Summoner

[broken umbra]

wth

back to normal lol

[proud field]

Probably just a little glitch.

[broken umbra]

yep, we can solve that by relogging lol

[slow jasper]

typically ncs code

[proud field]

Glad it works as it should.

I wonder how much of a pain are the def hammers.

[maiden flint]

why is 30gm hammer applying def down with 1 poison?

and no poison refresh

[proud field]

Cause trasharoni.

[slow jasper]

[solid kestrel]

did you restart the game owo or just relog

my 30 min paw and swipe test had 0 crits too

[slow jasper]

really? I might change to overflow LMB if that the case

[broken umbra]

just relog

[solid kestrel]

worked for me too

[proud field]

[patent bear]

i m about to class voucher change to summoner from bm and i dont really know what to choose like the pinned guide is a sunflower guide but even the guide says "hornet is better" dafuq is the guide for then if hornet is better

[proud field]

Stay BM. You don't have the capacity to be a sum.

[solid kestrel]

currently it's probably bees > sun > hornet if you just want dps, sun has bigger aoe though
but isn't bm good this patch?

[patent bear]

i want to switch to range i hate being melee and i m still a little outdated book whise

[solid kestrel]

switch to spear master, pretty much ranged

[slow jasper]

😭 hornet still def at the bottom

[shut scarab]

The guide is far outdated

[snow valley]

So if gm48 def hammer doesn't work properly for now should I stop at gm30?

[solid kestrel]

gm48 def hammer does work, what doesn't?

[snow valley]

Someone mentioned it doesn't refresh poison stacks like it used to

[solid kestrel]

yeah but that's about it

gm48 def hammer
before patch:
0 -> hammer does nothing
1 -> hammer adds poison to 2 and applies def down
2 -> hammer adds poison to 3 and applies def down
3 -> hammer adds poison to 4 and applies def down
4 -> hammer resets poison to 0 and applies def down
5 -> hammer resets poison to 0 and applies def down

after patch:
0 -> hammer does nothing
1 -> hammer applies def down
2 -> hammer applies def down
3 -> hammer applies def down
4 -> hammer applies def down
5 -> hammer resets poison to 0, applies def down and grants 5% crit rate

[patent bear]

anything updated?

[slow jasper]

idk about the ingame text but according to yast in the 17/12/2025 KR patch (which is same as our as now )

It added an untranslated KR text meaning as clear poison on hit

buggiest skill in the game

[lament skiff]

it says that in game too

[slow jasper]

oh really? mine doesnt. Send screenshot

[solid kestrel]

i'm a firm believer in purple lunge my fellow summoners join me in griefing with the cat
miss all your kds since cat gcd and don't use raging lash, same gcd applies to cat pin

[snow valley]

I just turn my macro off when it's time to cc boss. 🤷‍♀️

[maiden flint]

i've been using lunge, not gonna rose with flower

[slow jasper]

[proud field]

To ss yes, but to cc no.

[snow valley]

What?

I spam tab with macro to stack poison. Cat can't properly pin boss or cc if it's busy rushing at boss. So idk why you mentioned ss?

[proud field]

It occurred to me that you mentioned while spamming DPS, you can't cc, and I mentioned that you can, you just have to stop dpsing to ss.

[dusty yarrow]

My DPS practically doubled

[slow jasper]

how much are we talking here

I wanna see

im doing like 190k on dummy

[dusty yarrow]

+110% +/- on dummy

yeti a little more

queen I'll test soon

[slow jasper]

the soulbadge for rumblebee does boost like 5 times than before

so 48 rumblebee with this buff is rocking

[maiden flint]

doubled hornet?

[slow jasper]

kinda

[maiden flint]

my sunflower went from 120k to 150k dummy

[slow jasper]

before I was doing 124k and now Im 190k

[dusty yarrow]

Imagine when they fix the 30gm

[slow jasper]

😭

gatling bees

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bumble-bees-fall-cat-cute-gif-16215516

[maiden flint]

imagine when they remember queen bee sucks and they turn it into a real effect

[slow jasper]

and also, the LMB damage is very nice

Im trying to get one more hornet from the 100g box

[maiden flint]

i wish i was still hornet, but hajoon had other plans

[slow jasper]

Hajoon? Doesnt the current Hajoon still give you a selection?

[rich yoke]

Wts NA

[maiden flint]

i extracted all my books from main hornet build and alt sunflower gear

many valor stones

aint doing that again

[shut scarab]

U can always change class to get hornet

But idk if it is only 3500dg plus gold

[slow jasper]

225g per leggy

😭

[maiden flint]

and its 3500 ncoin

[lament skiff]

def hammer is a pain to use T_T

[surreal dune]

WTS Leggy bees NA

[snow valley]

Will having 2 sums in party with gm 48 hammer be bad? I mean - poison will be constantly removed with 2 people hammering. I'm running static party, so I wonder if it would be better to go full SF. 🤔

[zinc vault]

how often do you even get to 5 stacks

[snow valley]

Solo? 10 seconds to build poison with tab (quicker if prickly isn't on cd)

[zinc vault]

without that since that's not usable in raids

[snow valley]

Then with prickly and one tab it's every 24 seconds

[lament skiff]

Is poison actually getting removed?

Mines not doing that

[snow valley]

Tooltip says it removes poison.

[lament skiff]

Not the first time they've gotten the tooltip wrong

[digital bramble]

poison usually gets removed on 5 stacks only times I've had it stay is after a grab which happened sometimes pre patch already

[cyan goblet]

WTS leg sunflower x5

[zinc vault]

release another class with def shred that's actually played (not like fire bm) 🙏

[lament skiff]

I'll grab a video eventually

[slow jasper]

where

[brave oracle]

Sunburst can't be locked when using legendary sunflower?

[lament skiff]

It can

Shows up as another skill

[brave oracle]

Ohh thanks ❤️

[solemn oar]

Yah im up to around just shy of 300k on dummy now with hornet

[lament skiff]

I dont think the crit bonus is working on 48 hammer

[proud field]

[solemn oar]

You gotta be 5 poison stack for it

Its been popping up for me at least

Hard to tell if the buff is physically functioning if thats what you mean though

[proud field]

Shouldn't the DPS be higher?

[solemn oar]

i just havent run extensive tests to see crit variance is all

[slow jasper]

holy

ringing bee for the win

[zinc vault]

my crate went from 40% to 45%
i honestly couldn't tell the difference and just removed 1 leg hammer

[slow jasper]

it's just 5%

other classes have like +40%

[proud field]

But perhaps being it available for the other 5 players is worth it?

In a way I wanna have 3 def hammers to help the group but on the other hand, I also like my DPS as a summoner being it full on sunflowers or a mix with speed hammers.

