#Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

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chrome notch
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this but unironically

vagrant sundial
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would it also be possible to change the quicksand texture per moon? the rocky/dirt texture stands out a bit weird on some terrain

unique geode
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The beta branch is just the full V50 build but it's in beta to get bugs polished before it hits public steam release

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Meaning if mods update now they should retain compatibility just fine

zenith flax
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bug fixes can involve breaking changes to mods

unique geode
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This is true

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Right now though the main bugs I've seen reported are with the ||knife|| and ||rocks|| blocking entrances

chrome notch
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idk, i don't see much point in waiting if you end up finishing before zeekerss pushes the update. it could be several weeks before it hits the main branch, based on how long v47 took

zenith flax
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we'll get to that when im done ig

zenith flax
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speaking of im bored tonight so ima work on something fun

zenith flax
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ok so

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levels have custom landing paths now

red stratus
gaunt hinge
tall kindle
zenith flax
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its an animationclip

tall kindle
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o

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thats perfect, i think

vagrant sundial
spiral siren
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someone is gonna have to make the ship do a 360

zenith flax
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make it do tricks on it

zenith flax
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😭

tall kindle
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same with ship leaving

zenith flax
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the workflow will literally be duplicating the animationclips from #1199473521265475745, fucking with it and then plugging it into your extendedlevel

zenith flax
red stratus
zenith flax
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doing tricks on it

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        internal static void RefreshShipAnimatorClips(ExtendedLevel extendedLevel)
        {
            shipAnimatorOverrideController["HangarShipLandB"] = extendedLevel.ShipFlyToMoonClip;
            shipAnimatorOverrideController["ShipLeave"] = extendedLevel.ShipFlyFromMoonClip;
        }
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since im seemingly just making the scope everything

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maybe ill look at multi dungeon at the end of the week

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lol

zenith flax
red stratus
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there is some light turbulence please fasten your seatbelt

jolly cargo
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yeah

chrome notch
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will the update allow you to make ||hidden moons|| similar to the ones in v50? or can you already do that

jolly cargo
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you already can

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you make it hidden in terminal but keep it registered

drowsy folio
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early cosmocos be like

zenith flax
chrome notch
hollow rivet
zenith flax
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LethalLib

hollow rivet
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Oh

jolly cargo
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I only tested for like 5 minutes tho

mellow flame
craggy orbit
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Is there any other mods you guys find that have conflict in v50? I just find LLL

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thank you!

spare bear
tall kindle
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I just had to change a couple lines cuz enemyAI got changed

hushed sky
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Looks like I gotta speed up on my update to prepare for a patch for the update v50

unique geode
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and causes god awful stutters

hoary sail
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Is that supposed to be editable?

vagrant sundial
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dunno, i've edited my mod that was on the list. I think u're open to add or modify your own mods on the list

hoary sail
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Ah

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Mine depends on LLL so I won't add it

vagrant sundial
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i think

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i didnt make the list

hoary sail
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but then I have to keep it updated ugghhhhhh

vagrant sundial
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its only temporary. i think LethalMatt made it, but idk

tall kindle
zenith flax
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You know obviously it won’t be next update and I’m sure ill find more I want to do, but the lll overscope barrel is actually drying up

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I might act be able to pivot in the near future

tall kindle
nimble umbra
zenith flax
tall kindle
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Good luck with that

red stratus
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finally releasing yourself from the api creator shackles

zenith flax
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No promises but

tall kindle
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You must imagine batby as happy

zenith flax
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Every day working on lll makes me kinda feel if anyone was gonna do all the ship changes everyone wants…

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🤔

tall kindle
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Like ship size?

zenith flax
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Yes to any answer

tall kindle
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Hmm

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Well you'd know more than me so I'm curious how you'd implement that, but other than size I can't really think of anything, ship windows and celestial tint are kind of a perfect combo to enhance ship

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Oh also, idk if this is even an LL feature but will you add the ability to make and buy furniture ingame?

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Like the romantic table or whatever

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And maybe even allow them to be interactable so people can add onto them

zenith flax
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If not this than next

red stratus
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i think that is in lethallib cause i think lethalthings has a rug or the dartboard?

tall kindle
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Though the dartboard kinda buggy iirc

rich aurora
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Yeah Darts seem to sometimes defy laws of physics and do weird stuff lmao

zenith flax
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@tall kindle

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red stratus
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uncomplete perceive

tall kindle
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collect 6 missing special items

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Care to explain?

zenith flax
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theres 5 items that are not in the startofround related item lists

rough edge
zenith flax
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apparatus(?), clipboard, sticky note, shotgun and ammo

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some of these tasks are a lot easier to do than others haha

tall kindle
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Ah I see

jolly cargo
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Just saying that stuff like sellable bodies and lgu rewards aren't loaded in SOR

zenith flax
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not relevant

mellow flame
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Will the new version let us move the dungeon root vertically? And with you being able to add animations to the ship landing, can you change where your ship lands?

red stratus
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i thought you could already do that?

zenith flax
tall kindle
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so its a yes right now, but in the future it wont be, yes?

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someones high on tzp or smthn

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oh you were serious

zenith flax
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in the future i'll be taking away control from level devs on where the dungeon spawns

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because programming-design wise, it's not really their business yknow

tall kindle
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do you mean you're gonna be handling it in a sort of automatic way?

zenith flax
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kinda yeah

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because multi dungeon

gaunt hinge
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Well I hope their default position won't change
Otherwise I gotta recalibrate my interior stuff

zenith flax
iron quiver
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You mad man

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I tried replying to the custom landing path

zenith flax
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yippee

iron quiver
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I can’t wait to try out all the tools you’re adding for V50

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LLL 2.0.0 perhaps?

zenith flax
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1.2

iron quiver
muted wadi
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any ETA on the next LLL updart?

zenith flax
calm eagle
muted wadi
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lmfao sounds good

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wasn't trying to rush or anything, just curious on what the progress was looking like

slim wind
muted wadi
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oh dang

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I know some of those words!

