v2.6 Facility Meltdown

[quasi jay]

Could you give this a shot

@mossy jay dont rly wanna release unless it is tested

[mossy jay]

my powers having a moment might have to test it in a little bit

[lone elk]

@mossy jay @quasi jay Update is out does that mean Meltdown needs an update or good to go?

[quasi jay]

meltdown will need an update to its manifest

but if you just replace the dll it should work

[lone elk]

Sweet thank you ❤️

[mossy jay]

if you use a mod manager it's should get the latest anyway

[mossy jay]

I'll be doing a patch soon to re enable serving

syncing*

v2.2 FacilityMeltdown (FIXED)

[static fox]

yippep!

[sonic barn]

Is there a way to disable the explosions in facility meltdown mod?

[cloud tartan]

Theres a screenshake option in the .cfg if thats what you mean Tendo

[sonic barn]

@cloud tartanno i mean the actual small explosions that you can see all over that go crash bong bang all the time (id prefer no explosions)

[spring tartan]

Unfortunately no, only thing you can disable is screen shake and particle effects which im 70% sure doesn't disable explosions

Your welcome to test it though

[sonic barn]

@spring tartanyes i tried disabling both but still explosions all over, its mainly because they are so loud

that i want to disable them

[spring tartan]

Than there isn't a way to my knowledge

[mossy jay]

no

they are purely visual and will not damage you

[ancient bison]

I think it's the visual and auditory noise that bothers them rather than worrying they cause harm

As a hypersensitive autistic person myself I can understand

[spring tartan]

They make for funny clips though

[surreal escarp]

HAHAHAHAH

[fluid pine]

Even with latest update i still have the issue where its only the host that can see the apparatice, sometimes even the explosions effect and alarms ans all are only visible by host

anything to do? @mossy jay

[mossy jay]

what version of csync and facility meltdown age you on

[fluid pine]

tested yesterday so might be like 2.2, when csync was added as a dependency

yea sry when saying "latest update" was talking about the one that came out 02/04 like a bit more than 24h ago

[mossy jay]

💀

[fluid pine]

coudnt test or see if there is a new one out today

so i assume its fixed now

will test when i can

[robust wedge]

Is the lung/apparatus value a vanilla method? I don't see it in the LungProp class, Need ot know for the finishing touch on my mod @mossy jay

because I am trying to make a vanilla be + the apparatus value and not 80 so it has compact

[worldly pasture]

The Apparatus is registered as an Item and it just has the LungProp component instead of the physics prop component. I fixed my apparatus by making a new one calling it energycore and then registering all the item.asset info and both of the Energy Core and Energy Core Turned off prefabs

From what I know how meltdown mod works it just checks if is docked on the Lung Prop Component and Item info the triggers event when changed
Unless that is not how it works

[robust wedge]

yeah I made it so that its just a 80

I wonder if i can make it so that it uses the apparatus value from this mods config only if its installed?

[mossy jay]

it's not in lungprop it's in grabbaleobject under scrap value

[raw portal]

ever since i updated a bunch of your items have been spawning on my ship

[mossy jay]

that's not a meltdown problem

it's actually a base game problem

to keep it simple depending on the order mods load in items can be registered differently

[hollow crane]

every time you change/modify mods in any way it spawns modded items on your ship

[mossy jay]

it happened to me the other night while I was constantly restarting the lobby

it went from a oujia board to a wheel barrow to a diving auit

[robust wedge]

I tried that and the code returned a value of 0

[mossy jay]

it shouldn't

[robust wedge]

bizzare

[mossy jay]

yeah as long as you have a LungProp component and it has isLungDocked set to true when it spawns inside then facility meltdown will pick it up just fine

[somber prawn]

Does this mod change the spelling of apparatus to "apparatice"

Or is that a side effect of some other mod I have lying around

[mossy jay]

probably

the spelling of apparatus in the base game is also kinda inconsitent

oh wait like when you scan it? no

[somber prawn]

Yeah, when you scan it. Pretty weird, don't know what's doing that then

[crimson stump]

hey @mossy jay, how about adding meltdown chance to config, so sometimes it's easy walk in the park and sometimes you have to run for your life?

[mossy jay]

no

[crimson stump]

desync?

[mossy jay]

there will be no randomisation at all

it goes against the risk v reward of the mod

[crimson stump]

ah, okay

[cold iris]

Imagine if you could plug the apparatus back in to stop the meltdown lol

[oblique aspen]

Would it be possible for the geiger Counter to only give of the clicking sound when the red pointer starts moving?

[mossy jay]

no? geiger counters in real life are always clicking

[oblique aspen]

well yeah It would be still clikcing but not that much

It's clicking like crazy

This way you wouldn't have to look at it constantly and could also relay on the sound

[mossy jay]

well the facility has been abandoned for a long time so the nuclear reactor has already begun to leak some of its radioactive waste out

and plus its better feedback for players for when they turn it out they can immediately hear it doing something

thats the major reason

[oblique aspen]

Well I only use it by turning it on and off to notice a diffrence from the pointer anyway

because you cant realy on the sound

[winter olive]

How about adjusting reward(and maybe the amount of monsters spawned) depending on distance from entrance ? That would be non-random and would help balance the reward to the actual risk.
The feedback I got from my group is that it’s either too hard if the apparatus is buried inside the facility, or too easy if it’s close to the entrance.

[mossy jay]

that could be good, also id recommend using betterspraypaint with this mod it makes it so much more fun (espically when the apparatus is deeper) 🙏

[quasi jay]

How would it work with fire exits

But I do like the idea. Would be as simple as

float dist = Vector3.Distance(apparatus.position, exit.position)

then use that as a multiplier for the reward

[mossy jay]

yeah as a reward it would be better

but i also had another idea that would mean a new tile could generate in the facility where you could fire up a backup generator and juice up the apparatus even more

[quasi jay]

chance of instant explosion lmao

[stiff magnet]

i REALLY like this idea, especially with spraypaint, yea.

Awesome experience

[surreal escarp]

Is there a way you can make the reactor always appear deep in the facility?

[hollow crane]

it does ingame depending on what moon youre on

on experimentation it will spawn either kinda far or close

all other moons can do sort of close, and very far

and ranging in between

[surreal escarp]

That's why this mod should change that, make it always be in the deepest part, so it would always be very entertaining. In addition, a strategy would always have to be planned to get him out of the facilities safely.

the mansion leaves the mechanics useless

[idle elbow]

I wouldn't touch that honestly, it might kill the ability to get the reactor altogether on modded moons (or any moons that have a really long path to the ship/overall big dungeon size) if it's too far

or in very large dungeons

opposed to leaving it as is which would still give you opportunities sometimes

[uncut dust]

i think it would be kinda hard to implement it (without bugs) since its messing with the map generation based on a random seed

keeping it from the main entrance is one thing, keeping it from the randomly placed fire exit is the other thing

[worldly pasture]

@surreal escarp @hollow crane @idle elbow @uncut dust this mod wouldn't handle that that is dependent on the interior and flows by the dungeon generator
the bunker I have mine set to be deeper but some seeds slap it near entrance.
😂

[hollow crane]

i meant to say not the mod itself but the vanilla game

[uncut dust]

oh

[idle elbow]

well I've never had impossible escapes with the bunker so I'm gonna say you've done a great job haha

[worldly pasture]

Your all good was just trying to clarify about Dungeon stuff 👍
Yeah for early moons all set to middle or beginning

Probably could make a mod or patch that changes the one room to be deeper but there is 3 room types that has apparatus is in the factory

[robust wedge]

@mossy jay Yo how can I use you variable?

