#nerfdefensiveAI

[ruby mortar]

Need I say more?

#nerfdefensiveAI

[small spire]

Strongly agree 👍

[ancient acorn]

Facts

[maiden olive]

Yes please

Why are people afraid to use their brains to defend

Also when you press tackle they are way too inconsistent, I hardly ever get the ball when tackling but when I just jockey my players do it automatically😭

[deep skiff]

manual tackles are so easy now... just nerf defensive ai and see how this community reacts

[raw wave]

#nerfdefensiveAI

great thread

[unreal belfry]

Strongly agreed mate

[grand wave]

In that case nerf the game too. Guys want to nerf everything. Use your brain to attack

[crystal gale]

up

[crystal gale]

use your brain to defend

[grand wave]

Use your brain to attack

[distant dove]

road to 10000

use your brain to defend

[meager flame]

THIS

[distant dove]

#1433502687537790976

[grand wave]

Use your brain to attack

[distant dove]

Use your brain to defend

[grand wave]

Guys never played any football at high level and still speaking for those playing football

[unreal belfry]

Look, the problem is that at this point, attacking doesn’t require any brain, it just needs luck to find a small gap between players, because they’re constantly making interceptions just by running around with their CDMs. Now, I agree that defending should be better and that AI should help a bit, but not by intercepting every ball, closing every gap, and making the game sweaty. They should make defending better by improving tackles, so when you defend well and time your tackle right, you actually get rewarded. But the way defense works right now, you don’t need brains or skill to defend, you just need better players than your opponent. And honestly, that’s not good..

[grand wave]

Use your brain to attack

[distant dove]

Use your brain to defend

😄

[grand wave]

I’m not defending with my DM. They must find a solution for different things:
-1st is find a way to make the player be able to tackle correctly with the defense without AI intercepting for you
-2nd thing is that they should manage the R1. Every players are dribbling like they are Messi which is not good cause it even make the low player good.
-3rd one, they should not patch the GK, I consider it as a skill to move the GK and or anticipate his move. That’s all. But guys, keep in mind, the game won’t be perfect, there will be a place for improvements everytime, and instead of saying « use your brain » to defend, everyone should act like you. This is more constructive. See you 🫡

[raw wave]

Imagine considering skill pressing R3 to move the keeper 🤣

[grand wave]

But Even if the player is defending with his CDM, I’m still able to attack honestly by making call with my player at different place.

[grand wave]

Imagine considering skill a shot with empty net 😂😂😂. No doubt you never played football.

[raw wave]

Did I say that was skill?

[unreal belfry]

You could say I agree with you on the first two points, but moving your goalkeeper isn’t a skill. Why do I say that? Because most of the time, under that much pressure and with the center-back behind you running like prime Bale, you’re going to shoot far post. And it’s not even about pressing R3 anymore, they just do a double triangle, and the keeper moves. I do it myself, and it saves goals for me. That’s why it’s unfair, because in my opinion, when a player is good enough to get a 1v1 with your goalkeeper, he should score.

[raw wave]

and also, before GK movement GK's couldn't catch a ball?

Bro never met Butland

[unreal belfry]

I didn’t say it’s impossible, I’m saying it can be improved to give players a better experience.

[grand wave]

The 1v1 should not be guaranteed goal, except if you want a tennis score….

[raw wave]

1 v 1 situations are made because you make them happen, you earned it, why does it have to be 50/50? That's just stupid.

[grand wave]

But it’s football bro

[unreal belfry]

It should be unless you shoot down the middle with a player who has low shooting or low composure just like IRL

[raw wave]

The skill gap is between 1 player attacking and 1 player defending, but rn the defensive player got 2 bullets, if he defends bad he can move the keeper to still save them. Nah, it's a bail out mechanic

and not even considering the OP AI defense so it's not like 1 vs 1. It's like 1 vs 191827189379

[grand wave]

You absolutely want to nerf defense everywhere. If you still have a problem to attack right now it’s a skill issue. I’m scoring 6-7 goals per game

[raw wave]

It wouldn't matter much if the AI wasn't tackling from behind every time, and winning the ball back EVEERY TIME

[unreal belfry]

That’s exactly what I’m saying, how many barriers should there be to stop you from scoring ? 😂

[grand wave]

How many goals do you want to score per game ? 20? Then this is not football anymore

[raw wave]

I do, because it's bs and have ppl thinking that they are better than what they actually are

[unreal belfry]

Me too, but like I said, defense needs to improve in a different way, auto interceptions aren’t the answer.

[grand wave]

But you Will also concede more goals

[raw wave]

I don't have problem attacking, i win most of my games, but the game is not fun, because everyone relies on their cdm's and stupid AI defense.

[raw wave]

I don't care, if I defend bad i absolutely deserve to concede more goals.

That is where we find the skill gap, not in AI defense, not in GK movement.

[unreal belfry]

Before the first patch, when people said defending was bad, I was scoring a lot of goals, but I wouldn’t concede more than three, because I knew how to drop back and be patient with my defending instead of just spamming the tackle button.

