[Deprecated] Advanced Company

[solid pivot]

Being loaded from BepInEx file

Being received via UnityNetcode

Being read from hard drive from a json file

And being written to from the UI

When this works, this would be the ultimate configuration solution

Even supporting lists, dictionaries & co.

And custom save behaviour

Only thing missing rn for the UI stuff. It should be able to provide a prefab for editing the value

But thats something I can add later, for now I keep it like it is for AdvancedCompany so I can finish this project today

So I have two places where I have to add new config values. But thats it now

Instead of having 6 places

[half wasp]

yeah this is going to give me ptsd, I'm out

[solid pivot]

Which is the reason I havent added much config recently

Because its a hassle

But I created that mess myself So I clean it up now

I might also add this for more simpler stuff

as long as you only use simple values it should work fine

namely: valuetypes

I might be able to do the same with some custom code for Dictionarys and Lists at least

Which would remove the need for most ConfigValue<>

[hallow anvil]

Does anyone know where an advanced company mod stores files with xp value? I know that these files are somewhere on the client side

[nova ingot]

Potato why is DHL shipping so expensive

[solid pivot]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PotatoePet/AdvancedCompany/wiki/1235-frequently-asked-questions/

Dunno, DHL is shit

[nova ingot]

How bad

Cause I paid $38 for shipping 💀

[solid pivot]

There is a joke about DHL in German. That the abbreviation stands for "Dauert halt länger" => "Is just slower"

Or smth like "just takes longer to arrive" in english

Isnt that easy to translate those short german sentences into english

[nova ingot]

"ETA 2 weeks" then tf did I pay $38 for!??!?

[solid pivot]

But Germans are very impatient anyway

If DHL says its arriving tomorrow and it isnt they are seriously pissed :D

Same with making an appointment with a German at a specific time and being late 30 mins

Germans wont like that at all

Some might not even be there any longer waiting for you to arrive

I am that kind of person. If I dont hear back from you, I am gone

No time to waste my time

Probably weight and distance?

$38 seems like either a heavy package or long travel distance

or big package

international I assume?

[nova ingot]

Yeah, Germany to America

But my shit from Japan wasn't even half that cost

[solid pivot]

Yea, 2 weeks is most likely seaway

Shouldnt be that expensive tbh

I would assume a price like that for by airplane.

[nova ingot]

LITERALLY THAT

[solid pivot]

With basically delivery time of 2-3 days

But 2 weeks would be fast for sea too

[nova ingot]

The shipping cost is more than one of the parts itself, it better have first class with a butler for that much

[solid pivot]

Maybe its basically low priority airplane stuff? Dunno xD

They put it on a plane when it fits basically

Volumes are not met all the time and stuff

Maybe inflation? :<

[nova ingot]

Possibly

I expect the package to be spotless

And not curb stomped

[solid pivot]

Wont be

[nova ingot]

I know 😔

[solid pivot]

But DHL is more careful with packages from my experience

At least within Germany

There are far worse offenders

UPS depends heavily on where you live here for example

Sometimes you get a totally beaten up package

Where it feels like they drove over it 5 times

[nova ingot]

UPS depends on if the driver is having a bad day

[solid pivot]

xD

[nova ingot]

I actually caught a UPS driver about to kick my package towards the door

Like tf???? Why???

[solid pivot]

Unhappy with their job probably

I can understand being unhappy

But taking it on the packages of customers, dunno

[nova ingot]

How to make your job worse: act in a way that gets you fired or penalized

[half crystal]

is there a possibility that there can be an option for the head mount to be toggled/made invisible through config? I understand why it's there but it looks a bit goofy with modelreplacementapi models because it ends up being embedded in the face or hovering in front of the eyes

[plush fern]

Having the option to toggle it/hide it would be awesome. 🙏

[solid pivot]

tbh I feel like stopping development. Only complaints day in day out about configurability. I dont recognize my mod any longer.

Will have to think about it.

I feel like I am now developing the german "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau"

According to a dictionary these are translations for that phrase:
"all-in-one device suitable for every purpose"
"jack of all trades device"

Its called Shmoo it seems

"The Shmoo is a little animal who lays eggs and gives milk, both Grade A, of course. The Shmoo himself, when fried tastes exactly like chicken and when broiled comes out like steak. A Shmoo's eyes make splendid suspender buttons, and his whiskers make the finest grade toothpicks. When you look at one as though you would like to eat it, it dies out of sheer will to please you."

I am not doing what I love, adding new items, modelling etc.

I am only adding configs over configs

I just wanted to extend the endgame but now the mod has become my endgame.

But maybe I am just a bit depressed rn.

[vast isle]

IMHO, you shouldn't have started development by combining a bunch of mods. If you had one mod for perks, one mod for equipment, then life would be easier, and people would add everything else using other mods. and now you have made one mod for all occasions and are forced to configure every detail of it, instead of adding features

[solid pivot]

I am not forced by any means, I feel forced because I want to make people happy.

I could just say: It is like it is. People who have played with only AC get my vision

I should maybe just see everyone else as having not the same taste

[split mist]

Then save the config stuff for later. You're not getting paid to disassemble the entire game and make it modular. Making every aspect of moons configurable shouldn't be on you. And it's always something you can do later. Prioritize developing what you want to develop and if people ask, say "It might come later but it's not a priority right now". That's it, conversation done

[solid pivot]

Ripping out core features of my mod rn feels like ripping apart my own baby

Because some kids from school dont like how it looks

So I rip one arm off because a kid made fun of it

You know what I mean?

[split mist]

I do

[solid pivot]

Maybe only creative people can understand. Like, I had a vision with this mod which got distorted more and more by constant flow of feature requests.

[eternal ivy]

But he didn't combine any existing mods and is not "forced" to do anything.

[solid pivot]

And now I cant recognize my mod any longer :/

But well, maybe I am just in a creative depressive phase rn

[eternal ivy]

You could either drop it or continue making it how you want.

[solid pivot]

I am in the middle of the config stuff anyway but I see the work ahead of me and its big

[split mist]

As I said, focus on your vision, don't force yourself to configure every little thing. If people ask for shit, tell em "Maybe later" since I know you don't want to say no cuz you want to make people happy. But make yourself happy first

[solid pivot]

And I think about my vision I had

[eternal ivy]

Trying to please everyone and every mod combination is a lost cause either way.

[solid pivot]

Thats my thoughts

[split mist]

I've already said that config for modded moons should be on the individual mod dev's shoulders anyways

[solid pivot]

I add some config stuff

And people will come with new config stuff

Its a never ending story

and if I add a tactical helmet

all of the sudden people want to adjust the angle of the lights

the brightness

the flickering

[eternal ivy]

If people are willing to sacrifice a big content mod for stupid stuff like emotes, I don't see why anyone should bother with compatability. Let users make sacrifices.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

[solid pivot]

And sometimes I feel like some people feel very entitled. I never talk about that feeling because I fear that I misunderstand some stuff.

[eternal mauve]

thats a horrible expression. Why is one not allowed to both want and eat a cake???

[split mist]

Your helmet is great the way it is God I sound like a parent, if they don't like the lights they have other options

[solid pivot]

And I dont want to accuse someone of feeling entitled.

I already nerfed the helmet a bit

but not much

[split mist]

Mhm

[solid pivot]

Especially the fog effect

Reduced it to half

[eternal mauve]

for sure, I've seen "when is mod coming out" like a bajillion times on this server :P

[split mist]

But yeah, man, focus on some new fun stuff and do what YOU want

[eternal ivy]

You not adding something that is being requested here isn't going to make people go crazy or something. But you still keep adding stuff for them, as if it's necessary.