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Impressive list though, keep up the good work 🙂

drowsy folio
jolly cargo
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Ok so

            num2 = currentLevel.factorySizeMultiplier / dungeonFlowTypes[num].MapTileSize * mapSizeMultiplier;
            Debug.Log($"map size multiplier before rounding : {num2}");
            num2 = (float)((double)Mathf.Round(num2 * 100f) / 100.0);
            Debug.Log($"map size multiplier after rounding : {num2}");```

If factory size multiplier is 1.00

num2 will be 1.5 according to these logs
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so for the standard factory map the maptilesize * mapsizemultiplier must be 0.66 yeah? You said that in Unity the mapsizemultiplier is 1? So the maptilesize of the factory is 0.66 yeah? Just doing math for my own mod and trying to interpret these values

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but yeah as far as I can tell the mapsizemultiplier when the interior is the factory will always be the moon multiplier * 1.5

zenith flax
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the internal desire to not work on lll and just play more talos principle

slim wind
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talos principle mentioned 🔥

zenith flax
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i got all the puzzlezzz on 1

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2's been very cool

muted wadi
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I remember starting 2 and was hoping it wasnt gonna just be a carbon copy of 1 lmao

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and then there was npcs and cutscenes and shit

zenith flax
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yeah right lmaooo

spare bear
young acorn
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the six chaos big bolts

mellow flame
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so I just want to make sure, the newest update of v50 will let us move the ship landing position?

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also since when did experimentation have a whole interior inside of it 💀

spice ingot
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wdym whole interior inside of it

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every moon has an interior inside of it

mellow flame
spice ingot
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to avoid wasting your time imma understand what you're saying n move on lmao

mellow flame
mellow flame
spice ingot
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go off cause i was gonna ask but didnt wanna be dumb lmao

mellow flame
spice ingot
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thats interesting

mellow flame
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like I just learned about this

zenith flax
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experimentation is called that cuz that was the proof of concept level

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original dungeon ideas were that

mellow flame
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ohh intresting

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im making it so you can actually go into it in my moon

hoary sail
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It's actually got quite a few unused things in it if you explore more

mellow flame
hoary sail
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You can find assets there that got used for other things and sounds

young acorn
strange trail
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@zenith flax yo, there is backwards compatibility in LLL right?

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there is a very cool looking moon that I kinda wanna add to my modpack but unsure if it works as it was made with an old version of LLL compared to whats on thunderstore rn

zenith flax
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yeah probably

strange trail
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poggers

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thank youu

unique geode
zenith flax
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whos that

unique geode
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Person who's made some popular mods like SellMyScrap and CoilheadSettings

zenith flax
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if anyone knows their @ lmk

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next lll will probably break their lib

strange trail
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yippie more mod division

unique geode
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I don't see why it wouldn't remain compatible tbh, it's for their own scrap mods tbh

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I think cus LL is broken on V50 rn

zenith flax
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i mean respectfully, you wouldn't know if it would be compatible or not 😛

unique geode
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True

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lol

zenith flax
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and no it probably won't be compatible

unique geode
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Tbf I think it's a temporary solution for V50 atm until LL and LLL update

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So people can still use their scrap mods

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I'm happy for them for making their own lib atm though I love their mods

leaden citrus
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It's a temporary solution for v50

zenith flax
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aight bet

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just wanted to make sure you were in the loop

mellow flame
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hows the star system mod going

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I cant find the thread lol

tough furnace
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hello @zenith flax, I have a question you might be able to answer. Installed LLL in v50 and the terminal computer is just black, and it just softlocks the game 'cuz I can't get out of it, have to restart. Installed the mod by itself and it's still the same. Do you know if there's a way of solving it or we just gotta wait for next update on LLL? Thank you so much, in advance

loud pond
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Yea because it’s broken on V50

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The fix will drop when V50 releases on public branch

tough furnace
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gotta wait then

rich aurora
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Yeah unfortunately the options available is these:

  1. Revert to v49
  2. Wait for v50 public release and LLL to update
  3. Play without any of the custom moons/interiors for v50b (as both LE & LLL are broken rn)
strange trail
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dunno about yall but for me its not really worth it to switch to a beta version just cuz there is 3 new maps and 2 new enemies, when v49 with working LethalLib has like what, 80+ moons and 20+ enemies?

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pick your poison ig

unique geode
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The current v50 beta is not very fun anyways tbh

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Cus of that new trap that feels alpha

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I'd stick to v49 for now

calm eagle
unique geode
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Like how some keep triggering and some don't

hoary sail
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They do feel out of place a bit

merry marsh
loud pond
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If I had to guess the spawns are high so lots of encounters so lots of feedback

zenith flax
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sorry for the wait yall

calm eagle
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all good chef

marsh shard
jolly cargo
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If its ready by then\

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lll is beeg

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and also like we don't know when v50 is going public (I think)

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could be like tomorrow or like a month

loud pond
loud pond
marsh shard
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And there's an unused moon, liquidation!

