[Deprecated] Advanced Company

[solid pivot]

Do you know some cosmetic mod which didnt work so far?

[pulsar tangle]

fair point, havent thought about that

[eternal mauve]

WRONG programmers dont sleep, well known fact

[pulsar tangle]

Havent tested it in a while but like 2 weeks ago MoreHead wasnt working because it has a script

[eternal mauve]

there arent supposed to be any cosmetics in your system by default, correct?

[solid pivot]

Correct

[eternal mauve]

as long as thats true i have no cosmetic complaints

[solid pivot]

Cosmetics are purely optional

[eternal mauve]

I agree!

Would adding a potato hat cause the community to explode in anger?

actually not really a need hehe :P

[nova ingot]

Is potato real?

[solid pivot]

No

I am just a product of your imagination

[eternal mauve]

I agree pet

[outer timber]

Isn't it happens one time?

[vagrant gull]

recaches for my friends every time i give them a new code

[solid pivot]

Unity destroyed all my assets

[solid pivot]

Reconstructing rn :<

[wild silo]

wtf how did that happen?

[solid pivot]

Changed some scripts around

So I can work faster

Recreated all of those so far

All of those needs fixing too tho :<

[ornate zealot]

Oh wtf you meant ALL all

[solid pivot]

yes

All assets are f'ed

But nearly finished

Have to do a lot of code changes too tho, as I have reorganized the assets now

[wide zealot]

Unity always breaking shit

[wheat igloo]

Just wanted to say... Fantastic mod brudduh

[lost python]

So this happened to my friend, anyone knows why?

[outer timber]

So... Strong arms make you basically one shot everything?

[lost python]

He just straight up disconnected out of the blue and his game crashed

[solid pivot]

Dunno, I dont disconnect anyone

Seems like the game just crashed

Nowhere do I call anything related to disconnecting

Or closing the lobby

His logs would be helpful

[nova ingot]

Unity moment (they'll now fire 20% more of their staff for this)

[wide zealot]

Potatoe trying to push out an update for AC, then unity fucks up and delays his work

I've not had anyone desync when joining with AC besides the names on the monitors that I made Potatoe aware of, I haven't even seen someone experience the infamous stuck outside of the ship nameless issue with AC and I used to have someone experience that all the time even without something like LateCompany or ShipLobby added lol

[solid pivot]

phew, seems everything is working again

[wide zealot]

You fixed that fast

[wide zealot]

This exactly btw, their friend's game probably crashed or their friend had internet issues

[solid pivot]

Nightvision effect not working

[wide zealot]

Oof

[solid pivot]

Everything else seems to work

[wide zealot]

I just wonder what caused Unity to pull a FU and corrupt all your assets like that

[solid pivot]

I moved the script files I wrote in Unity into my project, so no 2 DLLs any longer

Unity didnt like that tho

Neither could it load my AdvancedCompany.dll because it deemed it not secure

[wide zealot]

Lol, so Unity just wanted to be a bitch basically

[solid pivot]

So now I am working with a junction link to add scripts in a folder to Unity from my main project

Everything I want to access in Unity as well is now in AdvancedCompany.Unity namespace

[outer timber]

Can helmet lamp and buyable items from mod be struck by lightning?

[solid pivot]

Some items, yes

Helmet Lamp no

[wide zealot]

Man I just love how OP the lightning rod is on Rend

XD

[outer timber]

ty!

[lost python]

Here's the entire log

[wide zealot]

Cus I tested it on Offense originally and it had a certain range I'm pretty sure cus my friends ended up having lightning attract to them, that or it was because I died idk

Murdered by a landmine that decided to blend into the stairs that game was so unlucky

Lol

[solid pivot]

But he wasnt the host?

Is server: False; ishost: False; isConnectedClient: True

[outer timber]

I'm sorry, is it Advanced company makes lightning struck alert?

Or it's game default? Never seen one

[wide zealot]

Game default if the ship gets hit by lightning I think, could be added by AC though

[outer timber]

After it I wasn't able to drop items and it got me dead, lol

[wide zealot]

My group loves Cozy Improvements lol, we just buy Cozy Lights to go with it and never turn the light on on the ship XD

@solid pivot any plans to add Stamina Regen as a perk option btw? The only reason I stick to BetterStamina currently for stamina changes is cus I like the increased regen rate it gives lol

[lost python]

wait how do you retrieve the lightning rod

[solid pivot]

one time use

[wide zealot]

Buy another one

[lost python]

oh so i fucked us by placing it on the ladder in titan

[solid pivot]

Company only has shitty equipment

[lost python]

[solid pivot]

xD

[wide zealot]

Just place it next to the ship

[solid pivot]

Not that good on titan

Wont reach high enough

[wide zealot]

Yeah I know my friend told me there's a way to make shift a rod in vanilla if you have enough keys but now we don't have to waste keys lol

[solid pivot]

On Titan

Will reach a bit higher than the first platform when placed besides the ship

[wide zealot]

The fact you place it next to the ship on Rend and it basically covers the entirety of Rend is so good though lol I already prefer Rend and Dine more tbh for mansion layout

[solid pivot]

And I didnt nerf it yet

Dunno if I will nerf

or make masked break them

[wide zealot]

Lol

[solid pivot]

Draw them to it when in range

Then they stay for 10s

and break it

[wide zealot]

Masked get near it then get hit by lightning

XD

[solid pivot]

Would be more teamplay, I mean, somebody could validate its still functional

And if not transmit that info

[wide zealot]

True

[solid pivot]

I would do this basically by a random interest in masked

When they reach a trigger around a lightning rod a dice is rolled

If the roll decides they wont f with it

They wont for 60s after that

But sometimes they'll do :3

I am thinking about them kicking them xD

[wide zealot]

https://clips.twitch.tv/StylishElegantRedpandaWOOP-4ucjhPU5vmMSlS3D Speaking of masked enemies though, I love that I made noise to attract that dog to it and it turned to look at the dog for a second like it knew it was fucked lol

[solid pivot]

so they lie sideways on the ground

clearly visible manipulated

But you can pick it up again

[wide zealot]

Lol

[hard socket]

Instead of breaking it, have it spawn a new masked every time lightning strikes it with them standing near it and send the new mask off to hunt

[wide zealot]

That would be unbalanced tbh

with how often lightning strikes it imagine the game lag XD

[hard socket]

Blind Dogs will eat masked?

[wide zealot]

Yeah if you attract the dog and it comes across it XD

[hard socket]

That's amazing

[wide zealot]

I've seen Baboon Hawks attack them too

Lmfao

[solid pivot]

They rip them apart

Baboon Hawks are savage

[hard socket]

Do turrets key on them as well? I suppose I never noticed 🤔

[split mist]

It's funny, Baboon Hawks seem to be mostly bitches when it comes to players, but I have seen them (unsuccessfully) fight a Forest Giant

They have very little fear lmao

[wide zealot]

Because the way they work is they're scared when you stare at them lol

[split mist]

Yeah I get that, I just find it funny watching them chase a nigh-unkillable Giant

[wide zealot]

Lmao

[hard socket]

I do wish the noisemaking approach actually spooked them too if just because running around bullying baboon hawks with the clown horn / air horn is hilarious conceptually

[wide zealot]

Also I will say I recommend Solos Bodycams more than Helmet Cameras, for the fact it doesn't make you lag in the ship. It doesn't seem to cover as much render distance though

Helmet Cams is just horrible I find

[ornate zealot]

I wonder if someone’ll try to take up making the monsters accurate to their beastiary entries

[wide zealot]

Better quality but tanks performance in and near the ship lol

Idk why Helmet Cameras is so unoptimized

[ornate zealot]

Oh yeah speaking of which, which one is better to use?

Helmet cams or solo’s bodycams?

[wide zealot]

Solos honestly, then adjust the config and set the quality from 160 to 320

it'll basically give it the same quality as Helmet Cams set to 4 with no fps loss

[ornate zealot]

Wait really???

