That's speed strike, no?
#Summoner
lament skiff
slow jasper
yeah, that is speed hammer and rumblebee
she used sunflower back then but now move to rumblebee
Guess might because of the AP scale increasing of the balance patch
zinc vault
wait is that boss really just a copy of the mao boss
rotation is the exact same
they added some aoe on the ground and an extra cone and called it a day 
proud field
The bosses are not new.
lament skiff
What's a mao?
zinc vault
zinc vault
this was the first boss in the solo dungeon
proud field
Speed hammer+sf is only viable on world boss/dummy
You'd say that the dps is lower as a summoner unless you're using def hammers and not speed hammers? (yes in dungeons, maybe raids)
lament skiff
dps is lower as a summoner
outer hamlet
i'd say skiping on 10% def- for 6/12 is trolling IF they can apply it perma
if you can't spamm the hammer this means you are out of focus so you are trolling
proud field
Just like with everything, it needs proper gear, and in this case I understand the World Boss Weapon is BiS with keeping focus up.
outer hamlet
from what i'v seen with corona he do top1 on WB but cant do perma def- and summoner+cat is lower dps than me on yeti
but maby i am wrong because of new mantras there is no focus issue with normal weapon
proud field
but maby i am wrong because of new mantras there is no focus issue with normal w...
I mean if you'd be using speed hammers there might be issues with Light Weapon.
outer hamlet
if no WB weapon you'd have to -> comunion->3 strike every 10 sec dont focus on dmg just use it as a no poison def-
proud field
if no WB weapon you'd have to -> comunion->3 strike every 10 sec dont focus on d...
If you'd not use the speed hammers as damage, then that's a waste in my book.
outer hamlet
you could be struck by a 3 bound speed hammer hajong
proud field
you could be struck by a 3 bound speed hammer hajong
I wouldn't say no to that.
outer hamlet
same
proud field
I think it's cool as a summoner, we have so many ways to play the class.
outer hamlet
i'd use them and reroll when class change ticket happens
proud field
Neo brought something new to the class.
proud field
i'd use them and reroll when class change ticket happens
That will be expensive.
proud field
still no idea why the def- hammer got the 5%cr buff
Cause the devs think we are "ok".
proud field
vine whip dead in the ditch
It's ok at a first glance, then we noticed that, it's actually a bit bad. Not entirely though, but not BiS as far as I see it.
outer hamlet
with the marginals buff we get it gives the impression we are on pars with WTD like 10% less dps on same gear xd
proud field
To be able to see a difference in classes, we need players of the same gear, dps parse.
Not stacks against stacks, cause that's not the same.
Purple stacks won't be better even if more in number than Legendary stacks.
maiden flint
i had completely forgotten that vine whip replaces hammer, was thinking to build 30gm + def down
why cant it just replace something else
outer hamlet
friend with leg beam went from 1/2 my dps to same dps when he got WTD gm18 pretty clear to me
proud field
friend with leg beam went from 1/2 my dps to same dps when he got WTD gm18 prett...
That's what I'm saying, the Leg skill itself is amazing.
outer hamlet
we need leg pirkly
proud field
What are you guys's thoughts on 1x focus mantra instead of crit rate?
outer hamlet
i dont like focus mantra because it can prock when full focus
but rn if you are full x3 leg sure go 24%cd 12%cr 40%focus
proud field
but rn if you are full x3 leg sure go 24%cd 12%cr 40%focus
You added to much %.
How are you getting 24% cd?
outer hamlet
proud field
Geez, yea, did the math and Purples did not get me there. 
lament skiff
I wonder what 4x subu will be
outer hamlet
x4 leg is half the max so 6%cr or 12%cd
you can max out an effect with 8 leg mantras instead of 9 on 2 accessorys instead of 3
so i'd say go cr+cd+APevery Xsec+1/2focus
summoner dont do enouth hit to go 5%chance to hit AP
lament skiff
I meant the 4th mantra slot on weapon
outer hamlet
You can do 4 mantra on everything
lament skiff
I thought it was only weapons
lament skiff
The new skill appears to be the exact same for summoner
lament skiff
Did they remove the ability to reroll books for 4 frags?