[raw wave]

1 barrier in the player they control, 1 barrier in second man pressing, 1 barrier in automatic AI defense (because they run backwards always tackling from behind) and 1 barrier in GK. And STILL they say it's not OP XD

[grand wave]

If you keep winning that’s good then. Guys, the only thing you will have at the end is that you’ll play only between good player making your game totally unplayable for you. Let’s the people with no skill coming instead of playing competition. Only 0.1% of the population is pro player on that game.

[raw wave]

I don't care about winning or losing, when I play, if I lose I wanna lose because my rival is better than me, because he outplayed me, HIM, NOT THE AI.

why do you think everyone uses 2 CDM's formattions, they are broken man. It's disgusting to play every match with the same 2-3 formattions. There is no variety in gameplay, it's park the bus - counter attack, every single match.

[unreal belfry]

Exactly, if I’m bad, I should lose, and if I’m good, I should win. That’s the whole point.

[raw wave]

where is the fun in that? not even in winning those matches.

[grand wave]

You won’t get the perfect game unfortunately and tbh this is something we will never agreed to. Not your fault, not mine, the world is working like that. See you guys, I have a lot of work to do

[grand wave]

Dont worry I feel that too but this is the game since a loooooooong Time

[unreal belfry]

Agreed, have a great day (or night), depending where you are

[grand wave]

Thank you bro (I’m in Canada) you too

[woeful root]

A game doesn’t have to be perfect, and I can accept losing a match. But what I can’t accept is losing because of the AI. Since you think it’s fine for a game to be imperfect, then why can’t you accept the nerfed AI in FC26? It might lead to more goals, but it definitely won’t make more players smash their controllers over AI-defended counterattack goals.

[grand wave]

The game is made for everyone. Just keep that in mind, is not only done for me, for you, it is made for the world and not everyone is playing every day or as you wish. Like I said I don’t have time anymore to debate about a game. See you

[ruby mortar]

I don't play it everyday either. I wouldn't consider myself an exceptional player by any standards but that doesn't mean I can't simply learn how to play the game without needing the AI holding my hand in an online competitive mode.

If you can't keep up with the "sweats" then that's why there are different divisions for different skill levels and if that's still too much there's a completely offline experience and way to play in and out of FUT.

There's absolutely no reason why the online competitive gameplay needs to have AI assistance that was any better than what it was during early access.

You could also just play efootball instead and use smart assist if there's too much to learn in this game.

[woeful root]

You don’t have time anymore, but you are still typing. See you soon

[open drift]

I approve this message.

Nerfing it is not enough...
It should be completely gone out of the game.

[open drift]

This ☝️
I don't mind losing 5-0 against an actual good player at all.
But I cannot stand losing by a 1 goal difference that is the most forced BS 90 min goal against a timmy that thinks they're good because AI defending (and DDA) holding their hands.

[ancient acorn]

No that would be too much lol

[unreal belfry]

Agreed, but this game without a bit help in defence and attack will be unplayable, It's like playing warzone on controller without aim assist, everything will feel out of control

[open drift]

That's why I said AI defending not the whole AI 🙃

[open drift]

There's a difference between "a bit" and letting the AI do all the work (which is pretty much the case rn) but yeah.

AI should be limited to movment/positioning, not to defend on your behalf.

[ancient acorn]

I want early access gameplay but with improved jockey and no kickoff glitch and corners
Literally that easy

[open drift]

I would take that as well anyday.
Like early access wasn't perfect but it was the best thing we had.

[ruby mortar]

+1

[distant dove]

Nerf second man contain

There is no way you can press r1 and have AI make last ditch tackles for you

It’s zero skill

[ruby mortar]

They have to change the 1.0.2 update that made AI defenders drop deeper and stay closer together.

[distant dove]

Yeah it’s a park the bus feet

Fest

[proper goblet]

They should nerf both r1 dribbling and AI defending to make game more balanced it also widens skill gaps.

[ruby mortar]

Personally I didn't have an issue with the dribbling prior to the live tuning. The AI from early access would've been great in that gameplay.

[cyan grove]

#nerfdefensiveAI

[bright mantle]

Agree . Do it EA

[maiden olive]

Imagine not shooting opposite to where the keeper is moved

[dire lantern]

agree

[twilit whale]

anyone who says AI defending should stay are AI abusers

Im a 13-15 win player and this game should be fully manual

attacking/defending should all be manual

[ruby mortar]

I don't even want it so I can win more. I just want it so my losses feel deserved.

Every game I enter I go 2 or 3 goals up and then all of a sudden I'm playing mortal kombat against 7 AI defenders in the box and my opponent is just spamming A and B with whoever he sprints back with without any kind of punishment for missing his tackles.

I could just park the bus myself and hold onto the ball for the rest of the game but then my players magically forget how to play after a couple minutes.

[hoary river]

#1433999386467238069

[cyan grove]

Yeah, game is so boring and unfair just because of the AI crap alone.

And on the other hand, the second you actually do anything manual even if it's the right switch, you're mostly screwed because defenders turn instantly numb.

[dim nebula]

Nerf it to the ground and punish these rats that rely on ai defending

[austere mango]

@oblique jackal fix input delay

[light crag]

I hope they don't listen your nonsense request. You cry about AI defense but we're perfused by AI attack (runs and positioning of AI teammates) and multiple degrees of speed like R1 and L1 that don't exist in defense. So no, I hope they don't nerf the defense but they buff it.

