Scoopys Variety Mod (formerly LethalExtension)

[strong gust]

That or the main entrance is actually somewhere else but I have no clue where

[slow hemlock]

Yeah you’ll just have to do those 2 lines then you can pull the data from it

[strong gust]

I'm somewhat betting they did some model fuckery so the actual main looks like a fire exit from the outside and vice-versa, it's also one of the only LE maps I've seen that actually added a fake scan node (ie the fakeout main entrance) and adds flavor text to the scan nodes

[hallow totem]

Is there a way to get this dungeon to spawn on custom moons?

I’m pretty new to modding and don’t really know how to config mods

[strong gust]

Add the name of the moon as it appears in the catalogue in the config,
If you use Thunderstore App/r2modman, there's a dedicated spot that you can edit configs easily (run the game once with the mods enabled to generate the config file, then close the game)

[hallow totem]

Thx!

[strong gust]

I recommend using a mod manager like r2modman cause it makes it easier to manage mods, edit configs, and sync mod profiles with as simple as a code you can easily send to a friend

Just for reference, I did this to spawn Scoopy's interior map for the outdoor mod map "Atlas Abyss"

I recommend you also install LethalExpansionCore as that can help avoid incompatibility issues that's common between LethalLib/LLL and LethalExpansion maps

LethalExpansionCore also counters some of the reported bugs with LE maps such as:

• Indoor Enemies (such as Coils) not focusing on players that are not the host
• Lightning striking indoors

[fleet linden]

if you even have 1 typo at all it breaks all of it i think

so you need to test 1 level at a time

if you dont want to struggle making it work propperly

[nova lake]

typos shouldnt break things

@slow hemlock maybe can confirm

[fleet linden]

well it 100% did

Experimentation50,Offense50,Vow50,Assurance50,March50,Rend100,Dine100,Titan150,Kast999999,Taiga200,Aquatis150,Orion60,Bikini Bottom80,Auralis150,Castle Grounds150, this was my list i couldnt get it to work in Kast

i removed all

and only put Kast and it worked

maybe its because of the last ,

[nova lake]

too many 9s there boss

[fleet linden]

in Castle Grounds

[nova lake]

on kast

[fleet linden]

that works in the other one ?

[slow hemlock]

typos won't break my side of things

[fleet linden]

i copy pasted it over

[slow hemlock]

i do need to add some extra conditions to ensure all names are being matched correctly

[fleet linden]

this worked for me

[nova lake]

remove 1 9 and kast should work

[fleet linden]

wait i changed the 9s

[nova lake]

max rarity is 99999

[fleet linden]

but i had 9s

oh okay

but i was testing Kast with 300

[nova lake]

arbitrary value that i set tbh i should communicate it better

[fleet linden]

long before i put 99999 btw

so it def didnt work

maybe its because i had a , in the last entry

[nova lake]

that shouldnt affect it

[fleet linden]

no idea why it didnt work then

[nova lake]

if you can remove a 9 and try it and send console log output

[fleet linden]

ok

putting back the one that didnt work

but removed the 9s

[nova lake]

there will be two logs we can use to debug, one when the game starts to see if it registered the dungeon correctly, and one when the dungeon loads to see whether the dungeon flow was found

just set rarity to like 9999 to be safe

that should guarantee but run no risk of being invalid

[fleet linden]

instead of using 9999 can you make a different thing to type

as people will legit just spam 9999

what about -1

or +1

[nova lake]

i actually just realised 99999 wont work because i did > not >= hahahaha

[fleet linden]

hm

so what do i put

[nova lake]

9999

[fleet linden]

if this works i will be mega confused

[nova lake]

99998 would be the max because of my goof

will hotfix that though

[fleet linden]

because ive been doing tests for so long and it only worked after i remade config with only Kast and rend

[nova lake]

nevermind i cant read my own code i did do it right

and 99999 would be valid

but ill add a note in the config description to state that 99999 is the max

[fleet linden]

i dont think using 9s is the best idea

i feel like something easier could be done

to set to highest posible

like an alias symbol

[nova lake]

its a limitation of how the game implements rarities

[fleet linden]

ah okay

and you cant make like if value -1 = 9999 ?

just something thats easier to type for people who will struggle

[nova lake]

i could do something like that but might also be confusing

[timber basin]

I don't think there's any actual limitation (besides the int limit)

[fleet linden]

wtf it worked scoopy

i give up

[nova lake]

i just mean because its designed as a draw from a hat system

[fleet linden]

why did it not work before then

[nova lake]

the limitation on values is arbitrary by me, i could remove it though

[fleet linden]

i only had value at 300

and kept trying over and over

[nova lake]

could have got unlucky lol

[fleet linden]

max unlucky

good to know it works

[nova lake]

i think ill remove the limit on rarity values for future

that way if people spam 9s or whatever no chance of this happening, my implementation was pretty unclear

just dont put values above max int32 value (2,147,483,648) 🙂

[fleet linden]

ahhhhh

[potent drum]

okey scoopy

i have problem with your mod

Scoopys Variety Mod

how to set spawning interior

[nova lake]

bepinex/config/scoopysvarietymod

spawns by default with 50% chance on all vanilla moons

[potent drum]

yes, but this file is not creating

[nova lake]

have you run the game with the mod installed?

[potent drum]

yes

[nova lake]

send a screenshot of your bepinex/config folder pls

[nova lake]

thats very odd

did you install it correct? can you send another pic of your plugins folder

[nova lake]

looks like you have it installed twice

[potent drum]

yes

[nova lake]

i suspect that is the problem

[potent drum]

so i should delete folder ScoopyVarietyMod or delete ScoopysVarietyMod.ddl + scoopyvarietymod in plugins

[nova lake]

either should work, probably the ones in plugins

[potent drum]

but on the first i have only folder with your mod

[nova lake]

oh

i found the problem

you need to download the dependencies

[potent drum]

version?

[nova lake]

listed on the mod page

[potent drum]

that is dependecies

this 4 mod?

[potent drum]

okok

[nova lake]

that should fix it

[potent drum]

i checking

okey

it's work

but now where i can change spawing

you know in %

but now i didn't have list of moons

[potent drum]

it's not work

[nova lake]

ive never seen that issue

[tropic fog]

Neither have i

[potent drum]

wait i trying fix it

[potent drum]

some bugged is with that

when i installed all of these 4 dependecies

okey i clear all from plugins

now it's work

but i set

and this dungeon not working

[zenith vessel]

Use a mod manager.

[fleet linden]

Fr

Download r2modman on the thunderstore page its pinned auto setup game installs mods for you correctly easier config, shareable profile codes to give friends to have identical profile in seconds

[zenith vessel]

Most importantly it keeps mods out of the game's folder.

[potent drum]

okey but r2modman working on steam

i have crack

[zenith vessel]

You're on your own then.

[potent drum]

i think problem is with version of lethal

[static girder]

for sure i can't get the guaranteed castle dungeon option to work rn

its fine if i do atlas abyss300 it spawns sometimes but i want it to spawn every time and the guaranteed bool thingy isnt workin 😦

[crimson pilot]

rule 8 dude

[nova lake]

'Rarity values will override the default rarity value provided in CastleDungeonSpawnChance and will override CastleDungeonGuaranteed'

use abyss9999

ill make config more clear next version

[nova lake]

that is setting rarity to 13 on experimentation giving the dungeon approx 13/333 chance of spawning

[fleet linden]

he cant open the door @nova lake

[rustic pendant]

Pretty sure a lot of the mobs can’t open the doors

[coarse plinth]

Hoarding bugs can do it in vanilla, and that's quite the opposite a lot of mobs can do it

Bracken, Hoarding Bug, Thumper, Jester and Coil head are the mobs i can think of that are able to open/break doors

Thumper and Coil head might be the ones to break the doors but i'm not sure, i just know that doors aren't much of an obstacle for them

[rustic pendant]

I’m talking about in this mod

This dungeon

[coarse plinth]

Well i mean why would it change from vanilla? they're still doors

[rustic pendant]

🤷‍♂️

I just know it doesn’t work

[coarse plinth]

But alright i misunderstood you my bad

[rustic pendant]

No problem

[coarse plinth]

I've already seen a Bracken go through a door way on Scoopy some days ago tho, but that was before v47 of Lethal

[rustic pendant]

Some things I’ve seen that I can recall on the top of my head. Coil heads, spiders, hoarding bugs, can not open doors on scoopys

[zenith vessel]

Probably same reason DoorFix makes some enemies have hard time opening doors.

