Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[mellow flame]

and no v50 content actually came

[fallow fern]

Should the knife be classified as a weapon, or am I misunderstanding the tag?

[muted flint]

noob question: im trying to learn on how to use lethel levels configurations and im trying to get tolians moons to force spawn with the liminal pool but i cant get the whole pack to load the liminal pools by default. is there something im doing wrong?

[coarse flame]

You might have to type them all one by one

[weary apex]

you'll have to enter every moon

[serene viper]

So in theory lethal quantities isn't needed anymore?

And if it's not will they still work well together @zenith flax

[spring wagon]

How do I stop items from turning into other items randomly?

[mellow flame]

theres a mod that fixes it

[spring wagon]

please give

[merry marsh]

Ngl I don't really like this feature. I like setting all my weights through the LLL config since everything is formatted the same and all the interiors are in one config. Is there not any way to override this? @zenith flax

[zenith flax]

@merry marsh if the author disabled it they disabled it

[merry marsh]

I mean I'm the author for the TeraSpace dll and I didn't disable anything 🙃

[zenith flax]

Oh it shouldn’t be by default

Odd

I’ll look into it

[merry marsh]

It's doing it for almost every interior

[zenith flax]

Yippeee

Apologies

[merry marsh]

the only one that has a config is both Pool Rooms

And the only one that updated for v1.2.0 is Liminal so that's odd

[zenith flax]

Slightly under the weather today and out tomorrow so hoping to get a small update out today

[merry marsh]

You're good👍 Just figured this wasn't intentional 😅

[muted flint]

Oof alright I can do that

[zenith flax]

@slim wind replying publicly cuz other people will wanna know

ill make a mod for this this week

enabling doesnt work cuz i make route nodes for custom nodes not vanilla

i got u

[dim wing]

Is that functionality already available for custom moons within LLL (just not the vanilla ones)?

[zenith flax]

Could u elaborate

[dim wing]

You said that you make route nodes for custom nodes, it may be just me not knowing what I’m asking, but is the functionality to have a hidden moon reveal itself after visiting already built into LLL (but only custom moons can do, hence a separate mod to enable it for the v50 duo), or will the new mod also be able to double as a dependency other mods can reference to hide their custom moons and then have a way for them to become known once you’ve routed to them in a run?

I may be asking several things at once unintentionally, my apologies

[zenith flax]

Ye so hiding routes is a lll feature but cuz obv vanilla doesn’t use lll I don’t know those two are like meant to be hidden

And it’s enough of a gameplay change where I’d just prefer it as a small tiny mod that uses LLL vs. putting it in LLL directly

I might compromise tho and make the levels hidden by default in lll itself then unhide them in the other mod which can do that unhidding after routing generic for all hidden moons

[maiden valley]

HEY batby im late asf but i just noticed the v50 update for LLL got officially released, nice work dude!! you're awesome

[zenith flax]

aighgt gonna start writing up all the reports from last 24 now

[merry marsh]

Even the vanilla interiors have the content author disabled btw

[zenith flax]

yeee

i found the issue

i have some somewhat jank code to convert the obsolete values to the new values

had a thing flipped wrong

[merry marsh]

Is the interior enemy injection not yet implemented?

[zenith flax]

no it is

[empty trail]

My moon's scenes break the dungeon generation when loading into them T-T

[zenith flax]

why

orr

hm

[zenith flax]

send logds

[empty trail]

It works for me I think

[empty trail]

Something about the scene being invalid

[zenith flax]

no im a liar

i dont think i actually added the code for that

sheesh

[merry marsh]

Where is the setting found? I can't find it under the two interiors that have settings🙃

[zenith flax]

oh you mean config wise?

[merry marsh]

Yeah 😅

[zenith flax]

i haven't added anything to the configs since last update 😛

sorry

[empty trail]

xd I noticed that

[merry marsh]

I thought enemy injection was coming🫣

[zenith flax]

it is

just not config wise

i can prob add it sooner than later

[merry marsh]

I'd love it, I just really want to restrict Herobrine to minecraft interiors lol

[zenith flax]

ideally once herobrine comes to LLL they could have that by default

w/ contenttags

[merry marsh]

That would be cool

[zenith flax]

@empty trail sorry to be a pain can you turn developer debug on in lll config and get me that

[merry marsh]

I also want to do it with other enemies, like Rolling Giant and such

[zenith flax]

yeee

all that will be a lot better once everything moves to LLL

[empty trail]

Ah, alrighty

[zenith flax]

in the future i really think users wont be doing heavy configging themselves as much

since devs will be able to setup their content by default really well using contenttags

[merry marsh]

I would love that to be true, atm I have so many things configured to feel more vanilla

or just make more sense imo XD

[zenith flax]

forsure

imo rn thats mostly due to devs not being able to set everything up nicely yknow

its all explicit references

doesn't work longterm

[vernal grove]

as a dumb silly player, what are contenttags?

[zenith flax]

basicially context dependent tags for each content

so for vanilla in lll

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WO77KGJplIEC64qmBClOgfEEoFxrhMurCEqe9FKod8I/edit?usp=sharing

all pieces of content have these tags

[vernal grove]

ahhh ok

[spice ingot]

ik i ended the last convo with me saying wait i hate configuring

all i hope for is that modders tag things like interiors and monsters to show up on vanilla moons too and not just like... for example herobrine on just minecraft moons would be annoying cause i dont have any

[zenith flax]

this means for example the scp dungeon doesn't need to explicitly say "spawn on secret labs", instead secret labs can add a "SCP" contenttag to their level, and then scp dungeon can say "spawn on levels marked with SCP"

that means if other levels also add the SCP tag they'll automatically be compatible

[empty trail]

Should be the right log now

[zenith flax]

and then scp themed enemies can use this to spawn their enemies on both the scp themed dungeons and levels

[empty trail]

Ya, I have my interior have different weights for tundra tagged moons and canyon tagged moons

[vernal grove]

i would love to get into modding at some point but idk man i know jackshit about modding at all, ive never modded a game or like, done anything related to it

[empty trail]

I basically just makes compat easier tbh

[zenith flax]

making levels is a good introduction

no scripting just learning how unity engine works

[vernal grove]

i've never even modeled

[zenith flax]

most people dont!

you can use the built in terrain tools and assets that already exist in the main game

or free asset packs

and put together levels yourself

[vernal grove]

huh, maybe ill try doing that at some point!

idk if i have enough hard drive space for that though ngl

[zenith flax]

fair

[vernal grove]

i barely have enough as it is lmao

[zenith flax]

@empty trail aight sorry for the inconvinence, might focus on getting these small little bugs fixed for a quick update then check this out for you if thats alright

[empty trail]

np, im going to see what i can piece together with these new logs

[zenith flax]

it'll let me release some extra scene related logs in too since their fairly underlogged

[zealous sky]

In the LLL Vanilla Tags Google sheet, it doesn't mark the Forest Giants as killable. Aren't they killable in the base game now?

