Welcome to Ooblterra! v2.0.0

[lunar skiff]

Nobody said there wasn't?
People only mentioned the artstyle

[prime reef]

no one is even saying to change it

[obtuse raptor]

I mean the contrast in texture quality and poly count is very jarring. Some of the colour choices too. It makes sense in the context of the production but it's inconsistent in a way that isn't really intentional

[spiral walrus]

Why say it doesn’t fit then lol

So what

Don’t think the dev intended for it to “fit”

[prime reef]

because im free to comment what i want to?

[spiral walrus]

I’m getting conflicting messages here lol

[lunar skiff]

It just doesn't fit the style of lethal company, we just said it's not a negative thing lol

[prime reef]

yea

[lunar skiff]

All we said was it contrasted, but nobody called it bad

[spiral walrus]

Tbf you already had to touch his ai eventually with the class change

[lunar skiff]

And we said the rest looked really cool

[prime reef]

yea

[lunar skiff]

^^^ yea

[prime reef]

i think the colour choices are intentional

helps with the alien vibe

[spiral walrus]

I still think this moon looks better than all the other modded moons out currently

[prime reef]

well yea, cause it has its own scraps, dungeon, monsters and stuff

[obtuse raptor]

glad you said out currently
Egypt looks better cmon now but it's not a competition

[spiral walrus]

Does it though 😭

[prime reef]

Egypt looks ok

[spiral walrus]

It isn’t you right

[grim bridge]

it's literally subjective anyway

[spiral walrus]

I said I THINK

[prime reef]

really comes to preference

[spiral walrus]

No shit it’s subjective

Lmao

[lunar skiff]

Noop I don't mean to be rude but why do u sound so passive aggressive 😭

[obtuse raptor]

"level that is made out of assets made for a different game looks like it's from a different game" is a pretty self-fufilling opinion that is understandable and fair if it's not your vibe

[lunar skiff]

You immediately got really defensive and interrogative and are saying stuff like "no shit"

[grim bridge]

If you want me to pull back the curtain on intentionality:
-Me and my artists typically make low poly models
-A lot of these models are pulled from the game we made to begin with
-We could decimate all the geometry and clean it up if we wanted to but we all think it'd look really jarring so we didn't
-the colors are bright and obnoxious because I love attention and it reflects in my art

[spiral walrus]

Frustrated that what I’m saying is being misconstrued is all

[prime reef]

nice

[spiral walrus]

Mixed with being tired from sitting on my computer grinding a digital robot for like 7-9 hours

[lunar skiff]

...who misconstrued what you said 😭

[lunar skiff]

That's completely fair and the color choice thing is awesome

Once again I want to say, I never said your art or artstyle was bad

Just that I thought it was a bit off putting to have it contrast with the base game artstyle

[grim bridge]

No I understand it's not for everyone that is the cost of being uncompromising

[spiral walrus]

Also it is like personally kinda frustrating to see someone come into a devs thread and then go like “yeah I don’t think this fits the game”

Does that really add anything lol

[grim bridge]

personally I like the idea of this place being its own ecosystem and the art style reflecting it

[prime reef]

only thing is, i feel like its nit dark enough

[lunar skiff]

Staying true to your vision I respect that

[spiral walrus]

Feels like an obvious thing

[grim bridge]

they're entitled to their opinion and they're trying to give it in order to effect change

it's not going to happen this is way too fundamental of a thing to change

but it's what feedback is for

[spiral walrus]

It works yeah, entering the planet for the first time definitely feels very alien

[spiral walrus]

Not really constructive in this case but yeah

[obtuse raptor]

Are you looking for feedback on the art side of things?

[prime reef]

i never said for anything to change, i simply said it is a different art style, which isnt subjective there. Im free to comment

[grim bridge]

I mean if you have anything more granular than "the models are too low poly" sure I guess I'd love to hear it

[prime reef]

o

[grim bridge]

like I said, say whatever you want. but temper your expectations on what we might actually do

[lunar skiff]

I'm used to being talked down to when it comes to devving so I will say I appreciate your efforts to like, defend people

But you also like I said ended up really passive aggressive and came off rude, and when we said "it doesn't fit the game" it's not meant to be criticism or anything like that. It's simply meant to be a comment, about how the artstyle doesn't look the same as the original lc artstyle which comes off a bit off putting to us

[grim bridge]

I feel sifting through feedback and finding what's useful in it is the task of the designer in relation to his audience. just a philosophy thing

[spiral walrus]

I think what I’m trying to get across is that it not fitting the game helps distinguish it from the currently samey modded moons

[grim bridge]

one of the first things that you learn in gamedev is that players are very good at knowing when there is a problem but not what the problem is

[prime reef]

but some actualy ideas, maybe like “biomes” in the interior. Like its mainly red, but what if there is more of a bluish type area

[grim bridge]

Oh archetypes?

[prime reef]

yea

[lunar skiff]

(Also another thing, you come off Incredibly disrespectful yourself basically shaming all other modded moons for their art. Just letting you know)

[grim bridge]

you'll notice the floors tend to be different colors for some tiles. I'd flirted with the idea of sorting them into archetypes

[grim bridge]

them thinking the others are too samey and prefering this one for looking different is also their opinion and they're entitled to it

I think it's better directed at my fellow moon devs but im sure some of them lurk here

[prime reef]

yea

[grim bridge]

so yeah re: "biomes for the interior" i will actually probably implement this ahead of 0.8

[prime reef]

maybe a blue/purple posion type area, and a greenish, mossy overgrown forest area

[spiral walrus]

Only thing I can think of is that the lighting is a little too dark currently in my opinion

Like it’s kinda hard to distinguish shapes sometimes and also the lighting is so uniform that every piece of the interior feels the same if you understand what I mean

[grim bridge]

colored lighting is actually a no brainer cuz OYH (that's the game this is based on) was literally all about that

I kinda just made them all red because I have 2 (two) light prefabs

but I can definitely bias it by tile

[spiral walrus]

I feel like while walking around the lighting actually always feels the exact same and there’s not many “purposely dark” things

Which leads to it feeling almost like there’s a consistent sun object inside lol

[grim bridge]

Oh hey funny story

[serene crater]

yea i am

[prime reef]

yea i was thinking the same thing

[grim bridge]

I dont remember if I actually got rid of the sun shining into the facility lol

[obtuse raptor]

big preface that im not an artist by any means so like yeah i do be just a guy

the models are too low poly if you have time i do think it's worth experimenting with a still fairly low poly terrain mesh rather than the static one you have right now. The surface mesh lacks a lot of height based variety and the repetition in the terrain height i think is one of the bigger offenders for why oobl in particular feels inconsistent with basegame

Also I gotta playtest your new version for any noteworthy comparisons but i think with how much saturation is being used in the textures the amount of variety in the environment textures being used can make some of the areas feel a little overwhelming? this one is really down to preference but I think if you trimmed a few of the materials used and maybe playing around with reductions on some of the saturation it might help with how the player/eyes priorities whats important on the screen

And I could be totally wrong but some of the more notable textures and meshes have very notably different resolutions and tiling scales which feels a little jarring in a not good way

[grim bridge]

I think so

[obtuse raptor]

idk just brain thoughts feel free to ignore them

[serene crater]

I had a scrap in my inventory not hand if that changes anything

[grim bridge]

Eyesec will not attack if the scrap is in your inventory, in their current state

they have to see it

"Deep Scan" is one of the small experiments I will introduce at a later time

[lunar skiff]

The last point with different resolutions, thats a big thing I wanted to say but forgot to

[prime reef]

everything around you is bright, so there is no fear of the unknown

[grim bridge]

texel density my beloathed

[prime reef]

like imagine that one monster, the gannelosarous guy, forgot his name, in the dark with certain parts of his body glowing in the dark scaring you. Seeing him in the bright light right away gets rid of the scare factor.

