Dark Lancer

[quaint spire]

Cuz else it's very annoying

[tribal iris]

its fun if u enjoy it

there is definitely a special feeling in hitting billion dmg

lb rb build jst plays like slasher bm with more dmg but a lot more shi t to pay attention to

[limber ore]

my build tanking not a problem but yu cant use 4 while tankin

counter better than x

[tribal iris]

: i have no issue tanking with 4 build > just done use 4

😭 thats not how it works

then u are jst playing lmb build

[limber ore]

yeah ım using but while yu have the agro

its hard to use

better know the patterns

and ı have to say lunar farm ı use r

faster and gives me more drain

[polar quarry]

@dusk flame aqui

[fresh imp]

One thing annoys me, if u press E ure not outta combat before demonic form timer hits 16sec

[tribal iris]

yea its quite sh it

its making the msp clears very slow

can barely do 3 camps with dl

[fresh imp]

ikr im sure its a coding flaw, i see no logic behind it

its allso bad if u wanna yoink chests in dungeons xD

quite the debuff lol

[fresh imp]

Wts eu

[dull birch]

lmao

[quaint spire]

[steep patrol]

WTS EU

[drifting dock]

somehow it feels like this class has the worst crit rng variance

just did a yeti and I had 32% rate 90% of the fight

run before was 52%

it's wild

based on my personal calculations ofc, that I do in my head as I fight

[onyx silo]

any1 got a good video of rotation for me?

[tribal iris]

omg its maria

its in pins

[steep patrol]

up

[rotund tartan]

Hello, just a quick question.
for this build, the rotation that's from the pinned guide is working ?

[tribal iris]

it works if u crit

[onyx silo]

yes i just installed today

time for lancer xd

[polar elm]

btw do we know how long the crate bonus on glaive swell gm lasts ?

[tiny finch]

5s

[polar elm]

Thanks

Ah man idk if I should just get 1 selector leggy or gamble 2 random leggies

I need 1 LMB leggy at least

What if I end up getting 2 rmb 🥺

[tiny finch]

Die?

Idk

[quaint spire]

When Servers says nope

[light grove]

how much crit is needed for it to work?

[tribal iris]

60% is smooth

ideally end game dungeons would need you to run rmb for additional 15% cr

[limber ore]

1/3*1/3 = 0.11 very low chance yu get 2 rmb

[onyx silo]

what books i need

😄

i see some running with dreadbind

[tribal iris]

depends on what build you are running

[onyx silo]

just lmb, lmb 4 seems not worth

[tribal iris]

so lmb 48 and main stacking skill.

purple or above for 4 X Z

[onyx silo]

i see people use this

[tribal iris]

yea

thats pretty much it

dreadbind is optional

[onyx silo]

or this

so glavie not 48

[still jackal]

[tribal iris]

y b had to put counter since he was tanking boss 2 in bt

[tiny finch]

30gm rmb is pretty much exclusively for high lvl content

[onyx silo]

AH

[onyx silo]

else u put more in LMB?

[tiny finch]

yes

[onyx silo]

alr

[tiny finch]

with 1 of the slots being 4

[onyx silo]

whats dps diff between lmb and lmb 4 on dummy?

[tiny finch]

not much

technically lmb 4 is stronger

but practically

[onyx silo]

and compared to other classes?

[tiny finch]

diff story

[tribal iris]

its like

top 2/3 dps rn

[tiny finch]

dl is one of the strongest classes

if we crit

big ass if

[onyx silo]

xd

[tribal iris]

not much if

if u are rmb build

[onyx silo]

doesnt rmb give 15 % crit

[tribal iris]

u have so much extra demonic to never leave E

rmb gives 15% crit and also additional demonic

[onyx silo]

yeah so with glavie u come to > 75%?

[tribal iris]

depends on boss

[onyx silo]

BT 1-4

[tribal iris]

and ur cards

[onyx silo]

i just installed for BT xd

[tiny finch]

you're brand new?

[tribal iris]

bt you have 35%-38% without cards

hes not

he was top 1 bm

[onyx silo]

i mean currently im new

lvl 50

[tiny finch]

how long ago is "was"

[tribal iris]

yea very long

[tiny finch]

[tribal iris]

kek

[tiny finch]

oh boy

[onyx silo]

stopped after bsh

[tribal iris]

but believe in the power of swipe

[tiny finch]

ya you're not getting to bt anytime soon

unless you got a thick ass wallet

[tribal iris]

look at enzo

[onyx silo]

give me 1 week of hourglass farm

[tribal iris]

he got to bt

in 2 weeks?

[onyx silo]

btw what drops in BT

[tribal iris]

[onyx silo]

raid weapon and acc?