[wide zealot]

Yeah

[ornate zealot]

That’d actually be really helpful

I wanted my friends to try out a modpack i made, but they stopped bc it was too laggy

Mainly in the ship

[wide zealot]

Solos is so much more optimized it's night and day

[ornate zealot]

Yeah i’m gonna have to try that out once i get out of school

[solid pivot]

... 👀

Smells good

[wide zealot]

Oh? ;o

[solid pivot]

Dont you think?

👃

I am cooking something fine again

And its not meth

[wide zealot]

Ooh noice

[ornate zealot]

Aw

[solid pivot]

👀

👃 👃

Smells very good

[hard socket]

potatoe soup*
*soup made by a potatoe, not of potatoe

[ornate zealot]

Wow that’s

A lot of customizability

[solid pivot]

[outer timber]

Min value 100

Smells like cash register party

[solid pivot]

No real data yet, I am creating UI elements

Of course I know shit about custom moons

So you have to fill in everything yourself for them. Toggling the checkbox makes it override that value

So to remove an item from loot table, set rarity to 0 and check the item in the loot table

It will be clear what the checkbox does, as it will gray out the text element and replace it by the original value

And standard is all checkboxes deactivated

[keen widget]

that looks sooo good, it will be great for people who want to fine tune there modpacks difficulty levels

[solid pivot]

It wont reflect any other mods changing any of those values tho

I fill the standard planets with the vanilla values

And you can add your custom moons to the list

I can help you get the necessary data with the debug command on the portable terminal

debug moons
-> list of moons

debug moon [name]
-> info about moon

starting to layout the stuff now :)

[ornate zealot]

Would it be possible to show like a tooltip that describes what the option does whenever hovering the cursor over one?

[hearty frost]

I was like "ahhhh" when I first found it xD Really cute haha

[ornate zealot]

Just so it’d be more clear to the player what each of the options do?

[wide zealot]

Yeah it's a cute easter egg item addition

[trim lily]

wait did this switch again? because like 2 month ago solo was better, then a month ago helmet cam had like 20 more fps than solo, and now its solo ahead again?

[wide zealot]

I will say I like the way Flooded Maps are synced where the water just doesn't rise lol

[hearty frost]

Solo always had more FPS as it was intended that way. HelmetCam is more configurable i.e. furtherrender distance, cam fps, resolution.

[trim lily]

not always, at least before the big update , made multiple test and lately helmet was a bit better

[wide zealot]

I find Helmet Cams is better for render distance but the game performs like shit inside the ship

[trim lily]

did you set max fps at 15-20 ?

[wide zealot]

What's even the point then? You're gonna have slower cam updates compared to solos

[trim lily]

because when i tested this, i had like 10 more fps with helmet than solo, and the fps isnt that bad at 20

[hearty frost]

@trim lily If you want low fps/render but higher resolution Solo's do this. They updated a while ago to change resolution

[hearty frost]

Yeah because you reduced the cam fps by literally 10-15 fps

[wide zealot]

For me Solos runs great with the cam quality set to 320

and I like being able to not have laggy cams

Lol

The fps difference would only be while inside of the ship anyways, and I feel no fps difference with solos in or out of the ship

[hearty frost]

Bro wants that Atari expierence

[ornate zealot]

“Oh crap, a thumper just spotted them all the way down the hall, i should telepo-“

“Oh they died the next frame. Damn.”

[pulsar tangle]

btw thanks for the adapted "Save progress" option, much more understandable now

[trim lily]

your not really feelling if you look at the cam through the minicams mod in terminal (with darmuh) and trust me, im exigeant when we talkk about fps

[wide zealot]

Where as with Helmet Cams when you get near the ship the frames just die

[ornate zealot]

I don’t think sacrificing fps for render distance is that helpful

[wide zealot]

It also causes stutters in general I found, with solos the game runs smoother as a whole especially paired with AC's optimizations

[hearty frost]

I was just telling you why you have better performance lol. You're reducing Spec_cam by 15 frames, of course it's going to preformance better than another mod that's using 30 fps on cam

[wide zealot]

Having stable optimized mods goes a long way

[wide zealot]

Solos doesn't cap the fps of the cam to 30, you can tell

Solos is super smooth

[split mist]

Damn, Potatoe, this looks sick

[wide zealot]

it's just optimized

[trim lily]

yes but you couldnt edit fps in solo back in the days, so when playing with lower end pc players, those 15 fps make the difference

[earnest lichen]

Huh I’ll have to change to solos. Been using helm cams for awhile. After testing ofc

[hearty frost]

You don't need to change fps in Solo's it's optimised, it runs flawlessly out of box.

[trim lily]

not for some people

[wide zealot]

The only change you need for solos

[hearty frost]

You're the first person I have hear say this. I ran lobbies with both cam systems and every say expierence was smooth with Solo's over HelmetCam :/

This was all AMD/Intel/Nvidia systems

[ornate zealot]

I’m guessing that the helmetcam option is just higher than the bodycam option

[wide zealot]

I legit have a friend that runs on what you would consider a potato laptop and Helmet Cameras would overheat his laptop, solos he has 0 problems

[split mist]

Someone show me what Solos is, I haven't heard of this but if it's a better Helmet Cam alternative I'm interested

[hearty frost]

I had similiar friend, they said when I was running HelmetCam the game just started to die for them when inside ship especially.

[split mist]

I haven't used Helmet Cam specifically cuz I know people were having performance issues even with beast PCs

[wide zealot]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/CapyCat/Solos_Bodycams/

[split mist]

Poggies

My truck dweller friend's gonna love this

[wide zealot]

By default the quality is 160, setting it to 320 in the config doubles it and makes it look as good as Helmet Cams with quality set to 4

[split mist]

Gets the horror experience watching us from inside the ship

[hearty frost]

It's a huge difference for people with potato systems 😄

[wide zealot]

I have a high end system and Helmet Cams would lag the ship for me lmao

[split mist]

My only gripe: It says it replaces the internal ship camera, does that mean there's no way to view the ship camera anymore? Cuz ghost girl lurking outside on the ship camera is something I do actively like to be able to see

[wide zealot]

I think Helmet Cams conflicts with Cozy Improvements as well cus the screen flickers constantly with the lights off with Cozy

Solos has 0 conflicts

[hearty frost]

Ow wow I never thought it would make that much of huge difference fairplay, was interesting that stuff like Emotes being loaded etc also impact performance by a suprising amount too 😛

[hearty frost]

I think both HelmetCams and Solo's replaces internal cams

[earnest lichen]

Yeah I built new pc but I couldn’t really tell the difference but it’s possible it’s affecting the guys I play with. I’ll have to test that later

[trim lily]

i actually play with potatoe pc player and they run smooth with helmet at 30 fps at 256x256 , i think the switch from solo to helmet happenend around this update, in case you didnt tested since

[earnest lichen]

You can still see the other cams. There just on the smaller monitors.

[trim lily]

but its been a while so i will redo some test with solo after

[wide zealot]

Helmet Cams probably affects me more cus I stream while playing the game lol

[split mist]

You stole Potatoe's PC? Leak Advanced Company secrets rn

[earnest lichen]

[split mist]

[hearty frost]

I actually never thought of that, group I was testing with we were all streaming too.

[trim lily]

nah its secret

[split mist]

Dammit

[keen widget]

Really? Helmet cams has little to no effect for me even while streaming- and i turned the settings to make it 1024x1024 and like 45 fps with 30+ render distance

[wide zealot]

I think part of it like I said is I use CozyImprovements and it appears to conflict with it

[keen widget]

i use that as well?

[trim lily]

might be unique to different config, its not an exact science

[wide zealot]

No idea then

[hearty frost]

What's your specs?

[wide zealot]

Could be some other mod in my list conflicts with it

[keen widget]

havent had issues so far so idk it seems weird, and yeah it could be as easy as a config difference

[earnest lichen]

How many mods you using

[wide zealot]

I know I had it set to 1024x1024 at 35 fps lol

50

[keen widget]

my gpu is a 3060 and my cpu is an intel i7-12700k, i have 111 mods in the pack i use currently

[wide zealot]

That's funny cus I have a 3060 and i9-12900k XD

[keen widget]

LMAO, idk it literally could be something as simple as different config files at that rate?

[earnest lichen]

Hmmm strange

[wide zealot]

Probably

[hearty frost]

There's jsut no way.