[coarse plinth]

I'll try to get a notice and take notes of mobs that ache with doors on Scoopy

[rustic pendant]

I know the rolling giant also can not open doors on this dungeon

though that’s a mod

[midnight ember]

bracken can but he sometimes just passes through the bars instead

overall bracken is pretty stupid on this dungeon

[coarse plinth]

⬆️ bracken heard that and will crunch you quick on your next mission 🦖

[midnight ember]

he already does cause he cant pathfind and always ends up camping hallways 😢

[blazing maple]

Hi, dungeon generation doesnt work with "wateridge" moon, i think its included in LethalExpansion mod. I have CastleDungeonMoons set on list, CastleDungeonMoonsList wateridge99999 or 300. Also have the same problem as Strzelec PL that list of moons doesnt show up ingame.

[midnight ember]

are you sure its the internal name? also might be case sensitive like scpdungeon

[blazing maple]

Just tried it on vanilla moons and it doenst work. Wateridge is ingame name for the moon but i cant seem to find a file to confirm the internal name, its maybe "oldseaport" cus thats the only filename that could be wateridge

[crimson pilot]

lethal expansion is incompatible with lethal level loader (any interior mods themselves too)

[opaque void]

gotta switch to lethal expansion core for that

[crimson pilot]

which Im pretty sure doesnt have waterridge

I dont use it tho

[opaque void]

yeah it doesnt but theres a mod that you can add which has wateridge by itself

[crimson pilot]

atlas abyss is a better castle map anyways tho

just download that..

[midnight ember]

you can check in logs for the name that is loaded

[midnight ember]

huh?

how is it incompatible?

[crimson pilot]

interiors dont work

[midnight ember]

they work fine

[blazing maple]

oh ok, do you have any idea if Orion and Aquatis would still work theyre dependant with LethalExpansion? dont mind giving up wateridge for this mod to work

[crimson pilot]

are you using core?

[midnight ember]

yes

[crimson pilot]

yeah thats not what Im talking about at all

[midnight ember]

ah ok

well you can get waterridge as a standalone map cant you?

[crimson pilot]

probably

other dude said so

[crimson pilot]

just use https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/jockie/LethalExpansionCore/

[strong gust]

I haven't seen any way to get Wateridge standalone, I don't think it was ever posted unlike Christmas Village

[midnight ember]

they should if you just use core

[opaque void]

I'm pretty sure I've seen it

[midnight ember]

i can vouch for secret labs working perfectly with both interior mods

[opaque void]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/a_random_guy/Wateridge/

[midnight ember]

the other moons should too

[strong gust]

Ah that makes sense, I never actively searched that out cause base Wateridge from LE didn't quite catch my interest

[opaque void]

yeah same I'm not using it either, just in case that dude wants it

[midnight ember]

as long the map has 1 fire exit everything should be fine

[coarse plinth]

Aquatis works perfectly with LECore

[strong gust]

Good to note for the future for those hesitant on adding LECore, believing they'd lose access to Wateridge

[coarse plinth]

I mean it's not such a big deal.. the mapping on Wateridge is... well.. minimal

no offense tho

[midnight ember]

yeah its kinda small

[coarse plinth]

I'll think about re-adding Wateridge when there's some more detail in it though

I'm using Atlas Abyss instead as replacement to keep the same amount of moons

[opaque void]

I think with LLL we'll see a ton of awesome new moons and interiors

[blazing maple]

If i unninstall LE it unninstalls both maps im using r2modman for the mods. if i try to reinstall it forces me to download LE

[midnight ember]

dont uninstall it

[coarse plinth]

Do not uninstall LE

[midnight ember]

LECore disables it on boot

[crimson pilot]

you dont need to uninstall le

[coarse plinth]

Keep it on top of LECore

[crimson pilot]

you just need to install lecore

[crimson pilot]

and some of the LE moons will be ported to LLL once it is more documented

[midnight ember]

if for some reason you want LE disabled you can turn it off and then download the moons (no reason to do that but thought i'd mention it)

[strong gust]

Ye it's okay to have both LE and LECore, if you use either of the mod managers you'll need to keep LE on anyway cause of how they handle dependencies

[midnight ember]

yeah, the mod managers would really hate to see you make choices by yourself

i think you can also edit the mod files to remove dependencies

[crimson pilot]

I think its just trying to be helpful to the.. less intelligent users

[strong gust]

LECore will disable LE when the game's loading up mods from starting the game soo

[midnight ember]

true, but it failed in the DUMBEST moment possible for me

i got LE back in the day, got a lot of desyncs and decided to disable it for the time being
then i got a couple of mods that had it as a dependency, was wondering why tf are all of them not working

turns out if you download mods dependent on something you turned off it wont turn it on automatically

but when deleting it everything goes into the bin lmao

[coarse plinth]

When i was making some debug and fix with Jockie, they told me to add LECore on top of LE when i asked if i needed to remove LE, so I think it's expected for LE and LECore to stick together, at least for now

True that this dependency is a bit strange, but, it works great anyway 🤷‍♂️

[midnight ember]

its just how thunderstore handles things

nothing you can do abt

[coarse plinth]

I'm not using mod managers anyway

[crimson pilot]

its because if a mod creator says a mod depends on Lethal Expansion, the mod manager will force you to also have that mod installed

[blazing maple]

Should have read the mod description😅 well doesnt matter im using a differend profile to test mods so shoulndt reset my settings

[crimson pilot]

and since Lethal Expansion Core is a different mod

it doesnt know that it has the same stuff

[strong gust]

I use r2modman cause I also use it for messing around with Risk of Rain 2 mods

[coarse plinth]

Yup that's important, even though half the modders doesn't add any kind of Installation description

I mean half the mods I used didn't, but that doesnt represent half the mods available, my bad

[zenith vessel]

Why would you need installation description? You press install with MM and it downloads and enables everything for you.

[coarse plinth]

Because i do not want to use mod managers 🤷‍♂️ simple

[strong gust]

They're doing manual installations

[zenith vessel]

Cringe.

No point in manual installs.

Like 0.

[coarse plinth]

Okay

[zenith vessel]

Enjoy wasting time. 🤷‍♂️

[coarse plinth]

Thank you

[strong gust]

I didn't mind manual at first when I was newer to modding, but the more mods you add, the more people you try to incorporate in your modded group, and the more configurations that are available for a particular mod, manual starts to become more and more of a nightmare

[zenith vessel]

Well, I'm not talking about modding in general. Different games have different approaches.

[coarse plinth]

Well i just handle my friends my whole BepInEx folder, so they got the same mods, same files and same config hah

I found it easier but i get what you mean

[zenith vessel]

In case of LC using a mod manager is the best approach. Anything else is either for pirated copies or someone just being stubborn. Simple as.

[coarse plinth]

Got a point but i'm used to install mods the way it used to be back in 2015 with Minecraft, same as ArmA 3 and DayZ, that's why I keep it manual, i've never transitioned either way

[mental jungle]

then its time to start

[coarse plinth]

Mhh I don't see why

[mental jungle]

my grandma could probably figuire out how to use a mod manager

[coarse plinth]

I'm comfortable making it manual that's it it's not a question of simple or complicated haha

[mental jungle]

its just better, multiple profiles. Way easier to install mods, and share mods. Easier to update.

and config

[coarse plinth]

I already know that

I know what is a mod manager

[blazing maple]

Still not generating the dungeon tho! Its probably some obivous mistake that i cant figure out. ill put a screenshot of the mods im using if there is any known conflicts

[silver stirrup]

The only problem with manual mod handling is updates, in the case of LC a lot of mods are being updated frequently with fixes and new versions, something like R2modman or thunderstore's app really helps with that

[midnight ember]

some people cant sleep at night knowing that someone somewhere doesnt use mod managers LMAO

[coarse plinth]

Fr

[zenith vessel]

No, I just think those people should be denied support straight up.