[grim bridge]

Gallenarma

spike gorilla :)

[prime reef]

yea him

[spiral walrus]

@grim bridge so idk what you did lol but looking at the clip of the Frankenstein room for example, the light doesn’t really feel casted from the hanging light in the room

It more just feels like the entire room is lit up the exact same than corners being dark for example

[lunar skiff]

Ooblterras a really funny name btw was there any specific inspiration behind it

[spiral walrus]

Name of the region from his game iirc

That the moon was based off yadayada

[lunar skiff]

Well yea ik but That doesn't answer the question lol

[grim bridge]

I legitimately wonder if either A. I'm not setting the inside lighting properly or B. this is due to the color of the floor

[spiral walrus]

I know

But I’m just saying

[spiral walrus]

Except the floor doesn’t even look lit up either

[prime reef]

What if rather than using dark, for the fear of the unkown, you can use colored fog which might fit better with the art style

[grim bridge]

fuck of all the random trivia I remember from OYH's development I forgot why I called them "Oobl"

[lunar skiff]

Ooo?

[grim bridge]

it was just kind of a fittingly alien name

[lunar skiff]

LOL

[grim bridge]

weird to say out loud

[lunar skiff]

Fair ngl

[spiral walrus]

It feels more A cause like the room actually looks like it’s outside in the same lighting that the outside uses

[prime reef]

dont make the fog so its right in front of you, like foggy weather condition, but a few yards away

[spiral walrus]

Like it feels very similar

[grim bridge]

yeah i really wonder if that's the problem there

it's weird cuz I do have specific code setting the inside lighting im almost certain

[spiral walrus]

The starting room feels kinda different but idk what’s with the rest of the map

[obtuse raptor]

probably

audioreverbtriggers go skrrrt powwww

[grim bridge]

RIGHT

I dont think I ever actually put in the audioreverbtrigger

that might be exactly it

[obtuse raptor]

did you know if u dont have the one in the sky and you jump out the ship the ship screen just dies for the host

[grim bridge]

dude I was sitting here wracking my brain wondering why the tiles looked so much better in the editor

I wonder if that's why

[spiral walrus]

But yeah sorry lol idk I had a moment I think but I’m chilling now (I think)

[grim bridge]

anyway keep em coming I fucking love feedback if y'all have any commentary on something especially the game design feel free to throw it at me

[spiral walrus]

Skull im gonna be honest I got ZERO work done on the enemy stuff today lmao

[grim bridge]

that's fine its my project lmao

[spiral walrus]

I got blindsided by the fact gauss prime came out today

[grim bridge]

I've been gunning it on the frankenstein stuff and im so happy I did

[spiral walrus]

Tbf I’m invested in making it into a more usable thing for others later so it’s less affecting your project more just me being lazy lol

[prime reef]

also im not sure if u finished it, prob not. But when u click the buttons, some audio would be nice

[grim bridge]

Oh yeah def

[prime reef]

like when reiving the player, some lighting stuff would be sick

[spiral walrus]

Did you merge the pr already

[grim bridge]

visuals, audio, and particles are pending on what you saw in that video

[prime reef]

or the lights start flickering and then the player gets allive

[lunar skiff]

Yea no its all good bro 👍 I greatly appreciate going out of your way to apologize , and I'm sorry if what I said pissed you off as well

[obtuse raptor]

LLL wen

[spiral walrus]

Cause Tbf I kinda mean to do some more work before giving it the goahead lmao

[grim bridge]

pre 0.8

[spiral walrus]

Right now it’s kinda in disrepair

[grim bridge]

might fuck around and release shortly after 0.8 tbqh

the other monsters can come later

[grim bridge]

im gonna be real

[spiral walrus]

@obtuse raptor you owe me a runtime gizmos

[grim bridge]

merging that pr requries A LOT of monster rewriting

[lunar skiff]

(Oooo you want to use LLL custom scenes so bad ooo /j)

[spiral walrus]

Good glad you didn’t

[grim bridge]

that I will have to be in a very bad headfog to be willing to do

[lunar skiff]

Wtf Is that LOL

[obtuse raptor]

yeah i had to wait for chaos pp magic

[grim bridge]

if I am too cognizant I default to working on things that are "challenging" and not "extremely tedious"

[spiral walrus]

Tbf I probably shouldn’t push It and should instead decouple it now instead of having to do the whole updating both our mods thing

[grim bridge]

I save boring work for the days when my brain isnt working right anyway

[grim bridge]

that's fine by me

[spiral walrus]

That way you can keep your jank system for now too and then just kinda deprecate it later when I make it more

Uh

Not index based

Lol

[grim bridge]

I have a "monster" (read: joke character) that I wanted to leverage to make a video tutorial for this

using this framework we're making

[spiral walrus]

Dude this class needs a fundamental tearing apart before you are making a tutorial lmao

[grim bridge]

I mean

as you are

I delegated the moon tools to batby I might as well delegate the enemy tools to you at this point

second time someone's taken my foundations and made something actually fucking usable out of them i am so letting this go to my head

[spiral walrus]

Yeah but you can still coauthor in them lol

[prime reef]

Btw skull, once 1.0 is fully released, will you every have any of the enemies spawn on not oobl planets

[grim bridge]

configurable

[spiral walrus]

Tbf my dumbass didn’t think to just make a wrapper to use an actually good ai system so good on you for that one

[grim bridge]

by default no (see: wanting it to feel like an ecosystem) but I want that to be a choice you're allowed to make because fuck yeah gallenarma on experimentation why not

[obtuse raptor]

ok but i only made LLL cuz i wanna make content myself 😭 i never will end up having time to do this

[grim bridge]

yeah and there you see exactly why my work on the tools fell behind

[spiral walrus]

I’m hopefully pushing towards working on it instead of slacking since I’d rather wait to construct my ai stuff till after this framework is in a stable spot and I can stop sobbing

[grim bridge]

image of squidward watching spongebob and patrick play outside

[spiral walrus]

Yeah I want to work on my mod too but this class has gotta get the rewrite before I can

That’s my motivation lmao

[prime reef]

nice, like a gray scaled version of gallenarma ewould fit nice in the facility i think. (Im a big gallenarma fan)

[grim bridge]

ANOTHER CONVERT

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699371740857368687/1192491739781550162/Untitled.gif?ex=65a9457a&is=6596d07a&hm=d3af369437c9f53b2c555dc2d581475ffbff4a8c39627ba092602db157ece5cb&

[prime reef]

bro just made a sick looking gorilla and thoght no one would notice

[spiral walrus]

We are cooking feral shit but I cannot be cooking feral shit till I go feral working on StupidEnemyFramework.cs

Become insane to make insane stuff

[grim bridge]

all good gamedev requires a little psychopathy

[spiral walrus]

The other thing is stopping myself from leaking everything

Which I have been unfaltering at so far

[prime reef]

Btw if u add a custom weather condition, it would be nice to have it so the loot value is multiplied

[grim bridge]

There's a mod that does that

I will likely talk with the devs to integrate it with ooblterra's (planned but not promised) custom weathers

one of the ideas I have is really really ambitious and the upside is that it's really really ambitious (cool) and the downside is that it's really really ambitious (will be a pain in the neck to get working)

[obtuse raptor]

thats probably a me problem ngl

[spiral walrus]

Omg sammeee

But I’m making batby do the work

[obtuse raptor]

yours isnt even that crazyy lmao

[prime reef]

yea i wasnt sure if it would be compatible

[obtuse raptor]

like its cool design wise i mean but like programming wise

[spiral walrus]

Yeah because I left out a lot of details

Like

A lot of details

On purpose :3

[spiral walrus]

.