[tacit gazelle]

Use ur brain to defend nerd

[stray loom]

Yess +111

[ruby mortar]

I hope you try to get better at the game once they do.

[spiral hamlet]

Up

[cyan grove]

That's actually such an invalid argument, AI defending is OP, your take is literally all about manual defending which we agree, it should be buffed.
But having to breakdown 7-8 players in the box each time you have the ball is just boring, that's why people keep circling around for 20 hours before making a decision.

[prime sky]

It needs to nerfed on squad battles, even worst on there

[light crag]

Instead of talking about an hypothetical future, you would do better to apply it to yourself right now.

[light crag]

There are eleven players on the pitch, it's a 11v11, not a 1v1 nor 4 attackers (1 controlled attacker + 3 active AI teammates) vs 1 controlled defender who can't regulate his pace, can't take the ball by standing tackle, can't intercept nor block a shot; plus you want him to have tetraplegic AI teammates in defensive phase.
Are you serious?

[cyan grove]

So should the AI be so strong as it's today and just do all the work for people that don't even bother defending?
how is that balanced for you?
Do you understand what AI defending is though?
cuz your takes are literally manual defending issues not the other way around

[light crag]

You seem to not understand. We can't control 11 players at the same time. So when we control one, we hope that the ten left do their job too with the role and tactics given.
Of course, there is a need to balance the difficulty between defence and attack. But in football, the easiest part is always defending than attacking. This is the reason why attackers get more paid than defender. But here, you beg for easy attack hard defence with no help from AI teammates when we got all cheaty help with automatic shot, automatic pass, R1 and L1 teammates run, different speed, cancelled skills, player lock, etc.
Be honest and just recognize the truth.

[cyan grove]

No one is begging for easy attacks 😂
You literally don't get rewarded for any attacking plays at all, it's literally park the bus simulator and counter attacks nothing else, people get the ball with their CMs/ST and just try to play it to the winger and it goes from there, over and over again and that's literally on the Elite Division where the actual good players are
You can't control 11 players that's true but that doesn't mean I have to get the ball in the box and keep recycling because the 18 yards box has 7-8 players every single time I try to build up, it's not fun nor creative to play the game at all.

If you think AI defending we currently have needs a buff by any chance or even think it's balanced then you must be really bad at the game.

Manual defending should be rewarding, same goes for proper attacking plays but neither of those 2 things are being rewarded, they are mostly getting punished by people that don't even bother switching to the right players when required

[light crag]

It's part of football. Yesterday, PSG scored at 90+4 against Nice who parked the bus during the whole match.
Don't talk about my level, you don't know me, so your ad hominem attack is only vacuum.
For your last point, it's about skill. It shouldn't bother us who is defending: AI or human. If we're good, we get through either way. Football is not kick and rush, slaloming around all the players, scoring at each shot.

[cyan grove]

Well, there's where you get it wrong.
This is not real football and they already advertised a competitive, fun and arcady experience which how it should be, that's what made Fifa fun back in the day, right now, it's just boring to play no matter if you win or if you lose.
I didn't say I can't score goals or win games, I still can, I get 13-14 wins on Champs (got rank 1 1st week) and 900+ SR on the Elite Division but it's just not fun, every single division rivals game feel the same

And yes, we should be bothered about if it's AI that does the work for people or it's an actual good decision by whoever is holding the joystick, we're not playing squad battles 😂
Skill in both defending and attacking is key for a healthy competitive experience which feels rewarding not completely random in a lot of games

[light crag]

And yes, the midfielders are too far from eachother. Goalkeepers are not as good as it should be. Interceptions are not performed when it should be, even someone without a play style should take a ball near toi him especially when you do your best to be on the trajectory of the pass. You can't press collectively someone who wants to keep the ball: they just have to run and run back, the teammates do nothing, there is no squad block. I can continue a long time.

[cyan grove]

It seems like we play 2 different games, what division are you in?

[light crag]

That's the point. There are two communities in one: football fans and arcade players. We are not in the same side. So that's why.

[cyan grove]

Yepp, and that's why they made 2 different types of modes, authentic and competitive, they shouldn't be the same.

[light crag]

It's always the same games because we play thousands matches per year. So it's normal.

[light crag]

You have no merit when you score neither. If you want to flat your ego, play everything manual, then you can say it's because of you and your talent. But when you play automatic ping pong, glitched moves (that impose some animation to the opponent), get help in your aiming, etc, it's nothing competitive.

So that's why, in my opinion, the game need to be balanced but not as you intend.

I play authentic and "competitive" modes.

They are both trash.

[cyan grove]

huh? 😂😂😂😂

[light crag]

Yeah. Are you shocked?

[cyan grove]

Nah but it's just pointless to argue with people that have no idea how the game works 😂
Pretty sure that you never got out of division 3-4
Not a single person I know that's good in this game, including pros enjoy how defending works, it can reward bad players at times but never the other way around, everything else you mentioned there has no negative/unfair impacts on the games' results

[light crag]

Here we go again. You're just arrogant.

Have a nice day though.