[empty trail]

Figured it out

Idk if you fixed this, but it seems to be the Scene Selection thing again

Except now it tries to load the scene but it stalls on load instead of the scene not being registered at all

[zenith flax]

hm

Ok ill look into it

Sorry your the victim of being the first practical usecase 😭

[empty trail]

xD

[zenith flax]

The scenes are all being sent to lll right?

What’s that setup looking like

[empty trail]

hm?

[zenith flax]

chat is this true

[empty trail]

Yeah

The scenes 'load' but dont work ig is the way to describe it

[zenith flax]

how are you bundling/giving lll the scene files

All in 1 bundle?

[merry marsh]

Being able to kill Giants? Yes that's true

[empty trail]

I have all my scenes in one bundle

[zenith flax]

bet ok

[empty trail]

Ya

[zenith flax]

if your cooking rn while i wait can you try o them

still lethalbundle on em all

Seperating*

[empty trail]

Ah I will try ye

[mellow flame]

I cant wait till everything is unified under LLL

[empty trail]

Alright the bundles finished loading, testing now xD

[serene viper]

tried going to space statioion dont know if this is an lll issue or spacestation issue

018f131e-eec5-5086-a217-2477e5b21401

for context

[empty trail]

Did not work

[serene viper]

"no extended mod found in bundle" in my lll logs

[zenith flax]

thats normal for mods that haven't updated

[serene viper]

i keep getting stuck on random seed

[zenith flax]

would need log

[serene viper]

happened twice on space station

could just be the moon

@vagrant sundial

[versed spire]

@zenith flax

i have a bug fr u 😥

[zenith flax]

mhm

[versed spire]

so

i was thinkering with the lll day lenghts and made all moons time go by 2 times slower

[zenith flax]

oh yeah

[versed spire]

and when i test

[zenith flax]

that breaks stuff

[versed spire]

the deadline goes down by two days not one

yes

[zenith flax]

ye

its a vanilla bug

[versed spire]

o ok

[zenith flax]

i gotta fix eventually

ty

[versed spire]

np

[idle ravine]

off-topic reply but check this

[zenith flax]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/

Version 1.2.0.1

• Updated LICENSE
• Changed accessor for ExtendedDungeonFlow.GenerateAutomaticConfigurationOptions from internal to public
• Fixed issue where ExtendedDungeonFlow.GenerationAutomaticConfigurationOptions was defaulting to false
• Changed accessor for EnemyManager.RefreshDynamicEnemyTypeRarityOnAllExtendedLevels from internal to public
• Changed accessor for EnemyManager.InjectCustomEnemyTypesIntoLevelViaDynamicRarity from internal to public
• Changed accessor for ItemManager.RefreshDynamicItemRarityOnAllExtendedLevels from internal to public
• Changed accessor for ItemManager.InjectCustomItemsIntoLevelViaDynamicRarity from internal to public
• Changed ConfigLoader default dungeon binding to list current level matching values as default values
• Added "Killable" ContentTag to Forest Giant
• Added "Chargable" ContentTag to Jetpack
• Added "Weapon" ContentTag to Knife
• Added additional developer debug logging for the scene validation and selection process

may take some time to hit thunderstore

[empty trail]

Woo

[unique geode]

@hexed mesa SDM update time?

👀

[zenith flax]

send me log of the issue on this version @empty trail

should have mroe gleemable data

[empty trail]

Alrighty!

[empty trail]

It also seems that LLL still wants the SelectableLevel in the Obsolete area or it breaks

Since thats what happened with that update I just pushed an hr ago

[hexed mesa]

after work

[zenith flax]

hmm ok

ill look into that

thank you chef

[unique geode]

😄

[dawn wing]

what are the changes in the 1.2.1?

[zenith flax]

.

[dawn wing]

oh ty

[zenith flax]

new mod who dis

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/DisplayHiddenRoutesAfterTraveling/

1.2.1

fucking

well

[eternal egret]

config options are not working

no errors

[abstract bobcat]

every day we are feasting

[eternal egret]

Shouldn't the config provide this?

That's why I was saying the config options aren't working

since there's a toggle in LLL for enabling seeing them in the terminal

[zenith flax]

yeah but thats a true or false

this means moons that are set to hidden will be unhidden after you travel to them

eg. for the new v50 moons

[eternal egret]

AH ok

No i see

[eternal egret]

also heads up that those don't work right now

like at all

[zenith flax]

can you try on 1.2.1

[serene viper]

can confirm so far only space station causes me to get stuck on random seed

[eternal egret]

Sure

[zenith flax]

changed abit of that code so it might have fixed itself

[empty trail]

Ill test in a little bit

[merry marsh]

Still waiting for my thunderstore to update🫠

[eternal egret]

I wonder if Terminal Plus will work again with it since as of the v50 version it and LLL are incompatible now

[muted wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-cranking-toy-xqc-emote-gif-9210710221036407126

batby cranking out the mf code recently

my goat

[zenith flax]

in fairness that mod is like

30 or so lines of code

        public static void StartOfRoundChangeLevel_Postfix()
        {
            ExtendedLevel newCurrentLevel = LevelManager.CurrentExtendedLevel;
            if (newCurrentLevel.IsRouteHidden == true)
            {
                foreach (ContentTag levelTag in newCurrentLevel.ContentTags)
                    if (levelTag.contentTagName == "Company")
                        return;

                newCurrentLevel.IsRouteHidden = false;
                Plugin.logger.LogInfo("Unhiding Route: " + newCurrentLevel.SelectableLevel.PlanetName);
            }
        }

this is the logic behind it

[muted wadi]

still, even got a hotfix for lll same day 🙂

it's much appreciated from someone that doesn't understand coding lmao

[eternal egret]

Still bugged, cant unhide Embrion

[zenith flax]

alright will peep

[eternal egret]

I wonder if the other options don't work

I was just focusing on that

checking if Terminal Plus is compatible now

[eternal egret]

It's not compatible

[merry marsh]

LLL configs for interiors show up now, ty so much Batby ❤️

[zenith flax]

if everyone wants a new fear unity froze my entire pc and restarting caused chrome to update and just remove all my extensions

[proud ridge]

is this an LLL thing or should I just ignore it?
[Error : Unity Log] DivideByZeroException: Attempted to divide by zero.
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::AdvanceHourAndSpawnNewBatchOfEnemies(RoundManager)
RoundManager.Update () (at <255c0877f9414c3aa6f1fe5079ac13f3>:IL_0046)

[merry marsh]

Shouldn't this have Titan:300 ?