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So yeah, I agree

young acorn
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liquidation could be coming in a later version too

rich aurora
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Wouldn't surprise me

versed wadi
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I have a few ideas on how to distribute the new version of LLL early; without breaking modpacks at v49. IMO this is important to give mod makers some time to get their depending mods prepared for the changes from upstream.

zenith flax
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Nah im good

versed wadi
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Idea1 would be to just share the zip here

tall kindle
zenith flax
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the reality is there just isn't really a need for me to do that

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either modder use lethallib in which cause it will take them like

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less than an hour to port their stuff

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or lethal expansion in which the beta lll wont help at all

versed wadi
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And idea2 involves a trick with Thunderstore. You could upload a build for v50, followed closely with a build for v49.
Automatic updates will happen, but people using v49 will not be broken as they will get the newest build for v49.
People who want to use v50 can select the "outdated" build and start testing out stuff

zenith flax
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nah im good

tall kindle
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(im sorry for trolling ahead of time 😂)

versed wadi
# zenith flax nah im good

I know that you want to wait for v50 to officially release. And that there's probably still things to change before LLL is ready. Just consider those options, I think it would be better than waiting for the last second

zenith flax
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i dont think it will

strange trail
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no incentive to update the biggest lib mod to work with a beta just cuz of 5 new pieces of content

zenith flax
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i appreciate the input i do

zenith flax
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beta was easy to update for

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its the new lll stuff thats the problem

strange trail
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I was referring to LLL not LL

zenith flax
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yeah

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me2

strange trail
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hmmm

tall kindle
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theres a few reasons why hes not updating, and its also just smart to not update for a beta thats changing every couple days

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not just for LLL, but mostly all mods

strange trail
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which is exactly why I just open my window and scream as loud as possible if I see the "[v50]" snippet in a mod's description and no signs of it working in v49 anymore

mellow flame
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i just want old bird for my moon 🤣

loud pond
zenith flax
fading wyvern
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🛁

zenith flax
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ok gonna try and get some shit done today

jolly cargo
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good job, I know it is hard (at least it is hard for me h)

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also, are you making a mod called "star grazer"

zenith flax
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ye

tall kindle
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Star glazer!? @calm eagle nice going getting them to do that

calm eagle
jolly cargo
# zenith flax ye

What does it do exactly? I was told it lets you see the moons in a way

unique geode
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Star Glazer

jolly cargo
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like something like the image on wesleys? I believe tolian does the same sorta pixel style

wesleysmoonsmap.png
zenith flax
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its dynamically generated

tall kindle
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There has been a user who keeps making really good pixel art for random modded moons

jolly cargo
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hm

tall kindle
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I'd much prefer those pixel arts if possible 😂

jolly cargo
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You think the terminal could have color like that?

zenith flax
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those are cool but theres another id prefer

zenith flax
tall kindle
zenith flax
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ye

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this was the concept art

starmap5.png
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maybe not 1:1 but this is a lot closer to understanding the assignment so-to-speak

calm eagle
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They made some really nice ones for Aur/Tri/Sol

tall kindle
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I remember when they first started by just seeing how Wesley did it for infernis, slightly copying the style, now it's their own thing with it

pine olive
pine olive
tall kindle
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lol

strange edge
arctic matrix
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so we're getting helldivers in lethal company now that's sick

weary apex
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@zenith flax tried to generate TeraSpace(interior) after a long time and gets this error

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slim wind
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hey, it's me again - how's that going? 🤭

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😅

calm eagle
zenith flax
spiral siren
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@zenith flax regarding interiors being visible from the moon, I had a thought here #1215444909092249672 message

I think that the moon and interior should work together to position an exterior shell model of the interior at a certain position on the actual exterior

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if that isn't done, whenever you're on the surface you'll be rendering every single prop and item in the interior, and that'll kill fps

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if instead each tile spawns a separate external model that would appear on the surface, that geometry gets cut down drastically

zenith flax
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yeah i agree

spiral siren
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not sure if that's something you'd want to do in LLL, but it seems like the best way to do that

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and then CullFactory doesn't have to care

zenith flax
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might work best as a small mod that uses LLL

spiral siren
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yeah

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toolbox perhaps?

zenith flax
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mhmm

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unfortunately has to be fairly low on the todo rn though

spiral siren
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oh yeah, can't blame you

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it's niche

zenith flax
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poor backrooms mod been waiting forever

spiral siren
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@vagrant sundial @weary apex see above for an idea for space station #1193461151636398080 message

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would be cool if this type of feature could be unified so that other modders can use it

zenith flax
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@calm eagle what items look like btw

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i hate that unity won't let me re-position where content tags is in the inspector

calm eagle
zenith flax
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im running out of things to cross off on my list

calm eagle
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Good lol

jolly cargo
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is star grazer just visual replacing the hud or does it affect gameplay like limiting planets you can visit and such?

zenith flax
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by default would just be visual

jolly cargo
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ah

zenith flax
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the moons are grouped like how their grouped in the LLL terminal tho

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so if someone made a mod to adjust mechanics using LLL it would be consistent with stargazer if that makes sense

jolly cargo
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I seee

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I feel my issue is that I have too many choices, maybe there is a way to get distances between moons and use a "fuel" currency. Just not sure how I'd do it but its an idea

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it would probably need to be grouped by difficulty to make sense if it was like that tho

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so relatively consistently the farer the moon the more dangerous and profitable but ig that can literally just be like done by multipling those values by a measurement of distance

zenith flax
jolly cargo
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cool

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but what about how they are grouped? Is it always trios?