I will never break

[prime reef]

Thr moonsneer reacts to light right?

[spiral walrus]

I wonder if my shit will be buried in the sea of meh content mods because I don’t inherently make the stuff silly like Eva does

I feel like lethalthings sees the success it does because of the silly stuff

[obtuse raptor]

actual new content wise my only goal is to compete w/ zeekers

[spiral walrus]

We be doin that

[prime reef]

yea, all these meme mod sound effects get so popular, or meme momster replacments, and then the actual good content mod are always underated

[obtuse raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/unsure-curb-enthusiasm-doubt-idk-gif-4548077

[spiral walrus]

I also have a similar sense of comedy to zeeks so a lot of our funny is like very minuscule well timed stuff

[spiral walrus]

Now what did they mean by this

[spiral walrus]

Anyway hope you guys enjoy our gacha system

I wish I was joking

I think it’s awesome that this is our biggest leak and it’s not even in our thread and also the stupidest thing to leak

[grim bridge]

anyway it took a while to find him but the eyesec totally attacked me when I showed him the cool hand crystal I found

I suspect it taking me a minute was due to WTO doors having their own issues I gotta work out but anyway major point is that idk why it just straight up wasn't attacking you noop

[hybrid badger]

Okay idk how this is my first time hearing about this but this is dope

[solemn raven]

truuueeeee

[placid prism]

You have yet to post this on the mod store, but I assure you, people are clamoring for more interior mods.

[grim bridge]

if youre talking about WTO thats my mod lmao

Noop's is Moonsneer/udv

to my knowledge they dont have a custom interior planned

[shut willow]

they are definitely fiending for anything thats more then just suits and asset replacement

[shut willow]

being one of the first actual content expansion mods was probably a key role

[placid prism]

Ooh okay

The moonsneer looks really cool too.

Either way people want more interiors lmao

More enemies and more interiors is what people really want lol

[shut willow]

the early worm gets devoured by the flock

[cerulean herald]

what compatibility with other interior mods like for this

[grim bridge]

currently you should find no issues, but Ooblterra only spawns the Oobl Lab and the Lab only spawns on Ooblterra. future versions will be on LLL like all the other interior mods are, which should allow you to mix and match things

[cerulean herald]

I tried it w all public interiors and it loaded facility on the ooblterra map, then tried w just scoopys and the map and its interior worked fine but it stopped scoopys from working

on other maps I mean

[grim bridge]

it loaded facility on ooblterra?

[cerulean herald]

yeag

[grim bridge]

thats strange

ooblterra's ecosystem should be entirely self contained, I wonder if thats a lethallib thing

anyway thanks for flagging that

hopefully the move to LLL should solve all this

[cerulean herald]

aside from compatibility tho this is by far the best mod ive ever seen

[cerulean herald]

also I should prob mention it had the oobl scrap on facility

[grim bridge]

that makes sense, scrap is set by planet not interior

its just weird that the facility loaded that really shouldnt be possible

[cerulean herald]

I just tried to replicate it by enabling all the interior mods again but it isnt doing it anymore

I dont think I changed anything other than disabling and then enabling interior mods, I have no idea what happened

[lunar mantle]

Didn't the scp person showcase the scp facility spawning on Ooblterra earlier this year?

[grim bridge]

they did, to my understanding that was pre-LLL

[lunar mantle]

Ah yeah pre LLL would make a difference

[obtuse raptor]

eehh i think that should still work?

[zenith nebula]

A lot of the LL based dungeon stuff is in LLL so should carry over

[prime reef]

as soon as it is, im moving it to my main pack

[wild flint]

the eye security arent attacking me n my friend at all

they just do their charge up and stand there

and move if u run away

[grim bridge]

second report of that at this point but I yet still cant replicate it

@wild flint which one of you was the host? were they the one being "charged up" at?

what did the charge up look like?

[shut willow]

whenever we use ooblterra

one person out of the four of us cant join

its just that one guy

nvm he just sucks at downloading a modpack

ignore this

[sharp walrus]

LOL

[shut willow]

ok we genuinely have no clue whats going on

we’ll abstain from using ooblterra for now

[grim bridge]

sharing the modpack is not enough; each connecting client will also have to import the mod manually

[shut willow]

we know

we all imported the mod via local files

[grim bridge]

oh shit

what's actually ended up being the problem?

[shut willow]

never figured it out

im guessing last time it was because we were using the port that got removed off of thunderstore

an hour ago because he was using an old pack

but this time i have no clue

[grim bridge]

is the moon not listed in the terminal?

[shut willow]

no modded moons were for me

while the host could see

[grim bridge]

yall also had all the dependencies right?

[shut willow]

yes

[grim bridge]

strange

[shut willow]

we have both of the evaisa libraries

[grim bridge]

i suspect an incompat with the latest version of something

I assume yall are running LLL and possibly even LE/LECore

[shut willow]

LLL and both LE’s (configed for LEcore to overwrite LE)

[grim bridge]

Understood, I'll check that stuff before 0.8

[shut willow]

ok we checked his modpack and we found out that uh

hes also missing some other mods so he mightve failed to download the correct one AGAIN

[grim bridge]

That doesn't really explain why you weren't able to see the moon though. unless he was hosting

[shut willow]

sorry for the inconvenience we just thought he’d have enough braincells to be able to download a modpack

[shut willow]

yeah no idea either

[grim bridge]

Like I said I do understand that there's gonna be some jank with the fact the mod's not on thunderstore yet

[shut willow]

i didnt see a bunch of other moons or the poster either

if anything else arises ill tell you

sorry for the wasted time

[grim bridge]

no worries at all

[shut willow]

ok turns out he actually just managed to fail to download the modpack

TWICE

sorry for the scare

[sharp walrus]

LMFAOOO

[shut willow]

ok we got stuck in orbit trying to land on ooblterra

[grim bridge]

was everyone able to see the poster, etc?

[shut willow]

i was

[grim bridge]

if you can send me the host's bepinex log that'd also be appreciated

[shut willow]

i didnt ask anyone else though

ok

only the server host saw the poster

when we landed

the door didnt open

and when i glitched to peek out it seemed to be vow/march

even though he selected ooblterra

strangely the host theorized it to be a morelethalcompany thing

even though

we dont even have morelethalcompany

we’ve always been a 4 person crew without a need for it

actually nvm wrong mod

hmm

[grim bridge]

that would likely be the issue, im not sure why it isnt appearing for yall if you all downloaded the mod manually

er rather, that you imported it locally

btw, when asked for logs in future. in the root of your bepinex folder you can find a .log file that has the entire thing

but I suspect that's exactly why yall saw vow; ooblterra draws over vow's scene file

can you send me a screenshot of what WTO looks like in your R2Modman mod list?

[grim bridge]

alright you downloaded it right

if you go into your own lobby, does the poster show up?

[shut willow]

ok me and someone else tested it out

whenever everyone sees the poster

it works fine i think

might be sync stuff

[shut willow]

some things we noticed

scrap value is pretty high for how easy the planet is

[grim bridge]

oh yeah that's just cuz we don't have all the enemies in yet

the existing ones are gonna get more dangerous and there's gonna be a fair few new ones

[shut willow]

theres not much dangerous obstacles aside from the map being pretty dark and those spike machine things

[sharp walrus]

check message above

still in Beta :)

[shut willow]

im giving feedback you prokaryote

i will smite you with the power of a thousand disappointed asian parents

[grim bridge]

did you not encounter any enemies, or are you just talking about the lack of traps/hazards?