[keen widget]

that cpu definitely smokes mine so idk what was up with that

[wide zealot]

My current mod list

[keen widget]

and wdym

[hearty frost]

Having that many mods alone, is tanking performance ngl. When I say tank, I don't mean game running like shite so to speak 😛

[keen widget]

im consistently still over what i would assume is considered decent fps, i dont think i ever dip below 60 and it normally hovers fairly high

[hearty frost]

Run the game without all that and compare performance, I am actually intrigued! When ever you're bored anyway let us know! 😄

[hearty frost]

I am around 120-150 fps Avg on a 5600x & 6550Xt

There's a good comparision for you 😛

[earnest lichen]

I9-13900k/3080. I should have consider my friends who may or may not have potatoe builds when making my mod pack.

[keen widget]

yeah i was thinking 120 sounds more accurate

but ik i havent had any major dips beyond 60 even when things were getting hectic

[hearty frost]

You should be getting WAY higher than me to be honest, your system is much more meaty than mine 😛

[keen widget]

and that was when i was pushing it

i dont actually monitor it closely

to be fair

ill have to get a more accurate look for you

when i hop on next

[hearty frost]

Solars got a FPS counter if you don't have one installed

PerformanceEnhancer I think mod is called

[trim lily]

or just use steam overlay

[trim lily]

and you also have a modlist of only 60mods

if the dude is at 100+, for sure it wiill be more laggy

[hearty frost]

That is what I was saying. That the 111 will be tanky for some systems.

[wide zealot]

I used to have over 60 mods, but since have lowered the mods I had to make the game more stable

[keen widget]

The game can be slightly unstable sometimes but for the most part it runs smooth

[hearty frost]

Stability is always better. No point having 100 mods when you game crashes 1 hour into the run because someone can't run the pack 😛

[wide zealot]

After I did a collab stream recently and shit kept breaking lol

[keen widget]

with the acception of occassionally having to restart the lobby

[hearty frost]

Not saying anything against you @keen widget 😛

[wide zealot]

cus of some mods getting updated

XD

[keen widget]

no no i get that, but the worst ive had happen so far is a lobby restart after 3 hours plus gameplay

no game crashes so far luckily

[hearty frost]

3 hours ain't too bad for that many mods tbh!

[violet hemlock]

I got AdvancedCompany item names conflicting with lethalthings item names in the terminal store. Any way to fix it ?

[hearty frost]

Use Portable Terminal.

[violet hemlock]

Never thought of that thank you

[keen widget]

honestly i expected my entire game to crash sometimes it takes me over 5 minutes for it to even actually load to where i can select to get into online mode..

[trim lily]

whaat lmao do you have like 50 custom moons or what

i have 100 mods with around 20moons and it doesnt take more than 1min30

[keen widget]

i definitely got a lot of them lolll, and ive also been throwing in like every new interior i see as it comes out

[solid pivot]

Looking a lot better now

[trim lily]

yea same, btw is there more than scp scoopy and backroom rn? i heard about an aquarium

[keen widget]

under the mod releases tab just this morning i believe someone released a mod beta for LC_Office as a custom interior

There is one called scarletmansion that spawns i think only on rend and dine

[wide zealot]

I probably won't ever use the Backrooms mod, I've seen people use it and the flickering just makes me feel sick looking at it

[keen widget]

that is actually gonna be killer

[trim lily]

flickering?

[wide zealot]

Yes

[keen widget]

was about to ask the same thing

[trim lily]

what do you mean

[keen widget]

idk what you mean by that unless you just mean the regular lighting of the backrooms?

[wide zealot]

The lighting in the backrooms constantly flickers

it causes eye strain for me and nearly gives me a headache

[split mist]

Valid tbh

I tried it out before it had a monster and it was just boring as hell

[keen widget]

i have yet to experience that? it looks like the backrooms does in other games ive seen it displayed it

[solid pivot]

Will be sooo long, have to think about some other way to select moons tbh

The scroll area will be sooooooo long

Outside Enemies and Inside Enemies are missing in this screenshot

[split mist]

Do you have the Smiler set to spawn in the config? It causes vision static and flickering when nearby

[keen widget]

Ohhhhhhh if that was what you meant, i noticed the static but i didnt notice the flickering much

[trim lily]

yo devil mansion look sick, you know if its stable?

[split mist]

From what I hear it's stable but incompatible with MoreInteriors atm

LLL has a fix coming soon

[wet lagoon]

Could there be a starting credit setting?

[split mist]

It also can't be put on custom moons, yet

[solid pivot]

In the moons settings? No

[split mist]

Since it only has one fire exit spawn

[keen widget]

Yeah it was working fine before I added MoreInteriors, idk that i could trust that judgment tho bc i only got one run through of it

the MoreInteriors thing started taking priority over it it seems? idk exactly how it works

[trim lily]

but if you only use more interiors oin vanilla moons and devil mansion on modded you should be fine ?

[hearty frost]

MoreInterior and DevilMasnion loaded together is currently incompatible.

It causes major desync even if you get it working, one player might get one interior and another will get different.

[split mist]

Nope, they're currently completely incompatible if installed simultaneously

[trim lily]

which one would u guys recommend

[split mist]

And will crash if ScarletDevilMansion loads

[trim lily]

using with scp and scoopy

[split mist]

I recommend MoreInteriors atm only cuz its more customizable

[hearty frost]

And stable ._.

[split mist]

But SDM is really good too

[split mist]

I haven't tried it but from what I know SDM is very stable other than this one incompatibility

[hearty frost]

Sacarlet is only for Dine, Rend & Titan ATM too. There's that limitation as well.

[split mist]

It works alongside LLL now and is fine

Yeah, that's mainly what I meant by more customizable

[keen widget]

Brother your mod is a godsend, you have packed so many different things into this, and i love how customizable you are trying to get things, and with the UI like that it will be much simpler then messing with it in files no matter how cluttered the UI could get

But the UI for it looks amazing so far

[hearty frost]

Yeah I use Scoopy and MoreInterior 😄

[keen widget]

and titan? i thought it was only rend and dine

[split mist]

SDM's dev says that they're gonna probably make it available on all maps soon, since IAmBatby said that it will work on other moons despite the fact that it only has one fire exit, it will just show the "Fire Exit blocked" message like LE users are familiar with

[hearty frost]

I might've misread config but I just was meaning it's limited to where you can generate right now.

[split mist]

Yeah, Rend/Dine are the main maps and Titan has a small chance

All configurable

But you can't add new maps atm

[hearty frost]

I could understand it working, the blocked exits are a thing - would be REAL nice if they have it for all moons. :3

[keen widget]

i kind of like the idea of the blocked fire exits, like them saying they are blocked, makes things hectic if you are trying to leave, like oh shit, is this going to be a mimic door, a fire exit, or is it going to be blocked off??

[split mist]

Well blocked fire exits are only for going in

Not leaving

[hearty frost]

^

[keen widget]

yeah ik so like you are trying to leave and it says blocked, like oh shit gotta find a new door

its hectic and cool

i like it

[hearty frost]

There's a mod that blocks main entrance from exiting if you want that kind of thing I think! 😄

Haven't tried it though :S

[split mist]

But either way I don't mind if some of the Fire Exits are blocked on March or modded maps, no biggie to me

I just wanna try out SDM

But currently Rend/Dine are my dedicated SCP maps

And SecretLabs

[keen widget]

been there once and it was beautiful but honestly im prolly just gonna wait until everything is hopefully updated to work together

[split mist]

Yeah, it should work next LLL patch according to Batby

[keen widget]

I solely leave the SCP dungeon to spawn on Secret Labs

I think its fun that way

[split mist]

Essentially MoreInteriors is using some fucky code that causes its stuff to load inside of SDM, which doesn't work properly

It actually loads inside of the other interiors too, but apparently those interiors happen to have the files MoreInteriors is looking for

[wide zealot]

Rend and Dine are my favorite maps as a whole

[split mist]

SDM doesn't

[wide zealot]

Titan I feel is honestly overrated

[split mist]

I used to hate Rend until I found out about the cut between the mountains behind the shack in the woods

Now it's a fav of mine

[wide zealot]

