valuable time breaking Triskelion

I mean uhhh

[limpid portal]

Well right now my focus is breaking fixing AI 🤭

[opal mauve]

Just break the enemy's knees until they work the way you want them to

:3

[limpid portal]

Exactly!!

[raven mica]

yea my starlancer moons wont appear either

and i dont have any intro skipping mods

@opal mauve is there any other reason you know why it wont work ?

[opal mauve]

Only reason I know is intro skipping mods

[crimson helm]

Do you have GeneralImprovements? it has an intro skip option

[lunar pumice]

lol what’s the maid outfit mod

I want to just start a lobby with my friends and just not mention it’s in the pack

[onyx dirge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/OfEden/ScavengerMaid/

[lunar pumice]

Sweet thanks lol

[onyx dirge]

np lol

[raven mica]

No

[lost root]

I may just get that cus funny

[onyx dirge]

It is quite funny

[wraith spoke]

the modpack needs to be updated the LethalLevelLoader, LethalLib, and the StarlancerMoons are outdated.

[limpid portal]

Copy, will be putting out an update soon, but it's safe for everything in the modpack to be updated by the users for now

[limpid portal]

StarlancerMoons v0.5.7

• StarlancerMoons v0.5.7
  • Updated dependencies.

• Starlancer Modpack v0.6.0
  • Updated dependencies, no longer keeping parity with StarlancerMoons version number due to instances where dependencies need to be updated without warranting a major version progression.

This thread will now reflect the current version number of StarlancerMoons instead of the modpack.

[raven mica]

the moons still wont show up in the termnal for me

[limpid portal]

Post your mod profile code

[raven mica]

what do you mean ?

[raven mica]

what is a mod profile code

[limpid portal]

do you use r2modman?

[raven mica]

no

[raven mica]

i do everything manually

[limpid portal]

Ah, there's a very good chance there's an incorrect installation then, one sec

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ebkr/r2modman/

This is the best way to mod Lethal Company imo

It'll automatically grab dependencies for you and let you know when updates are available

[raven mica]

do you know why the moons might not be working

i have the most recent version

and most recent lll

[limpid portal]

The two most common reasons for issues with a manual installation here would probably be:

• If you have LethalExpansion, you need to also download LethalExpansionCore
• Check to make sure you have all the LLL dependencies as well

I still strongly recommend you switch to using r2modman, it'll make your modding life so much easier

[raven mica]

i only use lethal expasnion core

[limpid portal]

Okay that should be fine then yea

[crimson helm]

+1, it saves so much time and you can still tweak everything in the files yourself if that's why you're not using it

[raven mica]

i play with friends so it will be difficult to ressend a new folder every time we play

[crimson helm]

its much easier with r2modman than without

you can export as a code and import said code

the codes are only a few words long basically and it copies the profiles exactly

[molten sphinx]

r2 makes that easier and still syncs configs. tacking on this guys thing though, havent been able to see LLL moons as well (ganimedes, these two and outpost)

[crimson helm]

also, you won't have to send a new thing every time, only when you want to change mods

[raven mica]

wdym

[crimson helm]

You just open r2modman, select the profile you want to play on, and start the game

[raven mica]

doesnt it auto update mods and dependancies

[crimson helm]

Nope

only if you want to update them

[rare quest]

no that would be bad

[crimson helm]

itll automatically tell you when theres an update

which I think is useful

and you can click a button to update instead of reinstalling that mod

[limpid portal]

oh hey, it's the r2modman person, thank you for such a wonderful utility 💙

[raven mica]

so what if i update all the mods and want to play with friends who dont have them updated

[crimson helm]

its particularly useful for modpacks where their updates will include all the dependencies

[crimson helm]

You'd click "export profile" in settings, then they'd go to their profiles and click "import profile" and paste in whatever code you sent them

[rare quest]

then they either update them too, or you export your profile and they import it

[crimson helm]

without a mod manager it'd be much harder i think

[raven mica]

so they need to have r2modman as well

[rare quest]

yes, or thunderstore mod manager

[crimson helm]

In theory you could copy the folder the mods and stuff are stored in?

