Skinwalkers

[lime urchin]

just not join

ill re-create it now one min

[wispy wolf]

Try checking console for errors

I gtg so I can't reply

[lime urchin]

chill

right soo this spammed

and looks like this

doesnt show them in my lobby even tho they join and got put like this

[blissful schooner]

is the mod even working?

[wispy wolf]

i dont think this is my fault

send the Player.log if you can

press Win + R and paste in %appdata%/../LocalLow/ZeekerssRBLX/Lethal Company then send Player.log file

did some more digging, found potential root causes

[civic gate]

this mod is now perfect for the mask

[lime urchin]

will do when hes back on

[rich tide]

i am in the cfg file if i want to disable the mod for a specific monster do i turn both true to false? or just the true next to the monster name?

[fervent nymph]

i had this till i disabled lethal progression

[wispy wolf]

Use r2modman, or change to false

[rich tide]

do i change just the false next to the name or the default value false? some say true

[wispy wolf]

Next to the name

[rich tide]

sorry 1st time

ok thank you

[jolly hull]

#1182384185571291266

both developers will work on a fix soon, no ETA

[fervent nymph]

so can use only one of the two?

[rigid acorn]

Monsters are no talking, i dont know why

[vernal stirrup]

how do skin walkers work

[dire flare]

How many people are you playing with?

[grim lake]

had a crazy ass conversation with a masked individual in the game cus of this mod

like it legit responded correctly 3 times to what i said

kind of creepy

[naive kayak]

so does this replace brackens?

[rigid acorn]

8

[dire flare]

no idea then, if you play the game are any files popping up in the Dissonance_Diagnostics folder? The audio files that get saved should be stored there if I remember correctly

[dire flare]

No it just takes audio clips from your friends as you play and then makes the monsters randomly say them

[jolly hull]

until it is fixed, yes.

[candid pendant]

what mod?

oh nvm

so has anyone found a fixed to the stuttering

[wispy wolf]

Do you have a realtek audio card

[candid pendant]

yes

[wispy wolf]

then idk

[lyric lagoon]

the game itself has stutters sometimes, especially when there are many audio sources

[wispy wolf]

well my mod doesnt add any audio sources, so

[rigid acorn]

we are playing in 9 and the game with that mod have 100 less fps

😢

[lyric lagoon]

the vanilla game already barely achieves that

[strong pulsar]

is this mod ever gonna be server side so everyone hears the same thing or is that not planned

[wispy wolf]

well maybe

but eh idk

its kinda creepy how it is

[strong pulsar]

would it be possible to add a config option for that or no?

[wispy wolf]

its alot of work to add

so if I feel like it

[strong pulsar]

thats reasonable

[rigid acorn]

man this mod litterally burn pc's, requesting to save files every second...

without i do 180 fps with this i do 40 fps -.-

a good fix could be to Just take 5-10 audio clips and stop asking them

[wispy wolf]

do u have a realtek audio card

[kindred snow]

oh question
if im the host
and everyone who dl the skinwalker
will they follow my setting or

their own

[wispy wolf]

urs

[quick sand]

Any changes for the mod in v45?

[wispy wolf]

check changelog

[wispy wolf]

2.0.1

• Recompiled for BepInEx 5.4.2100 for Thunderstore compatibility

[light oyster]

They should just update BeepInEx to 5.4.22.0 on Thunderstore, idk why they are not doing that

[wispy wolf]

I talked to Mama llama about it, it's because it would break old mod manifests

So it makes sense really

It's not a major enough update to warrant that

[ocean fox]

OK SO. just did some testing. it seems that yes, the people who are stuttering have realtek, and the people who dont, dont have realtek. unfortunately the Hz solution didnt work for any of us, but we also didnt have a mic that could do 41k hz, its always 48k, 44.1k, 96k... wonder if theres something to do to make realtek cards compatible

[wispy wolf]

well, at least we figured it out ://

I have got no idea how to fix the compatibility. since its a hardware issue idk if its even possible

[distant stump]

There a way to have this kind of thing but only for the new mimic enemy?

[wispy wolf]

yeah use the config

[distant stump]

sweet. Would everyone else have to adjust their config accordingly, or just the host?

[wispy wolf]

host only

[distant stump]

Awesome

thanks

[ocean fox]

i just stumbled upon the same github u screenshotted lmao

[lavish kiln]

will there be any update for everyone to get the skin walkers or only host?

[wispy wolf]

What?

[lavish kiln]

does the mod only work for host?

[wispy wolf]

No...?

[lavish kiln]

mine doesnt work when i join a friends games

[wispy wolf]

Do you have lethal progression installed

[lavish kiln]

no

[wispy wolf]

Or do they

[lavish kiln]

no

[wispy wolf]

Well try with just skin walkers mod for both of you and nothing else

[lavish kiln]

we did and it did the same thing. i can host the game with the mod and it works but not join

[wispy wolf]

Can you send the player.log file to me?

[lavish kiln]

this file?

[wispy wolf]

go to %appdata%/../LocalLow/ZeekerssRBLX/Lethal Company

[lavish kiln]

im a tad braindead where do i go for that

[wispy wolf]

Press win + r

And paste it in

[wispy wolf]

Hmmm seems like my fault

Can you make sure you both have the same mod version?

2.0.1

[lavish kiln]

i will double check when hes on again and see if it works. would really like to use it

[wispy wolf]

K

Btw when you tried with only the skinwalker mod did you make sure to disable LC_API too?

[lavish kiln]

that might be it, im not sure if i had the api in for the suits or not. ill try both

[rigid acorn]

yes

[grim lake]

does it replace them?

[lavish kiln]

seems to be working without the api now

[rigid acorn]

@wispy wolf can u please set a config where i can choose how many clips he take?

because its no sense how much fps it takes

[Warning: Unity Log] Audio source failed to initialize audio spatializer. An audio spatializer is specified in the audio project settings, but the associated plugin was not found or initialized properly. Please make sure that the selected spatializer is compatible with the target.

[whole moss]

getting the same thing...

[eager anchor]

I got this error to go away after setting "Legacy Asset Bundle Loading" and "Disable Bundle Loader" to True in the LC_API config settings

[fathom sand]

This does not affect anything

Dw about it

[fathom sand]

It isn’t an error, it is a warning. Errors are red and happen when something goes wrong usually.

Warnings are just a heads up that something might not be right, but they are usually not significant or serious.

So it’s not something to worry about, but if your game does not work, then it does matter 👍

[eager anchor]

Ah; thanks for the clarification. That makes sense; I've been making a modpack for friends and my goal is simply "No red in the log box and as little yellow as possible". Odd that I haven't seen it since enabling those options since someone else said that warning pops up even in vanilla, but maybe something else I did helped it out then.

[fathom sand]

if u are getting 100s of warnings in a row constantly then something is probably wrong, since it usually just happens like every now and then.

[eager anchor]

yeah; before I had those options toggled on it would spam like 10-15 times in a few seconds; be fine for a few more seconds, then repeat

[fathom sand]

This warning is a good example of UH OH

Lots of warnings being spammed and it has children/parents issues (the hierarchy of the game objects) which is not something u wanna see

[torpid hatch]

idk if anyone talked about this but me and my friends try to use this mod with some other mods but this mod makes everyones game drops frames at random times. Any suggestions on what i should do?

[wispy wolf]

Do you have a realtek audio card?

[rigid acorn]

Why u ask just that every time xD

all have a realtek audio card!!!

the problem is that the mod ask 2 much audio clips

[wispy wolf]

No, it's only people with realtek audio cards who have that issue

Everyone else is fine

[sinful stone]

Is it confirmed to only be specific models of cards/drivers? My friend has a realtek and is fine as a whole

[wispy wolf]

Not sure

[slow wharf]

Local celeb here i see

just saw your shoutout on stream

[torpid hatch]

yeah

[slow wharf]

Same here, sounds like for the time being we are sol, would love to know how Leader's friends has his realtek set up where they dont receive constant frame drops or freezes

[sinful stone]

I've asked them, just waiting for a response

[rigid acorn]

and 90% of pc's have a realtek -.-

[sinful stone]

Eh depends on the pc and when it was made

If it's a cheap-mid a cheap or midrange prebuilt or laptop then there's a chance but it's been phased out with other, better drivers for about 5 years now

[wispy wolf]

yeah but not 90% of people who have the issue, so idk

[wispy wolf]

on ttv/teosgame?

[slow wharf]

Haha yea, been watching that dude forever

[wispy wolf]

lol he's the reason I got into Lethal Company in the first place

• the reason I made the mod

[slow wharf]

That’s sick

[wispy wolf]

which is why it was bizarre when he was playing it 😄

really cool tho

[empty orchid]

Don't the Realtek drivers only get used when using audio out/mic in on the computer? I think most headsets that are USB do their own sound processing with their drivers

[fresh raptor]

horrifying mod. would also be awsome to see a version of this for comedy-based entities, if you get me.