I'd like Titan more if it was set up better so dogs and giants don't camp the stairs and the ship

It's annoying

Also hate the stupid facility layout

[split mist]

I find Dine overrated cuz everyone just goes for the fire exit q-q

[keen widget]

personally i prefer bikini bottom

[wide zealot]

Mansion is so much better

[split mist]

I really like the Facility layout after the recent updates, but its not perfect

[hearty frost]

I can confirm this xD I tried Forcing Scarlet to work and ended up with some incredibly funky results like this

[wide zealot]

Same but I don't like it on the Tier 3 planets I mean

[hearty frost]

Dine Ez loot 😄

[split mist]

Fair, big and easy to get lost in lol

[keen widget]

anyone else seen the recent updates to the bikini bottom map? everywhere is on fire EXCEPT the chum bucket, IT WAS ALL PLANKTONS FAULT

[wide zealot]

Titan is the highest tier planet yet has Facility spawn more than Mansion which makes 0 sense lol

[split mist]

With my mods, I just make everything possible to spawn on Titan

Titan is the "I have no clue what the fuck I'm getting into" planet

[wide zealot]

Rend is a goated planet lol

[split mist]

Rend is underrated

[keen widget]

honestly i try to make it to where pretty much any of the interiors have a small chance of spawning anywhere (exception for SCP Dungeon, which only spawns on Secret Labs and always spawns)

[wide zealot]

but Dine has the same shortcut to main basically which is why I love them both

[split mist]

My favorite planet including mods is probably Orion though, just such a cool planet and the right balance of distance to ship vs enemies outside

[keen widget]

i like to have as much variety in my gameplay as possible, i think its cool going to any planet and having the chance of any interiors spawning in

[hearty frost]

I love acidir and ether as far as modded moons go ❤️

[wide zealot]

The only reason I think I hated Orion the first time I tried it is cus LethalExpansion is a shitty bloated dependency lol

It caused so many bugs

[split mist]

Acidir is dope and I can't wait to put ScarletDevilMansion on it

[split mist]

Did you try with LECore? That fixes basically everything

I've had zero compat issues with LE, LECore and LLL all installed

[wide zealot]

Peaches_Castle btw is a high recommendation for childhood memories

[keen widget]

I love peaches castle but i hope the dafis moon modpack updates the version they have soon

[solid pivot]

Will head to bed now btw :3 Just so you know.

[keen widget]

bc when i have dafis moons installed i cant get the newest version of peaches castle to load

[hearty frost]

Fairwell and goodnight! 😄

[split mist]

I know you hate the Facility layout but y'all should go check out the USC Vortex mod as well, very cool WIP planet that may have a custom interior later down the line
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/RedHuskyStudios/USC_Vortex/

[solid pivot]

thx

[wide zealot]

Sleep well Potatoe get the good rest

[split mist]

Gn potatoe!

[hearty frost]

Did you get this working with MoreInterior? found it softlocks for me :S or okay now?

[split mist]

I haven't had any issues but I haven't tried to spawn MoreInteriors on USC Vortex

I recommend just leaving it the default Facility layout as it has cool sfx and vfx for that layout specifically

[keen widget]

Sleep well, we need your genious brain well rested to keep this amazing mod going in such an awesome direction

[split mist]

Which may be why it doesn't work

[keen widget]

love the perks system and everything about it

[hearty frost]

It really does look really cool tbh,

[split mist]

Yeah, I normally don't like the Facility much either but it feels unique on this map despite being the same assets

Cuz they use special lighting and background sfx

Plus unique scraps which is always a good touch

It's genuinely amazing how far modded layouts and moons are coming already so shortly after release

[hearty frost]

I did download all the stuff to do it but never got round to it, I wish I had more patience. I kind of a geometry editor and enjoy making levels to some extent but never used unity :<

[split mist]

Mhm, I'm working with Noosh on getting the Spooky's House of Jumpscares stuff converted over so we can make that a reality

Very little progress made so far tbh but still excited for it

[hearty frost]

ooooo that sounds fun! One thing I am looking out for is spooky moons

[wide zealot]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FaithfulPatientCroquetteCoolCat-T9fmSeXlCCZgq5RH my reaction btw lol

[trim lily]

anyone know if control company/EvilPlayer Imposter iare compatible together and+ with AC LEC and all the mandatories?

[hearty frost]

Find out 😄

[hearty frost]

I had such a dumb reaction I was just shouting potatos every few seconds then about 5 mins later I clicked on xD

[wide zealot]

XD

[hearty frost]

It didn't even click to me first that it was literally Potatoes Potato 😛

[wide zealot]

Lmao

[trim lily]

if you dont know just say it lol, did any of you guys tested it yet?

[hearty frost]

I am saying be that person and find out

[trim lily]

and i am asking to other people before

[hearty frost]

Ah I get you

[wide zealot]

You know I wouldn't be surprised if the conflict Helmet Cams has btw would be with GeneralImprovements in some way since GeneralImprovements adds all those nice new ship monitors

[keen widget]

would any of you know the mod that pairs with spectate enemies to allow you to speak through enemies after you die? control company is cool and all but wayyyy to overpowered for my liking

[hearty frost]

I disabled the sync button for monitors, that helps with me with some stuff

[wide zealot]

I love the GeneralImprovements additions, I do know for sure it conflicts with BetterItemScan if FixPersonalScanner is enabled though

[hearty frost]

I just stopped using Cameras alltogether in general though because of a person with slow pc 😦

[hearty frost]

This is also true aswell!

[trim lily]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Quixler/DeadAndBored/

[hearty frost]

I keep it off in general because if scrap is clipped in level sometimes it wont scan the node too

[split mist]

Lmaooo

That's hilarious

[keen widget]

THANK YOU IVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR DAYS

so much love going your way rn fr

[hearty frost]

This is actually a genuinely funny mod xD

[split mist]

Wonder if it works alongside Control Company

Just start running at your friends as a Thumper yelling "CMERE BOY"

[trim lily]

might try later

anyone know a mod like EvilPlayer Imposter that don't work around the clipboard?

[keen widget]

i believe control company lets you talk through the creature you spawn already?

you just have to use push to talk

[split mist]

Oh does it

I didn't see that on the page but I was scrolling quickly

[wintry quail]

Uh you type into the terminal in the ship to access perks right?

[hearty frost]

I found out something interesting I think? Don't know if it's just because of IntroTweaks, nothing printed in console/log about it. If I load the modpack without LC_API (Which nothing depends on it) I get long version mismatch number as version number. But when I add in LC_API it corrects the version number and fixes mismatching version numbers.

[hearty frost]

No moved to portable terminal, press x ❤️

[wintry quail]

Ah appreciated

[hearty frost]

You're welcome

[keen widget]

how did you get the version to say that it was your modpack like that?

[hearty frost]

@keen widget

So it looks like this for example

[keen widget]

That is so simple but actually so sick

it really doesnt take a lot to impress me lmao

[hearty frost]

Makes the menu clean again :3 Also you can change font size which is nice too (of footer)

Although ignore the alignment, I disabled all the menu alignment in IntroTweaks

I know someone with OCD gonna look at my menu and be like why's it not center xD I know it will bug a few people I play with hha

[wide zealot]

I don't recommend IntroTweaks tbh, it's always caused problems for me

[hearty frost]

Why I was curios to why LC_API fixes it back

[split mist]

Yeah idk if it's compatible now but I've heard IntroTweaks can break stuff with certain other mods

[split mist]

Granted, that was a while ago

[wide zealot]

It still breaks things

I tried it recently lol

[hearty frost]

without LC_API I get the mismatch version numer

which I found interesting

but nothing in log for me about it which is even more strange

[wide zealot]

I won't use LC_API

Causes more issues than it's worth

Good idea on the surface but poor execution

[hearty frost]

Opposite for me :S for multiplayer anyway, solo I just turn it off. 😛

Also handy to check if other clients are being naugty with mods 😛

[wide zealot]

I don't use it and I've had no issues lol

[hearty frost]

No for me I am saying 😛 It's solved some issues for me 😛 even though nothing really uses it 😛

[split mist]

LC_API had some weird connection issues but I was able to fix em with config

Otherwise have had no issues

[hearty frost]

^

if I am running solo I wont bother with it but if I am making lobbies I use it 😛

[wide zealot]

All I know is I avoid it cus I usually see people in this server say to avoid it at all costs

[hard socket]

Possible Advanced Company equipment accessory: Bandolier taking chest slot, for better shotgun ammo management? 🤔

[split mist]

Could be neat, I'd have it be a chance drop from Nutcrackers instead of another shop item

[hearty frost]

Yes and yes yes! Was saying to Potatoe other day if we can get like an ammo sash or something for chest, I also said if it can autoload shotguns :3

[wide zealot]

From what I can tell it doesn't really have a benefit anyways, and AC has a detection now for network mismatching and stuff if people are missing mods that they need

[hearty frost]

I feel the same about shotgun ammo the same I feel about keys.