[sharp walrus]

LOL 😄 sorry :P

[grim bridge]

the latter is being addressed in 0.8 and the former is being addressed in 0.9

[shut willow]

ah ok

[grim bridge]

though it's strange if you didn't encounter any monsters at all

[shut willow]

i did encounter some but only two

the spider and something else when the interior got replaced by the moreinteriors bunker

no idea what the latter was though cause it ignored us

[shut willow]

youre good

[grim bridge]

huh so custom interiors can spawn on ooblterra

[shut willow]

yeah

ooblterrian (oobtlterrese? ooblterrite?) monsters still spawn in there if its replaced

[grim bridge]

ooblterran is correct

[shut willow]

ah ok

[grim bridge]

and that makes sense because monsters are by moon not by dungeon

[shut willow]

anyways we'll be excited to see ooblterra v0.8 when it comes out

good luck with modding

[grim bridge]

ty

[wild flint]

I was the host, it was happening exactly the same to both of us, the charge up is where they detect u, their laser thing freezes on ur position, then goes from green -> orange -> red and plays sound, nothing happens, they keep standing still with the beam in the same spot, and then the beam cycles through the colours while doing nothing

[grim bridge]

and this was on 0.7.5?

[wild flint]

let me check

I downloaded it from the github releases like 2 days ago

[grim bridge]

then that should be right

I went and tested it with a friend of mine earlier today and he was properly killed so I'm not sure what would cause this. I know previous builds his attack was indeed broken

[wild flint]

ill see if it still does it to me on my own rn and screen record it

I dont have nitro tho idk if ill get upload capped

[shut willow]

server is lvl 3 so max is 100 mb

i think

[wild flint]

should be fine then

[grim bridge]

handbrake is your friend otherwise

[shut willow]

also i noticed custom mobs can also spawn in ooblterra

ive seen boomba from eva and ||finger|| from derangedcompany

[wild flint]

it killed me this time

@grim bridge now I got the facility when I landed on it on day 2

and im super laggy

[sharp walrus]

||finger??||

[grim bridge]

odd, maybe it only breaks under certain conditions

[wild flint]

i recorded it

[grim bridge]

the lag is a known thing I accidentally put really fucked up code on the wanderers

[wild flint]

I only started lagging after going inside

[grim bridge]

I honest to god probably should edit the dll and put out a hotfix

[sharp walrus]

sorry, i ||immediately click on the spoiled thing and ask about it directly||

[grim bridge]

the longer the level runs for the worse it will get, especially because they spawn over time

my bad yall I legitimately dont know how the fuck that code made it into their update function

[wild flint]

u can see when I started to lag

oops how do I embed it

[shut willow]

||waltah, waltah. put your scrap away waltah, youre not meeting quota with me waltah.||

[grim bridge]

you need to change the format to mp4

you can try just changing the extension that may or may not work

[wild flint]

can I just rename it or do I need to convert it w a tool

[grim bridge]

depends on if this format is compatable with mp4 or not

its a whole thing

I say try it

renaming I mean

[wild flint]

I just recorded w obs

defaults or wtv

I just renamed it with .mp4 at the end and it didnt change the format

[grim bridge]

does it say .mp4.mkv now?

if so you need to make it so that extensions actually show up and then modify the extension

windows should give you a warning about a file potentially becoming unusable if you change its extension

[wild flint]

yeah

I just renamed it again

after turning on the setting

idk why I had it off

let me see if it will upload

[grim bridge]

oh huh

howd you get facility on ooblterra?

[wild flint]

idk

[grim bridge]

is that fuckery with some other mods, or

that should be impossible

there is an ultra rare chance you get manor (which is an oversight on my part and not intended) but facility shouldnt ever happen

[wild flint]

my logs were full of: [Error : Unity Log] "CalculatePolygonPath" can only be called on an active agent that has been placed on a NavMesh.

[grim bridge]

I was gonna say I wonder if thats why

if the ooblterra monsters werent playing nicely with the basic facility tiles

ive never tested it before

anyway for now im just gonna hope that was caused by the wanderers and their fucked up perf issues

[wild flint]

do u want the profile code or anything

[grim bridge]

your bepinex log would not be unwelcome

assuming you didnt play the game again

[wild flint]

I left the lobby but still kept it open

on the game

[grim bridge]

oh then go ahead and close the game

and then if you go to the bepinex folder associated with this profile

you should find a logoutput.log file

[wild flint]

yeah

[grim bridge]

ty

[wild flint]

reopened and this time I got ooblterra interior

so idk

its inconsistent ig

now I got the eye security not shooting me

on that time

[grim bridge]

got a recording?

[wild flint]

no I didnt realise I had closed obs

ill get one

[grim bridge]

you were holding the object in your hand, right?

[wild flint]

had modded enemies near me anyway it was annoying lmao

an alien crate thing

[grim bridge]

huh

[wild flint]

same as when it didnt shoot me last time

[grim bridge]

yeah you cant exactly pocket that

interesting I wonder if that specific scrap is problematic. wouldnt really make much sense but perhaps the collision is off or something

[wild flint]

when I tried it the first time and it shot me i was holding the religious totem thing

ill test it

ok I got it

its not the specific scrap

@grim bridge

[grim bridge]

he does seem to at least be updating his position when he breaks LOS

send me this log

[wild flint]

itll just stand there forever if I dont break los

ok

[grim bridge]

should be a lot more helpful in diagnosis

[wild flint]

so I close the game, paste the log?

[grim bridge]

yep

[grim bridge]

did he stun flash you prior to starting the attack btw?

[wild flint]

I dont know tbh, is he meant to stun u?

pretty sure he did nothing

do u mean his scan thing?

[grim bridge]

open detecting that you have scrap in your hands he stuns you (As if a flashbang went off right in front of you) and then begins attacking

did that not happen when he did successfully kill you?

[wild flint]

nah I didnt get flashed at all

[grim bridge]

very strange

[wild flint]

ive never been flashed

by that

the time i got killed I just stood there to see if he would kill me and he did

[karmic forum]

this is NUTS

[wild flint]

it just shot me when the beam went red

[grim bridge]

based on the fact that the eye is also not tracking you, I suspect the problem is that his update function isnt being called properly

[karmic forum]

what programs do u guys use maybe I should make a map ( i shouldn't i have 0 experience with 3d modeling this is just so cool i wanna try anyway)

[grim bridge]

its apparent based on this log that you have skinwalkers; do you have any other mods that might adjust enemy code?

[wild flint]

btw, is the mod supposed to show up in the mod list on a mod manager? it doesnt for me, so maybe I have installed it wrong?

[grim bridge]

blender

[karmic forum]

niiiiice

[wild flint]

I just took the zip from the github and put it in a folder in belpinex plugins folder

[grim bridge]

you unzipped it, right?

[wild flint]

yeah

[grim bridge]

that should work just fine

[wild flint]

extracted it there

[karmic forum]

hopefully that CAD inventor class i took like 4 years ago helps LMAO
fr tho the interior design is like

holy shti

[grim bridge]

but alternatively you can run it via r2modman by importing an offline mod

[grim bridge]

@dull ore look

[karmic forum]

uh oh who hath I summoned

[grim bridge]

Laz is our art lead he made all those models

[grim bridge]

anyway yeah @wild flint I'd say try disabling anything that has a chance of touching enemy AIs. Skinwalkers, Brutal Company reborn maybe?

its a bit weird that the AIs can transition states but not run the state's update function but thats my immediate guess

[wild flint]

uhh symbiosis, brutal reborn, diversity

thats all I can think of

and obv skinwalkers

[grim bridge]

honestly if youre up for more testing work, the most helpful thing to try would be just ooblterra / lethallib / hookgen

[wild flint]

I can do it later sure

[grim bridge]

Oh yeah also

does the tile youre on have anything to do with it?

or I guess room I should say

have you noticed any pattern with that

[wild flint]

I cant remember tbh

[grim bridge]

because certain rooms have made the monsters behave weirdly

mainly to do with their navigation though

[past venture]

you should add ooblterra to ooblterra

[storm sandal]

this mod looks cool, how do i get it?