[solid pivot]

And then people are semi passive-agressive "Do you want people to play your mod? Yes? Then make feature X"

[split mist]

Get those boombox shoes rollin

[stiff galleon]

Well there's other way to nerf these thing tbh, But not sure why people still want to nerf the 「effect」

[solid pivot]

I was eager to add them into the game

but now I am working on config configs configs

And when I just ignored the cry for configs, what did we get?

Helmet Lamp, Headset, Tactical Helmet :3

[split mist]

Put down the knife configs

[solid pivot]

In 3-4 days

We would be at 20 items by now

[eternal mauve]

jesus christ 💀

[solid pivot]

Shit part is, I started so I have to finish it anyway

But when I finished this and continue the development

All config related stuff goes to trashbin

I add the configs I want

[eternal ivy]

I say polish what you have right now and then think about the next step. Need a new stable release so you can take a break and rethink your approach.

[stiff galleon]

I was sick until today, so when I leave this for a while all update is for config?

[eternal mauve]

Thats fair yeah, time spent making configs is typically inefficient

[solid pivot]

People underestimate how complex the new lobby system is

Just providing those meaningful error messages is a huge accomplishment

[split mist]

Lemme be clear as well: if people provide feedback, and you care about it, write it down for later. Take it into consideration, cuz feedback is good, but not when you're no longer enjoying development

[solid pivot]

I hate nothing more than "An error occured"

And in the log file all you see is "Client disconnected"

[eternal mauve]

i think its fairly stable right now

[stiff galleon]

Yeah I kinda agreed what Agitatio said

[solid pivot]

And then you ask the host

And all they see is

"NetworkConfig mismatch"

[stiff galleon]

It's time for a stable version out to let you rest

[split mist]

[solid pivot]

I will hopefully play the game today

Havent played for 2 weeks already

[stiff galleon]

Please enjoy the game

And all of your hard working

[solid pivot]

I am basically working 7-8 hours a day for my job (today and yesterday I had nothing to do for my job, luckily) and the total rest of my time is showering, eating and working on the mod

[split mist]

And if people genuinely harass you over configs (not just drop a suggestion, but guilt trip you to add it), block them and move on

[stiff galleon]

And also WhErE iS mY sNaIl bOoT?????

[solid pivot]

I have not heard back from my friend I asked to play with me this evening yet

[split mist]

I'll play with ya but I don't think you want 90+ mods

[stiff galleon]

Maybe they just busy at this time

[plush fern]

I didn’t realize my small suggestions were causing emotional distress. I’ll just stop talking here to avoid issues.

[solid pivot]

Only the tip of the iceberg

The corn which made the powderkeg explode

[split mist]

It wasn't you, Sweet, really a combination of things

[solid pivot]

You only see a small percentage of feedback I get

By now I constantly get emails

I closed my outlook

YT comments all day long, and 4 discord servers where I get feedback

Then there are DMs

[eternal mauve]

shit goes down when youre one of the only people qualified to make something good :P

[split mist]

But I will say, from the bottom of my heart, the amount of features and compatibility you have added mean the world to me and I genuinely think Advanced Company is a mod that I couldn't live without at this point. If things break, worst case scenario I'll wait to update, I want to see your creative vision cuz what you've done so far is spectacular

Don't let stupid people undermine that.

[solid pivot]

I wouldnt call them stupid. But they dont really get my vision for the mod and want me to cater to their specific needs.

Which is a lot to ask for so many different people.

[split mist]

Mhm! That's fair. Then as I said, tell them "Maybe in the future" and move on

Or no! Don't be afraid to say no sometimes

[stiff galleon]

Somebody : Can you make xxx mod compatible pewzzzzz uwu

[split mist]

[eternal mauve]

Right, I need to get into actual modding too instead of just helping out people here with bugs, more capable people hopefully lessens the stress on these guys.

But actually tho, today someone came up to the dev for LateGameUpgrades and complained for like 30 minutes about how horrible the entire new mechanic the dev added to the game was

[split mist]

Don't get me wrong, I love that it's so compatible with so many other mods, but at the end of the day compatibility should not be your only focus

[solid pivot]

I personally dont like LGU but I see their vision and wouldnt go there and argue to make all items less powerful

dont like as in: I think some items are way too powerful.

[split mist]

My big ones are LECore / LLL and that's pretty much it, I can live without basically anything else if needed

[eternal mauve]

The fact that they have config capabilities makes it possible to do that (imo)

[solid pivot]

Way, it was LethalThings I think

which mod added the rocketlauncher?

Thats something I find way too absurd tbh :D

[split mist]

Lethal Things yee

[solid pivot]

But well, its their mod, their vision

[split mist]

Plus the Rocket Launcher can be adjusted and disabled

[solid pivot]

I wouldnt go there complaining about it

[split mist]

I have it set to an obscene price so that it's only obtainable on sale

[solid pivot]

And yesh, lightning rod is op

I know that

[split mist]

But it's fun to have occasionally

[solid pivot]

Which is the reason I am constantly thinking about a downside to it

Like masked manipulating them

[split mist]

Lightning Rod is OP, but that's cuz Stormy is OP

[solid pivot]

Or giants destroying them

Because they are all childlike: uuhhh, whats that? Wanna eat!

Crunch crunch

[eternal mauve]

:P some people like messing around with broken items and I guess thats what LethalThings is there for. Its not completely bad in vanilla but configs allow for shenanigans

[stiff galleon]

So I make them into 400 credit lol

[split mist]

Giants destroying them could be neat, would mean you have to be thoughtful about where you put it and try to hide it

[solid pivot]

Exactly

same with masked, if you put it far away the chances are lower for it to be manipulated

as right beside the ship

[split mist]

Otherwise "Mmm, crunchy lightning rod"

[eternal mauve]

I would say make them retract by themselves after a certain amount of time. Not sure if you want to go down that animation spiral though :)

[solid pivot]

I already have the animation

I am just not using it

[eternal mauve]

oh dang

[split mist]

If you do that though, they're reobtainable, which I think defeats the purpose

But yeee, Potatoe, the people who truly like this mod and aren't just asking for it to be a global "fix everything" mod got your back here.

[eternal mauve]

:( nah i recommend you use that animation, it would be a waste of work power otherwise!!

[solid pivot]

By now I am not even looking regularly for people playing with my mod on twitch btw.
Its depressing as it feels like nobody is playing with AC. Even tho I know better.

But it somehow feels like silent critique. And AC is my work and so I feel my work is rejected.

[eternal mauve]

Them retracting after a bit would add another layer of difficulty in using them

[solid pivot]

Which is comparable about a painter painting his vision and getting rejected for his work

It somehow hurts kinda different

But well, maybe I just dont look enough by now :D

And then there is the situation with people shitting on my mod for "breaking everything"

Its basically a combination of all that which is really depressing

[eternal mauve]

the stuff that gets played visibly ie on twitch is the stuff thats most popular, some of the most popular mods right now just dont work with AC, tho its not your fault, its theirs >:P

[split mist]

I totally get it personally

[eternal mauve]

[solid pivot]

Everytime I see the MoreCompany logo I cringe

[split mist]

SAME

[stiff galleon]

Oh no CRINGE

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-cringe-cringe-oh-no-kimo-kimmo-gif-23168319

[solid pivot]

Which are the most popular mods which dont work with AC tho?

Dont say More Emotes now

[split mist]

ReservedSlots. That's it

[solid pivot]

lol

[eternal mauve]

people also prefer using more company even though its bad desync (just cause its most popular right now)

[solid pivot]

So people dont understand the equipment system?