I have the mod referenced

trying to see if I can make it only be used if your mod is installed

[mossy jay]

it's internal so unless you publicize it you can't

I'd just recommend seeing why scrap value won't work

[robust wedge]

It was because it was counting it after the round ended and therefore it didn't exist, I just moved my method for finding the values of everything to be taken during the shipleave method so I didn't need to do anything specific to the lung

[mellow swift]

my friend still doesnt get any explosions or UI from the mod

[mossy jay]

logs and full mod list

[mellow swift]

im hosting btw

where are the logs located

[mossy jay]

are you using a mod loader

[mellow swift]

yes thunderstore

[mossy jay]

plus I've not had any reports for 24 hours so I don't it's a Meltdown issue

[mossy jay]

Under I think settings and locations you can get to the profile folder

from there the bepinex folder should contain your logs

your friends will need to do this as well

[mellow swift]

oh apparently they hadnt updated even though i had

will let you know if it comes back up but probably fine

[mossy jay]

I'm gonna lose it

/j

[mossy jay]

v2.2 FacilityMeltdown

its been a little bit gonna remove the fixed from the title

also planning for when i get an update out for https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1203132100396716154 to make meltdown much more resistant to errors (now that i know networking better from impostoramongus)

[cold iris]

Play on the Skeld map mod with Amogus mod, with Amogus suits mod.

[opaque fog]

anybody been experience sliding after taking apperatus core?

you literally slide...

[mossy jay]

no modslist + logs please

[opaque fog]

i dont have logs, but i can send modlist

018d82cc-a93e-2606-9bf9-076ae52c9d79

is there anyway to be able to get apperatus room to spawn near enterance?

ive tested this multiple times and everytime i have to go searching in the facility deep

[static fox]

no

[opaque fog]

i have reason to believe it's lethal radiation

possibly its config

[mossy jay]

💀

while thats probably not causing the issue its not recommended latecopmany

other than that i will need a log

because meltdown doesnt cause that

[opaque fog]

how do i collect logs?

[mossy jay]

go to settings then locations then profile folder

then in the bepinex folder should contain a log

[opaque fog]

i think i fixed it

it seems when with lethal radiation, the screen blur config if reaches somewhere over 0.24, you begin to slide...

how long does it take in real life time to pass an hour in lethal?

[mossy jay]

yeah if your using meltdown probably dont use lethal radiation

[pine sierra]

Hello Facility Meltdown Developer. I made a Korean translation for this mod. Could you please add it to the mod?
https://github.com/LoafOrc/FacilityMeltdown/pull/16

[quasi jay]

Epic. Make sure to check the translations tho

ok, they seem fine

no scary stuff

[pine sierra]

yay

Hey! What is CSync.Lib.SyncedEntry`1[System.Single] ?
Obviously, the <cooldown> string should appear here...

[quasi jay]

hmm, i dont think that should be in there

its the name of one of the config entry types

@mossy jay should I add a ToString method onto syncedentry?

[mossy jay]

well i probably just forgor to add .Value before it

[quasi jay]

1.0.8 will use an implicit operator so you will be able to just get rid of .Value (i think)

[mossy jay]

💀

[mossy jay]

ahh okay just makes more sense to me reading it if i have .Value there

[quasi jay]

yeah u still would be able to, its just a nicety

paired with a ToString override would be neat

[mossy jay]

ill have a look at it tommorow :3

[pine sierra]

Thank You!

[oblique aspen]

I don't know if this is just me or a known issue but there are some compatibility issues I'm having with LC_Office.
I can pull the generator just fine and all the cool stuff happens but the building never blows up, the terminal output for reactor is allways 120 seconds left and while also using lethal resonance, it plays both tracks at the same time(but that's not that bad).

[mossy jay]

logs and a full mod set

this most likely is a LC office issue but if the timer never goes down something is really wrong

[oblique aspen]

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[mossy jay]

alright thank you. I'll have to take a look at it in a while my internets out and I need to go to school soon

[pine sierra]

I forgot to tell you before, but you need FontPatcher to use Korean in ingame.
Without this, all Korean words will appear as □.

Of course, there are not many cases where players who want to use Korean do not use FontPatcher, but please write a warning to prepare for this.

[mossy jay]

@pine sierra working on getting it fully implemented now. thanks for translating meltdown!

korean will be available in v2.3

[mossy jay]

v2.3 also has a new feature which ensures desyncs can literally never happen. if ANY client for ANY reason fails to send a ready check (confirming they have recieved the meltdown request) it will not go ahead so we should never have a csync incident again :3

[static fox]

so if anyone fails to register the meltdown, it just doesn't happen?

[mossy jay]

yes it should only go ahead when all clients are ready for it to happen

should also help reduce on latency a bit

[static fox]

cool

[mossy jay]

v2.3

• Add Korean (FontPatcher is needed)
• Meltdown will now "silent fail" where if ANY client fails to start the meltdown then it will not go ahead. This ensures a desync can never happen, instead it will just not start.
• Clarified warning message that appears when you're missing a soft dependency.

v2.3 FacilityMeltdown

[quasi jay]

the csync incident

[runic light]

I was there.

I saw.

I witnessed.

[quasi jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[runic light]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-grief-sad-gif-13124139

[static fox]

seems that meltdown spawns bypass an enemy's max spawn count. the fiend should be only able to spawn once, but after initiating a meltdown i saw two of them

[runic light]

Sounds about right as it spawns more enemies, There are certain monsters you can block from spawning, not sure of it applies to custom though

[mint vale]

you can also make it not spawn any new monsters when the apparatus is removed as well

[static fox]

that's boring

[mint vale]

i agree but its the easiest solution

[runic light]

Make it spawn 50 sporelizards and watch me shrivel up

[mint vale]

well fastest

lol

[mint vale]

they just wanna chill tho

im tempted to make it spawn 10 masked

[runic light]

Nah, fuck those things

They yell, make a mess and stomp all over

[mint vale]

sounds like a typical pet

[runic light]

Before Savage Company: good spore lizard eating up power
After Savage Company: installs killableenemies to delete spore lizards

Peace has been restored

[mint vale]

wait you cant kill spore lizards normally?

[runic light]

No, it was patched in vanilla

[mint vale]

that would explain why my shotgun did nothing to it

[runic light]

Because..?

[runic light]

Killableenemies is working on a patch for that, no ETA as I only told them a few hours ago

[mint vale]

I dont see why we shouldnt be able to kill all the enemies tbh

[runic light]

Real

[mint vale]

sure make some like the dogs, giants, brackens, and jesters really hard

and especially the coilheads

[runic light]

I keep coil, giant and jester disabled purely because with AC, everyone would just 1 shot them

Well, 80% chance

[mint vale]

AC?

advance company?

[runic light]

Ye

Maxing strong arms out in perks gives 80% chance to 1 shot

It really does make the game more enjoyable

But since spore lizards have no death animation, they poof from existence

It's drop dead hilarious

[mint vale]

every run my buddys and i do is fairly vanilla ish

[runic light]

I put 100 hours into vanilla before touching modded

[mint vale]

the facility meltdown mod just makes me invalidate all other scrap around me

[runic light]

I got about 200 hours in modded

[mint vale]

i just grab whatever small items i see and then just yoink the apparatus and book it

[runic light]

You should try the modded experience sometime

[runic light]

Lmao

[mint vale]

i get yelled at everytime

[runic light]

Try to save for last

You're that guy

[mint vale]

ive pulled like 20 apparatus since installing the meltdown mod

[runic light]

I could see it
You're at appy in a cold sweat panicking whether or not to yoink it and you grab and GO

[mint vale]

met quota by gambling their value at the company as well quite a few times too

[runic light]

Yeah the gambling mod too much of a meme

[mint vale]

there is no panic about whether i should grab it or not

[runic light]

Oh no

[mint vale]

im just like "get this stuff to the ship now" and i wait for confirmation from either trasnmitter or walkie before yanking

im at least patient enough for that

[runic light]

Oh
I was thinking you see it and grab with no warning

[mint vale]

and if i get no response in like 2 minutes i just yoink

[static fox]

i hope you explode

[runic light]

Like some Neanderthal

[runic light]

This made me laugh aloud
Genuinely hilarious

[static fox]

if you're gonna disable anything other than puffers than keep the giants enabled they suck

[mint vale]

i legit wish there was a mod that you could dehydrate the slime and collect it in a jar or something as an item

[runic light]

You wouldn't want to join my lobbies then, your brethren wouldn't feel so good....