[main ravine]

since you created this new fear you get to name the phobia

[hexed cypress]

was this made compatible with ConfigurableCompany?

[thorny fog]

out of curiosity, why the move back to MIT?

[zenith flax]

previous license was to help protect my work while their was a lack of in place thunderstore rules and guidelines to prevent malicious acts

no longer neccasary

[zenith flax]

releasing stuff is fun 😃

For any developers using Lethal Expansion, be sure to test out the new converting tool here:
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/CreativeContentConverter/

Further discussion in #1230722341638508554

[merry marsh]

@zenith flax Should the LLL config override this with content configuration enabled? It used to on v49

[zenith flax]

i dont know

i didnt make it 😛

[merry marsh]

Any config with a "list" or "all" setting needs to have "all" set or the LLL config changes wont apply

Unfortunately Bunker doesn't have a "all" option

[zenith flax]

can you give me an example mod

[merry marsh]

Any interior

[zenith flax]

ok but

[merry marsh]

Like Bozoros

[zenith flax]

that answer doesnt help me whatsoever

thank

[merry marsh]

Or Scp

[merry marsh]

If you set it to "list" make sure the list is empty, this worked before on v49

[zenith flax]

i dont know what your trying to say in that sentence

[tall kindle]

is this how i would apply a tag?

from your spreadsheet list

[zenith flax]

ye

[merry marsh]

have these settings but set the moon weights in LLL config

[zenith flax]

and chuck it in the enemy's contenttags list

[tall kindle]

i feel like this can get really long, can it be eventually made into one ContentTag object that I can give a list of tag names and tag colours lol

[zenith flax]

possibly, heard chef

idk @merry marsh

all those setups are like really terrible tbh

[merry marsh]

What setups?

[zenith flax]

the config code

on these dungeons

[merry marsh]

Oh, yeah I figured😅 I just found it odd that the previous LLL didn't have this issue

[tall kindle]

@zenith flax is there a global setting for stuff like PlanetNames CurrentWeather etc?

[zenith flax]

vanilla and custom tag

[tall kindle]

this is fine then?

[zenith flax]

no

no planet is called vanilla

[tall kindle]

ah wait i see what you mean

i think

lol

[zenith flax]

all good

all extendecontent either has vanilla or custom tag

[tall kindle]

so this and then i'd change it in code to be whatever spawnWeight i have set?

[zenith flax]

ye

[tall kindle]

alright

[zenith flax]

(and custom for custom stuff)

[tall kindle]

yee icic

[zenith flax]

i considered having a global value but imo this is fine and makes people understand whats actually going on more

[tall kindle]

im fine with it, im just used to LL's basic choices for the LevelTypes lol

mainly the Universal Modded,Vanilla and All

[zenith flax]

yeee

[tall kindle]

oh actually i dont even need to have that tag in the unity since im doing .Add

[tall kindle]

port successful

what other enemy mods already ported to LLL?

damn im not the first

technically shrimp

[zenith flax]

idk if office is using extendedenemy yet tho

[tall kindle]

maybe not

anyway the port will be on thunderstore probably later tonight if hamunii gets to it

ill port immersive scrap over then start work on a wiki guide

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WO77KGJplIEC64qmBClOgfEEoFxrhMurCEqe9FKod8I/edit#gid=124295723

this should also prolly be pinned

lol

[zenith flax]

jeb is ded

[tall kindle]

rip

[zenith flax]

good cooking my friend

[tall kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/bored-pusheen-bread-cat-i-did-this-gif-17242566

[zenith flax]

This is a cool Icon 😄

[unique geode]

You have a mod idea in mind for it? 👀

I love it

[zenith flax]

Yeah.

[unique geode]

I honestly really love your icon styles

[zenith flax]

i dont make em 😛

[unique geode]

Had to put them together

c;

[zenith flax]

ty tho

https://game-icons.net/1x1/delapouite/space-needle.html#download

[unique geode]

Yw

[zenith flax]

i do the gradients and border in photoshop

[unique geode]

I mean it works 😄

[strange trail]

speaking of which idk what channel this belongs to but

@zenith flax whats up with Wateridge LLL ver

is that still gonna be a thing?

[slim wind]

yippee 😅

[zenith flax]

oh you missed it

its out

[slim wind]

so you'll be able to normally insert them into your moon catalogue stuff?

[zenith flax]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/DisplayHiddenRoutesAfterTraveling/

[slim wind]

OH

I didn't expect that 👀

Truly goated 🔥

[zenith flax]

updated icons on the two new mods

[eternal egret]

So I decided to get the log for when Terminal Plus is installed with LLL, this is the only error. This was not an issue in v49 and both mods worked together without issue. https://pastebin.com/T7C2VjCs

This error was gotten on game load, main menu.

[zenith flax]

gotta send to the terminal plus devs

[slim wind]

they're taking a break AFAIK

[zenith flax]

well

[eternal egret]

My reason for bringing it up here is both mods were compatible until LLL changed.

[zenith flax]

i mean yeah but

lll changed

so they gotta change

[eternal egret]

The easiest compatibility I'd imagine for it would be just adding the ability to suppress LLL's Moon menu.

[zenith flax]

no they just gotta update their mod

[slim wind]

shameless plug: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/TerminalFormatter/

[eternal egret]

There mod doesn't need updating, it works fine for v50 without LLL

[slim wind]

works with new LLL

[zenith flax]

brother

they reference lll code

respectfully im not suggesting they need to update their code

im telling you that they need to

[eternal egret]

I like it but It doesn't allow me to force the hidden moons to show up sadly and doesn't show as much info

[eternal egret]

AH ok

[zenith flax]

lll does that

well oncei fix it i guess

[eternal egret]

Yeee

[slim wind]

they do reference it

[zenith flax]

ye

[eternal egret]

Yeah I didn't know, was under the impression you were just going "Oh I stepped on their toes? Too bad"

[zenith flax]

oh nah dw

im not like that

except for lethal expansion and lethallib a little but thats on like good terms

[eternal egret]

Yeah was a little confused on why I had so much push back lol

[slim wind]

it's just the reality of major changes

[eternal egret]

I was worried it was a Gregtech vs Tinkers Construct kind of beef or something

[zenith flax]

for abit more context behind the scenes in the basegame the catalogue listing is legit a single string

written in the editor

[slim wind]

the internal bindings changed, so anything referencing that needs to be changed as well

[zenith flax]

LLL completely redoes it to be layers of data grouping

which makes playing with it far easier

[slim wind]

i literally cannot stand the in-game terminal system

so messy

did you know that the teleporter doesn't have a valid TerminalNode?

