each attempt is 8 leg pages and the chances are low
#Summoner
zinc vault
lament skiff
its 5%
You either get a gold box or this lol
still running hive swarm, interesting
solid kestrel
i'd argue daybreak is better than hive
lament skiff
Hive has better uptime
solid kestrel
but less regen
lament skiff
And the extra photo stax is useless now
solid kestrel
though you only really need like 4 focus regen to be fine (for sun, idk about speed hammer sun)
lament skiff
I wonder if they opted for damage or focus on weapon
proud field
I'd argue focus would be more useful.
outer hamlet
blud does not nee focus recovery
they are honey maxing, intresting
and the hive is probably flex for a stunt or the shroud
or they have an other accessory
proud field
wtb shadowstones
Every day after 9PM you have your chance.
solid kestrel
someone on na pls sell me a true timestream 
dusty yarrow
outer hamlet
summ suxx
solar phoenix
EU trade for besties or sunflower
lament skiff
Unrelated, where does one acquire a buttload of ascent stones?
solid kestrel
i probably got most of mine from thousands of these
lament skiff
Need 360 for the ss
lament skiff
one can hope
polar basin
i probably got most of mine from thousands of these
This is the way
timid wadi
i swapped my q for tumble roll and now my cat keeps dying 
what do i do
zinc vault
open a bug ticket saying cat is too squishy have all of us upvote it and when they say it's intended reopen it and repeat it until they increase the cat's defense by default
and cry in a corner when it doesnt work out
lament skiff
Didnt this work on live?
zinc vault
crying?
lament skiff
Complaining about the cat's survivability
zinc vault
it kinda worked
tbf i dont mind being a prick and just spamming them about this
oh that actually went through huh
being forced into using cheer up 18gm stacks or having a dead cat doesnt sound that great
lament skiff
Yunsang still being cheap af and randomly chaining grabs
lament skiff
e cd so long 😭
a touch of realism maybe, cats are just bad at listening to commands
proud field
That's why I'm a dog person.
lament skiff
My cat wishes
slow jasper
proud field
My cat wishes
To have a bigger hammer.
quartz dune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153501001584738304/1474832910031917188/C...
- w *
lament skiff
Are the bomb barrels during the Wu Fu fight in fantastic beasts bypassing Q's 90% reduction?
outer hamlet
i think it cancels Q like yeti jumps and other things that should not
proud field
Doesn't leg besties or leg cheer up keeps the cat alive?
(I don't have either leg, but I just assumed)
lament skiff
Not for me
solid kestrel
tumble roll the barrels
lament skiff
It's probably a bug...
solid kestrel
record it next time and write yet another sum bug report
outer hamlet
was also thinking to make a report about the fist buff not geting aplied on everybody when mech is complited because i think the cat steals one
outer hamlet
GZ
lament skiff
I thought that was proximity to boss
dusty yarrow
outer hamlet
what's up with tumble roll
dusty yarrow
what's up with tumble roll
What do you mean?
outer hamlet
let the cat pray
dusty yarrow
for cat build is useless
dusty yarrow
how much dps did you do here?
It depends on the time
because the bosses keep jumping / enter-leaving soul separation
but 100k and last fase 200k
slow jasper
slow jasper
I dont really know much mech at the 2nd boss. So at first there were 6 people in soul? then when CC boss, 3 people went out and 3 random people outside got pulled in soul?
dusty yarrow
not random
This boss operates on the basis of proximity
kd = leave SS
daze/stun = skip heal mech
and the other group that is outside of the SS is almost the same
kd = skip heal mech and make boss jump / pull the tank
daze/stun = save the tank of grab
those who get into or out of the SS are always those who are closest
hard hamlet
meow :3
lament skiff
slow jasper
solid kestrel
outer hamlet
polar basin
slow jasper
zinc vault
btw emraell, are you gonna go for the spec leg skill?
the one from the 8 leg pages, no idea what it's called
or anyone here tbf
proud field
What exactly does it do?
zinc vault
you collect some stacks by dps-ing then proc it for a lot of dmg
proud field
And it replaces a already existing skill?
zinc vault
5% to get it
proud field
Uff, so even worser.
outer hamlet
it's the best on summ because it's the same scaling on every class and our AP/s suxx
lament skiff
The I hate money, so I will burn it in a shrine for NCSoft?
solid kestrel
i'll probably try one transmute and cry
lament skiff
yellow book bloat D=
snow valley
5% to get it
I think there was one guy from KR that failed over 50 tries.