[runic light]

Yeah, they're very annoying with lethal escape
They camp the door

[mint vale]

jar of jelly lol

[runic light]

Despite not being able to leave

It's an uncommon issue but when it happens, it's like really

[mint vale]

ive one time gotten the appy to like 720+ in a single gamble and immediately sold it when quota was like 240

could have just sold appy for quota

[runic light]

Early quotas, I sell everything

Early game is best time to invest

[mint vale]

right?

minmax so boring

[runic light]

With LGU, that extra cash flow helps a lot
Plus I purposely go to moons with weather conditions to get the bonuses from them

So I'm making big money anyways
Doesn't stop us from dying any less

[mint vale]

lgu?

[runic light]

Late game upgrades

[mint vale]

oh that one

[runic light]

I missed this message
I got a mod called FairGiants that actually seems to be working very well on balancing them

Watching up to a giant and poofing it with a shovel would be hilarious

[mint vale]

lol

[runic light]

The only enemy that stands that is arguably just "broken" is dogs

Temperamental pieces of shit

[mint vale]

ive seen a masked try to fight a dog

it was the funniest thing ever

[runic light]

After doing some testing, I can confirm dogs will attack masked

I haven't tested if baboon hawks will attack masked or not

[mint vale]

i straight watched the mask crouch walk up to the dog and try to punch it

[mint vale]

ive seen that happen too

im gonna move to general cause i realize im flooding this channel a bit pointlessly

[static fox]

dogs won't go for masked on their own since they don't make noise, but dogs can definitely kill them

[static fox]

masked have no interactions with other enemies, they're either wandering or chasing you

[mint vale]

well it might be due to the masked overhaul mod

makes them behave more like players

[runic light]

Acktually

When masked run, they make noise

[mint vale]

that too

[static fox]

masked overhaul doesn't affect behavior at all, are you thinking of masked ai revamp?

[static fox]

aw man

[runic light]

I was using lethaldevmode and I spawned dogs and masked and just watched to see

I didn't move or aggro the dogs

It was silly

[mint vale]

i dont know what caused it cause i dont have ai revamp just overhaul

[static fox]

maybe they just wandered into the dog and it looked like it tried to attack it

[runic light]

I'm excited for future of AIrevamp

[torn solar]

use a boombox to make them friendly, them put them in a jar item

[torn solar]

dogs arent hard to do, but they take patience, something you usually don't have a lot of in a mission. i think they are perfectly fine as they are right now
bracken don't take as many hits, but they pose a much bigger threat (unless you have a shotty)
forest giants and jesters, imo, shouldnt be killable, neither should the ghost girl
imo, coilhads shouldnt be killable either. there are already a couple of ways to get around them (e.g. flashing)

if anything, the best you should be able to do is to disable enemies. for example, throw a cruzifix on a ghost girl, to deactivate her for a couple of minutes (and resetting the target)

[wild field]

Heya, enjoying this mod, is there any way to fix the 1/2 second frame drop when apparatus is pulled? I think the log gets spammed with "Failed to spawn effect, raycast failed."

[robust wedge]

bister bongo can you pwease add a config to make the apparatus value be multiplied by an amount each quota?

like people can do 1.1 or 1.25 etc so it still matters on later quotas

[worldly pasture]

This would be nice but in game it is hard codded to be 80 credits since it is not a random scrap spawn it is in the item it self set to 80 since it is the only one that spawns to a specific spot.

I think you would need to write a whole part of script that randomizes the value for later quotas

[robust wedge]

No?

There is a few ways to do it mathmatically

But there is the value in the config and you can have that be multiplied by that value and have it repeat the multiply for each quota so its 0 repeats on the first quota then it just adds more

Or it can be simplified to be done by the Apparatus value + (increased per quota * quota)

[worldly pasture]

Oh I didn't know there is a option in the meltdown mod I was just talking like the Apparatus item itself

[robust wedge]

nah it has config to override it

[worldly pasture]

You are correct it can be done

this i the apparatus is just set to 80 in here but i think you can jus thave it in cofig to modify that

which it is supposed to be modified by this but this only works if it is spawned random scrap spawner

[ancient bison]

In the FacilityMeltdown config there's an option to blacklist certain creatures from being able to spawn from the meltdown

[static fox]

that doesn't make it obsolete. completely denying a creature from spawning and having it spawn multiple more times than it should be able to are two different things

[ancient bison]

I'm aware, I'm just saying that this is an option so you don't see multiple of them. Sort of seems like something the creator of the fiend should look into, if it's important that there's only ever one of them

It's a solution to the problem of having multiple spawn, even if it does also mean it can't spawn via meltdown

[static fox]

i was just using fiend as an example, can probably happen with other things too

[ancient bison]

There aren't many creatures that can only spawn once though. Idk how Fiend or FacilityMeltdown handle spawning but I've never experienced a second Jester or a second Girl for example, so clearly it's not just a simple issue of it increasing the max number of individual creatures

[static fox]

eh. not easy to test since i'd have to blacklist everything except a one max spawn enemy

[ancient bison]

That doesn't sound so hard

[cedar basin]

actually

i did have multiple girl appearing during meltdown

probably better have her in the blacklist by default anyway

[ancient bison]

Oh interesting

Maybe it just ignores the caps

[wild field]

I've also had multiple Girl spawns, first time I approached her and they both ran off slightly offset to each other, 2nd time I didn't see any creatures but there were 2 Girl spawns in the log, I've blacklisted her, there's not enough time for her to be a threat but it did trip me out seeing her haha

[mossy jay]

meltdown 2.2 should have accounted for this. cant wait to find some zeekers ahh variable that doesn't do what its supposed to

[mossy jay]

only 20?

[cedar basin]

u mean those annoying log when u hug a hoarding bug ?

[mossy jay]

no multiple enemy types spawning when there should only be one

zeekers whole enemy spawning system is absolutely cooked

i bascially reimplemented the whole thing for meltdown so i could stop certain enemies from spawning

[cedar basin]

i was aiming to talk about the "ahh" part x_x

[mossy jay]

oh that's a base game thing yeah

it's out of scope for Meltdown to fix but there are a couple mods that do

[static fox]

zeekers code was not meant to be viewed by human eyes

[cedar basin]

oh so i was not wrong when i thought his scripts were all over the place ?

not the best organisation we have see

[mossy jay]

literally like 3 scripts control 80% of the game

[cedar basin]

charactercontrollerB or something and what are the others ? might as well know since imma get into modding

[mossy jay]

StartOfRound controls a lot of between moon logic. things like the ship. RoundManager handles on moon logic, things like generation. TimeOfDay idk even know at that point. and also some things are just on random places

[cedar basin]

i knew that is was odd that such a tiny gaem had so much scripts

thx

like we did a project on Unreal that goal was to have AAA standarts, and i think we had less

and i am not taking into account the Dissonance and Dungen ones

[past salmon]

The game should have more scripts (via inheritance) than less tbh

[cedar basin]

u mean OOP ?

[past salmon]

yee

[cedar basin]

still think that would had ended up being less if done right

[past salmon]

The amount of scripts ingame rn is pretty normal

[cedar basin]

idk, i had my experience and i really don't get as close as this for tiny project

tho...

i do prefer having script with more feature if i can

and i never did network

so idk

[past salmon]

What in basegame do you think shouldn’t be seperat?