Even though now, Hornet might be Gucci, but it remains to be seen if lower geared Hornet summoners will be able to outdps equal Sunflower summoners.

[outer hamlet]

it's not a group buff

[proud field]

What's that the whole extra point of having the def hammers, that it also gave the party 5% extra crit?

[zinc vault]

it's only for you and if you have 2 summoners in the party you mess it up for the other summoner

[proud field]

[proud field]

Assuming both have def hammers?

[zinc vault]

48stacks yes

[outer hamlet]

samdahi was top2 on WB yesterrday
didn't look at their gear but it must be on pars with triguun/kiss at least
idk how it thanslate in high lvl dungeon because you need crit for honey to extand and on the other side the free crit form queen bee is nerfed sue to everybody having 80% crit on WB

[proud field]

Samadhi is maxed out. Anything else he could have is just + on accs and wep/new badges.

[zinc vault]

oh btw i skipped wb yesterday due to some corridor fun times, how was wb

[outer hamlet]

loooong

[zinc vault]

are the strikers still going strong

or with the inc level and lower crit-rate it's less noticeable

[proud field]

Wb is buffed. Takes now 5 min to kill in place of 1 min 10 sec.

[outer hamlet]

yep top 1 and 3 i think

oh wait i have the screen

[zinc vault]

okey so strikers have aharder time for sure

[proud field]

I even lost DPS with this buffed wb.

[outer hamlet]

and you have to dodge and parry again got chained cc'd to the ground

i hate shin

[zinc vault]

one really stupid question tho

[proud field]

I also got cc'd for a while. I was screaming.

[zinc vault]

if you use the bee build who has more aggro for the boss you or the cat

[proud field]

You.

Cat will do like 100k. You'll do like 200k if not more.

As long as you do not lose focus you're Gucci.

[zinc vault]

might need to stalk samadhi to see if bees are better for range tanking

cause we're having a hard time in our raid with range tanking 3rd boss

[proud field]

He's Hornet. I assumed you were referring to Rumble.

[zinc vault]

oh hornet

ewww

no ty

[outer hamlet]

bee buff is like x2.2 and hammer buff on designated is likee x1.9

[proud field]

But regardless, the summoner will outdps the cat in every scenario.

[slow jasper]

rumblebee? If you did in total of 300k/s (200k is yourself and 100k from your cat)

You wont be getting any aggro from a player who is dealing 220k/s

[outer hamlet]

you wont tank on rumble or it would mean you doo 50% more dps than all classes, cat dps is not counted in your threat

[zinc vault]

yeah i know that, was just wandering what the split is

[slow jasper]

😭

when summoner will have +40% crit buff

[zinc vault]

rumble is nice tho siri

[outer hamlet]

rumble must be crazy on WB with 80%crit

[slow jasper]

yeah, additional cast in rumblebee is huge with x5 buffed badge

[outer hamlet]

and you get way more focus back on lmb crit

[outer hamlet]

soo i'm about to raid with an other summoner hammer 30
should i get the 48 ? or just an other flower ?

12% dps increase from 120 to 138

something like that
also do you pin the venomous ?
is croutching needed if you dont have full leg mantras ?

[slow jasper]

I will personally remove Z for 48 hammer

I dont really use Z anymore

until now

except for leggy besties for forcus recover

[solid kestrel]

is z prickly? if yes i agree with your take

[proud field]

Z is Besties.

[zinc vault]

@outer hamlet

1. Either is fine
2. Yes, you can pin it and it's really nice
3. Focus regen with hive and drain and x is more than fine especially if you're doing buff transfer

It sounds rather depressing to say but summoner damage just doesn't matter in that raid so just try out whichever feels better for you (48 hammers with managing poison or just an extra sf)

but do keep in mind you should have -1 skill slots since sum stun is kinda required unless your raid setup is just full of classes doing multiple stuns

[outer hamlet]

then i ll probably reoove pirkly for stunt and go 138/30

ty!

[frail imp]

for 30 stacks gm of hammer u dont have to use pickly stance anymore to apply defense

only 1 poison stack from venomous and hammer applied it would work

[solid kestrel]

remove prickly get leg besties

[surreal dune]

WTS NA

[shut scarab]

Bees summoner works with purple hammer?

Or i need to get leggy hammer aswel with leggy bees

[slow jasper]

hornet or rumble?

[shut scarab]

Rumble

[slow jasper]

leg hammer is a must

or else you wont have focus to do anything

[shut scarab]

Oh okok

[slow jasper]

Yeah, I played 48gm purple rumblebee + 30gm leggy hammer, dealt better damge than 48gm leggy hornet

[surreal dune]

WTS NA

[slow jasper]

somehow Im dealing more damge than this guy

[proud field]

Skill issue, also you probably have 2 sec extra on your sacred badge.

[slow jasper]

nah, Im still using the old moonwater

[proud field]

And what's your f3?

[slow jasper]

lower stats than her

[vague knoll]

WTB. Any summoner’s Trash book Na

[slow jasper]

[vague knoll]

Wtf. Let me login hahah

Whose quitting?

[slow jasper]

ah ah no no, it's TW, not NA/EU

[proud field]

48 leg hornet would do more than that player on leg sunflower? Geez either the skill hits insanely high, or that sunflower dude has skill issues or lag.

[slow jasper]

maybe she got cced a lot. The run aint that smooth after all, Yeti did like 9 AOEs

[proud field]

You guys have a meter?

[slow jasper]

yeah, from Azura discord

[proud field]

Regarding this, I also outdps higher geared summoners, but they probably got hit to many times and I didn't.

So it's more of a skill issue than just proper dps.

And still, gg for doing more.

[surreal dune]

WTS NA

[proud field]

https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1364402009381539860

[lament skiff]

sf buff when

[slow jasper]

already tho

smol buff

cuz already too strong

[outer hamlet]

i get PC diffed on WB espetialy on shin, cant wait to be stuck at 10fps in new zone to get eaven more diffed

[slow jasper]

yes

fps diff

never been cheaper

why spend 35g to exchange purple when changing class when we can buy directly on f5

[outer hamlet]

wait is it 35g ? though it was 25

[proud field]

That's per leg, you do not change purples, right?

[slow jasper]

yeah 25g, mb

[outer hamlet]

it's 25/ticket
1 ticket for prpl
9 ticket for legi

[maiden flint]

so

48gm hammer sucks right?

can do 48/48, or 66/30 now

[proud field]

@slow jasper Game might want me to go on this bs.

[slow jasper]

😭

yes

still have it here, but gotta salvage it soon

[proud field]

I won't salvage it.

[slow jasper]

well, I need one leg fragment for the selection transmute

[proud field]

Which one?

