Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[lament nebula]

It makes sense to change the name of a fork anyway imo

But in a way that adding a prefix or suffix

[spare pecan]

Yeah, whatever let's not anger the mods by talking abt AC in here

[lament nebula]

“LethalLevelLoaderAdvanced” or something

[spare pecan]

That's kind of a better way to do it, yeah

[lament nebula]

I was gonna put the Advanced first, but it sounds way better at the end lol

[spare pecan]

Or like PotatoeAdvancedLoader, whatever you know there's so many options

Anyway i'm stopping here abt AC

[alpine heart]

finally. ty

[zenith flax]

Please don’t use this channel if you use the AC fork of LLL, thanks 👍

[alpine heart]

i understand. i'm not against you... i meant finally someone told me about what AENIEMA said 😕

i asked idk how many times and now i understand thanks to AENIEMA

also, i'm not using AC if that helps 🙂

[zenith flax]

Ya we all good then, wasn't trying to diss or anything just wanted to clarify it wasnt supported in this channel

[serene viper]

does lll work with lethal expansion properly yet?

[alpine heart]

it works well with LECore i've heard. Not sure cause i don't use LE now

and it used to work well even before when i used them together

[serene viper]

can i use le core in place of le?

[alpine heart]

yes

you should use LECore alone, without LE. if you have both of them, i think by default LECore will disable LE

[serene viper]

so unitstall le, and replace with core then

[alpine heart]

yes unless you like LE's other features

cause LECore is debloated version

[serene viper]

dont normally use it, i just need the dependency for another mod, but i know that le didnt function well with lll couldnt see moons

[alpine heart]

ah then try LECore

there are many new moons that use LLL btw if you didn't know

[serene viper]

oh really?

[alpine heart]

yk what, i wouldn't say MANY. but there are quite a few if you want i'll send

[serene viper]

please dp

*do

[alpine heart]

aight

i think these are most, if not all

[arctic matrix]

that's like 1.5 GB download and 2 minutes of loading time in just that 1 picture

I wish the moons were smaller and loaded faster

[slim wind]

it's all on LLL?

[royal yacht]

why does bro have the bundle and the moons

tolian moons literary has echoreach and celestria and maritopia

[alpine heart]

Yes

[alpine heart]

The bundle downloads each mod automatically

[slim wind]

i did not realize there's so much moons already 😅

[royal yacht]

oh really?

didn't know

[alpine heart]

Yes

[royal yacht]

i never used bundles

[alpine heart]

Same

Just for this

Might delete the bundle

[alpine heart]

I believe gorgonzola even has a custom outside entity

Not sure tho

[slim wind]

🥹

[low zealot]

I don't know if it's been mentioned for times but..

I've had some cases which softfroze the game with the error "Object reference not set to an instance of an object"

I heard it was kind of related to LethalExpansion, If it's true, should i temporarily disable it until it gets fixed?

[alpine heart]

Haven’t tried it yet 😂

[low zealot]

oh wait is this a wrong place to ask?

[alpine heart]

Idk about it. Maybe because i don’t use LE if that’s the cause

[alpine heart]

Damn fr? 💀

[arctic matrix]

yea custom moons are often 50-150 MB each and make the game take ~5 seconds longer to start

[zenith flax]

LLL moons shouldn’t

[woven citrus]

My loading times increased as I added more mods, but LLL moons did not have a bigger impact than most other mods from what I could measure.

[arctic matrix]

I've noticed the LLL packages don't seem to take as long as LE packages but also they're sometimes split between multiple lines in the console so hard to tell

[low zealot]

currently not seeing this issue, usually happens when in custom moons

[royal yacht]

Its wip but it will be a feature in the future

[strange trail]

this is still an issue, I completely removed anything LethalExpansion(Core) related mods and lethallib scraps still dont show up on LLL moons

this is definitely not a lethalexpansion related issue

same here, only vanilla scraps and enemies
I'd really love to see how exactly people make Shy guy spawn on secret labs

[royal yacht]

i use lethalquantities

its really good

its uses a webgui

to work

and u can do basically anything u need

[strange trail]

seems like a big hassle to do my own scrap list for each moon ngl

but thank you, this works as a bandaid fix

[royal yacht]

i meant for the shy guy part but i could do that aswell lol

or u could

well i could for u

u just gotta load the preset thing by going in a save with the mod

[alpine heart]

you can use global settings

[strange trail]

sure but that kinda ruins Wesley's moons a bit

unless global settings add onto existing scraplists

which I highly doubt

[tawny pier]

Wait, how do you show the difficulty and price like that?

[slim wind]

all

[lament nebula]

ShowMoonPriceLLL

with the difficulty config enabled

[mellow flame]

he posted batbyts reddit post, didnt even respond. Idk what he was thinking when posting that, and people just replied with laughing emojies. Some crazy D riding of potatoepet

[lament nebula]

Keep drama discussion to the thread, please.

[merry marsh]

Is it possible to lower the default interior chances on the default maps? I tried doing it but in the logs I can't see a change to Level1Flow, all other interiors inject weight values correctly. Raising Level2Flow seems to work, so I assume I'm missing something

[idle ravine]

I think there's an issue with lowering vanilla moon flow values; you can increase all other dungeon flows to compensate

[merry marsh]

how much of an increase to everything should I do you think?

[idle ravine]

Entirely up to you depending on what odds you'd like to have

[merry marsh]

You wouldn't happen to know weight values for every 10%? I know 300 is 50% and 100 is 25%

I dumb sorry LOL

[idle ravine]

Values don't directly correlate to percentage values, it's dependent on the total

[merry marsh]

What should the max total add up to you'd think then?

[idle ravine]

There's no (realistic) limit to the values, just the higher the more likely relative to other values

For reference most vanilla moons have 1 dungeon at 300 and the alt layout usually somewhere in the 20s

So every dungeon set to 300 means equal chance of all of them

(except the alt layout in the case that it isn't modified)

[merry marsh]

This is how I was basing all my values before. Still not sure of how much to give other maps to compensate

Balancing all interiors can be a little tricky lol

[idle ravine]

Yeah, balance being kinda subjective itself too, it's pretty much just what kind of chances do you want them to have

[sullen coral]

Best way to think of it is, let's say you have 3 interiors, Facility, Scoopy's, and SCP, each set at 300 (vanilla facility is 300 in most cases)
300/900 is 33%, so each one is at 33%

If you only have Facility and SCP though, it's now 300 and 300, for a total of 600

300/600 is 50%

So you kinda have to do a bit of math to figure out exactly what percentage each moon would have

[merry marsh]

Does Titan have a weight of 300 for facility?

[sullen coral]

Yes. More specifically, it has 300 Facility, 7 Mansion

So if you want another interior to be exactly 50%, for example, you'll want to do 307 OtherInterior

Though personally I'd just do 300

[drowsy folio]

that doesn't sound right

in v49, titan has an 18.7% chance to be mansion

[sullen coral]

Might be an outdated number

Oop

No was looking at the wrong one

300 Facility, 69 Mansion

Right on the money, 69/369 = 18.69%

Good catch @drowsy folio

[drowsy folio]

👍

[south hawk]

Nobody knows why the value of some items goes below 0?

Maybe because there are a lot of custom items - which are too expensive. Therefore, the general value on the moon breaks down and makes some things without a price...

I think this is too much for EXP

[zenith flax]

Modlist?

[south hawk]

Give me a sec

[south hawk]

018df46e-90ce-afc6-56b3-ecd147c7f407

I'll upload the video now

Show a couple as an example

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uhg-sio1pUXLD8WqqBezIvIgte1owddd?usp=drive_link

[south hawk]

Here I have clearly demonstrated

The appearance of things without a price, but when you bring it to the ship, the price is counted

The company sees the price

For the player to see the price, he needs to reload the save with this item - then everything becomes obvious

I checked everything in solo, I'm afraid to imagine what will happen in multiplayer

[south hawk]

Damn, I didn't record the video...

I'm sorry

first time like this 😭

Next time I will try to find the real cause of the problem. This didn't happen before. Perhaps something was updated and broke the system

I'll find out later

Perhaps this has nothing to do with LLL at all...

@zenith flax Has anyone encountered such a problem? Or am I the problem? 😅

[south hawk]

I understood what the problem is

Perhaps he breaks the price and does not show

[iron quiver]

Uh I’ve only heard of WeatherMultipliers

[slim wind]

Meteo multiplier is an improved version of weathermultipliers

[warped pilot]

any reason the config generates multiple entries for custom levels?

got like 3 orions

which ones real...

