Lethal Things

[willow abyss]

this made me laugh out loud

[dense oriole]

this is why i prefer new save after big mod updates lol

[willow abyss]

Yeah, i would attempt to rewrite lethallib to handle this, but that would likely break mods that don't use lethallib

[dense oriole]

make it so good everyone uses it as a dependency

problem solved

🤣

[willow abyss]

i think i got a solution that will work

it will break any existing save that uses lethallib, but that shouldn't be a problem

because they break already anyway whenever a mod updates lol

[dense oriole]

oop mean makes*

all i can think about to that statement is mark saying well ive done all i can do

[willow abyss]

zeekerss isn't even using itemids correctly

https://share.evaisa.dev/TjtiNeHub.png

most things have fucking id 0

bruh

[dense oriole]

"laser pointer : 1"

[stiff prawn]

when i step on a boomba it starts to explode over and over again and i dont take damage 😭

[lethal marten]

the strongest zeekers code

[surreal tangle]

then how do save files work?

they save based on item id

[lethal marten]

through sheer power of will

[surreal tangle]

🔥

[willow abyss]

they do not

they save based on index

lmao

[surreal tangle]

...

so how does it know what it is

[willow abyss]

it doesn't

[surreal tangle]

???????????

[willow abyss]

if the allItemsList changes

every item index shifts

and things become different items

[surreal tangle]

WHAT??????????

[willow abyss]

the game has every item predefined in allItemsList

[surreal tangle]

😭

so if he adds items

[willow abyss]

and uses it's index there to figure out which items are saved in the ship

[surreal tangle]

to that list

Nah thats so silly

[willow abyss]

it only breaks if stuff is removed or added earlier in the list

but it is a problem for mods

because if you remove mods, or items are added ot mods, and you have multiple mods installed

[surreal tangle]

so their "ID" is the index within the list of all itmes

[willow abyss]

you shift all the item indexes from other mods

yes

[surreal tangle]

Thats such an L

[willow abyss]

it is implemented terribly if you want any sort of runtime manipulation

[glass helm]

so depending on the loading sequents of mods it could shift too?

[willow abyss]

which is what mods have to do to add custom items

[willow abyss]

yes

[glass helm]

zamn

[willow abyss]

well

mods will always load in the same order

unless there is soft dependencies

[surreal tangle]

😭 dude my save editor is gonna be way harder now

make an id fixer mod 🙏

[willow abyss]

i am saving the order of the allItemsList using a mixer of ItemID, ItemName, and AssetName

so that they always load in the same order

but that still breaks if an item was removed

or if the name of an item was changed

lol

there really is no good solution which doesn't involve rewriting the save system

[surreal tangle]

nah thats lit

what a great way to save data

[celest obsidian]

thank you

you saved me

[willow abyss]

whuh?

were you also looking into this issue lol

[celest obsidian]

he did it he saved data

nah I'm just screwing around

[surreal tangle]

https://verity.femboy.services/free/cfm5fmjf.png
Isn't the whole point of this "ES3" unity asset so that you can serialize objects to a save file

holy fuck this hurts

[willow abyss]

it can serialize gameobjects yes

and custom structs

[surreal tangle]

Well I didn't even know that

[willow abyss]

there is so many better ways to handle saving than zeekerss did

[surreal tangle]

I meant custom objects or stuctures LOL

Just make one with item info

and just store that

[willow abyss]

yeah lol

[surreal tangle]

I might recode this

[willow abyss]

zeekers opted to store things in like 6 different lists

[willow abyss]

(it think it is more like 4)

but still

just as horrific

[surreal tangle]

Item position, item value, item id

all based on index 😭

[willow abyss]

you forgot about item save data

which is another stupid rabbit hole

[surreal tangle]

Wtf even is that??

like battery?

[willow abyss]

no

[celest obsidian]

position?

[willow abyss]

grabbableobjects have this system for saving and loading custom data

[surreal tangle]

no position is sotred someone else

stored*

[willow abyss]

like shotgun ammo uses it

however

it can only store ints

and only a single int per item

so it is basically useless for anything else

[surreal tangle]

😦

What the actual fuck

Okay time to recode!!!!

[surreal tangle]

https://verity.femboy.services/free/fdinr6vu.png

why is it a class, with a list inside of it

[Info :Save Recode] Item: Gift, Id: 152767

ah yes

lots of sense

[willow abyss]

my solution seems decently stable now

surely this won't break every mod that uses lethallib

[glass helm]

https://tenor.com/view/gorila-gorilla-shocked-side-eye-jaw-drop-gif-18303163152195218481

[celest obsidian]

Our mods will still point to your older version of it anyway won't they

[willow abyss]

not if people click update all in modmanager

which most people do lol

i don't think it should break anything, except for old saves

[celest obsidian]

Oh well, I delete saves between every playthrough

They aren't a big deal, you get impossible quota in a few rounds lol

[glass helm]

true

[jovial shell]

Thats what she said?

[surreal tangle]

🤨🤨🤨🤨

[tawdry gazelle]

Am I the only one that cant buy a flare and only a flashlight?

[willow abyss]

oh is the autocomplete fucking up?

[tawdry gazelle]

yes even if I type out the whole word

[dark sonnet]

I made a mod pack for my friends and the first thing they all did was update all mods, which of course broke things when I was hosting with out of date mods 😆

[cunning steppe]

unable to grab flaregun off the cabinet shelf

[cunning steppe]

also why is the rocket launcher so cheap

300 seems ridiculously low. I always set it to like 900 lol

i view it as a "oh FUCK yeah i can afford to splurge on this" sort of thing

[hasty quest]

I keep it cheaper than a shotgun in my pack because it 90% of the time it won't be the monster that solely dies

[cunning steppe]

getting some errors thrown by this mod

how would i go about providing a log

[lusty rampart]

You can copy your log by going to the Settings screen, selecting the Debugging tab and clicking Copy LogOutput.log to clipboard

[stiff prawn]

anyone know what could be causing boombas to repetivevly explode and deal no damage when activated?

[hasty quest]

Do you have any other mods

[stiff prawn]

....mno

[hasty quest]

Bruh

Probably one of them

[hasty quest]

Did you use fair ai and it's latest version

[stiff prawn]

nah

is fair ai a common issue with boombas?