[proud field]

Ah, but that might not be worth it.

I'd rather get 2 randoms.

Then switch once char for free, and switch back with 35 bucks.

[slow jasper]

we dont get free class exchange tho

and the gold price is a little bit lower than NA/EU

so yeah

[proud field]

Even if it's 70 bucks, still less compared to the legs you technically select what to have.

[lament skiff]

Rumblebuddies!

[patent bear]

rumble > sunflower?

[slow jasper]

hmm, just made some calculations

so exchange char 2 times will cost me around 2180 NTD which roughly equals around 14k diamonds. And the result is I get an extra leggy

I honestly would do this if Im playing sunflower because leggy SF around 20k but Im attending to get hornet (only 11k on f5 right now)

[proud field]

I kinda wanna be Hornet, but like .. not sure if I actually want to. Or perhaps finish the build on sunflower and make a Hornet later.

[slow jasper]

gotta wait for ncs to pull out something in order for players to switch their build easier

not by swiping

[proud field]

Switching for free won't happen, unless we get another class perhaps.

But just more availability for skills, that's something I'd like.

[lament skiff]

#2 now stop shaming me T_T

[outer hamlet]

do you have a WB glove ? saw you rocking a +4 with full leg sf

i got my 7th trash skill, class switch gona be insain

[lament skiff]

LOL

still couldnt get #1 tho

sadge

maybe if I swap all the other books I have

feels like a waste to bind them all

[lament skiff]

Def reductions stopped stacking?

[outer hamlet]

yes

[dusty yarrow]

maybe I'll post video tomorrow

[brave oracle]

Sunflower to 72 GM
or
Sunflower to 48 GM & Def Hammer to 30?

[lament skiff]

reject hammer, embrace stax
-# the following does not constitute as medical advice

[outer hamlet]

hammering on 5poison is so ahh if you want to supp go 30

it's 3 skill book for perma def shred
i love lmb in msp

[brave oracle]

What im confused about is

[lament skiff]

I miss being able to stack with gm30

[brave oracle]

On a boss, my dmg is higher than the total dmg dealt by other members on the defence reduction?

[outer hamlet]

wait how is your hammer 30? 1leg 3prpl ?

[brave oracle]

Yes

[outer hamlet]

so you are debating 1+3hammer or 4 prpl SF

[brave oracle]

yes

[outer hamlet]

are you leg sf ?

[brave oracle]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU191125"&class="Summoner"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAJDNcmkAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8s3GRZ8pZpktgitkSQglAKEeI3CMITwlCaTaBqXurnTMS89JTPfNSUisYIArvbQSb7JtYXJJaVBlckliS2rgNRQjsgMz8vOKmZYampiYWxi1L3YtSU_MYljjllKYyLAsoLSrISWVb4p6fk8IAUmJmgl0JM0QJAG7UjqXUAAAA"

This is the 48/30 I was thinking about

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU191125"&class="Summoner"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAGDRcmkAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8o3GRZ8pZpntgitkSQglAKEcIpQRR8gjC0wRTLNUbwab4JhaXpBZVBpcklqQ2bkMRAluWmZ9X3LjM0NTUxMK4Zal7UWpqHsMSp5zSVIZlAaVFBTmpXEvc83NSGACh1JTenQAAAA"

This is my current build

[outer hamlet]

you might have an easier time geting caried in newer dung with def shred
and you could still run a msp/WB accesory with 3 prpl sf to replace the hammers

[brave oracle]

Hm okay, thanks for the infos

[dusty yarrow]

48 / 30 is good

[solid kestrel]

fellow summoners
what's the math behind 5% crit rate vs 18 flower gm? or in other words gm48 def hammer vs gm30 def hammer and another sun book

[maiden flint]

i did not do much research

but im on my way to 78/30

screw the 5%

[slow jasper]

5% would be awsome for sf if it didnt need 5 stacks

[maiden flint]

im only using lunge for poison too

so its slow to reach x5 for the decent dmg boost on ssf

[outer hamlet]

there is no math it's just that getting 5 staks on sf is realy anoying since gm 30 dont apply one more stack
you eithher have to use 2 poison book or DnR
18s cooldown means you might have down time on the def if you are alone or moving a lot like on boss 2 BT
and i would wrather have +18 gm than +5% crit rate on WB espetialy since** i **have 0crit damage in cards

[solid kestrel]

i have 0 downtime, unless i mess up stuff or mechanics require it with just lunge owo (and on pull ofc)

so it is 5% crit vs 18gm

[fast quartz]

How important is leggy cheer up for rumble bee build

[dusty yarrow]

is more quality of life

for aoe farm like lunar / beastbog

https://youtu.be/rsWUJtOazIw

new dg

[proud field]

144ms?

You're griefing yourself.

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/12-gif-20584558

[fast quartz]

should i get another rumble bee or cheer up

[dusty yarrow]

if u have bee / hammer leg 48/48

leg cheer up is good

[proud field]

But not needed.

The purple one does the same thing.

Just less healing.

[dusty yarrow]

For the dog's dg, it will be very good.

the cat takes everything there

[proud field]

As a last skill to be changed sure, as a priority, I'd say no.

[shut scarab]

Install overlay to see dmg

Xd

[dusty yarrow]

ncsoft dont like that in video

https://tenor.com/view/shhhh-cat-sigma-gif-5432518837806789352

[slow jasper]

how is your cat bonking so slow?

I remember it a little faster than in the video

[dusty yarrow]

maybe ping

[slow jasper]

oh 144ms

oh yeah

yeah would be faster if low ping

[chilly galleon]

I play on 180ms

from SEA

exit lag saves me

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-high-five-okay-sour's-cat-cute-cat-gif-13717594879666614680

[slow jasper]

😭 nah overlay must be good to have, it just read from.the combat log tho, no file interupt or anything

hopefully so

[dusty yarrow]

I have it

I just don't show it in the video

[slow jasper]

[ornate salmon]

Question, where does sunburst fit into the rotation? Because I've been ignoring it and just spamming sunflower

[lament skiff]

Sunburst doesn't even go here

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-daniel-franseze-guy-wearing-shades-hoodie-she-doesnt-even-go-here-gif-5189549

[ornate salmon]

So lock it and never use it?

[lament skiff]

That's what I do

[ornate salmon]

That's crazy

[slow jasper]

maybe at the end of the overflow?

like 1s left

[ornate salmon]

Yeah but is that optimal? 4 seconds of not stacking sunflower

[dusty yarrow]

sunburst is good only if u have purple hornet and going farm on lunar / beastbog

only

[solid kestrel]

you want to use drain at the end of overflow to extend, but sunburst blocks that so make sure to lock that junk

[ornate salmon]

Rooger roger. Thank you summoner friends

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-high-five-okay-sour's-cat-cute-cat-gif-13717594879666614680

[dusty yarrow]

the way the bee was supposed to function all the time

[zinc vault]

btw alym

could i ask for an f3 image

[dusty yarrow]

are u from EU server?