[vagrant sundial]

The one with extra text above the configuration options

[warped pilot]

the comments?

alright

why do these come up anyway

[vagrant sundial]

I think everytime you add a moons it regenerates the config file, but doesn't delete the old options. I'm not really sure

[slim wind]

👆 👆 👆

[warped pilot]

sooo should i remove old ones?

[slim wind]

and it's an ordered list - when you change the order (or a count) of items it's regenerating again 😦

yes

[warped pilot]

config is super cluttered

alright

[autumn turtle]

i'm ootl about the drama, i just want to know : is the original LLL still usable with AC ?

i really don't care about the bug about prices the fork fixes and i'd prefer to use the original mod

[south hawk]

Well, use purely one LLL

It's simple

[south hawk]

Or you can set a price tag for each planet and save the preset

This is the only solution, until the next AC update

[wild wing]

AC took all of LLL's code and implemented it into it's own (more or less stole it but theres an entire thread about it)
Not sure if it works right now but it will more than likely break in the future if both of these mods are in your pack

[autumn turtle]

well i'm just no gonna update AC

works fair enough as of 0.10

thanks for the replies

sad to see drama about lethal modding

[wild wing]

yeah just make sure you wont update to 1.1.4 where he intentionally broke LLL support

[ivory lion]

From my experience, it seems to break the moon prices if you have those set to be shown on the moons list through the LLL config

It’ll show up that they don’t cost anything, but once you type in the name to get the confirmation menu it’ll show the correct price

[south hawk]

By the way, yes

Shows 0, but when you select a planet, the real price is shown

[ivory lion]

Yep

I’m honestly just gonna swap over to lethal quantities

Because AC is starting to conflict with too many mods after its update

[south hawk]

I support

I gave up a long time ago xD

[ivory lion]

It was a nice addition before everything happened

[warped pilot]

is there a way to change the manual order of the moons here? sorting it to price isnt ideal here because i use perma moons and they set to 0 sometimes, but aquatis is definitely not up there in price or difficulty (in fact, aquatis is free)

im on preview all, would l;ike to keep it on sort none

would it work if i just changed the number here??

if i sort by price, it updates to 0 becuase of permamoons if i "buy" the moon and it breaks the order..

[vagrant sundial]

@zenith flax For whatever reason Celest and Celestria seem to be getting the same value displayed. It started happening after Celestria switched to LLL. https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/sfDesat/Explorations/ (on the latest version)

[vagrant sundial]

TerminalFormatter is not the issue

[waxen fog]

some of my moons are showing up as 0 in the preview even tho they are quite expensive

even vanilla moons like titan are previewing as 0 next to march

[uneven wadi]

^ same

[true void]

mod list

[true void]

mod list…

[uneven wadi]

018df69d-85b5-de30-4800-9c41750b1c5a

[true void]

dude

you have advanced company

that is the cause

but you can fix that by checking the box for every moon's price in the ac menu

[uneven wadi]

alright, thanks

[true void]

if you have another issue with something relating to LLL and you have AC installed, probably best to contact the creator of AC instead

[uneven wadi]

yeah, although im pretty sure there was some stuff going on with that since the thread was locked so I was just like oh someone is asking the same question

[true void]

Oh yeah you cant contact him here

he isnt here

Ill stop talking about ac now

[merry marsh]

I'm actually having a similar issue where on the moons list Celest and Celestria both have a price of 650 but when you select Celest its actually only 350, so not a big deal. I also don't have advanced company, so its not that

[south hawk]

🤬

[merry marsh]

I'm sorry I didn't see the message from sfDesat 🫣

Speaking of Celestria, how does it have 3 DungeonFlows for the Facility? I thought there were only 2?

[idle ravine]

There are 3 facility dungeon flows in the base game, but one is the 3 fire exit flow specifically for March

[merry marsh]

So does that mean on any map with 3 fire exits I need to inflate all other interior weights to compensate?

If I want them all somewhat equal?

[merry marsh]

Or does not every multi-fire exit map use the march interior? Aquatis doesn't and it has multiple fire exits

I guess it could be, the console really doesn't specify

[idle ravine]

LLL has its own workaround for multi fire exit handling that every dungeon uses

[merry marsh]

So for celestria when trying to balance out the weights, should I treat it like any normal map where it has 300 weight for facility?

[idle ravine]

Pretty much, I think it has slightly tweaked generation parameters but it's basically identical to the normal flow otherwise

And there's the extra large one which I think is unused? I don't remember seeing it used anywhere

[merry marsh]

Does LLL always account for multiple weights for the same interior? Like on EchoReach it has a 300 weight for both facility interiors

[idle ravine]

Technically they're different flows I'm pretty sure so they'd be accounted for separately

[merry marsh]

Thats what I assumed

[idle ravine]

Probably needs manual testing to be sure

[merry marsh]

ty for all the help, my friends and I are gonna have a blast once I make these interiors feel a little more organic with spawn chances

[idle ravine]

If you want a good reference EasyIdles quality moons has a great config setup that matches interiors to moons very well

[merry marsh]

thanks for the tip

Also found an issue in my checking interiors. Celest and Celestria are both getting the same weights applied to interiors, all of Celest's weights get applied to Celestria

So its not just a pricing issue

Is there a better way to refrence each map to prevent this from happening?

[lament nebula]

Rootbeer Vape
Bruh

[serene viper]

I'm curious why every moon and interior doesn't just use lll

[zenith flax]

Every interior does use LLL

[iron quiver]

🤯

[sullen coral]

And the moons that don't usually don't simply because LethalExpansion (or at least release/documentation) was first to hit the scene

Luckily now LLL has quite a few tutorials

[idle ravine]

and generally speaking LE moons are reasonably compatible with LLL (with LECore)

[sullen coral]

Mhm. LE was the predominant one for a while until the devs stepped down

From my understanding though LLL is much more vanilla compatible, meaning if Batby quit, other loaders could theoretically load them better than moons made with LE

Since LLL moons use mostly all vanilla scripts and methods

[zenith flax]

literally the only difference between a LLL moon and a moon zeekers makes rn is not having a dungeonflow in your dungeongenerator

and that's only because of some code to make march not break

[sullen coral]

Mhm. And LLL handles that functionality for choosing a DungeonFlow anyways atm

[zenith flax]

if you remove the dungeonflow from a level ripped from #1199473521265475745 you can bundle it up and play it in LLL

(and make an extendedlevel asset for it ofc)

[sullen coral]

Hypothetically though if a mod dev wanted they could skip the ExtendedLevel step, and because they're so compatible with vanilla they could still be loaded (minus the whole DungeonFlow thing)

[zenith flax]

yeah

[sullen coral]

Though a replacement system would be needed

As otherwise prices and info can't be set

[royal yacht]

maybe a day will come where lethalexpanasion isn't needed in my modpack anymore

[calm eagle]

...
time to make hellish versions of eveey vanilla moon

[iron quiver]

[iron quiver]

w e s l e y

[slim wind]

we're waiting for the day 🙏

[silent oak]

can we change the weights of vanilla interiors for the vanilla moons? like i just want all vanilla moons to have a 50/50 chance for vanilla interior

i dont seem to really understand the config at the bottom, if it is possible

wait nvm, i think i figured it out lol

yep, got it. Just a skill issue

[merry marsh]

@vagrant sundial @weary apex @zenith flax Whenever I use the simulate command with Celestria it just shows the interior rates for Celest, and when I load into Celestria, in the console all the DungeonFlow values are the ones for Celest not Celestria. Is this something I'm doing wrong on my end? Or a problem with LLL?

[solemn bison]

I'm actually having a different problem with the simulate command, namely that it tries to navigate me to the moon in question as if I just typed the moon's name, and completely ignores the "simulate" part at the start.

[merry marsh]

After a bunch of testing with the simulate command, Level1FlowLarge's weight doesn't influence the games calculation for which interior you get. I'm pretty sure it's weight determines if you'll get a large or small facility. In the case of Titan you always get large since Level1Flow has a weight of 0. Some modded maps have a weight of 300 for both facility interiors, in that case I assume its a 50/50 chance to get a normal sized facility or a large one

[merry marsh]

Though when you land and run the simulate command it shows 2 facilities in the list and adjusts the percent to compensate. So I could be wrong with the above^

[merry marsh]

Just had the same issue, if you restart your game and load a save then the command works. Weird bug

[solemn bison]

Yep

[mellow flame]

when i remove all LE moons and LE will that increas eload times speed

[zenith flax]

Said it in one or two places but communicating it here too, sorry for being late

My work and general thinking about LLL is on hold while the current situation is unresolved

apologies for any inconvenience

[soft hearth]

how does this work

i really don't understand the Restrict Dungeon Size Scaler value

what i'm guessing is setting it to 0 makes it between moon's interior size and maximum dungeon size
0.5 makes it minimum the maximum dungeon size and maximum the moon's interior size (???)
1 doesn't use the values above

[arctic matrix]

while it doesn't work the same as what's my understanding of the description, for me it seems to only properly limit the dungeon size when the Scaler is on 1.

if it's below 1 then the dungeon size can be higher than my maximum size limit

[soft hearth]

when Restrict Dungeon Size Scale is set to 1 it will ignore both values above and instead use the moon's interior size?

i don't understand for 0.5 and 0 and how they correlate to the two values above

[arctic matrix]

which is a straight up lie from my experience

[soft hearth]

oh?

welp now i'm even more lost .-.