[hasty quest]

It was until it was patched

[stoic igloo]

Hello 👋 can someone explain to me what does the toy hammer actually do ? The description is mostly jokes but now I don't know if this thing deals more damages, doesn't hurt allies or just makes funny noises

[lethal marten]

it's completely harmless!*

[tawdry gazelle]

It's weird because I remeber it hurting some of my friends and also killing a head bug with it

[willow abyss]

it has a 1% chance to insta kill

other than that it does nothing

[tawdry gazelle]

I feel like this item would be better as scrap because it's more gimmicky than useful, like the sign post or the BANG revolver

you buy it like once as a joke and then you never see it again.
making it scrap would make it more of a novelty

[willow abyss]

idk if it kinda fun as a shop item because someone always wastes money on it and ends up accidentally killing a team member lol

[tawdry gazelle]

I guess it depends on the group but my friends are not that intrested in buying it just for a quick laugh but if we find something funny it's instently more interesting and more of an insentive to interact with it

[willow abyss]

maybe i can make it a config setting to switch it between being a scrap and a shop item

i am currently overhauling the whole content loading / config system anyway

[tawdry gazelle]

I would appreciate it a lot but at the end of the day it is just funny hammer go bonk

[celest obsidian]

The hammer confused me too

[surreal tangle]

When can we clean the dirty items with the shower?

[willow abyss]

you can already wash arson

i added that last weekend

[fleet bridge]

when can we cleanse our sins in the shower

[willow abyss]

never, sins are encouraged

[surreal tangle]

LETS GOOOOOOO

[lethal marten]

can we wash arson in the floodwaters

baptize arson in the vow river

[willow abyss]

do not the cat

[willow abyss]

https://share.evaisa.dev/MbnIG54rl.png

me when no thoughts

[hasty quest]

Who tf you starin' at

[hasty quest]

⚫ ⚫

[neon tusk]

yooo please tell me thats exactly what i think it is

[sterile field]

Encountered a bug where maxwell will still sometimes be evil after loading into a game and picking it up, our maxwell is gone now 😦

[willow abyss]

the goober

[neon tusk]

A goober

Oooh it looks like a carbuncle

I thought it was an anomalocaris sadly

[willow abyss]

it is more like a mantaray

[neon tusk]

Yee

Ohhh

This could be the first water enemy to be in the game :D

[smoky kite]

Space Manta needs not water, for it swims among the stars

[neon tusk]

Wo

[neon tusk]

Wait it goes :3

[smoky kite]

Its ocean is the cosmic places between reality that you could scarcely comprehend

[willow abyss]

it swims in the atmosphere

[neon tusk]

A flying creature,,

[willow abyss]

filled with helium

[neon tusk]

They are ballons🎈

[hasty quest]

Does it appear after you don't sleep for 3 in-game nights

[astral hull]

found footage of goober

I could never be a game dev I would leak everything for clout

[arctic ledge]

https://www.twitch.tv/madonyxx

[stiff prawn]

destroyer of runs. the king of the floods. lord of all that is swimming

[willow abyss]

tbf that is a good way to build hype

:)

[acoustic pewter]

roomba doing zero damage

[lusty rampart]

Probably mod incompatibility. Died to one earlier.

[glass aspen]

Flare gun seems to be unable to be picked up when stored

Ammo is able to be, but the hitbox is sometimes below the shelf parts and is lower than the model

[neon tusk]

You can definitely pick it up, buf whatever the interaction zone is feels like it needs to be bigger for sure.

Can be annoying trying to grab it, or flares

[glass aspen]

Must've gotten flare gun in an awful spot then haha, can't seem to grab it one bit

[chilly kiln]

Yeah placing the flare gun into the cabinet makes the zone almost non existent. It was the same for me for the ammo too. I just placed them next to the lever/table for the moment.

[neon tusk]

Yeah, its definitely hard to nab.

[elfin berry]

Literally my favorite mod rn, I absolutely love the hacking tool

They need it in the actual game, having a way to open doors and stuff without having to sacrifice someone to sit at terminal all round is so needed. It has to have a inconvenience so it's balanced tho, and the mini game is perfect 👌

[sterile field]

More of our maxwells exploded after reloading the game reee, hope this will be fixed lol

[stoic laurel]

Nuh uh

[willow abyss]

will look into it, it is weird because this was definitely fixed at one point

[willow abyss]

hmm i cannot reproduce this

i have tried placing it all over the cabinet and can grab it fine

[chilly kiln]

@willow abyss Maybe just got unlucky? I was the only one out of our group using it. Might be my mods/modpack too but I've been using your lethalthings since It came out so it hasn't been a problem tbh. In this vid I had to move my camera just out of its model to grab it. So now I been throwing the gun near the lever with the ammo.

[leaden gyro]

@willow abyss what does this mean ?

i can see the gamba mod i have is causing issues is that all ?

[hasty quest]

Gamba mod broke a lot of stuff for my pack

Don't recommend it

[leaden gyro]

yeah i removed it

it fixed that error

[leaden gyro]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JunLethalCompany/GamblingMachineAtTheCompany/

lol the timing

gambling is back

[neon tusk]

did you know

90% of gamblers stop before they win big

[stoic laurel]

99%!!

[novel pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-poker-stewie-plays-poker-stewie-griffin-las-vegas-gif-19327969

[neon tusk]

ah im sorry, i forgot that gambling georg is a statistical error

who gambles 300 million times a day

[hasty quest]

Tower unite's casino fried my brain on gambling so this will not be healthy to my runs

[leaden gyro]

xD

[neon tusk]

i love that mod but also

damn

if i could turn off the music in the config

i feel like im in a youtube short when im using it

[sterile field]

Oh yeah, idk if anyone's reported this but the dart board completely lags out your ship, for some reason the darts keep multiplying every round and eventually it gets so laggy it breaks the game

[stoic igloo]

Are the plushies/puppets scraps optimized ? Because my fps drop by half when getting near the ship with all the scrap, and I feel like the models are kind of unoptimized, can we have the polycount maybe ?

Actually my whole crew is complaining about the fps drops and we ain't got any graphic mod so my bet is on unoptimized assets because it happens mostly in the ship

[willow abyss]

never had that issue

the models are pretty low poly already afaik

@astral hull creacher

or bilka

[willow abyss]

oh the dartboard should only spawn new darts if the old darts are lost so that's weird

will put it on my list of things to check

[sterile field]

yeah there was like 40 of them, we tried throwing them off the ship to get rid of them but they all just respawned and made us crash lol

should've taken a pic in hindsight

[willow abyss]

interesting

ill look into it tomorrow, next update probably won't be here for a while though as i have been doing some large rewrites and everything needs testing

[sterile field]

all good! my favorite part about lethalthings is maxwell so I hope the maxwell fixed will be included, we had three maxwells and they all exploded because we reloaded 😦

[willow abyss]

maxwell should be fixed in the next version 👍 i implemented a fix earlier

[sterile field]

yay 🙂

[willow abyss]

i also synced config files so everything should work better in general

[astral hull]

Yeah none of them use subdiv they’re all hand-sculpted

They’re about as low poly as you get

[willow abyss]

wonder if it is all the fucking ngons

both you are bilka

[astral hull]

Ask bilga

None of my models have ngons how dare you

[willow abyss]

i'm eba

why whenever i am working on stuff i get tired but then as soon as i am in bed i suddenly feel like i wanna be productive

[smoky kite]

@astral hull @willow abyss Somebody not in the server wanted to send their regards to you two for the mod and the silly things your dolls say.

i need to give her a big hug
i love that mod so much
it has literally brought me so much joy, I'm not joking

Thought you two would like to hear it

[smoky kite]

She's a big fan of Arson haha

[frosty spade]

everyone likes arson

[neon tusk]

i mean, its arson

you gotta love perfection

[astral hull]

:)

[smoky kite]

Okay it turns out they are in the server but were too shy to say it, I guess?