[zinc vault]

yeah

[dusty yarrow]

I'm weak

there are still many things that need to change

https://tenor.com/view/pull-up-workout-exercise-fitness-cat-gif-16681724

[slow jasper]

strong cat

[zinc vault]

if you had like 15-16 leg books

how would that look like

2 cheer up
3 hammer
rest rmb?

or you'd bonk more

👀

after the buffs i have no idea how it'd look like

[dusty yarrow]

3 / 3 / rest bee

and if u have more fragment, can try a new skill

[zinc vault]

[lament skiff]

Is photo used by rumble?

[dusty yarrow]

yep

if u use venomous, u receive photosynthesis only on cri hit

and using photo is all hit

[solid kestrel]

isn't that in one of the future soon tm patches for sum?

[dusty yarrow]

yep

soon

and I couldn't play without the roll, I had to put it back

-1 purple bee on build

[solid kestrel]

i'm still hoping on someone to figure out whether 48 or 30 def down hammer is better, idk neo math

[dusty yarrow]

math dont work on neo

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-food-eating-cat-eating-gif-1320502635529344444

but 5% of crit rate must be good

[slow jasper]

only good if ya is facing high level boss

spare slot for 48gm while also struggling to activate it just to get 5% crit in return

mean while KFM
get yellow dps the entire run with just a few clicks of searing palm

[solid kestrel]

and i'm also wondering if it's worth replacing hive with another sun uwu

on a dummy at least i don't have focus issues at all

but that is 100% crit (corrected value, dummy is 100% crit, cat hits lower that value)

[slow jasper]

Somehow I have focus recovery issue with hornet ever since i rerolled my focus mantra into crit/crit dmg

really need Q, 2 and 3 to help with focus

raw LB RB spamming doesnt work

[solid kestrel]

did 5 min tests hive vs no hive usage to extend overflow
i gained 2.12% dps

[dusty yarrow]

gained using?

[proud field]

You can not test it on a dummy that's 45 or 65.

That's low lvl.

You have to test it in a dungeon/wb.

[solid kestrel]

is there a high lvl dummy somewhere

[proud field]

No, 65 is max as far as I know.

[solid kestrel]

yeah by using hive to extend of i got 2.12% more dps (only 5 min tests though)

and true, dummies are too low lvl so you always crit and have no focus issues

[proud field]

mhm, and not having hive, you lose at least 3 seconds of supersunflower (example).

[solid kestrel]

but the dps values should be about right still, no? percentage difference

that is what i was testing on a dummy owo the honey buff difference

[zinc vault]

btw@dusty yarrow i have 1 more question, how is msp with bees 👀

[dusty yarrow]

1 or 2 bees and move to next pull

[zinc vault]

i assume the 3m aoe you have on it is still rather decent for it

[dusty yarrow]

yep its decent

if gm30 work, is better

this fk dog have bonus damage vs cat

no way

without my cheer up it's pot on the cd

[proud field]

Would you guys say that there is a future for the speed hammers in dungeons?

[dusty yarrow]

die au au

[dusty yarrow]

with leg cheer up yes

[proud field]

Why leg?

[dusty yarrow]

400% def and drain for cat

[proud field]

Purple doesn't have it?

[dusty yarrow]

and 20% hp each 20 sec

[dusty yarrow]

nope

only 10% hp each 30 sec

[dusty yarrow]

18*

[proud field]

Does the cat actually need de def
from leg?

[dusty yarrow]

If I don't use potions on cd and don't reposition the cat after some attacks, he dies 2 or 3 times during this dog fight.

look that

2 atks

[proud field]

I have a feeling I can manage with just Purple Cheer. 😅

[dusty yarrow]

for Sunflower and Hornet, will need the focus Q

[solid kestrel]

my favorite skill

[dusty yarrow]

same

[proud field]

Q as focus rec? Prickly ftw ?

[dusty yarrow]

not for focus

for cat survive

[proud field]

But I want her to attack.

So eF q.

[dusty yarrow]

for sunflower and hornet whatever

just press C for def down and Q for cat survive

[proud field]

No no, I won't be on def, I'll be on speed.

[dusty yarrow]

plus focus for melee

[dusty yarrow]

I'm talking to the others.

[proud field]

If you're on speed hammers, would the pin still be useful?

[dusty yarrow]

pin book only for raid

for dg only pin normal

But you still need to do the grab mech

[proud field]

So then its kinda needed.

[snow valley]

Prickly only recovers focus on crit, good luck on yeti/queen/bt.

[proud field]

It will crit once it's on the ground.

[snow valley]

Ok, but prickly doesn't have 100% cr. How will it help if you can't recover focus from gm30 SSF crits?

[proud field]

Is that not Prickly critting?

Also you refer to Prickly gm 30? Or sunflower gm 30?

[snow valley]

It can miss crit on green dummy. Good luck on Yeti/Queen/BT. Also - that remark about GM30 Prickly...

https://tenor.com/view/naked-gun-face-palm-funny-omg-oh-no-gif-5707607

[proud field]

You don't wanna have gm 30 prickly.

1x Purple is enough.

[snow valley]

Go get some sleep. You don't know what you and me are talking about. xD

[proud field]

I assume you have no idea how it works, which is fine. I'll get the ball rolling as soon as I have enough gold to change some skills.

[snow valley]

?
You say - "prickly ftw for focus recovery". But prickly only recovers focus on crit. And it can miss crit. So it's not ftw at all.

[proud field]

You know I'm not going on a hunch. I'm going on a sure thing cause others have tested it.

[snow valley]

Then give me sauce, how it performs on queen and bt.

Links. Screens. Whatever.

Otherwise I will assume you are trolling.

[languid walrus]

Hi guys , I am planning to switch to summoner , I am looking for easiest to play and most fun build ( in your opinion) if possible , would love to hear your advice . Thank you

[lament skiff]

The summoners hang out over at #1357802662992675099

oh

lol

I need a nap it looks like

Pure sunflower might be the laziest/easiest, but I guess it depends on how dextrous you are

[broken arrow]

is the guide thats pinned still relevant? new to sum 😭

[solid kestrel]

probably outdated uwu

is there anything specific you want to know?

[broken arrow]

just the rotation for sunflower rly

[solid kestrel]

blue, purple or legendary?