[cyan grove]

No, I am not arrogant, learn the difference 😂
I am saying the truth, if you can't play the game then your input is invalid, simple.

[cyan grove]

You too budd ❤️

[light crag]

I can play the game, since a long time ago. I saw a lot of change since FIFA 2002. So I don't need the validation of someone else to tell me what I have to see, I have my own eyes and feelings.
For the rest, we just don't have the same expectations: I want to play a football game, you want to play something else. That's it.
As you say, EA made two different gameplay. Unfortunately, they deceived both side.

[light crag]

❤️

[cyan grove]

Yeah, seems like Simeone's haramball is the only way you can call it "football" 😂

We all played the game for a very long time but we can both agree that it's just not fun currently

[ancient acorn]

Yep it's terrible

[ruby mortar]

You know you can freely select any of the 11 players right. No one is saying the AI shouldn't follow your tactics. But there is absolutely no need for the AI to make tackles, interceptions, blocks, chase attackers unless told to with second man press, no need to drop into the gks area, no need to stand shoulder to shoulder. The list could go on.

In the early access the AI was not doing as much as it does now and I didn't have a problem with it. I was closing things down by player switching and using second man press correctly. The only issues I had was because the manual defending commands weren't responsive. Now I even really need to switch players at all.

[ruby mortar]

So get off FUT and stick with clubs and career.

[ruby mortar]

You're just bad at the game without the AIs help.

[light crag]

We are all helped by AI. The only thing is you cry about defensive AI but you don't even realize how many help we get from AI in attack. You're just blind.

Plus, as said before, you don't know me so just be humble.

[light crag]

No.

[hoary river]

if its so OP why did a game end 19-10 yesterday in the pro open?

its clearly NOT OP. pro players are scoring so many goals its not funny.

stats back up that defensive AI is not OP. yet people continue to cry with no actual concrete evidence.

[light crag]

Exactly.

It's always 10+ goals per match.

[hoary river]

however, i do believe that all automatic defensive mechanics should be fully removed, with an associated buff to Defensive man marking. Meanwhile; offensive AI should be reduced/removed as well.

[light crag]

👍

[ruby mortar]

What help in attack from the AI? The optional aim assist settings or the runs I have to orchestrate myself? All 11 of my players should follow my tactics and nothing else.

I don't want any help from the AI otherwise and my opponents shouldn't have it online either. We should all have to learn how to play the game ourselves with as little AI as possible.

No tackles, no blocks, no interceptions, no chasing unless told to, no assisted passes or shots. EA should also revert the 1.0.2 update that made defenders stay shoulder to shoulder and drop deeper while defending.

If the attacking needs to be nerfed along with AI then so be it, as long as the AI stops playing for people on defense.

[ruby mortar]

Because they don't park the bus and sit back all game?

[hoary river]

Mate. Every pass and shot you make is assisted by AI including role++

[hoary river]

Pro player are doing EVERYTHING to win.

Parking the bus doesn’t work at that level

Clearly a skill issue.

By you

There was a 12-11 game too. Where Adida won

[ruby mortar]

@hoary river the pro players and the general community are very different. They play the game without forcing 9 defenders into the box and playing for only counters. They know what they're doing and they know how to attack and defend on their own. Thus you get high scoring games.

I can score an ample amount of goals even against the park the bus kids that abuse the AI all while having my settings on full manual. My players with ++ don't do anything better than those without it other than play their position better. If I put messi as a target man he would still do the exact same same things on the ball as if I used him as a false 9. ++ doesn't improve stats. Just player positioning.

If you think the score lines need to be lower, the way the attacking mechanics can be abused needs to be changed, not turn this game into FC25.

This game could go back to early access AI defending along with the dribbling we had at the beginning of this patch and the game would have a good balance.

[hoary river]

so what youre saying is. there is a skill issue.

[light crag]

You're just ignorant. It's okay. Just learn what really are AI and script. Then maybe we could have a better conversation.

[hoary river]

and u want to nerf defensive AI because youre bad at attacking.

makes sense.

if anything based on actual gameplay at skilled levels; defense should be buffed!

or you want a game catered to the worst players in FC?

[ruby mortar]

Did you read what I said.? I said I can still attack. I just don't want the AI covering my opponents mistakes so I can score more.

[hoary river]

bro there are 20+ goals a game.

how many goals u wanrt?

go play 2k NBA lol

[light crag]

Lol

[hoary river]

i want all ur passes to be manual so offensive AI doesn't bail your bad attackng out.

[ruby mortar]

So slow the speed of attack down to what it was before the last live tuning. But also nerf the automatic defending

[hoary river]

like when u double tap Y(triangle) and then somehow get to magically have an assisted pass that pops over my manually controlled defender.

nice Offensive AI.

[hoary river]

i didnt say that.

[ruby mortar]

That's just a lofted pass... press b or a at the correct moment to intercept it yourself. Quite simple

[light crag]

North America...

That's the reason why.

[ruby mortar]

That's why I want to play a full manual football game?

[light crag]

You call it soccer, no? 😜

[hoary river]

The ideal situation is: REMOVE ALL AUTOMATIC DEFENDING (no auto tackles, no auto intercepts, no auto 'bruiser animations'). Then increase man marking of all defenders. Then NERF all Offensive AI. At some point Role

Roles and AI runs need to be 'buffed' based on tactics. but small steps.