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1-3 easiest, 4-6 easiest, 7-9 easiest, etc?

zenith flax
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for vanilla moons whatever zeekerss has them as, for custom its a configurable split value which defaults to 3

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and also moons from the same author and/or mod are grouped together when possible (but will be getting split aswell when i have a minute)

mellow flame
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would it be possible to make solar systems with star grazer? Where you can make your ien solar system with the moon mods you chose

zenith flax
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somewhat

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also played content warning for the first proper time last night, gonna double down on lethal company haha

tall kindle
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it's pretty good, it's just the game wasnt built for more content than an hour or two

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which is fair, they didnt expect it to blow up lol

kindred bramble
loud pond
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It’s neat

lament nebula
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Main negative of Content Warning is the pretty bad audio issues

fallow fern
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true Lethal Level Loader moment

zenith flax
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I’ll probably drop at the end of the week regardless

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will take too long to get perfect anyways

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Think I gotta remind myself that rn a bad implementation of something is probably already better than what’s publicly out

unique geode
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Wait new LLL update at the end of this week even if V50 is still in beta? 👀

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Let's gooooo

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I'm excited

zenith flax
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Probably maybe

unique geode
slim wind
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AYOOOOOOOO ❤️

rough edge
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let's go

calm eagle
rich aurora
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Still huffing copium that Kast will be in LLL soon so that I can have all my modded levels & stuff in that since I have no clue if LE/LEC will even be updated for v50

pine olive
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Kast. 511Davida. Amplify. Io. Conviction. Generic Moons. Expert Moons. all these and more will be lost if LE(C) doesnt get updated. i dont wanna lose all that variety.

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and the recently released Solarius and Cesspool, too

unique geode
pine olive
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never said it was his fault

unique geode
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LE and LEC as far as I'm aware

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are abandoned

pine olive
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i know TnT

young acorn
pine olive
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TuT

zenith flax
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celeery hasnt reaponded

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Id love to

young acorn
unique geode
young acorn
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sick, i can finish up fray then probably :D

unique geode
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But I expect it will also work with V49 too, cus V50 is still in beta

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If not though it's fine, once LLL updates I have no reason to stay on V49 lol

quiet stream
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is interior desync still a thing w this?

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haven't used em in a month or two

unique geode
quiet stream
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END OF THIS WEEK???

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HUMINA HUMINA HUMINA

tall kindle
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The sooner the better :p

strange trail
zenith flax
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go out for the night to help fend off the burn out
get sick

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yipeeee

tall kindle
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gj

zenith flax
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Trying to vibe check

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Whats the general consensus on mods that update more frequently but are less stable

quiet stream
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though i'd rather a stable release that i can rely on for a long time that has some small quirks and bugs

sour spindle
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if by update more frequently you mean they're adding more things or working on a very unique or interesting feature then honestly i kinda do value that a bunch over stability

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unless the instability is like

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very frequent crashes

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or other fun ruining stuff

quiet stream
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yeah i answered with like... desync stuff in mind

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||like LLL interior desync which just ended up making me drop interiors completely cuz it's just so annoying to deal with||

loud pond
unique geode
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I'm used to dealing with bugs sometimes that get quickly fixed c;

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If you want you could do the more frequent updates as a seperate build and then keep the releases you consider to be Stable seperate 😄 I would always be down to test the Beta/Experimental builds

naive silo
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They're fine - if a mod update ships with gamebreaking bugs you can always roll back if you need to, although for people outside of this discord community it may be less obvious (looking at you guy who kept on reuploading LEC versions of sfDesat moons).

young acorn
zenith flax
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people expecting lll news meanwhile getting runs like this

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young acorn
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is it a good run

quiet stream
versed wadi
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the only issue with this approach is that r2modman assumes that all updates are good updates.
imo skill issue on the modpack creators. The configs take time to write, read them before blindly updating

tall kindle
zenith flax
versed wadi
versed wadi
tall kindle
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no one reads changelogs

gaunt hinge
zenith flax
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no one cares about the changelog

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unfortunately

versed wadi
strange trail
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modpack creators probably do read changelogs

tall kindle
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doubtful

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no reason to

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

strange trail
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at least I can only talk for myself but I tend to read every update lmao

versed wadi
strange trail
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anyway, I feel like one stable version every once in a while is probably the best approach, for both mod creators and users

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creates less compatibility issues, and also reduces the chances of incompat drama

versed wadi
strange trail
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I mean what Matty is doing is also a neat approach
since thunderstore doesn't have the ability to mark one ver as stable or unstable

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can just reupload the stable ver, and upload an experimental ver that gets updated frequently

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but its up to batby to decide anyway

versed wadi
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Problem with that approach is that depending mods need to pick one or the other, as their dependency.
And can't be made to accept take either one of the two

zenith flax
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i dont wanna upload two different mods

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which is kind of stubborn on my behalf but

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hm

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unless i make it dependent

versed wadi
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using LLL as example here, bet this split would be applicable to anything

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Am i correct in assuming that old mods can't be deleted off of thunderstore?
Only marked deprecated?

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oh i guess tsstore admins could remove a mod. hmm

tall kindle
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if u contact thunderstore staff, you can take em down

versed wadi
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It would seem reasonable for the mod author to have the power to get their own mod unlisted

tall kindle
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they do, its called deprecating

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deprecated mods do only just mean that the mods wont be maintained anymore, and i get your point, but no real rreason to fully unlist rather than deprecate

versed wadi
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when canary changes get merged into a stable release.
canary would need to get an update that 'resets' it.
That update would point to the new stable version as dependency. And clear the overrides that the canary used to be doing

zenith flax
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i think i could be comfortable having the regular LLL release than a experimental upload that's dependent on the regular one but replaces it

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like an addon

strange trail
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that sounds good

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mod devs can just idk, depend on either

tall kindle
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cuz the phrasing suggests "then" but you are you

zenith flax
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then sorry

tall kindle
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how is this gonna work for someone like me, do i gotta start depending on the experimental if theres afeature there i like?