[gloomy hawk]

I went and got the console trace from my friend who had really bad stuttering with the mod installed

what i notice standing out is this error getting repeated

[Error : Unity Log] Error: Cannot create FMOD::Sound instance for clip "" (FMOD error: Unsupported file or audio format. )

[umbral river]

what was the ne update to the mod

[gloomy hawk]

he moved his game from an external drive to his internal hard drive and the stuttering seems to have fixed

I think in this case it was in I/O rate issue, not driver related

[wispy wolf]

They do that

It works for them

[wispy wolf]

okay interesting

[fresh raptor]

Yeah i diddnt realize the update included that ^^;

[wispy wolf]

@fresh atlas @astral flume hey someone stole and reuploaded my mod, are you able to remove it? [redacted]

the code is 1:1, they copied the README too

[fresh atlas]

I was actually mostly wrong about that, sorry

[astral flume]

rejected it

[fresh atlas]

I forgor that thunderstore can actually properly handle that sort of thing, most the time

[fresh atlas]

ah thanks, dude. I'm deleting another full copy of the spongebob movie

[sinful stone]

"Damn that's a cool mod. I wish I made this mod. I made this mod"

[sinful stone]

Yeah he just had standard Realtek HD Audio with this driver version, laptop

No issues what so ever

[wispy wolf]

what is this in reference to?

[sinful stone]

The stuttering issue that some are experiencing

[wispy wolf]

k

and ur friend had no problems?

[sinful stone]

Yeah none what so ever after a few hours of playing with just that mod

Doesn't use USB devices but the actual jack so it goes through realtek

[wispy wolf]

ok

eh I think its usually an I/O issue with the file reading/writing

I'll see if theres a way to get around the file system later

[ornate oriole]

Should I not install LC API by 2018, with this mod?

I haven't had any issues so far but was planning on adding the LC API mod

[wispy wolf]

dont

[runic gyro]

Lc_api causes a lot of issues with a lot of mods

[tepid oak]

is there any fix for the stutterig issue

[untold moss]

I have heard that this mod causes issues when played for prolongued periods due to the way soundclips are stored, is this still the case?

[quick geyser]

No

[fresh atlas]

I've heard it can use up a decent amount of space in its audio cache. Does that release between rounds or wait until the game exits or something else?

[cloud zinc]

will it continue to spam this until it gets an audio file

[untold moss]

I think this is what I heard about, from what I have heard it stores all audio files in the cache and then doesn't delete it until game exit which can cause issues.

[fresh atlas]

Hm, it would seem prudent to clean that cache out between rounds instead since I don't see why you'd use audio from a previous round in the new one. That would stop it from using up a buch of space in long sessions, if that's how it works

[vernal grove]

Love this mod

[deft fiber]

its funny af when a friend leaves and then you hear him talk in the next round

[stark matrix]

the mask with the skinwalker mod is scary

[raven yew]

does this mod work with more than 4 players yet?

[fresh atlas]

I played in a morecompany lobby yesterday with 6 or 7 of us and it still tricked me but I dunno if it records from anyone but the first 4 or not

[wispy wolf]

No, people are making shit up

[wispy wolf]

No, people are making shit up. It answers this in the FAQ. One person made a tweet about it and now everyone just believes it

[wispy wolf]

No lol

[fresh atlas]

Oh I see. I didn't download your mod intentionally it was in somebody's modpack so I didn't see your readme

[wispy wolf]

I can't escape people saying it fills up your hard drive when it's just not true 😭

[sacred leaf]

what tweet?

[untold moss]

Oh I love people spreading misinformation on the internet

[fresh atlas]

https://tenor.com/rHSIJTGlks9.gif

[untold moss]

What issues does the mod have then? Other than disagreeing with LC_API like 90% of things

[sacred leaf]

strongest person concerned about their hard drive vs weakest person who doesn't care

[wispy wolf]

The only one is occasional stutters for some. Everything else is caused by people installing it wrong

[untold moss]

so assuming I just hit download on a mod manager it will work fine?

[wispy wolf]

Yes

[kindred snow]

so far ive been using it been creataing and delete pretty fast

with mod manager

[wispy wolf]

uh yeah

[kindred snow]

one of my friend says that he dont hear anything from the skinwalkers?
but cant trouble shoot cuz 4 of us dl the same mod pack

only 1 person doesnt hear

[wispy wolf]

did he manually install?

[kindred snow]

nope

same modpack

but could be he just didnt hear

[wispy wolf]

2.0.1 latest version?

[kindred snow]

yep

[quick sand]

he might just be unlucky

[kindred snow]

yeah

[quick sand]

he could've been too far or didnt notice it

same issue with my friend, when rewatching his gameplay, turns out he could hear em, he just didnt notice it

[kindred snow]

and its like 3/4

so could be he really didnt notice

[wispy wolf]

3/4?

[kindred snow]

like playing a group of 4

3 of us works

we all using same mod pack

[wispy wolf]

I mean u could set voice frequency to 20 to really see

[kindred snow]

next time

[wispy wolf]

https://twitter.com/Caughtinitsmaw/status/1733005547174314203?t=87GxJdSiYTFXIiDGIJgcDA&s=19

[untold moss]

so how long are voice clips kept for?

[wispy wolf]

In RAM? A while. On disk? Seconds

[untold moss]

oh also in the readme it says the mod is incompatible with Lethal Progression but I believe the Lehtal Progression dev patched this a few updates ago so they work together

[wispy wolf]

nice

[sacred leaf]

suggests ai too. blegh

[kindred snow]

actually the suggestion makes no sense
im 100% sure AI will take a hell alot more space compared to what is being done now

[fathom sand]

Worse performance too

[quick sand]

left for a bit to linger in general but yeah turn up the frequency and use the gamemaster mod to spawn some baddies to really confirm it

[regal plaza]

That wouldn’t be an issue, as there’s nothing stopping the monster from mimicking you while you’re alive

[trim needle]

Does config need to be the same for everyone or just the host?

Nvm I read, it’s the host 👍

[fathom sand]

Actually there is no way for the monster to possibly replicate your own voice in game currently, since it only records other people's voices and not your own

[past fiber]

I swear I've heard my own voice before

[fathom sand]

could be someone echoing or something

[past fiber]

one of my friends does have a little echo so that might be it

[lean bolt]

Just wanna say op, I love this mod so much and I've had a blast with it as I played with my friends :)
11/10 mod

[gentle topaz]

Very sorry if this has been asked already, is there a way for me to make this only happen with the new monster?

[tacit hinge]

go to config and disable every monster other than masked

[gentle topaz]

siiiiiick does it let you adjust frequency at all?

[cedar terrace]

why is there two of them ?

@wispy wolf

[wispy wolf]

i didnt realize r2modman kept old config values

which i guess makes sense, but is annoying

I changed the config

[cedar terrace]

i see

the bottom one is the correct one to use ?

i assume

[fresh atlas]

BepinEx config is what manages it and it will first read in your config, then add the default values in then write it back out. As you just learned, once you release a mod into the wild you should rarely, if ever, change your config option keys since that will keep old keys that you don't use on existing config files

[wispy wolf]

🫡

learned the hard way

[fresh atlas]

👍🏽

[wispy wolf]

thankfully it only affects 350000 people 💀

[fresh atlas]

Ah, no big deal then

[inner compass]

no biggie

[potent dagger]

Does the mod also include audio from people that are speaking whilst dead whilst you're alive?

For example if I died and was talking to someone else who was dead, could someone who was alive hear that via a skinwalker? 🤔

[wispy wolf]

yes

[cedar terrace]

are you planning to fix that ?

[potent dagger]

good to know, not really much of an issue in my opinion noting it'll probably take a while for you to hear it (depending on how many prior clips there were before the person died)

[cedar terrace]

i think it kinda gives it away

with all the random yapping while dead

this should 100% be optional

[fresh atlas]

I don't see the problem. Presumably, the monsters "learned" that line before your friend died so its not like it matters to them if they still live. Unless the whole group stays together constantly somebody will probably be tricked by it. I got had by some coilheads repeating things the group said on the other side of the map while I was holding them still the other day, haha

I was about to run out the door since I felt like I was the last alive when they repeated some lines and I turned back around, hehe

[cedar terrace]

i thought it records dead voices

not before dead

i dont mind recording before dying

i meant recording while dead yapping in dead voice chat

[fresh atlas]

oh I misunderstood what you said

Does it record while they're dead? That's funny

[cedar terrace]

yeah thats my issue

i want that to be configurable

[runic gyro]

From my understanding the mod records as soon as it starts & takes out clips of sound when you activate your mic

Because I've had eyeless dogs repeat things from previous moons. No idea if it was when I was dead or not tho

[fresh atlas]

Hopefully its as simple as something like not recording from clients if their playercontroller says they are dead then

[sinful stone]

When rug and I were playing, a hoarding bug was repeating lines that were said prior without either of us dying

[runic gyro]

Bro I had an eyeless dog clip one of my buddies singing o-zone : dragostae din tei

Was surreal

[cedar terrace]

wont the file become massive if it never stops recording in a long session

[fresh atlas]

Rug said it cleans up old files and its not a problem, when I asked that

[potent dagger]

it does a bunch of short clips and deletes them after it's used from the looks of the decompiled source on thunderstore

[runic gyro]

I don't know how exactly it works, but I believe it only clips when your microphone activates and most likely deletes clips of X age

[cedar terrace]

ok good

[wispy wolf]

its intentional

[cedar terrace]

should still be optional

if you are dead it shouldnt record dead chat

it can ruin the experience

[wispy wolf]

have you ever had it ruin the experience?