[past venture]

pins

[tardy flower]

which dependencies do these need again

[grim bridge]

latest version of LethalLib should work

but it was built on 0.11

[tardy flower]

wha

[grim bridge]

wow okay I've never seen that before

[tardy flower]

thank you

[grim bridge]

Isnt networkconfig its own seperate mod?

[tardy flower]

no

[grim bridge]

I uh

cannot read that screenshot my man

[tardy flower]

i jus typed network and nothin came up

could it be advanced comp0any?

[grim bridge]

Yeah advanced company has issues with WTO

lol @ it thinking the hand crystal and 56 shovel are from lethalthings

[wintry yoke]

Hi guys just wanted to ask will this be on Thunder store soon? ☺️🫡

[grim bridge]

WTO will be brought to Thunderstore with its 1.0 release by (hopefully) end of feb

maybe sooner but im still giving thought to that

[wintry yoke]

Thanks for info bro 😇

[tardy flower]

bruh

whats wrong with the network config now

[ancient tangle]

@grim bridge that's AdvancedCompany's error message

[grim bridge]

aha I see

I dont run advancedcompany, so

[tardy flower]

dont even have it installed

[ancient tangle]

that's basically saying that the player attempting to join the host is missing Welcome to Ooblterra and LethalThings

or i believe things that those mods need

[tardy flower]

i have em

[tardy flower]

i retried this with only the needed mods and my friends still couldnt join

[obtuse raptor]

did your friends have them

[tardy flower]

yes

the exact same mods

[obtuse raptor]

via zip?

[grim bridge]

your friends couldnt even enter the same lobby as you?

[tardy flower]

no

it said an error occured

[grim bridge]

I suspect that has something to do with the content not being downloaded properly

[tardy flower]

i added it with the import local mod

[grim bridge]

did your friends do the same?

[obtuse raptor]

did your friends do it

[grim bridge]

also make sure they all downloaded the right zip

github has multiple and only the top one is correct

[tardy flower]

i copied and sent the profile code

so they didnt need to

[grim bridge]

they need to also import the mod locally

copied profile codes will not work right with offline mods

[tardy flower]

how come?

[grim bridge]

just a quirk of r2

[obtuse raptor]

it doesnt pull the files off your computer, it pulls the files off thunderstore

[grim bridge]

codes dont actually send any data over

[obtuse raptor]

and Oob isn't on thunderstore

[grim bridge]

exactly

[tardy flower]

do it be workin with LLL'

[grim bridge]

unsure

no integration yet thats coming next update

[tardy flower]

okay

[tardy flower]

bro this mod with dead and bored is so funny

i got a panic attack cuz a spider was following me while calling me daddy in a german accent

[prime reef]

I want to create a video gameplay of this, but I dont want anyone to get the wrong idea of the mod
they might see some bugs, for example the spider or gallermara being frozen, and get the wrong impression. And then when 1.0 releases people will be like, "oh yea that mod looked so buggy"

[prime reef]

dead and bored?

[storm sandal]

@grim bridge do you have any plans to make parts of this mod into their own mini mods for features that can spawn on any moon?

for example the new monsters or future features like bear traps

[grim bridge]

Upon 1.0 most things, including spawns, will be entirely configurable

for example if you want the monsters/interior/scrap etc to show up on other planets

modules isn't a terrible idea but idk how much it's necessary so long as the mod doesn't get like, huge file-size wise

[storm sandal]

could get you more recognition as the average content creator will not bother with configs but will happily download any half decent mod that adds more monsters or traps

but its up to yo if that even matters

[tardy flower]

yes

lets you speak through enemies when u spectate em

[prime reef]

damn

[noble cliff]

question how do you set up the mod?

im assuming putting the folder here?

[grim bridge]

inside the plugins folder

[noble cliff]

oh alright

ty!

[grim bridge]

nw, let me know if its workin

[noble cliff]

yes it is

[wild flint]

I tried just these mods, and Im still not being stunned by the eye security, but it did kill me

[grim bridge]

to be clear it's not gonna stun you as in you getting hit by a zap gun, just a flash like a stun grenade

[wild flint]

yeah it doesnt do anything

[grim bridge]

its a bit odd thats straight up not happening to you

[wild flint]

just charges and then kills me

[grim bridge]

especially if it then proceeds to kill you

did you end up seeing any red text in your console?

[wild flint]

and either the hitbox is insane or im not far away enough

because I run a bit away and it still hits me without moving

[grim bridge]

it's line of sight

the laser should be tracking you

[wild flint]

its stationary

[grim bridge]

I want to say that's a problem with the update function but then it killing you seems to make that not make sense

[wild flint]

is there a way to manually spawn these modded mobs

to make it faster

[grim bridge]

if you have lethaldevmode

you can spawn them and also just use the test room instead of having to fly to ooblterra

I wonder if this is at all related to any possible framerate issues

[grim bridge]

only problem with this is that I dont think theyll kill you unless you have a scrap worth more than 0, and scrap spawned in via testing has a value of 0

you can always try hitting them with a shovel, that also aggros them

[wild flint]

ok nvm it did the thing it was doing before again

charge up and nothing

I recorded it

it did its scan the first time and I ran to see if it would move and still hit me

[grim bridge]

Aha

[wild flint]

didnt look like it scanned the second time tho idk

[grim bridge]

[Error : Unity Log] MissingMethodException: Method not found: void .StunGrenadeItem.StunExplosion

for some reason, WTO is not finding the method used for stun grenades to create their stun flash

the eyesec simply recycle that code

here's the weird thing: that's an LC default method. I didn't create that one for the mod

this is a long shot but you didn't by any chance delete or replace your Assembly-Csharp file, did you?

[wild flint]

I dont know how to do that so probably not

unless something corrupted unintentionally or something

I can verify steam game files?

would that help

[grim bridge]

you can try that, it shouldn't end up deleting any of your mods hopefully

especially if you use r2modman

[wild flint]

I dont

just vanilla thunderstore afaik

[grim bridge]

Oh that's also fine

if you were using a manual solution I'd suggest backing up your bepinex folder

but yeah I guess try that

[grim bridge]

whats also strange is that in this very same log

I can see the instance where he successfully attacks you

and it throws no such exception

he goes from scan-> attack -> finishkill without issue

[wild flint]

it mightve been the first shot that I wasnt recording for which ended up with him standing still as the video starts just cycling through colours

because I ran away and then came back when I saw he had frozen again

[grim bridge]

nah, the errors start before you move out of his attack range

I think I am going to try wrapping that in a trycatch so that if he does fail to flash you, he at least consistently will be able to proceed to kill you

[wild flint]

idk I hope these videos + logs r helpful I just want the enemies to work properly for when I play it with friends

[grim bridge]

oh yes this is very helpful I appreciate the report a lot

[wild flint]

seems like getting the facility was a mod conflict but the eye security isnt

idk why its inconsistent though

ive definitely never been flashed by them

[grim bridge]

yeah no this log is perplexing. it doesn't claim to have any issues with finding the function the first time, even though it clearly doesn't end up calling it

[wild flint]

I did do multiple days on this save

does it use the same log

[grim bridge]

yes

I saw both the instance where he succeeded and the instance where he failed to attack you in the log

I suspect that him being able to attack you without getting stuck is because he is attacking within 10 seconds of being spawned. Because that means his flash cooldown hasn't run out yet, and thus the TryFlash function would return without attempting to access lethal company's built in stun grenade command

in the instances where he does fail to attack you, he's run into you when his flash cooldown is at 0 and thus he attempts to flash you but fails

[keen terrace]

Its going well as usual

[wild flint]

yeah one of the times I got shot it was directly after he spawned, I heard it in the vent and waited to see if it was one

[grim bridge]

Aha

okay so I'm making sense of this

[keen terrace]

Hi its the rarely here rarely contributing contributor here hows it going

[grim bridge]

it definitely seems to be then that your version of the mod cannot access the default lc code

but... why?

it can definitely access the enemyAI code, or else he wouldn't work at all

he uses the search function from there

[wild flint]

do I test if vanilla flashbangs work?