versed wadi
# strange trail mod devs can just idk, depend on either

no, mod devs should probably just depend on the stable. Cuz then the experimental is a choice, that will be applied to all dependents of stable anyway during loading.
If they depend on either you'll get some of them that require the experimental stuff. And you're forced to run the experimental branch if you want to use those dependencies

tall kindle
#

cuz rn the only reason i'd ever want an early release is cuz you dont have enemy registration already set up in current version

versed wadi
#

unless they do actually require the experimental features. then yeah, they wouldn't work with just stable

tall kindle
#

no but u can see how convoluted that could be lol, i'd depend on a potentially not working release for maybe a small feature, and if i wanted to start working again while batby's workign on a fix i'd need to update my mod to depend on the stable version instead?

gaunt hinge
tall kindle
gaunt hinge
versed wadi
zenith flax
#

in the context of your specific usecase

#

enemy stuff would be on stable which tbf will initially probably be unstable

tall kindle
zenith flax
#

in general

#

you would probably be explicitly dependent on both if needed, and remove experimental if not needed

tall kindle
#

eugh

zenith flax
#

i don't think it's a great option

tall kindle
#

you'll have to write code for that in README or smthn :run

zenith flax
#

i just think its maybe almost the best option?

tall kindle
#

i cant think of another way of doing it personally

zenith flax
#

i hate the thunderstore 😭

tall kindle
#

lol

#

what about a config option to turn experimental features on?

#

idk if u considered that, i barely have

zenith flax
#

its not viable

tall kindle
#

it probably isnt a great great idea but who knows

zenith flax
#

comparing my lll to public lll, there probably more different code than pre-existing

versed wadi
zenith flax
#

it's not an explicit need but more of a adding and removing the "addon" vs. swapping it

versed wadi
tall kindle
#

@zenith flax i want to be able to customise the colour of the scan node

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pls add it to your todo list

zenith flax
tall kindle
#

i also wanna be able to give it an animation so it changes while you're looking at it, potentially having a rainbow going back and forth

zenith flax
#

you can do that

tall kindle
#

i can?

zenith flax
#

sure

#

i believe in you

tall kindle
#

😭

versed wadi
#

yeah you can, just mod LC directly, lol

#

maximize api duplication \s

quiet stream
quiet stream
spare bear
old pebble
#

have been out of the LLL loop for a while

#

What's cooking in the next update?

slim wind
#

that's the one

old pebble
#

that's quite a list, thanks

#

will replacing vanilla scenes be supported in the upcoming update

mellow flame
mellow flame
zenith flax
old pebble
marsh shard
mellow flame
mellow flame
pine olive
#

it'll need a name that's distinguishable enough. like "Dine-A" or somethin

tall kindle
#

It'll be part of dine

#

Random chance/configurable chance going to dine would get you either one of em

pine olive
#

😮

#

so a Site-A/Site-B sort of deal

limber thunder
#

Also, while I'm here, I'd much prefer functionality in smaller chunks, possibly in different mod packages altogether. Doesn't mean you couldn't develop them in concert (in the same repo, even). Like, if I didn't need custom DungeonFlows, I could leave out LLLDungeons. Also if there's an issue with Dungeons, I'd probably only have to investigate that Submod, and maybe a bit of LLL(core). Yes, I know it's a bit cringe to invoke the (core) comparison here.

#

I feel like that's about what you were going for with experimental being a separate thing.

rich aurora
#

While I'm real late to the discussion I feel like an odd one out as to someone who reads changelogs lmao

#

Particularly I like when occurences like this crop up and sound silly when out of context

image.png
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Wesley cube ptsd incoming

loud pond
#

Could use the poll feature

#

For uhh this #1193461151636398080 message
(Also feel free to post your own batby if I didn’t word it well)

#

@zenith flax

tardy flax
# loud pond

if you're considering something like this, why not a beta version of the mod (if that doesn't already exist)? i get some possible reasons may be mod conflict and people depending on the beta even if it's broken

loud pond
#

im not the dev

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batbty just asked this a bit ago

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and somebody rebrought it up

tardy flax
loud pond
#

ah

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mb then

tardy flax
#

i am aware batby's the dev kek

loud pond
tardy flax
#

but a beta fork could work and could allow devs to pre-prepare for newer versions + mess around and expirement with new stuff

#

the one problem is if in big modpacks both the beta and the release version are being used

vagrant sundial
unique geode
#

I'm excited btw, we're about 1 or 2 days away now from Batby pushing the update cus they said end of this week poggers

pine olive
#

wesmoons imminent, my purple and green friend

strange trail
#

wateridge return

pine olive
#

yes please...

#

the more original moons, the better

mellow flame
#

Tbh I’m gonna get overwhelmed

#

I need stargazer

tall kindle
#

Is today the day

zenith flax
#

no

pine olive
#

i say wait til the deadest line. make sure it's good n tasty

unique geode
# zenith flax no

I'm excited cus I know it should probably be today or tomorrow you drop the new LLL update, depending on what you consider the end of the week to be :3

spice ingot
#

watch them drop it sunday

zenith flax
unique geode
#

Cus you've been cooking this update for a while

versed wadi
#

It's gonna drop tommorow at 10PM \s

dusty bramble
#

hello people, is LLL playable on v50 ? i get a blank screen and i'm unsure if its bc i installed something wrong or its currently unsupported

unique geode
#

The current v50 beta is incompatible with a lot of mods rn

#

Use v49 for now

dusty bramble
#

Outch, aight, thanks!

vagrant sundial
#

chop chop LLL boy, v50 dropped

calm eagle
dim wing
#

Wait is the full release out now?

unique geode
dim wing
#

oh what

unique geode
#

It dropped live for me on Stream XD

weary apex
unique geode
#

I went to launch the game, noticed it took a while

#

and it was cus

#

Bam

#

V50

dim wing
#

oh boy, any changes from the last beta?

unique geode
#

@zenith flax

dim lily
#

the one nerfing jetpack

loud pond
#

ruh roh

dim wing
#

is true

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vagrant sundial
dim wing
#

beta and main match with the same build ID now

loud pond
dim lily
loud pond
#

man

gaunt hinge
idle ravine
#

gonna be a rude awakening lol

image.png
rich aurora
#

ikr lmao

kindred bramble
#

The poor soul.