like it wouldn't be required

but it'd make their life easier too

[raven mica]

how do intsall modman

just put in bepinex like other mods

[rare quest]

manual download on thunderstore, run the setup inside the zip

[raven mica]

ight

[crimson helm]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ebkr/r2modman/

[frozen dove]

Unrelated to starlancer but Eb your latest version of r2modman is amazing, I'm shocked at the difference in performance it is night and day

[opal mauve]

Agreed

[crimson helm]

how do i get my hands on this update

[rare quest]

don't forget that there's lots of other contributors 👀

I fixed a large performance issue however lots of smaller and harder to find performance problems were picked up by the TS team and first time contributors

it is significantly better though

[frozen dove]

I was largely unfamiliar there was even a team, pass my love onto them all 🥺

[hearty pumice]

wait we can update r2modman?

[limpid portal]

I believe it automatically fetches it's own updates

But I might also be immediately corrected

[hearty pumice]

mine still the one one

ill just manually download it i guess

[analog pollen]

100% R2 got an update today and it's working like a brand new v12 engine.

[limpid portal]

Finally made a debug moon so I can test things without worrying I'm gonna break Auralis or Triskelion

[light talon]

Ayyy

[opal mauve]

• Removed a pipe

[limpid portal]

"Hey it won't let me load into Triskelion after the latest update"

[opal mauve]

"Hey there's no scrap on Auralis"

"Hey why did I encounter seven hundred spore lizards on Triskelion"

[limpid portal]

Working as intended

But now I can do hyperfocused tests like "Inside: Only spawn sandworms"

[opal mauve]

Mhm

Speaking of sandworms, I plan to use them as a common threat on Gorgonzola

[limpid portal]

Nice

reskin them as Alaskan Bull Worms

[opal mauve]

Figure they're a fitting enemy, worms love cheese

Lmaooo

[limpid portal]

welp, forgot to enable the collider for the plane

[opal mauve]

oop

yknow

if you made a debug moon

that would have been a great opportunity to make a basic tutorial

😛

[limpid portal]

Well really I stripped things from my Triskelion prefab :P

[opal mauve]

Ah

xD

[limpid portal]

Step 1) Have a preexisting moon

[opal mauve]

just send me the debug moon's files and I'll figure it out from that

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[opal mauve]

I'm trying, I'm currently home alone with nothing but Lethal Company mods to occupy my mind

I'd work on my cosmetics, but I'm waiting on a fix from AdvancedCompany
Realistically I should work on my scraps mod and figure those out

[limpid portal]

The Quackening

[opal mauve]

Ducky 2: Test Boogaloo

[limpid portal]

the debug moon has 1-100 scrap, 1-1000 value

ducks vary WILDLY in value

so there's so many ducks

[light talon]

Unironically would play this

Would be the funniest meme moon

Duck only

[limpid portal]

3 lives, ducks only, final destination

[opal mauve]

Make a moon where the entire moon is a 3D model of a rubber ducky

you enter the dungeon through its mouth

fire exit poops you out the butt and you fall out of bounds and die

good design

[limpid portal]

Brilliant, some might say

[analog pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/ducks-gif-19474588

[opal mauve]

Time to code a "Not Rubber Ducky" that walks around like the needy cats

[lunar pumice]

There’s a mod that changes the roar sound they make to SpongeBob yelling “AN ALASKAN BULL WORM!!!”

[lunar pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/melee-falco-smash-gif-22120105

Why is that so slow omg

[sharp sequoia]

Id play that

[sharp sequoia]

Is it possible for enemies to spawn with a reskin on only specific moons?? The things one could do with that

COD Zombies moon that only spawns masked reskinned as zombies

[limpid portal]

I can't say for certain, but based on my current understanding, I think a local reskin would require either a dedicated plugin for the specific moon, or sorta cloning an enemy and giving that "version" of it a unique skin

[sharp sequoia]

Oh I see, that sounds doable, but way harder than anything I’m able to do

[limpid portal]

Not even sure how well it'd work, or if it runs the risk of messing something up lol

[sharp sequoia]

It probably would lol

[onyx dirge]

Gosh, really hope someday we get a API that helps us enable skins only on certain moons or even Interiors

[lunar pumice]

So uh