[mental jungle]

facts

[zenith vessel]

You want to make it harder for yourself and others for no reason? Enjoy it on your own.

[mental jungle]

new minority, "manual installation of mods users"

[strong gust]

I always more recommend the use of a mod manager cause of the streamlined process and can be more of a headache to troubleshoot

But I will say, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it. Why add in something to "fix" a problem that doesn't even exist in the first place?

[mental jungle]

Its ok if you never really heard of a mod manager or knew about one, but if you know its better, and still refuse. Than your straight being annoying

like having that one friend in the group, who you want to send a modpack to but they manual install because there to stubborn to use a modmanager, is just way to annoying. You have to manually send the indivudiual mods and configs. More work on both parts

[coarse plinth]

You two guys are just spreading pure negativity out here, I said nothing wrong about mod manager or any user using it

Why are you like almost trashtalking manual installation, lol

Damn

[crimson pilot]

manual install is pretty inconvinent for large groups to be fair

[coarse plinth]

Well good thing i'm playing with three friends used to minecraft modding

[zenith vessel]

Because 95% of the time people with issues on manual installs are either pirates or have issues because they are doing manual installs in the first place.

[midnight ember]

isnt it supposed to be moonlevel intead? like assurancelevel

ok it says its supposed to just be the name but worth checking

if it doesnt work

[blazing maple]

Ill try

[mental jungle]

the "im used to manual installations" sounds pretty cringe

[midnight ember]

i know that scpdungeon requires you to do that and is also case sensitive, but cant really vouch for Scoopy's being the same

[zenith vessel]

I don't know what you're trying to say. They have the game.

[mental jungle]

no I think its because u dont need the numbers

try doing all, and see if any spawn first

[mental jungle]

actually nvm u do, yea just try all, paid, or unpaid. Or

[blazing maple]

Trying rn

[mental jungle]

oh wait bro

I see

the numbers are for moons rarity only

just do the names for it to spawn on the planet

for example

titan,rend,offense

[crimson pilot]

you type the moon name and then put a number for its rarity

[proper raptor]

Some people are uncomfortable with a program modifying their game files for them. Some people like the higher fidelity that manual installations offer. Some people like the convenience of not having to use a third party when testing their mods. There are plenty of reasons to use manual installations.
Just because you don’t know how to manually install things doesn’t mean that it’s a useless process.

[royal narwhal]

yeah i am

[proper raptor]

This is a surprisingly common debate for how fundamentally stupid it is.

[royal narwhal]

i agree

[crimson pilot]

@proper raptor

oh

[proper raptor]

He’s already gone.

[blazing maple]

Ok, works perfectly when CastleDungeonSpawnChance "9999" and CastleDungeonMoons "all". Gonna try CastleDungeonSpawnChance "9999", CastleDungeonMoons "list" and CastleDungeonMoonsList "Experimentation, Atlas_Abyss, Vow" to see if the "list" function works and if it works on modded maps.

[zenith vessel]

r2 doesn't modify any game files.

Manual installation doesn't provide any "higher fidelity" in LC.

Just because you don’t know how to manually install things doesn’t mean that it’s a useless process.
Thanks for assuming something out of nothing.

[proper raptor]

🤷‍♀️

You seem to think it’s way more complex than it is.

[zenith vessel]

Another one.

[proper raptor]

You also get direct access to config files when manually installing.

[crimson pilot]

yeah I saw, sorry

the last time I checked he was still here

[zenith vessel]

You have with r2 too.

[proper raptor]

I think this one was a justified asseration, friend.

[zenith vessel]

Keep showing how much you know please. This is hilarious coming from a mod.

[midnight ember]

mmmmmm my glorified archive unpackers... mmmm

[proper raptor]

Lmao

[proper raptor]

Sorry, “modifying files that happen to be in the game folder.”

[zenith vessel]

It doesn't put any files in the game folder. Keep going.

[proper raptor]

I’m creature tbh

You can launch the game directly from steam and/or desktop shortcuts when manually installing mods.

[blazing maple]

Rarity? so like how rare it is to spawn the dungeon? Any ideas on how to make it so for example Atlas_Abyss has 100% dungeon, Experimentation has 25% and Vow has 15%

[proper raptor]

Instead of having to go through r2.

[zenith vessel]

You can do that with r2 too. Continue.

[proper raptor]

Now that’s interesting

I’d actually like to know how to do that

[zenith vessel]

In Help.

[proper raptor]

Neat

Though I feel like we’re getting a little off track

Calling for someone to be excluded from support because they prefer manual installation is not acceptable

I prefer using r2 personally

[zenith vessel]

It's just my opinion. I have no power here.

[proper raptor]

You have the power to say the words the say :)

[zenith vessel]

Not going to run around pointing fingers at manual install users everywhere they go. That's an even bigger waste of time.

[proper raptor]

The reason Im here is that users were getting uncomfortable with how you were talking to them about their manual installations.

[zenith vessel]

Didn't know there was more than one.

[proper raptor]

There was.

[mental jungle]

im getting uncomfortable with manual users here actually

(its a joke)

[zenith vessel]

Damn. I'm getting popular.

[proper raptor]

I wouldn’t test the mantra that “any publicity is good publicity”

[zenith vessel]

I was wondering when you'd get to the point.

[proper raptor]

No, I just think those people should be denied support straight up.

You want to make it harder for yourself and others for no reason? Enjoy it on your own.

The point is saying things like this to people needing assistance isn’t acceptable.

[zenith vessel]

I voiced my opinion and moved on. I can't control others continuing the discussion.

[proper raptor]

If I get a report again about this it won’t be a verbal warning.

End of story

Have a good one!

[zenith vessel]

Sorry for derailing a thread.

[silver stirrup]

Has anyone experienced turrets firing through walls? It's been a while since I last tested, not sure if that was fixed or not

[strong gust]

There was at least a recent patch to fix that said issue for spiral staircases, unsure of some of the other map geometry however if they're able to block

[blazing maple]

Looks like the "list" function doesnt work at all, neither does "modded" with CastleDungeonGuaranteed "true" or setting CastleDungeonSpawnChance to 300 or 9999

[strong gust]

Which maps are you trying to add for this for the sake of testing

[blazing maple]

Orion by sfDesat
Aquatis by sfDesat
Atlas_Abyss by Zingar

vanilla maps worked as long as i didnt try to use the "list" function

Tried "list" with vanilla maps and modded maps 1 at a time. And "modded" with those maps installed

[strong gust]

For Atlas Abyss, I tried it like this and got it to work:
Atlas Abyss99999,

I'll see if I can do all 3 in the list cause I've yet to try it out with those 2 maps

[blazing maple]

did you do "list" then Atlas Abyss99999

[strong gust]

Yeah

[blazing maple]

Strange, i tried a couple variatons of Atlas Abyss99999 (atlas_abyss, Atlas_Abyss, atlas abyss) and so on. Tried it with list and just modded without typing in Atlas Abyss

[west gull]

AtlasAbyss99999? Abyss99999? Atlas99999?

Not sure the name of it in code

the string scanning may only recognize one word moon names atm

[brave lodge]

Atlas Abyss99999 with list works for me

[blazing maple]

I just did a clean sweep of all mods and configs and got Aquatis99999 to work

I have no idea what caused the conflict but it still works after downloading all the same mods back

Im probably going delusional for trying to get this to work for the past 7h

[strong gust]

This worked for me to guarantee it on all modded you listed:
list
Atlas Abyss99999, Orion99999, Aquatis99999

Orion did hang for me for a lil bit but I suspect that's because it has a huge interior

Interior size 2.4

That's bigger than Titan, no wonder

[blazing maple]

Thank you helping me out.