#

Well @zenith flax I need Shattered Company working again. Let's go. 😛

mellow flame
#

chop chop LLL boy, v50 dropped

vagrant sundial
#

that's what i said!

strange trail
#

poor batby oh lord

#

hopefully he wont have much to fix

vagrant sundial
#

i think v50 support was already done. It was more of patching every new feature together into one working thing

strange trail
#

ya thats what I mean

red thunder
#

lmao @ LLL updating and then v50 fully releasing immediately after

hollow rivet
red thunder
#

I thought this meant lll updated for v50

hollow rivet
#

@zenith flax

mellow flame
brisk crag
#

not me watching my mod list all day waiting for LLL update to drop 😛

dusty bramble
#

read there that it would get updated this week so i'm like crazy waiting

brisk crag
#

ik, I done tested lethal prob 50+ times in the past 3 days trying to get a work around to at least get Aquatis (friend groups fav map) but alas here we are waiting

dusty bramble
#

i'm more about the interiors

#

lc_office elevator is a favorite for me group

brisk crag
#

I just wanna hunt baboon hawks on aquatis cause its super open and easy, plus they spawn the most on that map for some reason, so its easy hawk farming.

vernal grove
#

i remember playing it when it was in early stages and it was really buggy and kinda empty

dusty bramble
#

its aight for me, didnt experience any bugs on it, and loot is easy to find

#

tbh

#

the only issue i had on it was elevator desync

#

some people just disappears inside it and show up again outside

#

but thats all i guess

dusty bramble
#

i have troubles getting accomodated to new maps

azure ether
#

I know there's a new interior based on the intro room and stuff-

#

though just released a day or two ago

dusty bramble
#

wait fr ?

vernal grove
#

need

#

oh wait is it the starlancer one?

azure ether
vernal grove
pine olive
#

rosie has good moons. super good

vernal grove
#

yeah, i have rosie's moons i just didn't know abouyt the interior

azure ether
vagrant sundial
tall kindle
#

Treating batby like some tiktok movie poster

#

Chop chop Lethal boy

mellow flame
worldly lagoon
#

chop chop LLL boy

pine olive
#

me just bein patient here in the corner while i continue v49 yoiled

nimble umbra
#

can someone ping me when LLL for v50 come out?

tall kindle
#

I'll try

red stratus
#

i wont >:3

mellow flame
red stratus
calm eagle
#

For any mod makers dependent on LLL, now's a good time to back up your project

fair dome
#

chop chop LLL boy

brisk crag
#

chop chop LLL boy

hexed mesa
#

chop chop LLL fam

mellow flame
#

chop chop LLL users

abstract bobcat
#

grass

versed wadi
abstract bobcat
#

🙏

tall kindle
#

Man's was scared to write more than 2 hours just incase batby delayed it for that reason

versed wadi
#

I originally typed in 24h. But at that rate we would easily postpone it to the heat death of the universe

mellow flame
#

/j

spice ingot
#

pelt this guy with rocks /j

red stratus
young tartan
#

waiting

fierce axle
#

When update?

#

Tomorrow at 10pm PST

mellow flame
#

LLL releasing still does not change the fact that my in game unity editor in noms noms patcher doesent work

quiet stream
#

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

loud pond
zenith flax
#

lemme wake up abit before i say anything

fierce axle
#

lol

#

Wake up lll boy

loud pond
#

no rush btw take as much is nessisary for a good release

fierce axle
#

Yea I was just joking lolll

dim wing
#

lol hi Batby

lament nebula
#

Yeah I imagine most people were just goofing

#

Take your time my man

#

A few hours, a couple of days, or even a week+

#

Just work at your own pace

fierce axle
#

Or even 4 months

lament nebula
lament nebula
unique geode
idle ravine
#

batby waking up to v50 being out

limmy.jpg
fierce axle
#

Lolll

pine olive
calm eagle
zenith flax
empty trail
zenith flax
#

to be completely transparent i haven't been able to work on LLL for a couple of days

empty trail
#

Ah np

#

Get it out when you can ofc, esp dont want to be plagued with burnout

zenith flax
#

❤️

#

at this point yall would probably want an unstable more than anything right

#

since v49 is no longer main version anyway?

unique geode
#

I'm down for a new build even if it's a bit unstable

zenith flax
#

can people even play v49 rn

abstract bobcat
#

Yeah

#

Same method just previous version instead of public beta or w/e

hoary sail
unique geode
#

But it's not ideal since so many mods have updated already

drowsy folio
#

is it even possible for mods to be compatible with v49 and v50 at the same time?