[broken arrow]

im blue for now 😭

purple soon when i do the soul boost bp

[solid kestrel]

don't worry about dps at blue then it's the worst of everything summoner
sunflower is only viable at purple+ and you need a couple core skills too like drain, hive swarm, daybreak, prickly, dng

if your latency allows it you can do this opener
https://streamable.com/bgwrp5 (you see waffle in the video he was a pro)

i personally never managed to do that so i'd use drain > hive and dng in the second rotation for honey buff extension
once you get more gm (48+) you can drop focus regen skills like dng (this is the most annoying one to use, i'd recommend dropping it asap for more sun stacks)

[broken arrow]

omg so helpful tysm!!!!

[slow jasper]

[slow jasper]

all three specs are almost the same dmg now

[zinc vault]

doing some testing on eu too if anyone has any questions or something let me know

[slow jasper]

strong cat

[zinc vault]

mods dont check here anyways so here is the first test

keep in mind cat kinda diedh ere

a few times do to my not so optimal setup

doing 1 more then a scuffed sf run too

but first impressions are rather good and might try out wb today with the complete rumble setup

[slow jasper]

what boss was this?

[zinc vault]

doggo

[slow jasper]

yeah that's alright. I mean would be higher if Sum had better crit buff system

[zinc vault]

this seems really fun ngl

remind me to my old toggle macro and leave pc playstyle

okey give me a few hours and i'll show examples of a fully geared setup

[modern yoke]

Hi, what macro does Summoner Sunflower use? ☺️Thank you in advance

[zinc vault]

t

or rmb whichever you prefer

[modern yoke]

Thanks

[zinc vault]

was about 450k on the dummy before when i went for the screenshot

gonna do some new dungeons now o7

[slow jasper]

😭

so strong

[lament skiff]

Rumble supremacy

[zinc vault]

fear the bees

🐝

i may have forgotten to change the timeout on wb

so the records are rather messed up

gonna change that for later today

[broken arrow]

o wow so would u say its the same as sunflower now?

[zinc vault]

at least on pair with it

if you played the def shred tho

it's better

[broken arrow]

oooo

[zinc vault]

btw for the people that'd like to try out bees

you can cancel your z

and it doesnt go off

same as f

doggo

btw on mr fister dont do adds with this xD

just accept you're on hammer duty

[lament skiff]

lol

havent cleared the new ones

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zinc vault]

we have a spot

[lament skiff]

have too much bless and too close to leveling

sad days

[zinc vault]

also back to cancelling your z

you cancel both the heal and the def buff

which feels like a bug ngl

since you get the communion

[lament skiff]

How do you cancel it?

Isn't it like a quick cast?

[zinc vault]

well should be

but it isnt

if you cast anything while you press it

you dnt get any of the gm buffs

need to do a recording later

cause the qa team is useless

and they'll say they cant reproduce it

[sour fulcrum]

?

[zinc vault]

go away we need those for testing

[slow jasper]

😭 pls allow this one, and other ones in the future

[slow jasper]

holy

massive

[sour fulcrum]

just dont be spammy with pie charts and absolutely no in-game screenshots containing third party software

even pie charts arent technically allowed but

[slow jasper]

wait noingame sc allowed?, me first time hearing it

mb

[zinc vault]

btw that dps seems to be the average for doggo

[slow jasper]

Im from TW, can I be an exception

[sour fulcrum]

no third party of any sort is allowed, I've tried to blind eye the TW screenshots

but those need to go too probably

[slow jasper]

got it, will notice in the future

[sour fulcrum]

since we dont support TW here, we dont enforce TW ToS

[slow jasper]

so just ingame screenshot without anything can valid ?

like showing just f3 image for example

[sour fulcrum]

you can show anything from other servers, but no third party stuff

regardless of the region

[slow jasper]

Alright, got it. Thanks for reminding me

[sour fulcrum]

this is not ok ONLY because the butt of the meter is visible

without that its fine

[slow jasper]

ah, I get it

[zinc vault]

also got 1 more bug on cheer up

48 gm is not working

you get it sometimes if your cat has less than max hp

but if it ever reaches max you lose the drain

[lament skiff]

ha you said butt

[zinc vault]

😄

[sour fulcrum]

[zinc vault]

also let me rephrease that

drain is just not working at all

[slow jasper]

why butt for not feet

[zinc vault]

oh god no we got another one

[slow jasper]

what

nuh

Im just saying somebody's fetish

[zinc vault]

sorry the amount of feet animations i've seen in the last month

are getting the better of me

[zinc vault]

https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1464669730714554523
Now we pray they fix this.

[solid kestrel]

pretty sure bees is stronger than sunflower now if your ping is good too owo

[lament skiff]

Un-bee-lievable

SF is now the red-headed step child

[zinc vault]

i meeeeaan sf is still good but we got a new shiny toy

[slow jasper]

yeah. the AP scaling of the build is crazy after buff

[solid kestrel]

good compared to other sum builds but our dps is so low compared to others

[zinc vault]

oh yeah we're still playing summoner after all

[slow jasper]

WL suddently becomes beast after buff too

[solid kestrel]

[slow jasper]

Im dead after one air combo

[solid kestrel]

baby dps

[slow jasper]

in pvp

[solid kestrel]

on na #1 wl does more dps than #1 dl, but i believe he also has more gear

and compared to sum it's 2-3x dps

[zinc vault]

zero was doing like 1. something % dps here on wl on wb

[lament skiff]

anyone want

[plain veldt]

question: which build is better? Speed or Defense + Sunflower

[slow jasper]

For dps? or for supporting?

[plain veldt]

dps.

[zinc vault]

if you don't mind running out of focus a lot more i'd say the speed is more dmg

IF only your dps matters speed for sure is better

[plain veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-high-five-okay-sour's-cat-cute-cat-gif-13717594879666614680

[outer hamlet]

by seeing the damage distribution on the pie chart are u sure the rumble stacking is optimal ?

[zinc vault]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

got a bit more strikes now

[patent bear]

oil prince showing off

[zinc vault]

there is no other bee player on eu so obviously need to talk with the other summoners

[outer hamlet]

and how's the feel in lunar

• do you have focus issue ?

[zinc vault]

focus is fine

lunar is okey but not great

sf is better

by a lot

in dungeons tho

this feels great

[outer hamlet]

i like SF but seeing others get such a big buff i feel realy weak

[zinc vault]

i meeean

we play summoners

so our dps is bad anyways

and it's not that different in dps from the strike + sf

at least on wb

[outer hamlet]

i get it i'm a support but half the dps is rough

barely gained 50k from 84 to 138
the 5 stack poison gameplay beeing unrealistic so gm 48 is useless

and smothering paw dont reset the timer of poison rn duno why

from 1 stack to 5 stack but the time on the debuff stays the same wierd

[lament skiff]

hopefully kr summoners complain

[outer hamlet]

or it might be time for the pin to get benched

[lament skiff]

Nooooo

That's the only reason to bring us!