[strong gust]

No problemo

[blazing maple]

1 quick question! do you know if the 99999 represent the probability for the dungeon to spawn? 0 = 0% 99999 = 100%

[crimson pilot]

supposedly 99999 is 99.999%

so basically 100%

[strong gust]

Ye for Orion's case, 300 is for mansion and prob 0 for complex
So setting Orion99999 on Scoopy's will give you a:
99999/100299 chance for it to be Scoopy's

[static girder]

alright

[mint folio]

is there a work around for the custom moons not showing due to lethallevelloader? and to make the dungeon appear in custom moons. because i wanna add this mod along with scpdungeon to modded moons lmao, love the dungeon a lot, really cool to treverse in

[blazing maple]

My problem with custom moons not showing was that i had LethalExpansion, change it to LethalExpansionCore. You can add Scoopys to custom moons but idk if u can add both scoopys and scpdungeon on the same moon. But hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can answer you, im still trying to figure this out myself.

[mint folio]

but what about moons like orion? it wont install without lethal expansion, so is there a way to bypass it so expansion core works instead?

[tardy flame]

i can't use my Spraypaint in the dungeon, like i can spray but it won't stick to walls or floors. not a huge dealbreaker, but Spraypaint is one of my main items so just putting it out there.

[mint folio]

like, if i uninstall base expansion, it forcibly uninstalls the moons, so is there a way for it to keep the moons?

[weak stratus]

i haven’t checked if anyone else has reported it but spiders are quite buggy and usually spin in circles by the vent they came out of

[strong gust]

Mod description page does list this as one of the current issues with the map

[tardy flame]

ah

[strong gust]

And enemy pathing is pretty fickle with the map atm

[strong gust]

If you use a mod loader (ex Thunderstore App/r2modman) it'll force you to have LethalExpansion since it's listed as a dependency

For the case of the mod loaders, you'll have to have both active on your profile for it to work. When the mods are loading in thru BepInEx, LECore will disable LE, so you won't need to worry about both running and bogging down your system

[mint folio]

thank you sm, imma try this rn

[crimson pilot]

there are only guitars, and cats, spawning in both interior mods (which are set only to modded moons)

Im going insane

[bronze prairie]

All you need tbh

[strong gust]

Hm, it sounds like that might be a bug with the most recent update with LECore

[crimson pilot]

it was hilarious tho

me and my friend turned a corner

guitar

turned another corner

guitar

it was mostly guitars

and we didnt know what was happening

[crimson pilot]

[sullen crescent]

Were you playing on a custom moon?

I'm getting only guitars if i'm playing on a custom moon

[crimson pilot]

yes

[sullen crescent]

Yea I don't think Scoopy's is compatible with modded moons

[crimson pilot]

i dont think its scoopys

since I also saw cats

from needycats

[midnight ember]

i had everything littered with fumos

i think its scoopys

[sullen crescent]

were you on a modded moon too?

[crimson pilot]

how would it be scoopys

[midnight ember]

yeah

but ig needs double checking with a normal interior

just to be sure

[crimson pilot]

it most definitely isnt scoopys

[sullen crescent]

i've been playtesting it today

i'm only getting this problem with scoopys enabled and on a modded moon

[crimson pilot]

maybe its scoopys

[midnight ember]

well ig you could also report that to https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1193705132081291275 as well

[sullen crescent]

I reported in the bug report thingy already, don't wanna flood everything

[midnight ember]

yeah, same thing happens for me..

[sullen crescent]

Guess I gotta choose between modded moons or scoopys

[slow hemlock]

you shouldnt have to

[midnight ember]

just turn off scoopys on modded for the time being

[slow hemlock]

i think certain scrap mods need to be updated

[sullen crescent]

setting the rarity of the weezer guitar to 0 in the config file doesn't do anything

i still get guitars all over the place on any custom moon

[sullen crescent]

wdym?

[crimson pilot]

I really dont think its scoopys

it just doesnt make sense

although Im not gonna test..

Im LAZY

[slow hemlock]

it should be working fine based on other reports, but i think Joakim (LEC) mentioned theirs a scrap issue resolved in the next update, aswell as lethallib related scrap mods needing a small update for v47

[midnight ember]

yk there's kinda a way to find that out

imma load up scp dungeon

[crimson pilot]

it also happened in the scp dungeon for me

cats and guitars

[midnight ember]

yeahhhhhhhh

not scoopys

def

having the same thing here

[crimson pilot]

Well

[sullen crescent]

so it's a custom dungeon thing then.........

[midnight ember]

that or LE

[sullen crescent]

yeah

[sullen crescent]

scp dungeon on a modded moon ?

[midnight ember]

yeah

it was moved to LLL like today or yesterday

cant remember

so all good

(except for the scrap)

[sullen crescent]

okay, so modded dungeons just have trouble with modded moons rn

[midnight ember]

that means i killed fumo mod for no reason huh

damn

just thought "damn thats a lot of fumo" and got rid of it...

[mint folio]

quick question, say i want scp dungeon and scoopys on custom moons, should i set the config to "all" for it to have a chance for all of em. or do i gotta do it manually, including the percent chance

[midnight ember]

i think all would work

they both have a weight setting

[mint folio]

thank you, ive been eating away at 50+ mods/configs for a modpack

it

is

p a i n

so thank god i dont gotta set a percentage chance for each one individually

[midnight ember]

nvm

its just modded moons

everything i see is modded scrap

[sullen crescent]

it's bigger than we thought...........

[mint folio]

its spreading

nowhere is safe from the C A T S

[crimson pilot]

i see all scrap (vanilla included) on facility dungeons atleast

havent been to a mansion/library

[sullen crescent]

wait, isn't tape a vanilla scrap?

[crimson pilot]

no

[midnight ember]

on modded moons?

[crimson pilot]

i misread

ignore..

[mint folio]

whats the tape from, ive seen it a few times

[midnight ember]

got me scared for a second haha

yeah no idea honestly

[mint folio]

it just appeared

i looked in configs for a lot of scrap mods i got, not a single one mentions tape

[crimson pilot]

idk

[mint folio]

so would this put the dungeon in modded moons as well,

[crimson pilot]

yes

[mint folio]

thank god

[static girder]

lethal expansion

[mint folio]

the tape has been located, thank you. i may rest easily

[uneven walrus]

Did this mod fix being able to spawn on march?

[empty coral]

Quick question for anybody in here, if they know. Are the custom moon names that get output in the logs by LE Core the right ones to use in the config? If not, is there an easy way to get a list of the internal names?

[fleet linden]

You can i played hrs with both working with 8-10 people

[granite flicker]

For Scoopy's mod the names in left quotations worked for me when setting a custom list. For instance I used "Hydro99999" in the list field as opposed to "Icebound Planet Mod99999"

to have the dungeon appear about 99.9% of the time on Hydro

[strong gust]

Hm, March still seems to sometimes hang when it comes to LECore + Scoopy's, even with March tagged as a planet to not have the modded dungen

It should be noted on my log, one run March did successfully go thru, the second didn't

[slow hemlock]

yup, fixed in patch coming today

my previous march fix had the "adding march" one if statement too deep

[strong gust]

Ah gotcha

At first I thought it was cause I reverted my LECore to 1.3.10 (to avoid the problems some folks were reporting about it being ONLY modded scrap)

[noble epoch]

how do i get this dungeon to spawn only on atlas abyss

?

[strong gust]

#1189848033110798346 message

Also download LethalExpansionCore to help with compatibility between the two

[noble epoch]

i have it

i have "atlas abyss" on castledungeonmoons, but its spawning on every map

[strong gust]

I linked a post from yesterday(?) that SHOULD only give you castle dungeon on Atlas Abyss

If CastleDungeonGuaranteed is set to true, set it to false

[noble epoch]

i think i did it thank u

[noble epoch]

i copied that settings

[strong gust]

Yeah give it a shot then and tell me if it works

[noble epoch]

yap, it was on true

for the scp dungeon its the same? or its working just as usual

[strong gust]

I haven't messed with the SCP one so unsure

[noble epoch]

setting it to guaranteed and "secret labs" on the moons list

[strong gust]

But I imagine it is similar

Try something like:
list
Secret Labs99999,
false

[noble epoch]

its working thank uuu! now im trying the sco dungeon

yap cant fix the scp one

[strong gust]

Again I haven't messed with the SCP one so unsure of how the semantics are, but I imagine some variation of Secret Labs or secretlabs might be the trick

[midnight ember]

Secret Labs works rn

Case sensitive due to a bug

Will get patched in the next update

[noble epoch]

yap just found it on the mod post

thats a strange bug

but thank u everyone

[static girder]

scoopy im also having a really hard time getting your dungeon to spawn 100% of the time in one place

i tried Astral Abyss9999 and it didn't generate your dungeon

but Astral Abyss300 worked

[strong gust]

Astral Abyss?