[cedar terrace]

no since i havent had the mod working until recently

but i can imagine it happening

the stuff you say as a spectator can give it away

example watch "this person"

or something

[wispy wolf]

I've never seen it be an issue

sometimes its even better because then people think its new content, if they were alive when the spectators said it

[cedar terrace]

depends what is recorded when dead

[wispy wolf]

yep

depends on a lot of things

the mod works on coincidence already pretty well, I don't think it needs to be complicated

[cedar terrace]

is it hard to add it is a config option

[wispy wolf]

ehh not really. but I don't like introducing more areas for bugs

[cedar terrace]

i guess its fine to not do it then

[cedar terrace]

i think he is working on sync already

[wispy wolf]

no, im just thinking about it

[cedar terrace]

syncing is so important though

if you never do it someone will steal the glory and do it instead prob

the game already has a mimic now

[quick geyser]

I like the idea of just arguing with yourself on who's the real person with a past version and just gaslighting the shit out of your teamates. It would also be a much better experience when players are dead so they hear the chaos unfold

[potent dagger]

I just hope if syncing is ever added that it still works like it currently does if the host doesn't have the mod

Since this is one of the mods that I play with during regular multiplayer games

[wispy wolf]

Good to know

[cedar terrace]

this mod still dont work for us

it works sometimes im not sure anymore some games it feel like it dont work then suddenly it worked 2 times in a row

[slow wharf]

I think i may have run into an issue last night while playing, it could have been a conflict with some other mod, but this is the only mod that touches/records peoples audio so i thought id post it here first. Was playing with my friends, and the audio i was hearing coming from them when i was dead, and spectating, was not the actual stuff they were saying at the time. Its as if anything i was hearing from one friend was coming in delayed by about 40 seconds or so, idk i didnt count. It led me to almost believe i was having a stroke, jokingly, as they were having two completely seperate conversations at the same time, and the person who was out of sync was talking about having to turn off the smoke, and run away from a thumper while they werent even inside the dungeon area. ------In the second clip you can hear what hes is actually saying in the moment at the end of the clip coming through my buddys mic.

[warm garnet]

just wanted to thank you for making this mod the comedy and horror it brings to the game especially when its a masked enemy is incrediblely fun

[wind void]

i keep hearing myself and assuming its just my friends mic echoing 😭

please dont fix that its pure gold

[boreal falcon]

Is there any update on fixing the issue where it causes games to stutter?

[wispy wolf]

That's just called being rare lol

[wispy wolf]

What version are you using? This was an old bug fixed in 2.0.0

[wispy wolf]

I'm working on it

[cedar terrace]

my frequency is 1.5

should i put it higher ?

[wispy wolf]

If you want

[cedar terrace]

i want it to be somewhat often

but not like 5 times in one game

but atleast once a game

some games we didnt feel like it happened at all

what frequency do you recommend ?

[slow wharf]

2.0.1

[cedar terrace]

i only use it on the masked and bracken

so its limited to those only

so maybe 1.5 is too little

[wispy wolf]

Ok then idk, you shouldn't even hear it while spectating

[wispy wolf]

Yep

[wind void]

waitw hat does

frequency do

[slow wharf]

I wasnt hearing an enemy speaking though, it was the player jackyjedi speaking, but it wasnt lined up with what was actually being said in the game at the time. At the end of the clip you can hear him saying "So that leads me to believe its not broken" coming through the other specators mic, but i was hearing him say "So thats, thats a real fire escape...... Good Job", which im assuming was something he said earlier in the round. His audio wasnt cut up into fragments either, it was literally like it was just coming through delayed by a minute or so.

[wispy wolf]

Restart your game? And check the console for errors

[slow wharf]

Yea it was last night so already ended the session, was just clipping some videos from the session. Ill definitely save a copy of the log next time, or check the console if it happens again though

[wispy wolf]

@astral flume @fresh atlas is it possible to change the name of a mod and dependency string on thunderstone retroactively, and update it in other modpack's manifests? Or is that impossible

[astral flume]

Impossible

[wispy wolf]

Even just the title?

[astral flume]

impossible

[wispy wolf]

Ok, thanks

[cedar terrace]

cant Mythic do it?

if you contact them

[wispy wolf]

Who is that

[cedar terrace]

Admin on thunderstore

Mama and 753 is only moderators

Mythic helped me out before

wasnt the exact same problem though

[wispy wolf]

What did they help you out with

[cedar terrace]

they deleted a mod for me and removed a team thing

they just seem like they have a lot of power idk

[wispy wolf]

K

[fresh atlas]

Yea, Mythic is like the administrator and while it takes a bit to get a response from him he does check his DMs

[cedar terrace]

so it is posible then

[fresh atlas]

If its something I can't do, then sure, bug Mythic about it. He doesn't mind

I don't think you can change a dependency string without just uploading a new mod and it can't be propagated into other people's mods, as far as I know. Bug him if you want tho, I may be wrong

[tender thicket]

This has happened between me and another buddy, but it was a long time ago and this mod didn't even exist yet. Funnily enough, for me the audio was delayed by more than 2 minutes.
I thought it was a bug related to MoreCompany or another mod.
After resetting the lobby, it went back to normal

[red urchin]

Heya! Wanted to make a suggestion, tho it might be stupidly hard.
With the "MaskedEnemyOverhaul" and this mod being so amazing together, I wondered if it was at all possible to have Masked enemies only pull audio from the player they're mimicking?

[hoary siren]

Is there any planned fix for the random lag spikes when it records a clip?

Also, does the mod delete old voice footage over time? I heard something about it building up a large amount of space on their computer

[fathom sand]

it deletes old footage

it deletes it when it is used

[hoary siren]

ic

[stark matrix]

can i put it to 3?

[fathom sand]

do it in the config

[late rune]

Is it possible to make a separate config for masked enemy? I think frequency should be low for other mobs but frequent for the masked enemy

[sinful stone]

just disable it for everyone but masked

[fathom sand]

^

[rare wraith]

this...

[torpid crescent]

the modders of both mods would have to work together to get this working but would be incredibly cool and if they go to that length I personally would love to see the option of having a recording of there voice or f it make it a live repeat of what they are saying dead or alive!

[torpid crescent]

would love to gaslight my friends into there funny demise!

[rare wraith]

tbh in general it would be cool to see Skinwalkers only mimic a players voice that they have killed

so if they get someone you would still think they're alive

instead of the goofy "that wasn't you talking, right?" scenario

[red urchin]

Agreed!
Also yeah I imagine they'd both have to work on it, tho the game already keeps tracks of the player that's being mimicked (For example, it can keep track of the outfits and in More Company, even the cosmetics)

[red urchin]

I'd like at least the option at most, since my friend group splits up alot, so we've been fooled by it, alive or not

[rare wraith]

yeh an option

[wispy wolf]

read the FAQ

[wispy wolf]

potentially

[red urchin]

Aye that's a start! Tho I can't imagine it's easy 😅

[torpid crescent]

fr

[runic gyro]

My buddies cant hear oneanother in game now, didnt have the issue before using this mod

happened after going to Titan

[wispy wolf]

make sure you're using r2modman

[runic gyro]

Why does using r2modman change how the mod works vs thunderstore?

[fresh atlas]

Pinned your top message because discord sucks, haha

[wispy wolf]

It has a specific version of bepinex

[ornate oriole]

Which one is better then? 21 or 22?

The bepinex version

[wispy wolf]

21

[sacred leaf]

thunderstore mod manager is so much of a copy of r2modman that it even supports r2modman modpack files

[ornate oriole]

Ok ty

[odd ingot]

Does the skin walker still work

Can’t tell if it’s working

[ornate oriole]

It worked fine for me last night

[wispy wolf]

Well nothing changed... So

[true coral]

tested yesterday, it works

[wispy wolf]

ok nice

[odd ingot]

We might have heard em

[urban inlet]

is there a plan for voices to be global rather than local?

[charred imp]

Rug I assume you assign a "random" for the local player? An easy way to get them to sync would be to use the random code the game generates when you land on a moon? Maybe? Just set the random to that integer. Unless it's done differently

[wispy wolf]

True actually, good idea. But the voice lines are all recorded independently, so you can't choose a random one with a seed and have it be the same

[wispy wolf]

Potentially

[young oasis]

Wait the voices are only heard by one person?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1021638725358334002.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[charred imp]

Hmmm true. Not sure how you would distribute them. Not sure if you would be able to record the voices globally on all clients. I assume you have each player only able to get something they they have already heard. Hmmmm

Cause if it recorded them globally you could use the seed to determine which voice lines it records and then use the seed again to play them lol

[turbid sage]

I need heavily explaining to as to how exactly this mod works in technical terms, how is it people are having conversations with it is it just pure coincidence and also

How many clips does it use and is it AI replicating voices or is it literally recording you

[sacred leaf]

just recording players

[wispy wolf]

Read the faq

[turbid sage]

How and when does it capture peoples voices, I wanna know the specifics 😭

[wispy wolf]

Before asking those things

[turbid sage]

Iv been using it and understand the simplicity behind it but after all these tiktoks I gotta know exactly how tf a mod like this can be made

[wispy wolf]

Well you did not read the FAQ

So do that

[turbid sage]

I read it, just forgot half of it till now, still really confused bcs there ain't no way half these audios of my friends are coincidences

[wispy wolf]

Well they are coincidences

[turbid sage]

Ain't no way

I had a full on yes, no, youll die. Scenario with a spider

[somber mauve]

oh im a dumbass, didn't really looked at the FAQ and installed Skinwalker, Masked Enemy Overhaul and Lethal Progression together

what kind of conflict does Skinwalker have with Lethal Progression anyway?

it was playable but I, as the host with console turned on, can see a lot of errors being spammed if there is someone in the ship.