[tribal iris]

nothing amazing

[onyx silo]

and SS?

like live

[tiny finch]

we don't do raid gear here

[tribal iris]

mostly just mushin soul core

[onyx silo]

rip

atleast we have old mechs

[tribal iris]

yea

everything lair and above

is kinda fun with mechs

[onyx silo]

what came after i quit lol

i guess its all old mechs?

or did they add new

[tribal iris]

yea

old old with some variations or additions

[onyx silo]

i see

what was button for current dungeon list

CTRL I or smth

and what are the other top dps btw

i assume light bd, ice rain fm?

ep sin small off

[tiny finch]

shadow wl pretty high up

[onyx silo]

bm dead

[tiny finch]

sin is trash now

from what i heard

just cuz everything else got buffed

[onyx silo]

ah true WL came out

[tiny finch]

the wl builds flipped in strength

frost wl used to be the better one and shadow wl was mega copium

now shadow wl is like

twice the dps of frost i think

[onyx silo]

but same dps as lancer?

thats crazy

[tiny finch]

depends on content too

using negi as reference who is like

top na wl rn

[onyx silo]

tbh i just look on endgame stuff

[tiny finch]

he out dpses lancer in dungeons

but loses on wb

[onyx silo]

so basically WB + BT

[tiny finch]

cuz dl is like

god tier on parsing wb

[onyx silo]

why that lol

[tribal iris]

lmb builds

[tiny finch]

don't have to worry about anything other than dps

[onyx silo]

like sin before

[tribal iris]

wb has 55% base crit

[onyx silo]

everybody put poison up

[tribal iris]

so u are having perma resets on E

[onyx silo]

lol

[still jackal]

4 on wb is perfectly fine as long as you dont get interrupted

[tribal iris]

with nothing to worry about

but lmb better. these sh itters doing same dmg while being less geared.

[onyx silo]

i dont like 4

cause getting interrupted happens to often in solo content later

imagine mao

lol

then 4 is only usable on KD or any CC

dont know if its worth then?

any tips for fast white light gear?

[tiny finch]

💳

[onyx silo]

nothing in market

[tiny finch]

then spend more and buy winterbane

[clear hamlet]

because thats the high-end whale gear, you need to +10 your purples

[tiny finch]

and upgrade to white light

[onyx silo]

is it worth to reroll stats then?

or better get crit crit purple

[clear hamlet]

you get double crit

[onyx silo]

how

[clear hamlet]

you be patient and wait

till they show up

they're literally 50-300

DGs

they're everywhere

[tribal iris]

think purple would be better since u can get near max stats after upgrades

[tiny finch]

don't invest into anything that isn't at least a minimum 1 crit stat but even if it's 1 crit stat don't invest too much into it

[onyx silo]

so purple crit crit then push until +10

then get it to white?

[clear hamlet]

yes

[tribal iris]

yea

but

[clear hamlet]

and then gold line

[onyx silo]

then +10 to golden

[clear hamlet]

:d

[tribal iris]

ductiles might be an issue for u?

[onyx silo]

idk

i have like 10 on maria

5 on berta

and 4-5 on hannah

[tribal iris]

so its issue

[clear hamlet]

I mean golden isn't even current content, its content that no one can clear (literally designed to be that way) so its not something you think about

[onyx silo]

so BT is fine with white +0?

[tribal iris]

upto bt 3 , yea

[clear hamlet]

if youre armed to the teeth with books and perfect white lights/cards

yes

[onyx silo]

oh damn i need cards

did we get the rng gamba box for cards?

[clear hamlet]

you arent meant to even attempt lusung

the BT is like, its designed to come in phases but all of them are released in one-go

we arent in raven king phase yet

[onyx silo]

its the same as BT release on live

[clear hamlet]

it "exists" as an idea

[onyx silo]

we took some weeks for clear

eventho VT was week 1 and the rest day 1 after TT lol

[clear hamlet]

its been months, not even KR cleared raven king afaik

[tribal iris]

kr did

last week

[clear hamlet]

ok, last week

😄

[onyx silo]

and i think here too?

i saw screen somewhere

[clear hamlet]

no lol

[tribal iris]

bt 3 is best

for na/eu/tw

[onyx silo]

thats boss 3

nvm

[clear hamlet]

the gear that is required to clear raven king literally does not exists

no one has it

[tribal iris]

wouldnt say no one

[onyx silo]

but its same mech with SS?

[tribal iris]

if all the whales assembled in 1 pt in na

i think they could clear

the kr clear was 37k sf avg

[onyx silo]

its also about how good u play your class and play mechs

tbh

if its same mech as old

[tribal iris]

currently there are people at 38k sf here

[onyx silo]

SF? soul fighter released??

so people play with ress? xd

[clear hamlet]

the raid got "neo-fied" as far as Ive seen from the dev letter so stuff might be different

[tribal iris]

supreme force

[onyx silo]

AH

intresting

so what i do now to reach asap BT

[tiny finch]

💳

lots of this

[onyx silo]

• orange quest
• buy 100 h hourglass
• buy gear
• spam MSP (any good rotation to run?)
• end with lvl 75
• profit

[tiny finch]

you think any of us are gonna give you our msp rotation?

[clear hamlet]

😄

[tiny finch]

it's packed enough as it is

everyone is keeping that shi to themselves

[onyx silo]

i mean isnt it separated into instances?