[astral hull]

out them

[smoky kite]

@wispy ginkgo :3

[wispy ginkgo]

I'M NOT SHY

[smoky kite]

Mhmm

[astral hull]

hehe I didn't think llama would out you so fast

[wispy ginkgo]

aaaa

it's a good mod okay

[smoky kite]

I knew they really wanted to tell you guys they liked the mod, hehe

[wispy ginkgo]

errm yes, i support the creation of this mod :3

[keen prawn]

has anyone looked into this i think its rather concerning

[willow abyss]

flashbang screenshot

if you are on darkmode, go into discord settings, accessibility, and turn on sync profile themes

it'll make all profiles darkmode

:)

i swear i am not hoarding bug

[keen prawn]

wtf thank you

[willow abyss]

saved another soul

[vital forge]

minor difference

[south fog]

[remote wasp]

question : Yesterday me and my friends were playing but when using the rocket launcher only me as the host was able to die from it. But my friends were invulnerable . Is there a way to fix this or is it a known glitch?
Also they were still dying from monsters so they weren't fully invincible

[golden trail]

This was the most useful info I got today lol. Dark mode... Saved my soul also 🤣🤣

[neon tusk]

Do you have LC_API or lethalexpansion?

[remote wasp]

i've got them both

[neon tusk]

yeahhh get rid of both of those.

those two mods dont play nice with lethallib, and alot of glitches can happen bc of it

unsure if your glitches are specific to that, but its just better to check

[willow abyss]

That doesn't sound related

[neon tusk]

fair enough

[remote wasp]

if its helps i believe my team mates also weren't dying from getting hit with the toy hammer either.

[willow abyss]

Well toy hammer only has 1% chance of doing damage

[remote wasp]

ahh so that doesnt help XD sorry haha

[remote wasp]

okay so i just tried it with a friend

where he hosted and i played. and he could die but i couldn't

so its something where the host ins vulerable but the players coming in aren't

[remote wasp]

Was able to figure it out . It was either the backrooms or an out of date morecompany causing the issue

everything is working now

[tight grail]

Is there an option to enable charging Two-Handed items(very important)? It doesn't work for me

[novel pecan]

What two handed objects are you trying to charge? lol

[marsh stream]

I imagine the reason why there's only 1 handed is because it is just reusing the flashlight/walkie charging animation. Evaisa would probably have to make a custom animation for 2h.

[lethal marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHv-Vs8uvU

someone got mad about the items in the comments, the coward doesn't like the plushies

[novel pecan]

I didn't notice any plushies but that clip is funny lol

[pulsar badger]

lmao saw that comment, its extra funny considering we have a fat pajama man plushie in the base game on top of all the other toys, 100% could be in base game, and im sorry but arson is 10/10

[stoic igloo]

Hey is it possible to add a weight config on teleporter traps ? So they don't spawn as much for example ?

[azure panther]

idk if this is just the luck of the draw, or it got updated, or what; but when I first started using lethalthings the tp traps were EVERYWHEREEEE and now I hardly see them at all lol. A config would be awesome

[tight grail]

Large axle

[high yew]

can you maybe make the whoopie cushion have a hidden fart counter before it explodes? cause i have an issue rn

[tight grail]

Wait, they can explode if you step on them?

[high yew]

no

but i would like them more if they could

cause my friends are not very smart

[gritty flax]

seems more appropriate to ask in #1188298686560739389 since it's an official scrap

[high yew]

it is? damn

i always thought it was from lethal things lol

sorry!

[deep flume]

wait can the toy hammer actually kill entities? or just players

[novel pecan]

Pretty sure it's just players and the chances to kill them is like 1% lol

It's essentially a joke item for fun

[willow abyss]

it can kill any killable creature

but the chance is so low it is never worth it

lol

[deep flume]

that's really funny because i killed my whole crew of 6 in 1 swing each

and was confused why the bracken didnt die when i cornered it in a dead end

[novel pecan]

#1178456016254414878 message
You got really lucky against your friends than lol

That link goes further up where the modder explains the hammer for reference

I recall accidently getting the 1% damage hit off on a friend who was also using the hammer and he was so mad 🤣

[willow abyss]

you should join a lottery

[ancient surge]

normalize not saying this anymore lmao please

idk how tf i stumbled upon that its like 4 days old lmao

[neon tusk]

Its also a joke?

[jovial shell]

Thats what they all say

[neon tusk]

Malk i dont think ive ever seen you make a serious comment

[keen prawn]

does this mod do anything to affect how fog is rendered? currently it's causing fog to be rendered differently between both eyes in LCVR

[leaden gyro]

@willow abyss could you make ur mod compatible with LethalExpansion so boomba and teleporters work in those maps somehow and maxwell and other scrap

[willow abyss]

it should already if lethalexpansion follows the vanilla map implementation, lethallib has supported custom maps for a while now

if it doesn't then no i am not gonna add support for that

oh actually

i don't know if i updated lethal things to be built against lethallib 0.9.0

maybe idk

haven't had energy to work on anything recently so idk if the next lethal things update will be tomorrow, next week, or next month lol

[somber radish]

arson plush doing its job :P

[leaden gyro]

ah

[leaden gyro]

i think it was just completly broken for me i reinstalled the mod and its dependencies

[balmy steppe]

I never saw that plush, i played some time with this mod now and the items where either invisible or not spawning at all.

[keen prawn]

@willow abyss sorry for ping just wanted to make sure you see this

[willow abyss]

it does not touch fog in any way

[leaden gyro]

nvm its not spawning on custom moons still

i put maxwell to 100 spawn weight

its always on default moons but never in modded once

i think its a priority issue lethalthings need to give priority to LethalExpansion

needs like a soft dependency or something

@willow abyss sorry for ping but i think the issue is just a priority problem

needycats mod got fixed by giving LethalExpansion Priorty

which also is a scrap mod

[keen prawn]

do you touch any rendering whatsoever?

[versed kelp]

does this mod have conflict with Lategame Upgrades?

I notice sometimes when I load a save, it'd randomly replace the items I bought into items from lategame upgrades

oh nvm I just checked the chat history lol

[willow abyss]

Nope

[pallid shuttle]

hey evaise, maybe i right the Zap gun visual Scan Conflict because Laser Point Rocket Launcher. because when Rocket launcher is Active Laser, and u walking without rocket launcher ( i mean no holding rocket launcher ) still showing the Laser Pointer.