[cedar basin]

ah shit need to ilspy up

like already i look at the bottom i see WhoopieCushionTrigger, probably could had a generic reusable class for ontrigger or oncollision stuff

and if i would had done it, i probably would had just make put it in the item class

but thats me liking to have stuff together

depending on the project, i may think about it being a good or bad idea

shouln't you be sleepin sir ? o-°

[mint vale]

well thats just the times ive found them and was able to assess an easy escape

been meaning to ask about how the geiger counter works tbh. i have stopped buying them because i dont understand them

[mossy jay]

counts geigs

and leads you to the apparatus

(and also the blob triggers it)

[mint vale]

i figured that but i never find the appy with the counter lol

[mossy jay]

planning to buff it soon ish

[mint vale]

it just leads me to my doom

[mystic plume]

Skill issue

[mint vale]

im sure it is lol

ive found more without the counter than ive died using it

[mystic plume]

(not that I actually use the counter either, usually I just stumble onto the room)

[cedar basin]

yea the geiger is not helping much in the current state i think (or maybe i am just using it wrong)

could use some user config also

[mossy jay]

wow that is a truly crazy number

[mossy jay]

never let me touch davinci resolve again bro 🙏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLJzXOs9ClQ

[ebon nimbus]

Epic

[mint vale]

i love that program on a decent editing rig

[late hound]

what can i say, mod is goated

[mossy jay]

MARKIPLIER PLAYED IT

HOYL SHTI

[uncut dust]

wait what

no way

[mossy jay]

https://youtu.be/4BFn2wVwGH8?t=757

[uncut dust]

WHAT

YEAH

12:10

what an honor

[hollow crane]

Oh my god

How bro has grown

Congratulations man

[cedar basin]

i mean... its not like you have the best gameplay type mod out there

ain't any youtuber doing multiple video on lethal gonna avoid this one

[mossy jay]

actually wild that my code has run on markipliers computer now

[ancient bison]

There's a direct link between the things you've done and the things he's experienced

[mint vale]

why does mark legit look like lord farquad in that video

[mystic plume]

Auditioning for Shrek 1 live action remake

[mint vale]

lol

[mystic plume]

"Hello everybody, my name is Lord Farquad and today, we're going to be playing a dating show to see which princess is right for us!"

[robust wedge]

I mean I've pulled like 10 but only got out with 3, I've been solo testing my modpack so usually I get greedy and die after pullint it

or even with friends like fucking 5 of them are just sitting in the ship crowding around the monior watching as I juke a spider and rolling giant for 3 minutes then grab the apparatus and almost get out but gets snared flead

[marsh loom]

i can ignore this right?

[mossy jay]

yes

it says not an error

also new favourite clip 🙏
https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/1UkYaJRk0MkPxZ/d1337iP5Szzt?invite=cr-MSxPTGssMzY5NDgzMjYs

[marsh loom]

ive been troubleshooting my mods that i just asked for anything ahaha

i cant find the issue on mine

[robust wedge]

jesus the peter griffin jumpscare

[marsh loom]

i keep getting the grabInvalidated: false thing

[mossy jay]

not meltdown

[marsh loom]

yep not meltdown

it looks like this

and i cant pin point which one is it

[mossy jay]

more company

[marsh loom]

i reinstalled it many times to the working version

something is colliding with it and i dont know which one

well im going to sleep for now and test it again later

checking one by one for more than 5 hours is making my eyes hurt

[mossy jay]

its not, more company is calling this function with a playerid of 99 and that causes it to try get the 100th player which obviously causes some issues

[marsh loom]

#1205611647750766602 i put my issue here. my head hurts from trying to add all the things i kinda liked

tho i definetly know its a mod conflict

i just dont know which from the ones i added last breaks it

[mossy jay]

its not unless the source uploaded to github is out of date more company itself is causing the problem

[marsh loom]

the 2 new versions are boke

broke

i rolled back to the somewhat working version

[quasi jay]

Wp

[serene raptor]

I have a question is there anyway to make the meltdown have a chance of happening

or does it work like that already

I'm a little confused lol

[mossy jay]

no

it will happen everytime

there is no option to make it a chance

[serene raptor]

aww poop

is that something you'd be willing to try? I know I'd enjoy the risk of grabbing the core wondering if it's going to set everything into meltdown mode

[unreal monolith]

Unless you could see the value of the apparatus to determine if it would cause a meltdown, it would remove a lot of the risk/reward aspect of the mod.

[mossy jay]

no

[serene raptor]

awwww

[serene raptor]

I guess I just like not knowing, like it's a gamble you know

that way it's unexpected and everyone starts freaking out

[mossy jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JajYy2Swmoc

if one of your friends just grab it its still pretty unexpected

[serene raptor]

ig so but we are usually talking on walkies

it's just we play a bit differently so I think having that option would make for more fun experiences

[mossy jay]

and this person's already asked for me to add it but adding onto this:
facility meltdown is fun because you know exactly what youre getting into when you pull it.
if it was a chance it just becomes a "oh ill pull it without any planning because theres a chance itll just work out for me"
facility meltdown is a mod that i really want to promote actually planning and communicating with your team before you pull it
then comes the problem of what should the apparataus value be? facilitymeltdown by default sets the apparataus to 240
how would it work if it was a chance? would it always be set to 240, so you just get the buffed value and do no extra work?
or would it stay at 80? and so if you had an extra mod that bypassed the apparatus value displaying as ??? then you would know that it wouldn't cause one

in short, theres a lot of gameplay balancing reasons why i won't be adding this as a feature
i know that most people don't touch the config, but it just goes completly against what facility meltdown as a mod
(me adding in the ability to change how long the meltdown lasted was strechting how much id make it customisable)

https://tenor.com/view/not-reading-allat-gif-11216013967469576578

[serene raptor]

im not saying it's not fun or trying to criticize or anything

I just know the people who I play with are silly and like to be team hurting sometimes for the sake of being funny

[mossy jay]

what i was eventually thinking of adding was making it so that at least 2 people had to be there to pull out the apparatus

[serene raptor]

that would be alot of extra work but i understand

I know if there was a chance option I would just even out the value of the apparatus

[unreal monolith]

this would be a sick feature and incentive planning with the team and searching for the apparatus as a group (or at the very least as 2).

[serene raptor]

and I know you perfectly crafted it to be a certain way I just thought it would be fun to have more customization options

and I know you said most people dont do configs and stuff but I've been going into every config file and customizing stuff for the pack Im making

[unreal monolith]

You could require two synchronized button presses to unlock the apparatus.

[mossy jay]

i could. but just checking if enough people are nearby gets basically the same result

[mystic plume]

If that becomes a thing please add a check that it's not a solo lobby

[serene raptor]

I just think that balancing is something that changes for every modpack so I'm not sure that's an accurate reasoning

[mossy jay]

it would be a slider that goes "up to x many people" so if you have less people it would require all of them,

[serene raptor]

unless your mod is designed to be by itself ig

[mystic plume]

Maybe for solo players it should take several seconds to pull out, like the ship lever.

[mossy jay]

this could be very doable

[mystic plume]

Kinda like a "are you SURE you want to do this?" as well as a chance to get brackened

If you aren't paying attention

[mossy jay]

i might even do it for nonsolo lobbies

that way if the mod has been added and players don't know (which is pretty funny), they could notice that somethings up

what i could do actually is have it take really long, and with each person nearby it speeds up

[mystic plume]

Ooh wait, what if the apparatus takes a really long time to pull but every player holding E halves the timer

yea that

[mossy jay]

well yeah, cause if anything else does any effects on the apparatus being taken, you probably won't be able to experience most of them

[serene raptor]

I wouldn't have had anything else interact with the apparatus

just like most players wouldn't I bet

I don't think there's any mods that change the apparatus interaction well like yours

I just figured giving people more non-default options could only make room for more options and fun

but it is a lot of work

[static fox]

probably shouldn't have it take too long though. would be annoying waiting a bit because you told your friend to go wait at the ship instead of staying with you

[mossy jay]

well id want the intended experience to be you have multiple people pull it but pulling it without your friends knowing is really fucking funny

itd probably be based on how many people are in the lobby

[robust wedge]

I just had a huge brain blast

There is a config to manually set the apparatus value but what if instead you can have it use the quota amount and multiply it by a configurable amount, so say 0.25 is a fourth of the current quota as value for the apparatus

This will keep it relevant in late game

[mossy jay]

i plan to make the apparatus worth more the further away it is from the main entrance

old vs new distance for apparatus to be picked up on the geiger counter, also increased the amount it radiates so should be a lot better

old had a 1 to 1 ratio between distance to radiation new one has a closer to 1.5 ratio so the geiger counter should return better results

for those who want concrete numbers here's the difference

[woven sable]

We need an epic apparatus pull cutscene, animated and all

Because I’m sure that would be very easy to make

[mossy jay]

yeah with triple AAA graphics

[mystic plume]

Also IK this is very minor mod compatibility but there's a thing with the lethal laser mod where you can blow up the apparatus by shooting it. This triggers the facility shutdown, but not the meltdown even when installed. They said they couldn't get the meltdown to trigger on their end because they had to recode the vanilla function or something, I was wondering if you would know how to look for removing the apparatus by other means than picking it up?