[hearty frost]

Again I am using it to fix some issues for my pack. I.e. Version misprints and Checking client mods.

[split mist]

Yeah idk, works fine for me, I can see removing it if it doesn't but meh

[wide zealot]

Yeah, but usually version misprints and stuff are caused if some people add mods like say for example a model replacement mod when others don't use it and if anything it usually causes the person using it to crash if the host doesn't have it XD

[hearty frost]

My issue doesn't apply to you or anyone else ._.

[wide zealot]

but AC added checks to not let people join the lobby and tell them the mods that cause issues now

[hearty frost]

This is not the same thing as what I am using it for.

I don't care if someone can't join, I care if someone joins with an xray mod.

Also like I said, it fixes my version misprint.

[split mist]

I have a couple mods that need it as a dependency anyways, so shrug

[hearty frost]

Really? 😮 What's still using it?

[split mist]

Currently, Motion_Tracker and PolaroidCamera

Though Polaroid hasn't been working lately recently

[hearty frost]

ooooo Yeah I am waiting for polaroid to get fixed myself, such a cool mod though.

[split mist]

Same, I just kept it installed and tell my friends not to buy it

[hearty frost]

Haha xD Set its price to 999999999 and say good luck to them! 😄

Motion Tracker is cool though, real AVP vibes :3

[split mist]

Mhm. Not very good per se, but it's cool

[hearty frost]

only thing I was like disappointed by which is silly.. I was expecting it to do the beeping like AVP xD

the sonar pulse sound thing

[split mist]

That's valid tho, immersion

I wish it could predict enemies that are gonna spawn out of vents

that'd be dope

[hearty frost]

and detect map hazards!

😄

Like Company Creatures

Still best mod to date :3 Reynolds xD

Dunno if silly question but does DissoLagFix still help with audiopipeline? Or doesn't matter anymore when you've got an audio overhaul installed etc

When trying it I notice it changes it's logging but can't afford if audio is still lost as VOIP seems to get priortised

[wide zealot]

You don't need it if you use Skinwalkers

Skinwalkers includes it

[hearty frost]

Got you thank you, I didn't actually know this!

[wide zealot]

Idk if other mods do though

[ember jungle]

for it to be stolen they would have had to use an asset that you made or plagiarize your code; did that happen?

[opaque plank]

You mean the zap gun?

[ember jungle]

No

[opaque plank]

I'm not talking about AC either.

[ember jungle]

This is the AC chat

[opaque plank]

Lethal Things has Power Outlet weapon which uses StormyWeather for lightning.

[keen widget]

is companycreatures working properly? for some reason when i tried it the other day it completely fucked my mod files and config files, could not hear anyone and for some reason my mic didnt wanna register

[hearty frost]

It's been working for me, spawns on them can be a little weird with custom interiors but not run into to VOIP issues myself. Only issue I've had with it is the default infection time is so long, so I put it to like10 seconds

[keen widget]

im guessing it is easily configurable on the time it lasts and spawn rates and stuff?

[ember jungle]

is it internally called LightningRod?

[opaque plank]

There's no lightning rod in their source so if anything, it's just how the asset's called.

[ember jungle]

interesting

[hearty frost]

Yeah you can config chances of infection/spread, time of infection and amount of them that spawn min/max etc

[lost python]

Is it known that custom moon prices do not get implemented when LLL is present?

EDIT: After re-testing, it's a FALSE ALARM! The internal moon names just changed for some of the moons!

i will be testing more to see if it isn't just me mismatching internal moon names

[hearty frost]

Can confirm true, just checked. Good spot!

[lost python]

I only discovered it cause secret labs transferred to LLL on the latest updates

[hearty frost]

Doesn't work on LE moons as well as LLL moons whilst LLL is present

I said wrong sorry

😛

[hallow mortar]

I had issues with the cost of a moon not deducting from my funds when routing

[lost python]

For those who are most likely using these moons, here's the internal moon names

I will now re-test if LLL actually breaks custom moon prices

[hearty frost]

Ether and Etern show as those names internal in my console?? D: and I thought it's bad to put spaces in? I thought we meant to use "-"?

[lost python]

well

[hearty frost]

i.e. secret-labs

[arctic sonnet]

For price changes you must be 100% accurate with the internal name, no?

[lost python]

I'm pretty sure yes

that's why those moons have spaces instead of -

[arctic sonnet]

then look up the heckin' internal names of your moons @hearty frost -w-

[hearty frost]

No I am saying Etern and Ether both show in console as those names for me

[lost python]

same with celest, aquatis, and orion

[arctic sonnet]

as in - in bepinex console?

[lost python]

but apparently, it's not that case anymore

[hearty frost]

Ah this makes more sense!

[lost python]

ok so LLL doesn't break the custom moon prices

[hearty frost]

in logs of the loader produced from Bepin yeah

[lost python]

something like this for Aquatis, Orion, and Celest is in the mod page so I tried it

and it worked

[pure jasper]

Is there a setting that I missed that will allow you to not lose scrap on full wipes?

[lost python]

i will try with the dash

[lost python]

loot saver ship perk

[pure jasper]

ty

[lost python]

you can configure it as you wish

max level is 90% of scrap kept after wipe by default

@hearty frost this works too btw

so dashes will work

you just have to know the internal moon name

[hearty frost]

Ah but we don't have to put the dashes though? I thought this whole time I had to :S

[lost python]

ig it's better to have it dashed instead of spaced ig (i do recall smth along those lines before)

[hearty frost]

Ah okay thank you very much! ❤️

[lost python]

if dashing somehow stopped working well idk

but yeah from now on i will do the dash

[hearty frost]

Sweet I will stick to using dashes just incase! 😄

[lost python]

TL;DR: LLL has no issues with AC's custom moon prices based on testing

👍

[hard socket]

One hurdle playing with a large group of players that mostly aren't very good is the vast majority of scrap income goes towards continually re-equipping everyone

[lost python]

truly a multiplayer moment

even in a friend group

one silly "it'll be funny if..." will be a game ender

[hearty frost]

Can I double check I am getting the right internal name because I swear I had different numbers before but now different (same as yours) Have you got "Ether" ? as 86-Ether?

[lost python]

(oh yeah ignore those scrap values, I am trying to have a sense of progression by playtesting which has the easiest risk and highest risk + low reward and high reward)

[lost python]

if Ether doesn't work, go try 86-Ether yes

I don't have the Ether mod but if it follows this convention then it should act the same

[hearty frost]

sweet thank you ❤️

[eternal mauve]

i pinged potat, oof :(

[lost python]

it's fine

I edited it so that he will most likely see it when he comes on

[patent wolf]

advanced company doesnt seem to work for me?

cant even type in perks

[meager cradle]

If you're trying to access perks, use the AC terminal (hit x)

[patent wolf]

OH

warent they reset?

nevermind

they warent

[lost python]

Most, if not all, AdvancedCompany related stuff are accessible through the new portable terminal

[patent wolf]

my friends told me for sure it was broken 😭 😭

[lost python]

they didn't read the changelogs

[meager cradle]

If you did all of your set up for perks and items thru the Config files, that no longer works
You'll need to configure it on one of the presets in-game

[patent wolf]

oh nevermind they actually were reset for us 😭

any way to get them back?