[tiny finch]

3

[onyx silo]

whats the problem of sharing lol

[tiny finch]

that's it

[clear hamlet]

you arent gonna find any spot unless you grief it out of people

[tiny finch]

and they're all full

[onyx silo]

ah i see

[clear hamlet]

and then you gonna get griefed out of it after 30 mins

[onyx silo]

thought its solo instance

[clear hamlet]

and cycle continues

like if we have to be

realistic

[onyx silo]

what about party exp?

if you group?

[clear hamlet]

if you came for BT, but if you're starting from stratch or far to behind

you arent gonna do BT

[clear hamlet]

terrible

[tiny finch]

you'd be better of relying on most of your xp gain being from purple/blue train and dailies

[tribal iris]

you can kinda spam yetis for quite a lot of exp since u might have bless pots from mw days

[tiny finch]

and try to get some xp from msp but don't rely on it

[clear hamlet]

like even if you hardswipe, you're still limited by the events to do any realistic progression

the resources simply doesn't exists

[tribal iris]

msp 70 isnt that much of an issue though, can always handshake off a good spot off someone

[still jackal]

You might also need cr % cardsets for bt

[onyx silo]

i have alot ye

[still jackal]

i don't want to know how lancer looks on bt without those

[tiny finch]

[tribal iris]

i can see y b suffering

should be easier now after 30 glaives

lmb truly needs all the cr sets u can get for a good life in actual contents

[clear hamlet]

what about MSP

[still jackal]

depends where you are, but you can sustain demon form, at least on north spot its easily soloed without having to go out of demon form

[clear hamlet]

soon Ill buy the purple selectors for spear

I hope Im not making a mistake by committing to spear as an MSP alt

[onyx silo]

I hope Im not making a mistake by committing to spear as an Main

xd

[still jackal]

Its fun

and strong af

[onyx silo]

is there any low level part in MSP for early levels

or all monsters same lvl

and is it same as live, we got a turtle?

and trasher?

[still jackal]

As you spawn in, the first camps after the dragon pulses are lvl 55 i think

[tiny finch]

it's just the same map

it doesn't function the same as live msp

that's pretty much the only reason why we call it msp

[onyx silo]

i wonder if we get peach farm and monastery farm later lol

i see

[clear hamlet]

you cant go wrong with spear, its a great class

but requires more crit investment compared to some other classes

it has too many crit checks

[onyx silo]

i mean i only like this classes

[tribal iris]

believe in the slasher alt

lancer is some ass

cant even go out of combact fast

[onyx silo]

sin = dead
BM = dead
FM = Ice rain only with wicked and u need ton of LEG books

[clear hamlet]

is too lateeeeee my BP is nearly complete for lancer

[onyx silo]

and lancer is fun tho

[tribal iris]

used to be able to do 4 camps near twilight, now its jst barely doing 3 and waay less smoother.

[onyx silo]

i like it being mid range

evento melee would be more enjoyable, prolly

[tribal iris]

and half the time it gets bugged by kicking me out of demon mode whiel demonics are up

[tiny finch]

technically lancer is long range

it's a ranged class wearing a melee class trenchcoat

[tribal iris]

its like reverse sf

[onyx silo]

xd

[tribal iris]

might need to melee sometimes

but mostly ranged

though rmb build needs you to play 8m

[clear hamlet]

oh the horror

[tiny finch]

[still jackal]

[onyx silo]

i just hope someday we get gunner or archer back

[tiny finch]

in like

5 yrs

at this rate

[onyx silo]

thats real range xd

[tiny finch]

[onyx silo]

in 5 yrs maybe we get astromancer

[tiny finch]

lmao astro is even later

[onyx silo]

i know xd

my last main was dual blade

[tribal iris]

can we get some skill tree on lancer 1st

my mans cant spec anything

[tiny finch]

no

[still jackal]

in 5 years we'll go back to our roots, legendary pierce coming

[tiny finch]

you'll play your 1 singular build and like it

[tribal iris]

i want some ccs

some pulls

[onyx silo]

xd

[onyx silo]

YES

leg pierce with aoe

im so in

[tiny finch]

heals the boss for 0.001% hp every crit

[onyx silo]

fr

i just get +5 for free

[still jackal]

We need more book slots asap

[onyx silo]

i remember i sold my +10 from bm for 40k

[tiny finch]

useless mystic badge btw

unless you play rmb build

[onyx silo]

so just a stat thing

[tiny finch]

yeah

[onyx silo]

feels heavenly slasher

xd

[tiny finch]

sacred tier removes the condition of needing to use V first

[tribal iris]

yea u need sacred to have a useful mystic

[onyx silo]

do we have dkv

[tiny finch]

no

[onyx silo]

or just bt

mhm

WAIT

INSIGNIA NOW ACCOUNT SHARED?!?!?!?!

[tribal iris]

y

[onyx silo]

something else thats QoL like this?

[clear hamlet]

card slots are now 20

[onyx silo]

😮

[clear hamlet]

we had discounts on everything but its been reverted and we have no idea if its intended or not :d

[tribal iris]

i saw kr fuse being 2g

definitely not intended with the revert

[clear hamlet]

need to push that further

and get it resolved

[onyx silo]

i see

[tribal iris]

yes im losing money

[onyx silo]

xd

[tribal iris]

[onyx silo]

MSP entry at house of pleasures?