Unless you're a hammerer

[outer hamlet]

i m a hammer
i want to ditch drain too

[solid kestrel]

what books do you even remove for the 3 extras?

[zinc vault]

prickly didnt seem to do much, 48 gm cheer up is either bugged or idk something is strange with the icons at least

and if you cancel it for sure you dont get the gm effects

[dusty yarrow]

this is true, but idk if is just a icon or the effect too

but my cat healing 900 hp per bonk is very good

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hammer-cat-being-hit-on-the-head-with-a-hammer-monjjunirawr-silly-cat-cat-hammered-gif-10390299470246788991

[zinc vault]

well the other things i mentioned in the ticket are true

but i honestly cant tell if the 48gm works cause i dont even see it in the logs

sooooo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusty yarrow]

works

cat def buffed

no buff

[zinc vault]

yeah but if you macro lmb c and press z during that

you dont get any of the gm buffs

i know for sure cause my cat dies if i dont stop

[dusty yarrow]

this need more tests =x

[zinc vault]

just look at this

this is 48 gm cheer up

[dusty yarrow]

I saw that happen too

[zinc vault]

i tried with 250ms between pressing "z" and anything else

and with that the buffs apply every time

[dusty yarrow]

I'll test my macro soon

for see that

[zinc vault]

tbf i could check how low i can push it

brb

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-high-five-okay-sour's-cat-cute-cat-gif-13717594879666614680

[zinc vault]

110ms

at least that much time needs to between skill casts

to be precise between casting "z" and any other skill

[dusty yarrow]

I'll test here

[broken arrow]

this might be a top 5 dumbest questions ever but do u guys have this skill locked?

[dusty yarrow]

DnG only if u need honey

[dusty yarrow]

DnB yep

[dusty yarrow]

check the name of skill

[broken arrow]

its so annoying i keep pressing it by accident when interacting with npc etc

[dusty yarrow]

this is normal =x

npc, box...

[broken arrow]

thanks!

[dusty yarrow]

Most summoners are no longer using it

But it has its uses

6 sec of honey

[proud field]

I don't use DnG, I don't have any skill for F so I do not need to press F. I just showed where it is and how it's named.

[dusty yarrow]

But he asked if we lock the DnG

not where and DnB

[proud field]

And my screen shows that I can unlock it meaning we have to lock it.

[dusty yarrow]

...

[broken arrow]

ill keep it unlocked until i dont need it 😅thank u

[proud field]

I would say that summoners need to lock these skills. ( but do as you wish in the end )

[solid kestrel]

that's why i said it's the most annoying skill and you should replace asap if you don't need the focus anymore

stops you from opening chests and swapping channels and always casts trying to talk to npcs

[broken arrow]

idk why they gave us the gloom version in the sunflower book chest instead of bloom i feel like its way worse

[dusty yarrow]

but bloom is the long cast skill

root is the insta skill

but dont have honey =/

[broken arrow]

oh

[dusty yarrow]

bee -14m ( gm30 bugged ) = 17.5m damage / 357 hits
vs
bee +14m = 26.7m damage / 731 hits

52.7% more damage / 104.7% more hits

https://tenor.com/view/kowalsky-do-it-let's-do-it-plan-gif-12872865174534645045

[dusty yarrow]

I tested it here and it worked almost every time

gj

[slow jasper]

why need arena and 6v6 when you have beastbog (me still go 6v6 actually)

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/light-dark-mode-discrod-discord-gif-16744539322545735184

It's been so long since I've seen the cat's aircombo

[bleak wadi]

i went back to using doom and root again bc i jus love that skill a lot

too bad no honey 😔

[dusty yarrow]

true

[dusty yarrow]

guys, using bee with cheer up leg vs bibong, its a dream

It doesn't even compare to this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357802662992675099/1464402277627465932/20260123-2331-07.2666594.mp4?ex=6977f966&is=6976a7e6&hm=aab2cd3ecfad966cf6b23625d493cb2d4eeaa23646d2cd471683dc224b236c1e&

[slow jasper]

😭

bro flashed bang

[dusty yarrow]

new leg + GM skills coming

these weeks are for bm, kfm and sin

It would be good if it were LMB

[zinc vault]

2 focus on every lmb cast 3 if it crits 🙏

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[lament skiff]

yellow pin

or prickly

[slow jasper]

yes

please be 2 - 3 focus on constantly use

[outer hamlet]

i think leg drain 16m🙏

we defo not going for the leg-pro-max skill now f this shii

where prpl hive 🔔

[zinc vault]

a lot of korean summoners use that with sf

but idk i'd never try to craft them

[outer hamlet]

fml

[outer hamlet]

new cat bug you have it too ?

[dusty yarrow]

yep

invi cat

this happen sometimes

[lament skiff]

Cat is studing sin moves

[slow jasper]

yes, happen to me as well. Also pinning animation a little buggy sometimes and not as smooth as before

[dusty yarrow]

maybe bee fix???

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bee-bumble-bee-alex-uyutov-funny-gif-26422360

[solid kestrel]

sunflower buff

[lament skiff]

Lol

[dusty yarrow]

more??? lol

[solid kestrel]

compared to dl we're weak but that applies to all sum

[dusty yarrow]

this is true

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-cat-cat-depressed-depression-gif-13240550249247957481

[solemn oar]

More hornet buffs please

At least i can compete for top 5 wb now

[dusty yarrow]

what ranking did you get today?

[solemn oar]

I rarely get to do wb cause of work 🙁 was 6th last time i was on for it though

Only lost 5th cause i got hit

[dusty yarrow]

nice

today i lost 2 places because of bee bug

[lament skiff]

Def hammer users, why lunge over dnr?

At 30gm, it lines up with the 20s duration of the debuff

[slow jasper]

sum so weak compare to others, pls more

[solid kestrel]

and you don't lose any sun casts with this

[dusty yarrow]

the only advantage of rose vs lunge is the photo stack if crit

[solemn oar]

and fast cat

[slow jasper]

Im fast as cat boi

[soft sorrel]

As an F2P, is it good to stack up as many purple sunflowers as possible with minimal support books (Blue Seed Shroud for party stealth, Besties and DayBreak for iFrame) or have some more support books (e.g Hive Swarm, Drain for Honey, Power Pounce, Raging Lash, Crouching Tiger for CC and Team Focus recovery?)
PS I play on 100+ ping

[lament skiff]

Depends on your play style

[solid kestrel]

hive swarm and drain are core skills for sunflower or you'll have focus issues owo

i'd argue it's not worth the hassle using def down if you only have purple sun since getting 5 poison and focus management is bad but that's about the only party utility you'd drop for more sun books

[proud field]

You won't have issues on sunflower, pure sunflower. (specially if you get the leg sunflower)

[solid kestrel]

yeah i meant purple sun

[proud field]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU191125"&class="Summoner"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIACuIemkAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8vXGRZ8pZprtgitkRQglAKKUmMKWx2jkjMS891TMvJbWCASzFUg2WYnqEIrURbLBvYnFJalFlcEliSWrjNhQhsP2Z-XnFjcsMTU1NLIxblroXpabmMSxxyilNZVgWUFpUkJPKvcQ9PyeFAQAeBHOosAAAAA" I believe this is what you could achieve rather easily.