[arctic matrix]

I tested 0 and 1 on a moon with 5x multiplier, when Scaler is set to 0 then the console says that moon is 5x size and flying around with noclip, the dungeon was actually enormous

and with scaler on 1 it says "overriding dungeon size to ..."

and the interior was smaller

[soft hearth]

;-;

[arctic matrix]

so if you set the Scaler to 1 then the maximum size limit will work properly

[lilac rock]

price is wrong

also would be nice to have options for 2 previews

personally I'd love to only have price + weather, difficulty is really nonsensical and random

[flint hollow]

devastation is always 850. but what mod are you using to have both show?

as far as i know. LLL only shows either price or weather but not both so far

whats that unknown

[topaz prism]

using all

[flint hollow]

it now has All?

[topaz prism]

Always had I think

[flint hollow]

i thought the sort function only had one

since i tried that before

oh now i remembered

i cant set only two

i was trying to hide the difficulty

[flint hollow]

yeah. it always had

[mortal ruin]

terminal formatter https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/TerminalFormatter/ hides difficulty but keeps weather and price

[lilac rock]

oh exactly what I wanted

is that compatible with LLL?

how do they interact with each other

or can you disable the moon feature from lll

[true void]

it requires LLL

[merry marsh]

I've been using ShowMoonPriceLLL, the only moon it has a problem with so far is Celest and Celestria. But I assume that is caused by LLL not the show price mod

[lilac rock]

damn that mod is so good

still seem to have an issue with devastation tho

[mortal ruin]

are you using v3 or v4 genericmoons? i think both of them suffer from that issue, being LE moons

i ended up just forcing devs actual price to 0 lol

[lilac rock]

v4

ok yeah it's not the only one, luigismansion that I just added also show 0

[slim wind]

are you using AC?

[lilac rock]

ac?

[slim wind]

AdvancedCompany

if you have version above 1.1.2 it doesn't work at all with LLL

[lilac rock]

oh no I don't

I wanted to use it for the in game cosmetics but it adds way too much aside it and causes a lot of conflict

such a shame

[slim wind]

ok, another possible conflict: are you using LethalExpansion, LECore or both?

[lilac rock]

both since I have a lot of modded planets

[slim wind]

cause ideally you want to use LECore only

[slim wind]

👆👆

[lilac rock]

so I want to uninstall all the planets using LE?

[slim wind]

disable LE manually (no matter how much mod manager yells at you)

[slim wind]

nooooo!

LECore takes over LE functions, but not overrides them completely (afaik)

so if you disable base LC the core version will pick up and work

and it has way better integration with LLL

this should resolve your issue with missing prices in menu

[lilac rock]

so if I do right button

it should theorically still work

[slim wind]

it should all work as before 😇

don't uninstall! 🥺

[lilac rock]

why? it's the same as disabling if I don't ever reenable it

[sullen coral]

True tbh

Though any time your moons update it'll reinstall

[slim wind]

it's better to disable it then uninstall, because it will auto-install with any moon update; by disabling it will never auto-enable

[slim wind]

👆👆

so you won't reinstall it by mistake

[lilac rock]

fair point

[sullen coral]

Imagine making good points

Couldn't be me

[slim wind]

😅

solving incompatibilities gang

[lilac rock]

:/

[mortal ruin]

does 1.1.3 actually have any issues w LLL? it doesnt seem like "the issues" happened until 1.1.4+

[zenith flax]

We hit 3 million downloads.
Thank you to everyone supporting LethalLevelLoader.

[spare pecan]

Thanks to you, you're helping so many people, allowing both modders and players to enjoy custom interiors and config options and so much more stuff that I couldn't even understand, always helping out people and trying to resolve the issues and incompatibilities as fast as possible

[warped pilot]

#1208849588539101294 message ive been dealing with dupes for quite some time now :/ anything i can do to stop it?

congrats on the downloads btw

[jovial linden]

just came here to also complain about the duping moons. any time anything about my modpack chnges, or even just any time i open and close the game a few times, the config gets FLOODED with duplicates of moons, which given im trying to write entirely custom loot/interior/enemy tables, resetting the config to clear them is not exactly an option

any chance of a setting in LLL to just like. not generate/add to a config if one is already present?

[zenith flax]

Issue is known, apologies for the inconvenience

[slim wind]

better safe than sorry

[mortal ruin]

valid. fwiw i havent had any issues.

[merry marsh]

I know you're on a little break from LLL but I was wondering if it would be possible to add a config setting to inject certain enemies into the spawning pool for specific interiors. Like making Shy Guy only spawn on SCPFoundation

[zenith flax]

its possible

not until this situation is resolved

[merry marsh]

Of course

[merry marsh]

This makes me excited tho, lots of modded enemies don't fit every interior so this could bring some awesome customization

[quiet epoch]

Why did my itemship land underground
It refers to the things drop from the itemship
It is placed underground

@zenith flax

[zenith flax]

.

[zenith flax]

so while saying that

@slim wind

[quiet epoch]

How to solve the problem of enemies piercing walls outside the planet, such as turret and Nutcracker

[sullen coral]

Meteor Shower and Tremors? o.o Wat Dat from

[merry marsh]

Was wondering the same, would love some good custom weather

[slim wind]

👀👀👀

oooh yeah

[alpine heart]

sneak peek

[mystic violet]

Is falling from the map, when entering a building is another known issues from LLL, or it's not LLL

[iron quiver]

Oh I’ve had that issue and I still haven’t figured it out

[arctic matrix]

that's interior desync

make sure everyone has the same configs by having people import the code

[zenith flax]

that shouldn't be relevant for that issue

its some lethal expansion thing i believe

[arctic matrix]

was gonna say, disable LE and install LE Core instead

I haven't had specifically interior desync ever with that

[slim wind]

I've had the same issue without LE/LECore in my modpack and with everyone having the same config present

[zenith flax]

yipee

its really weird cuz like

i didnt get any reports of this for the first week after the last update

afaik

it came up a tiny bit after that

[slim wind]

I've changed the configs of interiors, and it was displaying normally using simulate command

but for some reason only one player got massively desynced

so I assume it was a networking issue rather than a mod problem

but still - weird

[zenith flax]

the only way i can imagine it going wrong from what i know about lc and lll is if someone has disabled a dungeon in the config

[slim wind]

We've all imported the same modlist+config set, so I'm certain the configs were exact

[zenith flax]

I transpile out the basegame call to actually call the dungeon generation so if the network call died the dungeon shouldn’t exist

[slim wind]

iirc me (and everyone) got facility, but one friend got sewers, so it ain't that

I'm gonna check if I can get the screenshots from them

Could it be that LLL config conflicted somehow with mod's config?

but then LLL should sync it regardless 🤔

and simulate was showing everything in right amounts

[zenith flax]

oh

hm

there could be an issue with multiple dungeons in the same bundle loading in inconsistent orders

[slim wind]

what's even more interesting: we've disabled sewers completely in our modpack and they've got them lol

which means something must've gone super wrong

[slim wind]

oh, interesting

[zenith flax]

I should really be passing in the dungeonflow as a networkedvariable to avoid all edgecases tbh

[slim wind]

I'm gonna check if I can get the logs from that session, it would be helpful I imagine

[zenith flax]

Id need the log from the host and fucked client

w/ no adv, le or lecore

[slim wind]

i've sent you a dm 😇

[eager zephyr]

Are none of the custom enemies spawn on modded moons by default?

[strange trail]

nice, finally someone else discovers the same bug as me 🙃

[dim lily]

i think only ones that can are the ones with custom spawning rules then?

so peepers and shy guy

[strange trail]

no, nothing spawns thats modded
rolling giant, shockwave drone, shrimp

[dim lily]

im sure that shy guy and peepers spawn

[humble comet]

shyguy and peepers spawn on modded can confirm

[strange trail]

they do not, unless you use a mod to overwrite spawnrules or something

[dim lily]

i dont use anything

[eager zephyr]

I checked LLL's config, and all custom moons just have vanilla entities.