slow jasper
lament skiff
It looks like it was replaced by the whale skill transmute
solid kestrel
last i checked reroll was still there o.o
solid kestrel
where is that from?
lament skiff
The KR probability site https://probability.plaync.com/bns/view?probCategoryId=6744482ee5827342da94e81b
elder wyvern
Speed hammer+sf is only viable on world boss/dummy
Sunflower op
solemn oar
WTB Leg Hornet 
white spade
WTB leg hornet Taiwan 
sour fulcrum
slow jasper
elder wyvern
WTB leg strike speed increase
outer hamlet
Sold EU
elder wyvern
WTB legendary Strike (Speed Increase) 20k
lament skiff
Anyone tried to fight yunsang?
proud field
Anyone tried to fight yunsang?
I did like a week ago, didn't kill him, but since I wiped, I decided it's not worth spending 3 min if not more for it to be done.
lament skiff
I found a video on YT but it doesn't really translate into usable skills
proud field
You technically, want X iframe (5hits), then you want to never get hit by his spins, you can use taunt, but it won't benefit to much. You just jump his jump waves, and dps, that's about it. (aside of iframing)
Because he hits harder than you'd want, (Like Naksun used to), it takes longer to kill and the rewards are not great.
brave oracle
WTB Purple Sunflower EU x1
zinc vault
Anyone tried to fight yunsang?
killed him a few times
lament skiff
My cat keeps dying lol
zinc vault
do you have any questions?
dude
just keep it behind the boss xD
let me stalk you a bit
okey you have besties
you should stay in front of the boss and move so cat is always behind it
and use besties if cat needs it
lament skiff
I think it's the red skill that takes it out
brave oracle
WTB Heroic Sunflower (purple) EU
broken umbra
WTB Heroic Strike Speed & Cheer up [NA]
lament skiff
Ah so I'm just timing it wrong
zinc vault
it's the usual wait 2 seconds or so and press it
after the pull
or just smash 4 if you had tab escape
btw
do you even need the cat?
proud field
You do for the stun, which is kinda needed.
zinc vault
you got it a bit easier since you use whip
lament skiff
a pinned mob is a safe mob
lament skiff
no cat = 1 less cc recovery
snow valley
And at least one less cc.
proud field
Summoner without a cat is dead in the water.
lament skiff
lol i got to 12%
proud field
Gotta not get hit when he spins in one direction.
You can block (4) that, but have to be careful when he tries the other attacks.
slow jasper
Anyone tried to fight yunsang?
there is one guy in my server already done it
he faced off perpendicularly when Yunsang does the spin attack
lament skiff
Yeah staying about 4m away is enough time to react to that
I’m struggling with getting cc and chain grabbed
brave oracle
WTB Purple Sunflower EU Human Price
outer hamlet
maiden flint
was this ever real? did kr get rid of it and we never got it yet?
dusty yarrow
was this ever real? did kr get rid of it and we never got it yet?
In Korea, 30gm is our 48gm
and the new 48gm gives 5% crit rate
lament skiff
It was never real for us T_T
Although Kac did some thorough testing of 48gm
We'll find out in Jan what it's going to do after the balancing changes
Oh anyone reach 100% acc on Yeti?
dusty yarrow
was this ever real? did kr get rid of it and we never got it yet?
wait this print is old
maiden flint
yeah it keeps changing idk
zinc vault
i started playing with prickly again to test how annoying it is to keep up the 5 poison stacks
tbh it's not that bad
a lot more manageable than doing c more often imo
lament skiff
I posted the KR gm effects the other day
hard hamlet
slow jasper
dusty yarrow
hard hamlet
proud field
tbh it's not that bad
But does it increase your DPS by a huge margin? (If you maintain 5 stacks?)
hard hamlet
zinc vault
it does increase it but not by much
cant really remember the difference but gonna test it once i log in and hit the dummy
maiden flint
I think I get about +10k DMG per flower
zinc vault
0.9 x AP additional damage whatever that means
zinc vault
for me it's like 19k / super sunflower cast on dummy
proud field
So that's close to 20k DPS on top of what your normal dps is? (From keeping 5 poison stacks on your target?)