Found it
#💬︱neo-chat message
solid kestrel
tried twice and lost 
dusty yarrow
dusty yarrow
holy the yunsang loot is getting good
lucky
lament skiff
A fragment a day keeps the badges a-okay
zinc vault
hmmm
if i keep Tom out just the random attacks and only get hit by the random aoes, feels a bit tankier to me
started running with no def buff gonna try it a bit more i guess
maiden flint
im using it again cuz i have focus issues, wasnt using hive swarm either
but cat pin is gone, fk that thing
lament skiff
I removed pin but it is handy for focus
zinc vault
time to befriend a lancer
maiden flint
most cc windows are KD, and they had the great idea of making bosses counter that state and get up quickly
slow jasper
do your cats feel tankier after the patch
nuh uh, still quishy
maiden flint
so my cat pin works 2/10 times
outer hamlet
barakal goes easy on the cat compared to ist and bibong
lament skiff
lol
solid kestrel
not bad owo
lament skiff
except that baby is blue instead of poiple
outer hamlet
bibong yellow small 360 throw the cat across the map
lament skiff
T_T yunsang is v rng
solid kestrel
330k speaks in whale
it's not worth it
just enjoy f2p cute cat life 
it's better than being addicted to gambling
applying 50% def down is a lot of party dps
even better if you are beeeeeees and apply bleed + 40% def
slow jasper
potiion only for cat
using Z too fast and the cat werent even healing
#1464669730714554523 message
😭 so now it not only GM but also healing effect
proud field
using Z too fast and the cat werent even healing
How can it be used to fast?
Not right after the cd ends?
lament skiff
cancelled animation?
Sometimes I can shorten Drain's animation
Wish I knew how...
slow jasper
How can it be used to fast?
like in this video, canceling the animation with LB
proud field
I'm not sure I see what you mean. All I see is the cd ending and you pressing it again.
slow jasper
I'm not sure I see what you mean. All I see is the cd ending and you pressing it...
yeah and the cat's HP bar wasnt +10% as it should have to'
proud field
I think I noticed it. However I'm not sure if my cat has that issue. But then again in Bibong from so much dmg, she does dies once every few runs and even in Fist she can die. So I'd assume even though I press z on CD, she's not getting healed every time.
maiden flint
190k, ping bad
maiden flint
Also 36 def down?
replacing purple hammers, but dont have another flower so one book is chilling
lament skiff
ah mmkay
solid kestrel
slow jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7reNZMtAWzU
<:5064catblush:870332232273920111>
😭 nah, cat dont judge
cat together strong
bleak wadi
super good work
broken arrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7reNZMtAWzU
<:5064catblush:870332232273920111>
so huge omg
vagrant roost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7reNZMtAWzU
<:5064catblush:870332232273920111>
gratz on the kill my queen
gilded sierra
WTS NA, pm offer
slow jasper
41.5k SF and purple aura is insane. Swiping is his gameplay content then running dungeon and farming
gilded sierra
WTS NA
lament skiff
You guys have so many secret skill users
solid kestrel
slow jasper
dusty yarrow
GL
slow jasper
honestly the cat aint dying like bibong or grand fist
I made a video of that run but it doesnt have any sound for some reason
will make another tmr
slow jasper
the loot of the new dungeon isnt that good also
the only thing good in group loot in our recent 5 runs
solid kestrel
psyche drops are too rare 
outer hamlet
2x more than fist and bibong
20% and then it's only a 1/4 for the roll
for 700 dg is giga stonks considering nobody cares about summ dps i am divine gems maxing and supreme force smaching rn
radiant juniper
Hello guys summoner alt (48gm purple) got a leggy hornets nest. Can someone tell me what skills are needed in general, I probably won't switch from sunflower just curious what would be needed for dungeons and msp farm. Its nit worth salvage for 1 page I know at some point we getting an npc to reroll skills or something
Thanks in advance
dusty yarrow
Hello guys summoner alt (48gm purple) got a leggy hornets nest. Can someone tell...
for msp is more complicated
u'll need other acc with Petal Storm Toss, Doom 'n' Gloom and Crouching Tiger: War Cry
you'll switch the skills from Q, 3, and Pin
Summarizing the gameplay in general:
- def down full time ( for single target )
- the longer honey remains active, more damage u causes
dusty yarrow
maybe u can test Venomous Chain vs Doom n Gloom or War Cry for MSP
I didn't get to test it after the buffs
radiant juniper
I suppose biggest problem is getting the books, summoner market is dead and when a book does show up way overpriced
proud field
Tell me you're not smart without telling me you're not smart.
radiant juniper
Lmao
timid wadi
barakal goes easy on the cat compared to ist and bibong
why does bibong hate cats so much
my cats also always dead in chuanka LMFAOOO
solid kestrel
lament skiff
why does bibong hate cats so much
Cats and dogs rarely get along well
proud field
my cats also always dead in chuanka LMFAOOO
She shouldn't die in Chuanka, unless you can't see the aoes somehow.
timid wadi
She shouldn't die in Chuanka, unless you can't see the aoes somehow.
yah i summon her back and she immediately runs back to die
unless i afk that entire phase
i guess
gleaming cliff
trying 3 run duo asura with my friend, 2 run without def down, 1 run with def down
somehow my friend get 30k+ dps increase but mine still the same, is it only increasing party member?
proud field
Priority goes on the higher def down, 50 > 40.