[lost python]

nah

normally anyway

[eternal mauve]

you can use cheats to get em back, i believe the command is xp [playerNumber] [xpAmount]

[arctic sonnet]

Your friends don't research enough to dig into discord ;p ... also now that they mention it, @solid pivot the "Details" section on thunderstore could use a touchup/rework. I'd... ask if I could assist or do the changing there myself, but I have 0 clue what you'd wanna feature on the page o ,o

||Trust me - I too thought the darn mod broke till I dug into here and saw what potatoe was doin'||

[modern temple]

Is lethal resonance working for anyone else right now?

[vagrant python]

Am I crazy or is the Tactical Helmet missing from the config?

[clear thunder]

I was able to change the price in the ingame config before lunching the game.

[vagrant python]

Perfect
Thank you

All I needed to hear

[eternal mauve]

LethalResonance dev said theres a new bug with one of the tools it uses

A lot of sound mods shouldn't be working right now

[ornate zealot]

It seems like using this mod on a custom moon just breaks it entirely, essentially making it useless

when landing on a custom moon, the bodycam freezes in place in whatever position the player it was spectating before was in

[eternal mauve]

when was this tested?

[ornate zealot]

just now

with the latest version

[eternal mauve]

Damn. I'm currently using Helmet_Cameras and it seems to work fine for me.

[eternal mauve]

How sure are we about this?

and does this only trigger when looking at someone elses camera/only when looking at your own camera and getting the infinite effect, or...?

[split mist]

It's definitely a thing. Solos Bodycams is supposedly much more stable. It seems to especially impact streamers

[turbid stratus]

For some reason when I type perks nothing appears

[hearty frost]

Press X, it's all on portable Terminal.

[trim lily]

so i remade my whole list, deleted cache, even switch to thunderstore, i still can't host a game i get mismatch error, but i can join my friend that have the exact same list (that i just sended to him) its the most weirdest shit

[turbid stratus]

Thanks

[modern temple]

fixed it

I deleted this file. C:\Users[NAME]\AppData\Roaming\Thunderstore Mod Manager\DataFolder\LethalCompany\profiles\Default\mods.yml

delete that an let it rescan you mods at launch. it should make lethal resonance work again

[eternal mauve]

Interesting. By the way what exactly did you mean by it didn’t work? As in the sounds didnt load at all or just some certain ones?

[modern temple]

the sounds were not present

the default ones were

even with it enabled with just it, bepin, and the 2 required sound miods

that was the only thing that fixed it.

now working fine

[eternal mauve]

Ok. LethalResonance completely works for me, but some small files are missing that were there according the lethalres dev

[modern temple]

Just wanted to share in case others are having sound issues.

[keen cypress]

hello! I added some moons in the host config from LLL (secret-labs, atlas-abyss, and 10 EGypt) -- I was able to change what the price is listed as in the computer, but it doesn't seem to actually deduct any money when routing. Checking the config json it looks like they were put under a "free_moons" entry in moons section. should I be changing that to a different value? I couldn't find an option that looked reasonable to edit in the gui

[spice bison]

^to add to this, seems like the RouteRandom mod (configured to allow costlyplanets for free) conflicts with AC when you add custom LLL moons (telling you that you have to pay)

I tested it without AC and the RouteRandom mod works fine (even including the custom LLL moons in the random pool)

[keen cypress]

responding to this to say that after some more testing, it looks like routing to LLL moons is broken due to a bug introduced in v1.0.116: it works fine in 115 and earlier, in 116 I can't even select the moon from the terminal to route, and in 117 and 118 the moons are free regardless of what the config or ui say

caveat that I only tested LLL moons, dunno if it also affects LEC

[eternal mauve]

Cause it’s so good

And I want it as a separate mod

For my friends to log in and not want to leave the main menu

[eternal ivy]

No.

[eternal mauve]

Wdym no

(You can’t stop me)

[half wasp]

can you sound a clip of the main menu music?

I might know, but i wont know without hearing it

[ornate zealot]

yeah it's over

LECore apparently breaks solo's bodycams

[eternal mauve]

youre using it in your thing!

😁

ASFBAUFBSSUF

MY BAD potatoe!!!!

[half wasp]

Does the perk travel discount discount modded planet pricing as of yet?

just curious

[half wasp]

lmao thats why I was asking

[eternal mauve]

em. whats the best way to record sound in a game?

[wide zealot]

Solos has a more optimized implementation compared to Helmet cameras, so I think what the dev is saying there is that the dependency for custom moons or the mods themselves would need to support it.

I don't use custom moon mods so this doesn't affect me

[ornate zealot]

yeah that's what i mean

[wide zealot]

If Helmet Cams could be updated to have optimization that would be great

[ornate zealot]

yeah

[wide zealot]

The dev of that mod has said on their github they have limited knowledge and don't know how to optimise it though

[half wasp]

Sounds like he needs an extra team member

[frozen elm]

You have to plug the moons into the AC config window prior to starting a lobby. I tested the discounts this morning on my custom moons and it was all working

[split mist]

I actually don't believe you have to do that anymore either

I was testing some new planets I added and the perk worked on them

Was actually mildly annoying cuz I was trying to check default prices, but I just reset the perk

[swift merlin]

Is the tactical helmet a flashlight and walkie at the same time?

[ornate zealot]

it's a combo of the helmet lamp and the headset

[vagrant python]

I would provide logs if they actually saved
But I had someone join late no issues
A few days in, someone else tried to join and it crashed with items in the ship being desynced, similar to something someone posted yesterday

[earnest lichen]

Yes!

[frozen elm]

Well then xD

[trim lily]

also add a big desync today when leaving during a round and rejoingin, too many suit was axting crazy + a player lost part of his xp and we lost a bunch of equipment, mostly moded (helmet etc) i think

[dreamy temple]

is this a problem with LE/Core or LLL too

[ornate zealot]

I disabled all my mods besides LECore, the custom moon mods (Infernis, Acidir, Etern, Auralis), and Solo's Bodycams

and since solo says that the problem isn't on their part

i'm assuming it's LECore

especially since someone said that it works on EGypt, which is a moon that uses LLL

[dreamy temple]

I'm not trying to come off as rude but that doesn't actually answer my question 😭

ok cool

[ornate zealot]

yeah no dw

[sterile zenith]

last night we played with it and it was fine but today everyones having problems with perks

they're being shared between players for some reason

[solid pivot]

You must realize that this bug report isnt really giving me much information to find the error in the code. Its a codebase of well over 40k lines of code. All I can say with that little information: Maybe your bug will be fixed in the next version. I did change something regarding the networking.

• Fixed a bug with rehosting after dying breaking the scan
• Might have fixed a cause for desync with perks

These are two point of the upcoming changelog

So who knows

[sterile zenith]

im sorry but it isnt a bug report. its a complaint about a bug. theres no logic to how its breaking

im sorry i cant help you with figuring it out

[solid pivot]

Networking is tricky sometimes

[sterile zenith]

why isnt the perks directly tied to the player they belong to?

[solid pivot]

Especially trying to establish a solid foundation on a codebase like LC

They are :)

But all what assigns a perk to a player is a ClientID

And if that gets shuffled up somewhere

You end up with wrong perks

I found a part in the code which might be the reason behind this, but can't say if there is any other part which breaks it as well

But the next version will also feature a debug command with which you can provide me crucial information about your lobby state from different perspectives.

[stone elbow]

is it currently possible to increase the starting amount of inventory slots via config?

[solid pivot]

There is no such thing as a magical lobby floating in the interwebs. Lobby must be perfectly synchronized between all players.

[sterile zenith]

oh also someone was able to randomly hold 10 items at once for no reason, so i guess thats another vague bug for you to take note of

[eternal mauve]

Yep in game you can change the base inventory size to 400 percent

[solid pivot]

Most likely a mod conflict

Remove HotbarPlus and other inventory related mods

[eternal mauve]

What mods do you have installed?

[solid pivot]

That one with the Utility Belt, deactivate that as well

[sterile zenith]

we dont have any of those kinds of mods

[eternal mauve]

What do you have?