[willow abyss]

thats unrelated, but thanks for reporting it. i forgot to make it turn off the laser when you pocket it

[pallid shuttle]

The zap gun looks really bad because Visual Scan keeps turning on :/ , didn't you get a bug when you tried Zap Gun? because when I turned on "Lethal Things" the visuals immediately bugged out.

the old version was just normal before adding Laser Point "no kidding"

Yes, even if it's a trivial matter, forget it

Old Version: 0.7.1 [ Lethal Things ]

[glad yew]

So small bug report but if you install this mod on a game where you currently have no saves created I discovered that after launching the game for it to add the configs it also created a save in Slot1 that gave a Version 38 error until I deleted the save

Idk why it does that but just wanted to make you aware of it so it can hopefully be fixed asap

[novel pecan]

Oh that explains why that has been happening to me. Eh I just delete the save no biggie but I can see why it would annoy others.

[glad yew]

Yeah it's just good to make Evaisa aware of it so the issue can be fixed lol, cus I imagine it's unintended behavior

[willow abyss]

oh that makes sense

that actually explains so many issues i had while debugging thanks

lmao

wonder if that is a lethal things issue or a lethal lib issue

[glad yew]

Pretty sure it's an issue with Lethal Things, it didn't happen with only Lethal Lib installed

[torn lynx]

I think it's lethallib as I've also been seeing v38 errors with LGU. I thought it was only when alt f4ing out of a fresh save. Haven't really paid much attention to it though.

[willow abyss]

same

I don't know what could be causing it

[glad yew]

Probably some line of code somewhere that's telling the game to create a save for whatever reason lol

[willow abyss]

oh are you running the thunderstore version or still running a version i gave you

because in your case it might be caused by the save fixing thing

which has to be enabled in the config on the thunderstore version

[torn lynx]

I think thunderstore but I'd have to check

[elfin berry]

Can I use this mod to make new enemies without knowing networking? Should I use this or LethalLib for making a new enemy?

[mighty spruce]

ah yes.

but of course.

of course my first ever maxwell spawns near the entrance on experimentation, and of course it's directly after a jump, with a locked door, and turns out to be an evil maxwell.

quickest ragequit I ever did see

[mortal iris]

How audible the is the hacking tool supposed to be? Feels like everyone in the dungeon hears it, from anywhere.

[willow abyss]

[neon tusk]

that company do be lethal

[pliant rover]

You could remove it in the config file.
But I guess that is not what you want?

[willow abyss]

i wonder what could possibly be causing the fog issue in vr

considering i do not do any kind of custom post processing

[keen prawn]

anything that alters player camera or position?

[astral hull]

No

Position yes

Teleported traps; reused inverse teleporter code

[willow abyss]

nothing touches the camera, position is set by teleporter traps but uses vanilla systems for that

[keen prawn]

@crimson shoal just remembered you were here too, i know you're busy with release stuff but if you ever wanna get to the bottom of this, this thread is a good place to start

[viral horizon]

For the hacking tool how do you do the ones with double digits? :-0

[shrewd viper]

Do the last digit of the correct answer

[viral horizon]

mm gotcha

[worthy owl]

The boomba doesnt spawn at all on custom moons. :(

[astral hull]

Unfortunately

LethalLib doesn’t have any custom moon support at the moment; it’s something we’re working on

[leaden gyro]

Maybe do something like this so other mods can load ahead

[astral hull]

@willow abyss

[willow abyss]

oh this has already been discussed

we don't use harmony so harmony priority is not a thing we can use

[leaden gyro]

@willow abyss

1st message in screenshot 1 and last in screenshot 2

[willow abyss]

yeah i mean this is known already

lethallib got the feature to add stuff to custom moons after the last lethalthings update

lethalthings is currently mid rewrite so this won't be fixed for a while

because of the way enum flags work, even tho lethalthings already used the All flag, because it gets compiled into an integer, in the latest lethallib that is still considered just the vanilla moons, rather than the override which includes modded stuff

recompiling lethalthings against the latest lethallib fixes that

[leaden gyro]

Could you add support to use it with internal level names?

Thats what scoopy variety does and scp foundation mod to spawn there interior on the modded moons

Ex 13 Kast,

So in config players can whitelist maps to add in with use of the internal name the modded moon uses

LethalExpansion moons internal name is just what it shows in the terminal

[leaden gyro]

Do you mean if i switch to previous update of Lib it works or if LethalThings was updated it would work?

[willow abyss]

no

lethal things needs to be updated

it'll immediately work on any modded moon

[leaden gyro]

I see

Why did you decide to rewrite LethalThings btw ?

Thought the mod was perfect already never ran into any issues with it

[patent viper]

you can make the mod run well and still have tech debt under the hood

it's just how it is
not an insult, p much everyone deals with tech debt

[leaden gyro]

true

[willow abyss]

just rewrote the content loader and added support for config syncing

mainly

it was very messy

[leaden gyro]

i see

well the game just updated does this affect ur mod ?

[willow abyss]

maybe

haven't had time to check

[willow abyss]

seems to be working fine

👍

[leaden gyro]

nice

[knotty mango]

hey @willow abyss, what can be the reason of lethal things and lategame upgrades overwriting each other items in terminal store?

when i enable lethal things then stuff like night vision disappears from the store, replaced by letal things items

[acoustic pewter]

usually its because of how the game does item ids (they are like all 0 or 1 or some shit)

[leaden gyro]

think you need to make rocket launcher take dmg in a closer range you can kill close range opponents with it without taking any damage yourself

[willow abyss]

Thats weird, not an issue i have had before

@torn lynx any idea?

[knotty mango]

it was my fault, i was using enter to skip through store pages

and seems like enter always skips down to input field

i was too used to console apps in older OS

usually when you have few screens of text you can skip them with enter

[torn lynx]

Yeah it works fine

[acoustic pewter]

squeaky hammer seems to break the interact key when swinging it

probably caused by how shovels were changed in the recent updates

[willow abyss]

what was changed?

[golden trail]

Shovels are "more accurate" basically they hit something your looking at instead of trying to hit behind the entity. Not sure how it was changed in code tho

Basically things that were too close to the player the shovel would hit the floor or wall behind it

[vivid cobalt]

when you swing toy hammer, you get this error, which basically makes toy hammer cursed and you cannot drop or switch it anymore (until you die)

[willow abyss]

yeah this has been reported already

[novel eagle]

I noticed that for this mod, your item slots for your utility belt were being added onto at the end of the player's ItemSlots, but for the HUD components, they were being inserted after the last slot that said "Slot#", which was making my HUD slots come after yours since mine were called ReservedItemSlot0, 1, 2, etc, so they didn't actually match with the itemslots array lol. The methods for adding items and the HUD elements were quite different, so I'm not sure if it was done that way for a reason.

Anyways, I renamed my slots to Slot# (Reserved) to temporarily get around this, which fixed the issue, but apparently AdvancedCompany had a a patch for my mods that targeted my hud element called "ReservedItemSlot", so it's kinda impossible for me to fix compatibility with both now lmao.