There are more ways to play a summoner, but that depends on what kind of time invested and gems invested you'd like to add in Neo.

[outer hamlet]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU191125"&class="Summoner"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAEKMemkAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8qWmRZ8pZZo3VzhmJeempnnkpqRUMjSAxpnsbwQp9E4tLUosqg0sSS1Ibt6EIgc3LzM8rblxmaGpqYmHcstS9KDU1j2GJU05pKsOygNKigpxUhiXu-TkpAgCe-cCbgAAAAA" this emraell soon

[dusty yarrow]

@slow jasper u play on TW, right?

[zinc vault]

Maaan I explicitly stated how to reproduce the cheer up issue but QA testers are so useless

I wonder if they just use a dice to decide if they start working when the day starts

And we just got unlucky

Can someone please make a video and link it cause I can only do it tomorrow 6pm cet

[lament skiff]

I do have enough yellow books

But no wb weapon

[solid kestrel]

can someone make a bug report for party stealth?
i believe it was thorn block, if you use that party stealth goes on cd for you

[dusty yarrow]

The bee report was made almost a month ago and so far, imagine the cheer-up.

which is a secondary skill

obs: report here and ticket

I'll even ask @slow jasper which is from TW make a ticket there

to see if it helps more

But the big problem is having to wait until the end of February to see if they're going to fix it

[proud field]

You'd think so until you start using speed hammers. Then it's not a secondary skill anymore.

[dusty yarrow]

but I use speed hammer

21% of my damage

vs 70% of my bee

[proud field]

You can't say that cause it's a valuable skill.

[dusty yarrow]

the bug is about def buff of cheer up

not the communion

if u use really fast cheer up, the def buff dont active

gm 18 / 30 buff

And I haven't tested if the drain effect ( gm48 ) is also included in this buff

[proud field]

Oh lol but then I think I never see def buff up.

No wait, you need 30 stacks cheer up right?

I have the basic purple.

[dusty yarrow]

18 is 200%, 30 more 200%

[proud field]

So we Gucci. Purple

[slow jasper]

yeah

[dusty yarrow]

Could you submit a ticket through site? Maybe NC TW is more efficient.

[slow jasper]

which site? discord channel like https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1412671058158424164 ?

[dusty yarrow]

https://tw.ncsoft.com/bns

[slow jasper]

oh, yeah submitted once

Reply

Hello dear players:

For questions regarding game controls or gameplay, we suggest you visit the game's discussion forum or communicate with other players.

They can gain more practical experience and advice.

If you encounter any system malfunctions or functional issues later, please feel free to contact us again, and we will assist you in confirming the problem.

Thank you for your understanding and support.

Thank you for your understanding and support. We wish you a pleasant gaming experience!

Sincerely, Genelec Operations Team

[dusty yarrow]

It would be best to send videos showing the problem

Telling you to find other players to learn how to play is a joke

wtf

[slow jasper]

yeah, they dont care about ingame bug

[dusty yarrow]

If I knew someone who plays on KR and could test it, and if they found the bug, I would ask them to submit a ticket directly

but I don't have an account there and I don't know anyone there =x

[slow jasper]

😭

[slow jasper]

bruh, I think it happens only on a snow map

I get it sometimes also when doing ebondrake

[dusty yarrow]

with me it is on mushin

[proud field]

Is it not 110k dps to low for Lair with these stats?

[ebon ore]

have been asking people, but getting very different answers:
i might be rerolling 3 legendary skills. i don't intend to play rumblebees/speed hammer. my current build is mixed sunflower/def down, with all purple skills, and i intend on keeping something like that for the foreseeable future. my only legendary skill is sunflower currently.
should i pick 3x sunflower, as they are the most expensive, or should i go with 1x sunflower, 2x def down hammer since that will give the best party dps overall?

[slow jasper]

no? pretty fine to me

[dusty yarrow]

110k where?

[proud field]

Lair.

[dusty yarrow]

what is lair?

[proud field]

Queen Altar.

[dusty yarrow]

ahhh

its normal

[dusty yarrow]

It's a good idea to create your build in YaST and then change/test it

[ebon ore]

i'm not able to test it ingame because i can only reroll once

[dusty yarrow]

in yast

not in game

That way you'll discover the setup to have a bigger stack.

[ebon ore]

i'm asking whether it is worth it to sacrifice 24gm to have def down

[slow jasper]

solo dps = sunflower, party player (supporting) = def down

depend on your playstyle

[dusty yarrow]

https://youtu.be/LKX6eHSO6Yc

[ebon ore]

most content focuses on party play; the only big incentive for solo dps is perhaps wb, so i will probably be getting def down before i get more flowers

[slow jasper]

strong

220k on dummy, so weak

[lament skiff]

prolly just stacking issue

[slow jasper]

literally everything issue

[dusty yarrow]

need more CD

[slow jasper]

😭 yeah

[slow jasper]

how much dps did you do btw?

10mins dpsing, holy imagine not using macro

[dusty yarrow]

My meter was set to dummy mode at that time, so all my logs were cut off

=/

[slow jasper]

dang

[dusty yarrow]

14m + also stopped working

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-typing-kitten-typing-typing-gif-9421482755570860732

[lament skiff]

Rumble is the only acceptable form of bee

[proud field]

[solid kestrel]

[slow jasper]

the bee-est

[lament skiff]

Oh, I like you

[slow jasper]

[stable plover]

wts NA

[modern yoke]

Hi! Is it possible to buy Hive Swarm on F5? I've been looking for it for days and nobody is selling it

[lament skiff]

yep, just no supply

[modern yoke]

T.T thanks!!

[lament skiff]

are blues not available for valor?

[modern yoke]

yep, 400

I made a mistake when opening the blue box, when you create the character

[lament skiff]

There's always restarting 👀

[modern yoke]

How is it done?

creating a new character?

[lament skiff]

Basically

Depends on how far into the game you are

[modern yoke]

I already paid for the battle pass because I wanted to play it as my main, now I guess I have to wait until I get 10 purple books.