[hoary river]

you do not push 'tackle' to intercept a pass. clearly you dont play this game at a high level.

[light crag]

That's why you don't realize you're assisted when you score 10+ goals. You watch too much NBA, NHL, etc.

[ruby mortar]

You need the AI to play for you no?

[light crag]

No

I need 10 teammates.

[ruby mortar]

Hate those sports with a passion.

[ruby mortar]

Go play clubs with some friends

[hoary river]

Kovu the poor and limited role system isnt part of this discussion at the moment. but we all agree that roles is EXTREMELY limiting and not even remotely close to what it should look like

[light crag]

There also are 11 players out of clubs.

[hoary river]

the lack of versatility is insane.

[light crag]

Yeah, it's a pity. But I don't even talk about that here.

[hoary river]

im from NA and take offense to your comments. my parents born in Italy though.

[light crag]

I'm just astonished people don't realize how much we are helped in offensive phases.

[hoary river]

lmao

[ruby mortar]

I would prefer the classic tactics too. Hate this new nonsense.

[hoary river]

i like the idea of roles. jsut execution sucks.

[light crag]

It wasn't meant to be rude. Sorry. I'm just talking about sport culture. NA has the culture of a lot of scores/points to be distracted.

[ruby mortar]

I play all my settings on manual and always have. I just know how to build up with the formation I pick.

[light crag]

Everything needs to be fast, intense, etc

When in Europe, like football, it's okay to have 3 goals.

[hoary river]

yah its true and I understodd your point lmao

[light crag]

We don't need to say one goal counts for two or three, to make a big score at the end. That's it.

[hoary river]

bro there is 0 % chance u play on all manual settings

and youre above div 5.

like absolutely 0%

i think i would bet the house on it.

[light crag]

Top!

[ruby mortar]

Not in this game but in the past yes.

Full manual is just more fun

[hoary river]

first you say this. NOW you say something else

lmfaooo

[cyan grove]

It was literally one game out of a dozen + they play longer matches and they also literally have 0 ms, if you're playing on 30+ MS which alot of us are, you will have a noticeable delay which might prevent you from making some minor dribbles that would break a certain defending animation or time that LM/RM through pass that everyone does everywhere to initiate a counter.
Pro players can do whatever they want because they are paid to play w/e and forced to adapt, if they hate on the game, they will literally be stopped from competing.

[hoary river]

they have bad gameplay there too. tis not a real lan because theyre connected to UT servers.

also; there were plenty of high scoring games.

and yes 9 min halves. so divide by 33%

and still MANY MANY goals.

[cyan grove]

And how many of these goals were extremely similar? 😂

[hoary river]

reset plays

were definitely #1 type of goal.

which goes to show that the defensive AI isnt great. cause it doesnt defend that play (offensive AI superior)

[ruby mortar]

You slow, do need to space it out more?

I play full manual in fc26 but I refuse to play past div 3

[hoary river]

you do not play full manual in fc 26 and are past div 5.

i guarantee it.

without a doubt

feel free to DM me with actual proof

and ill eat my words.

[ruby mortar]

Given I haven't touched rivals since 1.0.2 I can't provide proof.

[hoary river]

ok so once again

get called out.

and story changes

good good

[light crag]

In the top 5 European league, the average goal scored per game is less than 3.

[hoary river]

to be fair. this is a video game

and prolly 5 goals per game average is the 'sweet spot'

for what would be ideal.

[cyan grove]

This guy is literally trying to simulate real football numbers into a video game.

[hoary river]

nothing wrong with that. its a football game.

gotta defintiely skew upwards for 'fun factor'

but nothing wrong with wanting some expectation of slight realismn

[ruby mortar]

I'm not hiding anything though. I had this same exact argument with the troglodytes that wanted r1 to be brought back.

[cyan grove]

That's not including matches' statistics

[light crag]

I'm just recalling to what we have to refer, if we are talking about football.
Of course, it's okay to have a bit fun for a game since it's to get distracted, everything is not funny in a real football match. It's just a question of balance but we are far from that.

The simple solution is to have two really different and good gameplays, and to have the choice to play each one in all the modes.

[cyan grove]

That's not a solution, make a game skill based on both attacking and defending is what needs to be made.

[light crag]

It is because we disagree on what's a football game.

[cyan grove]

What was the last fun fifa you played?

[ruby mortar]

Well they have authentic offline and competitive online.

You could ask them to make authentic online rather than make competitive more authentic.

[sly nacelle]

this game is so bad now, im facing low block controlling a DM for the full 90 as the team presses the life out of me whilst I attack and have 0 space or attacking AI to make a run into space for me, its literally fc25 all over again. elite division is the most depressing gameplay i have ever been in, the game is so gone now.

[light crag]

I liked the 14 and 16 with modding way.

[cyan grove]

What does modding way mean?

[ruby mortar]

This is the issue. If this wasn't a thing I'd probably be playing right now.

[light crag]

It was a modd on pc. To get all countries, tournament (world cup, etc).

[cyan grove]

Yepp, boring.