[eternal mauve]

not that advanced company isnt good with it

nah the equipment system is fine, works just like reserved slots?

[split mist]

I honestly don't know, the equipment system is so much better than Reserved Slots

[solid pivot]

Because by now there really isnt a need for ReservedSlots

You can make the tactical helmet cost 20 credits

and go for it

[split mist]

People are just used to the popular mods

[eternal mauve]

I personally like the concept of having to "give up" a slot to use an item

[split mist]

Remember, people take the path of least resistance, they go to the first page of "Most downloaded" and add from there

And unfortunately, for people who use cosmetics, Advanced Company users often still have More Company for the cosmetics

[solid pivot]

I am on my way to page 1 Top Rated

[eternal mauve]

Lategame Upgrades is going to surge in popularity, and since it works pretty well with AC things should be fine

[clear thunder]

I feel that most people who ask for reserve slot didn’t even played 30 min with ac.

[split mist]

^

[solid pivot]

I like the reserved slots to be a bit more expensive

[split mist]

Or they asked back before the equipment slots were polished

[solid pivot]

You have to pay for it but also get nice cosmetics :3

I mean the tactical helmet is sick

[split mist]

Since when I first tried the mod I admittedly didn't like how they were just appended to the hotbar

[eternal mauve]

I dislike the concept of free slots for specific items... its literally removing the game mechanic of "sacrificing" a slot for an item

[split mist]

But they're so good now

[solid pivot]

Equipment slots are still free slots for specific items tho :3

But they come with downsides

[eternal mauve]

AC has options for each slot which is awesome

[solid pivot]

A) more expensive items
B) tactical helmet is heavy
C) you lose access to that slot unless you pay the increased price by A

Dying is more meaningful

[split mist]

This is the same reason I don't like radio hotkey, cuz it's so much more immersive to have to drop your two handed item and swap to the radio while hearing a Giant stomping around

[eternal mauve]

I wouldn't be as happy with this thing if it was just one item (ie just rocket boots and no flippers) per slot

[solid pivot]

losing your rocket boots on day 1 when you dont have the money to just buy new ones feels bad

Buying Nightvision too early and losing it then. ooof

hurts

[split mist]

Losing my bulletproof vest immediately after buying it sucked ass

Stinky Bracken

[solid pivot]

I have so many awesome teamplay ideas for my game I wont be able to add to LC

[clear thunder]

We’re going to be a group of 7-9 people Saturday and we made our modpack with Advanced company as the base game first. The gears, (headlamp and the sweet tactical helmet for exemples) and perks were what people wanted to keep the most.

[solid pivot]

Imagine a keycode door or puzzle in a room where the solution is found somewhere different in the map

So communication is key

I also had some ideas regarding world generation

I really want to have floor plans in some interiors

which actually reflect the generated level

So one can help by staying inside at the floor plan

Stuff like that :<

[eternal mauve]

LGUpgrades is actually sort of trying to implement that (but getting absolutely hated on for it being too "computery")

[solid pivot]

Cant work on those, they are just not viable as a mod for me

[split mist]

Anyways it's like 6am and I shouldn't be awake yet, I must dip

I hope I helped a little Popato

[solid pivot]

Still depressed by all the awesome ideas I have :<

I really want to work on my own game

But I cant unless I finished this mod

But at least I have a vision for the end of the mod

[eternal mauve]

Imma make my own game too

[lost python]

AC is the absolute goat of our pack

i don't think we can play modded anymore without it

just because it's stable as fuck 95% of the time in general

[solid pivot]

Just sad that nobody will ever see the end of my story

As it will require teamwork

ARG like and such

[lost python]

Hints

[vast isle]

Does anyone know why "perks" stopped opening the menu for upgrading perks? I don't have any other mods

[solid pivot]

Fun part about it is that data miners will only get so far As I will hide download links to additional dlls for my mod with missing content elsewhere

[lost python]

use the portable terminal

[solid pivot]

X

[lost python]

press X to access it

[vast isle]

oh my

[solid pivot]

Its not that big

[lost python]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PotatoePet/AdvancedCompany/wiki/1235-frequently-asked-questions/

[clear thunder]

I like you vision of teamwork when thinking about new gears and such, any idea about new vest and boots ?

Maybe a vest that give extra battery at the cost of weight ?

A vest that beep like a mine so you can find your friend dead or alive body.

Maybe boots that let you walk over slime like rain boots.

[split mist]

Welcome to Advanced Tech

[lost python]

OH HELL YES I WANNA WALK OVER THOSE SLIME SHITS

[solid pivot]

I planned to add a mine defusing kit which only works when somebody is standing on a mine

[lost python]

oh oh my god

[solid pivot]

*Thumper appears*

BOOM

[lost python]

i can imagine it have some funny

defuses landmine
gets shot by nutcracker

[solid pivot]

Defusing a mine when somebody is standing on a mine

You hear from the distance:

"JEEESTEEER!!!"

[split mist]

[solid pivot]

Sadly it isnt a good idea in th e end because you can just deactivat the mine via terminal anyway :<

Thats why there is no mine defusing kit yet

But the portable terminal might be able to hack turrets permanently

[eternal mauve]

AWWWWWW

[lost python]

defuse the mine permanently

[split mist]

Valid, but tbf you could make it permanently defuse them which is helpful. Or even let you pick it up and replace it

[solid pivot]

It would become scrap, yea

You can then take it back to sell it

[lost python]

that sounds amazing for titan

[eternal mauve]

(I got accidentally scrolled up to the top of advanced company thread)

[split mist]

[solid pivot]

Yea, that hurt a lot too when somebody told me that other mods were before me

The whole perk system was ready on 1st of December 2023 I think

[split mist]

Can we add a mine undefuser so I can kill my friends

[solid pivot]

You can set up mines again which you have defused

[split mist]

POG

Add pls

Screw shovels, landmines are new best friend

[solid pivot]

But first I have to rework configs :<

[split mist]

No

[eternal mauve]

What’s in em that you actually have to do?

[solid pivot]

Already in the middle of that

[split mist]

Type "//" before the config code and put it on hold

[clear thunder]

You could reuse defused mine to act as a proximity detector by beeping when a monster is near 🤔

[split mist]

Don't force yourself

[solid pivot]

The old config isnt there any longer

[eternal mauve]

I saw you were making configurable scrap amounts and stuff which is incredible

[solid pivot]

So you think the idea is good anyway? Well

Maybe Ill add it then

[split mist]

Yeee

Don't doubt yourself

[solid pivot]

And if its just for trolling

Placing a landmine under a teammate

[clear thunder]

Spiked boot, to jump on thumper, spider and bugs. Not much dmg and not the smartest idea but hey, new boots

[solid pivot]

"Give me your nightvision or you'll blow up"

[split mist]

Would newly placed landmines work on enemies I presume?

[solid pivot]

Spiked boots are already planned to walk up slopes

Nah :D

Landmines are landmines

[clear thunder]

Ohh 😮

[solid pivot]

Would be funny but also very powerful

[eternal mauve]

Landmines could be used to blow up locked doors?

[eternal mauve]

Yo!!! That’s like the metal boots from twilight princess!

[solid pivot]

?

[split mist]

Idk. I feel if you have to go through risking effectively two people to defuse it, it killing one enemy is fine, as long as defusing has risk

[solid pivot]

The metal boots in Twilight Princess attracts you to magnetic surfaces and you can walk in the water, no?