I just read it again, def down is on the boss, if you attack it, you also get extra damage increase.
proud field
yah i summon her back and she immediately runs back to die
Like Nia said, you first go close to the boss, he does those aoes 3 times, THEN you start attacking.
(of course during the purple aoes, you just move around)
timid wadi
can't deal damage to the boss anway until 3 waves are over
o wtf hehe
did not notice that
timid wadi
trying 3 run duo asura with my friend, 2 run without def down, 1 run with def do...
def down is dps loss for summoner 
lament skiff
Sum have high piercing > _ >
proud field
def down is dps loss for summoner <:bns_bursting:1198525065281671249> <:bns_phew...
Used to be, not anymore.
solid kestrel
it's a dps increase in higher dungeons but sums have a lot of piercing as emraell said, so we don't notice it as much
snow valley
trying 3 run duo asura with my friend, 2 run without def down, 1 run with def do...
If you have too high level/piercing for asura you won't benefit much from def down.
gleaming cliff
ty all for the answer
but darn, too bad then
should i use hamer speed for increasing my personal damage or more sunflower?
lament skiff
lol pure sunflower is not it
You could try using vine whip
The double daze is nice
but sunhammer is okay too
solid kestrel
do you plan on forever running "low level" dungeons?
if no then you should stick to def down too, it's useful for the party
for me personally it's, as soon as i can get my hands on leg sun and gm48 it's time for def down
and the reason for that is simple: i'm lazy, focus management with purple sun is too hard to also def down 
gleaming cliff
You could try using vine whip
sunhammer then
gleaming cliff
for me personally it's, as soon as i can get my hands on leg sun and gm48 it's t...
im gonna put my def down on other gear ( already did )
need something to boost my damage incase of mona or wanna do some solo run
solid kestrel
lament skiff
Hmm be the farthest player from the boss
Boss will give you the stink eye during the add phase
Boss will perform a beam mechanic, where she will stay in one spot (center of the map,and spin in the shortest path towards the marked player
As bait, your job is to walk around the arena and petrify all her kin
in the first 2 phases, the spawn pattern is fixed: adds spawn at 12, 2, 4 o'clock positions, then the rest in the next half of the mechanic
In the last phase, the spawn pattern is random, 2 will spawn somewhere, then another 2 - at this point you can figure out which direction you should've run in
better waddle like your summoner life depends on it
maiden flint
i have an issue, baiting laser at 6
if tank rotates boss and the big cone aims down im cooked
need to SS through boss for safety and i lose mark :D
or learn the exact timing to SS into cone with 200ms, but that'll take a bit
lament skiff
Does the tank not move so they're opposite you?
That would put the safe spot right on you
solemn oar
Its useful to have tumble roll specced for these situations. People dont always play perfectly. As smn tumble can generally correct most mistakes.
Tumble is an insanely strong skill that can generally be used to get uptime on honey, but when needed can just be iframe.
Spec it, and get in the habit of qing into aoes.
bleak wadi
ada so wise
bleak wadi
yea to trigger honey buff
solemn oar
Tumble is good because you want to get hit
solemn oar
If you have tumble specced. You tumble into aoe off cd
Unless you need it for something else
6s honey is big
unless you're playing rumble, honey is relevant, and very important to manage
tumble roll is a fun utilty skill that can be used in so many different ways, whether its for offencive/defensive/utility purposes
smns not using tumble are trolling
solemn oar
hornet and rumble are the future of smn
lament skiff
Have not seen a rumble def sum yet
solemn oar
wym every rumble is a def summ
lament skiff
Are they?
solemn oar
only hornet and sf can get 50
lament skiff
Why is that
People play suboptimal builds regardless
I'm still sunflower, after all
solemn oar
as rumble you have too much excess focus
you end up needing to use it on speed hammer
sf speed hammer exists but it its a silly build
lament skiff
lol depends
solemn oar
any smn not commiting to def shred is just inting
at that point play a different class
proud field
Sunflower plus speed hammer is not inting Anything. We get pretty good DPS and help the party/boss have 40 def reduction. You either are just trolling or have not played it properly.
solemn oar
its good for wb, and any actual relevant content you could be running 50 shred instead, which is massively better
this isnt a matter of opinion
proud field
10 def red won't make any difference when it's a DPS loss for the summoner.
solemn oar
its good for wb, and any actual relevant content you could be running 50 shred i...
Keyword relevant. Queens down dps doesnt matter. Fist/bibong barely matters
10% shred on your party in mines vs your own dps buff is what i want the logs on
proud field
Haven't done mines yet, but just like anything else it will work.