zinc vault
it's not up all the time and you do less against higher level bosses
so more like what aco wrote
lament skiff
Isn't the poison bonus only on SSF?
zinc vault
yep
proud field
So all in all, is it worth removing one or two purple 🌻's for lb and prickly? (Would it add or waste DPS?)
dusty yarrow
Any link for the kr preview
brave oracle
WTB Purple Sunflower X1 EU
lament skiff
Those still sit in my mailbox
slow jasper
that was yesterday
today reward
random bound purple skill
tmr is one day left
hopefully something actually good
like leg selection for example
slow jasper
your cat will got the bonus movement speed if your cat is the one kill the Yeti on MSP
😭 but not yourself
hard hamlet
buff sum sum weak 
slow jasper
brave oracle
WTB Heroic Sunflower EU x1
lament skiff
a ductile, a blue fusion, and a random purple?
slow jasper
yeah
lament skiff
well it's better than nothing
lament skiff
Is it too early to say EU/NA got nothing
frail imp
này là sv nào vậy bạn ?
slow jasper
này là sv nào vậy bạn ?
Taiwan
proud field
Question, since I just had a chat over the Drain skill with another player. What are you guys's thoughts on not having the purple skill, and removing it. Do we lose more than we'd gain from let's say a Purple/Blue Sunflower in the place of that Purple Drain?
I'm asking cause in most cases, we're not always close to the target and we still want to press 2 (Drain), so that we proc our badge, but we're not close and thus we do not gain the Drain attributes.
lament skiff
You're not standing in melee?
Unrelated, is Snare a real CC skill that fills the bar
zinc vault
you not gonna enjoy when you're doing content where your crit-rate is lower and need focus
lament skiff
Or is it just useless on bosses
proud field
you not gonna enjoy when you're doing content where your crit-rate is lower and ...
But in situations were you're not close, getting focus from Drain is useless if you're above 5m at all times.
proud field
Unrelated, is Snare a real CC skill that fills the bar
If you mean prickly, if it crits you get focus.
lament skiff
Our default 1
zinc vault
i'd say it's worth keeping and just try to move close
if the target has no cc bar you can root it in place
they can use skills
against anything that has a cc bar it's useless
proud field
Our default 1
Our 1 is useless. Works in situations like having mobs on you, you snare them, they stay in one place for a while. That's it.
Example, beastbog, you gather them on you, you press 1, they get snared, they won't attack for like 4 seconds technically.
So then it's decided it's better than have Drain and not use it as often, than to need it and not have it to be used.
zinc vault
i think so
zinc vault
that too
slow jasper
Question, since I just had a chat over the Drain skill with another player. What...
I think it will also depend on how much GM you are having in your sunflower too
like from 0gm -> 6gm will increase 11.4% damge which is 1.9% each GM
but from 48gm -> 54gm will increase 6.6% damge which is 1.1% each GM
slow jasper
my first ever leg skill is leg speed hammer
lament skiff
Congrats!
slow jasper
proud field
<:kry:1129092724491034654> my first ever leg skill is leg speed hammer
Rumble, 
proud field
Ew on both unless dps is equal to sunflower.
dusty yarrow
WTB Rumlebees x6 purple NA
slow jasper
Ew on both unless dps is equal to sunflower.
it might on the balance patch
soulbade damge went from 334% -> 1800% on hit
but it also provide bleed
boss in raid heals like 1.3m HP/s
idk why the heck ncs added that stuff
man I want leg rumblebee, 1s cast is kinda annoy
elder wyvern
WTB leg rumblebee
slow jasper
proud field
man I want leg rumblebee, 1s cast is kinda annoy
But leg rumble is 5 sec cd with crit is instant, so .. it's not really that great?
proud field
soulbade damge went from 334% -> 1800% on hit
But this then goes buff buff to sunflower also?
slow jasper
But this then goes buff buff to sunflower also?
yes, it from 110% to 170% as I remember correctly
slow jasper
But leg rumble is 5 sec cd with crit is instant, so .. it's not really that grea...