[naive kayak]

[potent dagger]

I did some testing and it seems like that's actually not the case

It seems like it just records silence from them (which I'd guess would be due to the game turning the mic volume of dead players down for non-dead players/them being in a different voice "room" or something similar)

[fathom sand]

it is random.range bro

[fathom sand]

LMAO

it happens to lots of ppl

[somber mauve]

nvm about that one, apparently whatever conflict that has was fixed.

[slow wharf]

Yea i think Stoneman rewrote his mod or something, they work together now

[wispy wolf]

Interesting

[cedar terrace]

skinwalker and lethal progression works fine for me

[sacred leaf]

config still isn't working, a bunker spider was talking about plans to steal a beehive. only thing i had it set to was masked. only enemies in radius was a snare flea, a bunker spider and a hoarding bug. i have no console logs because it was being spammed by a bugged snare flea trying to pathfind.

voice line frequency sure was working though 👍

[wispy wolf]

Were you host?

[light oyster]

config works fine for me (never heard from a disabled mob)

[sacred leaf]

nope

[cedar terrace]

@wispy wolf

why is this being spammed

[potent dagger]

Regarding the stuttering issue this might be a possible fix? https://discussions.unity.com/t/unitywebrequestmultimedia-getaudioclip-huge-profile-spike/221484/4

TDLR try adding ((DownloadHandlerAudioClip)www.downloadHandler).streamAudio = true; on the line before the yield return www.SendWebRequest();

[tender thicket]

I hope it is

[cedar terrace]

did you mean to spoiler it ?

wait nvm im dumb its not a spoiler

it just looks like it

[potent dagger]

was more directed towards Rug but yeah it's a code block not a spoiler

[daring valve]

@wispy wolf Hey Rug! love your mod, I might have found a section of code you can streamline to improve performance. It appears (at least from the console side) this mod is preforming checks on mobs disabled in the config at regular intervals to attempt to play a sound, which always fails as the mob's ability to speak is disabled. You might be able to save some resources by excluding the checks all together earlier if possible. Thanks again for your hard work!

[potent dagger]

That seems to be incorrect, the log is within a loop that happens every few seconds to initialise skinwalker on newly spawned enemy AIs that don't already have it active and that are enabled in the config

[daring valve]

Odd, I was having checks performed repeatedly on a mob I had disabled earlier. I can't remember what it was, but I might give it another try and see if I can reproduce it. Thanks!

[potent dagger]

Well yeah it'd loop through it everytime but it wouldn't initialise the skinwalker stuff on it from the looks of it

[rigid acorn]

is what im tryn to say to the dev like 5 days ago, but he keep say "its realtek audio card problem"

[sage oasis]

because its unrelated

[wispy wolf]

Cool! I'll try it when I'm back

[wispy wolf]

Yep! I have plans to optimize that

I don't think that's the main performance issue though

Some mods do that every frame lol

[latent osprey]

Does this mod give any performance issues at all?

[fathom sand]

Depends on ur specs tbh, anything can give any issues

If you have an old hard drive or slow hard drive you might have performance issues

[hoary siren]

Whenever it records clips (im assuming) there is almost always a short fps spike at least for me, and im on a pretty good computer

Seems to be the same for my friends as well

[potent dagger]

Btw I noticed this which is a slight issue, If I'm correct the while loop wouldn't ever run since it'd always return before it gets to it?

so currently you could have over 200 audio files

Also I tried the possible fix I sent the other day (on a decompiled version of the mod) and it seemed to make it have more stutters, gonna do a few more tests with it tomorrow tho

[wispy wolf]

Oh

yeah

[willow galleon]

The moment i saw this image symbolism (the funny turi ip song) started playing

[vivid estuary]

hmm curious question, when the mask takes a person it only uses voice clips from that person, is it something you did or a happy coinkidink?

have not been able to keep up seeing what you have been working on of late with school and stuff. But i am loving the mod for sure.

[sacred leaf]

that was i think planned but i don't think its been implemented yet?

[potent dagger]

was actually fairly simple to do

[past fiber]

Did you do that yourself or is it already pushed?

[potent dagger]

myself

I'll give Rug the stuff for it tho so he can push it to the actual one

[past fiber]

had an instance with two mimics on opposite walls "talking" to eachother and have been hoping they'd do that ever since
so that'd be sick nice work

[sacred leaf]

igp made a video about the mod with next to no credit, you've won at modding

[willow galleon]

People still dont credit others for their work?

Damn

[hoary siren]

Tends to happen with igp ive noticed lol

[visual swift]

i tried this mod out yesterday with a friend group and im pretty sure i gave one friend a near psycosis experience. so good job i guess on the mod...
he might sue you later tho so just a headsup 🙂

[wispy wolf]

It is what it is

[hollow forge]

ya kinda nuts how people post a bunch of mimics / skinwalker / etc mods clips/shorts on yt with no mention of it being a mod or any credit and 80% of comments are confused if its vanilla

💀

[hoary siren]

The weird genre of content farmy videos that say "we added x to [game]" when they in fact, did not do any of the work to add it to the game

[potent dagger]

The config seems to only ever be applied if you're the host so that'd be why

[sacred leaf]

ah

[drowsy kelp]

thats why i like insym, he usually always mentions whether somethings a mod or not

[wispy wolf]

@potent dagger The host syncs the config to all clients. If you are in a lobby, you will use the hosts config, not your own. If you join a lobby where the host doesn't have the mod, you will use the default config

[sacred leaf]

boowomp

is that fixable?

[potent dagger]

Isn't that the same as what I said but more detailed? 0_0

Either way random thought I just had, wouldn't it be possible to do a NetworkVariable that is default false which gets updated to true within the existing isHostingGame check, then if that was true you'd use the network config otherwise you'd use the local one?

which if I'm correct should mean that if the host has the mod all clients will inherit the host's config otherwise it'll default to the client's local one

[wispy wolf]

Exactly

Well not really

You implied that only the host has a config applied

When in reality everyone has a config applied, it's the hosts

[potent dagger]

ah yeah rubbish wording from my side

[wispy wolf]

Yes

[quick sand]

ayo havent been active cause of a fever

any neat changes i missed?

[cedar terrace]

are you planning to fix the stuff 1A3 sent anytime soon ?

[potent dagger]

I haven't actually sent him the stuff yet since I've been having a mess around with my version in public lobbies to see if i can work out the cause of the stuttering some people (including me) are experiencing

I also did per enemy voice line frequencies & the ability to choose when it can record audio

[acoustic lake]

Shouldn't that last one say "dead"? XD

[potent dagger]

good spot

[haughty elk]

Hey just looking to help a little with the problem solving, the filepath for the audio recordings, is that stored in the game directory or the appdata plugin folder?

[potent dagger]

game directory then Dissonance_Diagnostics

[haughty elk]

Ahhh right, so has SSD/HDD been ruled out? I've a habit of throwing all games on a HDD, but i'm thinking the deletion process of these files is bricking up the drive's IO

[potent dagger]

that is a fair point which i some reason forgot to try

[potent dagger]

unsurprisingly that seemed to fix it

the changes I've done will probs help with performance slightly anyway tho

[haughty elk]

That's brilliant news! Means me and my group can actually use it, but in the case of people who don't use an SSD, maybe there could be an option OP could implement where it clears the files during the "break phase" of the game, so like the company building and in space, I'm not sure if the mod still records audio lines during these times

[wispy wolf]

Probably the file writing is also part of the problem then?

[potent dagger]

yeah that'd explain why i didnt notice any issues when disabling EnablePlaybackDiagnostics

(since that stopped it creating the wav files)

[potent dagger]

I'm not sure if the mod still records audio lines during these times
it does however with #1181846289458135080 message that'll be customisable

clearing the files wouldn't change anything since it's the writing the files that seems to be the key cause

[sage oasis]

Wouldn't multi threading the coroutines make the io calls less impactful on performances?

[potent dagger]

well the audio files are created by the plugin that's used for voice chat so it's not necessarily that easy

[sinful stone]

Congrats rug, your mod just made a friend of mine heavily gaslight himself into thinking the imposter was actually me because apparently it repeated my voice with exceptional timing to his questions

Full on 30 second conversation with a fake

[charred imp]

Funny how this always happens 👀👀👀. I can have a full on conversation with a mimic sometimes 🤣🤣🤣

One time I asked "Are you real??" And they answered back duh I'm real... Then proceeded to kill me 🤣🤣🤣

[wispy wolf]

Lol

[sage oasis]

Oh yea unity api interaction has to be done on main thread right?