Would it change much if the HUD slots were added onto the end, similar to how you're adding the GrabbableItem slots to the end of the players itemslots when equipping the utility belt?

I also don't wanna make things harder if doing that does break things in your mod.

[willow abyss]

uhh the intention was for them to be synced

The reason i added them after the vanilla player slots is because that fixed compatibility with your mod initially, when you didn't have your own compat

oh apparently i forgot about that part

lmao

anyway i can just remove that check and it should work fine ig

the reason i moved my slots next to the vanilla ones is because it fixed the thing where when you scrolled it would scroll through your slots instead of mine

tho i think you fixed that on your end(?

[astral hull]

Eva, bed

[novel eagle]

Ohh, gotcha. I guess that makes sense. It should be set up to skip my slots, unless you're holding alt, in which case, it would lock you in those slots, so it should be set up to be as if it didn't even exist, if they happened to be between two sets of different HUD slots.

I'm just wondering if I could get away with renaming my slots back to ReservedItemSlot# to fix compat with advanced company (at least for now) because it sounds like the author doesn't really plan on fixing compat in the future, but that's fine too. I think he wants to add similar stuff to the reserved mods

[willow abyss]

i have to go to bed but i can give you a dev version with the change so you can test if you want

[novel eagle]

I'm good with whatever if you're fine with that. I think they'll play nicely, but I can let you know

Ty btw!

[willow abyss]

good night

:)

[novel eagle]

night!

[leaden gyro]

are you close to being able to update LethalThings i miss it

i can use scp dungeon, and scoopy variety mod with LE Core just not LethalThings scrap mods, roomba mob, and teleporters

[willow abyss]

whats the problem with it exactly?

[leaden gyro]

none of the things from it spawns in modded levels

no roomba no maxwell no teleporters

[willow abyss]

ah that part

[leaden gyro]

i noticed something weird i found a lethallib mod that does work https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Taker/CannabisCompany/

this spawns on modded moons

so now im even more confused

[willow abyss]

i mean yeah

the issue isn't lethallib

[leaden gyro]

is it because it starts with a C ?

[willow abyss]

no

[leaden gyro]

oh okay ive had other lib not work though

[willow abyss]

any mod that was build against lethallib 0.9.0 or higher will spawn on modded moons

lethalthings was build against an older version

[leaden gyro]

such as https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Badham_Mods/CirnoFumoScrap/

this does not spawn for me

so it needs an update ?

[willow abyss]

yeah

it just needs to be rebuilt with the latest lethallib

[leaden gyro]

okay thanks!

@cold holly please fix :c

[willow abyss]

(If you use the All levels enum when building with the latest lethallib itll spawn on modded levels)

[cold holly]

yeah that mod is a tad old

I can quickly patch it up

[leaden gyro]

still one of my favorites

[willow abyss]

all it needs is to be rebuild

[leaden gyro]

thank you !

so this one would work ?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Pinta/PintoBoy/

i feel like i tried this one and it didnt spawn

or is that version to old

[willow abyss]

Items.RegisterScrap(pintoGrab, (int)config_PintoboyRarity.Value, (LevelTypes)510);

same issue

[leaden gyro]

i see

[willow abyss]

for mods that were build against the newer lethallib (and were using the All enum) it would say (LevelTypes)-1 instead of 510

[leaden gyro]

i see

that helps a lot thanks

[willow abyss]

sadly there isn't really anything i can do from my end

mods just have to be updated

[leaden gyro]

the other maxwell mod works atleast while waiting for your update

the one that just adds a maxwell

[willow abyss]

i could push lethalthings with all the new content stripped out

probably

[leaden gyro]

please!

i love lethalthings

unless its like rlly difficult for you of course

[willow abyss]

still need to fix the hammer issue

no clue what broke it

[leaden gyro]

prob a game update maybe

[willow abyss]

i mean yeah that much is obvious

just not sure what part

[leaden gyro]

oh so yippe scrap works nice

i was scared of using any lib because i thought they were all broken

now i can actually find out which one is broken easily atleast

[willow abyss]

nah it is just that the thing they are using to select levels used to only include vanilla levels

[leaden gyro]

is the val in this the value of the scrap item ?

the 60 is the spawn rate they listed that idk what the value is of the scrap

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/lvnqa/GojoScrap/source/

[willow abyss]

nah

the value is defined in the assetbundle

not in code

[leaden gyro]

ah so i cant find out what it is ?

[willow abyss]

not easily

[leaden gyro]

unlucky i will load it in game and see

[cold holly]

aight should be fixed when thunderstore refreshes

[leaden gyro]

lets go!

ty so much

[leaden gyro]

@cold holly does this matter ?

[cold holly]

hmm yeah that's an issue

[leaden gyro]

xD

[cold holly]

ah I updated my project directories but I didn't update the plugin code, should be quick fix

[willow abyss]

classic

[cold holly]

should be fixed now (when thunderstore updates)

[leaden gyro]

👍 thanks

[worthy owl]

can you invent a new type of kitchen knife that doesnt whisper things to you

<3

[willow abyss]

https://share.evaisa.dev/rNyyjL7W1.png

the kitchen knife keeps telling me to muder

[worthy owl]

exactly!!

how do i get it to stop

[willow abyss]

i should add a knife which constantly whispers to whoever is holding it

intrusive thoughts

[worthy owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/888818826840526858.webp?size=128&name=trol&quality=lossless

[willow abyss]

do it i know you wanna

[worthy owl]

it makes like red text appear on screen saying it

replaces hud elements, like the radiation alert with "kill all your friends"

[willow abyss]

you look at the terminal and it just goes
killkillkillkillkillkill

[worthy owl]

funniest idea of all time

[high yew]

make it attack by itself at random intervals

[worthy owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1182097648170315827.webp?size=128&name=WOAH&quality=lossless

[willow abyss]

Cursed Knife is going on my todo list

[leaden gyro]

that would be great im sure my friends would kill me if they heard that

[willow abyss]

• Whispers intrusive thoughts to whoever is holding it.
• Randomly attacks when looking at other players.
• Terminal text is sometimes replaced with intrusive thoughts

[leaden gyro]

you could make a schizo mod too

make the player go actually insane

actually that might be better for Diversity mod as it kinda works around that department of things

[cold holly]

Have it spike your paranoia value until you kill with it

[high yew]

an actual way of getting rid of paranoia

[willow abyss]

https://i.imgur.com/C6NxvEY.png

[high yew]

lmao

[raw vale]

gnarp

[tribal rampart]

Amazing

[left idol]

lmao

[leaden gyro]

lol

it ate a golden apple and decided to blow up ?

what am i even looking at

[astral hull]

It ate a penny

[willow abyss]

new advancements in cookie tech

[leaden gyro]

xD

[acoustic pewter]

should damage you when stabbing enemies but heals you if you stab other players

[golden trail]

Nooooo cookieeeeee

Funny thing happened to my friend a few days ago. She had to remake a lobby because of the masked bug (before v47) and when she got back in Maxwell was dancing and she's like oh good at least Maxwell is still here. Proceeded to pick up Maxwell and it had turned into evil Maxwell 🤣🤣🤣

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingWanderingPrariedogKeepo-go-qH4lf4eVrO5WV

[astral hull]

This is fixed in next update :)

[willow abyss]

evil maxwell is my favourite feature

but yeah it is not supposed to turn evil when loading a save

[leaden gyro]

its a feature now

[mild nimbus]

Hi there, so in my current modpack I noticed that the revolver flag has... lots its physics?