If it comes down to what is actually better, I can think of other ways to boost DPS and party DMG, but I can not change specs/items willy nilly.
solemn oar
Clear mines and dm me dps logs
slow jasper
is anyone doing more than 200k in mine?
lament skiff
Do your whales not do that much?
slow jasper
Idk, not like Im often DM people and asking if they did over 200k in mines 😭
but I do know some sum around 30k 31k did like 140k 150k only
solid kestrel
250-300k for me but don't ask me how much i've spent on this game...
solid kestrel
sunflower is a dead spec
sun is better at high latency 
if i were to switch to bees or hornet i'd lose dps
solid kestrel
_Into_ aoes?
tumble roll gives you iframe 2x too (on cast and after the roll) literally best skill on sum
slow jasper
250-300k for me but don't ask me how much i've spent on this game...
😭 what a whale
outer hamlet
gib back E imframe
outer hamlet
i m sad to inform you that the new tower is a dps check
gg for summoner
317k without regen on a lv78
proud field
Infinity tower?
outer hamlet
kinda but more pve
lament skiff
My whole life is a dps check
outer hamlet
last
solid kestrel
they really hate summoners 
at least give us same dps as other classes if we spec fully into dps
slow jasper
WL and KFM 27k dealing 200k+ in mines
so op
my friend's kfm is all in in piercing stat, with only 10k crit rate lv77, he is doing 90% critical hit on cyclone kick in mines
lament skiff
dusty yarrow
There's not much of a secret
dusty yarrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP0iRYJexi0
whale
slow jasper
yes, somehow I couldnt resist the love for solidarity
But I might consider change it
dusty yarrow
but daybreak give resist too
slow jasper
only 1s, wish if it gives like 3 times in 3 secs
ah
Minagen - 313791.31/s
NgHoanVu - 229011.94/s
Sou - 221144.73/s
Sirikakire - 101270.43/s
just gotta put some random number here, mod pls dont pay attention to it
dusty yarrow
```
Minagen - 313791.31/s
NgHoanVu - 229011.94/s
Sou - 221144.73...
not bad
dusty yarrow
only 1s, wish if it gives like 3 times in 3 secs
That's why we use roll
dash + resist
dusty yarrow
But in the video you played it perfectly
only the others who got lost sometimes
looking for the line
@solemn oar
slow jasper
Thanks, yeah the Lancer was like his 2nd or 3rd run
solemn oar
<@171467952615325696>
im so prettyyyyy 
outer hamlet
yoo KR summoner have the 36s cd of shroud displayed now
maby they fixed the F roll thing too
dusty yarrow
yoo KR summoner have the 36s cd of shroud displayed now
maby they fixed the F r...
Is there a video?
proud field
And the SS and then 44 after works?
outer hamlet
ss 44 always works
F +44 also works
1:02
now need 2 month for the fix to hit global
did it only get fixed now because of the bug report in here
for it beeing in the game for 1+year i though it was intended but maby kr nevered complained about it
now i wonder if E not giving an iframe is also a bug
dusty yarrow
I discovered that this only happened to us lol
proud field
ss 44 always works
You mean like right now?
Cause I could swear if I ss then try to use 44, the party stealth doesn't work.
proud field
now i wonder if E not giving an iframe is also a bug
If this comes with an iframe, we are closer to perfection.
proud field
Cause I could swear if I ss then try to use 44, the party stealth doesn't work.
Or maybe that was while you F backwards then 44 won't work.
outer hamlet
Cause I could swear if I ss then try to use 44, the party stealth doesn't work.
Mine do
outer hamlet
Or maybe that was while you F backwards then 44 won't work.
Yeah this
outer hamlet
If this comes with an iframe, we are closer to perfection.
It did in live bns
proud field
Then I mixed them in my head.
proud field
It did in live bns
Yeah, but there we had perfection, while here we have to equip a book and it might mess us up.
proud field
new 4 ( group ) visual
I don't have to count in my head anymore.
proud field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZcnx3Z5Cf4
How does this player have above 119 fps shown. I wanna uncap my fps. Also, damn 3 ms. 
outer hamlet
How does this player have above 119 fps shown. I wanna uncap my fps. Also, damn ...
🤫
proud field
60fps 83ms here
That's just awful.
slow jasper
😭
slow jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP0iRYJexi0
I just noticed that
I was using Z too fast at 0:59
and my cat's HP remained the same, didnt heal at all
proud field
Ah yes, we have to delay the z cat heal?
Cause I noticed my cat doesn't get healed, sometimes.
proud field
But delaying means less DPS on speed hammers.
slow jasper
Also about the bug that cat randomly goes invi . There is one time that I was doing wb and my cat randomly went invi for some reason
I was dpsing and while running around to avoid wb's attacks. I accidentally clicked LMB on somebody death's body and my cat went to squeeze its butt to resurrect. But the thing is I didnt notice it doing that until I finished wb, since I had hidden everybody and my cat was unseeable
proud field
But you can see the hammer not working. So technically you just did not pay attention to your skill interface.
slow jasper
Idk. At that time the wb was jumping toward different aggro holders so I was thinking my cat just simply get CC or got air for very long
proud field
What I'm saying is that the hammer goes grey if the cat wants to resurrect someone.