[dim lily]

i see, well those two should spawn cause they dont use configs or anything

[strange trail]

there's no correlation

[dim lily]

just saying that those two spawn on modded

[strange trail]

on le moons yes

[dim lily]

nope

on lll moons also

[strange trail]

LLL moons they dont

[dim lily]

they do

they have unique spawning rules

[eager zephyr]

Hmm, I do remember Peepers spawning on Triskelion. So you're probably right.

[dim lily]

so they're not in any way affected by that bug

[strange trail]

ig this wont ever be fixed then

[dim lily]

why is that

[eager zephyr]

Seems like it needs to be done from both sides? Entity mods providing some default from moons they don't specify for and LLL populating its config with those values.

[dim lily]

idk~1

[eager zephyr]

I'm OOTL on this tbh. Just came by after finding out that Walker doesn't spawn on custom moons. Adding him or others manually is a bit of a hassle.

[dim lily]

i guess everything that uses the vanilla spawning system doesnt

[eager zephyr]

He has same spawn weight on every moon though, so shouldn't be hard to "fix" him? Maybe I could bother Chaos about it.

[eager zephyr]

So both custom scrap and entities don't spawn on custom moons. And it seems like adding them to config doesn't fix it either.

[main ravine]

Oh hey Orca

[hallow saddle]

oh hello

[lilac rock]

I seem to have error with LLL lauching a map

[slender hatch]

That looks like what I have been trying to fix on my level for the past few days. looking at it again yours seems to be a problem with spawning fire exits and not turrets

I saw someone else also had this issue earlier last month but they didn't find any solution.
I found the issue at this point but the issue the issue doesn't make any sense.

If anyone else has this, here is what I found:
It happens in the round manager when it is placing turrets. For some reason when it is checking for valid objects to place in the RandomMapObjects it cannot match the turret prefab from the RandomMapObjects with the one in the selectable level. This results in an empty list that should contain items. It tries to find a random index between 0 and list length (0) and then accesses the index which results in this error. I have done printouts of both prefabs in the code and they are both the same object. Dispite that, when it calls contains on the array it does not find it.
Whats even more frustrating is that sometimes it works fine and spawns turrets in the level but 90% of the time it just breaks.

I have gone through everything I can think of to fix it but cant find any solution. If anyone ran into this and fixed it please let me know.
I think I found the solution. I forgot to delete Dungeon flow from the DungeonGenerator in my scene 🤦‍♂️

[main ravine]

So I have the template from Evaisa open and running in Unity now and I am trying to get the part done where I can get DunGen working, but I downloaded LLL and don't see it in the folder heirarchy. Is there a way to import it within my active project? I am hoping to get this setup so my friends and I can work on getting a custom Half Life interior working 🙂

[lilac rock]

not sure what you mean by dungeon flow, I'm not the creator neither am I modding

[crystal edge]

enter what i have been working on. simple spreadsheet that applies gradient scale formatting for easy visualization of weights and %, and a second sheet that spits out the corresponding string for the LLL config.

[eager zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/bellebows-tiktok-dog-funny-silly-gif-26293491

[crystal edge]

so far it works well for that, now i just need to verify how the specific custom enemies/scrap/moons/interiors configs look compared to the LLL config to see if all the configs mesh well

haven't gotten to doing the scrap yet cuz...its a lot of items xD

not sure if i can post the file here, not sure on server rules for uploading files and specifically i want @zenith flax's permission to post it here if it is allowed. full disclaimer, i WONT be including non LLL interiors/moons as i am trying to focus on just the LLL implementation for modpacks.

[merry marsh]

I made a spread sheet to help myself do the math faster but this is awesome!

I didn't realize this is for enemies, I did it for interiors lol

Oh it both lol I need to read better

[crystal edge]

This does the math, it's mostly accurate too. I went off of using 300 as the default for what the vanilla moons typically have, and it matched the % on the wiki perfectly. Only thing is for some reason the mansion pops up still despite getting 0, so that's something deep in vanilla i think. So you're generally getting within 1-2% for small weightings.

[crystal edge]

soon to be doing scrap as well!

currently i just have outside enemies set separately for night/day, but ill be implementing the full list of outside enemies for both day/night in case you want to spawn some spicy mobs in the day.

will this be necessary in the future? hopefully not, but i figured something like this could be useful for now

[merry marsh]

One thing I noticed with LLL, I think the moon enemy settings are overrides, @zenith flax can you confirm? If so you gotta have all enemies including modded ones for some interiors or they won't spawn, like rats in the bunker

I'm not sure if they are injection settings like with the interiors

I just avoided the enemy settings so far. I want a feature added to inject enemies into certain interiors that way you could have something like Shy Guy only spawn on SCPFoundation Interior

[crystal edge]

yea for now its based on moons, but it fits the essence of the modpack im running (imho)

• SCPinterior is guaranteed on secret labs
• Secret labs is the main hub of all doors/moons/lore/company
• All other moons connect to secret labs and have small chance to spawn SCPinterior
• Shyguy is guaranteed on secret labs, and has very small chance to spawn on other moons
• Scp uses company monster/entity to eat scrap that needs containment (lore)

[crystal edge]

some are, some aren't. peepers for example have their own spawning code that doesn't use power levels.

[zenith flax]

I’ll make a statement about the future of LethalLevelLoader and my other mods sometime today

[zenith flax]

#1214011134747738164 message

[sullen coral]

I really hope you feel better and are able to work things out in some way. My personal stances on everything aside, losing LLL would be a shame no matter how you slice it.

[solemn bison]

I'm having issues sometimes where the game stays on the "seed" screen when loading into a moon. To my understanding this means that DunGen got stuck; is there any way to determine what dungeon the game was trying to load and perhaps what got it stuck at that point?

If it's a specific dungeon that's failing to generate I'd like to just get rid of it.

[chrome notch]

i'm really sorry to hear that you've been going through this. i understand where you're coming from and wholeheartedly agree that this situation is not right. that being said, your tools are an incredible asset to this community and i hope you won't let one bad actor ruin all of the support you have garnered thus far. i hope this is able to be resolved in your favor, you deserve better than this

[slim wind]

Please don't get discouraged by one person's actions - there are so many more of us, people using and enjoying your work. I sincerly wish you the best, no matter the outcome 🥹

[crystal edge]

what moon have you been trying to get to, and do you have the log where that moon tries to load?

[mystic violet]

So you you have LE or LEC moons

[solemn bison]

I have both LEC and LLL moons

[mystic violet]

Many people are switching to LLL, don't give up now, we love and appreciate your hard work ❤️‍🔥

[solemn bison]

really the only think keeping LEC installed for me is Wesley's Moons, because they're generally high quality (albeit somewhat buggy)

[mystic violet]

Chek in the cmd game window when loading a moon, should show many reds if stuck on seed screen

Which moon stuck on seed

Do you remember

[solemn bison]

A few different ones but I believe it's happened on Polarus among other moons

[mystic violet]

I only use asteroid 13, infernis, gratar and atlantica, because for now are ok with LLL, and if the dungeon is more then scale 2, better do it between 1 and 2

Polarus and Acidir are giving me errors

Cosomocos too

[solemn bison]

I don't think I've ever had issues on Acidir actually

[mystic violet]

I always load there, but when I opened the game cmd, there was good amount of reds

[idle ravine]

Hate to bring things to this but if LLL goes I'll likely be pulling SCPCB foundation down as well, I've been tolerating AC and was going to go forward just supporting LLL and leaving any bugs/incompatibilities that might arise from AC specifically to that and not putting any of my time towards it, but if LLL goes obviously that doesn't leave many options besides going back to manually patching like I did before LLL existed which maybe I'll do but it'd inevitably lead to problems with the AC LLL copy that'd just be too troublesome to deal with as I have 0 desire to work with potatoe after observing his behaviour.

I've privated my GitHub repo for it till this all gets sorted just to make sure it isn't pulled under me, and will probably remain that way till things chill out, if they ever do chill.

[marsh shard]

Gosh man

AC should honestly probably just be pulled temporarily until the person running it gets off their god complex

[merry marsh]

I honestly don't know how someone so toxic is still on the website

[tall kindle]

#rules rule 11 is still in effect, please defer from being insulting

[idle ravine]

For the record this won't affect my assistance on Hadal, it's not my mod to do with and I'll respect whatever buck and rhen want to do

[inland jungle]

Don't suppose folks have found a fix for interior desyncs? Everyone involved has identical configs, etc. because it's straight up a copied duplicate of the same BepInEx folder for all players.

[crystal edge]

are there duplicate entries in the LLL config?

[inland jungle]

oh crap, I guess there are

[crystal edge]

yea that's usually the main thing i have found, deleting the config and running the game again should clear it

[inland jungle]

wiped it out and still happening, ugh

[topaz prism]

Does it happen with every interior or one in specific?