[split mist]

That's your call tho

[eternal mauve]

Yeah lol! :P walking up slopes is a fun mechanic, I can imagine it slowing down your movement while equipped or something

I still need to finish twilight princess :(

[split mist]

Just make em like 40lbs

[clear thunder]

Oh, maybe a vest that activate a slow heal when critically injured, juste enough to bring you back to half, but it became useless after that.

[split mist]

Bomb Vest for defusal squads?

[clear thunder]

Kinda like ‘’ hey, that was a nice 175$ but don’t any idea now, be carefull’’

[solid pivot]

Bomb vest. Did you ever wear one of those?

I mean the defusing vests

[split mist]

I have not

[solid pivot]

They are HEEAAVVVYYY

[clear thunder]

Nice hand 🖐️

[split mist]

Exaaactly

[solid pivot]

They are only meant to protect you from dying, you will still get hurt a lot if something makes boom

And need to go to a hospital instantly

[split mist]

Weee loooveee the company

[solid pivot]

So it would only make a mine take you to critical injury

Weigh 100lb

XD

[split mist]

Seems balanced

[solid pivot]

Survival rate goes through the roof

But sadly scrap rate is falling

[split mist]

Can't have that

[solid pivot]

100lb is a bit extreme, sure. Its prob more like 70

[split mist]

Combined with weight reduction perk could actually be a decent item

Good for bomb defusing in case it goes wrong

[solid pivot]

Garant SP-15 is 21kg

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/garant-sps-15

+4.75kg for the helmet

So 60-70lb should be realistic

[clear thunder]

A flash vest that you can stun things. Trigger by pressing a key, one time use, instant. Plus be a good vest to clutch teammate out of a lethal situation.

[split mist]

I'm hesitant about too many one time use items

[clear thunder]

Could be one time use, or make it with a battery and you need to charge it every time you use it.

[split mist]

Battery powered might be better

[clear thunder]

So you can’t overuse it inside and going in and out is not efficient.

[split mist]

And we know how the company feels about inefficiency

[solid pivot]

[clear thunder]

[earnest parrot]

What does the tactical helmet do?

[clear thunder]

Comm and light 💡

[split mist]

2 in 1 special

[earnest parrot]

Thats pretty darn cool

[split mist]

Yeee

Don't lose it, they cost money

[solid pivot]

Will test Subcontainer next

I think this is one of the easiest way to provide configurations :)

Just use ": Configuration"

Everything else comes from that

[peak trench]

is there any way to add a custom moon? (I added Atlas_Abyss moon) when I start it , it usually goes to an empty white space

[solid pivot]

LLL/LE+LECore should work

[peak trench]

i think i have LE+LECore. But the problem was I don't know how to add it on the moon list here.

[lost python]

what is the number prefix of atlas abyss

you have to do it like this

it varies depending on the internal moon name of the modded moon

[peak trench]

interesting, so how do you usually find these prefixes? ask the mod developer?

[lost python]

when you check moons

they should have those prefixes

but I think LLL removes those and format it in their own way

But you can just type the moon name, press Enter and this will show up

[peak trench]

i'll check it out rn

[steep niche]

Atlas Abyss requires LLL instead of LE+LECore. For me it worked just fine putting "Atlas abyss" but I dont have LE+LECore in my modlist

[peak trench]

i have LLL and LE+LECore. I tried doing what you did and it's still not working. now the problem is I put a price on Atlass Abyss for 800 but, on the terminal it only says 419.

[hard socket]

atlas abyss has a packed-in dll that sets its own price, they made it disabled by default now but you may have a version where it was enabled still

there will be a cfg file for it in your config directory

[lost python]

Oh you can't change the price of Atlas? dem

[peak trench]

yeah i think it was this one

[hard socket]

Potatoe I hope you don't feel discouraged on pursuing your creative inspiration - I think it's only a matter of time for people to catch on and appreciate the stability and savvy coding for larger lobbies, let alone the other quality of life you've done with reworked systems like item placeholders to eliminate shuffled arrays and the like.

I can only imagine the deluge of DMs and emails and pings from people who blow right past FAQs and whatnot, but for what it's worth there are a lot of players playing with big groups of their friends and having a great experience free of desyncs and other headaches thanks to your work and that number is bound to increase more and more.

LC's still so early in its modding infancy comparatively, but as it trucks along the number of people you've helped have an excellent experience will continue to grow exponentially. It is apprecaited!

[ancient sand]

I would like to express my gratitude to your work, it's amazing and I love it, really nice work.

[hard socket]

I know we're just a small sample size but thanks to AC we've been able to play with groups of 8 people flawlessly and everyone -loves- the perks and accessorizing with headlamps and rocket boots and so on -- I think we've probably played 40 hours with AC multiplayer at this point, so collectively between the lot of us > 300 with a vastly improved experience.

Our only encounter with instability was unrelated to AC -- there was an update for Skinwalkers where they experimented with trying to keep the audio records in active memory instead of writing to the disk and it led to all sorts of weird issues; outside of that (which was fortunately promptly fixed by the Skinwalkers devs) we've never had any problems with desync or lag or anything and thats fantastic.

[ancient sand]

Same on our way, and I like your pov about ur code, I also have some open source projects and "closed" but free and I'm 100% sure someone it's gaining money with my work, because it has 2M downloads, and for sure someone it's selling it

[solid pivot]

keep the audio records in active memory
lol?

Arent those basically wav files?

I will maybe publish the configuration part later and put it into its own DLL

So I at least contributed something worthwhile to the open source body.

Like I said: There is 99.9% trash in open source. Dont need to be the next project which is basically trash.

Better aim at being one of the 0.1% people actually find helpful

And the AdvancedConfig bit is actually some really weird magical code when it finally works

A lot of reflection magic 🪄

[hard socket]

Yeah they were trying to store in memory .wav audio clips from every player in the game across the entire session (since skinwalkers will pull audio from any of the days / moons you've been at throughout the session)

[solid pivot]

oooof

I need RAM upgrade

128GB incoming

128GB CL-40 5200MHz Kits already

[hard socket]

I have 36GB and use it to just play extremely low-fi games like LC all the time

[solid pivot]

There is even CL40-5600 >.<

Incredible

This is pretty wild

CL40 is a good clock speed for tested RAM at 5600MHz with 128GB

And 500€ isnt that expensive tbh

DDR6 wont arrive for the next 5 years at least

Maybe I should really buy this

Nah, first finishing config stuff. Friends dont have time today :<

No playing for me today

[hard socket]

Sounds like we ought to organize some AC lobbies in here sometime 🔍 though I imagine people have wildly different mod packs

[solid pivot]

I prefer playing in german

👀

👂

[stiff galleon]

Ah yes another masterpiece

[solid pivot]

👀

[simple fossil]

I haven’t got a chance to test this yet so compatibility might already exist, but does advanced company’s head lamp and tactical helmet work with diversity’s setting to turn off lights near the bracken? It would be really cool if it worked with night vision also.

[solid pivot]

Dont think it will work

👀

👀

[pearl badge]

This is fire

[solid pivot]

These will be some interesting particles

[pearl badge]

Amazing addition

[pearl badge]

But what is this

[solid pivot]

Those need some nice particles while you are walking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xnsmyI5KMQ

with +50% speed buff

And this on full blast

There will be different shoes later

And the shoes will now spawn toothless dragon images as particles

in rainbow colors

You have a trail of them :3

All monsters will be alarmed tho

Because of your swag

So the shoes will probably be worse than a Jester

When you pick them up they auto equip and are only removeable when you are at the ship

So better distract the dogs

When swag-king shows up with their new shoes

[pearl badge]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[hard socket]

small chance to encounter a jester wearing the sneakers, terrifyingly strong

[solid pivot]

All monsters will basically follow you when you wear the shoes

They will all get the command to go where you are

[hard socket]

that's hilarious

[solid pivot]

They dont wanna give you the swag shoes

But you have +50% speed

So run!