[wispy wolf]

Yezzir

And that plugin is already multithreaded

[azure hollow]

@wispy wolf what happened to that skinwalker monster you were makin

[wispy wolf]

The masked kinda is that already

[cedar terrace]

yeah the masked is perfect

[vivid estuary]

aww but the concept art looked so much fun

[idle abyss]

Would be cool if skinwalkers could shapeshift from a human into different monsters as they approach you

[vivid estuary]

i would just love it if the bracken stole peoples skins and stalked people dressed as them but with the glowing eyes.

and just have it enable the bracken to leave the base and get into the ship and kill and steal someone away from there into the station.

[inner compass]

are you real "yes" are you sure "yes im sure dude" for real? "yes" ok

(it was a bracken)

[waxen egret]

just make it more complex then the masked 🤫

[oblique tangle]

the masked kinda sucks tbh 🥱

[waxen egret]

imagine it trying to play the part of seeming like a "team mate" combine that with mods like strange objects that some times mutes players with one of there curses

[potent dagger]

The fact it can ||hide in the ship|| is pretty cool but except from that it's not much different from the other enemies

[oblique tangle]

I don't really like it due to the fact that the mask itself has no plus sides to even using it (unless I'm stupid and missing something)

and i think that the ai for the enemy could be a bit better

[dire flare]

yeah I also think that your idea was way better than the masked guy

[fresh raptor]

The upside is pissing off your friends because you put it on as soon as you found it (incredibly funny every time i promice)

[oblique tangle]

thats what i think too, the models that ive seen looked like i could have been really creepy

[dire flare]

yeah the model looked extremely cool and actually scary

[oblique tangle]

its funny in certain situations (getting inverse teleported into a locked room)

[fresh raptor]

Itd be nice to be able to hold it up to your face to keep something from instantly attacking you.. but tbh i like that its just an item. Not everything needs a use, plus its just something to sell. Its a good noob trap.

[oblique tangle]

well atm its just an item with a really big downside and no upsides, I think that having it be a temporary disguise from monsters like you said would be a good idea

[fresh raptor]

Why does it need to have an upside tho

Its a mask that possesses people found on the hardest planets, if you put it on expecting something good that seems like the trap landed hook line and sinker.

Itd def be fun to have some cool feature, but as is it doesnt really feel like it lacks anything

[oblique tangle]

cause how it is rn the masked can only be spawned by putting on the mask, there should be something that makes it worth putting on the mask other that just wanting to mess with your friends or being clueless

[hollow kiln]

Maybe a percent chance while having it equipped to get “possessed” where it brings the mask to your face automatically and you need to press “G” to drop it or move it to another inventory slot. But that’s more of a suggestion for the base game than the skinwalker mod.

[oblique tangle]

and ofc it doesn't HAVE to have an upside but it would be nice

[fresh raptor]

.. no? They spawn rarely on their own too.

[oblique tangle]

they do?

[fresh raptor]

Ive seen them in singleplayer.

Its def rare but they do.

[fresh raptor]

Every time you hold it in your hand theres a random timer put on, and if you hold it for too long it automatically puts itself on

This is a vanilla feature

[oblique tangle]

ive never seen one spawn naturally, maybe they need to up it a bit 🤷‍♂️

[fresh raptor]

I can see that

Tho also i think its kinda like the mimic mod where its more fun when you see them every like.. 20 or so hours in

Where you just never see them, but when you do it hits you in the gut

[hollow kiln]

Is it really?? I thought it’s only if you put it to your face there’s a timer

[fresh raptor]

Its just holding it

Idk if holding it to your face speeds said timer up, it might but dont count on that

This is all off topic anyway lol

[dire flare]

the first one I saw was one that spawned naturally, never seen the mask item so far lol, maybe some mods have changed it

[fresh raptor]

Theres two masks, but they do the same thing. "Tragedy" and the much more aptly named "comedy".

[dire flare]

damn never seen them, last time I saw a masked guy three of them spawned at the same time

[fresh raptor]

They needed a fourth for their quartet

Shoulda joined them

[dire flare]

actually I did, died to them like 10 seconds later

[fresh raptor]

W

[sacred leaf]

i noticed that, most of the time when the game's open, the console just gets spammed by
[Info :RugbugRedfern.SkinwalkerMod] Audio folder not present. Don't worry about it, it will be created automatically when you play with friends. (C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Lethal Company/Lethal Company_Data\..\Dissonance_Diagnostics)

[wispy wolf]

Did you read the message

[frozen hare]

There's really no other simpler way to deliver the message

[sacred leaf]

of course i did, yet, when playing with friends, it still spams the same thing. with no change

[wispy wolf]

Are you using r2modman?

[wispy wolf]

You'd be surprised how many people don't 😅

[sacred leaf]

ye

[wispy wolf]

then idk

2.0.1 ya?

[sacred leaf]

yep

[oblique solstice]

same

created the folder and getting spammed with this

[azure rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187133094059315280/1188640898469343242/Desktop_2023.12.25_-_00.30.49.03.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=659b431a&is=6588ce1a&hm=d728170c3af192c94db615188bf879955ebe5d5cfbd8977a776bce6a52b61add&

[quaint willow]

skinwalker asks if skinwalker mod is being used

🔥

[oblique tangle]

this video psyched me out cause he sounds like me 😭

[potent dagger]

This clip from Insym is so good 🤣 https://www.twitch.tv/insym/clip/SweetCrackyBaconPlanking-UIHw8jO4uABSBioM

[sacred leaf]

they ganged up on em

[fresh raptor]

They were in a dead-end room, if anything he just interupped their conversation

[potent dagger]

I've done so many changes in the build of this I'm using, like you'll be able to put sound files into a specific folder which will then be used when playing singleplayer (so the mod isn't completely pointless in singleplayer)

and improved configuration options too https://i.imgur.com/mwnMWmy.png https://i.imgur.com/5whftA0.png

[sacred leaf]

what does the percentage chance do?

also, does this build plan to be released?

[potent dagger]

its the chance of it playing the sound after the cooldown

so instead of it being 100% like it is currently you'd be able to lower it so it isn't as spammy if you want a lower cooldown

[potent dagger]

I'm gonna pass the stuff over to Rug whenever he's back noting that my build is done via the decompiled version from thunderstore 😂

[wispy wolf]

But that's what the voice line frequency is 🤔

[potent dagger]

similar but not exactly

on your version it decides when to next play using Time.time + Random.Range(15f, 40f) / SkinwalkerNetworkManager.Instance.VoiceLineFrequency.Value whilst mine does Time.time + Random.Range(minCooldown, maxCooldown) then whenever it reaches that time it then checks if the chance succeeded

which allows you to have a lower duration between sounds playing whilst not having it be insanely spammy (for example if i did min & max cooldown as 5 seconds then chance as 50 it'd try playing every 5 seconds but would only have a 50% chance to actually play the sound)

There's also a hardcoded minimum of 5 seconds for the cooldown so people can't completely spam it and it isn't recalculated until the previous audio finishes playing which prevents a single enemy from play multiple sounds at the same time - The amount of sounds I heard at once before I did that was painful 🤦‍♂️

[wispy wolf]

k

[tidal willow]

Just realized that voice sync would be rly hard since you'd need a dedicated web server to store and request for voice files. then syncing them up with players that have the files

esp needed if people use late company to join late

[potent dagger]

Plus people with slow internet wouldn't have a great experience 🤷‍♂️

I initially thought it could be possible by using the file name noting clips would likely be at the same time but then I remembered people could have their pc time unsynced

[wispy wolf]

no ..?

Why would you need a web server?

You can just send it to clients

imo it's just difficult to do without assembling audio clips on the main thread which could be really laggy

[tidal willow]

Oh I thought that wasn't possible lol

[wispy wolf]

If that wasn't possible then the voice chat wouldn't work in the first place

[tidal willow]

my first thought was a web server since its the simplest solution i could think of with my experience

yeah

[wispy wolf]

the voice chat is multi threaded so it doesn't interfere with the main game loop

But that's kinda a lot of work

[oblique solstice]

maybe sync the recording of clips, and then sync playing them?

or you cant record someone you don’t hear

[vast sparrow]

If I had to guess (take this with a grain of salt cuz im not a modder) the host would have to essentially download the audio file and then distribute it to the other clients.

[wispy wolf]

If it was that easy I would go it

[oblique solstice]

just an idea, maybe you didn’t thought of it

[tidal willow]

Audio desync is probably a hell to work with when saving them on sync

[late rune]

Skinwalkers kept going off on the ship even in orbit. I have it only enabled for masked enemy too

[wispy wolf]

bizarre what version are you using?

[late rune]

2.0.1. We had to restart the game. I could see the console being flooded with commands from skinwalker

[wispy wolf]

Are you using r2modman?

[late rune]

Yes. It was very bizarre. We would only hear it on the ship too. If we went inside it was gone. It almost sounded like it was coming from one of the players? Like they got turned into a Mask but they were alive and well

[wispy wolf]

I'm not sure what would be causing that

Hopefully a restart fixes it?