If she is cc'd, you can still use it it just won't work cause she's spinning after a cc.
lament skiff
I thought that was why some ppl said lock the spin to win on the cat
proud field
Won't that still make the cat stand there and not use anything?
Truth be told I have not tried that.
I only locked doom/whack/sunburst/uppercut.
outer hamlet
yes it does nothing and stand there but it's also not animation locked so you can imediatly use the cat after it gets KDed
it was just feeling as a cat KD extender
proud field
yes it does nothing and stand there but it's also not animation locked so you ca...
But if it does nothing it's still locked in the spinning (get up from cc) animation. So that would mean no skill can be used, in this case a kd.
Either way I'll try to test it when I get home, locking the spin, and if we can use the kd right after, it's definitely a plus.
onyx relic
guys what does honey do?
slow jasper
guys what does honey do?
using super sunflower in honey extends overflow time. And also increase hornet nest dmg during honey
onyx relic
using super sunflower in honey extends overflow time. And also increase hornet ...
Thank you!
dusty yarrow
using super sunflower in honey extends overflow time. And also increase hornet ...
and bee?
hard hamlet
outer hamlet
i need help, send DG
lament skiff
I'm just a poor sum, send shadowstones
outer hamlet
u go true TS or it's for mushin sc ?
lament skiff
focus regen weapon would be nice
outer hamlet
with focus regen you can yeet your besties for more SF lool
lament skiff
Correct!
outer hamlet
KR seems to be playing the new drain tho
lament skiff
But people are struggling with fist so probably one of the other regen skills
lol no reason not to get a yellow drain
It eats 1 spot on your skills regardless
lament skiff
it'll have to be daybreak or hive swarm
outer hamlet
once i get some cr sets i can replace croutching that would be great
dusty yarrow
I dont think rumble needs any more help doing damage
I can think of two things
- To improve the 30gm, to be any critic
- The hammer reset can occur on any hit, not just the one with the designate
And if the hammer wasn't so dependent on ping, that would help a lot too
outer hamlet
ok
when in honey rumble bee can be cast x1 more time
outer hamlet
just like 11% of SF dmg is a nightmare to trigger you get a clunky class now too
there's no space in sf build too we are just forced to use sub optimal books
dusty yarrow
With each passing day, I see fewer and fewer people using the honey books at SF
dusty yarrow
there's no space in sf build too we are just forced to use sub optimal books
not really
sf need 3 sf + 2 hammer + 1 besties
hornet need 3 + 3 hammer + 1 besties
bee need 3 + 3 hammer + 3 cheer up
outer hamlet
nah make cat more tanky and delet 2 cheer up
outer hamlet
maby devs listen to kr ppl and we finaly get a sum buff since SF gm
dusty yarrow
Actually, the best thing to do is to be able to change the build at any time
sf for aoe farm
hornet for single target
bee if need bleed
outer hamlet
maby with a new book system it wont be a pain to switch aymore
dusty yarrow
I imagine we will need to consume the books
continuing to be difficult to change build
outer hamlet
pls no
dusty yarrow
I hope I'm wrong.
outer hamlet
i would love a lmb/rmb/1/2/... book and free acces to legendary/prpl/blue skills form base
building would be just like on yast
dusty yarrow
Another alternative is to be the same as POE 2
outer hamlet
idk poe :/
outer hamlet
i think that's what they are going to do
that way if you want to play multiple build you still need all the books
dusty yarrow
but neither eliminates the need for books =x
outer hamlet
i'm fine with books for GMs
you could go or this with 15 SF and 3 hammer for 48
and freely switch if you need stunt or dase ... like in live but with GMs
dusty yarrow
slow jasper
solemn oar
Sunflower needs help
Its time to give up. Sf dead spec. Move on to hornet or rumble 
solemn oar
Its funny how people discount hornet right now
Leg drain is okay. It helps hornet the most but it wont change too much
But when hornet is already bis 
proud field
Its funny how people discount hornet right now
You can't say that when in EU Hornet is top on wb. (Yes he out gears most if not everybody)
solemn oar
i mean, im the most geared hornet smn in na, but im also not an absolute giga whale
na wise, we dont have many hornets
proud field
And you're not rank 1 on world boss?