:'D

[pearl badge]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-gollum-once-hold-never-gif-20169691

[solid pivot]

The shoes are basically one of the first cursed items I add

But they will be worth the trouble

+50% speed and NO stamina loss

AND

Weight is 0lb

Have a full inventory and run!!!!

They stop working at the ship tho. Out of nuclear battery

[mystic sinew]

hello potatoepet, i tried asking this yesterday i think but it got flooded over by other ppl, but what i wanted to know if there is anyway you could add a moon danger config to the moon menu?

[solid pivot]

Enemy spawns is planned

This is basically the danger

[mystic sinew]

: O awesome sauce!!!!

[pearl badge]

https://tenor.com/view/running-hiatus-gif-27536067

[solid pivot]

Exactly like that

[mystic sinew]

i shall wait patiently

[solid pivot]

I think this will produce some very hilarious moments

When you hear that music approaching and a player running soooooo fast

To the exit xD

And all monsters behind him

[mystic sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705960579277258772/1184679058156552273/Doyounoticeme.gif?ex=658cd959&is=657a6459&hm=ef948aebe03d45eaef32ab6a1eca739cc6d685f6781212f3c21157d0840707c9&

[mystic sinew]

please, add this as a scrap...

[pearl badge]

Hehehehehe

[pearl badge]

Looney tunes ahhh situation

[lost python]

Uhhhhhh so something weird happened

[solid pivot]

Sonic shoes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-i8HYi1QH0

[solid pivot]

Did someone join on moon?

[hexed dirge]

I only skimmed over a little bit, but did this have some issues with too many emotes at the moment?

[solid pivot]

Company building is weird sometimes

[hard socket]

swag speed shoes + speed perks + jetpack for momentum -> zip through reality

[lost python]

For full context:

There were 3 players in the lobby, one left on the 2nd day because he had to sleep so only two of us remained. We finished the 2 days and went to the company building. I pulled the lever and then I just got the death message and was shown this screen

[hexed dirge]

I guess that message I read was on the 15th

[lost python]

I will give the Player log

[solid pivot]

I currently dont know of any incompabilities

[lost python]

If the output log is also needed, here it is

[solid pivot]

I knew it

PLAYER HIT ENEMY Minzhire

[lost python]

what hit me

also wait- ENEMY Player???

[spark condor]

Hey, just wondering if AC has rebalanced the vanilla item weights/values, looking to de-bloat my pack by removing balanceditems mod

[solid pivot]

PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire
PLAYER HIT ALLY Minzhire

I think some mod killed you?

[lost python]

I was holding a baseball bat from ImmersiveScraps

[solid pivot]

but it hit you

[lost python]

that's very weird

[solid pivot]

I dont see anything weird from ACs side rn

[ember jungle]

Boston Basher TF2

[lost python]

I died for no reason, then clicked LMB to confirm if I can interact on anything and hit the other guy and he asked me if I was deranged

[pearl badge]

Bro had a heart attack

[solid pivot]

xD

[Message:AdvancedCompany] Relaying message 'ActivateHelmetLamp' from 1.
[Message:AdvancedCompany] Message received 'ActivateHelmetLamp' from 1.
[Message:AdvancedCompany] Relaying message 'ActivateHelmetLamp' from 1.
[Message:AdvancedCompany] Message received 'ActivateHelmetLamp' from 1.
[Message:AdvancedCompany] Unequipping all
[Message:AdvancedCompany] Unequipping all finished
Running kill player function for LOCAL client, player object: Player (2)
A player died. player object: Player (2)
Refreshing voice playback objects. Number of voice objects found: 2
Unable to connect player to voice B #0; False; True

I dont think that ActivateHelmetLamp killed you

[spark condor]

Also wondering about perk XP, using quota rollover from generalimprovements seems to cause AC to incorrectly award XP daily instead of just after deadline

[solid pivot]

I already told people how the dev of that mod can fix this

[ember jungle]

hey potatoe do you think you could add a feature to the tactical helmet that makes it not unequip when attacked by a Snare Flea? with the other headslot items it makes perfect sense that they would fall off when attacked by one but the tactical helmet is designed to fit the form of your head and is strapped on; it doesn't make a lot of sense that it somehow slips off when the flea falls on you. maybe it could also cause the flea to take longer to kill you?

[ember jungle]

Only if you already exceed the current quota.

The rollover mod is already ostensibly a cheat, so you can think of the bonus exp as like a reward for being ahead on the quota. When the quotas get bigger and you stop having this benefit, you really feel it.

[pearl badge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[spark condor]

Yaa, i was thinking the rollover would be helpful with the higher cost of AC gear, was hoping it would offset it, Ill post the bug over in the general improvements page

[ember jungle]

Don't.

Potatoe already knows about it

It's on the mod incompatibilities page

[spark condor]

Perfect, ill just wait for new update

[solid pivot]

Not sure. Will have to look into the code

It calls DropAllHeldItems I think

Will have to see how I can approach this with a Transpiler

[spark condor]

What about balanced item weights? Does AC solve this or do we still have to use the balanceditems mod so yield signs dont weigh 50lbs anymore?

[hard socket]

already has config you can edit weights in

[spark condor]

Perfect, thanks for the reply

[lost python]

So do you just do an Add item and put Yield Sign?

I never tested that thing tbh

I'm not sure if it works for scraps

[solid pivot]

It works for scrap afaik :D

[lost python]

I see

[spark condor]

Oh so there's no default for vanilla items? We need to manually add them?

[split mist]

But I still can't add the Apparatus to the store smh

[hard socket]

There's default for the vanilla tools, you can add other entries you want to adjust. If you're looking to incorporate the balanceditem mod just reference the weights they chose and enter those item names with those weights. You really only have to do it once, and then you've eliminated the need for a second mod (and also the potential for conflicts over things trying to modify those items)

[spark condor]

Beauty!

[hard socket]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/GuysNight/Balanced_Items/source/ You can see the values used here without digging into the files if you want, that'll also show you what the item names are.

Config with AC should also work with modded items as long as you figure out the item names from those.

[spark condor]

Thats awesome, wasn't using balanceditems mod much, just default values they provided, will dig into this!

[hard socket]

You can always make separate presets if you want to experiment while still having vanilla values to fall back on

[solid pivot]

haha

You gotta love when something just works

[hard socket]

AC gear suggestion - Bandolier for the chest slot, offers ammo management benefit for shotgun shells or the like 💥

[solid pivot]

Loading JSON working as well

[ember jungle]

NICE

[solid pivot]

And all I have to do is defining classes :3

And set the default values

Just working

Sad part

Your presets wont work any longer

I think at least

600 lines of code which will make so much stuff so much more easy in the future

[arctic sonnet]

random question, since I was discussing maps 'n map names, prices, values, etc with someone else . -.

is it possible (currently, or in the future) for a map developer to have their map be detected by your mod to have prices 'n name pre-set to what they deem is balanced? Whether yes or no, can someone make a "map pack" of sorts that has like 10+ moons, and upon loading for the first time - is there a way they can just force a config of yours to be the way they see deem balanced (by having it "default" but the moons section is edited to have all the custom moons)? ... could they have it just detect where the moons section is in this 'config' and have it edited so even if you update it and change things around it still would work? o- o

I'm wondering if a pack needs to be made with AC and have a pre-made config already set before sharing the code, or could a moon (or pack of moons) have some possibility of being played with or without AC but if it detects AC it injects a list of moon names 'n prices/values

[hard socket]

Your most practical solution is distributing a preset that has those values

Having this run active hooks when other mod moons turn up is a recipe for conflicts and people complaining when they don't realize / understand it's happening

[arctic sonnet]

Yeh I know 'bout having some preset pre-made, but what if there's some moon pack and people could just use that alone or with other stuff - but if they play it with AC they could have a list all nicely made for their custom changing if they see fit o- o

I guess then for practicality sake - could the moon pack simply have the preset in its own folder? Would AC detect it?

so like if you get the moon pack and don't have AC - the preset is still in [moon pack folder] - but if AC is enabled then the file has visibility

[hard socket]

If you put the preset in the same folder structure as AC even without AC being present, it would see it if you added AC as long as you name it something other than Default

[arctic sonnet]

it has to be in a specific folder? .- .