Rumblebee deal damage over time. The target still receiving damge while you can stack up more
In the previous day a make a dps dummy check with this guy
he was dealing like 118k and his cat 105k
with a total of 223k dps
slow jasper
yeah, with the upcoming balance patch, huge buff for hornet and rumble
sf get minimum buff but yeah it already very strong
proud field
Thing is even if rumble will somehow outdps every other spec, we can't just switch willynilly which sucks.
Cause of course everybody would want to play best high spec.
However how is rumble in a pvp scenario?
It has or will have bleed but will it get applied, does the DMG impact a player as it does a mob?
proud field
Cause of course everybody would want to play best high spec.
This is until perhaps they balance the DMG between the 3 specs, unless the patch is to balance the DMG.
slow jasper
However how is rumble in a pvp scenario?
I was pvping with this Des yesterday
I thought the hammer would deal such crazy damge there since it's leg
proud field
Well hopefully we get the full patch.
proud field
His crits are kinda low, and if he can't almost one shot your cat as a des, he's doing something wrong.
If we ever get the skill to instant summon the cat like live has it, then the fun begins.
slow jasper
He can kill me and my cat if he land crit X, Im only 250k HP
WTD Fm and Excute Des
😭
proud field
Exactly, so if he dies it's more or less a skill issue and low stats.
slow jasper
elder wyvern
WTB legendary rumblebee or trashbook
slow jasper
I feel like, the cat is getting more cc immuted when using leg hammer than using purple hammer
Like I did play this build before
but sometimes it still got CCed with constantly CC attacks from boss
And now with leg hammer, the cat didnt get CC at all the entire daily run
ncs coding I guess
proud field
No, it's intended but not typed in the description.
Just like having any q skill book will make the cat not get cc'd from yellow attacks.
But not having any book will make her get pushed left and right from any yellow attacks.
(I mentioned that a while ago cause it's frustrating)
frail imp
WTB SunFlower + Def Reduction Leggy
slow jasper
😭 found a bug about rumblebee. By standing further than 14m, your rumblebee flying time messes up with the system calculator and I can cast instantly rumblebee forever as long as I crit
@outer hamlet
proud field
As long as you crit it was always instant.
slow jasper
As long as you crit it was always instant.
nope, it's not. The extra cast whether crit or not, it will go into CD
slow jasper
<:kry:1129092724491034654> my first ever leg skill is leg speed hammer
look here
proud field
Then, it's not working as it should.
From what I can see there, you do no cast instantly, the timer goes down faster as you crit.
Right?
slow jasper
Right?
I didnt use speed hammer, so there wasnt any factor that make the CD go off so fast like that
proud field
Then I'm not sure anymore. 
slow jasper
The 30gm description it's not clear enough, now I dont know which one is the correct one
slow jasper
made a bug report for it. Perhap they may not fix it I assume and just add some more clearer text into the gm effect
buggiest class
dusty yarrow
WTB Rumblebee purple NA
lament skiff
Does the hit from Rumble need to crit to reset, or does the dot critting count
slow jasper
Does the hit from Rumble need to crit to reset, or does the dot critting count
only on-hit
the first hit when it attach to the target
lament skiff
You're getting a lot of additional hits in that video
slow jasper
yeah, that's the point
but in here
#1456999927795421274 message
just one addional cast only
outer hamlet
Looks like the vid y shared a while ago where they could do 3-4 insta cast/normal cast
Reminds me of sunflower 48 good old times (3month ago) where you could use the delay of overflow to send a SSF that would give you a photo stack
proud field
We've been losing stacks (for a while) cause of blocking.
If that's intended it's eF'd up.
digital bramble
WTB PM
shut scarab
Leggy hornet doesn't alllow you to spam bees like mad?
Or it still had a little cd on the skill
lament skiff
No cd, just cast time
I think there was very little diff between purple and yellow because of gcd
But that was a few patches ago
dusty yarrow
Or it still had a little cd on the skill
cd yes, cast no
slow jasper
shut scarab
any sunflower build guide outhere?
dusty yarrow
any sunflower build guide outhere?
outer hamlet
WTB legi def shred hammer
outer hamlet
dude let's make a deal stop wasting gold
proud field
dude let's make a deal stop wasting gold
It's probably a brag than wanting to sell it.
slow jasper
dude let's make a deal stop wasting gold
😭
anyway? what price is likely gotta be suitable?