[dense sail]

this mod+ mimic overhaul is absolutely incredible ngl

[fresh raptor]

i use both as well, it makes them much spookier

[latent olive]

Hey, I constantly get these error messages in terminal from Skinwalkers: "[Info :RugbugRedfern.SkinwalkerMod] Audio folder not present. Don't worry about it, it will be created automatically when you play with friends. (D:/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Lethal Company/Lethal Company_Data..\Dissonance_Diagnostics)
[Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (00:36:26.645) BasicMicrophoneCapture: Insufficient buffer space, requested 71520, clamped to 16383 (dropping 55137 samples)"

[sinful stone]

"Don't worry about it, it will be created automatically when you play with friends."

[latent olive]

@sinful stone I see that but it spams constantly lol. Like its not 1 and done it is constant messages.

[tacit hinge]

do you play with friends

[sinful stone]

^

[tacit hinge]

it shouldn't spam it if you are playing atm

iirc

[latent olive]

yes im playing with friends, they also all have the mod downloaded

[wispy wolf]

Are you using r2modman?

[quick sand]

just found out the reason my friend kept getting errors is cause he had his game on hdd so he moved it to his ssd

now its working out

[plain crown]

Same, keeps spamming it.

[dense sail]

If I could make a suggestion, I play duo LC alot with skinwalker, i understand not being able to hear your own voice when alive, but during spectating would be neat if we could hear ourselves talking to the alive person

[sage oasis]

you would'nt hear the same audio as your friend since they're not synched between players

[placid dawn]

9

[dense sail]

Noted, hopefully that can be fixed. Stellar mod other than that

[wispy wolf]

@astral flume @fresh atlas blatant reupload: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Moth/Skinwalkers/

[fresh atlas]

skin

[wispy wolf]

wat

[fresh atlas]

I deleted it

Sorry, I am depression rn

[wispy wolf]

thx

and sorry :(

[cedar terrace]

are you ever going to fix this ?

[wispy wolf]

That's intentional, what is there to fix?

[drowsy kelp]

are you able to fix the console spamming "this folder doesnt exist yet(which is normal it will happen eventaully)"

scrolling through the console today to find more info about an error was a pain cx

it only gotta say it once

[wispy wolf]

Well the folder should exist at some point

And then it wouldn't say that anymore

[drowsy kelp]

well that bits obvious but why does it have to say it every 10 seconds

[wispy wolf]

Just do a find and replace and make it whitespace if you don't want to see it

[drowsy kelp]

my issue was just i was trying to scroll through to read something and every 10 seconds my scroll would be automatically put to the bottom

[wispy wolf]

Ah heheh

well thats just a problem with the console in general

Use the Player.log file instead

[cedar terrace]

mod spamming console = good

clean ur code man

[near lava]

how does the mod keep the temp audio files? are they deleted when the game is closed or when they leave a save file?

[potent dagger]

when the game is closed

[cedar terrace]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Catga/LuhariModFix/

someone uploaded this ?

@wispy wolf

[potent dagger]

seems to be the exact same as the original but with one thing slightly changed

[fresh atlas]

https://tenor.com/baaE8.gif

[cedar terrace]

not sure what the fix is for i couldnt spot it

[fresh atlas]

Eliminated with prejudice

[potent dagger]

the "fix" was removing the IsEnemyEnabled debug log and moving a part of the code out of the main loop

[cedar terrace]

so its a console cleaner fix

but it will prob be taken down since it dont have permission

[potent dagger]

i guess kinda

[cedar terrace]

it was removed anyways

rug rlly should clean up his code though

[potent dagger]

the version I've got has so many changes 😂 https://i.1a3.uk/1703887799.png

[cedar terrace]

can i have it

why dont rug just impliment ur fix

[potent dagger]

he's away from home I think

[cedar terrace]

at this point you might as well make ur own mod as its own thing

you did so much difference

[midnight spire]

The increased performance does sound very handy

[quasi marlin]

For real, I cannot use the original mod, I wonder if that version would fix it

[potent dagger]

not sure how much it does actually improve performance since I haven't tested the original version since I moved the game over to my SSD

so not sure if my initial stutters were only due to it being on my hard drive

[quasi marlin]

As I said on https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1184400965282050048
I have it on my SSD and it still happens. It's a bit weird tbh, it was happening some weeks ago so I disabled it, tried again a week ago and seemed to be solved but yesterday it started to happen again, same log spam as the OP in his screenshot

[midnight spire]

Fair, I'd happily test it with the rest of my modpack to see if it performs different then default. (I get some performance woes with the og though mine has always been on a ssd)

[obtuse moss]

Honestly considering removing this mod from my list tbh

[vivid estuary]

the mod generally becomes an issue the longer you play, And if you have the game on a harddrive and not an ssd

[potent dagger]

well that's just always gonna likely happen since the longer you play the more unused audio files there are

[vivid estuary]

eyup, and also all that saving of files and logging, there is an insane amount of stuff being logged

[midnight spire]

Surely there would be a cap though yeah to keep it in check?

[potent dagger]

bulk deleting singular files is fairly intensive

[midnight spire]

wipe audio at cap during orbit or sometime when performance isn't as noticable?

[vivid estuary]

yeah if anything maybe that would be something that could be done when landing on the company building or something as its a low resource demanding area.

[midnight spire]

sorry I'm not super familar with coding but throwing ideas out there, though they might not be that helpful lol

[potent dagger]

hmm that could work, from my testing it seemed like the recording was more intensive than how many files there were

[vivid estuary]

yeah, but i think introducing a cap and also deleting would be the optimal thing to do

[north yacht]

Ideally once the cap of the number of clips is reached, the mod should stop saving new clips, until old ones are used up and there is space again.
Could also put an adjustable cap on how often it saves / deletes a clip, like X clips every 10 seconds or something. (not sure how often it does it)

[midnight spire]

Does it record at all times?

[potent dagger]

on the thunderstore version yeah, on mine its configurable

probably makes sense to clear the recordings when you leave a lobby rather than persisting over lobbies

and could also do a config option for whether it clears when going into orbit or at the company building

[midnight spire]

Yeah since it sounds like both the recording and bulk storage over time sound like the heaviest hitters

[potent dagger]

with over 1000 audio files i had little issues when recording was disabled when i did some tests the other week

[midnight spire]

Though I imagine it'd be tricky to balance when the recording takes place so you don't get only half of a player sentence etc

[potent dagger]

well yeah thats why it constantly records

[midnight spire]

Didn't you mention that yours isn't constant? I may have misread what you meant before

[potent dagger]

since the dissonance (voice plugin lethal company uses) debug mode automatically creates a new file each time you talk

[potent dagger]

Mine has config options to disable recording whilst alive/dead/in orbit

[midnight spire]

ah I see

I wonder if a cooldown would work, it'd miss some things you say but if it was set to a time where you couldstill get a decent amount of lines for enemies to use..

[north yacht]

I see now, looking at the code, this mod doesn't actually record the voices, it just enables a debug setting for the voice chat plugin that lethal company uses that logs the voices to the game folder. So it can't just choose how many clips to save at once / how often to save them.

you could still enable / disable recording periodically, but that probably wouldn't help much without cutting clips really short

[midnight spire]

though that'd be more of the dissonance plugin related than the mod

[north yacht]

yeah, but all this mod does is enable the recording, then grab clips. It doesn't determine how often they get saved, just how often they are read/deleted

[midnight spire]

I wonder if it can tell when a clip is made..
As in with the cooldown idea to cut down on active recording times.
-Enable recording (per player?)
-wait till clip has been generated
-see clip generated, turn off recording for X period of time

[potent dagger]

can't do per player

its one true/false for recording all players

[midnight spire]

So it'd be elsewhere then where it excludes you from hearing your own voice

[north yacht]

If the performance is caused by the disk being bogged down with write speed, there's not much that can be done, I think. Even if you only periodically enabled recording, it would be bogged down for the period of time it's recording.

[potent dagger]

yeah

[potent dagger]

recording ur own mic is a separate debug option

[north yacht]

The best solution would be for the mod to hook into the voice streams directly and save it's own audio files. Then it could grab a new clip whenever it needs it, implement a cap, use cpu/ram to identify silence points to generate smaller slips, use higher compression, whatever is needed to reduce the load. It'd be a huge undertaking, but that's probably the only way to fix the issue completely.

[untold bridge]

Any plans for making it optionally work randomly over the walkie too?

[potent dagger]

https://i.1a3.uk/1703895054.png

i havent actually tried it yet tbf

[potent dagger]

thats actually a fair point...

[untold bridge]

Check the Diversity mod code, cause it have random voice lines of ghost girl playing over walkie sometimes, maybe will help

[potent dagger]

i tried to work out if i could directly pipe it into an audioclip (which i didnt get anywhere with)

but i could maybe just limit how often it saves

[midnight spire]

Cheers for the info , makes more sense where the performance hits come from specifically. So realistically I just need to trim my modpack back to something reasonable lol.
Hopefully you'd be allowed to share your version of skinwalkers 1A3 since the config option for masked using a specfic voiceline sounds very good

[potent dagger]

yeah that's the first thing i did then it kinda spiralled

😂

[obtuse moss]

I wish I'd grabbed a download of your version to see if it runs better for me lol

[cedar terrace]

is his even a fork why does he need permission didnt he make it himself its just a mod that does the same thing but with more features

[potent dagger]

nah its based of the thunderstore decompiled code of skinwalker

[wispy wolf]

I think there's just a static audio source for walkie audio

[wispy wolf]

Cuz it's not a fork xD he's just using the decompiled code, he doesn't have a license

[potent dagger]

that message was in regards to KM's message about "the best solution would be for the mod to hook into the voice streams directly" not the walkie talkies

xD

[wispy wolf]

ah

mk

[cerulean vector]

A idea, add a config to alow some monsters to talk more often compared to others

[wispy wolf]

I think 1A3 did that? Not sure if I want to implement it tho

[potent dagger]

Yeah I've done that

[wispy wolf]

Per monster voice frequency is a lot more config settings

Also imo the two main bugs that actually need fixing are

• stutters when recording
• spectators cannot hear voice lines

everything else is kinda just fluff

[potent dagger]

do you mean spectators shouldnt be able to hear voice lines?