[steep egret]

yo quick question, its not possible to use all for CastleDungeonMoons but then add like experimentation0 to exclude some map to spawn the dungeon right?

cause rn most of the modded moons don't provide internal names, so it suck that if you want to specify spawn chance PER planet, you have to disable it totally from moons that you dont have the names (by using list in CastleDungeonMoons)

[timber basin]

The ability to tweak base moon odds would be a pretty nifty feature, if batby is able to get around to it

[slow hemlock]

in the todo

i'll also have a float in LLL that lets you scale down vanilla dungeon odds if a custom dungeon has a chance

so on vanilla levels it's unchanged but on levels where you can get a custom dungeon all the vanilla ones have less chance

[steep egret]

i find that its cool to still be able to have chance for custom dungeon AND vanilla, it makes it more refreshing and always unpredictible

[steep egret]

and i wasnt talking specifically about vanilla moons, but like lets say i want to be able to spawn SCP interiors on every modded moons (especially the ones that i don't have their internal names) but also still be able to say that it will spawn 100% on scp factory, AND 0% percent on Peach castle for exemple

[slow hemlock]

yeah LLL supports that

[steep egret]

and still being able to spawn scp with FoundationRarity on every modded moons without ahving their names

[slow hemlock]

you can add rarity per level

or rarity if its custom

[steep egret]

yea but you haveto know the moons names thats the whole point

[slow hemlock]

.

[steep egret]

i think i dont get this

[slow hemlock]

LLL supports the ability to config the dungeon so if the currentlevel is a custom level, use x rarity

[steep egret]

yea but x is the name of the moon right?

[slow hemlock]

no

if (currentLevel.isCustom)
currentLevel.possibledungeons(SCPDungeon, [raritry of your choice])

[timber basin]

It's a feature of LLL but I don't think either of us have it as a config option yet

[slow hemlock]

and i don't think any of the current moons would work

but it is a thing

[steep egret]

oh so you will be able to do this and use a global sspawn chance for modded moons, AND also at the same time use FoundationMoonsList with like "Secret lab9999, experimentation0" ?

[slow hemlock]

yup 😄

[steep egret]

thats all iam asking for, you guys make insane work btw

[slow hemlock]

you can also do it based on map specific level tags and the price of the level

[steep egret]

btw since i got you, is it planned to remove the "integrity" moon from the list?

[slow hemlock]

i didn't remove anything

[steep egret]

no i mean are you planning to remove it

cause rn it spawn when LLL is enable

[slow hemlock]

lecore manages to slide moons into my system, they may be damaged in shipping

[steep egret]

but map is buggy, not finished

[slow hemlock]

i have no idea what integrity is

quotable

[steep egret]

its a moon (unplayable) which spawn on your moon list ingame if you have LLL enabled

[slow hemlock]

you'd have to talk to whoever is causing that to happen

its not me

[steep egret]

i mean its only happening if LLL is enable, whithout any other mods

[slow hemlock]

show me scr and log in #1193461151636398080

[nova lake]

regarding config stuff, remember its not possible to have individual config options that cater to every possible scenario, or the config would be 300 lines long and ridiculously complex. when designing config stuff i need to balance complexity and bloat while also keeping functionality

the functionality you described can be achieved with the current config, but right now it is hard to match moon names. fortunately is sounds like the next version of LLL will make matching custom moon names much more forgiving

[steep egret]

will do

[steep egret]

nvm i find the culprit, the only one i forgot to disable it was generic moon mod my bad. Btw who should i ask for to remove the "Test moon" which get added if you use LoadDefaultBundles on LECore (which add waterridge), should i ask joakim ?

[static girder]

atlas

lol

im tired

got 4 hrs of sleep

i did get it working btw

sorry :<

well i got it to work once

still testing

[strong gust]

All gud

[nova lake]

whoever develops LECore is probably your best bet

[thorny rivet]

im just now learning about the config menu, but is this how you set the dungeon rates for the indoor facilities?

[slow hemlock]

like the vanilla ones?

[thorny rivet]

its both vanilla & modded

[slow hemlock]

wym

which indoor facilities

[thorny rivet]

as in is that how you set the dungeon's rarity for that specific map

[slow hemlock]

yes

[thorny rivet]

ty

[tame karma]

is there a way to set my config to just guarantee the dungeon/castle on dine only?

[slow hemlock]

dine9999 should get it pretty close to guranteed

[tame karma]

with this config im still not getting the layout on dine

[nova lake]

new update just dropped, just updating dependency of LLL

this should fix an issue on march and make finding planets using list names way easier

see below (via batby)

this should make guessing moon names more consistent

last few updates have been small, mostly batby fixing stuff. i am working on new rooms however and making progress on a new interior

[uneven walrus]

Any hints on new interior theme?

[sleek sun]

How much damage does a fire axe deal

[nova lake]

4x shovel, a fuckload

[nova lake]

might post a preview later tonight, still early stages though

[midnight ember]

does anyone know by any chance if LLL dungeons support multiple fire exists already? 👉👈
Or at least Scoopy's

[slow hemlock]

yeah

[midnight ember]

or is that just a map problem?

[floral bloom]

Brotha is in the end ‼️

[graceful whale]

B1adeWo1f fell out of the world

[crimson pilot]

seems like a map problem

[graceful whale]

Jokes aside, probably the map's fault, but hard to say for sure, I haven't had that issue on any maps

[nova lake]

use LethalExpansion or LECore?

[midnight ember]

LECore

[nova lake]

does look like a map issue to me, you fell through after being teleported

[midnight ember]

yeah, i reported this on the dev's github

[nova lake]

does it happen with vanilla interiors on that map?

[midnight ember]

mmmm, i'll check

[nova lake]

i expect it will but good to be sure

[graceful whale]

[nova lake]

new dungeon 👀

veeeery early stages (as in i loaded in to it for the first time like 3hrs ago)

but keen to grind it out a bit on the weekend

[proper bone]

Very cool

[sullen crescent]

sewers like dungeon?

goes hard

[nova lake]

indeed

more in style of vanilla dungeons

[silver stirrup]

We love surfing sewers

Will this be packaged with Scoopy's Variety Mod?

[nova lake]

yep

all my dungeons will be packaged in the mod, and players can enable/disable whichever ones they like using config

[midnight ember]

oh damn

this looks sick

[silver stirrup]

Absolute legend, I love the dungeon, can't wait to see how this progresses

[zenith vessel]

Could an option to make fire exits look like regular ones in Dungeon be possible Scoopy?

[nova lake]

possible, i imagine so, but i have no plans to

would be kind of a pain to get working

maybe in future

[graceful whale]

This looks absolutely fuckin PERFECT for Aquatis, not sure how familiar you are with any of the modded moons but Aquatis literally has a built-into-the-floor entrance that feels like a sewer grate

[nova lake]

currently this dungeon leads to a room with a manhole in it lol

so may not fit that well hahaha

but the vibe would definitely be a good fit

[graceful whale]

Manholes within manholes

[nova lake]

its manholes all the way down

[graceful whale]

Looks dope though, definitely exciting

Modded interiors are def lacking atm

(Not, like, the existing ones, moreso the number)

(To be clear, love the work that's been done <3)

[sullen crescent]

Speaking of Aquatis, are you also experiencing the bug that makes it so it stops raining on the map whenever you enter and exit the dungeon?

[prisma copper]

dn3d sewer vibes

[midnight ember]

must be the map cause it even has outside spots from which you cant get out

but im checking vanilla dungeons still

yeah, i can even jump off it and not die lol

sorry for confusion

[steep egret]

what about an exclusion list ?