[hard socket]

The presets folder

[arctic sonnet]

darn..

[hard socket]

Folder path is: Lethal Company\BepInEx\presets\advancedcompany\client

[arctic sonnet]

Is there... a way to I guess... ... how do I word this

can [moon pack] check if AC is active every load, and "if enabled/active" - check [file path: advnacedcompany\client\presets]

for [moon pack default values file name]?

and if not there - create it

[hard socket]

No

[arctic sonnet]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[hard socket]

If you want to include one that has definitions for all the moons in the pack, all you have to do is make a preset file with those values and have it land in that folder as part of your pack. It won't do anything without AC, and if you get AC it will show up as an available preset.

But you can't make a preset that's going to dynamically follow variations of moons. You could make a preset that defines every moon you can think of, though -- entries for moons not present simply won't do anything.

[arctic sonnet]

so [moon pack] folder will exist - and then upon downloading it, it also makes an [advanced company\client\presets(name of pack)] upon downloading?

whether or not advanced company is there

[split mist]

rip presets

time to reconfigure the whole mod again

[arctic sonnet]

that's what I mean ; -; ... I don't wanna create the darn thing... I want map devs to balance their hecking things out

[hard socket]

That isn't possible

Without a bunch of scope creep + cooperation from every map dev

[arctic sonnet]

but no [starlancer cross-the-damn-universe] dev, I don't think you map deserves that trash of loot >:c

that darn map is top of my dislike list given its ridiculous distance..

[hard socket]

There's no actual standard for how maps hook into the game. LE & LLL are the most common, but there are mods that use their own DLLs to do it and other weird methods.

Some maps include dlls that define their own travel costs and scrap values so if you try to develop a mod that factors for all those considerations it's a lot of extra busy work for very minimal benefit vs. 'If you don't like the values, add a line in your preset and change them'

[arctic sonnet]

but then we have that other darn moon up here in this chat somewhere - where their damn custom-values config is default false

I wanna know the practicality of a custom-values true/false thing for a second here

the config has the value

if you're going to change the value - you're going to change the custom-value from false to true

so why the hecc have it

[hard socket]

You're referring to Atlas Abyss, it's defaulted to false so that other mods can change the travel cost. It's there so that if you don't have another mod that does that, you can still customize the value. That's all.

It is only there for a scenario where the user does not have any other way to change the value.

[arctic sonnet]

I don't know if you get what I'm askin- someone up there showed this right? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192241675247026187/1197955659409395796/image.png?ex=65bd2626&is=65aab126&hm=92e76c5106d3b55cc9c80edad6f66af2e87478b5339ee70fd44bb7381a667bb0&

and they couldn't change it with AC

[hard socket]

But again you can solve everything you're seeking by adding a line to the preset in AC if you're using AC

Because it's literally set to true in that screenshot

Which is telling it 'Yes, have this change the value'

So thus there is a conflict with also having AC try to change it

[arctic sonnet]

ok how do I rephrase this.. ... I need an analogy

Why have a check for someone to be physically in the car, to allow the key turning - if the key turning always requires a person in the car

they don't need a true/false for this. They just need price

[hard socket]

I will explain it again

Without changing anything at all, if you have LC with just Atlas Abyss in this example, it will cost 300 credits to go to Atlas Abyss.

If you want it to cost anything else, and all you have is LC with Atlas Abyss, you have no way to accomplish that.

You can, optionally, change that config from false to true to say "Yes, I would actually like it to be a value other than 300."

If that option defaulted to true

Then anywhere else you tried to change the value would be overrided and make it the default value of 300 again if you never went in to change anything else.

[split mist]

The other reason to default this to false is so that other mods (such as Advanced Company!) can adjust it without Atlas Abyss interfering

If true, then Atlas Abyss is going to overwrite other mods changes more than likely

[arctic sonnet]

if false, other mods can change it

[hard socket]

Yes

[arctic sonnet]

if true, you change it in the config

[hard socket]

And it defaults to false

[split mist]

And if false, if the dev updates it and changes the default price, that will change too

[arctic sonnet]

but if something changes it, you set it to change outside of the config via. some other mod (AC for example) - yes?

[split mist]

Which won't happen if set to true

Yee

[arctic sonnet]

and if you went into the config

to change that value - you must set it to true?

[split mist]

Correct, if you're changing it via the config

If another mod is changing it, set it to false

[hard socket]

Only if you're not changing it somewhere else. You don't need to interact with that config in any way if you're changing it in AC or another mod.

[arctic sonnet]

yes so... ... why do I feel like I'm the only one standing on the "this is useless" side of some podium o- o

[hard socket]

It is useless for users who have other mods to change the value

It is there for the rare case where somebody does not have another mod to do it but wants to change the price

[arctic sonnet]

if the mods load in order, maps load first and set price - then AC comes in to change it when the main menu is there and preset is made and "Save/Continue" is clicked

[split mist]

I will admit, it's not the best way to do it, since typically, you are correct: but its very hard to define load order without defining mods as soft/hard dependencies

[hard socket]

That's a more complicated answer because mods don't really load 'in order' in a way you might think and that can vary wildly depending on how they're coded.

[split mist]

Mhm

[hard socket]

Because you can and will encounter mods that keep on re-asserting themselves over and over again

[arctic sonnet]

what other mod other than AC wants to shift another moon's value? o-o

[hard socket]

That's impossible to say definitively, LC has over 5,000 mods available

[arctic sonnet]

'n like 7,000 modpacks 😮‍💨

or 10,000

there are more modpacks than mods atm iirc

[meager cradle]

More like 10000 at this point, and counting

[split mist]

Well keep in mind a good number of those are all modpacks uploaded as mods for some reason

I'd argue 5000 is likely accurate

[lost python]

Kinda wish we can filter out modpacks and filter in mod categories

[split mist]

Yeah that'd be nice

[arctic sonnet]

R2 lets you filter out "modpacks" tags

[lost python]

i mean

[split mist]

Oh does it?

[lost python]

do both

[arctic sonnet]

but some 'modpacks' arent bloody modpacks

[split mist]

True, some people just upload it without tagging

Cuz why do the smart thing and use a code for your friends when you can make everyone's lives miserable

[lost python]

it's a radio choice

[small glade]

There are, at this moment 19,999 packages in the Lethal Company thunderstore

[arctic sonnet]

That's how ye rid "Modpacks"

[lost python]

I mean I want to have both

[arctic sonnet]

true

[lost python]

cause i wanna filter in for example moons and filter out modpacks

[split mist]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[arctic sonnet]

And you can't just say "mods"

[small glade]

Lethal Company is now 47.5% of all the Thunderstore by sheer uploads

[lost python]

damn

[split mist]

Jeeesus

[arctic sonnet]

I mean - just doing that filter

[split mist]

And I thought RoR2 modding was big

[arctic sonnet]

I miss my House

Just because desync happens lots due to awful netcode stuff in RoR2 doesn't make House any worse of a character

[bleak frigate]

FOR THE COMPANY

[meager cradle]

Ah yes one of Jav's survivors

[split mist]

I'm noticing "awful netcode stuff" is a common complaint when people make mods

for anything

[arctic sonnet]

I mean - it is what causes House's issues

a desync of cards between who's playing it and host

House is fun >:c

even if a simple desync causes him to annihilate the world and end the run

HE IS STILL FUN :<

[split mist]

[meager cradle]

Does Myst have similar issues with House in that regard?