[wispy wolf]

They should be

Right now they can't

[potent dagger]

ah

i just disabled it on my build cuz it didnt make much sense to me noting its not synced

[potent dagger]

yeah i have like 55 settings total for all enemies

[wispy wolf]

Jesus

yeah no lol

[potent dagger]

(total not per enemy)

its 3 per enemy

[potent dagger]

is there an issue with having so many config settings? 🤔

[wispy wolf]

it's messy

ig if they're in a separate section its not too bad

[potent dagger]

it's not as messy if using https://lethal.wiki/dev/intermediate/custom-config-syncing

tried it earlier today https://i.1a3.uk/1703901387.png

its not in the main file so not as messy

[wispy wolf]

mm

[potent dagger]

plus its just defining the variable & binding (no need for networkvariables n all that stuff)

[cerulean vector]

Ah, well perhaps have one just for the mask, since it would be the one that makes the most since to talk more

Again just throwing ideas this mod is in top 3 for me

Maybe #1 lol

[wispy wolf]

ye

[potent dagger]

spectators cannot hear voice lines
Fairly simple fix Vector3 playerPos = StartOfRound.Instance.localPlayerController.isPlayerDead ? StartOfRound.Instance.spectateCamera.transform.position : StartOfRound.Instance.localPlayerController.transform.position;

[wispy wolf]

neat

[spiral terrace]

Will there be a feature where you can hear the voices of your friends and yourself when your dead? Cause when I'm dead I usually hear my friend saying "Is that you gia?" without nothing speaking at all.

[grim lake]

what updates have been made to this mod since last time i checked

[safe glen]

May I make a suggestion?

It would be neat if you could add this in the settings specifically for this mod, but if you were able to pre-record some dialogue that you read, such as "Follow me", "HELP!", "ARGH!", "Pass me the torch", "Give me the torch", "Oh hey there", "Check this out", etc etc.

I combined this mod with a few other mods that hide the mask, stop the zombie arms, and hides players names, so players genuinely think it's the other living player. The only thing that throws them off is when the 'Skinwalker' says things like "We should buy some Walkie-Talkies" and things like that. Of course the Skinwalkers will still say those things, but adding in the other elements where you can deceive your friends would be hilarious and way more immersive in the game.

[vernal grove]

come with joe biden

[covert silo]

None

[grim lake]

could u send me a link to the no zombie habds mod plz

hands*

[safe glen]

I'll have a look for it again for you (at work right now)

[lone belfry]

this is the best mod

[safe glen]

It's called MaskedEnemyOverhaul

You can remove the mask from it too. So they look like a normal player. I'd also get HidePlayerNames as the 'Masked creature' doesn't have a name floating above its head.

This makes it more immersive and scarier.

[haughty elk]

I also use this combo, it's honestly great

[sacred leaf]

i don't think hideplayernames is really necessary, player names already seem a bit odd in terms of when they appear so i wouldn't notice if someone didn't have one.

[sacred leaf]

anyways this is an amazing clip

[cerulean vector]

Just thought about this, if a mod that adds monsters, would they also be able to play voices or is it just the normal monsters?

[fresh raptor]

Just normal monsters rn

[oblique tangle]

Modded monsters would work too I’m pretty sure, had the ooblterra mod installed with this and those monsters talked

[glass jewel]

Modded monsters work, but you can't disable their voices if you only want voices enabled for specific mobs

[cerulean vector]

got it

[fresh raptor]

oh, they do?

ive litterally only heard them from vanilla, ig im lucky lol

[past fiber]

yea i've never heard boomba make a peep

[somber mauve]

probably it's not added to the list of enemies?

[potent dagger]

seems like boombas do have EnemyAI so it technically should work on them since it seems like it defaults to enabled on enemies that have no configuration

[past fiber]

to be fair i've only seen boomba 3 times since it came out so it could've just never lined up for me

[wispy wolf]

It is

[past fiber]

would it be possible to generate extra configs then, kind of like lethal quantities?

[wispy wolf]

?

[ocean loom]

I think what’s being asked is if it’s possible to dynamically generate config entries for modded monsters if they’re present

[drowsy mirage]

Hi, not sure if this has been asked yet but is there a way to make the voicelines that are heard not clientside?

[wispy wolf]

Oh, maybe

[wispy wolf]

No

[drowsy mirage]

Is that a planned feature

[wispy wolf]

No

But it is a possibility

[oblique tangle]

I think it’d be a good idea just for the fact that when you’re with a small group you all hear different things and makes it less deceiving

The fact that its client side is the only downside I think this mod has

[wispy wolf]

Well if you're in a group it doesn't work very well in the first place

The whole point is to lure you off when you're alone

[oblique tangle]

yea I get that but I think its also be kind of scary to have it lure a duo or something 🤷‍♂️

I also see why it'd kind of be difficult to make this server side, I don't know a whole lot about coding but for it'd to be server side it'd have to upload the sound files and sync for all the players

[vivid estuary]

well i guess putting all the file saving on the host only would cut down on local saving, and make it possible to have all sounds be events serverside. which would also cut down on clientside weight. But it would open it up to net issues i guess.

and also i guess since the clients would lack the soundfiles it might make it an issue anyways depending on amount and syncing issues that would cause.
but again maybe if the sync happened while on ship in space it would have a limited window of syncing with temp files on the clients instead of constant barrages of saving.
though that would remove the hillarious moments when it uses very resent comments to really trick people to their deaths..
im conflicted on this thing cause on one side, server based sounds are nice and would cause people to become paranoid together, but also the potential issues and workload to make it work might excede that relativly tiny bonus.

[potent dagger]

I had a mess around with tryna send wav files as bytes to all clients the other day and couldn't get it working, i do have a working version where if the host has the mod then the clients only play sounds when receiving an event from the host (and it attempts to play a clip from the same person for everyone - it still records locally on all clients though which is why I can't just play the exact same clip however ofc there is a higher chance of people hearing the same one)

[vivid estuary]

yeah i think the issue would be in matching the soundfiles, maybe going by the saved timestamps or something might be a thing. though that is also a matching and timezone issue 😛

[potent dagger]

well yeah my thing tries to find the exact same file name but if it can't it has a fallback to the same person then another fallback to a random person

[vivid estuary]

actually maybe look in at how the tv/bombox mods where you can insert youtube links or what ever to play stuff and how that works.

[potent dagger]

well the ones of them that use local files require all clients to have the same files

[vivid estuary]

boombox controller is the one i think of

but maybe their solution only works thanks to a thirdparty like youtube.

[potent dagger]

if i completely turn off recording in my config and shove a bunch of wav files in the folder then made sure everyone had the same files my code would be 100% synced

[potent dagger]

they use ffmpeg/youtube-dl to download the file locally which would have the same name for everyone

[vivid estuary]

Ah okay yeah that make sense

i really need to get around to taking a look under the hood of the game.

[north yacht]

LCSoundTool supposedly has networking support for sending sounds https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/no00ob/LCSoundTool/

[wispy wolf]

I know

Doesn't fix the underlying issue of sending large files over there network lagging games

[oblique tangle]

you could make it so that the clients record players at the same time or something? But still have it randomized with the seed?

It probably wouldn’t be completely synced up though ig

[vagrant oak]

I do look forward to whenever this mod gets it's next update, I removed it for now due to the fact that it just starts to murder performance after a few hours in of gameplay

[wispy wolf]

Yeah I plan to fix that first

When I get back

[vagrant oak]

Yeah I look forward to it ^^

[queen sphinx]

im having troubles locating the config file because im dumb

the file isnt showing up in the bepinex config file even though I started it im confused

[wispy wolf]

Use r2modman

[queen sphinx]

i got it to work with thunderstore because i was checking the actual game files

instead of seeing the config files

[shrewd elk]

is it maybe possible to use same technique as game uses to transmit voice chat in real time?

[wispy wolf]

It's complicated since that's part of a pretty complex third party library which uses multithreading

But yes that would be the ideal way

[woven cosmos]

Does this still conflict with Lethal Progression?

[lost garnet]

Hoping it will be possible to configure this toggle for custom enemies

Not too picky if it's individual or not, I'm fine with a "disable on all modded enemies"

[wispy wolf]

No

[civic moss]

Same here man but hopefully rug can change that cuz its weird hearing ur friends voice on for example a skibidi toilet monster

[solemn tinsel]

Is there any estimate as to when this might be added to the mod or released as a fork? Very excited at the possibility that voicelines for masked might actually be able to match the player skins that they use.