[clear hamlet]

F7

you go to mushin and MSP from there

shiny buttons bottom left

[onyx silo]

lol

[tribal iris]

also somehow map teleports are cheaper from msp to anywhere

[onyx silo]

ok msp might be a bit to hard

XD

[still jackal]

Which mobs did you go to?

[onyx silo]

right tp first mobs

xd

[still jackal]

Wait you're level 50 right?

[onyx silo]

52 ye

[still jackal]

Once you enter, go past the dragon pulses and grind the mobs in front of them

Those should be easier and lower level

also what books did you end up equipping?>

[onyx silo]

just some for story

[tribal iris]

nice weapon

[onyx silo]

ty

ripped by msp

[still jackal]

how easy is it to get a purple x?

[tribal iris]

buying from market

500 dg or sth

[onyx silo]

ye they all cheap

[tribal iris]

although at lv 50

[jolly shell]

He lacks critical information

[tribal iris]

u should jst be in dungeons

also

finish ur quests

u would be 53-54

khanda vihar quests

[still jackal]

bonus exp %?

cause there's no point to msp without taht

better hit the dungeons

[onyx silo]

dont tell me i have to buy exp potions

[tribal iris]

yea

u have to get exp % on gear

[jolly shell]

We didnt have that stat when maria was playing

Time for big BIG swipe dear

[still jackal]

oh lord

[onyx silo]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-crying-cry-crying-crying-emoji-crying-meme-gif-3223392509479903783

[still jackal]

Yeah basically the green text that you can reroll on your gear can be rolled to 5% or 10% bonus combat experience

[onyx silo]

so 12x gear 6x badges

18x roll

[still jackal]

aye

[onyx silo]

https://tenor.com/view/valheim-robe-gang-robe-uninstall-uninstall-gif-21384988

[still jackal]

yup

If there's no limit on your balance

just vendor everything

could take you 1-2k powders

could take you 50k powders

[jolly shell]

These guys juggled punctures and slashers on a daily wim

Theyre gna be fine

Purple, when 98% ppl had one blue

[onyx silo]

full purple

https://tenor.com/view/flash-gif-26152613

[still jackal]

I don't know if its worth the investment to be honest

[onyx silo]

its not

[jolly shell]

Ofcourse not

[onyx silo]

and im not going to do it xd

if you tell me i can wait 1337 months to go BT

[still jackal]

just play the class a bit, can run you through stuff once home later

[jolly shell]

In general , spear is so broken ur rly don’t need sht

[onyx silo]

i prolly just play slow and cry

[jolly shell]

My 54 alt hits like 50k lmbs with one book

[onyx silo]

my lmb does 50k on dummy

[jolly shell]

Dumbass class

And more with corrosion

Purple book i mean

-.-

[onyx silo]

corr is x right

[tiny finch]

And demon Z with book

X book increases duration of corrosion

You want both

[onyx silo]

72k crits

mhm

[still jackal]

and dont forget to allocate the points in the skills

[jolly shell]

I cant 48 48 with purples

I cry

[still jackal]

like a certain dumbo

[onyx silo]

idk i should get 3 more legendary books

[jolly shell]

Kek double you

I like lmb 4 personally

Making 4 work in dungeon tho maybe not

[onyx silo]

i have this one

i have lmb already

and this 2

[still jackal]

depends on the dungeon and if you're tanking

[onyx silo]

so 4 leg overall

[still jackal]

The majority plays 2 rmb and the rest on lmb

[onyx silo]

2 leg rmb?

[still jackal]

aye for 30gm then they dump the rest on lmb

[onyx silo]

ah i see

[still jackal]

im weird i play lmb/4

[onyx silo]

well i hope idont get the other book from the 2

[jolly shell]

How do you weave rmbs as ur red?

[onyx silo]

else i have to class change 2x

[still jackal]

You can do rmb in demon form

[tiny finch]

Not every skill changes to demon version

[jolly shell]

But animation is cringe

In lmb

On

[tiny finch]

Only every 5s

To upkeep buff

[jolly shell]

Right

Yea sounds more doable now

So you stack rmb

With z and soammink rmb

Then red

[tiny finch]

Only worth doing if you can get 2 leggy rmbs tbh

[onyx silo]

OK

whats better

[tribal iris]

You jst end up stacking over time dont need to pre stack.

[onyx silo]

buy purple gear with combat roll

or with crit rolls

[jolly shell]

Crito

[tribal iris]

Combact is easier to whale.