[graceful whale]

I typically avoid weather so I can't say for sure, I don't remember encountering it

But that's not to say it isn't a bug lol

Ironically Rainy weather is probably the weather I avoid most, because it gives very little extra money with the mod I use for that, and my boyfriend has a tendency to find every pile of quicksand on the map

[mental jungle]

new scoopy sewer dungeon, and hadal labnatories interior hell yea

+scp+castle+mainfacility+mansion

[floral bloom]

+mine whenever I get off my ass and make it

[graceful whale]

I wish I knew how to make modded interiors and wasn't a complete noob at coding

I'd make a Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion interior

[fiery matrix]

• Oobl Laboratory :)

[silver stirrup]

What's your ideas? These threads are all very exciting to watch grow

[floral bloom]

Mine/Cave

I have some room ideas written down and a few reference images

[graceful whale]

Minecraft interior wen

[floral bloom]

I hope nobody else is doing this

Would suck to have 2 people make the same interior lol

Would idea dump here but don’t wanna flood

[nimble ferry]

i think the egypt moon dev said he'd look into letting his custom interior also spawn on other moons

seeing all the custom interiors is gonna give so much variety to maps dude it's sick

[crimson pilot]

egypt has a custom interior?

[nimble ferry]

not yet but the dev is working on it

[graceful whale]

Hrm

EGypt needs to work on its moon first, its cool conceptually but not fun to play atm lol

Lots of geometry that you can get stuck on, and a crazy long trek to the entrance

[crimson pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJsJ4MWY7R0

[sleek sun]

Dang thats alot, anyway to config that to be 2x or nah? I'd like for it to be better than shovel but not a 2 shot on everything 💀

[uneven walrus]

Would this be the first dungeon with a ladder indoors? Sewer system is a great idea

[floral bloom]

How would the ai deal with it

[midnight ember]

i know that outside monsters can climb ladders

so uhh probably not a big problem

inside monsters* tested with lethal escape

[uneven walrus]

Masked enemies just zip up and down ladders like freaks so maybe like that

[weak violet]

hello idk if someone can help me please, my goal is to set scoopy's dungeon to spawn only in the atlas abyss moon 100% of the times, but whenever I set CastleDungeonMoons to "list" it just overrides the value and uses the "vanilla" value. Has someone else had this problem or knows how to make it spawn only on modded moons? If also tried putting "modded" but it doesnt seem to work, always ends up using the vanilla moons. All mods are updated.

[crimson pilot]

try doing this exact configuration

[weak violet]

I'll try

thank you

[fleet linden]

spider can be stuck between this

also some glitchy terrain

[west gull]

are you in the fucking end dragon fight???

[midnight ember]

yeah

sadly that map is kinda unfinished

[fleet linden]

looks like a map issue

[knotty harness]

Whats the correct config to only have the map spawn on offense,assurance, and experimentation at 20% for each? No matter what I do the map spawns very weirdly on every map.

Im trying to have this on 3 of the moons and the scp mod on 3 others

[timber basin]

A weight of 75 should be about right for a roughly 20% chance

Assuming the given dungeon is the only addition

[willow zealot]

I cant get the dungeon layout on atlas abyss. i tried using list and modded on the config file but nothing. Do u guys know how to get it?

[steep egret]

so for a map that only have 1 vanilla layout, if i want 20% scoopy 20% scp i shuould use around 150 for both?

[timber basin]

No you'll want to use 100

100 + 100 + 300 == 500
100 / 500 == 0.2 (20%)

(not accounting for the tiny odds of alt layout)

[strong gust]

Try this:

1. Download LethalExpansionCore
2. Edit Scoopy's for the following parameters:
   CastleDungeonMoons should have "list"
   CastleDungeonMoonsList should have something like "Atlas Abyss99999"
   CastleDungeonGuaranteed should be "false"

For CastleDungeonMoonsList, this is to effectively guaranteed to appear on this moon, if you also want chances for its default layout (Complex), then lower the number to your preference

Use commas if you want to add more moons to the list

[willow zealot]

all my friends have to do it aswell?

[steep egret]

im curious about what is the equation if you add the alt layout in the calcul

[rustic pendant]

I can’t wrap my head around this

For some reason

[slow hemlock]

imagine lottery tickets @rustic pendant

each number is a ticket in the selection

[knotty harness]

would having a moons at for example "assurance0" make it guaranteed? I did this and it ALWAYS spawns on that map

[slow hemlock]

not for vanilla ones yet, coming soon

this is how dungen rarity works

[timber basin]

Depends on moon since it's different for each, but it usually won't significantly affect the result except for Titan as it uses a not insignificant value for the mansion weight

[mental jungle]

wait egpyt has a custom interior?

[mental jungle]

oh wait nvm

[mental jungle]

oo is that out?

[fiery matrix]

private beta rn you can access it via the thread

[mental jungle]

oh nice, is it in this mod releases forum? Also is there images and stuff/

[fiery matrix]

check my bio :)

[mental jungle]

ty

[mental jungle]

how is it private beta if everyone can accsess it from the thread XD

[fiery matrix]

just that its not on thunderstore yet

I guess public beta is more accurate

[rustic pendant]

each 100 is a ticket?

[slow hemlock]

each 1 is a ticket

[empty coral]

I like the marble analogy.
A weight of 100 means putting 100 marbles into a box. If ItemA has a weight of 20, and ItemB has a weight of 50, then it's like putting in 20 marbles for ItemA, and 50 marbles for ItemB, then picking a random marble out of the box.

[granite flicker]

Just reporting in that I was playing multiplayer with Scoopy's+SCP+LE+LECore+8 Custom Moons and all mods play together without issues, honestly can't wait to see what new dungeons the community makes for this moving forward!

Even with my 114 mod setup the game runs without issues!

[graceful whale]

Same, been playing with several and everything works mostly without a hitch, other than occasional individual mod issues I can report

[nova lake]

great to hear

cant take credit for that personally though, all credit to LE + LECore + LLL devs

[timber basin]

Yeah great to see the library devs making sure everything is working together, even if it was a bit rocky at first when switching over

[graceful whale]

[granite flicker]

just double checking but did Scoopy adjust anything with the mod recently? Spraypaint appears to work in the dungeon now on about 90% of surfaces though I don't see any notes in the changelog about it

Curious if it's a LLL change that allowed the assets to have paint appear now

[slow hemlock]

lmaoo what

@nova lake

[granite flicker]

yeah not sure what changed at all but I'm able to use the spraycan in the scoopy dungeon. SCP dungeon still appears unaffected though sadly

I have around 100+ mods running so maybe one of them is having an interaction, though I sincerely doubt it

[midnight ember]

The paint stream looks like it's betterspraypaint

[granite flicker]

it is, though I was testing with that same mod on a few days ago and I couldn't use the paint there but now it appears to be working

[timber basin]

if scoopy accidentally figured out what the deal with spraypaint was that'd be cool

[midnight ember]

interesting

[granite flicker]

I do wonder if the assets Scoopy's using have an already built in adjustment layer to them that LLL maybe enabled recently that the SCP assets might not have?

Since I've noticed the SCP assets aren't as "reflective" or "shiny" as Scoopy's, which could be the post processing adjusting another layer

I dunno lol

[timber basin]

lack of shine is just that the materials don't have the metallic or smoothness upped

[granite flicker]

[nova lake]

nah boss no fkn clue why its randomly working lol

might do some testing and try figure it out

why does it not work on random parts of the floor 😭

[granite flicker]

yeah I have zero clue either lol

I can post my r2modman profile if you'd like to test with it

[nova lake]

all good i can prob just test with just mine

[granite flicker]

np, just glad it's appearing at all

since holy hell do I suck at navigating the dungeon lol

[nimble ferry]

wait am i good if install mods that use LE (while using LECore) and LLL? i was operating with the fact that they are kinda incompatible 😅

[bronze prairie]

yeah its mostly fine

you have to have LECore though if you use LLL

without it then it flat out does not work

[nimble ferry]

oh sweet

yeah i plan on using core

[bronze prairie]

got the dungeon multiple times on aquatis and faced no issues

[nimble ferry]

hell yeah that's actually great

[crimson pilot]

probably gonna download aquatis and just so i dont have to restart the game once or twice, what do I put it as in the config for scoopys

[bronze prairie]

scoopys automatically got it for me

i didnt have to put in anything

[crimson pilot]

so it isnt in the config?