[eternal egret]

Nah I understand I'm a programmer, I was under the impression that LLL was treading on code that Terminal Plus was interacting with that it wasn't before but instead in actuality it was Terminal Plus interacting with LLL that is breaking it.

[zenith flax]

i think with a couple small changes it could be a lot better

[zenith flax]

kinda both really

[tall kindle]

tf is gregtech

[slim wind]

yeah, the dependency is the other way around 🥺

[eternal egret]

Minecraft modding. Gregtech would crash MC if it saw Tinkers installed on purpose and throw a fake error.

[zenith flax]

the moon catalogue is one of the only things i touch in the game where i kinda put my foot down and have to tell other mods to play ball with me

because like, i kinda need to

so mods that touch that page usually reference LLL directly

[tall kindle]

thats so 💀

oh wtf

thats so malicious lmao

[zenith flax]

advanced company lol

[slim wind]

where did we see that before 🤔

[eternal egret]

Oh is there a mod like that?

LUL

[tall kindle]

yeah there was one

[slim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-dust-joel-dawson-dylan-obrien-love-and-monsters-dusty-gif-18651670

[eternal egret]

Gotta love the human condition to make things shit

[slim wind]

you have no idea

[eternal egret]

Minecraft's modding community is absolutely screwed as a side note

[slim wind]

there is a bias in human nature to be the one and only making that thing

[zenith flax]

i was threatened with legal action 😭

[slim wind]

and it's screwing everybody up

[eternal egret]

I worked on forge (the mod loader) and the lead for it is so damn stubborn

[zenith flax]

imagine if gregtech made their own multimc @eternal egret

[eternal egret]

and just leaves people to drown when working on stuff

[slim wind]

didn't they split into neoforge because of that?

[eternal egret]

YUP

[tall kindle]

if im not the only enemy mod, then im killing all the other enemy mods

[slim wind]

LOL

i saw the 40-minute video explaining that

surprised they worked with them for so long

[eternal egret]

I was yelling at LexManos

about all of this

and I told him something like this would happen

[zenith flax]

its truly a miracle that i haven't fallen into mc modding

[slim wind]

yet 🤭

[eternal egret]

The community is so insanely split

[zenith flax]

look

[slim wind]

how many loaders there are rn? 5? 6?

there's fabric, quilt, forge, new forge and one more, right?

[zenith flax]

it's not impossible i've put 4-6k hours into modded minecraft over my life

[slim wind]

saaame

this game is the only constant in my life

[eternal egret]

Fabric, Forge, Neoforge, Quilt, Liteloader, Riftloader

So 6 right now

[slim wind]

oh my god

[zenith flax]

back in my day

it wa risugami's modloader

[eternal egret]

back in my day it was 303's

[slim wind]

fabric started in 1.13 because forge took to long to release, do i remember it correctly?

[eternal egret]

Yup, Lex's fault

[slim wind]

LOL

[eternal egret]

and then Fabric not being compatible with Forge mods and not having support

caused Quilt

which is ATTEMPTING to bridge the gap

and then because of Lex people left Forge

and made Neoforge

[slim wind]

so there's still no actual solution for that? (other than moddevs using Architectury for dual-loader jars?)

[cerulean basin]

Hey, sorry to interrupt the conversation but does anyone know if there's a tutorial out there for setting up custom dungeons with LLL?

[slim wind]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206155878647078912

try starting there

[cerulean basin]

ty

[eternal egret]

There is no real solution, pandora's box has been opened and the modding community is split where some people prefer Fabric (and by Extension Quilt which people use instead which might kill Fabric), Forge and Neoforge

Liteloader THANKFULLY died recently

Riftloader is hard stuck on 1.13 right now

but it's a mix of Liteloader and Quilt

[slim wind]

in your opinion - is there anything new in datapack system that could make the devs switch to use them instead of proper mods?

[eternal egret]

Absolutely not

It is not powerful enough and it doesn't push deep enough into the game's code

and pushing deeper would be a security risk that Mojang would never sanction

If I want to rewrite the renderer for example, Datapacks are not enough

[slim wind]

oh, alright

[eternal egret]

and this is often required via ASM to do things like particle effects

or bespoke energy systems

due to blocks needing to respond to other nearby blocks dynamically for connecting cables for example

which requires a custom renderer

[slim wind]

alright, that's good to know

[eternal egret]

In addition, moving items from 1 block to another in Vanilla is actually the worst thing ever for server ticks

[tall kindle]

a bit late to ask this, but you're a minecraft modder?

[eternal egret]

Yeah

Not much anymore but I did for a long time

Worked on Forge

[slim wind]

i'm asking because i saw what Sethbling did recently and i still cannot figure out how

[tall kindle]

damn, make the move to LC wen

ah icic

[slim wind]

oh the hoppers 💀

[eternal egret]

Sethbling does some arcane stuff

[slim wind]

it killed my server once lol

[eternal egret]

Eventually, I'm just in the process of moving lol

[eternal egret]

Hoppers are terrible but you wanna know something even worse?

[tall kindle]

noice

[eternal egret]

Crafting tables

[zenith flax]

can't wait to get roasted lmao

[slim wind]

OH YEAH, i saw that video LOL

lagging entire server on one craftbench

fucking insane

[eternal egret]

Oh not even just that

They're using archiac code from the VERY early versions

[slim wind]

😳

[eternal egret]

So you know how everything on right click opens a menu if it supports that?

[slim wind]

ye

[eternal egret]

So how that works is the player sends a raycast and then it checks

[slim wind]

oh no

[eternal egret]

BUT

[solemn bison]

he has a few videos about how he did the physics thing and one of them demonstrates just how performance heavy it is, once you hit like five+ physics objects or so it starts taking a large performance toll

[slim wind]

i see where this is going

[eternal egret]

Crafting Tables do something worse

[solemn bison]

mods will always be more efficient

[eternal egret]

That's the "healthy" way to do it

Crafting Tables

send out raycasts

for players

every tick

[tall kindle]

lmao

[slim wind]

oh fuck no

[tall kindle]

if you're not constantly checking, how do you know they're still crafting ofc

[eternal egret]

They were made before they standardized right clicking systems for everything

and instead of replacing that functionality with something that doesn't lag to high heaven

it just still uses it's code from a1.3_01

[slim wind]

bruh

[eternal egret]

Oh how about this doozie

all of how crafting works

[zenith flax]

just wait till you see lc

[slim wind]

so every crafting table checks for every player on every tick?