[inland jungle]

we're finding now that every player sees a different (but same moon) than the host where the host goes

they see the correct moon when landing but the interiors are desynched

it's only happening with LLL moons it seems

LECore moons work fine

[chrome notch]

i believe this is not related to custom interiors or custom moons, you can view https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208849588539101294 for more details but a LLL bug is causing configs to become duplicated and therefore desync from the host for some players

[inland jungle]

We deleted the config and distributed the same fresh config back to everyone with no duplicates in it

[merry marsh]

Are you using AC?

[chrome notch]

manually or through a code? if through a code then you may want to try manually syncing, i don't know if this will help but i figure it's worth a shot

[silent oak]

I am with the same issue

[final hedge]

This has been my experience as well, also on vanilla moons. On the occasion we were able to check the logs, it was office interior for host, bunker interior for both of the two 2 desynced players.

[waxen fog]

desync will be the death of me

[merry marsh]

My group has been having no problems with desync, moons are still duplicating in our LLL config but it seems to cause no issues, we just make new config each time rn. It's probably AC causing the problems, it's incompatible with LLL and I honestly recommend just removing it

[merry marsh]

^

I do not have AC installed obv

[crystal edge]

fwiw i am pretty sure the duplicates occur after adding a new moon to an existing modpack

[merry marsh]

It does, but it also happens after closing out of a game where you loaded a moon

at least it does for us most of the time

[crystal edge]

havent encountered that yet myself

[merry marsh]

Just did tonight for my group of three, all of us had duplicates

[crystal edge]

interesting, and they were all the same duplicates? were the duplicates present before sharing the modpack or did the same duplicates occur independently after the modpack was installed?

[merry marsh]

Don't know if they were the same duplicate moons but there were no duplicates before sharing the code and playing. We had 0 issues while playing

[true void]

I have AC installed and do not have desync

(obviously I am also deleting the config some times)

[merry marsh]

this is probably the fix for now

[marsh shard]

I'd not use advanced company.

[merry marsh]

Tho someone made a fork of LLL that might fix this issue on https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208849588539101294

[true void]

why?

[marsh shard]

Stated here

[true void]

oh so its just personal

[marsh shard]

Paraphrasing here but the developer is actively NOT working with the dev of LLL

[true void]

Look I dont support potatoe taking LLL

but as long as its still on thunderstore I will use it

[merry marsh]

Without getting to into it, I'd not trust anything from the mod maker on my computer

[true void]

isnt it source available now

you can see the changes he makes

[merry marsh]

Unless someone is manually checking the files everytime he updates it really doesn't make a difference, could still be nefarious code

[marsh shard]

It's just that desyncs WILL NOT be fixed with AC

[true void]

truly

[merry marsh]

That's also true

[marsh shard]

Due to stated reasons

[true void]

?

[crystal edge]

yea very interesting. i wonder what is the specific instance that triggers the creation of the dupes

[marsh shard]

Tldr: dev of AC is not helpful when it comes to fixing bugs with other mods and batby (LLL creator) will not be working with him at this time to fix any issues with desync

So just don't use AC rn just use another server expander

[true void]

he has already fixed some bugs in LLL

[true void]

yeah thats not why Im using AC

[marsh shard]

Have you read batby's statement at all

[true void]

Yes

[zenith flax]

I won't be working period.

[marsh shard]

I respect what you do batby it's unfortunate how people are sometimes though, please have a great break.

[crystal edge]

guys uh, maybe y'all could stop talking about why/what happened in this specific thread? i don't want to put words in @zenith flax's mouth but reading his statement gave me the impression he was overwhelmed/burntout from what happened.

[true void]

like I said before I dont support LLL being taken and being put into AC, but the mod works and currently doesnt have anything totally malicious so I will use it for now

[marsh shard]

Yes it's just I'm trying to get it in their head, No More Updates

[true void]

yep that is true

no more updates for LLL until AC is off thunderstore probably

AC will be updating it’s version though

[zenith flax]

AC will be removing it's version in the future.

[calm eagle]

Oh? That's a new development, isn't it?

[true void]

Oh well

[marsh shard]

Yeah there's been a TON of backlash I'm pretty sure

[zenith flax]

Might be publicly

[wild wing]

I like to hear that, wondering what happened in the background

[serene viper]

if im trying to customize scrap on a moon, can i just delete the scrap i dont want in the config or do i have to set everything to 0?

[eager zephyr]

Custom interiors is probably the most important part of LC modding, more than moons even. No amount of other mods are able to offset the repetitiveness of current vanilla interiors.

This stupid drama is getting tiring. I hope it gets resolved once and for all in your favour so we can all move on.

[serene viper]

wait did things get worse? @eager zephyr

[unique geode]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Refract/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/ @zenith flax just saw this was uploaded

[idle ravine]

looks like it's just an interim mod while batby is on break to fix the misc. issues immediately, has the same license and all so looks above board

[zenith flax]

Don’t like the icon but read the code and replied to the dev in #1208849588539101294

[unique geode]

Just wanted to make sure you were okay with it being uploaded and that it wasn't uploaded in bad faith or anything

A certain someone has already done enough damage x.x

[cunning pivot]

You really don't like this icon isn't it ?
Don't start me or i will start using comic sans

[unique geode]

They probably would have preferred you used a custom icon is my guess, rather than slapping fixed on the original one XD I could see a Purple version of the icon looking really cool for your fork

[muted wadi]

flip it and reverse the colors lmao

or make like a hyper-realistic version of it

[unique geode]

Btw @cunning pivot might be a good idea if you want to set the fork version you uploaded of LLL to be newer so that way Bepin prevents the original from waking until Batby pushes an update. Cus when mods that rely on it update they'll redownload the original LLL 👍

So maybe tell BepinEx for example that it's version 1.1.7

Or you could do something silly like make it be 1.1.700

[cunning pivot]

I mean, just disabling the original one is not enough ?

[unique geode]

True

I'll test if that works

Can confirm it seems to reenable itself @cunning pivot I disabled a mod that relies on LLL and reenabled it and it reenabled LLL, this also caused a save to corrupt on me cus I didn't realize it

Love the new icon btw

[mystic violet]

If I uninstall LLL, and just install the fixed version, is this way going to be fine

[unique geode]

Sure til a mod that relies on LLL updates and downloads LLL again 😬

[serene viper]

will lll settings carry over or do i have to go through and do them again?

@cunning pivot

also do u have a mod channel here?

[mystic violet]

And it will mess the fixed LLL config files

[serene viper]

so in the mean time im good to delete lll (temporarily) then use this new one just monitor when updating? but am i gonna have to re do configs?

[unique geode]

Probably, the live version of LLL has a bug that makes the config duplicate so you'll wanna regen the config

[serene viper]

so delete lll configs and let the new one generate?

[unique geode]

Yeah

[serene viper]

should of copied and pasted configs to notes 😦 time to manually do it all again XD

also question if enable lll on all moons if i dont edit the defaults are they pretty close to vanilla?

@unique geode @zenith flax

[eager zephyr]

Defaults are auto generated.

They're not necessarily vanilla, but what you get out of the box. They are vanilla if you have absolutely nothing else that modifies moons related stuff.

[serene viper]

thanks

[serene viper]

we sure this fork works?

[unique geode]

It does

[serene viper]

disregard error?

[vagrant sundial]

if its working its working. errors are a suggestion

[unique geode]

Yeah it's just doing that because the plugin name is different

[serene viper]

bet

[cunning pivot]

Mmh i wonder if i should rename the mod guid to the original one, as i said, didn't tested it a lot yet

[slim wind]

if the dependency is named as assembly metadata it will throw and not load (the GUID of a fork is different)

[cunning pivot]

Ok i will just rename back to fix this and add a minor version to the original one, so no more conflict with this

[slim wind]

you'll need to add some sort of a safeguard to prevent both LLLs from loading at the same time tho

[cunning pivot]

BepinEx doesn't already prevent loading the same assembly multiple times ?

[unique geode]

Yeah make it 1.1.7 or 1.1.700 so BepinEx recognizes yours as a newer version

[cunning pivot]

1.1.0.7 actually

[slim wind]

this is a problem with AC's "version": it changes the version, but doesn't prevent both from loading lol

[unique geode]

IAmBatby's current version is registered as 1.1.6 though

[slim wind]

so Bepinex says "cool, i'm not loading that one" and then does anyway

[cunning pivot]

F AC

Obviously it will cause problem if it does that x)

I will check want i can do, i don't want to set the version to 2.0, even if i could do it

[unique geode]

@slim wind you got a suggestion for the safeguard?