[grim bridge]

if you like

[wild flint]

on the map

[keen terrace]

That'd be funny

Due to life I haven't actually checked up on wto recently

How's progress

[grim bridge]

is it because StunExplosion isnt static...?

no it is static

idk how else I could've called it unless it is

[keen terrace]

Ok i guess there's a lot you probably wouldn't say publicly

[grim bridge]

yes I was about to say 'go check the dev chat'

[keen terrace]

That is 10% progress and 90% shitposts and you know this

[grim bridge]

could be that your version of LC has some kind of issue with the assembly being publicized... are you able to exit the facility without issue, @wild flint ?

[wild flint]

yeah ive exited multiple times

no issues

[keen terrace]

Also im actually free Friday and Saturday this week praise the lord

[grim bridge]

that's not it then, because that was code I specifically had to publicize the assembly for

[keen terrace]

I've not been free both days in forever

[grim bridge]

very very strange

@spiral walrus you mentioned also still having problems with the eyesecurity still on 0.7.5, do your logs also throw this error? hell, do you know why the hell I might be getting it?

[keen terrace]

Does the no exit bug still exist?

[grim bridge]

no that should be dead and buried as of 0.7.5

[wild flint]

normal stun grenades work fine

[keen terrace]

Cool

[obtuse raptor]

@grim bridge i really dont know the context but just shot in the dark, you mentioned Update. any chance this is a framerate dependant issue?

[grim bridge]

that was my initial guess

but all these cooldowns are normalized to deltatime

[obtuse raptor]

if LC is in os drive can monomod patching run into user security permission issues?

when you think about it, it is third party code messing with a .dll file on C:/ 👀

[grim bridge]

this isn't even patching though I am just straight up calling a base function

besides wouldn't that mean the other patches failing? they wouldn't even be able to route to the moon to begin with

[rigid lily]

@digital lagoon @grand gorge

[crisp current]

It'll be released on thunderstore once the mod is out of beta

[verbal ocean]

have a question, when im trying to fly on ooblterra i cant and question is why? :/ have only this

[verbal ocean]

nvm, fixed

[prime wadi]

did it fix on its own?

[grim bridge]

To whoever suggested colored lighting: excellent idea this rules

[solid jacinth]

holy shit that looks sick

[grim bridge]

I am considering inverting it such that colors go from cool --> warm instead of from warm --> cool as you go deeper into the facility

this comes with the consequence of the start room not being red anymore so if anyone is particularly attached to that nows your chance to voice the concern

[shut willow]

banger

[shut willow]

beginning room being red gives that ominous feeling

my friends first reaction to ooblterras interior was "wow this certainly is a place"

[past venture]

WOAHH

[wet agate]

the red starting room is certainly impending and my brother and I were taken aback with how great it looked, so I personally like the red starting room

[verbal ocean]

yup

[sharp walrus]

Maybe red into orange and blue?

idk if the green fits thematically from what other screenshots ive seen of this but it looks incredible

[grim bridge]

the green is for a very specific, special room that ill be showing off soon

sort of like the frankenstein room from the last preview

custom behavior and all

[tardy flower]

Is thereahhh

Beta testingahh

[past venture]

NOOOOOO Y'URE A MONSTER

[grim bridge]

red start room seems to be a fan favorite

[past venture]

aside from that, i really like the cold > warm transition

[prime reef]

srceenshots in game?

[grim bridge]

working on taking a video rn

[prime reef]

alr nice sorry to disturb

[grim bridge]

want to adjust the lights a bit more

brightness-wise

we previously all discussed how all the rooms look like they have some sort of global light on them that prevents them from truly being dark and it turns out that was spot on; the light from outside was bleeding in

and so i just added some code to fix that

[prime reef]

Yea that was my biggest problem with the inerior, to bright, and no fear of darkness

[obtuse raptor]

?

[grim bridge]

last line in specific

this probably isn't how vanilla LC does it

[obtuse raptor]

i'm not allowed to be mad by this

👍

[grim bridge]

and whys that

[obtuse raptor]

because i know what thats about but if that works then worth just leaving until you move to LLL haha

[grim bridge]

Oh i figured LLL probably also had some sort of fix for this along with the sheer amount of jank i use to fix the fire exits etc

[obtuse raptor]

theres some really arbitrary audioreverbtriggers your probably missing but probably easier to just do one big pass with you when its time yknow

[prime reef]

only problem with this mod, is that it will make all the other moinsmfeel crappy in compirason

[grim bridge]

good problem to have i think

[prime reef]

yea xd

[prime reef]

sorry to disturb, but how is the video going

[grim bridge]

Oh i called it for today because I couldn't get the generation to cooperate

specifically I wanted to get a gallenarma in the video but he wasn't spawning where I wanted him to

I'll give it another try tomorrow

[prime reef]

alr all good, take your time!

[noble cliff]

hopefully this means the facility is darker overall
cus one thing i did notice is that it was so bright inside flashlights were kinda pointless

[noble cliff]

.

looks sick btw

[spiral walrus]

:3 yw

[grim bridge]

it is indeed darker overall; I have much more control over the lighting now and it's more akin to what youd find in facility

[noble cliff]

sick

[prime reef]

can i reccomend a creature idea

[grim bridge]

go on

[shut willow]

angler fish type enemy with scrap as a lure would fit into the atmosphere imo

[spiral walrus]

@slim seal

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1147608357906174076/1194690080963575859/42B91449-9BDE-4E0A-96C6-0E2520C4E4B6.gif?ex=65b144d7&is=659ecfd7&hm=28b23b5acf6070186872787151ecf65240e0de506f468898d323fd6adca89993&

[grim bridge]

I also already had this idea

[spiral walrus]

skull..

[grim bridge]

me

[spiral walrus]

we also had this idea

remember'

you're like

in the server

[shut willow]

talk about reinventing the wheel

[spiral walrus]

WE WIN

RAHH

[shut willow]

lure scrap enemy is so obvious that im surprised zeekers hasnt added it

[spiral walrus]

ours is cool looking though

[shut willow]

it'll have to be down to which one is better implemented ............

cold war modding arms race

who will send the first thing into space and who will land on the moon

[slim seal]

one of my biggest uncertainties in terms of modding this game is if we have an idea, and halfway thru development zeekers releases an update which adds an enemy that's similiar to ours in terms of either gameplay or visual design

[grim bridge]

imagine how the guy who made the shotgun mod feels

[slim seal]

yea lol

[shut willow]

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-sisyphus-gif-4952086791107433131

[spiral walrus]

dude all our ideas are unique enough that I dont think it matters

[slim seal]

to some degree yea

[shut willow]

counting on the update that randomly adds the moonsneer

[spiral walrus]

The update where I get to redo the codebase?