We as far as I know have 1 geared Hornet in EU.
solemn oar
whenever i do get to do wb, im usually around 6-7 (i dont frequently get to do wb due to work hours)
na has very few hornet smns
proud field
But when you do, do it, crazy to think you're not rank 1. (Saying you're the most geared Hornet)
Now I don't know what most geared means on NA.
solemn oar
most geared hornet doesnt mean most geared smn
hornet might be bis, but if im 28k hornet, vs a 36k sunflower
its a diff situation
proud field
What I'm talking about is like a 3.4k Attack Power Hornet summoner.
solemn oar
we simply just diont have that in na
proud field
solemn oar
all na giga whale smns are sunflower or rumble
proud field
Then I'm talking about monsters while you're talking about kittens.
solemn oar
it doesnt change the fact that hornet is the highest dps spec though
we just dont have the players doing it
proud field
it doesnt change the fact that hornet is the highest dps spec though
I can't say for sure.
An example.
First is a hornet then 2 rumble players.
solemn oar
i think that hornet and sf are extemely close right now
solemn oar
i think we lack the data to properly compare the specs, but napkin math puts them basically on the same level
proud field
Technically they are out geared the rumble ones.
proud field
But if on the same "lvl", then Rumble should dominate.
solemn oar
rumble or anything providing 50% def shred should be a build any smns should gravitate too
proud field
rumble or anything providing 50% def shred should be a build any smns should gra...
We went over this, it's a matter of play style.
solemn oar
what matters is overall party dps
if you want to play a suboptimal spec because its fun, thats fine
you can probably clear all content
proud field
If the DPS counted in the party goes to the summoner (as numbers) then we'd be top dps, considering def red hammers.
solemn oar
yep
proud field
if you want to play a suboptimal spec because its fun, thats fine
No such thing.
Unless you're in purple at this point.
solemn oar
def hammer alone makes smn the highest dps class
but if you want to be weird about how its not on /our/ meter
than thats a different issue entirely
if any smn isnt running either rumbles 40 shred or a 50 shred, whether its from sf or hornet
just play a diff class
because others do more for personal dps
it really isnt a complicated situation. in neo def shred is insanely op
if you dont take advantage, youre just inting party for meter numbers
proud field
All this inting all this issue over a simple playstyle.
People play what they want.
Example: Sunflower plus speed hammers. 90 stacks with 48 hammers. Works for every content.
solemn oar
if you can clear content and not because youre just being carried by others playing optimal specs than great
but there will always be a meta spec.
if you wanna run sf speed hammer, sure maybe its fun cause monke brain like big number. but youre just handicapping party, and putting more owness on them to carry dps, instead of running a proper 50 shred build
proud field
Let's just agree to disagree.
slow jasper
radiant juniper
samadhi FTP!!!!!
outer hamlet
haha no barakal box
outer hamlet
i mean when u'r full sagewood and gold line there is nothing good in the box
solid kestrel
do you know dps numbers so we can kind of compare?
lament skiff
It's over 9000!
-# significantly over 430
proud field
.
I did 300k, sunflower+speed hammers.
I will assume they over 0.345% had double my dps so probably like 600k or a bit over or under.
(estimating)
solid kestrel
if 0.345% is 300k then 0.652% is ~567k
amaya beat me on last shin muryong, usually i'm a tiny bit higher but i also have all gold line while she can still upgrade a bit (bees should beat sun with same gear)
just checked the logs and i did 640k
proud field
Bees as in rumble?
solid kestrel
yes
proud field
Of course rumble can beat sunflower.
lament skiff
A wet paper towel can beat sunflower
solid kestrel
but it doesn't seem like hornet is better
lament skiff
Than rumble?
solid kestrel
than sun
proud field
No one said it is. He is just geared.
proud field
That's still true. Rumble sun hornet.
But gear is gear.
Also, Ms/configuration/macro/other.
solid kestrel
didn't someone earlier say hornet > sun owo
proud field
No, my take was that we have a monster hornet that's getting rank 1 for a while.
solid kestrel
yea
that is a lot of gear
but also gear is getting so cheap now
white lights are < 400dg
in our raid group white lights are like 200dg and even gold line like 3-5k
solid kestrel
yea we bid on items and pay each other
just sad because market tax but it's the most fair for everyone
solid kestrel
static
cheaper items like ss and cards are randomed
white light/ gold line/ crystal/ sagewood/ outfits are bid
for example this week anyone that didn't need/ want any of the drops got 5k dgs instead
and people like me who want a mushins core paid ~20k for 5 core crystals
slow jasper
white lights are < 400dg
really?how about weapong?
slow jasper
ahh, yeah same
dusty yarrow
amaya beat me on last shin muryong, usually i'm a tiny bit higher but i also hav...
This top 10 is cool
He used stealth and never returned.
outer hamlet
on wb bee profit full time from -50% but SF have some poison down time espetialy if dumbahh keep spaming the hammer
hard hamlet
dusty yarrow
You pay in the raid?
Is you?
slow jasper
more swiping
proud field
I need more leg skills, but they aren't doing the good hajoon boxes or the 100g boxes.
slow jasper
I need more leg skills, but they aren't doing the good hajoon boxes or the 100g ...