[primal holly]

couldn't u just downgrade to the 1.1.2 version of AC
i think all the subsequent updates are all about his LLL fork so u wouldnt miss anything else

[unique geode]

I wouldn't suggest using AC at all tbh

Or recommend it's use in this thread

[slim wind]

exactly 🙃

[unique geode]

Also 1.1.2 caused network lag for clients and other problems

[primal holly]

how is the state of late join syncing non-AC atm anyway

[unique geode]

LobbyControl is doing really good

If you pair it with TwoRadarMaps then you get 0 radar name desyncs

Cus zaggy is an amazing dev

[primal holly]

guess ill only be losing the perks then

is friendpatches still recommended?

also sorry for cluttering the thread, i can move somewhere else

[unique geode]

I've never gotten the unknown name issue so

Idk

[cunning pivot]

Just pushed a new version that force the LLL fork to be loaded even when AC is enabled (by having a bigger version) and also reverted the assembly metadata to the original one to avoid issue with mods that try to load it

[quiet epoch]

@unique geode

[unique geode]

Why are you pinging me?

[quiet epoch]

iI downloaded the LethalLevelLoaderFixed, but after creating the game and entering the ship, my screen jammed

[eager zephyr]

[cunning pivot]

[cunning pivot]

That's curious, i did not touched this part

Also i don't get that issue, can you send me your modpack so i can investigate ?

[quiet epoch]

I added too many things

maybe u can see it

[unique geode]

That happens currently if you use LLL and the fork together

1.0.2 of the fork will fix that

[quiet epoch]

When can I use it

[unique geode]

When it gets pushed in r2

Be patient

[quiet epoch]

Too bad the dungeons are out of sync

My friends and I got four different dungeons in one game

@unique geodeYour update saved my friends

[eager zephyr]

Lunxara is not the author.

[full harbor]

Thanks Lunxara for rewriting the entirety of LLL from scratch and also for making Lethal Company in the first place and founding the nation of Spain!!!

[thorny fog]

https://tenor.com/view/shes-a-superhero-without-a-cape-heroine-superhero-cape-gif-13073722

[cunning pivot]

Since i don't want to disturb this thread that isn't mine, i created a thread for the fixed version so you can report any issue you get with the fork :
#1214224631108608070 message
To respect original creator, please use this thread if you wanna talk about LLLFixed, thanks 🙂

[manic crater]

Spain was a fork from my original Kingdom of Castile

[weary apex]

has anyone experienced this?

[cunning pivot]

Yep, everytime i use the flashlight in spectate mode of "SpectateEnemies" mod

[weary apex]

I'm just testing out the new moon, and then this happens....

[vagrant sundial]

One of the creatures is stuck outside the navmesh.

[weary apex]

possibly bees

[vagrant sundial]

are your outside nodes on the ground and on the navmesh. You can hold ctrl+shift and move them to snap them to the ground

[weary apex]

thx

[royal yacht]

it seems the LLL falling through map glitch can be fixed by deleting the config before u start the game everytime

kinda weird fix but makes the game actually playable

[quiet epoch]

@royal yachtthe dungeons are out of sync,this problem can solve?

[royal yacht]

out of sync? maybe check which interior you and your friends have selected for the moon

im not sure if that issue gets fixed its diff from mine and i never got urs

[waxen fog]

@cunning pivot so I can’t use the fixed version of LLL since I use AC right?

ac will just override it?

[cunning pivot]

It may work, but for now the fix is not really stable, i'm working hard on it RN 🙂

[waxen fog]

got it thank you

[alpine heart]

is anyone getting stuck on "random seed" screen when landing on school moon with school interior sometimes?

[unique geode]

[quiet stream]

does ac work with lll?

[royal yacht]

i mean ac has a built in LLL

and the dev of LLLFixed says it disables ACs LLL

[quiet stream]

neato

[unique geode]

LLLFixed is better than the AC implementation for numerous reasons

[quiet stream]

sick

[royal yacht]

bro has a grudge against AC lol

[unique geode]

So do most people in this thread, did you not see the post Batby made regarding how they feel right now after everything happened?

[royal yacht]

yeah i saw but i usually im a very neutral dude i dont hold a lot of grudges

[unique geode]

I'm over the drama at this point, but doesn't mean LLLFixed still isn't better

It was uploaded with Batby's permission

[eager zephyr]

I don't care about people behind their creations most of the time myself, until their nasty side becomes to directly influence their creation in a negative way that is not really relaited to the core of the creation.

[lament nebula]

I’n not defending Potatoe here, but from an objective standpoint, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a superior product.

[royal yacht]

yeah i dont like how potatoe removed the mod from thunderstore and stuff also adding the LLL code was kind scummy

[unique geode]

Exactly

[eager zephyr]

It actually fixes issues and attempts to work with LLL. Unlike AC's LLL.

[royal yacht]

also last msg i aint discussing this anymore cuz the mods might get mad

[lament nebula]

First of all AC’s fork does fix things, but that’s besides the point. The reality is, that most people playing these mods don’t even know about the what’s going on between the devs, let alone the amount that actually care. I’m just curious what the objectively superior product is in their current states— AC’s LLL or LLLFixed.

[royal yacht]

well LLLFixed fixes a lot of issues regarding desyncs it seems. im not getting duplication of config entries when using it

which is the causer of falling through the map glitch

[lament nebula]

I don’t think I’ve heard of this outside of config desyncs

“I haven’t heard of this issue before”

immediately gets 👎 reacted

[royal yacht]

well after testing with my buddy rasmus it seems thats the causer another fix is mannualy deleting the config before starting the game everytime

[lament nebula]

Sorry I’ve been busy with my partner the past couple of days, I haven’t been keeping up with the server as much as I usually do

[eager zephyr]

I haven't had desync issues myself yet.

[royal yacht]

also when i say config i mean LLL config

[lament nebula]

Wasn’t saying it isn’t a thing, just that I haven’t heard of it yet and haven’t experienced it myself

[royal yacht]

with LLL or LLLFixed?

[zenith flax]

The thing LLLFixed fixes is a relevant issue.

[lament nebula]

What issue(s)?

iirc I tried to check earlier but I don’t think the page says what it fixes

[eager zephyr]

LLL

[royal yacht]

lucky. when i say i had i MEAN IT like ive had it happen 4 times in a row once

[lament nebula]

Oh geez

[royal yacht]

then went searching everywhere in this discord and found that its cuz of the config

also the falling through the map is only on clients

[eager zephyr]

I don't touch the config.

[lament nebula]

I’ve only had those kinds of issues happen when on different versions of the game, having different modlists, or having mismatched configs

[royal yacht]

you wont encounter any issues playing solo

[serene viper]

ive been trying to figure out the falling through map issue for so damn long thank u!

[eager zephyr]

I don't play solo.

I also don't use custom moons or anything LE.

[royal yacht]

well batby did say it was started due to LE conflicts with LLL

(from my memory)

[lament nebula]

Ahhh, I don’t use LE

So that’s probably why

[zenith flax]

was a false guess

the changes LLLFixed makes last time I saw them would be in LLL directly if it was currently recieving updates

[royal yacht]

well i see your tired from all of what happened its fine to take a break but please dont leave us cuz we need and love ur mod lol

[lament nebula]

So looking at the mod page it “might fix some issues on map desync that cause people to see differents moons on the monitor and cause client to generate the wrong interior map.” and “Also resolves the issue of configuration duplication”

So it looks like every version has different pros and cons atm

These issues sound pretty big though, so if you experience those, LLLFixed def sounds like it’s the way to go

Does LLLFixed work like MEOF does, where you can have both installed and the fork will just deactivate the main branch?

[royal yacht]

yes

[royal yacht]

this message indicates that

[lament nebula]

Rad

[quiet epoch]

[Warning: Unity Log] TerminalKeyword must be instantiated using the ScriptableObject.CreateInstance method instead of new TerminalKeyword.

Who has encountered this Warning before, do you know the solution?

[unique geode]

@cunning pivot there is an issue with LLLFix right now

Game soft locks when trying to land in multiplayer

on loading random seed

reverting to normal LLL fixed it

[cunning pivot]

Check https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1214224631108608070

Known issue

[unique geode]

Okay good

[serene viper]

so dont use this one for now?

@cunning pivot @unique geode

does previous version work

i have an in theory temp fix, let lllfixed build configs, then boot via lll after then u wont have double configs

[quiet epoch]

[Warning: BepInEx] Plugin [xxxxxxx……] targets a wrong version of BepInEx (5.4.22.0) and might not work until you update

who can help me solve this warning

[spiral siren]

that warning is never a problem from what I know, but you can download BepInEx from GitHub if you really want to upgrade it

[quiet epoch]

OK thanks

[unique geode]

Yeah it's easy, you download the latest x64 release and if you use a mod manager go to where your profile is stored and manually overwrite the files ^^

Honestly if you're worried about security I would recommend it just for that, 5.4.22 is more of a small release that patches some security issues

Idk why it's not on TS

[serene viper]

will an earlier version of lll fix the issue of desync by chance?