[sly nacelle]

I quit, its just miserable to play now. I've just given up. i was having so much fun but the game is so dead now

[light crag]

On offline mode.

[cyan grove]

Are you playing FC through kickoff?

[light crag]

I used to play with my friends and family tournaments.

[ruby mortar]

Early access on this game will always be remembered...

[light crag]

Yes, but not only.

I play all the modes.

[sly nacelle]

RIP, we had fun while it lasted. standard EA killing a game after patch 1

[ruby mortar]

Flash backs of fifa 18

[light crag]

You tagged clubs. So that's why I'm here. Clubs needs to be authentic.

But even authentic is not good.

[ruby mortar]

Oh yes most certainly. I agree with you there.

I tagged clubs because it's currently got the same AI defending as FUT

[light crag]

👍

[hoary river]

Agreed.

[light basin]

Im afraid if they remove it every game is going to be 20 goals

[hoary river]

It’s extremely easy to break down a low block. You have an attacking issue.

Literally run to corner flag

Pass back to dm

Hit striker

Then finesse

Turn* finesse goal.

It’s literally most braindead play ever

And always works

[sly nacelle]

@hoary river I still break down low blocks, but the problem is . im playing the same thing every single game with 0 alternative gameplay, my point is the game is boring as fu$ck now

[light basin]

You forget do 20 turns with left stick dribble

[sly nacelle]

my whole point is how boring and same the gameplay is now post patch

[hoary river]

That’s a totally different point of view.

Imagine you’re man city and play against the same counter attack every game. Thats football.

[sly nacelle]

yeah but this is a video game

[light basin]

Yeah everyone has the same players and does the same moves

[sly nacelle]

im not playing for an exact 1 to 1 of real football

[hoary river]

Well then play a different game lol

[sly nacelle]

bro you are cooked

[hoary river]

Cause that’s video games everyone wants the meta and to win

lol

[light basin]

Keepers are useless aswell. But if you play against sb they stop everything

[hoary river]

Ur never gonna have a game that doesn’t have that’s

[sly nacelle]

bro, your point is dont ask for change or discuss new things. just accept what is or dont play

strange

[hoary river]

That’s not my point

[light basin]

Im just feeling sorry for all the elite players. Having to play so many games. It creates a mental ilness lol

[hoary river]

My point is it’s unsolvable. Your particular issue - no low block

Then everyone cried that they can’t low block like their favourite irl team 😭

[sly nacelle]

no, the low block is fine if there were more effective ways to get around it

[hoary river]

all u do is expose the low block.

With the very effective way

Then once you’re up

[sly nacelle]

i dont want to have to run and do the same play every time, its just like FC25, trivela spam

[hoary river]

You force them to come out

[sly nacelle]

its so boring

[hoary river]

If they don’t wanna come out

You win 1-0

🙏

[sly nacelle]

everyone hated fc25, by far the worst fifa ever made

yes of course,

[light basin]

Finesse needs to be back

[hoary river]

I score finesse outside the box with Salah just fine…

Like 22~ yards

[sly nacelle]

but once again. this still doesnt change the fact that the game is boring as fu$ck as every single player is playing low block counter running around with 1 player, the skill gap is significantly lower and the game is just not really fun.

[hoary river]

Just do the reset play and stop crying:

Or learn skill moves

Or learn player locks

Or both

There are plenty of ways

Or use more offensive tactics to go into tiki taka

[sly nacelle]

oh my days

this guy

[hoary river]

To break down the low block

[sly nacelle]

😂

[hoary river]

There are countless ways.

[sly nacelle]

thanks but once again im not asking for advice on how to beat low blocks.

[hoary river]

Great. U said -> my whole point is how boring and same the gameplay is now post patch

Im saying that there are MULTIPLE ways to play and break it down

This is a you issue.

[sly nacelle]

brother, this is not a "me" issue. i do all these things and win games. BUT

BUT

BUT

the game is significantly less fun and more boring post patch as it feels like fc25 all over again with the boring same same way of attacking everytime with no alternative

[steady orbit]

i agree pleaaaase Ea

[hoary river]

Fun is subjective.

[sly nacelle]

just like spamming trivela, its just boring

[light basin]

Its making you braindead? Yeah me 2

[hoary river]

Your idea of fun is different than other people ideas

What is your way of fun more valid ?

[sly nacelle]

wow cheers mate didnt know that

[hoary river]

All that matters for the video game is that there’s competitive balance.

That’s objective.

[light basin]

The game is not balanced if everyone is doing te same.thing

[hoary river]

The most skilled player should win.

[hoary river]

I agree. If there’s no real meta that’s an issue

[sly nacelle]

yep, we all agree

you know what, there's more than 1 or 2 ways to score i guess i'll be happy with that instead of just trivela spam like last year ig...

[light basin]

So we all have to wait for the AI to press the ball after 20 spins. And then score on the counter

Might aswell sit on the couch and when the controller gives a buzz( taking the ball) imma go press pass 3 times and shoot

Amd if you scored 3 times you can enjoy watching 20 own goals. And do that 10 times a week for some fodder packs😂

Sounds fun? Ea come on. Be creative

[empty socket]

The defensive AI is the least of the problems in this game.