[tiny finch]

Crit

Not even a competition

Lol

[onyx silo]

i though i can just roll also lol

[tribal iris]

Yea u will be lacking in hm ess

[tiny finch]

Hm essence and 9g per reroll

Rerolling XP is like

[tribal iris]

Combact u can spam

[tiny finch]

2g and 15 powder

[tribal iris]

Infinite resource

[clear hamlet]

if wubble saw this chat

[tiny finch]

What if I ping him rn

[clear hamlet]

He would invite you all to PvP

@tribal elbow

[tiny finch]

[clear hamlet]

Ill do it for you

combat exp SUCKS

[onyx silo]

mhm i need

[clear hamlet]

[tiny finch]

@tribal elbow

Ping you and wubble

Double whammy

[still jackal]

[tiny finch]

Just ping each person individually at once

[onyx silo]

3 HM essence = 150 gems + 9g, 10% chance
or 2g and 36 powder x 0,3g => 12,8g but 3,7% chance mhm

[quaint spire]

Wait it's not disabled. What have I done

[onyx silo]

wait

its 36 POWDER

[clear hamlet]

I almost received a warning from Ashi for pinging bigoso alot

[quaint spire]

Mods go na Thanos snap me

[tiny finch]

Byebye

[clear hamlet]

wat happened

what did I missed

[quaint spire]

Nothing

[clear hamlet]

[tiny finch]

Busted

[clear hamlet]

Ive seen your post too right above this

hahaha

[quaint spire]

I forgot mods had this power

[clear hamlet]

but no, thats a fake everyone

no one gets pinged with it

[tiny finch]

I have nothing to hide

[quaint spire]

Oh thank god

[clear hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-chains-pain-wraps-gif-2738385565912846323

[quaint spire]

I didn't alert all of china

[tiny finch]

Still think you should get banned tho

[clear hamlet]

for even thinking about it

[tiny finch]

[clear hamlet]

[tiny finch]

The thought alone is enough

[onyx silo]

SS all crit rate crit damage?

[quaint spire]

[onyx silo]

or 1x piercing 1x acc`?

[clear hamlet]

everything is

[quaint spire]

Change da world

[clear hamlet]

piercing

[quaint spire]

My final message

Goodbye

[clear hamlet]

the only variance to double crit is MAYBE having 1 accu SS and/or 1 accu accessory

[tribal iris]

2 acc accs or 1 acc ss

[merry pier]

The feels when I told you all of this yesterday

[untold urchin]

Hello guys, I'd be very thankfull if someone posted a guide to the class! Thank you!

[untold urchin]

ok thank you , sorry 😄

[still jackal]

Don't have to be sorry

[tribal elbow]

wa

[minor salmon]

tonight is the RANDOM LEGENDARY BOX X2

IN 2h . i have 100 gold to farm for it

My only hope is not 2 RB .

[drifting dock]

I did all of that before refilling to DL

Didn’t want any risks

[steep patrol]

WTS EU
pm

[minor salmon]

i will risk lol

[tribal iris]

wat risk

oh wait, u are pure gambaing?

[onyx silo]

Why pm just tag a price

[minor salmon]

anyway it's ok

[minor salmon]

Need Zulia & Jinsoyun

[still jackal]

[brave birch]

Lancer only has one mystic badge?

[tiny finch]

Yes

[brave birch]

tyty

[nocturne dagger]

don't wanna be the bearer of bad news but even tho the class is strong, its ass

your thoughts? XD

only thing i liked was the class concept

[tribal iris]

ez W , saved 450 gold

[onyx silo]

tbh

pierce BM was most enjoyable still

i feel like the full lmb build is kinda "slow" in attack speed

[nocturne dagger]

yea

[onyx silo]

the 4 lmb is to rng reliant for holding

[nocturne dagger]

i dislike the fact the class doesn't make full use of the kit

[onyx silo]

in solo boss its superior

[nocturne dagger]

and the kit kinda contradicts itself cause of the 2 focus types

[onyx silo]

but tbh what else is there to play

bm is dead if you dont play uga uga

sin is dead

fm is most versatily afaik

[nocturne dagger]

punct seems viable though still, plus with the upcoming buffs to tab

[onyx silo]

wl u go shadow

[onyx silo]

afaik diff is high beteween punc to hs/dt

[nocturne dagger]

i wish dara's site was still up :<

[onyx silo]

and what else we have
i dont enjoy lyn so no BD no SUM
DES is DES...
so basically either Lance or FM

if u dont enjoy shadow wl

or BD

[onyx silo]

its not?

sadge

[nocturne dagger]

the dps comparisons/logs yea

been down for a while afaik

[tribal iris]

puncture gets so much better when u get the new tier skill on bm

since only puncture gets to have +30% crit for that skill

but yea lancer is sooo slow with everything compared to how you play with BM

going from HS BM to lmb holding lancer is such a downgrade of gameplay

if it wasnt for 4 build, i would never play lancer

[onyx silo]

you mean tab?

[tribal iris]

nop

celestial thunder

[onyx silo]

whats that

[onyx silo]

FIXED CHANCE

whats the chance

they dont like pierce

[tribal iris]

well the chance is kinda irrelevent now

since when we get it next patch, it will get nerfed to 10 sec cd.

every puncture adds 1 orb

5 orbs casts the skill

so pretty much every build will cast this skill every 10sec

but puncture has the strongest one.

also technically fixes msp for puncture if u get this

since its 4x16

[onyx silo]

10 sec cd

on orb charge

or on skill

so its 10 sec per orb = 50 sec for 1 cast

[tribal iris]

no 10 sec is skill cd

u get orb per puncture

after collectinng 5 orbs, u release this skill.

on release the skill had no cd, so Slasher could use this skill every 1.7 sec.