[bronze prairie]

idk

i literally just downloaded aquatis and scoopys and it worked on its own

i didnt touch any configs

it just works

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[crimson pilot]

well I just downloaded it and orion so Ill find out soon

[bronze prairie]

its still weighted i believe

wait

im looking at the config

its only set to spawn on vanilla moons by default lol

[crimson pilot]

🪬

[bronze prairie]

maybe some weird crossing of wires between LEC and LLL caused it to spawn?

[granite flicker]

I believe Scoopys is allowed on all moons by default isn't it?

could be wrong though

[crystal canyon]

Hi Scoopy and folks. Trying to set together a new Mod for a dungeon. Using LethalLib and LLL, and seems my Plugin code is fine, just that the actual Assets in the AssetBundle are not. Curious what you did to set those up. Getting an error on Index out of range, granted might be anywhere at this point. Suspecting its something to do with Dungeon Depth

[midnight ember]

centipedes are a bit brain dead on this map

[static girder]

i noticed this behavior with spraypaint in vanilla.

[granite flicker]

interesting, wonder what's causing it then

[static girder]

just inconsistencies with how models are set up ig

its cool that it works on scoopys map

[granite flicker]

I mean I'm not complaining, I think figuring out the root cause for it would be good to make all future dungeons work with paint right out of the box

[static girder]

someone mentioned an adjustment layer maybe that's it but idk

in order to know you need to know unity and know the game internally

[nova lake]

DM me with more details and I can tru help

[nova lake]

Yeah honestly idk what causes this lol, I might have to install that spectate enemy mod and try debug

[midnight ember]

yaeh idk, maybe some pathfinding issues with the doors, i've also seen brackens get really stupid on custom dungeons

[nova lake]

Spiders and centipedes seem to be the main issue on mine

Brackens can also act a bit odd though

[midnight ember]

like, on your interior bracken likes to just camp hallways sometimes because he cant retreat for some reason. lagged out the game for me one time even

[graceful whale]

Yeah it seems corners upset quite a few enemies with this mod. I've seen Bracken, Lootbugs, and Snare Fleas all get completely stuck

[nova lake]

Yeah in my personal experience brackens also have problems in scp

[midnight ember]

yeah, that also

[fiery matrix]

I've had bracken be unable to retreat and lag tf out in vanilla lmao

[midnight ember]

oh yeah i can see that happening

[nova lake]

This is also true

[graceful whale]

True

[midnight ember]

probably just bracken ai

cause i cant say it happens consistently

[graceful whale]

Bracken not smart

Bracken says "it's neck snapping time"

[nova lake]

I think vanilla maps don't have the issue just from brute force fixes and rigorous testing

At least I would guess that's the case

But maybe I'm missing something obvious

I think I can fix snare fleas a bit with more ai nodes though

[graceful whale]

Mhm, and at this point it's rare enough in base game that people don't notice. But when you play a mod, people are often looking for bugs

And I don't mean Snare fleas

Anyways Scoopy release sewer layout yesterday pls and ty

[nova lake]

Honestly I'm having alot more issues designing this one despite the layout being relatively simple

Trying to find ways to keep it simple and sewery but not boring

I've got some ideas I'll be working in all tommorow though

[graceful whale]

I mean it makes sense, when the basics are simple it's hard to innovate

What you got so far

I gots ideas

[nova lake]

Right now the map has 3 distinct sub layouts which make up 3 sections of the map

First section is very generic sewery, second is like walking through actual piping, and third will be more unique rooms

And you transition between sections, hopefully makes navigation a bit more intuitive

[granite flicker]

I feel like a new dungeon would ideally give new ways of gaining ground/ mapping out the area to differentiate itself

not sure what assets you're using but I imagine a sewer could use a lot of slopes to connect areas rather than stairs

[graceful whale]

Do you have any rooms of this nature yet, with a gap in the middle and two walkways?

[granite flicker]

big halls with small tunnels connecting could be neat with small service areas for generators, and slopes/ drains could helps us get to higher/ lower areas

[midnight ember]

oh yeah we need more gaps my fav activity on the current layout is falling to my death

[graceful whale]

You wouldn't fall to your death, you'd drown

There's a difference

[granite flicker]

yeah deep enough to drown but not enough to die from fall damage sounds hilarious lol

[midnight ember]

def buying advcomps' flippers for that one

[graceful whale]

Oh 100% which is why I want more water stuff, to make the slippers more useful

but I understand I'm biased

[midnight ember]

yeah

and lgu i htink has diving kit

[granite flicker]

honestly ripping a page out of half life and just using giant empty pipes to connect areas could work

[graceful whale]

This is a good representative of how I kinda imagine parts of the sewer

Not the whole thing, obviously, but having flooded areas like this would be dope

[granite flicker]

mines generating in the watery bits could prove super deadly too. I play with a mod that generates mines outside the facility and suddenly flooded areas get a lot more tense when we can hear but not see the mines

connecting halls like this could work too, there's a lot of variety to water treatment oddly enough

water tank rooms would be neat claustrophobic areas too ||half life and left 4 dead have amazing level design||

[graceful whale]

God that water tank room makes me think of the talking lizard rooms in SCP

Eventually it'd be cool to see some sort of item similar to the apparatus that effectively begins flooding the interior

[granite flicker]

that sounds like programming hell but would help differentiate it

hell, just have some cells be already underwater/ flooded and now we have to manage oxygen when grabbing loot

no idea how the creatures interact with that though since I doubt Zeekers wanted them anywhere near water

[silver stirrup]

I'm 100% sure they aren't affected at all, all outside monsters aren't, they just exist as if the water was not there

[granite flicker]

nvm then lol

[graceful whale]

Look, Brackens swimming is fine

[silver stirrup]

As for water elements inside dungeon generation, Batby has something working for Hadal Lab

#1191943294612156436 message

[granite flicker]

focusing on the theme of water should be the focus though, aquatic flip on the regular facility though incorporating more slopes since stairs might not translate well with the flow of water

[graceful whale]

Besides, you can't tell me it wouldn't be hilarious to dive into a flooded room and find a Lootbug just chillin

Not like mines and turrets effect enemies, wouldn't surprise me that they can't drown either lol

[static girder]

do you have https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/PathfindingLagFix/

[midnight ember]

nope

[static girder]

yeah that pathfindingfix mod should help

completely fixes brakken fuckery for me

to the point of being able to generate 12x size maps on titan

with no stutters

[graceful whale]

I've heard good things about that mod

Will probs have to add it

[granite flicker]

honestly yeah this article could be a good reference for what could work in a sewer level too
https://andrewyoderdesign.blog/2019/07/27/the-good-sewer-level-reference-dump/

TitanFall 2's especially some sections could work if shrunk down/ walled in just to differntiate some sections

Wolfenstein has some bangers too tho

we'd also be fools to not use the most absolute banger sewer level design from Crash 2 as well

Crash 2 already sort of segmented each water/ pipe area so it could translate pretty well and even incorporated electric water as a hazard

[graceful whale]

Electric water sounds awful

Do it

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-do-it-gif-24435329

[granite flicker]

yeah even here I can already see a sort of hallway cell that could link two rooms but still incorporate slopes/ curves

[neon narwhal]

A new interior being made?

[granite flicker]

just planning for now since Scoopy's still busy with the main dungeon

[graceful whale]

I think we broke Scoopy with new ideas

He done died and left

[neon narwhal]

I mean a underwater interior is already being made

[granite flicker]

yeah sorry if this came off the wrong way scoopy, just a really neat idea

[graceful whale]

Jokes aside I think he's fine, scoopy seems like the type to enjoy ideas and community feedback

[neon narwhal]

See

@granite flicker

[granite flicker]

what's this one called? would love to follow its development!