NP if you can't or don't want to, I just think it would be funny to miss the bracken, hit the machine and have an "OH F***" moment

[mossy jay]

ill look into it but cant gurantee

[mossy jay]

2

real

[mossy jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOEq8iJazo

[rare island]

Can the meltdown sequence be triggered by another mod? I'd like to try make a hullbreaker event out of it.
Also the 2 minutes meltdown.. is that a fixed 2 realtime minutes or does it scale with daylength?

[quasi jay]

[static fox]

that's me!

[robust wedge]

If it’s a multiplier then you can still have more than one determining it

[surreal escarp]

Does this mod not solve this glitch? or does anyone know how to solve it? everyone does this, it makes the mod not entertaining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4zBSb9PqM4

[wide patrol]

no the mod doesn't solve it

tbh, if the glitch makes the mod not fun to play with, why not just

not do it

[wide patrol]

i mean what's really stopping you from just escaping legit instead of using that?

[surreal escarp]

I don't use it, but most people I know it's the first thing they do. and well, the fun was gone.

[barren junco]

since when does that happen

😭

[woven sable]

Yeah this is the first I’m hearing about this. More importantly though why are you guys taking advantage of a glitch and complaining that it’s there and just not using it?

[mossy jay]

not atm, this'll probably be coming soonish considering a lot of mods want it;
also its 2 minutes realtime - i'll probably also soon add a display of the ingame time for when it happens but for now its only realtime

[rare island]

gotcha thanks!

[lone elk]

@mossy jay I know there was a faff to get this to work with MoreInteriors, would PoolRooms face the same fate?

[mossy jay]

I've got no clue

seems like LLL added some stuff that could help though

[lone elk]

Ah okay thank you. Was it just syncing issues in multiplayer by any chance?

[late hound]

depending on how rooms generate on the factory interior something might generate under the fall or right behind that space and perma-stuck you/kill you

so if people keep doing it, it'll eventually happen lmao

i've done this like... 10 or so times and 3 of those i got stuck lmaoo

[late hound]

i think they just can't convince their friends to stop doing it

[mystic plume]

Holy crap, I just pulled apparatus on a flooded map

I barely made it that time

I had to drop the apparatus, pull myself up the ladder, then grab it off the ground just as the ship started automatically leaving. One of the few close calls I've had so far

[ebon nimbus]

an option to make the red lights more would be nice

like the red lighst flashing will be way way more often

[mossy jay]

I've got a clip on auatralis where my friend wasn't going to make it back so I had to sprint out and sprint back

[mossy jay]

no

[wary seal]

Would be wicked if only the host needed this mod to make it work.

[mossy jay]

how would that work

and i am very much against the whole, "vanilla players join my lobby thinking its vanilla but i have funny hostside mods" and ruining the vanilla experience

[mystic lantern]

🤯

thats frickin sick

[idle crystal]

all of your friends are flipping losers!!!

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[idle crystal]

how to make it so that when i take the apparatus out it doenst melt down 😔

me no want melt down

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

[idle crystal]

bad mod dev not telling me what i want

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-dwayne-johnson-gif-26760138

[idle crystal]

HOW DO I TAKE THE MELTDOWN OUT OF THE MOD

[mossy jay]

so.. um... well.... you basically... yknow? its like you jsut

[mystic lantern]

so basically uninstall the mod

[idle crystal]

you are not bongo

i want to hear it from bongo himself

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[winged flicker]

how to meltdown?!?

[idle crystal]

what is meltondwn

?

[winged flicker]

facility what is?

[unborn heart]

Isnt that the entire point of this mod

[idle crystal]

i want to hear this from bongo himself

buddy

[mossy jay]

these are people i know, there being a little bit silly

[idle crystal]

nuh uh

i dont know you lil man

[winged flicker]

who are u

[idle crystal]

whats a bongo

[unborn heart]

Understandable

I have been bamboozled

[winged flicker]

do u know tryant?

[unborn heart]

i get this error during meltdown, but it seems nothing goes wrong when looking around

[mossy jay]

thats because i removed the fog and i didn't remove the fog scaling, that issue is fine

[unborn heart]

kk, just wanted to make sure

[winged flicker]

come on you should know this

[ebon nimbus]

Is it not possible?

[quasi jay]

@mossy jay CSync v1.0.8 is out. If anyone is experiencing desync issues give that a shot

[robust wedge]

mista borgo don't forgor that distance and quota multipliers can both apply

Its up to you if it should be added set values by a multiplier or just a raw multiplier, idk how you plan on doing the distance

[quasi jay]

bingo eepy

[odd wyvern]

Not again... (jk hope all works well lol)

[quasi jay]

[unique helm]

Hmm?

[static fox]

1: a mod made for the weak
2: what the fuck do you mean "change the xml file in the mod directory" just use a config file

[woven sable]

Somebody take this bad boy down😩 meltdown chance? Absolutely not @mossy jay

[quasi jay]

why would bro make a mod

just ask bongi

[mystic plume]

NO

Cowards

Skill issue

[mystic plume]

Bongo is very against meltdown chance iirc. For good reason

[hollow crane]

this is preposterous!!!

[mossy jay]

yeah lol it was 3am

[mossy jay]

why TF is it an xml

WAIT THE MLD DOESNT EVEM DO ANYTHING

that's fucking funny

they've tried to register it as a meltdown sequence effect, do the meltdown has already started even they try to cancel it

[unique helm]

Oof

[mystic plume]

The meltdown cannot be prevented. It will happen. You won't stop it.

Run.

I kinda wanna see how this looks with the office dungeon

[mossy jay]

looking at the code further, im like 80% sure this will just crash your game,

like your game will just freeze

[mystic plume]

The elevator you have to plug the apparatus in, going up in the midst of an exploding office building

[mossy jay]

lcoffice is still a tad bit buggy atm so be carefull if youre going to use it in a full run

[mystic plume]

Oh?

I only dealt with it once so far

[mossy jay]

completely goes against the risk vs reward of the mod

which is why i want this other mod taken down (+ it doesnt even work)

[mystic plume]

The risk v reward already exists. It's called "get tf back to the ship or your butt is ashes". No need for a SECOND risk reward factor

[daring cypress]

My shit is stinky

[mystic plume]

It won't be in about two minutes

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-meme-memes-reads-letter-gif-20713760

[mystic plume]

People who didn't know about the mod pulling out the apparatus:

I would also accept the scene of Mr Incredible running away from the computer after finding out Syndromes plan

[mossy jay]

no that was me reading those last 3 messages

[mystic plume]

I pulled the apparatus irl

[ebon nimbus]

how its just a visual change

[mossy jay]

oh i thought you were talking about having the meltdown be a chance on pull

no it would be way too easy if they flashed more

[ebon nimbus]

not really, it would mess you up cause there are more red lights

[mossy jay]

if you look at this old clip they flashed on and off for the same amount of time and it wasn't as exciting as having them come up shortly

[ebon nimbus]

no im not saying, for the red light for staying longer, I just mean it happens more often.So short burst of red lights

[late hound]

this is for cowards but people should be allowed to play however they want me thinks

also the fact it doesn't work is hilarious

[serene raptor]

i literally did the other day!!!!

[quasi jay]

But did you say pretty please

[serene raptor]

no lol

im not gonna force if they don't want to

[winged flicker]

How do i rip off this mod?

I'll call it factory disintegration

[mystic plume]

Weak

Incredibly mid

[woven sable]

Tbh I prefer more of a meltdown instead of a disintegration experience

[opaque fog]

@woven sable

[winged flicker]

Tough buddy

[mossy jay]

nah I'm gonna make a ted talk soon about why this is a horrible idea

[idle crystal]

mines called pully outy boom boom becuase you pull out something and it goes boom

[mossy jay]

your going to go boom boom okay hush up

[idle crystal]

okay dad 😔

[winged flicker]

This bongo guy seems like a loser

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

[bronze axle]

this bongo guy seems like a chad

[winged flicker]

hop off buddy 🙏🏼

[bronze axle]

this rusty guy seems like a

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[winged flicker]

fans gonna fan

[idle crystal]

YOU GOT HIM TTHERE

[winged flicker]

im going to cry now

[bronze axle]

sorry bro I didn't mean it bro

[winged flicker]

my dead dad called me bro

😢

[bronze axle]

(i'm his dead dad)

[winged flicker]

thats not cool

he died in the army

[bronze axle]

sorry

[mystic lantern]

rusty stop!!

you are polluting this thread

[winged flicker]

sorry 😨
i didnt mean to ...