+1
the 1k1g event was very good
along with 2 class exchanges
Can anyone throw me the f3 of the 2nd sum?
what to check his/her gear
proud field
🫡
lament skiff
Ah dont look at me, I'm hideous
lament skiff
Those were my character design decisions
lament skiff
I need to put up missing posters
slow jasper
lament skiff
For rumble sums, is poison always up?
lament skiff
Is it perma poison though
Cd of rumble yellow is 9s and poison is supposed to last for 10
lament skiff
If you have enough gm right?
gilded sierra
WTS NA
old heron
WTS NA PM
dusty yarrow
gz
dusty yarrow
Instagram
bitter flame
dusty yarrow
@zinc vault u can increase the ms of ur macro
so as not to have any more problems with the cheer up
zinc vault
Well yeah but they should still look into it
I'm just gonna bother them every day until they either change the skill description or remove the cast time
Or until I get bored
zinc vault
The other annoying part is the missing heal
My cat can survive without it but it's still annoying
zinc vault
You don't get the 20% heal if you cancel it
dusty yarrow
lol
zinc vault
Also I'm gonna have fun just writing a post everyday sometimes spicing it up with some memes
Speaking of which
Give me sad cat emotes
zinc vault
That'll be used in tomorrow's post o7
solid kestrel
outer hamlet
cat dissapered befor bibong fight
2nd time it hapened
dusty yarrow
cat dissapered befor bibong fight
2nd time it hapened
He was playing with the cat outside.
dusty yarrow
WTS NA
wispy quail
I read the doc in the pin and I’m still confused as a noob, just keep playing until it makes sense? I was looking for: what skills to make 10/10; noob rotation; explanation of wtf I should be looking out for during combat; best bonds and insignias; how to heal (if it even is a healing class) here comes a cat meme as payment in advance
lament skiff
Why heal when you can potion
dusty yarrow
no, hold it and farm until lv80
I did a sacred today.
lament skiff
Per-fight mechanics you kind of just pick up as you go
For points, just whatever you use most. Having a build in place helps narrow this choice down
solemn oar
We should really make a proper doc for new players coming into smn.
A lot has changed, since the old days. Something up to date would be good
solemn oar
I read the doc in the pin and I’m still confused as a noob, just keep playing un...
Look at this poor man, not knowing his bees from his sunflowers
hard hamlet
wispy quail
Look at this poor man, not knowing his bees from his sunflowers <:sadge:80411612...
I’m old man pls teach new tricks
solemn oar
for skill points, always allocate them to your highest dps skills first. it wont take long before you have enough points that covers all your main damage skills and they start going into some more sorta useless ones.
healing is generally through the healing tonics, but summoner does have a few extra abilities that can heal us: Drain (2), Hive Swarm (3), True Friend/Daybreak (X). Theres a few others but thats more notable ones. Also a lot of self heal comes from the drain effect from bonds.
rotation is going to depend heavily on what spec youre playing, and what books you have access too. (we can help, just let us know which spec you are between rumblebees/sunflower/hornet)
When it comes to bonds, because its mostly rng which cards youll get as you play youll end up just using whatever you get access too. general rule of thumb for a low-mid player is just aim to have your highest onrush/smite/drain set active. than use other bond slots as stat sticks (go for crit and crit damage).
Insignias are expencive to upgrade, but probably worth to get a decent baseline. Aim to maximize AP from your insignia as much as you can. The combo insignias like AP + CD are the best, but early on with insig you sorta just have to take what you can get (AP > CR/CD)
@wispy quail
slow jasper
wispy quail
https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1463605530621907021
I’ve read it, I had more class specific questions like I posted above, I’m only lvl45 and haven’t chosen a skill tree/line/book so I’ll keep going maybe I’ll figure it out
I’m mainly having trouble with bosses but I think I’ll wait until I over level them and go back
lament skiff
You're leveling by hand?
wispy quail
To see the story at least once
dusty yarrow
u can be more aggressive
if u have purple shroud, ur next hit will be crit
so u can use 2x bee
I usually don't need more than that to kill anyone
In your case, since you have less SF, about 4x will be enough
slow jasper
I usually don't need more than that to kill anyone
I was like playing hit and run strag. I def need to be more proactive next time
dusty yarrow
On Monday I had to kill a guy 7 times in MSP
I just didn't understand why he kept coming back every time
dusty yarrow
But the funniest thing is that after the seventh time, he logged out
someone who was in his guild told me
slow jasper
yes, he is new also in pvp
outer hamlet
but for pvp hornest is the way
in beluga sunflo is usefull to cancel the capture
but for bee if you are good just iframe it and well no more bee
dusty yarrow
hornet is best for almost everything
It's a shame there's no way to quickly switch builds FOR NOW...
proud field
It's a shame there's no way to quickly switch builds FOR NOW...