Not sure if you want to even look into it cause its kinda funny lookin, but is there a list of known incompatibilities?

[willow abyss]

Lethal Things 0.9.0

Content

• Added Shop Item: Pinger
• Added Scrap: Gnarpy Plush

Systems

• Completely rewrite of Content Loader and Config system.
• Config files are now synced between host and client.
• Changed how utility belt adds slots for potential compatibility improvement.

Bugfixes

• Lethal Things content should now spawn on modded moons
• Boomba improvements.
• Power outlet stun damage config is now working.
• Added null check to tracking point which should fix one of the dartboard errors.
• Fixed flare desync
• Rocket launcher laser turns off when pocketed.
• Evil maxwell desync.
• Flare gun client aim issue.
• Remote radar was able to switch target while turned off.
• Toy hammer was broken because of lethal company v47 update.
• Darts are no longer pingable while held.
• Maxwell becomes evil sometimes when loading a save :(

Changes

• Toyhammer is now a scrap item by default
  • Added config option to add Toyhammer to store.
  • Added config option to make Toyhammer spawn as scrap.
• Cookie is now throwable.
  • Note: Batteries may spontaneously combust

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Evaisa/LethalThings/

CC: @leaden gyro, should fix the items not showing on custom maps issue as well

[tough frigate]

my game wont open anymore after this update

and it is for sure this mod

because I disabled it

and it opened the game

[fleet bridge]

same but i do got like a billion mods

[willow abyss]

must be some compatibility issue

[tough frigate]

maybe

[willow abyss]

i cannot reproduce it

[fleet bridge]

lemme try figure it out

[willow abyss]

@tough frigate @fleet bridge can you post logs?

[fleet bridge]

just themostlethalcompany modpack

and i just clicked update on this mod

thats it

[willow abyss]

Okay it does happen for me

[barren kite]

Same here.

[willow abyss]

I know what is causing it

[astral bay]

Damn I had an idea for a cursed stop sign that did the middle thing but this is so much better

[night flame]

same

[willow abyss]

@fleet bridge @tough frigate @barren kite @vital oasis

ill push an update in 5 mins or so

[fleet bridge]

epic

which mod is it?

[willow abyss]

LethalThings, the error itself is in a patcher used to make the netcode work (NetcodePatcher)

[tough frigate]

Same here just dies in the loading process

[tough frigate]

wahoo

[willow abyss]

Latest version of NetcodePatcher causes patched mods to kill the game

lol

[fleet bridge]

rip

[willow abyss]

i happened to push my update on exactly the wrong day ig

[barren kite]

Hammer being scrap is exactly what I thought it should be when I first tried LT.

Fits nicely with other annoying items being scrap, like air/clown horn.

[high yew]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[willow abyss]

Lethal Things 0.9.1

Bugfixes

• Fixed crash to desktop on launch, caused by NetcodePatcher update.

might take a bit for thunderstore to update

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Evaisa/LethalThings/

[willow abyss]

yeahh it isn't useful enough to be a shop item, tho i did consistently buy it for emotional support

[high yew]

i bought it to induce fear into my teammates as i kept chasing them

[barren kite]

Buying Hacking Tool, Pinger and Remote Radar from Lethal Things ends up delivering Rocket Boots, Slippers and Vision enhancer from Advanced Company.

Don't know from which side is this coming from, so reporting on both.

[willow abyss]

thats a new one

lol

[willow abyss]

do you have a link for the mod you are talking about?

[astral bay]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PotatoePet/AdvancedCompany/

[willow abyss]

okay yeah this is definitely a problem with that mod

considering it changes the entire terminal

not gonna bother looking into this

[astral bay]

I’ve had it have some other issues too

It does ALOT like I think maybe the most of any mod

[high yew]

i think its more than that, tried ordering the same things and got

[willow abyss]

that mod seems to do a long of really janky stuff lol

[high yew]

this

[astral bay]

In terms of changes and additions

[high yew]

oh its a lighting rod

[astral bay]

So it has a high chance of having issues

Simply because of just doing so much

[willow abyss]

not something i am going to fix from my end

[astral bay]

Yea

[willow abyss]

it seems to reorganize the shop and shit

which is probably where the issue stems from

normally all the modded items would be at the end of the list

[fleet bridge]

think he was trying to fix his buying commands since sometimes they wouldn't work

[astral bay]

I like the funny dagger concept you had
Having more items with a side effect / downside but high value could be cool

[high yew]

yeah

[astral hull]

We’re in the process of developing it lol

[willow abyss]

do you want me to draw a funny knife antlers

[astral hull]

Reference material would be nice yes

[astral bay]

I have some concepts that I was planning to make into a mod but my friend who codes doesn’t seem to interested in modding the game sadly
But I might still make the models Incase somebody is down to pick it up

[willow abyss]

i can do it in like 1 minute

concept art speedrun

[astral hull]

Front & side views plox

[willow abyss]

I'm gonna add jiggle bones to it

because

[astral hull]

Jiggly bone knife?

[willow abyss]

(not to the knife)

[willow abyss]

like a similar thing to the flaregun

[astral hull]

I keep that mf thang on me, pull up bitch

[willow abyss]

the little hangy thing

[astral hull]

Prayer beads?

[willow abyss]

murder beads

[astral hull]

Something like that

[vital forge]

I'd use this

[willow abyss]

i'd eat an apple with that

[astral hull]

With the knife still in it?

[willow abyss]

photoshop is killing itself

because i keep not saving my doodles document

which means every time i open it

it adds an extra stack of recovered document

and the document is like 10k x 10k pixels

so now the doodles doc is open like 11 times when i start photoshop

https://share.evaisa.dev/ZOykmcUA9.png

@astral hull am i insane

are you supposed to save your work when you turn off your computer

or something

https://share.evaisa.dev/4R-LygPfM.png

pyramid :)

[astral bay]

I would provide the models for free ofc
If you like any of the ideas would you be down to implement them into either a separate mod or perhaps lethal things? If not that’s fine

[willow abyss]

i mean sure but it'll end up on the backlog

[astral hull]

Debatable

[willow abyss]

why this creature is so jolly

[vital forge]

the jolly meter is off the charts!