[mossy jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqy3J5LF5M

[quasi jay]

Okay but where is ted

[mossy jay]

he couldn't talk 😔

[unborn heart]

how about a chance for it to meltdown randomly throughout the day lmao

(horrible idea)

[woven sable]

Loot bugs can take apparatuses I DEMAND it😩

[mystic plume]

Horrifying idea. I like it

[idle crystal]

make it so the apparatus is edible pls

[winged flicker]

of cause you want it edible!!!

[quasi jay]

https://tenor.com/view/uranium-fuel-rods-power-plant-workers-gif-25292733

[winged flicker]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1109421343319003196.png?size=160&name=Good one declan

[quasi jay]

[crystal wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[unreal monolith]

IM SORRY 😭

[mystic plume]

Game design 101 with Bongo

Also, maybe we should give them their random chance.

Make it a random chance the meltdown takes 60 seconds instead of 120 /j

[unreal monolith]

Make it a random chance to crash the game for giggles

[mossy jay]

I mean there is the mod that z definitely works

[wide carbon]

any moons/facilities mods that are known to be incompatible with meltdown? we haven't tried to add any new locations in favor of this mod

[wicked tapir]

I think MoreInteriors' bunker is so far the only facility mod that supports it

[ebon nimbus]

office too

[mossy jay]

no unless they mess up since pretty basic functions for the game to work then facility meltdown will be compatible

[mossy jay]

so you guys remember that meltdown chance mod right?

they updated and now it just has a chance to completly unpatch meltdown

so if you get that chance meltdown becomes lobotomized, because they don't undo what they did

yall think this is good enough?

[past salmon]

bro on a /n diet or smth

[woven sable]

personally I would prefer more of an "YOU HAVE INSTALLED THE MELTDOWN CHANCE MOD, THIS IS NOT HOW THIS WAS INTENDED. IF THE APPARATUS IS TOUCHED THE FACILITY WILL NO LONGER GIVE YOU 2 MINUTES BUT INSTEAD 0 SECONDS

[mossy jay]

i was thinking about changing what patcher i use just to screw them over but i think thats a little bit petty

[woven sable]

yeah it is, but touching the apparatus and instant evaporation is still hilarious

[mossy jay]

im probably also going to make an alert that pops up on the main menu

[woven sable]

tbh tho most mods that piggyback off of another one without directly utilizing it usually get almost no downloads

I feel like the only reason LR meltown did well is cause I already built a name with LR

[mossy jay]

if the meltdown chance author tries to circumvant these measures though i will just disable it or disable meltdown

[woven sable]

super reasonable, but I dislike that their actions have caused you to be distracted from working on new content or bug fixes and instead made you deal with this

[daring cypress]

"it's a good thing you guys aren't desigining ultrakill, or it would suck." - Hakita 2021

[mossy jay]

nah i just checked it when i was going home and the log isn't too hard

[unborn heart]

Hilariously petty

[mystic plume]

Seriously who tf thought a chance to meltdown was good game design in the first place?

[mossy jay]

its so that it "doesn't get boring during long play sessions" which is not a problem in the first place

[mystic plume]

You wasted time making a whole- what, 9 minute vid on this? You could have just said "it's boring"

[mossy jay]

i kept getting asked it and most of the time when i said "no" they would immediately respond why? so i made the video as a quick response back

[mystic plume]

True

But like. Either install the mod or dont

[mossy jay]

beefed up the warning a little bit

[mystic plume]

I can MAYBE see a random TIME LIMIT, but that reactor will go critical sooner or later. Even then it's like...

Not great..

[mossy jay]

the only way i could see something like this being added is the longer until you grab it, it reduces the time

but even then there's not a good way to communicate that

[mystic plume]

The mod is pretty heavily focused on two minutes

[serene raptor]

bro what is up with you

its not that deep

why are you obsessed by someone playing the game and your mod how they want, that's the whole point of modding

[mossy jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqy3J5LF5M

its a fucking stupid idea

[serene raptor]

so they aren't allowed because you think it's stupid?

[mossy jay]

i'm okay with the mod being up. i just want a notice on the readme that says it is not intended and isn't how i want you to play it

[serene raptor]

thats not your call bud

not against thunderstore

they even made it so by default its 100% chance

[mossy jay]

bro all that i've done is ask for them to add something to the readme and not circumvent the warnings. all that will change for the end user is that they need to click through a menu notifcation that says it's not intended

[serene raptor]

just chill and play the game your way and let others play it differently

[mossy jay]

i just want people to know that i am very against it, but i know that people will go against that.

[serene raptor]

its their first mod

they probably dont know how to do that

[mossy jay]

if they were in this discord i would ping them and let them know what i want

[serene raptor]

trust me we know

[mossy jay]

i know its their first mod, but the way their implementing it will cause issues in facility meltdown (if the chance happens that you don't get the meltdown it completly lobotomizes meltdown) so i need to add a warning

[serene raptor]

then you add a warning that says that

they don't owe that to you

[mossy jay]

that good enough for you? huh? clearly you know more about game design and modding than i do.

[serene raptor]

i never said that at all

you are just freaking out over nothing

someone made a mod to add a function they wanted

[mossy jay]

and im fine with that
what im not fine with is you calling me "obssesed" because i want something added to the readme

[serene raptor]

obviously you aren't because you are basically giving them a penance to atone for their sins

they did nothing wrong

so chill

and you literally made a video about it

that's obsessed to me

[mossy jay]

you clearly havent watched the video

i made it because people were asking me so often and i didn't want to have to keep repeating myself

@robust wedge i'll probably have this pretty low by default but there you go

[serene raptor]

🤦‍♂️

[serene raptor]

and when someone does it without bothering you, you freak out

just let people play the game

[mossy jay]

mate ive moved on okay? i want the mod dev to add a thing to the readme and you are continung to argue about why they shouldnt have to
i
dont
care

[serene raptor]

because they don't owe you anything

by making this mod you are going against zeekers idea for how the apparatus should be

you are literally doing the same thing

so just let people mod and have fun

[atomic vine]

ur obviously not fine with it cuz u made an entire video making a stink about it

isnt the point of mods just endless options and creativity just cuz u dont agree with the idea dosent mean the idea is stupid

[serene raptor]

exactly

[atomic vine]

you could argue adding goku to the game is stupid but its still something people enjoy

I think the idea that theres a small small chance

that it wouldnt explode would entice you cuz if not ud just bank on not grabbing the apparatus

[mossy jay]

please watch the video

i go indepth on why that doesn't work

this conversation does not need to continue any further

[atomic vine]

even if its impossible to code that in i dont understand the whole make a big stink about it shit if its just not possible

just say that

[mossy jay]

i want something added to the readme and to tell people i dont like it like that, and suddenly im the villan

[past salmon]

ye

[mossy jay]

adding on to this if zeekers told me he didn't like my mod i'd stop. like bro has genuinly made something amazing here and he clearly has more plans for it, i would not have started modding if it wasn't for this game. that guy wouldn't have made the mod if it wasn't for me.

[past salmon]

I mean this respectfully cuz your a cool dude but like

if that's the vibe i dunno if moddings for you

[mossy jay]

wdym? like if zeekers adds something to do with taking the apparatus out and the radiation theres no need for facilitymeltdown. i dont think its too far fetched either to respect their vision either?

[past salmon]

the vision is inherintly respected by the fact its just another mod

you can just like

not use it

[atomic vine]

thats sorta the magic of mods they are options to define the type of game you want they can be made around a certain theme or preference

or the experience you want to have

[serene raptor]

and bongo is just going crazy on a guy who just made another option

[mystic plume]

Ok yea, maybe I'm also being a little harsh on the concept of random chance meltdowns. It's stupid af but it is a separate mod.