#

probably not right?

empty trail
#

Depends on the mod

#

I think most enemy mods cant though

#

Unless im wrong

empty trail
unique geode
#

A lot of enemy mods updated already and won't be backwards compatible

hoary sail
#

There is a versions tab on each page on thunderstore

drowsy folio
#

well yeah

#

those have always been there

loud pond
#

despite it working before the v50 update dropped

empty trail
#

odd

unique geode
#

Matty crashed on v49 though so who knows

#

@zenith flax I'm prepared to stream again tn if you manage to get the new update for LLL out lol

#

Otherwise I'll likely stream tomorrow if it won't be a few hours or so yet before you manage to release it

queen stump
#

Give bro some time

unique geode
#

Ye

#

I am

queen stump
#

😭

#

I mean idk what changes need to be made

#

But it shouldn't be insane

#

Just registry for the new moons

unique geode
#

Well from what I've seen everyone say

#

Interiors will work out of the box

#

Custom moons will need some changes

queen stump
#

Might cry

zenith flax
unique geode
zenith flax
#

mhm

unique geode
#

👀

#

Yay 😄

empty trail
#

Oh fun!

queen stump
#

PEAK!!!

empty trail
#

Without all the new enemy, scrap & trap spawns ofc

unique geode
#

Yeah but at least they'll work

#

c;

empty trail
#

Those are moon creator-side

#

Probably configurable though

unique geode
#

I miss my custom moons and interiors XD

queen stump
#

Scrap?

#

Moons?

unique geode
queen stump
#

Enemies?

unique geode
#

👀

#

I feel like it'll fit pretty well

#

XD

empty trail
empty trail
#

Since they wont be configred to do so

queen stump
#

Correct?

empty trail
#

Mhm

#

But itll work without the upgrade too

#

Just not spawn those new stuff

queen stump
#

Cry ...

#

But that's fair

empty trail
#

Doubt itll take a long time to do that though

queen stump
#

I just realized the Taiga moon won't be ported over 😭

#

Rip young blood...

empty trail
#

Yeah, likely not, unless they port it over to LLL

#

Wesley's Moons is moving to LLL soon so the v50 stuff might already be there

queen stump
#

Should I delete it if it doesn't? For compatability reasons?

empty trail
queen stump
#

Oh

#

I didn't know

queen stump
#

Fumo scrap

#

You know of it?

#

Does that also cause issues?

empty trail
#

Not sure

#

if it uses that as a dependancy though, yeah

queen stump
#

I just checked their thread

#

They're porting

#

Phew.

empty trail
#

thats good

#

I bet most Lethal Expansion stuff will be ported over

#

Esp since Batby is adding compat to adding items with LLL

#

Unless I heard wrong

#

xD

queen stump
#

I mean

#

It's still odd to me people still use it

#

It's dead is it not?

#

Dropped by the uh

#

Creator

loud pond
empty trail
#

Thats suprising

#

Well thats good for people then

loud pond
#

you need LECOREP not LECORE i sohulda explainerd what that ment

queen stump
#

You mean

#

le core?

loud pond
#

lethalexpansioncorepatch

queen stump
#

Sorry

queen stump
#

I didn't know that was real...

loud pond
queen stump
#

Replaces

loud pond
#

its not compeltly functional

queen stump
#

Uhhh LE Core???

loud pond
#

yes

#

im using wesley moons on v50

#

1 issue is that the custom scrap from wesleys moons spawns on every moon

#

and isnt mooon specific

queen stump
loud pond
#

its not wesleys fault

loud pond
#

its not 100% functional

queen stump
#

Hopefully they fix it

loud pond
#

I use it for now because theb gus arnt gamebreaking

queen stump
#

Jk jk

loud pond
#

hard to type while playing sorry lol

queen stump
#

So peak...

zenith flax
#

aight time to lock in

empty trail
queen stump
#

LETS GO BATHBY

brisk crag
zenith flax
#

later ill probably need testers

#

high chance theres gonna be a handful of small but gamebreaking bugs that stop full sessions from being viable

empty trail
queen stump
#

I don't know if I qualify but I would love to help

unique geode
#

XD

empty trail
#

xD

unique geode
#

As I've done countless times already

#

lol

empty trail
#

cant help with much rn since im trying to fix my project T-T

queen stump
zenith flax
#

idk if its super stream worthy ngl

#

its possible it just dies at parts

empty trail
#

& im remaking one of my interiors

queen stump
#

Omg I'm so sorry

#

Literally the Gord 0 and Affliction creator smh...

#

I'm dumb

empty trail
#

pffttt, np

queen stump
#

Keep up the great work!

empty trail
#

Ty!

serene viper
#

been gone for a minute heard v50 dropped does lll work there yet

queen stump
serene viper
#

keep cookin @zenith flax cant wait to see what you have in store for us

open wind
#

I made it just to backport a feature from LE so my scrap mod worked with the v50 moons

loud pond
#

Idk it works so

open wind
#

The only change I made other than that was a single line to make it compile against v50

#

Lmao

loud pond
#

So true LMAO

#

I mean it works so I’ll take it

#

I need my Wesley moons on v50

open wind
#

Do custom moons work with it? plz don't make your stuff depend on my patch, the only reason i published it under a different package is I wanted to play with my friends using it tonight

#

I opened a PR on the main LECore

loud pond
#

Most moon makers are porting away from LE anyways

#

And moons work yes

#

Scrap too

open wind
#

Lol

loud pond
open wind
#

LECore is behind LE on some features though

loud pond
#

Some people might just opt to using it

#

If they wanna well play LE stuff on v50

open wind
#

If it works then whatever

#

After looking into it, LE/LECore are kind of a mess internally

zenith flax
#

ye

#

victim of being the first mod to do that stuff

loud pond
#

Yea it’s the side effect of early age modding

loud pond
open wind
#

Ah yeah I added a line so that if the moon was misisng and ther wasn't an "others" moon it would use the global spawn weight

