Skill Cancel Chains

[scarlet rivet]

They're a bit ridiculous now. I wouldn't mind if they got removed or heavily nerfed.

[harsh birch]

shut up noob

[scarlet rivet]

@harsh birch What an intelligent and well thought out counter argument. Do you also just do random skills in place until there's an opening for your playstyle plus through ball from your half of the pitch, Troglodyte?

You probably use a variation of 451 or 4411 and spam counter attacks all game too.

[harsh birch]

stop crying grandpa

[scarlet rivet]

So you prefer playing mortal kombat on a sports game? You let the AI control your cbs too?

[lucid pond]

“I have a skill issue so nerf/remove skills cuz I’m bad”

There’s real problems in the game that need to be addressed, not fixing whatever the f your trash at defending or doing

[scarlet rivet]

@lucid pond who said remove skills? I'm talking about the cancels. It's a ridiculous mechanic that's just abused and spammed.

[lucid pond]

No it’s not

You just need to stop tackle spamming

It’s a video game for gods sake

😂😂😂

What division are you? And what is your average champs record? @scarlet rivet

[scarlet rivet]

@lucid pond 13-2 last champs I played before toty and div 2 before the holidays.

[lucid pond]

How do you get 13 wins but are only in div 2?

That doesn’t make sense at all

Div 2 is for 8-9 wins players

Maybe even less

[scarlet rivet]

@lucid pond Because there are more sweaty players in rivals and I don't grind it

[lucid pond]

So you can get 13 wins in champs, okay, so you should know more than most casual players it’s not a issue

Maybe if you LEARN and ADJUST

You can get rank 1 lmao

This is not a real issue that needs immediate fixing or tweaks or nerfs

There are far more pressing matters

[scarlet rivet]

Learn and adjust to what? I know what I'm doing. I don't spam tackle and I don't sprint around like a brainless child.

[lucid pond]

Ok stop playing video games then

Go play football in real life

If you want it to be so realistic

😂😂😂

[sour stump]

its so funny that this is a thing when skill move chains have become useless,cancels are more useful than doing the actual skill

[scarlet rivet]

@sour stump which is my point. It's more effective to spam cancels than to actually learn to chain actual skill moves.

[lucid pond]

You think this is bad? You must’ve never played fifa 19

Unless you playing somebody like roro I don’t want to hear it

[sour stump]

5 star skills has become useless its so funny

[hollow portal]

Ehh I mean it’s scenario based, skill moves themselves work if u just do it in the right scenario

[hollow portal]

Just untrue😭

[sour stump]

not like the older fcs,look at cristiano,useless compared to back then

[lucid pond]

5 star skills are not useless bro cmon

[lucid pond]

1/10 ragebait

[scarlet rivet]

Yea but why would I lock myself in an animation when I could just cancel spam and make space for my incisive pass

[sour stump]

who has been more meta last 5 years.messi or cristiano? just answer this

[hollow portal]

Idk I don’t be getting cooked by a million cancels I just take the ball off them most of the time😭

Bro it’s playstyles

Ronaldo’s playstyles are terrible

[sour stump]

but that didnt matter u could just skill chain ur way to goal

[hollow portal]

The game rn if u have tiki incisive and one pace ps ur chilling and just finesse base

[lucid pond]

Meta this and that you guys getting the same amount of wins either way

[hollow portal]

Yea but playstyles are literally more important than stats this is why players who were better than aren’t good now

[lucid pond]

Exactly

Thierry Henry is the perfect example

Before fc 24 no one would touch him in fifa

[sour stump]

my ronaldo evo played 5 games and hasent played since,there is no skill playstyle,a chop is a chop

impossible to play the game without technical yeah

hold r1

[hollow portal]

Best card of cristiano is the toty hm but he’s expensive more usable playstyles

[sour stump]

skills are useless

[lucid pond]

Chops are not effective

You doing the wrong skills gng

[sour stump]

anymore

no no

its more effective to just hold r1 and walk in a straight line bcz ps

[hollow portal]

I mean in some scenarios yes but like I said playstyles run the game

[lucid pond]

Ok bro if you want to play that way go ahead nobody is stopping you

[hollow portal]

Skill moves are something u gotta learn to incorporate

[lucid pond]

The rest of us learn and adjust

[sour stump]

ps are definetly a problem yeah,but look at the teams,do u see the 5 star full teams in high divisions anymore?

NEVER

not once

[lucid pond]

Well that’s because they are all rats

[scarlet rivet]

I used to run silver Brazilians. Can't do that anymore

[sour stump]

this is what i mean

was so fun

[hollow portal]

U don’t need them anymore cuz playstyles have changed the way ppl play

[sour stump]

maybe but that doesnt mean skilling doesnt need a buff to keep up

[hollow portal]

U can just run with pina and score

[lucid pond]

Nobody is arguing for a skill buff?

[scarlet rivet]

Cut back incisive pass with pina.

[sour stump]

skill cancel is more effective than skilling

[sour stump]

either gut both

[lucid pond]

It just depends what skill your doing

[sour stump]

or make both good

[lucid pond]

Reverse elastico is ineffective?