[onyx silo]

intresting

but still, how should it compete with others

its working on slasher

so slasher is faster

its same chance for puncture as for slasher when i look on desc

so why should puncture be the strongest

eventho its fixed 10 sec CD

[tribal iris]

cause slasher doesnt give that skill +30% crit rate

[onyx silo]

how u come to 30

also why should crate be relevant?

isnt stat that high we got like 50+? and with cards over 80?

[tribal iris]

no

on black tower , u have 30% crit rate base

[tribal iris]

35%-38% with onrush and mantras

[onyx silo]

10% crit rate if i see

[tribal iris]

cards are like + 15%

[onyx silo]

same on slasher no?

if u dont hold

xd

[tribal iris]

slasher is only worth holding

u dont play slasher any other way.

[onyx silo]

true

[tribal iris]

tab is + 10% crit,

cyclone + 10%

puncture + 10%

[onyx silo]

but i dont know if thats worth tbh

how much puncture u do in 10 seconds

i dont remember

25 smth i think

[tribal iris]

20

[onyx silo]

so this procc is same as 12 puncture hits

around

without calcing tab and lmb

actually less

13,5 vs 82

so 6 hits, also we have badges that boost this overall dmg compared to no boost on this procc

so prolly around 5 hits maybe even less

thats like max 25% of overall dmg

[tribal iris]

the gm increases it to 222

puncture is 9.55 with badge?

[onyx silo]

wait u can book it?

[tribal iris]

yes

u need gm 48 on it to really pop off

191/10 sec of puncture that skill does 222/10sec

and splitting the gm points gets you even more mileage since gm points start giving less % as it goes up in value.

basically it will be like having storm cleave on BM

[onyx silo]

i mean
puncture - 6,5 + GM 48 => 11,232 + 95% AP procc (currently max like 3,3k? = 3k dmg hit, irrelevant)
Cyclone - 2,8 + GM 48 => 4,8384
Tab - 4,7

20,7740

vs

141,7 AP / 20 = 7,085 AP + 6800% AP hit (227k hit? / 20 = 11k/sec)

if im not mistaken

so might be around 30% of your dmg

then prolly still HS > punc

but guess its a testing ground until we have it

[tribal iris]

yes we would have to calc for crit rate diff, since HS/DT has higher AP/s but crit rate makes a huge difference and the diminishing gm points returns would also make a difference.

[nocturne dagger]

https://giphy.com/gifs/math-class-2emJVDRMOZ6Ja

[minor salmon]

Crit % (from card) or Flat Crit ? Idk what is the best

[onyx silo]

%

[minor salmon]

i just finished Four Guardian yesterday + i hesitate put too set Jinsoyun + Master Hong(i dont have jinsoyun yet) but master hong lv 1 is 3% crit . make me actually 8 % crit with four guardian . that why miss me Zulia or/and Jinsoyun

[onyx silo]

where u got this nice cards 😄

cant tell you whats perfect cause im returner

@tribal iris should know

[minor salmon]

im returner too

[onyx silo]

how u got that cards so fast tho

[minor salmon]

i return last patch mid

[onyx silo]

ah

[minor salmon]

Hajoon Scambox + VIrtous event

i have a lot of dg before leaving

for virtous event i farm on msp 1100 gold (for the 10 box) and fuse Sovereign card

now i m broke but anyway i m good

30minute msp is 20 - 30 gold ~~ depends your luck and fast clear

[tribal iris]

ya % for sure

im really curious, why do people prefer getting four guardians?

[minor salmon]

i dont care realy , it's just i finished first i dont finish other

[tribal iris]

cause other one with hong also has crit dmg

[minor salmon]

yeah it's mortal enemies

[tribal iris]

not mortal

the other 4 piece hong set

[minor salmon]

other ?

[tribal iris]

yea

[tiny finch]

unwavering conviction is flat cdmg

[tribal iris]

yes it has flat cdmg and crit rate 5%

[minor salmon]

no only flat

isnt ?

like Rahu set card

[tribal iris]

no

[minor salmon]

i will connecte before go work

[tribal iris]

what do you mean by flat

there is 2 hong sets

which both give cr %

[tribal iris]

but one gives crit dmg and crit rate

[minor salmon]

oh this ?

[tribal iris]

while other one gives 2 garbo stat

[minor salmon]

before

[tribal iris]

• crit rate

[minor salmon]

having Dojoon or Sky is too hard haha

[minor salmon]

i never seen the Dojon

[minor salmon]

That why i take four guardian for 300 gold

[tribal iris]

i have infinite of that grandpa

both are 300 gold to

[minor salmon]

yeah

i dont have both epic card

even with 3 BP Finished

after i m awaiting so much to get zulia

[tribal iris]

dont complain

u alr have 2 good cards

[minor salmon]

i never complain

[tribal iris]

im still on 0

[minor salmon]

the other one is maybe better but i will never found Dark Commander RaveN kING + Zulia

[tribal iris]

imo i would jst get the other one with 15% crit dmg and lifesteal

crit dmg is insane for 4 build

since we are critting 90% on it.