[vital forge]

forcefully pet

[astral hull]

Squishg

[leaden gyro]

Yesss

We are so back thank you

[astral bay]

The cookie

[astral bay]

Yea true add the ability to squish the scrap in game

[willow abyss]

i don't think side view is necessary

https://share.evaisa.dev/JOWcVCUNX.png

something like this is what i was thinking

[astral hull]

Waow

[astral hull]

Having width references helps weh

[willow abyss]

alr

[willow abyss]

are just outlines fine for that

[astral hull]

Yeah

[astral hull]

Mod abusing so I don’t forget where this is

[smoky kite]

👀

[astral hull]

Hi robin

[smoky kite]

my mod abuse detector went off and it wasn't me bullying people by renaming them

[willow abyss]

https://share.evaisa.dev/pxmnZE-55.png

this is the best i can do

drawing side perspectives is difficult

i am bad at showing depth

[astral hull]

Ty

[high yew]

i picked up a toy hammer and it disappeared

[willow abyss]

oh whoops

forgot to remove the config options for the unfinished stuff

lmao

[hazy raptor]

oh all good then just confused since it wasnt in the changelog 😂

[willow abyss]

they are disabled in the code lol

[hazy raptor]

but now i see what u did there

[willow abyss]

leaks

[high yew]

nvm im an idiot

[leaden gyro]

Lol

Is that insanityreworked or what its called

[high yew]

yes

[still orbit]

lol

[astral hull]

Secrets! 🤫

[hazy raptor]

i see nothin officer

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[astral hull]

You will meet both of them in the next update :3

[astral bay]

Ok so we have a walking landmine where is the walking turret

[hazy raptor]

i think there is that one mod with enemy that can drag turret around

was it crab something

[knotty mango]

who's maggie and crystal ray? 😮

i don't see it in changelog but i see it in config

[willow abyss]

unfinished content

[knotty mango]

oh

[astral hull]

.

[willow abyss]

forgot to remove from the config

lol

[hazy raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

i love this

[willow abyss]

i removed the config options :(

[hazy raptor]

no more asking the funi config now

[willow abyss]

tho it won't remove them if they were already generated i think

[hazy raptor]

oh yea that happen

[valid merlin]

is that the reason maxwell played a prank on me, turning into a skeleton maxwell and fckin exploding scaring my ass

[high yew]

no

[hazy raptor]

i mean most people wont touch the config anyway

[high yew]

thats just lethal things

[willow abyss]

EVIL maxwell

[hazy raptor]

that thing is real from this mod

[willow abyss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqYJpsITbGg

[valid merlin]

never saw it happen before in so many sessions, it caught me off guard

[willow abyss]

it is a pretty low chance

lol

[hazy raptor]

cuz its only like 10% at default

[valid merlin]

maxwell outplayed me

[hazy raptor]

maxwell weight 3 on the pool and 10% for it to be evil when it spawn

[willow abyss]

[latent perch]

I had to delete and regenerate the config to get buying items to work again anyway with the update that added those options

[astral hull]

Took us years to test anything with evil Maxwell until eva got the dev menu up and running

[willow abyss]

I mean i have the power to manually turn any maxwell evil, it just takes forever because the inspector runs so fucking slow

[latent perch]

Not sure why that happened though there seems to be a conflict with the pinger item and this mod still might work on a fresh install I don't know how shop listings work https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SalakStudios/BetterShotgunShells/

Whenever I tried to buy a pinger it would just buy a shell

[willow abyss]

do you happen to have advanced company installed

[latent perch]

No

[willow abyss]

not sure then :/

[latent perch]

ONLY a problem with the pinger item

Probably more of a them problem than a you problem

[astral hull]

Fakewell my beloved

[willow abyss]

game's terminal system is ass so it could be anything tbh

[hazy raptor]

if u just want the buyable shotgun shell there is one other mod for the shell

[latent perch]

Yeah I will probably change to that but this mod also added them spawning on t3 moons which I liked

[smoky kite]

I'm pretty sure Azim profiled UE inspector and figured out why its so slow and we came up with a fix but nobody really wants to patch UE

[latent perch]

Let me jack up the price while keeping them rare but kinda obtainable

[iron chasm]

The curse of dev menu

I might have to make one because zeekers didn’t fucking make his debug menu spawn items for some reason

Interesting choice

[willow abyss]

hmmm i cannot seem to reproduce that

i installed the mod and the pinger buys fine it seems

now wait

the fuck

[astral hull]

Just install lethalthings and use it’s dev menu

[iron chasm]

My secret tech is literally only letting it be used by my steam Id lmao

[willow abyss]

if i buy the pinger, it says i bought the pinger, but it has the price of the shells

[iron chasm]

Uh no!!!!

[willow abyss]

huhhh

[latent perch]

Yeah weird isn't it

[astral hull]

[latent perch]

Cost you 150 for the "pinger" as well I bet

[iron chasm]

Nuh uh!!!

[willow abyss]

yeah thats what i mean

[astral hull]

Domeguy is such a creature

[willow abyss]

it says i bought the pinger so it is not that it got the wrong keyword

[iron chasm]

Domeguy is my biggest fan

[willow abyss]

https://share.evaisa.dev/8NtZ36JPH.png

lmao

buying shells throws a out of range exception

[astral hull]

Definitely a problem with eba’s mod

[willow abyss]

don't think so

[astral hull]

Definitely

[willow abyss]

I think the problem is that the shotgun shells mod registers a vanilla item as a shop item

but because it is already in the AllItemsList it desyncs the indexes

so it is a problem with that mod, however is something that could also be fixed on lethallib's end

[latent perch]

They worked fine until the pinger got added is the weird thing

[willow abyss]

it'd happen with any lethallib items mod that loads before it

90% sure

[latent perch]

Weird, does it cause problems with the other shells mod is the question now or does that tackle the problem in a different way

[willow abyss]

dunno i'd have to look at the code

[latent perch]

I will test quickly because if it conflicts with both THEN it might be your problem as people might complain

or modpack makers have to make a tricky choice

[willow abyss]

the problem is that the shells mod does stuff with lethallib that it was not intended for

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Evaisa/LethalThings/changelog/

there most certainly is

hmm actually

it might be a lethal company update problem

nope nvm

[latent perch]

The other shell mod works well enough

So I think your fine

Weird conflict with the other one though

[willow abyss]

well i know the cause, but it is not an easy fix

the problem is really just the mod doings things that i did not account for anyone trying to do when i wrote lethal lib

[latent perch]

Never underestimate the boundless stupidity creativity of your users

[dense oriole]

what does the pinger do? haven't played yet

[willow abyss]

if you have played risk of rain 2, it is like risk of rain 2 pings

[tough frigate]

what if I havent

[willow abyss]

you point it at a location, or object, it pings that location for all nearby players. In case of an object it displays the object name on the ping

[tough frigate]

yay

[dense oriole]

dope

[astral bay]

Risk of rain 2

[lethal marten]

add lemurian from risk of rai 2

[willow abyss]

lemurian hitting the griddy

[dense oriole]

also what about fire exits/main exit bc thatd be dope for helping lost get out

[lethal marten]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632580449511669770/895510926348931072/lemurian_chase.gif

[willow abyss]

i mean you can ping any location, i don't know exactly what objects show up as unique text as it is code generated

[dense oriole]

i see

ty

[willow abyss]

if you ping an unknown surface it'll just say "Received Ping" on the ping

[high yew]

dog equipment shows dog equipment so ig just the scannable name

floor shows no target sadly

so good luck navigating misty march...