@sour stump

[sour stump]

i would run a 1 star skiller if he had technical and low driven and tiki taka

[lucid pond]

Advanced roulette is ineffective?

[hollow portal]

I think some skills def got nerfed from this year to last year but to remove cancels is not needed

[sour stump]

i use like 5 this year,used to learn like 20 30 in a gam ethats like 15 years old lol

[hollow portal]

Least of the problems in the game

[lucid pond]

This not even a top 100 issue in the game i don’t even think it’s an issue at all

Removing skill cancels makes no sense

If you guys want realistic football go outside

[sour stump]

remove no

nerf yes

[lucid pond]

Ok jus go outside you can play with your nerfed skill cancels IRL😭😭

[hollow portal]

Both require scenarios to work its pretty much the same as a skill move

[scarlet rivet]

They could go and it wouldn't upset me.

[sour stump]

abusing isnt skill,its not blanced

but yeah

many other issues

just saw this thread and agreed

[lucid pond]

You guys must be old ahh uncs or sum

Your reaction time is getting slower

[sour stump]

???

the game has become hold X to get auto defence

and u think this is about ppl getting older

[scarlet rivet]

@lucid pond what's that make you? Young, ignorant and unwanted in a room?

[hollow portal]

😭😭

[lucid pond]

Okay then why can’t you defend it then?

[lucid pond]

U mad bro?🤣🤣🤣

Struck a nerve there I see

[hollow portal]

Bro if someone abusing it surely ur able to read it and stop it

[lucid pond]

Answer this plz @sour stump

[sour stump]

because i dont run the new defence

i play tactical

[lucid pond]

What?

So you’re doing yourself a disservice on purpose to prove what?

[scarlet rivet]

@hollow portal if only I kept the ball when I make a tackle or interception.

[sour stump]

not arsed to relearn 13 years of muscle memory

[hollow portal]

That’s the real issue

Not skill cancels

[lucid pond]

See there you go, finally made a good take

I knew you had some sense in you

[scarlet rivet]

I've been in here complaining about that since October though

[hollow portal]

When u make a tackle or interception u should be rewarded and get the ball properly but this game just avoids this issue still

[lucid pond]

Ea is 💩 nothing is ever gonna change

[hollow portal]

It’s been an issue since last year

[lucid pond]

That’s why patching the right thing is so important

[scarlet rivet]

Like at release they buffed the AI defenders instead of nerfing close controlled sprint.

[hollow portal]

They did both and reverted the sprint to about half of what it used to be cuz it was nowhere near the same

[lucid pond]

What they need to do is reward manual defense

[hollow portal]

They talked about how manual defending is gonna be required more often but it’s still the same AI defending run with DMs to the box

[scarlet rivet]

If my defending was rewarded this post wouldn't exist

[lucid pond]

Exactly

[hollow portal]

So the issue isn’t really skill cancels it’s about the bounce backs

[pine niche]

This noob is getting cooked, i love to see it.

man said "skill chain" i havent been able to chain anything, barely more than 3 passes in a row, since 2019 hahah

[pine niche]

cold

[lucid pond]

😭😭😭

[scarlet rivet]

Skill Cancels are still incredibly annoying when spammed. It's not about it being difficult to stop but they're just glitchy and usually don't reward manual defending.

[hollow portal]

But it’s not like a 100% guarantee goal if they do it

[lucid pond]

Ok bro if you want to play realistic football go outside

At the end of the day it’s a video game

[hollow portal]

If that’s the case some ppl complain about elastic spam and would u want them removing skill moves like that?

[lucid pond]

Realism is just gonna make the game more dead and dead

[scarlet rivet]

No it's not but in this game you know it eventually will be.

[lucid pond]

Not true

You have to break your bad habits on defense or adjust

[hollow portal]

but the root issue isn’t canceling skill moves it’s being rewarded for manual defending

[scarlet rivet]

No but there's a limit on how many skill moves you can chain without doing cancels. Cancels should have the same limit

[hollow portal]

Them removing it just makes everyone gonna play like a drone with no creativity

[lucid pond]

Bro what are you saying😭😭

You’ve lost the plot mate @scarlet rivet

[hollow portal]

What do u mean by chain??

[lucid pond]

There is no limit

I’m starting to question your WL record

[scarlet rivet]

Chain as in one skill move after another.

[hollow portal]

I do a chain and stop cuz there’s no reason to continue unless I wanna lose the ball

Just randomly doing skills across the pitch will never work that’s why u gotta understand how to use them within the scenarios

[lucid pond]

You must be horrible on defense if someone is doing only skills through 10 of your players

[quartz solstice]

skill cancels are a skill gap. there is literally no issue with them currently

[lucid pond]

Thank you

These guys want to direct EA attention to bs that doesn’t matter

[quartz solstice]

if you think its low skill go try and hit some good cancels next game and clip em

[scarlet rivet]

Who said I was randomly spamming skill moves? Or getting dribbled through?

The problem is spamming skill cancels is easier and more effective than actually doing regular skill move chains.

[quartz solstice]

easier? no

[lucid pond]

.