[minor salmon]

yeah i m 4 build atm

[tribal iris]

if u get zulia, can use on hidden appearence

[minor salmon]

il see later but dont give gold

[tribal iris]

why care so much about gold

300 gold is jst 3 hr msp

[minor salmon]

^^

im come back players evolve gear is too much gold management for me

already 3 divine piece

[tribal iris]

getting better card set is more important

than getting 300 gold

[minor salmon]

yeah

[tribal iris]

returning player has 3 mythical cards

such is life

[minor salmon]

i dont know the difference betwin mythical and normal

but i see your point i will maybe take the mystery of dawncrest set for 1245life drain and 15% CDamage rate

[tribal iris]

mythical are the ones that need 5 leggy to fuse

hong/zulia/rahu/jinso

[minor salmon]

oh long time to get zulia or jinso i see

[tribal iris]

should save yunma khan if you get him

next patch he gets a 3% cr set with the new dog.

[young vector]

More options for crit% is always good

[thick berry]

someone can link me a build plz

[tiny finch]

[thick berry]

ty lolz

[thick berry]

once again... which build is best to focus... lbm or 4 spam

lmb*

[tiny finch]

almost like

i have a slide

saying which build i reccomend to go

[clear hamlet]

🛝

[still jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/nogi-sonoko-spear-charging-flower-petals-attack-gif-20275158

I love that button

[thick berry]

also i know pvp is dead but how good is lance on pvp (rat sin here) lmao

[minor salmon]

Guck

Il already use my 2 Yuma khan

[pallid gulch]

I mean if it looked like that I would insta switch

[pallid gulch]

was you top of wb ranking last night?

[still jackal]

no, i've not logged in the the game for the past 3 days or so

[pallid gulch]

ahh

[still jackal]

been playing nightreign with some friends

[pallid gulch]

I straight up slept through it and missed the raid after also 😄 rip, atleast it wasnt thunderstrike

[still jackal]

worth it

usually i don't even leave my msp spot if it's not thunderstrike

[pallid gulch]

Valid

[drifting dock]

was lean

[still jackal]

my last wb was a meganura i think

[pallid gulch]

ty

[pallid gulch]

you move from your spot for 5 seconds in msp and some mofo comes over claiming they was there for hours 😄

[still jackal]

Yup sums it up perfectly

There's more drama in msp than on netflix asian tv shows

(no offense, i enjoy some of those)

[pallid gulch]

I mean there is no argument to be had vs a lancer, after 2 spawns they soon find another spot lol

[still jackal]

or if you want you can just force it back to your control

[pallid gulch]

yea thats what I do

they start luring a bunch and i just nuke em down before they finish haha

[still jackal]

I remember i went in at some point on north and there was a person standing afk, i did one swoop then he dmed me, man had to hit the head so i respected it and left

[pallid gulch]

which head was he hitting?

and why during msp time

[still jackal]

must have been a random proc

you know, the unavoidable ones

do or die situation

[pallid gulch]

ah yes

the danger ones

speedrun

[still jackal]

[pallid gulch]

get it done before you die from respawn 😄

[night sphinx]

guys does this apply to mech damage?

[tribal elbow]

good question

boss 3 bt lasers?

i assume

[tribal iris]

i dont think so, lasers are static % dmg

[minor salmon]

Happen me yesterday
For MSP . I get the big spot . When i kill the tree sorcerer pack lv 60 . Someone kill le the big 5 or 6 big monster top right of the map

And say he was here 2 hours . Lol

That why i do MSP before go work at 6:30 am

[onyx silo]

and i still die on msp first mobs XD

[tribal iris]

[minor salmon]

OR They kill one mob per one mob (see 2 - 3 lv 55)

[drifting dock]

I had people come try to steal camps when I still farmed 60

but they give up when you just do 2 lmb and the camp disappears

especially on 60 mobs lancer is dumb strong

only downside is lack of drain on 70 mobs, cuz slow hits

[tribal iris]

ya itsso funny when you see people try to steal camp against lancers

[polar elm]

if u round up the fat mobs and keep moving while lmb'ing, ull barely take any dmg

Keep just enough range to not trigger their jump attack

I barely use any pots while doing lvl 70

[drifting dock]

I farm a random side spot mainly

best spots are taken 24/7

[mystic herald]

not just 70 mobs, lack of drian/hits per second period

[drifting dock]

The conversation was about msp farming

Idk what else you’d struggle with in regards to drain or hits per second in msp other than lvl 70 mobs

[quaint spire]

Never had to pot on LVL 60 mobs

LVL 70s tho I not strong enough to just drive by and snipe em so I'm doing some stacking and I have to chug pots

[peak burrow]

is there any build guide link for this new classes?