[willow abyss]

thats odd

[high yew]

maybe its just bcs im playing on a custom map?

[willow abyss]

it definitely worked on the floor before

[high yew]

ah ok than, must be just LE

[willow abyss]

they might have set up their object layers wrong on the map

[high yew]

yeah ig

[astral hull]

We love mod compatibility!!

[dense oriole]

wwot

woot

[willow abyss]

i could just have it hit any collider and ignore triggers lol

not sure if that'd cause any issues

[willow abyss]

every time i want to work on baby i have to fix compat issues

[astral bay]

How many risk of rain modrs have came here

It’s crazy

I didn’t know you did risk of rain 2 modding evaisa

[astral hull]

Curse of bwah

[willow abyss]

I came here from noita, haven't modded risk of rain 2 for years lol

[astral bay]

Ah

[astral hull]

She was like
THE ror2 modder

[willow abyss]

but yeah i did back in the day

[willow abyss]

❌

I only invented custom shrines because no one did it before at the time

i think i am seeing a pattern

[astral hull]

And she was THE noita modder (along with copi and extol and kind of squirrely)

[willow abyss]

why do i keep choosing the stuff no one knows how to do

[astral bay]

Oh yea I’ve played more shrines

It has a stroke in multiplayer

[willow abyss]

it hasn't been updated in a long time lol

[astral bay]

Yea

[astral hull]

I’m forgetting someone eba I know it

[willow abyss]

graham, conga, dexter, uhh

[astral bay]

I’ve seen so many people who have modded risk of rain 2 here

Or in the risk of rain 2 community

[willow abyss]

idk who

there is too many

[astral hull]

Gosh it’s been so long since I’ve talked to dex

Does burger burger burger count

[willow abyss]

burger left long ago :(

[astral hull]

He was more on the technical side only making mods to reverse engineer

He WHAT

[willow abyss]

no idea where he went

just vanished one day

[astral hull]

He was like atomguy’s right brain

Please tell me atomguy is alive

[willow abyss]

atom has 1 brain left

[astral bay]

My mods are kinda mid
Made some shitty recolors that did stupidly well for some reason

Then I helped contribute to a really based mod (Sandswept)

[willow abyss]

yea

[astral bay]

Made some of the models in it

[willow abyss]

my main mod project in recent years has been a online pvp mod for Noita

[astral hull]

Atomguy and burger were totally left brain right brain

You know what I mean

[willow abyss]

now overshadowed by this shit 😭

[astral bay]

How is uhh enemies for lethal company? I know you made the funny boomba

[willow abyss]

i hate making enemies

[astral hull]

That’s it for now

[iron chasm]

I hate making enemies

[willow abyss]

somehow i keep getting roped into it

[astral bay]

A friend is is wondering how it is

[astral hull]

Next update is adding two more I think

[iron chasm]

It sucks actually

Like

[astral hull]

As long as no more compat issues arise

[willow abyss]

it really does, like it isn't particularily complex, but it is just tedious to get things right

[astral hull]

:clueless:

[iron chasm]

Tell swuff there’s no behavior hierarchy

You know

How most games do ai

[astral hull]

Roped into lethalthings or NO/NA

[dense oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-vanish-the-last-airbender-needed-the-most-gif-14966971

[willow abyss]

enemy

anemnomy

enemy spotted

my brain is mush

[astral hull]

I thought noita online was basically finished right

[dense oriole]

same

[willow abyss]

never

[iron chasm]

People be like “I want to make lethal company enemies!” And then walk out of the experience looking like

[astral hull]

I don’t follow noita since the incidents (me being stupid fucking idiot)

[iron chasm]

[willow abyss]

noita arena is perpetually in dev

so i just kinda shoved it to the side

[willow abyss]

until i have motivation

[iron chasm]

Omg same

[dense oriole]

thats a mood

[astral hull]

I have soundboard management perms I wonder if I have emoji perms

One second

[iron chasm]

At the start I was actually working on both lethal company modding and ror2 modding at the same time before catastrophically burning out

[quasi flame]

Before working on LC enemies I hated writing AI and after working on LC enemies I still hate writing AI

[iron chasm]

Do not do that shit

[willow abyss]

i would assume you could get another chance if you talked to solus, we just unbanned bort aswell

[iron chasm]

It’s better if you have a good system which requires that you make the game

[willow abyss]

(i forgot bort existed)

[quasi flame]

funny enough I do think the framework I've come up with is superior to my work on OYH but I think that's in part because state machines are infinitely easier to wrap my head around than behavior trees

[astral bay]

Enemies are the coolest part tho

Pain

[astral hull]

Meh I already got another chance years ago and wasted it

There’s some people that despise me and that’s not something I can change so my best choice is to leave them alone

[astral bay]

I might make a custom interior at somepoint I heard it’s not tooo bad?

[astral hull]

Apparently I do have emoji perms

[willow abyss]

ehhh it is somewhat complex but just requires dungen knowledge i think

[quasi flame]

custom interors aren't bad just kind of tedious

[willow abyss]

it is mostly unity editor stuff

[quasi flame]

having to apply all the settings etc on every single tile

[astral bay]

Grahh

[astral hull]

Solus also blocked me so there’s that

[astral bay]

The only knowledge I have is beginner blender knowledge

[iron chasm]

I think state machines are good if you can implement them in a good way

[quasi flame]

also god pray you have a modeler who can make all the rooms for you

[astral bay]

And very small Unity

[astral bay]

Me

[iron chasm]

Dotflare is still locked in my basement

[astral bay]

I will make myself suffer

[iron chasm]

But we don’t have any dungeon plans (yet :3)

[astral hull]

I’m stuck in eba’s basement she doesn’t feed me help

[quasi flame]

unironically though LC kind of sold me on tile-based level design

[willow abyss]

eat the wall cotton candy

[quasi flame]

it used to gross me out a little bit but it turns out actually making a game with it can be really really fun

[iron chasm]

Think lc motivated my friend to do procedural tile generation for a ror2 stage

[astral hull]

Waow you turned dot into an indentured servant? That’s impressive

[quasi flame]

I get why every indie dev ever makes rougelikes now

[astral hull]

I thought that was asbestos

[iron chasm]

He said he’d come with me if I start working on a game so I guess

[willow abyss]

you eat pennies what are you complaining about

[iron chasm]

It’s always dotflare go do this dotflare go do that and he just responds with skibidi Ohio Rizz