[atomic vine]

i wouldnt say hes going crazy

im just saying

i dont see the problem with it

conceptually

[mossy jay]

yeah that is fair, but i think that lethal company is kind of being defined by its modding scene and a sense of "you aren't using x mod? why not?"

[mystic plume]

I'm having a bad day which isn't helping me be cohesive in the online internet forum

[mossy jay]

and thanks for actually bringing something useful to the table instead of just going "someone made a mod and he doesn't like it ohh nooo!!!!"

[past salmon]

In a modding community you either play nice with other mods or consume them by doing them better

[atomic vine]

like for example I dont use the mimic mod I just personally dont like being scared of exit doors I think its a amazing mod but i just opt out of it

[mystic plume]

Facility meltdown unchanged will likely and always should be the norm

[past salmon]

if people want random meltdowns and your not providing it someone else is going to

[mossy jay]

exactly, i think it being a seperate mod is okay. would i be marked as a contributor on another mod that extends my functionality

[serene raptor]

yup that's exactly what i said thanks

[mossy jay]

and thats fair enough. i don't really like the sound/model replacement mods but understand they can be pretty funny.

[mystic plume]

It's also kind of self-evident that the chance mod is NOT endorsed by the original creator I think. It's like... Thaumcraft minus Thaumcraft

It was made by somebody who didn't wanna spend an hour shuffling papers in their digital block game to unlock Senator Palpatine mode. I disagree, the TC research system is the BEST system I've seen any mod have

But that's mods

[mossy jay]

all i wanted to do was reinforce that, i wanted people to understand "okay this isn't how the mod creator wanted this, but i want to anyway".

[past salmon]

Yes but I mean this as respectfully as possible, no one cares that you dont want it

the fact it's not in your mod says enough

[native otter]

just play the uno reverse card and consume their mod via toggleable config option

[serene raptor]

if they download the other one they know its not the original mod

[mossy jay]

and that's where personally i disagree, but i understand where youre coming from

[mystic plume]

True, by downloading a mod to mod a mod you are agreeing to mod the mod

This nullifies any user complaints

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[mystic plume]

I meant user

Not dev

[serene raptor]

its true you just won't listen because you are frustrated

[mystic plume]

Like,don't bring your crash reports to bongo if you're already modding the mod. That's like posting mod bug reports on the actual LC discord

[serene raptor]

its the user who downloads the mod then another mod

they know it's not the base mod

[mystic plume]

And I will absolutely still clown on the mod

It barely even works lmao

Actually it doesn't

[mossy jay]

yeah the way they do it is.. rough to say the least (they literally unpatch everything from meltdown and don't repatch it)

[mossy jay]

it does now... once and then the second the meltdown doesn't occur once it can never happen again

[mystic plume]

I saw. That isn't what I'd call working

[serene raptor]

so that's a valid criticism

but you shouldn't try to overthrow someones mod because of a mistake

especially if it's their first mod

[mossy jay]

is me offering help overthrowing them?

[serene raptor]

but you literally made a whole video telling people not to ask about it

so why would they think you would help

[serene raptor]

whatever dude

[mossy jay]

in non-silly news, is there any more that could work here? you can now increase the apparatus value based on a percentage of the quota and its distance from the main entrance. i'd probably default all the other ones to 0 but more options here would be nice

@past salmon is there an easy way to get the 'tier' of a moon. like how experiment is tier 1 and titan is tier 3

[past salmon]

no

that's not something that like

exists

[mossy jay]

oh its just grouped that way in the terminal?

[past salmon]

its literally just a string

in a scriptableobject

hence why i had to kinda say fuck it and make pretty forceful changes to it

[mystic plume]

The tier system seems arbitrary anyway

[mystic plume]

Yea sure. Lategame moons are lategame. But why is Assurance better than offense?

[mossy jay]

ahh okay, just the whole "Vow:100,Titan:200" doesnt seem like the best option to me

[mossy jay]

that is cooked

[past salmon]

Assurance isn't better than Offense?

what are you looking to do bongo

[mossy jay]

i wanted to boost the apparatus on tier 3 moons, but maybe adding a config option for all moons would be better

but then i'd also need to support interiors probably

[past salmon]

first non level or dungeon mod dependant on LLL wen 😛

[past salmon]

this is a bad response imo,

so

why do you want that

[mossy jay]

yeah i wouldnt want a hard dependency on lll

[past salmon]

whats the problem your trying to solve

[mossy jay]

well it's more dangerous to get the apparatus on those higher moons

and i wanted to up the reward when the risk was upped

[past salmon]

and why is it more dangerous

[mystic plume]

More... Power?

[mossy jay]

more powerful eneimes? on average deeper in but i already have an option for that

ig using the power of the enemies spawned by the meltdown could work but i'd have to reorganise stuff a little

[past salmon]

👍

[mossy jay]

proof that the rubber ducky method works

[mystic plume]

Wut

[past salmon]

The kinda point here is the initial solution to the thing your trying to do is kind of arbitrary

once you refine the problem as much as possible you can start to work with what causes that problem

dont gotta check what moons are at the end of the list you gotta check what made zeekers put em there

[woven sable]

I take this as an attack 😭

[mossy jay]

i meant the meme ones

but even then i do like the base game sounds quite a bit

[woven sable]

Despite this though, I seriously don’t get why people are jumping down your throat. I don’t see mods modifying other people’s mods really. I mean it’s kind of something you made and I feel like you should have some freedom over who modifies your creation etc. anyone who is harassing him about this is honestly stepping over the line. He didn’t even request for it to be taken down or code against its use, only that he discouraged it. I feel like that’s already PLENTY fair, but hey maybe that’s just me🤷🏻‍♂️

[mossy jay]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-buzz-dab-me-up-dab-up-gif-26395273

[serene raptor]

and that's fine that he discourages it

but no extra steps need to be taken

like he wanted

[woven sable]

Which ones particularly?

[mossy jay]

i wanted something added to the readme and for them to reach out to me because it doesn't work properly

[serene raptor]

they don't have to reach out to you and why would they because you've been bashing the idea so much you made a whole video about it

[woven sable]

Seems fair to me, last thing I would want to deal with is people reporting issues that are caused by another mod latching into my code

[serene raptor]

they wouldn't

they installed the mod!!!

[woven sable]

Well tbh maybe you don’t understand because you haven’t made anything on here and don’t understand quite the experience involved especially with the community

[serene raptor]

i do

those people are dumb

[woven sable]

Dude, you would think so

[past salmon]

if you can't handle the community leave

[serene raptor]

just tell them that the mod attached is the issue

[past salmon]

gotta play ball if your entering the court

[serene raptor]

exactly

[mossy jay]

the amount of people who have reported to me an error that literally 2 lines under says "NOT AN ERROR" is mindboggling, but so is making anything online

[serene raptor]

a public mod is subject to other mods

[past salmon]

Then do something to not throw a super big error looking log

[serene raptor]

you are making your own problems

[past salmon]

if people aren't noticing the "not an error" sign then the solution isn't good enough for what your trying to solve

[serene raptor]

you literally wrote it!