[arctic sonnet]

i never touched myst

[meager cradle]

Neither have I, I just know Cloud Strife Cosplay has an even more complicated kit from the page alone

[split mist]

I haven't touched RoR2 in so long man

No frens to play with

[meager cradle]

Like I just look at this and I go:

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-dante-what-the-hell-is-this-wtf-gif-18707536

[vagrant pebble]

just wanna let you know @solid pivot , when you are adjusting the spectator camera, you are enabling layer 23 which is designed for invisible units like the girl

making her always visible for spectators

[meager cradle]

While I imagine that's unintentional, that also sounds funny be able to watch the ghost in real time skip over to end someone

[split mist]

Yeah it's intentionally using layer 23 for that purpose of things invisible to the player, iirc

but ghost girl might be an unintended side effect

[solid pivot]

Its because the mirror mods handles it that way. I would have to break compability with third party cameras like TooManyEmotes and Mirror Mod then

I would've suggested to pick layer 30 for that as its free

but well

I have no way to enforce people using it

[vagrant pebble]

don't other mods use a different layer for cosmetics though?

[solid pivot]

Not if they want to work with mirror mod

Mirror Mod is very popular

I would suggest to establish layer 30 as: Not visible in ego but third person

But like I said: I nor anybody has authority over stuff like that :D

Best would be for zeekeers to add layer 30 for modders

As a layer working exactly like that

Zeekeers is the only one with the authority to do so

Is there an overview over all mods doing anything with stuff visible in third person view?

We might be able to all come together to make that change happen

Only way I can see

[split mist]

Yeah rn Mirror Mod is kinda the issue by establishing that as a base, which tbf seeing the ghost girl in the mirror is a terrifying concept

[turbid badger]

Sadge

Wish we could just organize and stablish layer 30 as mirror reflection

[solid pivot]

Yea

My auto JSON field name generator is doing funny stuff

[wide zealot]

Wasn't even aware MoreCompany had this issue, is that why everyone would see the masked enemies as someone different for me recently? lol

I thought it was a bug with MaskedEnemyOverhaul, since MC is disabled when using AC

but maybe that bug was still happening cus of MC somehow anyways

[solid pivot]

Better now, could add some checks for common terms but nah

its good enough like that

Nice, all default values initialized correctly :3

[flat tiger]

Is there a option to get less xp?

[solid pivot]

1300 lines of this

https://tenor.com/view/bear-in-the-big-blue-house-taking-out-the-trash-chores-trash-bear-gif-17986472

Without Save Progress = false, no

1300 lines removed

I am freeeeee

https://tenor.com/view/plane-airplane-wing-guy-bathing-gif-16809493

Now have to fix errors

[turbid badger]

what the crap

[solid pivot]

Happens when you have basically 100s of configurations

But no more, everything is now dynamic and can sync. All whats needed it the base class Configuration. Configuration is a very nice class. It helps me to get my sanity back

Configuration is Goat

[wide zealot]

Sounds like the new update is gonna be a pretty big one lol

[solid pivot]

Sure, probably will break nearly everything

So I make the statement "AC breaks everything" finally true

[lost python]

Hmm so the portable terminal store doesn't hide disabled store items

[wide zealot]

If anything breaks I'll blame Unity for corrupting your stuff yesterday lol

[solid pivot]

If they are disabled in the config of the other mod?

Deactivate them in my config instead

Free items will be gone soon tho

Gonna get replaced by the actual items you have installed

You have to start the game once tho

Then exit, and all items and moons should appear

[arctic sonnet]

99 bugs of code on the screen. 99 bugs of code. Take one down, patch it around, 101 bugs of code on the screen

[nocturne bear]

Thx for this comment, now I know what kills those damn centipedes in my modpack. For others searching: snare fleas spawn dead, snare fleas run in place, FixCentipedeLag

btw, that substitute mod seems to be called a bit differently - PathfindingLagFix

[solid pivot]

Pathfinding is a mess in this game sometimes

[arctic sonnet]

cough Bracken

[solid pivot]

I guess those extreme lags sometimes is coming from pathfinding?

[arctic sonnet]

Bracken's the worst bloody offender

[solid pivot]

Where even I on a Ryzen 7950X and RTX 4090 play with 5FPS

[wide zealot]

Yeah I meant PathFindingLagFix when I typed it lol

[solid pivot]

Lethal Company needs a NASA computer

[arctic sonnet]

staring at him for a split second and looking away, depending on if you and your teammates are blocking certain hallways

just causes the bracken to attack your FPS directly

[wide zealot]

The spore lizard when it sees you and runs away too

Lol

[arctic sonnet]

INDEED

[solid pivot]

Better buy a Threadripper

[arctic sonnet]

Spore lizard killed me and my team's frames for like 10 seconds

[wide zealot]

PathfindingLagFix fixes all of that

[arctic sonnet]

oh?

[wide zealot]

Yeah

[arctic sonnet]

Gonna just-... look into that

ahem

[wide zealot]

It started off as a fix for the bracken

then got updated to fix spore lizard

Latest update fixes snare fleas

[arctic sonnet]

Ah yes

[solid pivot]

New CPU for Lethal Company

[arctic sonnet]

Let me just buy that real quick-

mhm

[wide zealot]

I have a 12900k lmfao

[arctic sonnet]

and connect a generator to my PC to power it

[solid pivot]

Phew, there was only one in stock

[wide zealot]

and that shit happens

[solid pivot]

Good that I got one

[arctic sonnet]

lol

Do you actually have one? 🤣

[solid pivot]

64 cores, here I come!

[wide zealot]

The bugged Pathfinding is worse for the Bracken

[solid pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-meme-kid-gif-14031709

[wide zealot]

A lot of times the Bracken will get stuck, then when you look at it in vanilla it instantly aggros

[solid pivot]

I am mad, not that mad

Threadripper isnt something I need xD

If I would get one as a gift I wouldnt say no

But would never buy one. For what?

Bragging rights?

[keen widget]

that moment your wallet is balling its eyes out bc lethal can never be modded enough

[solid pivot]

I can then say: I have 64 cores I dont fully utilize 99% of the time

[arctic sonnet]

For that computational power obviously

Look - you exist with the CPU to truly test if a game can use multiple cores

not 2, not 4, not 8, but 32 cores at least

[lost python]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-orange-cat-eating-food-looking-at-camera-shocked-gif-8115591024893342898

My face when CalculatePolygonPath error is getting spammed on console:

[solid pivot]

16 cores is enough to see that Unity doesnt scale very good

[ember jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1195447371748872202/1197589538332225556/togif-18.gif?ex=65bbd12c&is=65a95c2c&hm=f9b5e8eacdb88482a2d3d93f91c3f0f24ea926a637698beb5e30a68a9dc7e51b&

[arctic sonnet]

what a cute cat

[wide zealot]

It's funny when people have Threadrippers and the sheer core count actually breaks some things lol

[arctic sonnet]

probably would decimate my arm for trying to pet it

[wide zealot]

I knew a friend that had that happen

[keen widget]

when you become too overpowered

[wide zealot]

Cus when some things don't know how to utilize it they just freak out and crash constantly

Lol

[solid pivot]

Unreal scales way better on the CPU

[lost python]

What other fix mods do you guys recommend?