[zenith vessel]

Hadal

[graceful whale]

Hadal seems neat but so far to me the sewer layout seems more in-line with other layouts, an underwater layout seems hard to do unless there's a dedicated underwater map

[granite flicker]

I like the gimmick of being able to see everything at once but the dungeon being more claustrophobic. Having to map out a route while seeing a bracken down in one section would be enough of a reason to still make a sewer area still a good way to make them unique from each other

since sewers could be more open but incorporate water in its own way

[tacit matrix]

hey i get weird bug generate seed.
when you get always going down and dow n and very down you get teleporter to Main Entrance

[midnight ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182319750710304868/1195397728734285977/Lethal_Company_replay_2024.01.12-17.58_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65b3d7e3&is=65a162e3&hm=69dbc232efa62d71a8126bfbfc3ba3e096ad3ad82d5ed55465c921d9a3bd33b6&

[sleek sun]

Anyone else have lethal level loader and by extension lethal lib put you in a green/black screen when loading into the lobby?

[mint folio]

its conflicting with another mod

[sleek sun]

Oh

[lapis sierra]

downgrade lethallib to 0.11.2, 0.12 is broken atm

[mint folio]

workin fine for me, strange

[sleek sun]

yea thats whati did

[mint folio]

usually only time i get the black/green screen is when a mod conflicts

[mint folio]

your right, just tried it again and now its doin the screen lmao

[graceful whale]

Yeah Snare fleas just don't seem to be able to figure out where the heck to go lmao

[zenith vessel]

They get stuck even in vanilla interiors.

[graceful whale]

True, but I notice it a lot less in vanilla, whereas I constantly see snare fleas running in place with Scoopy's

Possibly SCP too but I don't see SCP as often since it's not as configurable yet

[mint folio]

its the navigation of the flea it looks like

the ai doesnt know how to deal with new dungeons ig

[graceful whale]

If I had to guess (as someone who isnt' doing the coding), I'd imagine it's struggling to find a valid spot to hang from

[west gull]

Haven't tested in the most recent build but does the locksmith upgrade from lategame upgrades work in here? It didn't work a week ago

[empty coral]

Quick question, if I wanted to add this to all maps at a low chance like 20, then override with a high chance on specific moons using CastleDungeonMoonsList, I have to write out every moon in the list, don't I? Or is there somewhow a way to use the "all" and "list" settings at the same time?

[graceful whale]

You'll have to write each moon in the list, unfortunately

[granite flicker]

It does. I tested it a few days ago and it worked fine, though my lockpicker* did fall on the other side of the locked door nearly trapping me, but it clipped just enough through the wall

[west gull]

Your picker?

[neon musk]

i downloaded scoopys mod and its dependencies (lethallevelloader & lethallib) but the modded moons arent appearing on terminal, when i downloaded the mods i just dragged and dropped, not sure whats going on

[mint folio]

because lethallevelloader dont work with lethal expansion

you gotta get rid of lethal expansion, and put lethal expansion core in

[lapis sierra]

don't need to get rid of LE, can run both at the same time and LEC will disable LE internally

[graceful whale]

^

[lapis sierra]

you'll probably need to keep LE around if using a modmanager due to dependencies

[neon musk]

i never downloaded lethal expansion

[lapis sierra]

modded moons need lethal expansion (and if you get that, get core too)

only egypt has been ported to LLL

[neon musk]

and it works with the new version of lethal?

[lapis sierra]

what does? either way everything should work if you get the latest versions

[neon musk]

alr, running lethal now

[slow hemlock]

did a modded playtest last night with my friends

i am humbly asking for the guitar to stop playing audio if the interact key is released 😄

[neon musk]

hmm thats so odd

the modded moons arent showing

[lapis sierra]

what mods do you have installed? 🤔

[neon musk]

rolling giant, more company, more suits, bepln, lethallib, scoopys variety, lethal expansion & core, lethal level loader

[graceful whale]

I heard the latest update of something broke Rolling Giant

Through the grapevine

Try disabling that, might not work but it's what I've heard

[lapis sierra]

I believe you got everything needed for custom moons so, not entirely sure

assuming everything is up to date

[neon musk]

for scoopys, lethal level loader, lethal expansion & core, i didnt look for a specific version i did manual download instead, could that be the problem?

[lapis sierra]

that should get you the latest versions, just keep in mind they could've updated again, unless you got them all just now

[neon musk]

got them a few minutes ago

[lapis sierra]

wait I just realized, did you actually install any modded moon?

cause scoopys is an interior mod, not a moon, so

you'd need a custom moon to see them in the terminal in the first place 😛

[neon musk]

wait so the interior mod doesnt work on the default maps?

[crimson pilot]

it does

[lapis sierra]

it does

but you mentioned not seeing modded moons in terminal

[neon musk]

yea i didnt get any maps

but wouldnt it show on the default maps as well?>

[lapis sierra]

yeah, you'd need to get some first, they should show up then, modded interiors show up everywhere by default, random chance

well scoopys at least, I think scp dungeon is only on titan by default, but either way you can edit their configs to your liking and change which moons they spawn in

I'd suggest opening up the config file for scoopys dungeon to get an idea

[nova lake]

Never

[slow hemlock]

i wanted to do like

little strums

[nova lake]

Also idk why that's happening lol

Oh wait that's what you mean

[slow hemlock]

yeee like

oninteractionkeydown
playguitarnoise

oninteractionkeyup
stoguitarnoise

[west gull]

scoopy did you let the hoarding bug pick up the weezer guitar yet?

[lunar plover]

Hi I just attempted to use your mod for the first time and encountered a bug. Every moon we went to had that dungeon. I assumed it was just a chance to change the dungeon or am I wrong? Also every main entrance had several enemies in the first room immediately upon entering.

NVM I'm an idiot and didn't look in the configs. Though I do think it defaulting to 300 (50% chance) is kind of high. Now I'm just wondering if everyone I play with would need to change the config to make them spawn less often.

[strong gust]

Default settings is:
300 chance
vanilla moons

[boreal anvil]

I can't for the life of me get the config to generate. Is there a known mod incompatibility?

I get a warning stating Scoopy targets the wrong version of Bepinex 5.4.22 vs 5.4.21. The latest BepInEx download from thunderstore is version mismatched
Also an error
Could not load file or assembly 'LethalLevelLoader, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null

I resolved it. I simply uninstalled and reinstalled mod and dependencies

[timber basin]

currently everyone needs to have an identical config

[lunar swallow]

Maow (´・ω・｀)
What are the settings me need to set to have only 2 moons to spawn this kind of dungeon? This is what me have setup so far and still not working. (The old version was working before)

CastleDungeonGuaranteed - Enabled
CastleDungeonMoons - List
CastleDungeonMoonList - dine100,aquatis100
CastleDungeonSpawnChance - 100

This version is 0.6.4

[silver stirrup]

Oh yeah, last I had this dungeon spawn I was able to use the spraypaint! Not sure what was changed but it was working

[thorny rivet]

In config setting 100 is only like a 15 or so percent chance

Setting 300 is 50%

So setting 600+ (just put 999) is in theory a 100% chance

[timber basin]

600 would be ~67% chance

[graceful whale]

Mm, not quite
The reason 300 is about 50% is because the "vanilla Dungeon weight" is also around 300
Increasing to 600 would make it about a 67% chance (600/900), 999 a 75-80% chance (999/1299). Once you do like 9999 though, the chance becomes minimal

I see where you got the initial logic, though, if 300 is 50%, 600 must be double that Not quite how it works

[lunar swallow]

Even setting the guaranteed is enabled, me have to crank the chance to 999 to get 100%?

[nova lake]

no guarantee will basically guarantee

i say basically because it just sets the value to 99999

but keep in mind moons in moonslist override the default rarity

[nova lake]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/scoopy/Scoopys_Variety_Mod/ small patch, just changing the lighting a bit to make things brighter, and removed a couple troublesome vents to make monsters bug out less often

currently working on finalising the dungeon interior with a few new tilesets, bug fixes and visual changes, and continuing early stages of development for the second interior

also added a kofi link to my page since some people had DMd me about how to support the mod. entirely optional, of course, but for those who reached out and asked or otherwise want to throw me a few bucks, there you go lol

[mental jungle]

yes!