Also, would there be a way to make it so masked that spawn naturally exclusively use player voicelines consistent with their player skin (i.e. not just masked spawned via killing and "turning" a player, but all masked ONLY use voicelines from the player they are mimicking)

[safe glen]

I second this as the immersion ends there.

Me and my friends want to have difficulties telling them apart. The biggest hint being their dialogue in general.

[inland pulsar]

What do guys use/think are the best config settings to have it be fouling people but not over do it?

[solemn tinsel]

I've found that default amounts of voicelines are fine, because having them speak with any voice around a corner or through a wall is fine - as it can draw players toward them - but if they speak too much they can give themselves away too early while in line of sight.
Otherwise just making sure nametags are off, not using the flashlight or walkie mod that adds those to the player model, not using morecompany cosmetics, only having skinwalkers voicelines apply to masked (optional but I prefer that) and ofc the maskedenemyoverhaul mod so they don't have masks and their arms stay down.

[inland pulsar]

You think having it 1 is good because when I had it on 1, I barely noticed it. I guess I'm just kinda salty that I have had this mod installed for so long and never really have someone fold.
It's always either there are to many people close together that the extra voice line just goes unnoticed or no one is talking and then suddenly someone says something, they ask did you here "Blank" talk? They all heard someone or something different and instantly loss all engagement with any callouts.

I would love there to be an option to have the Voice lines be the same for everyone except the person being imitated.
So the skin walker can't be figured out that easily and so people can prank other and also not be caught instantly.

I understand that networking is a bitch so I wont get my hopes up

[placid tusk]

What does the "Audio source failed to initialize audio spatializer. An audio spatializer is specified in the audio project settings, but the associated plugin was not found or initialized properly. Please make sure that the selected spatializer is compatible with the target." mean?

did i download it wrong=

[sacred leaf]

applying this to snare fleas is quite possibly the most horrible (in a good way) thing ever

[shrewd elk]

it spams like that even in vanilla

[wispy wolf]

It's planned

[wispy wolf]

@fresh atlas can i be special

[fresh atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1193643906638807143

[wispy wolf]

ah

[fresh atlas]

:3

[wispy wolf]

too chaotic for me 😔

yall have fun

[past tree]

After reading the patchnotes... could I be informed how a level-up system mod can conflict with a mod about voice mimicry? TL;DR it if ye want, but I'm honestly curious as to even how they could be even remotely interfering with each other. That would be one of the last type of mods I'd assume could even cause an issue (Hell, I'd say "Yippee" mod would be closer than that because they both mess with audio).

[wispy wolf]

the way they implemented networking conflicted

[past tree]

huh... here I was thinkin' the entirety of that mod could be client-sided.

[wispy wolf]

the config isnt

host has to sync config to clients

[past tree]

and that very small syncing of a config conflicted 🤣 ... god I love the world of modding...

Coding memes will never fail even to this day

Ty for the info 'n response @wispy wolf

[agile arch]

Just wanted to say, I LOVE your mod, its amazing.
You did an amazing job

[wispy wolf]

thx 😄

[agile arch]

Np, i get so many good moment thanks to it

[past tree]

Oh, no seriously. I've cried I think 5+ times from what your mod has done. It's a no-brainer of a mod to add and ensure everyone has. It doesn't seem to play the same sounds sometimes (I don't know if that's intentional or not) - but god has it sent my chest into a heaving mess trying to stop laughing half the time

[sacred leaf]

has repeating a player's own voice to them been removed?

[potent dagger]

that was a thing?

since it records playback audio not your own microphone 🤔

[high anvil]

Would it be possible to generate the config on launch for modded monsters? Or if not that then a config option to make the default option to not mimic if theres no config set?

[wispy wolf]

thats never been a feature?

[wispy wolf]

in the future

[sacred leaf]

i'm nuts i guess

[high anvil]

ty kind mod dev

[vagrant oak]

@wispy wolf Yay so glad you managed to fianlly update the mod ^^ so that's why it would lag after a while I thought it had something to do with how it saved sounds didn't know there was a memory leak lol

[wispy wolf]

heres hoping that was the issue 😅

pretty sure its fixed, but players will need to test to see

[vagrant oak]

I think so, cus I know a Spore Lizard spawned once and the game started hitching like mad so I disabled Spore Lizards in the config lol

[wispy wolf]

🤔

[robust spade]

~~@wispy wolf are you the same rug in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7K9MNMfktE~~

Turns out actually reading answered the question - yes he is

[wispy wolf]

Yeah how'd you find out 🤔

[vagrant oak]

Btw @wispy wolf Any chance you'll add support for Masked Enemy Overhaul so the mimic uses the voice of the person it's mimicing consistently? I think that would be pretty fun but dunno how hard that would be to implement lol

[cedar terrace]

im not a fan of how much info skinwalker mod gives away in console what creatures spawned if they play a clip near you

these things should be a debug option

[quasi marlin]

Why would you look at the console if its not to debug?

[vagrant oak]

I agree with this I personally disable the console unless I'm trying to find errors with a mod

[wispy wolf]

Don't look at console...?

[haughty elk]

Alternatively use LessLogs, this neat mod makes a config for all mods meaning you can entirely exclude all from what you don't like in a single mod

[cedar terrace]

I like error logs atleast

[haughty elk]

Yeah it allows you to narrow down category of log

[potent dagger]

in bepinex cfg https://i.1a3.uk/1704741091.png

[cedar terrace]

hmm i tried this before i thi k maybe it reverted itself

[craggy finch]

This is only for BepIn logs, right?

[charred imp]

That will get rid of any mods logs that are not fatal, error, or warning

That's how I run my game lol cause I could care less about the grey logs

I Wana see red and yellow

[craggy finch]

If that's the case, what's the point of LessLogs then?

[umbral rivet]

its crazy how this is one of the most downloaded mods

[craggy finch]

Is it? It's perfect for content creators.

[wispy wolf]

🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[umbral rivet]

true

[umbral rivet]

i didnt mean that its a bad mod im just saying its crazy how it became so big in a month

[wispy wolf]

ah

yeah

crazy stuff

[craggy finch]

Do you no longer need DissonanceLagFix with latest version of Skinwalkers?

[potent dagger]

nope

[craggy finch]

Double negative, but I assume you meant to confirm what I said. 😅

[potent dagger]

nope as in you don't need it

[cedar terrace]

@wispy wolf does it work for v47 ?

[wispy wolf]

yes

[cedar terrace]

nice

[wispy wolf]

2.0.4

• Updated for Lethal Company v47
• Attempted to reduce the stutter that can affect some players by reducing Dissonance log output (1A3)
• Fixed an issue where the Ghost Girl could play voice lines for players she was not haunting (1A3)

[cedar terrace]

nice

[wispy wolf]

2.0.5

• Updated for Lethal Company v48
• Added an option to the config to disable voices from modded enemies.

[robust spade]

Your YT is linked to your Discord, and in that video your channel is linked in the description. The video itself just plopped into my recommended though, so it was a neat coincidence

[wispy wolf]

ahh ok makes sense

pretty cool to have people find me from random other stuff lol

[vagrant oak]

Honestly 2.0.4 was working fine because v48 is a minor hotfix XD

I do love the new config option though

[sinful stone]

I was about to fucking lose it upon seeing "v48"

[vagrant oak]

Yeah don't worry all mods that were updated for v47 work with v48

I have a modlist of 60 mods that all are working fine, removed deprecated fixes such as LCSprayFix, LandmineFix and LC_Masked_Fix lol

So btw @wispy wolf this means the mimic fire escapes can talk now if left enabled right? Lmfao cus that's amazing XD

[wispy wolf]

no, they dont inherit EnemyAI

[vagrant oak]

Ahhh okay lol

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikyHonestTomatoThisIsSparta-2yBYGgdQN0_gHLIX Lmfao such a good Skinwalkers moment btw, the Bracken going "Wait a minute" then slowly backing away XD

[wispy wolf]

lol

[cedar terrace]

lol

he wanted you to wait

[vagrant oak]

Lol it's funny he was like "Crap I've been spotted"

[sinful stone]

It's funny how no one has noticed that rug was devoured and replaced by "rug"

[cedar terrace]

When will we get the synchronized net code version 😭

[potent dagger]

I sent Rug the code for my version of skinwalker last night which includes all of my changes (which includes the host controlling when clients play audio and who to play a sound from)

seems like he's going through it bit-by-bit noting he's already added some of my changes

[craggy finch]

How taxing is it on the host?

[potent dagger]

probably a bit, only tested that on LAN so not fully sure

[cedar terrace]

Id be down to test netcode when i wake up but i just went to bed if you need people to test with i have i9 12900k cpu 3090 gpu

With the dll of course

[vagrant oak]

I have an i9 12900k and RTX 3060 lol

i9 12900k gang

[cedar terrace]

This cpu gets so hot

[vagrant oak]

I know

LOL

[cedar terrace]

Such a silly cpu

[vagrant oak]

the 13 series are even worse lol

[potent dagger]

if the file names for recordings were the exact same then it'd be 100% synced

[vagrant oak]

I think 14 is also pretty bad if I remember

[potent dagger]

but noting they wouldn't be it'd just fallback to a random sound from the same player as the sound the host tried to play