Make this happen and summoners will enjoy it even more!
outer hamlet
would make msp fair
so excited for what they ll do but i feel the disapointment coming
outer hamlet
to double the numbers of bugs
onyx relic
basicialy all summoner books are trash books except sunflower
solid kestrel
dusty yarrow
basicialy all summoner books are trash books except sunflower
wtf
vagrant roost
This is NA cheapest price what I have seen a few days ago
solid kestrel
< 10k soon, there already were 2 books just now that i got hungry for....
dusty yarrow
There is no SF to sell =x
hard hamlet
meow :3
slow jasper
meow
lethal walrus
proud field
Not worth it when apparently we will get it easier next patch in getting leg skills.
That's why they're cheaper now, they're trying to get rid of them when they're still worth something.
But now you'd be losing money(gems).
outer hamlet
outer hamlet
some ppl need money fast
proud field
That's with besties right?
lament skiff
go echo go
lament skiff
lol i thought that was instant death
solid kestrel
yeah the pizza is instant death 
outer hamlet
did cat died from pizza in live ?
outer hamlet
where cat outfits
dusty yarrow
where cat outfits
dusty yarrow
3 things that could come this month:
- cat outfit
- lunar drop/pig beam
- exp bar bonus
outer hamlet
maby
no
yes
honestly i would wrather they dont give us the cat outfit boxes next patch it would mean an other meh box for progretion
i would like the second jackpot like box and the barakal box both are 1Kg boxes with infinite 10g boxes related to them
lament skiff
the cat outfits are lootboxes?
solid kestrel
lament skiff
sorry echo, your bday suit is free at least
outer hamlet
a lootbox like we have rn
infinite purchase and you get tickets to bamba in transmute
but atleast it's downcrest rewardns inside
lament skiff
Gross
polar basin
is this why "i" never die <:heh:1367979592383725648>
dont neede to kill ur cat
just kd u and comet your face
i still remember that moment in skyhaven
with yayrin and u on a rock
slow jasper
Im currently wondering if it worth to go for cheer up 18gm?
or spare a slot for another skill
lament skiff
For the def buff?
proud field
Even if you go to 18gm, the skill is still bugged. My cat dies just cause she's not getting healed from it, sometimes.
Or perhaps the purple skill is bugged and not the leg one?
dusty yarrow
Or perhaps the purple skill is bugged and not the leg one? <:Cozzydo:13951748696...
no heal = fast spam of ur macro
the same applies to the defense buff
solid kestrel
cat together strong
party up with another sum for besties
unless that doesn't work on other's cats 
i don't remember
dusty yarrow
Im currently wondering if it worth to go for cheer up 18gm?
This may answer your question
You guys have no idea what the QoL of the Cheer Up 48gm is
dusty yarrow
unless that doesn't work on other's cats <a:sweating:852729558218178580> i don't...
it works
hard hamlet
dusty yarrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1353698904818061343.gif?size=48&animated=true&...
nerf sin?
if nerf more, they will delete this class
proud field
no heal = fast spam of ur macro
So if I spam fast my tc (in my case), the z won't get applied? {Every so often?}
wispy quail
Hey how much do you think the fat cat hairpiece for familiars is worth?
dusty yarrow
fat cat hairpiece?
dusty yarrow
200% def still loss of a lot of health
400% *
after my 48gm, my cat never died again
wispy quail
fat cat hairpiece?
lament skiff
I think some damage is just ignoring def
Like Wufu's bombs
Or that chest laser from grand fist adds
slow jasper
also the flame blowing from the first dog in the frozen mine
hard hamlet
wts eu
onyx relic
also the flame blowing from the first dog in the frozen mine
Good to know. I always wondered why it hit my cat so hard.
dusty yarrow
Good to know. I always wondered why it hit my cat so hard.
I just ignore it
my cat has drain and heal every 18s
this first dog is afk time
turn on macro and leave
proud field
My cat dies once at Bibong cause she doesn't always heal. (I do have purple cheer up)
solid kestrel
dusty yarrow
They made things much easier after the rework
But I preferred it when it was difficult
dot control
But when I get back, I should up a BLM.
solid kestrel
i last mained sage, basically sunflower, it's all laser beams
dusty yarrow
At least until I get stuck in a 2-hour queue and go back to the tank or healer
solid kestrel
oh yeah dps queues
dusty yarrow
They're not using it much in the latest Savage
dusty yarrow
yugioh + space
solid kestrel
i played ast during stormblood
solid kestrel
but as healer you're already dependent on your party, now even more
dusty yarrow
I was forced to become a tank because of the bad tanks on pugs
solid kestrel
maybe one day I'll return too but for now i only pay my house tax
dusty yarrow
stop gamba this awakened skill and u will pay this tax
dusty yarrow
oh, so it's all good
solid kestrel
so much cheaper compared to p2w neo 
solid kestrel
should be 13 or 15