[ruby mortar]

Then they should just learn how to do it themselves. Catering to one side of the community over the other isn't helping anything.

The middle ground is slow attack like before the live tuning and more manual defending rather than AI like early access.

[trim flume]

I completely agree with you!

[light basin]

Yeah they should try deleting some animations and see if it benefits gameplay in general

[noble thistle]

The cpu ruine this game since fc24 and we still have this problem

[hoary river]

The crying emoji indicates I’m not serious.

[ruby mortar]

Doesn't make me wrong

[hoary river]

Your opinion stopped mattering when you pretended to be a div5+ player on full manual settings. I don’t even think you could do 2-13 in champs on full manual.

[ruby mortar]

Well that's an ignorant opinion. I didn't get to play full manual settings on champs before the 1.0.2 update so I don't even know. I did win 8 games last week before I gave up because all my opponents dropped back and counter spammed as soon as I took the lead.

[hoary river]

I guarantee there is not a single fifa

You have ever played

Where u have won more than 3 champs games with full manual settings

I don’t even think pro players could go 5 wins with full manual settings

[ancient acorn]

Nah full manual isn't even that hard if you're used to it

A guy got 15-0 with a bronze team, and you think they can't do full manual? Huge doubts

They're still monsters with the sticks

[hoary river]

Broomey literally plays for my pro team organization

And he literally told me he can’t get more than 2 wins with full manual settings

u can check his stream from today I asked him about it lol

@ancient acorn

[ancient acorn]

What? I don't believe that
Try at least

[hoary river]

Check his stream haha I’m just the Messenger

[ancient acorn]

Did he try at least or he just said that?

[ruby mortar]

@hoary river have you ever done it for more than one game or practiced with it? That's how me and my friends grew up playing it back on the couch.

It's how I prefer to play today and it would be much easier if my opponents weren't relying on the AI to defend for them.

[ruby mortar]

Watched a couple of his clips before. I definitely don't get matchmaking like him. I also don't play a 4411 high press with all the assists on.

I can't respectfully make further comments on him.

[hoary river]

He’s a pro player in EU. Top 10 at eprem last season

[ruby mortar]

I'm sure he's a good guy. Looks like one of the guys that would run the attendance when I was still in school. No disrespect.

However I can't take the current pros seriously. I haven't watched anyone since Kurt left the scene.

Im sure they would all get the better of me in the current gameplay but the current gameplay just isn't "competitive" yet.

[hoary river]

Yah you’re insane 🤣

Most braindead take I’ve ever heard on this entire discord by far

[quiet haven]

Need to remove the fidget spinners. Far too OP. And once they remove GK movements its gonna be so much worse

Can't even exit Div 8 now and ive got an 88 rated team💀 Update just killed it

[ruby mortar]

I'm insane? Most brain dead take you've read on this backwards discord?

The guy is apparently a top 10 player with AI assisted football and meta tactics. I don't care if he does it with bronze players, or his eyes closed.

Nothing these "pros" accomplish or do will be meaningful until the AI assistance is nerfed.

[ruby mortar]

+1

[shadow ledge]

@hoary river do you come here to just to argue dont you see people are looking to change this Game

[hoary river]

i agree with things that i feel are correct opinions

and disagree/argue with others

[shadow ledge]

Bro i have followed your comments for hours now and i actually do not like how you just think you are better than your fellow mates who are trying to better this game because we all know if we dont help ea fix 26 majority will leave the game ...i have played for over 27 years and just being here in discord is a testiment change in gameplay is deserved so kindly respect every opinion like a man.

[shadow ledge]

Every one you have talked to is genuinly gaming to better and enjoy fc 26 so you cant feel if their opinions are correct you can only control how you feel not what we all as fc / fifa community feel towards the current state of a game we have played since we were children growing up unless you are on Ea's payroll i suggest you keep that to yourself kindly.

[woeful cradle]

Ea please nerf the fidget spinning left stick dribbles and insane r1 dribble.

To those who want attacking to be more and more broken op... Instead of constantly asking for help through broken attacking mechanics why don't just learn to attack better? Do you want all other defenders to get out of your way so that you can just abuse every mechanic and score?

[ruby mortar]

Do you want the AI making tackles and intercepting the ball for you every time you make a defensive mistake?

If the AI gets reverted back to before 1.0.2 and the dribbling goes back to before the live tuning update the game will be balanced.

No one wants broken mechanics to abuse but no one wants to deal with the AI either.

[raw grove]

ai being too op is making me look like such a bad player

ai defending is more broken than ever

aswell as 2nd man press

every day i’m losing to players 10x worse than me, but they win because they abuse the ai defending because they know how broken it is, running around with the wingers at cdm 2nd man press letting ai do everything, it’s not me, it’s the way people are playing and ruining the game because it’s so broken

[ancient acorn]

Every game is the same I swear
CPU walls, counter
Run with your winger with rapid or rapid+
Sideline
Turn a little, wait for the cb to stop manmarking for no reason, pass on the middle, box, turn (or first timed) goal

I've been doing that too
Doesn't feel fun at all

One dimensional experience

[raw grove]

it’s just recycle

recycle ball

sit deep, 9 defenders, get the ball run down wing all the way to corner, turn around pass in middle pass in box shoot goal

ai nerf would genuinely make all the terrible players abusing it get 5 wins

[ancient acorn]

Surely I'll concede too, but idc
Like, if my oppo deserved it that's cool
Yesterday I played Champs against this guy I was winning 3-1
Then 3-3 in the 90 trough a bs goal (ofc)

Extra time, 4-3 for me
110 minute, I keep attacking
He stayed like 5 minutes time running around with Camavinga not selecting anyone else, I just stood still and he kept running around with him

Is it justified to lose time against these people?