[mossy jay]

yeah i removed it in my version rn, but i thought i was being clear enough

[woven sable]

I don’t think this is really the case, tbh if it goes against the mod creators wishes from the best of my knowledge his work is protected and he has the right to stop anything from latching into his mod or anything modifying it. Regardless of how you all feel it’s HIS mod

[mossy jay]

i do often forget that not everyone has written every line in the mod

[past salmon]

if it goes against the mod creators wishes from the best of my knowledge his work is protected and he has the right to stop anything from latching into his mod or anything modifying it. Regardless of how you all feel it’s HIS mod
nope

[serene raptor]

nope

[past salmon]

it's the oppisite

regardless of how you feel you can't do shit about it

[serene raptor]

its a public mod

[past salmon]

their not re-using Bongo's work

[mossy jay]

is this a good enough explantion (not me trying to bring this back on topic)

[woven sable]

I’m talking about him having the right to code against the integration

[serene raptor]

that's so petty

[mossy jay]

nah cant do anything about that, and i dont want to

[past salmon]

he has the right to code against the intergration but that looks very bad

[woven sable]

But this is your thread and I’ll leave it🤷🏻‍♂️

[past salmon]

and the other person can just unpatch it

[woven sable]

To you

[serene raptor]

bro you need to take a step back

and think

[woven sable]

I would appreciate if you let this conversation die as per the wishes of bongo

[serene raptor]

LOL

sounds good

and id appreciate you to not squander creative endeavors by other modders ☺️ thank you

[mystic lantern]

Your a femboy 🫵🤣

[late hound]

yeah

[late hound]

i was thinking this too. I'd prefer people to play how they want regardless if I myself think it's boring (a warning is fine though, but it's rlly not that deep, this channel has just been people complaining abt others wanting randomness for like 4 days straight lmao)

[robust wedge]

Thank you

[late hound]

oops this conversation was like 5 hours ago teehee

me when i sleep

[late hound]

THIS IS SICK

[noble flame]

I'm not sure if anyone else has ran into this issue, but it doesn't seem the apparatus value override is working for me

[mossy jay]

probably not was working for me two nights ago so probably a compatibility issue

[burnt spade]

Hi, I've had a complete hiatus from LC for the past week so I missed all the talk about the updates and what not. Just getting caught up now. What's the current compatibility status of this mod with LethalLevelLoader and custom interiors?

[native otter]

no problems for me right now

modpack with 81 mods

[burnt spade]

Awesome!

[serene raptor]

and?

[ancient bison]

Femboys are safe in this house

[mossy jay]

would there be anything else a mod would want to integrate with meltdown for?

[marsh loom]

can we have a special monster that laughs at you after it pulls the apparatus? the moment you spot it, it would look back at you and laugh then gets electrocuted after pulling the appartus o. o

Self Nuke

[hollow crane]

seems more like something added with diversity

and way too much effort for something that small

[marsh loom]

i mean. i had a bracken in the apparatus room in the bunker interior before after opening the door it was waiting there, so i closed it and locked the door with a key. it laughed at me. it cannot go out since it was one way.

[stable locust]

the fiend when it goes into its rage mode it chases you outside the building

[mossy jay]

oh yeah probably should make a better way for other mods to detect when a meltdown has happened

[stable locust]

because the problem is that the fiend goes into rage after apparatus has been taken and yknow not much to show

[mossy jay]

well i can't edit their code directly (way out of scope for meltdown) so theyd have to implement it on their end

[stable locust]

oh wait ur the dev

[mossy jay]

MeltdownAPI.RegisterMeltdownStartListener(modGUID, () => {
    // code when meltdown begins
});

aight just lobbed that in there

[stable locust]

bet

i wanna make a mod similar to this

[mossy jay]

new apparatus calculator in action

would also love if people could give this a try, got some things in there measuring the time it takes for meltdown to setup, tryna squash that lag spike when you grab the apparatus

you won't need to have your logs on debug

[quiet sentinel]

Any1 here have the issue where after turning off the geiger counter the first time then any time you turn it back on it just replaces the normal geiger clicks with 'on' clicks? Its 100% a mod conflict, was just hoping some1 knew something

[mossy jay]

idk it might just be meltdown, the geiger counter code is pretty cooked

[quiet sentinel]

I doesn't happen with just meltdown. R2 is just so slow its such a pain sifting through

[mossy jay]

yeah thats fair

[woven sable]

I still want loot bugs to be able to take the apparatus, they can’t open doors so to the best of my understanding they would only take it if you let them in or forgot and left the door open after discovering the apparatus room. This way it would basically be the players fault but spice it up more too

[mossy jay]

nuh uh

[woven sable]

Pain

[wooden fulcrum]

Does anyone know why none of the custom FacilityMeltdown music mods are working? I've looked at wikis and tried multiple different ones with no success.

[lyric solstice]

🤔

I'll try the one I made right now to confirm if this works on my friend group pack 👀

[ancient bison]

Have they ever worked for you?

[wooden fulcrum]

Nope never

[ancient bison]

1. Do you have PizzaTowerEscapeMusic installed
2. Have you edited the PizzaTowerEscapeMusic config

[lyric solstice]

3. Did you set the music volume in FacilityMeltdown's config to 0

[ancient bison]

That only affects the default music afaik

[lyric solstice]

Yeah but you need to set it to 0 to hear the custom meltdown music iirc

Unless that changed now then that'd be great if so 👀

[ancient bison]

I think they would overlap each other, which I imagine binder would have noticed

[wooden fulcrum]

I have PizzaTowerEscapeMusic installed and have put its volume at 2. I’ve also put FacilityMeltdown’s volume to 0

[lyric solstice]

I wondered in the past as to why my custom meltdown music was not working despite having done all the steps correctly

[ancient bison]

Is that all you changed in the PizzaTower config?

[lyric solstice]

Only to figure out that I left the default volume out from facilitymeltdown's config

[wooden fulcrum]

Yup

I’ve uninstalled and installed back every mod related to that

Deleted and generated new configs

Still not working

[ancient bison]

You need to set the script in the PizzaTower config manually

[wooden fulcrum]

oh? How do you do that

That would explain my issues lol

[lyric solstice]

are you just downloading custom meltdown music in thunderstore?

[wooden fulcrum]

Yeah

[wooden fulcrum]

I’m not setting my own (yet)

[lyric solstice]

oh in these cases then yeah you need to set them up like that

For my case, the one I made just replaced the default.json from pizzatower so i didn't need to edit anything

[ancient bison]

The big issue with that is, if you want to have multiple PizzaTower scripts and a mod keeps overwriting the config then it becomes difficult to ever install multiple PizzaTower mods. They should never overwrite the configs imo

(I made the scripts I'm using)

[wooden fulcrum]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Mari0no1/DoorsEscapeMusic/

This is the one I’m trying to use right now because my friends love that game

I thought it would overwrite the default config?

[ancient bison]

Nah it doesn't, and it shouldn't. If you look in the "Scripts" folder you'll see the names of the scripts, just make sure that in the PizzaTower config it has Scripts = Default,Apparatus

[digital kernel]

Sounds godly

[ancient bison]

With any audio mod using PizzaTower as a base you should always check the config yourself to see what scripts are being run and if they're all the ones you want

[lyric solstice]

Yeah in that case, it will be more complicated

[wooden fulcrum]

What’s its tag tho

[ancient bison]

Tag doesn't matter for getting it to work. Do you know where the PizzaTower config is?

[wooden fulcrum]

Yeah

[ancient bison]

In that, if it has Default,Apparatus in the Scripts it should work

[wooden fulcrum]

Ohhhh my god I am so dumb thank you

Why did I think default would also make the apparatus work

[ancient bison]

Nah Default has a bunch of logic in it and does the audio for the ship leaving early, Apparatus uses the Default logic with the tag

[wooden fulcrum]

yeah I completely forgot about the ship thing

[ancient bison]

All good, it should all work but let me know regardless

[wooden fulcrum]

Trying rn, thank you again!

[digital kernel]

Also do you like how I credited you in my Modpack or nah?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TheHorizonCreations/HideNSeek_Company/

Since you helped me with setting up the script mod you made

For Apparatus

[ancient bison]

Sure yeah, you didn't have to really but it's nice

[digital kernel]

Np 👍

[wooden fulcrum]

Oh hell yeah, this is way better than nothing

Sorry for my very visible panic attack

[stable locust]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/frostfv/Frostys_Fastest_Company/ is this a good mod

@woven sable is your mod able to be compatible with other sound mods

[stable locust]

how did you get this

[wooden fulcrum]

the music?

[stable locust]

not the music but the voice lines

ik its doors music right

[wooden fulcrum]

yea the guy who made this mod included the voice lines at the start of the song

[ancient bison]

The voicelines are integrated into the music file. If you look at the PizzaTower page there's a link somewhere to someone who made the voiceline part available to anyone that can just be added ontop of any music

[stable locust]

so its integrated into the doors escape music?

[ancient bison]

In that mod yeah