[eternal egret]

Basically but worse than that

[solemn bison]

one day we'll see LC's source code and it'll be like balatro's in that one tweet

[slim wind]

OH MY GOD 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

[solemn bison]

dozens of elseifs

pain

[zenith flax]

else ifs are chill

[slim wind]

you can see it now

[eternal egret]

Guess how crafting works in MC

[zenith flax]

wym one day

[slim wind]

it's not comparing the items provided to the whole array of jsons?

please

[tall kindle]

isnt that how terraria also does it?

[solemn bison]

idk I might be stupid

[eternal egret]

Oh no don't be so sane, It's checking it against Java Arrays not Json

[zenith flax]

i probably know lc's sourcebase more than anyone other than zeekers at this point

[solemn bison]

there is a reason I do not have a yellow name

[zenith flax]

somewhat ye

its a mix for terraria iirc

[eternal egret]

Crafting was made Pre-JSON support

[slim wind]

so worse?

[eternal egret]

so it's all in Java

in 1 file

all of crafting functionality

1 file

[slim wind]

it's not converting all datapack jsons to that

no

no no no 😭

[tall kindle]

i remember when it was a popular meme saying that terraria checks for every item using a huge ass function with an if statement for every time or smthn similar lol

[zenith flax]

@eternal egret do you want a fun lc one

[eternal egret]

Sure LUL

[zenith flax]

every item has an id of 0 unless theres a new mechanic that warrants a specific comparison

[eternal egret]

Terraria is a mess too

[zenith flax]

and then said item is given a random number

[eternal egret]

WHAT

[tall kindle]

oh yeah i fucking hate that

[slim wind]

LOOOOOOL

[zenith flax]

99% of items are id 0 except for a handful which are random numbers

which are not in order

[tall kindle]

i just wish monsters and items had a proper system SO I KNOW WHATS HITTING MY ENEMY LMAO

[slim wind]

so the ids in terminal are assigned on runtime?

all the lists

[zenith flax]

ids in terminal are just the index of the item

in the item array

item.itemID is used for like 5-6 checks

[slim wind]

OH THAT

jesus wept

i was trying to make a nice system for all items/unlockables you can buy to be cast into a unified type

the amount of exceptions there are

[eternal egret]

Wanna have some cursed LC knowledge?

[zenith flax]

we'll see if i dont already do 😛

[eternal egret]

It's fairly cursed

[eternal egret]

I helped at one point on BiggerLobby

[zenith flax]

mhm

[eternal egret]

The one by Bizzlemip

[zenith flax]

ye

[solemn bison]

is that the cursed knowledge

[eternal egret]

Yeah

[solemn bison]

cool

[idle ravine]

I don't think it's that split; Neoforge is basically just forge because all the forge devs just left the og codebase cuz the repo owner was a dick or something so base forge is more just a historical thing now, and fabric is more or less everything else. There's also a mod that makes the majority of fabric mods work on forge and vice versa so it's not terrible

[eternal egret]

I felt like it'd be considered more taboo tbh

Due to the divide between MoreCompany and BiggerLobby

I left LC for a long time and came back to a flourishing modding community tbh so Idk what's happened truly since then

[slim wind]

🤷 using one mod over the other isn't in any way controversial

[solemn bison]

I talked about this the other day in the modded minecraft server, but Forge has received around 20 commits total in the past two months and has not received a new release (recommended or latest) for five months

[slim wind]

(unless)

[solemn bison]

Forge does not support a version above 1.20.2

Forge is effectively dead

[eternal egret]

Good

[solemn bison]

NeoForge on the other hand is doing fine

[eternal egret]

Very happy with that

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/heisenberg-walter-white-staredown-breaking-bad-gif-26437139

tldr

i won 😄

[eternal egret]

LUL

[slim wind]

lol

[gaunt hinge]

lmao

[eternal egret]

That said something kinda funny I was almost the first person to make a map for LC after the Gm Construct map

but then I got info that it wasn't far enough along

to get enemies or anything to spawn

so I lost drive

[tall kindle]

oh you can do almost anything now

its great

[zenith flax]

i went down the opposite path

and instead spent almost 5 months working on an api semi full time

[eternal egret]

Love it

At the time I was working on Legion for DST so I didn't want to take on another big project

so I was just like "Someone will do it"

[slim wind]

👀

[idle ravine]

I rushed hard to try and get the first item mod out, and while I think I technically did it wasn't multiplayer functional so I had to fall back onto lethallib which had lethalthings as the first true item mod I think

[zenith flax]

i dont want to 😭

[solemn bison]

I spent the past five months having to send out multiple pack codes a session because something inevitably breaks whenever new stuff is added or mods update

my friends are not fans of that lol

[idle ravine]

then I rushed custom interiors and was actually the first for that one

[eternal egret]

Something funny, I groaned when 1.8 came out for MC

I kinda just wanted MC to stop getting updates

after 1.7.10

Since everyone had been on it for 2 years

[zenith flax]

i just want a job man

[solemn bison]

as an aside as essential as HotbarPlus and ReservedItemSlots are I feel like they break something in a new way every other update

[eternal egret]

I'm not hiring right now but if you're down, I'm making a game company soon; hit me up

Just setting things up

[slim wind]

ayyyyyo

[gaunt hinge]

Somebody pay this man

[zenith flax]

always down to talk

I'm educated & shit

[slim wind]

who are you looking for exactly?

[eternal egret]

Programmers mostly right now

[idle ravine]

I've done a course for gamedev at AIE but ended up getting a job in general software dev, which is probably better for the stability

[zenith flax]

lmao wha

which state

[idle ravine]

studied in NSW, moved to ACT for work

[zenith flax]

ahhh

was gonna say

also aie pilled

adv. diploma in game design

[idle ravine]

adv diploma for game prog here

[slim wind]

if you cannot find a job, i see my chances are approaching 0 lol

[eternal egret]

I'm a game designer and programmer without the degree for it but I intentionally haven't gone to school for game design (did for programming) because I don't want to affect my view on how I make stuff since I found a niche I'm good at.

[zenith flax]

I was at a drinks w/ devs thing after gcap/pax week last year with a bunch of peeps and everyone there went to aie lol

was weird

[idle ravine]

AIE is pretty big, I also know a bunch of people who went to it

[zenith flax]

cult of the lamb and hollow knight peeps are aie pilled iirc

[eternal egret]

Oh btw Batby I made some funny tools for making maps for LC that I never released but they're very eclectic/niche.

A compiler for Hammer that outputs unity files and a compiler for Doom Builder that outputs unity files.