Because I did

[raw grove]

it depends if u actually are relying on Ai too score

i manually defend

and i’m good at that

but when u face a cdm holder not switching anyone

just play ratty they deserve it

[ancient acorn]

I always switch and play fast aggressive, right switch to prevent trough passes all that
Except it works less this year because a good trough pass means your fullback slows down for no reason

Idk why 90 pace fullbacks can't catch up like they have 70 pace

And only happens there cuz else they reach anyone

Weird

[ruby mortar]

+1

[ruby mortar]

+1

[woeful cradle]

Ea please nerf the fidget spinning left stick dribbles and insane r1 dribble.

To those who want attacking to be more and more broken op... Instead of constantly asking for help through broken attacking mechanics why don't just learn to attack better? Do you want all other defenders to get out of your way so that you can just abuse every mechanic and score?

[dim nebula]

Learn to defend instead of relying on ai defence

[iron hazel]

EA fix your game please 🙏🤦🏻‍♂️

[ruby mortar]

🙏

[carmine jolt]

one thing that need buff sick of defenders running away from attacker

and buff golekeepers as they useless right now

[ruby mortar]

Depends on the situation. We don't want the AI doing everything.

[dusk coral]

PLEASE! Why are user controlled cms with 60 defending bodying me from behind while their cbs auto defend??? Defending was fine before .. just buff the Jockey.

[coral tiger]

Agree, sick and tired of bums getting bailed out by AI tackles

[carmine jolt]

Sure, i just want them to hold covering not running away or running around when someone spin in box

[raw grove]

11-4 in champs

4 losses to 451 cm holding 2nd man press AI defending

ea pls nerf it

[dusk coral]

Playing vs a guy who got frustrated and put the controller down until it dced him.

Prior to the d/c, The ai defense was clamping me up and played better than he did controlling his players. This is a fever dream 😂

[trim flume]

That would be very important.
I agree with you!

[distant dove]

This is why I quit

[oblique lynx]

Nerf the spinning in the game

[ruby mortar]

+1

[open drift]

+1

Pushing this again

[tribal plank]

👍

[ruby mortar]

+1

[raw wave]

#1433502687537790976 let's make this go viral

[ruby mortar]

Yes please

[native basin]

+1

[ruby mortar]

I hope 1.2.0 finally balances the game. Can't wait

[leaden token]

i wont play this cpu trash anymore if 1.2 doesnt solve this. launch version was perfect, i dont want to play the same defense with 1 button defending EVERY fuckin game. boring AF, and "fun" turns into rage with those cpu-co-op bastards who never tackle themselves

[echo breach]

Has anyone heard from EA? Maybe ICE raided their office and there's no-one there??? This is getting ridiculous now that EA aren't responding!

[open drift]

I can't take this game anymore, AI defence should be gone and all bots who like the current gameplay sincerely keep yourself safe.

[stray gate]

just revert the responsivness, left stick dribbling, first touches then we don‘t need ai defending fixes

[ruby mortar]

"i dOnT WAnt tO PlAYeR sWItCH nd DEfEnd On mY oWN"

[open drift]

Sorry for being negative but Slightly isn't enough

[dusk coral]

Slightly probably puts at fc25 state

still alot better then what ever tf we playing against now. div 2 and 80% of my games end with less then 4 total goals. 100% of those goals are counters or some glitchy first time throughball to the lm/rm

[woeful cradle]

Ea please nerf the fidget spinning left stick dribbles and insane r1 dribble.

To those who want attacking to be more and more broken op... Instead of constantly asking for help through broken attacking mechanics why don't just learn to attack better? Do you want all other defenders to get out of your way so that you can just abuse every mechanic and score?

[ruby mortar]

Is the update out now?

[open drift]

No, and I'm not expecting the update to be good

AI must kill AI defending but they won't do it, they're too spinless

[dusk coral]

I havnt had a chance to play today. Is the update out? And is AI defending less overpowered?

[granite quartz]

Still the same

[dusty brook]

love the nerf to ai defense ea @pseudo sage i can finally pass with out geting interceptied

[light basin]

Its a miracle you can pass at all. I cant even get the button to work half the time

[dusty brook]

are u Ethernet cable and are you on a monitor with 1ms ? and what's you're internet speed and how far do you live from a ea. server all that matters for this game

[ruby mortar]

#1436180665136840874

[dusk coral]

Cannot wait to get home and try

[light basin]

I can literally do a 1 hour simrace with 40 people connected from allover the world. But a 1v1 is to much? Its bad. I have usually 8 to 12 ms. And i play on my laptop monitor. Everything is on low because its eafc. It was working fine before. So i dont see any problems from my side