[keen widget]

That moment you realize you are built TOO differently

[ember jungle]

i just play on a laptop lmao

[lost python]

same

[solid pivot]

Would love for Unity to invest more time in Multithreadding but well.

[wide zealot]

These are the only ones I use

[solid pivot]

At least they did a bit and Burst is nice I heard

[ember jungle]

i have a window fan that poor people buy when they can't afford A/C (speaking from experience) and it's sitting in my lap pointing up at the laptop which sits on top of it

For cooling

otherwise my laptop gets too hot

[wide zealot]

Paired with GeneralImprovements ofc for it's fixes

[keen widget]

I kinda thought unity would start dying after there new policies for game devs payments and stuff

[ember jungle]

Only problem is my legs get cold. Also dogs

[wide zealot]

Skinwalkers has DissonanceLagFix already so DissonanceLagFix is useless with it

I find SlimeTamingFix to be useless cus I never get boomboxes anyways

but on the off chance I do

[ember jungle]

Slime taming :3

[wide zealot]

I have the sync fix at least

[steep niche]

Do you even need Flashlight Fix with AC?

[solid pivot]

They walked back on that mostly

[steep niche]

I thought that AC already handled that

[wide zealot]

AC handles the toggle

Idk about the fixes

[lost python]

Currently I have:

• CupboardFix
• DissonanceLagFix
• FixRPCLag
• NutcrackerFixes
• PathfindingLagFix
• Symbiosis (for fixing the Hoarder Bug not dropping item held when killed)

[solid pivot]

It basically became less expensive now and you only pay the one of the metrics which is less

[keen widget]

they probably didnt have much of an option- so many people threatened to stop using them bc they did that shit with no notice

[wide zealot]

FixRPCLag I've heard causes issues lol

[solid pivot]

So install fee is still there but you will pay the lesser option of both

[wide zealot]

Would remove

[lost python]

hmm

[trim lily]

like what?

[solid pivot]

So if install fee would make it cheaper than rev share for you, you pay that

[lost python]

what issues does it cause

[solid pivot]

If rev share is cheaper for you than install fee, you pay that

[keen widget]

interesting way to go about it but it works ig

[wide zealot]

Back when I had mod list problems

Lol

[lost python]

:O

well that's good enough reason for me

[solid pivot]

can you link the mod?

Let me check

[lost python]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Bobbie/FixRPCLag/

[trim lily]

and what about log neuter ?

[wide zealot]

I use that one

[solid pivot]

lol.,

You can do this with BepInEx

....

[keen widget]

oh hey i believe it was you asking me what my fps was like ingame with my huge ass modpack- i looked and it was sitting around 80-90 but considering how much i had going on- i consider that a success

[wide zealot]

That one just disables spam that the game doesn't need thast can't be disabled in Bepin itself

[wide zealot]

Yeah lmfao

[solid pivot]

and make this only log Fatal, Error and Warning

But your logs wont be very helpful then

But the log spam stops

[trim lily]

that's pretty nice number

[wild silo]

advancedTech™ xD

[solid pivot]

This has nothing to do with RPCLag tho....

[lost python]

💀

[solid pivot]

RPC is Remote Procedure Call

[lost python]

it sucks lacking knowledge for "fix" mods

[solid pivot]

If I call a method on my game object it gets synced to clients, they are calling that method then too

Thats RPC

What he does has nothing to do with RPC

[lost python]

[solid pivot]

And RPC lag would be network lag

This sounds fishy as "Download more RAM"

[lost python]

can't believe i got baited if so 💀

[solid pivot]

RPC Lag comes from your internet connection basically

Lag isnt that bad when you send messages unreliably

As it uses UDP in that case

UDP packages arrives unordered and may be dropped

[trim lily]

my bad i wanted to say what about runtime netcode patcher ?

[solid pivot]

Player movement for example is a prime example of stuff you can sync via UDP

As you probably send a lot of packages and losing one isnt a big deal

RPC calls on the other hand should be reliable

Its the difference between you toggling on a flashlight and other players seeing that or not

[wide zealot]

Unless you have a mod that depends on it you don't really need it, Runtime Netcode Patcher can actually cause desyncs sometimes

[solid pivot]

but yea, the "FixRPCLag" mod does nothing regarding RPCs

[lost python]

Would having LogNeuter make reporting stuff unreliable?

[solid pivot]

it only deactivates the logs....

If you remove log levels your logs might not be as valueable for debugging

[wide zealot]

No, it disables some warnings the normal game spams

[trim lily]

yo i was thinking it was doing the opossit like making things a bit more compatible

[solid pivot]

This is all that mod does

btw

[wide zealot]

Cus that is normally why when you have all the logging on, the console sends a million lines a second

Cus it constantly reports the spatialized audio and fixlookrotation lol

[solid pivot]

My mod actually does fix some stuff regarding desyncs

Inventory desyncs and stuff

Late join desyncs

As I already stated time and time again

AC is by far the most advanced lobby rn

[trim lily]

yesterday my friend saw me hitting monster with a key while i had a shovel in hand, they could not see it, could it be cause by runtime netcode patcher?

[lost python]

Oh yeah regarding inventory desyncs, sometimes, my friends encounter an inventory bug where they can grab more things than they should (e.g. 5 slots only but they could grab 8 for some reason)

[solid pivot]

Seems like a sync message went into an error

I have to play more to find those errors

[lost python]

I speculated that it's some desync issue

[solid pivot]

Dropping your items and picking them up again should fix it tho

Did your friend join late?

I havent fully tested inv sync with late joining yet

So its running on vanilla code rn

[trim lily]

an other one, whenn buying shotgun (buyableshotgun mod) and shell (bettershotgunshells)^they couldnt see any of those items, neither on the ground or on my hands, and when reloading the game thos item disapeared

[lost python]

oh yeah that became an issue recently for us

we just removed the mod

[trim lily]

no they didn't, but i dropped everething i had and then pick up the shovel back and it worked

[solid pivot]

Shouldnt be ACs fault, if they arent saved the host hasnt them in allItems list

[wide zealot]

Probably another issue with LethalLib honestly

[trim lily]

the shotgun and shell?

[wide zealot]

That dependency seems to always have bugs

[lost python]

for us it's just shell

cause we only had buyableshotgunshell mod

[solid pivot]

I dont change vanillas saving

[lost python]

had no need for buyable shotguns

[solid pivot]

I add extra data

And if the game isnt able to find certain items, I help it to find them correctly

by that supplementary infos I saved

So the changes on saving are fully vanilla compatible

Can remove AC and load a game and it works

Besides items probably shuffling because of the removed items from AC

oh btw

one thing someone asked me to do

[half wasp]

Who cares about vanilla compatibility? If they uninstall AC they can get bent 🤷🏻‍♂️

[solid pivot]

"Remove Performance Report" as an option

Same with Death Screen. People dont realize they are there because AC supports lobbies with up to 32 players

Also a thing 2 people asked so far

[trim lily]

about log neuter, is it usefull if u use it out of the box without any edit?

[solid pivot]

Remove Lobby Setup screen

I dont want support cases where people deactivated it and now ask me how to activate it again

Or where people claim stuff isnt working as intended because they never see their lobby config