[zenith flax]

oh christ

im hammer pilled too btw

[slim wind]

the what

[eternal egret]

<3

[zenith flax]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/IAmBatby/myworkshopfiles/

[idle ravine]

yeah hammer is my thing

[zenith flax]

nothing crazy but

[eternal egret]

I made gmod maps mostly

RP and TTT maps

[idle ravine]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/badhamknibbs/myworkshopfiles/

[eternal egret]

and Sandbox maps

[zenith flax]

i did cs:go mapping for abit then was in the terraria scene pretty heavy then did my course + solo projects up until lethal

[eternal egret]

Niiiiice

[idle ravine]

I made one kinda big thing with someone else and a bunch of mini ports

namely https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=300674206

[eternal egret]

I didn't really ever put anything up on workshop a friend of mine made a map pack with some of my maps though

I kept my maps for my own servers

alot of them had some lua functionality in some way

Like my TTT map "Lights out"

A traitor trap would turn off the ability to use flashlights for all but Detectives and Traitors and turn out all the lights on the map

It also disabled C4 or the map since the map was small enough that everyone could always see everyone

so it was about stealthily taking people out while in the crowd

[slim wind]

👀

[eternal egret]

There was also this vent you could go into that had a free Knife spawner

So anyone going into the vent was suspicious

[zenith flax]

ive been working on cool editor tooling for lc mapping too

also earlier this week messed with a tool that heavily reduces what the lc maps would be baking at runtime by using the initial navmesh bake and checking valid paths to positions of interest

[dim lily]

Holy shit OFF maps

[dim lily]

Actual legend

[idle ravine]

still kinda wild to me that 2 things I've done major work on have appeared in Markiplier videos more or less 10 years apart

[eternal egret]

My big one is one of my maps showing up in a Seananners vid

Which is impressive at the time

since my map was NOT on the workshop

so they had to be on my server at one point

LUL

[idle ravine]

maybe I'll make zone 2 one day, got pretty demotivated after the unfortunate stuff with felixthejudge

[idle ravine]

weird, maybe just distributed elsewhere?

[eternal egret]

Fuck that just brought up shit for me, I haven't thought about felix in awhile. I became friends with felix like 3 months before everything.

[eternal egret]

It's very possible

[idle ravine]

I was curious if there was any merit to doing navbaking of the dungeon tiles and somehow gluing them together instead of fully generating

[zenith flax]

not really

[zenith flax]

meanwhile badhamknibbs getting both of us in the markiplier vidz

[eternal egret]

Heheheh

[idle ravine]

yeah similar situation here, was also a mod in that unOFFicial server but man I was a terrible mod looking back

I was like 16 but still

[slim wind]

😳 i had no idea i was talking to celebrities here

lol

[eternal egret]

Before I got demotivated I was going to use the tools to port Sapphire to LC: https://www.realm667.com/en/projects-mainmenu-50/released/sapphire-orbital-research

[idle ravine]

funnily the SCP stuff is done in a pseudo-hammer editor (CBRE-EX) which is a bastard and I hate but has FBX export for the .3dw format so

[eternal egret]

Oh nice

have you tried Hammer++ btw?

It's a dream

[idle ravine]

not too much, haven't really had much reason to as I haven't done a lot of mapping

and I remember it being weird to setup for gmod

[eternal egret]

It's not too bad just swap out the compiler

and setup the profile

[idle ravine]

also the model software for the model format SCPCB uses which forces you to write out the Bible Gateway Passage, I wasn't dealin with that beyond the doors and buttons hence why the bathrooms have no toilets or sinks & other props are missing

[eternal egret]

Hahahahahahhaa

also I always used this for compiling

since it doesn't eat your entire computer

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Batch_Compile_Tool

[tall kindle]

i dont mean to usually brag but kind of a big deal here

[eternal egret]

:^)

[slim wind]

lol

[zenith flax]

@eternal egret was working on cool data validation stuff

[slim wind]

oooh

nice

[eternal egret]

:o

[slim wind]

also i meaning to ask before: what's the progress on your custom weather stuff? 🥺

[eternal egret]

I fiend for the acid rain

[zenith flax]

just knocking out these other side quests

[eternal egret]

I require meteor showers Batby

[zenith flax]

zandorum

[eternal egret]

: )

[zenith flax]

weather is enum based 😭

[slim wind]

i'm considering doing my own (early) implementation of the weather stuff, but i'm still on the fence with this one

[eternal egret]

Imagine if it were magic numbers

[zenith flax]

does he know

[eternal egret]

wait is it magic numbers?

[slim wind]

🙂

[slim wind]

it's 3 numbers lol

[eternal egret]

[slim wind]

the only option is to build a separate system replacing that 🙃

[eternal egret]

Hey atleast I know what I'm going to do (that is going to break everything)

[slim wind]

it's a fucking mess

[tall kindle]

technically its already been made

[slim wind]

are you doing your own weather system? 🥹

[tall kindle]

it was abandoned due to the person not having interest in it, but i saw in tests that it worked fairly fine

[eternal egret]

I made a mod for Slay the Spire awhile back that added an item that when you picked it up slapped RNG onto Magic numbers

Time to do it again but for LC

[slim wind]

what's your idea for it? 👀

[eternal egret]

A remote control that just rerolls them all on click

Let the player break their game on their own

LUL

[slim wind]

😳

[eternal egret]

Who knows if it'll make the game more interesting

[zenith flax]

@eternal egret also i added contenttags

[eternal egret]

or if it'll crash

[zenith flax]

toeverything in the game

which can be fun to play with

[eternal egret]

oooooo

Have you played The binding of isaac?

[zenith flax]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WO77KGJplIEC64qmBClOgfEEoFxrhMurCEqe9FKod8I/edit?usp=sharing

yee

very northernlion pilled

[eternal egret]

Do you know the item TMTrainer?

[zenith flax]

mhm

[eternal egret]

I wanna do that with your tags

[zenith flax]

forsure

very doable

each tag can have a correlating colour too

we mostly use it for dynamic cross mod compatability

so eg. a custom dungeon can target a level with x tag

[eternal egret]

Could make some really just outright game warping items with that system

[tall kindle]

reminds me, someone made a mod that randomly makes functions return null or stuff like that, and the point is just to see how long it takes for your game to break

[eternal egret]

[slim wind]

L O L

[dim lily]

what happens if someone uses a tag as a level name

[eternal egret]

I just love the idea of random corruption basically

and hoping it benefits you

and doesn't kill the game

Oops floors aren't solid

[slim wind]

this would be fun to implement, ngl

[tall kindle]

we have a bunch of those type of random event mods tbh

[slim wind]

but they're predefined, he's talking about just raw-dogging the values

[tall kindle]

could be fun

im more of a content type of modder, ill keep adding enemies, scrap, items, weathers, upgrades and whatnot lol

[eternal egret]

Hmm

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/succession-please-request-would-you-begging-gif-16086511

matching level names is different from matching tags

[tall kindle]

pretty sure the system is robust to not collide those together

[slim wind]

using eve as a level name 😳

[dim lily]

alr cool ty

[zenith flax]

oh yeah it would solve a lot of problems if eve didnt exist 😭

[tall kindle]

oh that

[zenith flax]

i feel bad

[tall kindle]

yeah that name purely makes it unconfigable lol

atleast from non LLL side of things

[eternal egret]

Now I'm just thinking about my stupid MC mod I did to make my friends mad and how I could make it again for LC. I added an ore called Crashium that if you mined it, you would crash (not the server) but if you could find a way to break it indirectly you can get the ore and if you can survive keeping it around you could make a sword with it and anyone you slapped with it would crash.