[grim bridge]

yeah little does noop know I just completely poached the idea and stole the assets and all

official statement: trolled

[slim seal]

yummy ideas

[shut willow]

time travelling into the future to steal your source code to bring to the past

[grim bridge]

enemy that is reactive to light is so obvious I wish I came up with it first but I have more than my hands full with the ideas I already got

[slim seal]

who initially came up with the design noop i dont remember, was it Lux?

[spiral walrus]

me/lux

[shut willow]

idk if this is an obvious idea but ive thought up of some sort of spider that hides in the corpse of person it killed until someone gets close for 2 different things

[spiral walrus]

we both drew from the same game and went from there

[shut willow]

it would defo fit in lethal company imo

[sharp walrus]

tbh spider-crawling-out-of-body is probably a very common thing in games

[shut willow]

me after i scan the corpse only for the new enemy data notif to pop up

[sharp walrus]

but ik the game we coming from hehe

[shut willow]

isss ittt

[sharp walrus]

yeah

[shut willow]

only example i could think of is nosk from hollow knight but thats its head

[sharp walrus]

feb 14th seems so close but so far

[grim bridge]

valentines day?

[sharp walrus]

yeah the crawlers

[grim bridge]

got a hot date with a spider?

[sharp walrus]

wait no shoot

febuary 18th

[shut willow]

mayhaps

[sharp walrus]

its hollow knight's anniversary...

[grim bridge]

maybe youll get news on silksong

[sharp walrus]

🤡

^ me

[prime reef]

basically, lethal company is lacking in aerial creatures in the sky. This will spawn outside the facility. So i was thinking of some giant alien thing, with a part of a body that emitts light. So it will reach the ground, creating a moving circle of lights. Like in cartoon prision vidoes. If you get cauggt, it wont kill you, but rather signal other creatures to start chasing you. And the light will be locked to you.

[grim bridge]

interesting

we do have an idea for a sky based creature already

[prime reef]

nice

[storm sandal]

Is it one that picks up a player, flier really high, and drops em to their death?

Cuz that would be REALLY funny

[sharp walrus]

Yes I want that :P

[grim bridge]

:)

for all the mission control (aka overwatch aka man in the chair aka terminal guy) players out there, men after my own heart, you are not going to be safe for long

Ooblterra has two planned AI designed to make your job difficult

[storm sandal]

hell yea

do you ever plan to release the monsters in their own standalone mods so they can spawn on all maps?

[grim bridge]

as stated, just as a config option for 1.0

if demand is popular enough I may split the mod into modules, but

[storm sandal]

🫡

[feral sinew]

I would love to see standalone enemies ngl, the wall bug alone would make it worth for me

[sharp walrus]

wall bug?

[feral sinew]

idk if it's a bug...

the glowing eyes dude

that's blind

gallenarma?

[grim bridge]

Gallenarma

spike gorilla

anyway if I do end up doing it, likely post 1.0

[storm sandal]

thank you for your serivce 🫡

[grim bridge]

@zenith nebula @grand tangle @dark mason @twin depot @crisp panther sending a flare up for the whole squad check this shit out

[zenith nebula]

yoo working spray

[grim bridge]

Edit > Project settings and set this to true

then build your assetbundle

[obtuse raptor]

oh it really doesnt fucking

lmaooo

[grim bridge]

ty for pointing me in the right direction batby

[obtuse raptor]

@lusty atlas @indigo yew

lowkey might need a Kay x Skull thread in #1175883003474485369 regarding decal support at this point haha

[grim bridge]

tried to spraypaint a gallenarma and he killed me :(

what a jerk

[lusty atlas]

i mean my decals were working fine

there was setting that was unchecked that needed to be checked on

at least for the quicksand

spray worked outside too

i didnt check inside

[grim bridge]

funny enough even before ticking this option, spraypaint also worked fine on the outside for me

no fuckin clue why or how but it doesn't matter its workin now

[lusty atlas]

batby is the goat but theres alot of other people providing a shitton of info

we have a great community here

[zenith nebula]

yeah I think we've all pushed boundaries in our own ways

[grim bridge]

we're kinda all living on the cutting edge lmao thats the fun of it

[obtuse raptor]

frl

theres like 20 people in LLL's credits for a reason aha

[grand tangle]

ye i was about to test that tonight when after i watch a video about decals and HDRP that is awesome great find

[dark mason]

Impossible, good stuff

[fickle magnet]

where is the download link?

[grim bridge]

📌

[fickle magnet]

but is github link

[grim bridge]

yeah you download the first zip

its not on TS yet

not till 1.0

[fickle magnet]

And how is the development going? Is it going to take a long time or will it be ready soon?

[grim bridge]

development is going alright; release target is currently end of february

[fickle magnet]

Cool, then I'll take a look at it alone and when you have it ready I'll show it to my friends to surprise them. It looks very, very good honestly, good job my friend.

[prime reef]

sneakpeak of the new lighting, when do you think we will be able to play with the new lighting

[grim bridge]

as for when yall will play with it, thats when 0.8 releases

hopefully in the upcoming days here, giving myself till the end of the month as a soft deadline

[prime reef]

alr bet, take your time!

[steep sandal]

@little mulch

[zenith nebula]

wait is it check on or off? Mine's off by default but the spraypaint still doesn't work afaik

[red spear]

I think they mean turn it on

[grim bridge]

yep

needs to be on

[grim bridge]

I guess now that I reexamine it, "check this off" was probably confusing wording

[grim bridge]

I'd say its going pretty well

[dark mason]

am i allowed to see on what could possible make the code "suck big C"

[dark mason]

or was it already fixed

[grim bridge]

this isn't really fixable because zeekers doesn't have an interface for objects that have power that can be turned on/off

so it's just a whole bunch of if statements in a row for each of those items

this also means no built-in support for any custom items with on/off functionality

[dark mason]

oh do you mean like every different object (like doors/lights/etc) have their own unique and not interfaced on/off function?

or like that too, i see

damn that does suck big C, unlucky to see someone having to do that

[grand tangle]

Checked mine on is working but I am using HDRP layered Lit

I do notice it doesn't work on floors maybe it is because I have a separate collider for floor mesh.

anywhere with a
trigger collider but walls and surfaces work

Cause doesn't work on the doors directly only in frame where there is no trigger collider

[grand tangle]

@grim bridge @zenith nebula @dark mason Tested Spray can on all surfaces it seems to not like spray on material if the collider is too big away from material mesh like the convex table i have near front door and if the collider is a trigger collider like all doors have

and also i am using HDRP Layered Lit i set all HDRP project setting to Decal Layers on with the normal blending checked on too

also with materials that have HDRP Lit i have receive decals on in material setting

[grim bridge]

bracken cameo

get your thumb off the damn camera

[grand tangle]

yeah snapped my neck while taking screen shot lol

[grim bridge]

anyway this is a bit of a shot in the dark but make sure all the problematic meshes have their read/write perms enabled

I know that causes issues with nav bakes

[dark mason]

It does, my stairs were causing issues with enemy ai for so long because of this

[obtuse raptor]

theres some very interesting code in the SprayPaintItem class btw

[grand tangle]

yes all my meshes have read/write enabled on meshes other wise spider and snare flee will just not behave right

[obtuse raptor]

egs

[grim bridge]

in other news

I forgot he was sensitive to noises

[grand tangle]

That is spooky 💀 is that an enemy from your mod ?

[grim bridge]

Yep

Gallenarma :)

[grand tangle]

Very nice

[storm sandal]

So it’s like a less sensitive indoor eyeless dog?