[safe flax]

there aren't any security issues resolved, just very minor bugs that this comunity doesn't seem to have even gotten near; though if you are on linux it fixed a bug with launch params which might fix something if you've got an error

[unique geode]

I will say in my testing where I manually updated it in a profile, the game felt like it launched a bit quicker lol

But yeah I didn't notice much else

XD

[quiet epoch]

How should I resolve this error? It repeats infinitely in my backend

[sage cradle]

is there known bugs that cause random players to desync dungeon type?

most players are within correct dungeon, but some fall through level and there's different dungeon loaded on their client

completely desynced with host and other players

no errors whatsoever

[sage cradle]

seems like "list" in dungeon configs doesn't work

sometimes

for random players

i have no idea why

i have more interiors restricted for march and offense, for example

but sometimes bunker spawn on non-suitable maps

for random players

and they fall through level

[cunning pivot]

@sage cradle You should check the logs of both client and host

Does it happend only on client ?

[sage cradle]

yes, on random clients

so like everyone is okay but 2-3 players

who desync and fall through map

and on different dungeon

[cunning pivot]

I published a fix for that specific bug that may help you, does it happen only on custom maps or also on vanilla ones ?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Refract/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/
(Sorry for the shameless plug)

[sage cradle]

custom

oh, you mean moons?

[cunning pivot]

yes

[sage cradle]

i have only vanilla moons

[cunning pivot]

Oh

[sage cradle]

but custom dungeons

i'll try that fix for sure

[sage cradle]

i have working theory that somehow mod manager failed to sync configs for some players from code (cause they was overwriting old profile by completely new profile), but that doesn't explain why it's always random players affected

sometimes one, sometimes two or three

i'll try the fix tomorrow anyway

[iron quiver]

I’ve had that issue for weeks and still can’t figure out what’s going on..

[sage cradle]

then it's sure worth a try to use fix mentioned before

unfortunately i can't test until tomorrow

my friends are already sleeping now

[warped pilot]

how well does lethalquantities config stuff fare with this?

will it overwrite LLL entity spawn configs?

or which has priority

[old pebble]

This has worked wonders for me so far

[quiet epoch]

@cunning pivotI have received a lot of errors about RuntimeNavMeshBuilder,Is this related to LLL?

[topaz prism]

Its not. Whoever did that custom moon/interior forgot to turn on the read/write property of some assets

[arctic matrix]

Wesley's moons do that a lot, and take extra long to load because of it apparently

[eager zephyr]

Wesley's Moons are using LE though.

[quiet stream]

this is common

usually happens when the host has a different configs for dungeon spawns

though syncing configs also didn't work for me, so you might just need csync? that might help? i am not sure

just speaking from experience

[sage cradle]

we have same configs, synced modpack from the code

[sage cradle]

i'm happy to report that we had 0 desyncs today with your fix

so looks like it's totally working

[mystic violet]

Even the weather

[merry marsh]

Can use WeatherTweaks by mrov to fix that

[mystic violet]

nice

[sage cradle]

i'm using weathertweaks as well, so i don't know

at least with weathertweaks it works

[mystic violet]

maybe i'll get it too

[thorny lance]

I installed scoopy-Scoopys_Variety_Mod but the moon isnt being shown in the terminal

plugins

Evaisa-HookGenPatcher is in the patchers folder as well

and this is what my configs look like

[glass hedge]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LethalLevelLoader.LevelManager.LogDayHistory () (at G:/Unity/LethalLevelLoader/LethalLevelLoader/Patches/LevelManager.cs:137)
LethalLevelLoader.Patches.DungeonGeneratorGenerate_Prefix (DunGen.DungeonGenerator __instance) (at G:/Unity/LethalLevelLoader/LethalLevelLoader/General/Patches.cs:304)
(wrapper dynamic-method) DunGen.DungeonGenerator.DMDDunGen.DungeonGenerator::Generate(DunGen.DungeonGenerator)
DunGen.RuntimeDungeon.Generate () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_002C)
LethalLevelLoader.Patches.InjectHostDungeonSizeSelection (RoundManager roundManager) (at G:/Unity/LethalLevelLoader/LethalLevelLoader/General/Patches.cs:354)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::GenerateNewFloor(RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.TrampolineRoundManager::GenerateNewFloor?-2116577424(RoundManager)
LethalLevelLoader.General.LethalLibPatches.Dungeon_GenerateNewFloor_Prefix (On.RoundManager+orig_GenerateNewFloor orig, RoundManager self) (at G:/Unity/LethalLevelLoader/LethalLevelLoader/General/LethalLibPatches.cs:27)
(wrapper dynamic-method) LethalLib.Modules.Dungeon.DMDLethalLib.Modules.Dungeon::RoundManager_GenerateNewFloor(On.RoundManager/orig_GenerateNewFloor,RoundManager)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.HookRoundManager::GenerateNewFloor?1649793708(RoundManager)
LethalLevelLoader.Patches.InjectHostDungeonFlowSelection () (at G:/Unity/LethalLevelLoader/LethalLevelLoader/General/Patches.cs:366)
(wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMDRoundManager::GenerateNewLevelClientRpc(RoundManager,int,int)
RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115.MoveNext () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_0076)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

that an error i got sometimes with my modded planet with an screen of random seed stuck on it can someone help me with that

[still urchin]

Hello, @glass hedge, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[drifting sable]

scoopys is an interior mod, not a moon mod. they will randomly appear in existing moons

[thorny lance]

o true

is there a way to increase the chance then? So I 100% get it on a certain moon

[eager zephyr]

Yes, in the config.

[cunning pivot]

CSync don't actually sync config by himself, it need the devs to use it to sync between players

[quiet epoch]

@true void Could you fix these Warnings from Piggy.LCOffice?

@mortal oyster Could you fix the error from Piggy.LCOffice?

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference.TryGet (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject& networkObject, Unity.Netcode.NetworkManager networkManager) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000)
BetterSprayPaint.Patches.LateUpdate (SprayPaintItem __instance, System.Single& ___sprayCanTank, System.Single& ___sprayCanShakeMeter, UnityEngine.AudioSource& ___sprayAudio, System.Boolean ___isSpraying) (at C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Lethal Company/projects/BetterSprayPaint/src/Patches.cs:49)
(wrapper dynamic-method) SprayPaintItem.DMDSprayPaintItem::LateUpdate(SprayPaintItem)

@mortal oyster Could you fix the error from BetterSprayPaint

[thorny lance]

worked, cheers

[young acorn]

how does LLL decide difficulty for sort difficulty?

[lament nebula]

Hazard rating— vanilla difficulty calculation based on several factors, like weather and spawn rates

[young acorn]

it's been confirmed it's not that, and that's set by the moon dev, not the game itself

[lament nebula]

That’s risk level

[slim wind]

#1193461151636398080 message

[young acorn]

oh

[lament nebula]

Risk level and Hazard rating are different

[young acorn]

i see

[young acorn]

well it's not that either

[lament nebula]

iirc an option to order by risk level (and potentially even edit the risk level?) is planned

I’m pretty sure it’s hazard level, iirc batby confirmed it to me bc I asked about it once

my memory is bad but I’m like 95% sure

Also off topic but your new icon is cool lol

[nimble umbra]

Since i've baked occlusion on my map, it started to load very slow during game

is there a way to solve it?

[zenith flax]

Slowly been getting ready to get back into dev

been spending a lil' bit of time in my gregtech new horizons world in the break

[lament nebula]

Whatever Shader you have looks amazing

[weary apex]

cool

[zenith flax]

managing burnout b hard frl

[slim wind]

🥺 🥺 🥺

[zenith flax]

twas bound to happen either way

[dim lily]

lookin shweet

got burnt out of lc myself and honestly have no idea what coop game to play now lol

[lament nebula]

LC has been my hyperfixation for like months now

Unfortunately the main person I play with refuses to download anything from Thunderstore/use r2

And my bf would play with me but 1) it runs horrifically on his pc and 2) he’s legally blind

[idle ravine]

I gotta get into Gregtech, I'm an automation nut but all my friends who play prefer just building or exploration and solo mc is hard to get motivated for

[rich aurora]

Speaking as someone with a trove of unfinished MC build projects, I can agree solo MC is hard to keep the motivation for

[spare bear]

Dev made gregtech moon confirmed?????