[lament skiff]

Ah then restarting isn't really an option

And there's no purple hive swarm either

[modern yoke]

Between that and the fact that I'm not injured, it's difficult to get accepted into a party. 🤦‍♂️

[dusty yarrow]

ping comparison

white cat 6 ms x black cat 136 ms

[lament skiff]

White cat living in the future

[slow jasper]

aggressive cat

[onyx relic]

Hey Guys, is there any Rotation for Humblebee Summoner?

[dusty yarrow]

delete this build

a new bug every day

I'm finishing collecting the data to prepare the report

[slow jasper]

😭

but you still playing it

[dusty yarrow]

I'm trying to find ways to work around the bugs, just like the old "14 meters"

Confirmed by another person, this is really bugged.

[slow jasper]

[dusty yarrow]

if u lock it, ur cat breaks

375 hits vs 270 hits if locked

[slow jasper]

yeah I faced this one

my cat lost it hammer boost when locking this skill for some reason

[dusty yarrow]

It seems that when the 5 poisons accumulate, the cat tries to perform the "Blam!" but can't, causing this.

And here we go, making another ticket

[slow jasper]

chatgpt: "How can I make my rumblebee to not apply poison...."

[dusty yarrow]

Just leave it unlocked

But my concern is whether there's some other skill that's causing another bug.

[solid kestrel]

what's with all these summoner bugs 😭

[lament skiff]

well

we do deal with bees and hornets

-# It comes with the territory

[dusty yarrow]

https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1467692223855464681

[slow jasper]

buggiest class

[dusty yarrow]

I just saw your stealth reporter, that's sad.

[dusty yarrow]

ANOTHER BUG

[outer hamlet]

stealth has been buged for ever now i though it already had a bug report
also why can't we get the stealth cooldown like sin

[dusty yarrow]

good question

[solid kestrel]

yea i thought someone reported it already but couldn't find, so i finally wrote one

[dusty yarrow]

I did some tests and it seems that only Blam is bugged. If you see anything else strange, comment.

[outer hamlet]

why is my cat invisible on every WB
why does it like licking walls so bad
why does it get mobs aggro beffor i do when it's clearly runing behind me
why is Q interupted by rando AOE
why does it transforms into a ball of green plasma when it tries to come back to me so have to stop runing or my eyes hurt
why does SF still have that shii screen animation

[dusty yarrow]

Seriously, it's easier to delete the class and start from 0

[lament skiff]

Raging Lash is also missing a cd icon

[slow jasper]

😭

getting mobs aggro when it run behind and become a ball of green plasma is crazy thing that cat would do

[solid kestrel]

oh yeah the invisible cat bug

i don't know how to cause it though, it just randomly happens

[dusty yarrow]

I see this happen more in the dummy.

[solid kestrel]

for me it happened twice at bibong now

[slow jasper]

my cat goes invi while in snow map quite often

[solid kestrel]

cat is next to me and can take damage, pressing e also goes on cooldown
but my cat is invisible and can't attack/ use any skills

if i teleport out it's fixed, if my cat dies and i resummon it's fixed

[dusty yarrow]

The worst part is that I also have no idea how to reproduce this

And with each passing day, I believe more in the theory that they only migrated code from LIVE, and even today this causes conflict in some parts

[proud field]

Why cant I see this skill?

I only see it in the Quick View of K.

[proud field]

Ah nvm, I sorted by Level, and it appears.

Yeah, mine was never locked.

And I hammer as it should.

But what I can't test is the 5 poison on a dummy, cause I just use Prickly for focus not really for poison. Unless I get invis and then reset it and reapply it to get poison stacks.

I tested it in Beasbog.

It does not slow the hammer with 5 stacks.

[dusty yarrow]

with Blam locked?

[proud field]

No.

Should It be?

[dusty yarrow]

The bug only happens if they are locked.

[proud field]

Oke, but I don't see why would you lock it?

[dusty yarrow]

Just a few tests to see if the bonk bonk would get faster

[proud field]

Then, it's not really bugged in a conventional way.

You lock a skill and it gets slower, you do not lock cause you lose nothing and it works as it should.

It could be that the Blam skill is tied to the animation and thus the speed of the hammer. Locking it makes it not know what to do cause spaghetti code and becomes slower. But locking the skill adds nothing to us as summoners, that's why I see it as a non conventional bug.

[unborn terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19rufBVsT9M

Summoner. Altar Tank/marked Rotation 💀

[proud field]

Could I see the F3 of this summoner?

[slow jasper]

holy

strong cat

[slow jasper]

I havent gone to altar yet so enlighten me here. Is 30% mech spawn random mini spot instead of clockwise?

what if it spawn right at the place at I have just lured those poison pools

[outer hamlet]

as summoner if clones are too far i just ignore first lazer
2nd lazer will petrify 1st and 2nd spawned
3rd lazer will petrify thoes who spawn next to me

[proud field]

Sokka what's your best dps there?

Since you're sun+def hammers.

[outer hamlet]

i dont use metter anymore too depressing

[proud field]

The dude was doing 145k's with an average of 170k DPS.

[slow jasper]

Does poison pool actually do anything to you or just dealing dmg?

[proud field]

Something I don't have stats for.

[proud field]

Dmg.

But in stacks.

More stacks will hurt you.

[slow jasper]

ah

[outer hamlet]

if you are woried about poison pool go on pilar late
the buff prevent you from geting poison from pools
also it dont do that mutch dmg

[proud field]

I think my best was 130k DPS.

With managing focus. (Sun+speed hammers)

Pure sunflower would probably do more.

[outer hamlet]

couldn't tell u, not too woried about dps these days also use exp baddges on everything but WB and BT

if mantras cooldown were independant it would be way easier

[onyx relic]

No, i love it! Feels very chaotic!

[slow jasper]

+1

are we in anycase would favor focus mantra over crit/crit dmg?

[solid kestrel]

you want one focus mantra, rest crit
once you have 4 mantra slots you can slot in even more effects

[proud field]

I have 2 focus mantras.

[slow jasper]

dang

I was use 2 focus mantras

but switched to crit/crit dmg instead

now I always see my focus at the bottom

[proud field]

I'm sun+speed, 1 focus mantra was not enough.

And even with 2, it's not "easy".

[solid kestrel]

someone pls donate a timestream

[slow jasper]

pls donate me a timestream also

why on earth does Summoner have to deal with focus issue tho

the mystic badge is also for focus mainly

[proud field]

Not enough unless it's awak.

[solid kestrel]

if only transcend ts wasn't like 700k gems

even true ts is too weak now if you have gold line

you'd rather use the dgs for other gear and simply use one more focus skill

[outer hamlet]

leg drain 24s cd 16m 🙏

[slow jasper]

😭

leg 1 when