[solid pivot]

Give me your mod list :>

[sterile zenith]

hold on gotta get it from r2modman

BepInEx-BepInExPack-5.4.2100
Sligili-HDLethalCompany-1.5.6
anormaltwig-TerminalExtras-1.0.1
Straky-HotbarTweaks-1.0.1
FlipMods-LetMeLookDown-1.0.1
tinyhoot-ShipLoot-1.0.0
Sligili-More_Emotes-1.3.3
Suskitech-AlwaysHearActiveWalkies-1.4.4
TwinDimensionalProductions-CoilHeadStare-1.0.3
EliteMasterEric-Coroner-1.5.3
MassiveNewCoilers-FixCentipedeLag-2023.12.7
linkoid-DissonanceLagFix-1.0.0
boxofbiscuits97-QuotaRollover-2.2.1
taffyko-BetterSprayPaint-1.1.0
x753-More_Suits-1.4.1
A_Really_Big_Dog-Yakuza_Suits-1.1.0
ShaosilGaming-FlashlightFix-1.0.5
TeamClark-CombineEliteSuit-1.0.2
Evaisa-HookGenPatcher-0.0.5
Evaisa-LethalLib-0.13.2
Badham_Mods-SCPFoundationDungeon-2.0.1
Zingar-SecretLabs-3.3.2
MrHydralisk-EnhancedRadarBooster-1.5.4
IAmBatby-LethalLevelLoader-1.0.7
Ozone-Runtime_Netcode_Patcher-0.2.5
PotatoePet-AdvancedCompany-1.0.118
Rune580-LethalCompany_InputUtils-0.5.5

[solid pivot]

Nobody ever gave me a way to reproduce this error btw

HotbarTweaks is instantly pointing out

Not needed btw as I change the scroll speed to 0.1f

Which is reasonable to prevent desync

[sterile zenith]

oh.

[solid pivot]

More_Emotes can/will cause problems accoding to some with f'ed player models or smth?

I tried to fix the mod but well

[sterile zenith]

should probably ahve put it on the incompatible list then

[solid pivot]

Seems like it needs some more work

Whats the expectation here? That I go over all mods available and check them for compability?

[swift merlin]

there is something wrong here XD

[sterile zenith]

it seems like you already checked though

[solid pivot]

FlashlightFix also not needed

I just checked the code rn

I am just very fast

[sterile zenith]

fair

[solid pivot]

FlashlightFix is patching

    [HarmonyPatch(typeof(PlayerControllerB), "SwitchToItemSlot")]
    [HarmonyPostfix]

Might be the inventory culprit

[eternal mauve]

Interestin

[solid pivot]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PotatoePet/AdvancedCompany/wiki/1238-compability/

Added the mods to the incompatible list

[eternal mauve]

I think there are several other mods that do the same thing as flashlightFix but without bugs, ummm GI being one (is it still incompatible with AC?)

[solid pivot]

I also just degraded MoreEmotes

What is your aim at installing these mods?

AC is ensuring you will only ever have 1 flashlight active at all times

It prevents the light from turning to laser pointer when picking one up

It turns off flashlights which are on when you already have one active while picking them up

There are a lot of flashlight fixes integrated into AC. Main rule: You will only ever have 1 flashlight active at all times.

[solid pivot]

Can you tell me how to reproduce?

What mods do you have?

There shouldnt ever be the ability to put an non equipment item into equipment slots

I specifically check that

Btw there was a bug with the last version. More or less a bug

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Kittenji/LaserPointerDetonator/

Mods like these lead to a NetworkConfig Mismatch

When it didnt in Vanilla

Because this mod is doing something you shouldn't really do but well. My mod saw that change in the NetworkPrefab at runtime

It will now log it as a warning in the logs and still proceed to let clients join

Having a warning like "Mismatched Network Prefab: ..." in your log might hint at a mod causing desyncs and heavy networking problems

might

Its just information for further investigations

[sterile zenith]

are you sure there isnt a more consistent way to tie these things to each player?

is this mod open source?

[solid pivot]

No, and I don't feel comfortable giving rights to create derivates.

Or to make money off of my code.

[sterile zenith]

why would that happen

[solid pivot]

Open source is very specifically defined

[sterile zenith]

not really. you get to choose your own license for it

[solid pivot]

There is a very big difference between open source and source-available.

[sterile zenith]

i mean open source for the purpose of contribution

[solid pivot]

And I am not forced to publish my work under an open source license at all.

Nobody will contribute when I use Commons Clause as its not "Real open source"

Cant make money off of it, selling the mod on Patreon

I mean "Early Access" 👀

[pure jasper]

how do you purchase rocket botos and helmet lamps?

neither seems to work for buy command

[sterile zenith]

im going to be honest your view on these things sounds terribly misguided

but you do you

[stone elbow]

Is this the vanilla default value?

[solid pivot]

Yes

[stone elbow]

okay, thanks. the values threw me off

[solid pivot]

@pure jasper Try portable terminal

700s

Its not misguided, my open source projects were previously sold

lol

I created ModAPI for The Forest, way before stuff like BepInEx existed

[sterile zenith]

well, im sorry that happened to you

[solid pivot]

It was sold in the asian market

People finding out that its actually free software contacted me but what should I do? Learn chinese and advertise my ModAPI in chinese somehow and become known in China?

[sterile zenith]

i mean that kind of stuff tends to be outside your control anyways

[eternal mauve]

?

[solid pivot]

I dont have to make it easier for them.

Other point being: I want to use code of my mod in my own game

[eternal mauve]

Just want to make it clear this doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be stopped.

[sterile zenith]

yes it should be stopped

[solid pivot]

Its perfectly legal @eternal mauve

[sterile zenith]

but i feel wriitng off open source forever is not . a way to stop it

[solid pivot]

Commons Clause would prevent that tho

But thats not open source then

Its source-available

Because it prevents ANY commercial use

[sterile zenith]

why would it prevent it

i dont think your mod being stolen like that would be even stopped by being closed source

[solid pivot]

Because the commons clause state so. It would make it illegal to do so

[sterile zenith]

they'll just decompile it

or resell the mod without changing it

[solid pivot]

I am talking legal here

you cant ever prevent illegal stuff from happening

I thought we talked about licenses?

Those are legal documents

[sterile zenith]

yeah i know you're talking legal but your mods have never been stolen legally

[eternal mauve]

What happened in the Asian market iiuc was legal because it was open source

Right yea

[solid pivot]

What happened with ModAPI was legal

[sterile zenith]

it would only be legal if your license was allowing it

[solid pivot]

I couldnt even sue if I wanted (besides sueing in China. Well, good luck)

A license not allowing commercial use is not open source tho

[sterile zenith]

so you're saying that theres no way to write a license that allows open source contributions and the code being able to be used with credit and only for non commercial uses? evne though im 99% sure ive seen that exact type of license before?

[solid pivot]

Which one?

[eternal mauve]

Honestly I don’t see the problem, he just wants to make his own, uh, product, and he’s protecting it by keeping it closed source instead of going through law stuff or whatever

[solid pivot]

AGPL, GPL, LGPL, Mozilla, Apaache and MIT all allow commercial use

I am just keeping my copyright

Every author of a book, painter of a painting or coder of a program gets Copyright by the nature of creating a piece of work.

I can give up some of my exclusive rights by giving out my software with a license

But open source licenese all allow commercial use. If they dont, they are not considered open source

As I am the only one who could benefit from contributions

LGPL is often referred as "non commercial" falsely. It just forces you to publish the source code of your program as well (but only the parts you borrowed from open source and the changes you made)

It still gives you the ability to just sell it.

[sterile zenith]

well yess they all speak of commercial use but you can define selling exceptions

[solid pivot]

The presumption is, that, if there is a free version available, people will just get this one. But they might not know of the free version

As soon as you define stuff yourself regarding commercial use its not open source any longer

Its then source-available

Thats how the Open Source Initiative sees it.

And as I stated: I want to use parts of my code for my own game, commercially. My games source code will be source-available tho.

Maybe after I did that I make my mod source-available as well :)

[vagrant pebble]

for reference, everyone I've ever seen

GPL3 makes the entire project GPL3

not just the parts you use

if you have GPL3 code in your project, the entire project must be GPL3

[solid pivot]

Not if you create your own project only adding the DLL of the original

So you can just put a wrapper around it

And you can still just sell the original

[vagrant pebble]

do you have a source for that?