[oblique shore]

Hello, how can I add several fire exits to my interior? I only have one spawning at the moment and it's causing a number of problems.

[idle ravine]

Fire exit count is dictated by the moon

[oblique shore]

I know that. It’s just that in my interior only one fire exit always spawns, even if there are several of them on the moon, and when I try to enter unconnected exits the game writes that it is blocked.

[idle ravine]

The fire exit should be tied to a dungen prop with id 1231

[merry marsh]

You should make a dedicated channel in the mod-releases channel. Been looking for your interior on here for a bit

Would be helpful for people testing your mod / people helping you with it on here

[oblique shore]

maybe

[merry marsh]

Either way I'm looking forward to trying it out whenever you iron out the bugs. Been checking thunderstore to see if you fixed the crashes

[oblique shore]

i have this too

[idle ravine]

what's the setup you have for your fire exits currently?

like as a prefab

[zenith flax]

whats this

[crystal edge]

not an expert, and not familiar with unity occlusion processes, but wouldn't that effectively increase the amount of textures you would have to pull from? also, im pretty sure (but not 100% sure) that lethal company has dynamic lighting (flashlights being the primary example i can think of if im on the right track), so that will always add quite a bit to the rendering.

[nimble umbra]

Occlusion basically cuts everything from rendering what your camera doesnt see

But somehow it increased time to load my level

[crystal edge]

https://blog.unity.com/engine-platform/occlusion-culling-troubleshooting-unity-4-3

[topaz prism]

Can you show the global prop list at your flow too?

[topaz prism]

That's the issue then, put the max to a higher number!
LLL manages the max amount dynamically so if you put max at 99 LLL will detect how many fire exits are actually in that moon and adjust it accordingly

[oblique shore]

when I did this before, I had a problem with fire exits spawning on all blockers and being blocked. Maybe I was doing something wrong, thanks

[idle ravine]

I don't think that's quite right; I have SCP dungeon with 1/1 and it still gets adjusted

[topaz prism]

Oh really? In my case I had it 1-5 and moons with 6 or more fire exits had some blocked so I increased it and never happened again 🤔

[alpine heart]

anyone knows what this is?

i get spammed these errors when i land on this moon

[topaz prism]

Whoever did that custom moon/interior forgot to turn on the read/write property of some assets

[oblique shore]

i see that's mine, I'll try to fix that

[alpine heart]

you're razrab?

[oblique shore]

if you meant git, yep

[alpine heart]

yup. i see

[oblique shore]

despite this, setting the max value to 99 worked for me

[nimble umbra]

Hey @zenith flax
What is Content Source Name in extended level properties?

[zenith flax]

no this is meant to be 1-1

[topaz prism]

I will try to put it at 1-1 again and see how it goes but you can see how it didnt work to Mr and I 😅

[zenith flax]

using LECore at all?

or le

[topaz prism]

It was on a LE moon when it happened to me, yes
I have LECore

[zenith flax]

yeee they do some other fire exit stuff

messes my sauce up

having them higher than 1,1 might mean your dungeon makes more exits than the moon has

[nimble umbra]

:<

[topaz prism]

Right now LLL cuts down the amount of exits well 🤷

[zenith flax]

the name of your mod

[nimble umbra]

alright, thank you

[autumn turtle]

do not get into GTNH your life will not recover

talking from experience

[zenith flax]

I have a lot of complaints overall about GT:NH but its a very solid, structured way to get into gregtech. i'd disable one of the enemy mods that is bullshit though

[kindred bramble]

@cunning pivot

Crash on lever pull trying to land on moon.

[old pebble]

My friends and I loved playing Create for our modpack, built a custom pack around that

[oblique shore]

What could be causing the desync of custom scrap in multiplayer? This question is probably not for LLL, but Ganimedes had a similar problem.

[serene viper]

are we back to regular lll yet or should i still run fixed?

[eager zephyr]

Why? There was no update or anything.

[serene viper]

Just seen some chatter wasn't sure if I missed an update

[surreal rock]

Can anyone help? I want to test a custom dungeon I made, I got my . lethalbundle loading but I don't know how to make it spawn.

[topaz prism]

At the .dll you need to set up a way to give the custom interior a weight and which moons you want it to appear

[surreal rock]

How do I create the .dll? (sorry I'm kind of a noob at this 😅)

visual studio 🤦 just saw it nevermind

[fallow fern]

Really? I've heard NH is harder to get into than most
How do you feel about Nomifactory CEu out of curiosity?

[little maple]

depends on you IDE, but for example in visual studio at the center of the top bar there's a green triangular "Play" button which will compile your mod into a .dll

[main star]

Whats the difference between these two?

[gentle lark]

Not sure if this has been reported before but LLL creates multiple configs of the same custom moon when one of the mods is updated

[slim wind]

Sort sorts the list by a given criteria, filter hides entries

so if you sort by price, you see free moons first, the most expensive last

if you filter by price, all moons you cannot afford are hidden

[main star]

So if you filter by weather you get maps with no weather?

[slim wind]

exactly

[main star]

What about tag?

Anything with any tag is hidden?

Also curious how to get the terminal sorting to look like this currently mine is all jumbled next to the words and this overall looks nicer to read

[slim wind]

(absolutely shameless plug)
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/TerminalFormatter/

[slim wind]

i do not know how the tags work

[main star]

:)

[main star]

Completely unbelievable, (thank you) cannot believe you (you've been a great help) I can't believe you don't even know how tags work (I don't know how half this shit works)

[slim wind]

https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/wiki/Cross‐Mod-Compatability#vanilla-level-tags

wrong link oopsie

[main star]

Epic link fail

[slim wind]

smh

[main star]

Guessing it sorts via type? (Maybe???)

[slim wind]

i think if you filter by tag you hide levels having that tag (analogous to weather)

[main star]

Wonder if you can specify which tag or if its more like screw that tag in particular and its unchangeable which I doubt lol

[slim wind]

i think it's filter vanilla for vanilla tag

let me check rq

filtering by tag doesn't work at all for me

[main star]

Get filtered

[slim wind]

😟

[fleet badger]

ive installed moons Kast but it wont show on terminal

[fleet badger]

dont know why, all price are 0

[true void]

are you using AC

[fleet badger]

yes

[true void]

yeah

thats why

[fleet badger]

sad, i may give up to show the price then

[true void]

lethal quantities is better anyways

although I couldnt get that to work

[zenith flax]

yeah unfortunately due to advanced company taking my work without consent there's some issues, and we can't really support people who use it here
apologies for the inconvience

[true void]

hopefully when I get home itll work when I try downloading it again

[unique geode]

I just use CoilHeadSettings to adjust coil head power level tbh til an alternative for the AC settings and stuff comes out

MEOF for Masked spawning

[fleet badger]

what?? i didnt know that, thats bad

[unique geode]

Yeah I refuse to support AC

[zenith flax]

I agree, and it's unfortunate that it's not communicated with players. when you use advanced company it disables lethallevelloader and runs its own version of my mod

[slim wind]

hour ago

[zenith flax]

bad news

[slim wind]

it's uploaded as a separate mod now

[unique geode]

Which is both good and bad, bad in the sense he uploaded it, good in the sense noone will use it

I don't even see the point tbh

[fair dome]

lmao he stuck with the name in the end

[unique geode]

I mean are you surprised?

[primal dome]

interesting that he didnt use that name for the dll or the "mod" it self....

[slim wind]

so it's gonna have the same issues combined with normal one? 😐

[eager zephyr]

So those are still LLL?

[primal dome]

yep

well his build of it, but yeah

[slim wind]

this his how much has been changed:
https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/compare/main...FluffyFishGames:AdvancedLevelLoader:main

[primal dome]

i mean i would expect him to make changes but still

most of this just looks like restructuring anyway

[zenith flax]

its pretty soul crushing

[primal dome]

i can imagine 😦

[vapid jackal]

sorry for the @ but how did you get them to show up in Terminal, I am having the same issue where Wesleys moons are not showing up

[slim wind]

😭 😭 😭

in a month's time we'll all laugh at this point in time

[unique geode]

I hope so.

[slim wind]

but - since he uploaded his mod - it's now subjected to the guidelines

it's a matter of when, not if

[zenith flax]

balls in the staffs court now

if the vibe stays the same it's just better for me to work on standalone portfolio pieces than continue modding tbh

[primal dome]

thats entirely fair

[slim wind]

that's sad and understandable 😦

🤞 hoping for the best

[primal dome]

same

[little maple]

can't thunderstore do something against that?

[zenith flax]

Yes

[slim wind]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1213595603678797824

[little maple]

so has it been taken down?

advanced company