[slim wind]

😳

[zenith flax]

you can crash this game very easy

flip 1 bool lmao

[eternal egret]

Boolin

[tall kindle]

i cant wait to see how many complaints they'll get in in #thunderstore-moderation lol

[eternal egret]

[tall kindle]

this game does not do too well with people cheating in items and using those types of things afaik lol

[zenith flax]

oh actual question since your mc modding pilled

[eternal egret]

Sup

[zenith flax]

whats the pay like on shit like curseforge

for the bigger boys

had no clue what the kinda scale was

[eternal egret]

Oh it's not bad actually

I can give you a good idea

[zenith flax]

oh?

[eternal egret]

Every 1000 downloads is $1.70

[zenith flax]

bro

[tall kindle]

daym

[eternal egret]

Yeah it's wacky

[slim wind]

👀

oh my

[eternal egret]

You think Cofh would keep doing this for free?

LUL

[zenith flax]

im just looking at my download count

cryin.

[tall kindle]

i wouldnt mind 5 bucks for my mod, that'd give me a good... chicken sandwcih meal

kinda hungry rn

[zenith flax]

uploading my work to a platform with less features for less money

😭

[eternal egret]

COFH Core

just alone

just for 1.20.1

since December made their team

$3,993

[zenith flax]

bro

[eternal egret]

Just core

[tall kindle]

daym...

[eternal egret]

This is why they're split into modules

btw

[zenith flax]

whats so fucked is like

if i needed numbers i could actually be on par with cofh core downloads rn

oh wait december??

[slim wind]

OH that's genius

[zenith flax]

LLL has double their downloads and a lot less than 4k in profits

[slim wind]

we need to make a modlauncher supporting curseforge then

jesus that's depressing

[eternal egret]

OK so

I just added up

[zenith flax]

my ass needs to start making minecraft mods

[eternal egret]

all of their modules downloads

for JUST since the december update

for the modules

SINCE december 20th

They made

$24,745

[slim wind]

fuck

no way in hell

[eternal egret]

Yeah December 20th

[zenith flax]

since 1 week into jan i've almost hit 4mil downloads

including a 2 month gap 😭

that shit hurts

[tall kindle]

i gotta get into minecraft like damn

[eternal egret]

To compare it was 14m downloads

for that money

[tall kindle]

though i think considering the competition i'd be doing like 100x+ worse if i was in MC anyway :3

[eternal egret]

It's tough competition

[zenith flax]

is it though

for like people who actually know what their doing

[eternal egret]

Actually in the current version

there isn't alot of tech mods

if you were willing to make a tech mod you could break through

[zenith flax]

mhm

i know atleast in like say terraria or espically LC

[eternal egret]

Magic mods also do really well

[slim wind]

faster than their ports and better than their experience

[zenith flax]

if you wanted numbers and you knew how to ball you can go crazy fast

[slim wind]

good luck

[zenith flax]

if i was getting curseforge money yall would have a customisable ship like

next week

[tall kindle]

for me in here, theres not many people that make custom enemies, there are kind of a lot now and i did get in towards the end of the big hype for lc sadly, but i'm still rocking a consistent 20k~ downloads per update

[tall kindle]

im still waiting on someone to remake alchemist mod

my favourite mod that died in like 1.3 or smthn i cant remember

[zenith flax]

the stargazer mod would also prob do numbers if i could ever be fucked fixing it

[eternal egret]

Awhile back I made a mod for Calamity that I never released but probably should

[zenith flax]

alchemist mod?

[tall kindle]

lemme try and find it

[zenith flax]

oh i vaguely remember

[zenith flax]

were you terraria modding pilled aswell

[eternal egret]

It adds an additional Accessory slot that is Green for defeating Moonlord that only accepts Vanilla and Thorium accessories

[eternal egret]

yup

[tall kindle]

this one, had a bunch of really cool boss fights and whatnot iirc

[zenith flax]

i own the repo for tremor if you know that

[eternal egret]

Oh nice

[tall kindle]

alchemistnpc

[tall kindle]

oh really?

[zenith flax]

lmaoo

[eternal egret]

I made alot of personal rebalance mods

for other mods

[tall kindle]

i used to hear a lot about that one but i kinda got into modded terraria when some of hte og mods just stopped working

[zenith flax]

yee

[eternal egret]

I made a rebalance for some of Calamity so it didn't step on Thorium so I could play them together

[zenith flax]

tremor was shit

[eternal egret]

Removed the "skip through early game" stuff in Calamity

So Thorium could shine

[zenith flax]

i was helping og devs rebuild it but then they gave up

[tall kindle]

i remember when thorium was broken for a while lol, or atleast i was always recommended to not install it

[eternal egret]

Yeee

[zenith flax]

big issue with modded terraria is 99% of the community did not percieve game design

whatsoever

[eternal egret]

LUL yeah

[tall kindle]

fargo's mod 💀

[eternal egret]

Fargo's is wild

[zenith flax]

they had to many idea guy kids and went in the polar oppisite stance

[tall kindle]

always had it on but god damn i never finished more than 10% of that mod lol

[zenith flax]

the terraria devs are cool tho

[tall kindle]

i still see edits every now and then of how long the recipe for fargo's soul thing lol

[eternal egret]

Terraria devs are like Edmund Mcmillin

where they're never truly done with their game

no matter how much they decide it's best for them to be

[tall kindle]

isaac is kinda done now i think

[zenith flax]

lead programmer had a pretty serious talk with me about proper 21:9 support and at one point chucked me a humble bundle on programming resources which got me into dev

[eternal egret]

Oh for abit for sure

[tall kindle]

repentance is kinda the end of it afaik

since edmund has his cat game he wants to make

[eternal egret]

I expect something within the next 4 years

[slim wind]

yoo that's nice

[eternal egret]

1000%

After mewgenics

[zenith flax]

frl

[eternal egret]

but heres the thing

[zenith flax]

were still steam friends

[eternal egret]

it might not be edmund doing it

[tall kindle]

well he wants to make isaac 2 apparently

[eternal egret]

Yeah

[tall kindle]

im a bit sad multiplayer got axed too

[dim lily]

yea they're only doing the online coop now

[tall kindle]

until november

[eternal egret]

multiplayer got axed?