I can't find anything that points to that being true

[solid pivot]

You may convey verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice; keep intact all notices stating that this License and any non-permissive terms added in accord with section 7 apply to the code; keep intact all notices of the absence of any warranty; and give all recipients a copy of this License along with the Program.

You may charge any price or no price for each copy that you convey, and you may offer support or warranty protection for a fee.

[nocturne jungle]

Fun fact, part of the motivation for that licensing clause is that, if the GPLv3 library is a separate DLL, you can replace it with your own fork and as long as the binaries are compatible the end program should work

[solid pivot]

I do understand why its like that, for very popular open source software nobody would be willing to pay for a simple copy as they would find out about the original project

[stone elbow]

How do i look at the ship/player upgrades?

is there a command not listed in help?

[solid pivot]

Open portable terminal with X

[stone elbow]

oh shit, okay

i might have to rebind it

[solid pivot]

And point is

If you publish a work in open source you must feel comfortable enforcing it. This means legal costs

Nobody will help you in costs for enforcing your license. You have to sue.

Depending on the jurisdiction of course.

There is no international open source court which you can use for free and which has power to remove stuff from the internet.

And if somebody is hosting the stuff on their own server not complying to your liecense you will have a big legal battle ahead of you.

[wide zealot]

I ended up disabling it cus the update to GeneralImprovements tonight made the feature so buggy, it was scanning stuff in my inventory that I wasn't even currently holding in my hand

[solid pivot]

You will win it of course but if the other party doesnt have the money, you will pay the court costs anyway

[wide zealot]

The scanner shouldn't scan stuff you're holding anyways

[lost python]

Me when I can scan my crew's dead body 💀

I still don't know why you can do that

[solid pivot]

Or: You just publish under open source and dont really care about anyone not following the license. Which would mean public domain would be the better fit for you

or MIT

[vagrant pebble]

I dunno, nothing you are saying is necessarily wrong, I just don't see it as a deal breaker, since as a whole, open source software has greatly benefited the tech world

[solid pivot]

If my mod would be a library, I would go open source of course :)

But my mod isnt some kind of library which adds anything to the tech world

Its specifically designed for one game

The reuseability is very very limited

And I also dont want to publish stuff into open source just for the sake of being open source and to claim "I have so many open source projects" when in fact nobody find them helpful in any meaningful way

I just make Open Source the same shitshow steam is

Full of garbage

Steam tries its best to hide that from you tho. At least theres that and GitHub too

as those repos will just be at the end of the list due to lack of popularity

But why add something to the open source body if it wont be used by anyone ever?

[vagrant pebble]

for someone to learn from it

if they want to do something similar

[dreamy temple]

You can still learn from it

[solid pivot]

Then source-available would be enough :D

[vagrant pebble]

or know how you handled something

[wide zealot]

@solid pivot I love how people keep making a big deal about your mod not being Open Source when MoreCompany isn't open source either and noone says a word

[dreamy temple]

I think people don't understand that open source != public source

[solid pivot]

Open source is way more permissive

[vagrant pebble]

https://github.com/notnotnotswipez/MoreCompany

what

[solid pivot]

And its good that it is that

[vagrant pebble]

MIT license

[wide zealot]

Ah well it didn't have a link on the mod page

Lol

so I suspected it wasn't

[vagrant pebble]

I think some people just forgor

[sterile zenith]

i feel like this would be a bit less of a problem if you didnt call your mod the Most Stable

[solid pivot]

So he breaks his own license multiple times :3

[wide zealot]

He did that off of community feedback

[solid pivot]

1. License is not stated on the mod page
2. License is not packed with the mod

Or is it?

[wide zealot]

and AC is the most stable currently

I can confirm this from tests

[solid pivot]

No LICENSE in the mod :D

The mod you download on Thunderstore is Closed Source

The License isnt present

[vagrant pebble]

ok, but the source code for the mod, on github, is

so like

big woop

[dreamy temple]

seeing the source != how you can use it

[solid pivot]

If law would work that way, the world would be a better place

[dreamy temple]

open source doesn't just mean you can legally see it

[solid pivot]

But yea, somebody would have to prove that you didnt recompile it from Github when used with MITs permissions

[wide zealot]

I only hate things that are Closed Source if they come from a source that isn't trustworthy, I think Potatoe has proven he's more than trustworthy tbh

[solid pivot]

But if you got the mod via Thunderstore the License doesnt apply to your copy

[nocturne jungle]

All mods on Thunderstore are technically Source Available

[solid pivot]

Every Managed DLL is :D

Unless its obsfucated

[nocturne jungle]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/notnotnotswipez/MoreCompany/source/

Every mod on Thunderstore has decompiled source available to browse on the website

partly as a safety feature

[wide zealot]

Exactly

[sterile zenith]

i understand he's trustworthy but you gotta realize one of the first messages of his i saw in this channel was "i didnt test it"

i feel like this is the kind of mod that could use contributions. but like i said you do you

if i ever find the time to look into your mod and see how the perk to player assignment works i'll let you know if i can think of something that works better

[stone elbow]

is this normal?

[lost python]

no it should be full on your face and not halfway

[solid pivot]

Seems like a conflict to me

Does it work when you open it while crouching?

[stone elbow]

I can test

[pearl badge]

Does Lethal emotes api work on this mod such as (seeing your cosmetics like you can on more company)

[barren rover]

Is there anyway for the "Item_Name" to be a dropdown of all spawnable scrap in the game?

[solid pivot]

Nope, its unknown

If you add a mod to the game which adds scrap, it wouldnt show up there

[barren rover]

I have a mod-menu plugin i use with bepin-ex that is able to list all spawnable scrap on a side menu, though it does make the game run at like 4FPS

[solid pivot]

Show it to me working in the main menu plz :)

And working with modded scrap

[barren rover]

Oh true i havent tried the main menu yet

[solid pivot]

Lobby settings cant be changed/applied mid-game

This would be sync hell

Adding new stuff for AdvancedConfig :)

Might generalize it even more and make it easier to transfer messages with my NamedMessage abstraction

[barren rover]

I know i can spawn in modded scrap with it in-game

[barren rover]

Modded scrap that relies on lethalexpansioncore

[solid pivot]

I can do that in-game too

No biggie

Its biggie in main menu

That part of the library is btw something which might be good in open source as its a library with many uses for other games or mods. But would have to split it from the mod code

Which would mean more work as its in the Unity namespace rn

As I need it to be present in Unity as well :'D

[pearl badge]

Positively enjoying your mod. You have cooked with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[solid pivot]

When its matured I might split it

And release the AdvancedConfig part as Open Source

[barren rover]

Is it possible to be in-game, and then write to a list stored in a config file?

Then the names of all items could be accesible in the main menu too yea?

[solid pivot]

Oof

And then you delete a mod

And then people complain about scrap not spawning even tho they set it in the config

This is support hell

[barren rover]

it sounds kind of like a round-about way to do it, but if someone's trying to build an entire loot pool the ease of it seems kind of indispensable

[eternal mauve]

thats amazing

thank you so much

[barren rover]

Is there anyway to get like an exported list of all item-names. Like a text file just to make it personally easier, Typing them in is no problem, its just having to find the names of the items

[solid pivot]

Generic insanity

But when everything works I never have to write any json manually any longer nor add any synchronization stuff ever again for lobby config

[half wasp]

this is why I hate coding

[solid pivot]

I can just add a new field and everything will just work(TM)

Unless it doesnt, but thats a feature not a bug

[half wasp]

Hey man you do you, In my opinion you've already created one of the best mods for lethal

[solid pivot]

And I might add back file configs for the file config crowd with it later too

[half wasp]

Whatever you write Im sure itll work

like magic

[solid pivot]

I can add a description to every ConfigValue

and a constructor argument for every Configuration

Defining the name of the config file and the section the stuff is in or so

[obtuse cove]

The description is the only thing I miss from the file config. The info is not available in the UI

[solid pivot]

Then this one object can handle multiple situations.
Being a preset shown in the UI
Being a json object saved on hard disk
Being synchronized via Unity Netcode
Being saved in a BepInEx file

And all vice versa of course