[grim bridge]

bingo, indoor eyeless dog was the start point of it

[storm sandal]

Could you post a screenshot of of it in bright area? I wanna get a good look at the feller

[grim bridge]

||Unlike eyeless dogs though gallenarma doesn't have a 'suspicious' phase. If he hears a noise and you're in range of it you're getting clobbered. He also chases and doesn't just lunge||

[storm sandal]

That’s hardcore

[grim bridge]

I was supposed to make a full demonstration video for the big man ages ago

[storm sandal]

But does it lose you relatively easily like dogs?

Seems cool but extremely difficult, especially if it spawned in tight hallways and can’t be avoided like dogs

[grim bridge]

he is slower than your run speed, there's a bit more mechanical effort to how you escape him but that's subject to change

[storm sandal]

Gotcha, that’s awesome

[grim bridge]

||escaping him means basically running as far as possible and then sneaking away from the last noise you made. he'll investigate that noise and won't find you, and thus will leave||

[storm sandal]

Couldn’t I just drop any item and sneak away, even at close range?

[grim bridge]

I also half-considered making him attack on contact but he's already fairly strong so I decided against it

[storm sandal]

I like the antlers, if that’s what they are

[grim bridge]

||Once he starts investigating, he will find any player within about 3-5 meters of that investigation point. So in theory you can, but you'd have to be able to sneak away very quick before the investigation phase starts||

[storm sandal]

Attacking on contact if ur moving, but ignoring you if ur still might be the optimal balance

[grim bridge]

anyway if you want a view of him in flat enough lighting, I'll also spoil his kryptonite for you

|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699371740857368687/1192460152079667240/Desktop_2024.01.04_-_08.29.29.85.mp4?ex=65bb9d0f&is=65a9280f&hm=1514b6354982107bdc238a00e3e74ea2402a60203651accc961e9b840ef97566& ||

[storm sandal]

||I see, so he “sniffs” you out like a Minecraft warden?||

[grim bridge]

yep and the animation reflects that

[restive anvil]

Is there a list of known conflicts with other mods somewhere?

[grim bridge]

not exactly, formerly it was just advancedcompany but that's been resolved as of their latest version I believe

[storm sandal]

That’s so epic

[restive anvil]

Hell yeah

[storm sandal]

Any plans on releasing standalone creature mods that let them spawn on any moon?

I’d love to have more critter variety, and these look super well made

[tardy flower]

gonorrhea?

[grim bridge]

you've asked before; my answer remains the same for now the idea is just to let you config everything

[storm sandal]

I just realized that with this thing’s bright glowing eyes, it might be difficult for players to figure out that it’s completely blind and only reacts to sound

[grim bridge]

lore wise, thats actually exactly why they do it

those arent eyes, its essentially paint

[storm sandal]

Oh that’s cool

[fickle magnet]

It's very cool

[prime reef]

😭 this looks sick

[sharp walrus]

men look at this and go "hell yeah"

[past venture]

||VIBING||

[prime reef]

is that the spiked gorilla

the gallemanra

[grim bridge]

yep

[prime reef]

so what are all the new eneimes?
wanderer, and adult wanderer, gallmanra the spiked gorilla, and the spider thing?

[grim bridge]

Eye Security as well

[prime reef]

oh nice

[grim bridge]

those are all the ones implemented, more to come with later updates

lurker (spider) is heavily subject to change I think im gonna redraft his AI

[prime reef]

yea it was kinda buggy

but gallmanra, the spiked gorilla is the "star" of oobl?

[grim bridge]

theres not really any sort of main character

the human equivalent for ooblterra are the Oobl but theyre all dead and gone. all you can find of them now are pieces of their corpses

you will see them in some shape or form though and the logs will be about them

[prime reef]

oh intresting

now I wish all the moons were as cool as oobl

[burnt gate]

Outer Wilds type beat with the Oobl

[spiral walrus]

on the new system I assume :3

[grim bridge]

ideally

I also still have to move over to LLL

[grand tangle]

@grim bridge @zenith nebula @dark mason figured out more on spray paint need it on the mesh render added the DecalLayerDefault on all mesh for spray paint too if you have Decal Layer Checked in project

[dark mason]

I think I had that one on by default but in case it wasn't ill check again thx

[spiral walrus]

Been working on getting the line drawing working for paths

[restive anvil]

me and the squad tried this map out a bunch last night, the monster AI seemed to be the jankiest part

is the lurker killable?

[grim bridge]

anything in specific?

Lurkers should be killable but regardless their AI is like I said very fucky and going to be redone

[restive anvil]

yeah I tried my best to kill one of those lil shits but wasnt getting anything despite a bunch of attempts camping a doorway. It also seemed to generally be really quiet inside with literally zero activity until theres one of those giant dudes all the sudden going on a killing spree, I feel like some more monster density inside would be nice. Will say we loved the design and the whole map concept, its beautiful

the gallenarma that is. our first time going inside the facility there were two of them right inside the front door. Their pathing and hitboxes seemed to be a little off

[grim bridge]

monster density is a problem that should hopefully be addressed with the addition of further AI types, there's only 3 of them in the current build

[restive anvil]

yeah that sounds perfect

[grim bridge]

I assume by hitboxes, you ran into an issue with them hitting you despite not looking at you? I know some players also experience a bug where they hit you despite not playing their attack animation

[restive anvil]

yeah, no animation

[grim bridge]

That's known, I have to look into a bit further. Normally it happens after they kill a single player

I also know that some AIs (I think Eye Security in particular) had a problem where they'd stay in a defined zone instead of roaming the entire facility as they should, which should already be fixed

[restive anvil]

looking forward to seeing where you take this thing!

clearly lots of love put in this

[grim bridge]

thank you for playing and reporting back, the design feedback is nice to have

[shut willow]

how do you pronounce the name of the planet

i just say "oob-terra"

[restive anvil]

Oh yeah I forgot about those things, we were confused as to what theyre supposed to actually do, they seemed to just harmlessly follow us around. had one round where it was a skinwalker so that ended up being pretty entertaining

[grim bridge]

Currently they just scan you and if you are holding an object in your hand, they attack

||0.8 will introduce a "deep scan" which checks your entire inventory||

it will randomly select between the two

[grim bridge]

theres an L in there

ooh-bull terra

[shut willow]

i sea

[grim bridge]

protip: all the AIs have scan nodes, some of them have issues though

[shut willow]

eye security watching me run off with a maxwell scrap (where did that even come from)

modded lethal is so funny if you think about it from a inworld perspective

oversized bong inside of a jail ceil in a medieval dungeon on a random asteroid

[sharp walrus]

randomly select! does that mean we wont be able to tell which, ever (until they attack)?

[grim bridge]

||until they start scanning. the scanner ray will be a different color, and deep scans are slower||

[half moat]

Will the new monsters work on different moons and dungeons. Or is it specifically for the moon

[fickle magnet]

And the normal monsters appear in this new moon? Or here we will only have the special ones that you have created?

[grim bridge]

both of these options will be configurable upon 1.0 release. You can choose to spawn WTO enemies on other moons and other enemies on Ooblterra

[past venture]

will there be anything to specifically prevent modded enemies spawning on oobl? like boombas from lethal things, they just have a global weight for every moon but i wouldn't want them to spawn on oobl

[grim bridge]

youll have to consult that mod's config for that, im not sure how eva handles letting you determine that kind of thing

I suppose I could add an option to simply block any monster that isnt vanilla or WTO, but

[sharp walrus]

you can use advanced company to modify anything so you can try that

[past venture]

that would probably work