I haven't been paying attention to isaac

[tall kindle]

some drama with data miners and leaks

[zenith flax]

its crazy cuz like i saw tyrone was doing the multiplayer issac promotion but like

[tall kindle]

and the beta got axed

[zenith flax]

wasnt he super cancelled

[tall kindle]

oh tyrone is super cancelled yeah

hes well known for being an ass employer

[eternal egret]

yeaaaah

[zenith flax]

i thought it was like the professional level racism

[tall kindle]

ye i cant remember the specifics but if its bad he did it

[slim wind]

oh lord

[eternal egret]

Found it

[tall kindle]

see this never made sense though, because isaac was one of those games that encouraged data mining

[dim lily]

i distinctly remember the opposite though 😭

edmund was very unhappy that lost was datamined

[eternal egret]

Look at this thread

https://twitter.com/ep_fly_6/status/1754377758849798378?t=ifWpHQ8sR7oXUrAQSne18g&s=19

fly_6 (@ep_fly_6) on X

Unfortunately, I need to return to this topic and clarify some things. No, "someone" didn't include step-by-step reproduction for the exploit, the only thing "they" gave is a clue in form of final destination responsible for the exploit, which in fact, was patched in 1.9.7.2

Twitter · Feb 5, 2024, 5:33 AM

[dim lily]

and then just didnt add the keeper into the ab update

[eternal egret]

Fly_6 explained what they did

[tall kindle]

the lost was supposed to be datamined iirc

[dim lily]

no, you were supposed to die with that one trinket to get clues

but he got datamined day 1

so for ab when he added keeper he made it a whole arg

https://youtu.be/eo9tDa2cvLE

[eternal egret]

And then people got pissed because it was missing items that were "promised"

[dim lily]

oh they can just shut up lmao

[eternal egret]

but it was an ARG

Oh the community was erupting

saying they were scammed

and Edmund was stopping himself from yelling at the community

ITS AN ARG

some people even refunded calling edmund a cheat

it was wild

meanwhile it was just to prevent dataminers from seeing it all

and when the ARG was completed he'd patch it in

[dim lily]

ye

[slim wind]

that's wild

[eternal egret]

I was scrolling up and saw this just now, didn't see it earlier; that's awesome!

[zenith flax]

yee

[eternal egret]

I sleep, l8r party people

[tall kindle]

laterr

[zenith flax]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/LethalToolbox/

[slim wind]

ayyoooooo

the man is cooking

[median wing]

IAmBatby, would you pretty please consider adding some sort of fallback when a vanilla save file is loaded with LLL enabled rather than letting the game freeze?

[eager zephyr]

That shouldn't happen?

[azure ether]

use a new save-

[zenith flax]

unfortunately dont think so

[median wing]

That's disappointing. Thank you for answering though.

[barren lintel]

oohhh shooottt its finallyyy outt!!

good job everyone

[crude elbow]

There seems to be with saving and loading items on the ship in the current version (1.2.1). When saving the game and loading back in, all of the items on the ship change to different items.

Steps to Reproduce:

1. Made a new mod profile and loaded only LLL + automatically downloaded prerequisites
2. Created a new save and bought 3 items (Walkie, Flashlight, Shovel)
3. Went back to the ship, lifted off, and quit the game while in orbit.
4. Upon loading the game back up the 3 items changed into a Jetpack, Zap-Gun and Stun Grenade

[coarse flame]

I know this question might've been asked before but what will happen if I leave these configs blank?

[nimble umbra]

@zenith flax is there any small tutorial for adding own footstep sounds?

[tired solar]

Is LLL on NuGet? Probably not since I didn't find it, but it would be pretty nice for LC-ExampleEnemy LLL port

[azure ether]

Hey is desync stuff fixed in the new version of LLL?

[slim wind]

should be

[azure ether]

ah k

lol

[slim wind]

let's put it that way: nobody reported it's still desynced (yet)

[queen stump]

How do you access the uh

Dungeon Spawn chance

command thingy

[bitter pond]

simulate [moon]

[queen stump]

It only shows me liquidation

[bitter pond]

what?

Type simulate experimentation for example

[queen stump]

Liquidation

I'm not at my PC but I'll show in a second

[shadow idol]

Would this be good to use for making a custom dungeon? I dont know any coding languages and I've been wanting to start on my own interior

[cobalt anvil]

I've noticed that some custom interiors have problems with spawning scrap when being generated, like, scrap will be below the usual moon's minimum scrap. Is this an interior problem or an LLL problem?

[azure ether]

interior problem as if it's too big, loot is thinly spread out-

best to use the config to lower the size-

I set it 5 or 6 for the school

[cobalt anvil]

When I tested the school interior the total scrap dropped even lower lol

Adamance min: 18
first test (default, -1) spawned 15 total
second test (size 4) spawned 12 total

though, I wouldnt be surprised if the fandom wiki for LC is just lying about the min-max amount for scrap objects

[true void]

is any body expercining a bug were when i try to load littearly any map it turns the screen black

when i load into the ships hull it is all black screen no fucking wake up sequence and i can move around but cant see any thing forcing me to use no lethal level laoder

lethal levelloader v50 didnt do this but im unsure whats cuasing this

[coarse flame]

So I'm not the only one with this problem

[cobalt anvil]

Think the only interior I dont have this problem in is LC_Office

[rich aurora]

Uh which school interior

By MrUnreal or Musical Sleep

[cobalt anvil]

MrUnreal

Sleep's doesnt even show up when I search up 'school' lol

[rich aurora]

Prob should post an issue on it on their Github with appropriate logs/images then

Ye Sleep's one shows up under SleepsDungeon on Thunderstore

Cause yeah that's strange af that loot keeps lowering

[true void]

so can sombody answer my question

[rich aurora]

Maybe try a run where it's guaranteed on like a paid moon and see if you can get Dine to say it only has like 2 - 3 scrap in total w

[true void]

iv been wanting to use lethal level loader but im not able to the only one that worked is lethallevelloaderv50

but its outdated now

[rich aurora]

Need a lil bit more context, such as mods being used (particularly focusing on which moons/interiors you're using)

[true void]

018f1544-f547-2dcf-715a-f9b1393b683f

it littearly does it with any mod

even the office mod

but the dumb thing is

it all worked with THe lethallevel loader patch v50 tihngy