[quartz solstice]

better

yes

[hollow portal]

I’m confused on what ur really arguing about

[sour stump]

what ping do u usually play at?

[quartz solstice]

anywhere from 16 to 100.

normally about 70

[sour stump]

what hardware

[quartz solstice]

a pc with so much input delay i prefer playing at the local bars public console

[lucid pond]

He’s moving the goal posts

[hollow portal]

Skill moves are meant to be used within situations

Chains only work if your able to understand those situations

Same with skill canceling

[quartz solstice]

skill moves are lowkey easy to stop if your opponent isnt insanely good at them

[hollow portal]

It’s literally like a variation of a skill move

[quartz solstice]

its easier to flick your left stick left and right and beat a defender than beat the skill move

beat a defender with a skill move or a skill cancel

one requires understanding of the input, the exit of the skill move, the timing

[hollow portal]

Yup

[quartz solstice]

and the other requires flicking towards space

but yeah

[hollow portal]

I’ve said that a million times now

[quartz solstice]

lets nerf the one that has sooo many things to consider

checks out

[hollow portal]

Everything is situational

[quartz solstice]

agreed

[lucid pond]

Agree as well

This guy claims to get 13 wins

I don’t believe him

[sour stump]

13 wins on pc is not possible

without luck

[scarlet rivet]

Skill Cancels are overpowered when compared to normal skills.

When using them myself it's like I can just bounce off tackles and open space too easily. Manual defending players can't really recover in time.

It's not a main issue in the game but they're not balanced either.

[sour stump]

and not facing a cheater

[lucid pond]

My friend gets rank 1 on pc every week

[sour stump]

maybe he plays during peak time

[lucid pond]

Yea he plays Fridays

[sour stump]

but it ends so early for me

5-6 0

and it would happen

well something that helped

[lucid pond]

How many times you gonna move the goal posts

[sour stump]

in mm settings there is approximate location matching

turn it off

the server for fc is in eu in 2 places it doesnt matter where they live

if u live a bit near easter europe

u gonna get a lot of cheaters farming accs to sell

[quartz solstice]

not really, if you use a proper skill well timed you get the same jam, you also get that same jam when you spin your left stick really quick. the solution as a defender is wait for the exit of the skill move and just tackle them when the ball is loose between skills.

[sour stump]

best ive got was 17/20 getting 2 cheaters

like all time

but ofc ea ignores cheaters for threads like this 🙂

[lucid pond]

Fr 💩 players just clogging up the feedback

[scarlet rivet]

The exit to the skill usually ends up being a pass that doesn't get intercepted.

[quartz solstice]

now we just talking out our asses

[sour stump]

all gameplay feedback wont matter if theyre cheating on pc or a zen on a console

[quartz solstice]

press tackle as they exit the skill move

on the spot where it exits

[sour stump]

2k every game is a zen at least rhis is better lol

[lucid pond]

😂😂😂

[lucid pond]

Not true

[sour stump]

u played 2k on pc?

go buy it rn and go to the park

[lucid pond]

You didn’t say pc

[sour stump]

xD

[lucid pond]

Pc is a different world for 2k

[scarlet rivet]

Wow... really... I didn't know...

[quartz solstice]

no matter what skill you are doing the downside is you are stuck in a certain exit animation. a good defender will catch that animation. there is a reason pros barely skill and why no one uses skill moves much in high level clubs

[quartz solstice]

clearly not bro

like idk what to tell you

[lucid pond]

This guy claims to get 13 wins in WL btw acting like this @quartz solstice

[quartz solstice]

it seems to me like some guy was cooking you and you made this post in tilt

[lucid pond]

Spot on

[sour stump]

im not gonna say the 3 letters so i dont get banned but the mechanic that helps players makes everyone think they are good

[scarlet rivet]

Or I played against enough people doing the same things over and over to realize it's a little annoying and unnecessary.

[sour stump]

if defending worked like i dont need to take the ball back 20 times to actually keep it there would be no prob with cancels

[hollow portal]

😭😭

[sour stump]

but thats not the case

[lucid pond]

I’m not sure what u mean😂😭

[sour stump]

its starts with d

[hollow portal]

This is the real issue not skill canceling

[sour stump]

and ends with a

[lucid pond]

Ohh

Didier drogba

[sour stump]

HAHAHA

[hollow portal]

😂😂

[lucid pond]

Lmao

[pine niche]

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[scarlet rivet]

This thread is filled with a bunch of miserable troglodytes who need their crutches.

Spamming animation cancels or glitchy movements doesn't make you good at this game. It just means you're trying too hard and it's a bit pathetic watching a lot of you do it just for a couple more useless packs.

[jolly ridge]

So something should be removed because you aren’t good enough to stop it?🤔

Maybe you don’t try hard enough

Maybe get good and stop crying😂

[scarlet rivet]

Who is saying I'm not good enough to stop it? It just can't consistently be stopped.

Either the ball is poked away or it goes through my players feet. Not through the legs but through the actual foot as if my player is a ghost.

If you need to snap both your attackers ACLs and play mortal kombat in order to create a goal scoring chance then you probably didn't deserve that opportunity in the first place.

[jolly ridge]

Then the problem is tackling