#

Should probably remove that lol

loud pond
#

Other than that it appears to be fully functional

#

And that’s great

#

You might also wanna specify some of the things to mentioned here about it being a temporary fix and to not depend on it

#

Because as it states it’s just a clone of the LECORE readme

open wind
#

I didn't consider that leaving that out might have been intentional

#

Yeah I'll do that along with fixing the per-moon scrap thing

loud pond
#

To the point where I asked a friend to go through the code to make sure it was not a virus 😭

#

Because it looked like a clone reupload

#

With like 10 downloads

open wind
#

whoops

#

lol

loud pond
#

But somebody suggested using it for v50 Wesley

open wind
#

I meant it just for my friends to use, didn't think other people would

loud pond
#

Yea understandable lol

mellow flame
unique geode
#

But yes I agree that Sector-0 and Starlancer's Interior work too

#

All 3 are better than the vanilla ones for it

mellow flame
open wind
zenith flax
#

kinda hoping it doesnt get merged

open wind
mellow flame
#

Tbh I was kinda happy that LE would no longer get updated, it weeds out the outdated and abandoned mods, and LLL is the future

open wind
#

I feel like I'm contributing to the problem

loud pond
#

Active modders will port there stuff over to LLL there is no reason for them to not really

open wind
#

If I could help with getting LE scrap working with LethalLib or whatever the standard is now, I'd be happy to do that

loud pond
#

But having some way to use LE will be nice for the old moons

#

That arnt getting love

#

Or scrap mods

zenith flax
#

LLL v50 will 100% break LE regardless

open wind
#

That was me, I just wanted to see my scrap mod working

zenith flax
#

have you messed with editor tooling before @open wind

loud pond
zenith flax
loud pond
open wind
zenith flax
#

ye

mellow flame
open wind
#

Yeah I have some unity/C# experience from years ago

mellow flame
#

And people the are asking for support

zenith flax
#

i can show you my super fucked LE -> LC converter tool

open wind
#

Nowadays all my day-to-day work is java though

zenith flax
#

its extremely gross

open wind
#

I'd be happy to help

zenith flax
#

ill dm

mellow flame
#

Rizz?

loud pond
open wind
#

Do I get the modder role now lol

loud pond
mellow flame
loud pond
open wind
loud pond
loud pond
loud pond
zenith flax
#

so easy

#

so so easy

loud pond
#

Nice

zenith flax
#

also heads up to people

#

non zero chance i just remove a lot of the config stuff from first v50 version

#

cuz a lot of it is problematic

loud pond
#

Death

empty trail
#

Got it

loud pond
#

Lethal company v100 gonna come out before I make my moon functional fr….

empty trail
#

Pfft

loud pond
empty trail
open wind
loud pond
#

Thankfully LQ (while being more complicated) can cover for that stuff I think

zenith flax
loud pond
empty trail
loud pond
#

Time spend developing vs time spent bug fixing

#

Like a good 1:10 ratio

empty trail
# zenith flax ye

Ah got it, ill keep my interiors loaded with code atm then so i can have my interiors use configs

loud pond
empty trail
loud pond
#

And my textures / mats are all fucked

empty trail
#

Very odd

loud pond
#

It’s an external blender file I didn’t make the stuff in Unity so that’s probably part of the problem

empty trail
#

Ah yeah probably

#

Do you have read and write on the imported mesh?

loud pond
#

Yes

empty trail
#

Welp

#

Thats as far as i can help xd

loud pond
empty trail
#

Hope you get it figured out

loud pond
#

Shits making me mental gonna give it like a day before I just abandon it for the time being and try something else

empty trail
#

I barely touch blender since its scary

loud pond
#

I touch blender a lot

#

I’ve never had any issues like this before

#

But I guess I’ve also never done terrain things before

empty trail
#

Yeah that’s fair

loud pond
#

Also this time it isn’t my stuff (I normally want like every asset in my mods to be my stuff/members of the projects stuff lol)

#

Im porting stages from risk of rain 2

#

Into moons

#

If you know what that is

mellow flame
#

So do we need to change anything with our moons?

#

I thought I read try at we didn’t but others are saying we are

zenith flax
#

whos saying that

unique geode
# zenith flax

Looking forward to hopefully playing with the new update later when I wake up Batby, I'mma try to get some sleep so I can be up to stream early lol

mellow flame
zenith flax
#

whos saying people have to change stuff

unique geode
mellow flame
empty trail
#

Unless im totally wrong about that

#

But i think thats how itll work

mellow flame
empty trail
#

Im remaking my project in a new Unity thing since i just want a fresh sorted project for v50 onwards

mellow flame
#

that makes sense tho

mellow flame
#

since repatching to v50 messes with the folders i think

empty trail
#

For some

#

For others it doesnt

#

Youll have to do some setup / backups to make sure it doesnt break any of your stuff

mellow flame
#

ye

forest mountain
tall kindle
#

Hes done more modding than whats required rn if that helps :p

forest mountain
#

I don't check this channel regularly so idk

vagrant sundial
zenith flax
#

u

#

why is celestialtint a mod that contains two dlls that have the names of two different mods and none celestialtint

#

😭

vagrant sundial
#

Because one of them is completely unused for the last 6 updates and I should probably change the name of the other one lol

#

It’s my first mod!

zenith flax
#

aight

#

ill put the guns away

vagrant sundial
zenith flax
#

suprised ship window mod doesnt move the terminal here

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empty trail
zenith flax
tall kindle
#

dunno but looks true to me

#

LLL v50 isnt up on thunderstore rn