[hallow nest]

https://klipy.com/gifs/check-the-pins-kowalski-1

[nocturne dagger]

30 mins msp, no big spawns, that's pretty ass right 😂

[latent relic]

why every time i left click it kicks moobs up?? how do i lock it

[tribal iris]

disable slip kick

[jagged ether]

is this the better slasher class

[clear hamlet]

this is the poker class

[fading bolt]

Soo, right now do i guys think the master build should be 30 rmb and rest lmb?

[tribal iris]

for pure lmb build, yea

if u expect do any high lvl content

u absolutely need 30 rmb

[lean ermine]

lowk hate rmb

tried it for 2 days and then went back to just 2 more LMB books lol

parse on dummy.

Bibong parse is around 330-50k given I dont get cc'ed

[drifting dock]

what's your rate on bibong

[night sphinx]

i agree rmb is bait skill

[lean ermine]

around 54%

But im also 16k crit rate with multiple 5% cardsets

[drifting dock]

yeah should be fine at 54%

without rmb

a bit clunky still

but more dps without it

good Z crit rng would already have you stay in demonic full time

and drops would be small cd ones

rmb is basically a replacement for the rate you get from cards, for people that are missing them

so if you got the card sets, you're good

[quaint spire]

Yeah in my case im stuck with two rmb books

Id have to do a double class change in the future if my crit gets better

[fading bolt]

anyone have a video of rotation with LB RB build?

[quaint spire]

Rotation?

You just RMB every 4 seconds, else its basically same as LMB only

Or LMB 4 for that matter

[quaint spire]

Check my discrepancy in badges kekw

Just 1 tapped my sacred +10

Waiting for alts on bp to make mystic sacred

[limber ore]

4 just overkill if yu eneof ap lmw better for mobs

[fading bolt]

im gettint out of focus with 30gm in rmb

maybe i need to go for 48?

[lean ermine]

You can supplement it by getting the Mantra effect

to recover Focus on hit

[pallid gulch]

lost alot of dps with agro :S

[night sphinx]

bad ping

[vast tangle]

Guys !

I see this chan 1 today, why 28 sec on erosion ?

[lean ermine]

"4" skill extends corrosion by 5 seconds per hit

[pallid gulch]

because multiple lancers are stacking same time

[vast tangle]

Alright !

[lean ermine]

your "4" skill also can double tap if it crits when GM48

so its prob 2 or 3 lancers with 48 GM on 4 hitting the boss

[vast tangle]

SO yeah.. + 5 +5 +5 +5 :p

Also, @pallid gulch you're using RMB with your cards ?

[pallid gulch]

not on wb but for fister and doggo yeah

[limber vessel]

Can anyone look at my char and tell me how i can get to 27k SF. Nepis on EU

[tribal iris]

lvl is like 300, that missing skill is another 120?
having xp rolls on main badge is like 300-400 sf loss.
rest have to come from your card sets and soul shields.

[lean ermine]

I cant see your char since im NA but some good things to boost your SF are:

Mantra upgrades
Finishing Exploration
Fusing into leg SS
Double line Pysches on all gear
Primers on all SS

[patent siren]

sorry if these questions are stupid but how does the martial tome work and what points do i put the skills into?

[tribal elbow]

I cant decipher this question

Do you mean K

Menu

And putting skill points

In your main skills

That you dmg with

If that's not it you mean the books and book stacking for Grandmaster stacks

Either way check yast

And experiment

And check pins for guide

I think lancer chat has it

Yea bunny-sama

[patent siren]

sorry about that yea i meant the K menu

[tribal elbow]

Level up get all your skill points

And put your main skills to level 10

I'm not a lancer btw dont ask me

Just the ghost of bns neo discord

And I'm off to bed bye

[polar elm]

main reason im not going with the 2 rng books chest kek

Id shoot myself if I get an RMB

[minor salmon]

i get one , at least is leg page for next event next month

[quaint spire]

Yeah I don't like RMB either but since my gears not top notch I need it for anything LVL 70 or above

I just hope I can convert them in the future

Maybe if we get another class change in the future

I assume I could double class change then convert

[night sphinx]

i hope the new legendary book will be slash with crit rate buff on gm

[tribal iris]

gonna be leggy dread bind

50% crit dmg 10 sec grab

but i bet they are gonna put something some garbo skill like azure dragon formation

[night sphinx]

hell ye

[valid tree]

anyone wants to sell 1 or 2 leg piercing dragon in na ?

[tribal iris]

we dont talk NA here

[valid tree]

EU took over in here i see

[quaint spire]

Well this is akward

[dusk flame]

Anyone know how to resist during 4 skill? In description say "While piercing".... but how?

[tribal iris]

when u poke

u resist

useful when u see stuff like yeti is about to jump

u can hold that 4 a bit longer so poke goes during his landing

[dusk flame]

Poke? What is it mean? Sry

[tribal iris]

the stab animation

[dusk flame]

Durting charge? I didnt resist during charge 4

[tribal iris]

not charge

the stab

[dusk flame]

U mean tab skill?

Or wich one?

I dont understand when "stab" is active

[tribal iris]

google it

thrust / poke/ stab

[quaint spire]

The animation after you release the button