17k?
wondering in NA
outer hamlet
It's probably a brag than wanting to sell it. <:Cozzydo:1395174869619970088>
same dude got a SF 65 hammer 40 and besties 33 might be flexing indeed
proud field
I often think it's a flex. But then again, they throw the bait and if a naive summoner bites, yolo.
outer hamlet
anyway? what price is likely gotta be suitable?
tradable legi are hella expensive rn
there is none and gold is high
friend sold a trash for 28k
slow jasper
tradable legi are hella expensive rn
there is none and gold is high
friend sol...
holy
it's likely around 13k - 15k in TW
lavish wren
1k gems is 2$ and most people that'd buy books now rmt so it's not even suprising
lament skiff
New exploit?
lavish wren
it's not new gem prices are dropping since the hajoon boxes came out
same reason why gold prices are so high
slow jasper
1k gems is 2$ and most people that'd buy books now rmt so it's not even suprisin...
1k per 2$? that cheap af
lament skiff
I think those are the unofficial rates
shut scarab
good day everybody
did u guys use doom n bloom?
cuz it's so annoying to press f to talk with the npc the skill activates
pale turret
Can you tell me pls how much the sunflower build dominates the others right now, or are hornet and rumblebees not far away in terms of damage?
shut scarab
bees are for support only i guess
def red but u can do both with sunflower and hammer build
but u will need leggy skill for that
proud field
Can you tell me pls how much the sunflower build dominates the others right now,...
Summoner on sunflowers dominates 99%.
proud field
cuz it's so annoying to press f to talk with the npc the skill activates
If you have no issue with focus recovery, remove DnG.
shut scarab
I think those are the unofficial rates
u mean g2g prices?
proud field
Did the last maint fix blocklist
Yes, Tested it just now.
lament skiff
Ah, farewell refrefref
slow jasper
Can you tell me pls how much the sunflower build dominates the others right now,...
With a fully leggies build I would say sunflower > rumblebee > hornet
But thing might changes in the upcoming balance patch
who know
sum in tw are likely to buy rumblebee and speed hammer now
mean while hornet is 170 diamond per
lament skiff
I thought the new outfit box would let you trade in 2 coins for another box
It's less gold efficient than the last one
torn tundra
yeah its bugged
shut scarab
yeah its bugged
kk ty milla
torn tundra
np ❤️
pale turret
thx all, I'm newbie sum, trying support for team and with ssf can't properly apply poison and -def without losing a bunch of damage
proud field
thx all, I'm newbie sum, trying support for team and with ssf can't properly app...
That's how it is on lower books. Anything below purple will give you trouble in terms of Focus.
The more Focus you lose, the less damage you'll do.
Also depending on the content you're doing because you're level 54, you'll miss higher level mobs/bosses.
Remove that Doom and Gloom blue book, that's useless.
Remove the Briar Patch blue book.
See if you can get the Overflow Seed Shroud.
Having the Defense Reduction blue book this early will only make you waste focus than helping your team.
Remove Heat Ray.
While having all those removed, add as much blue sunflowers you can.
Try and get the Virtuouse Mystic badge.
And Instead of Having Siren items, get the Blue Cloud items instead at first.
shut scarab
Remove Heat Ray.
Why heat ray if may ask? I new too and i was having trouble with my build.
For the cat what books are the best?
proud field
Why heat ray if may ask? I new too and i was having trouble with my build.
Because it's not a great skill.
You'd rather have Prickly.
shut scarab
You'd rather have Prickly.
For starter green book r?
lament skiff
Is pinning a dps loss for you?
solemn oar
After patch, rumble will be a bigger source of damage, so pinning as rumble shouldnt feel AS bad
slow jasper
https://youtu.be/lPUHmFYlGoM
hopy
rumblebee champ
why the video brightness was like so low
dusty yarrow
why the video brightness was like so low
hdr with obs issues
slow jasper
😭
still a good pov video of a rumblebee sum
ya forgot to put Remember to hit the like, share and subscribe button at the end of the video
still no 48gm rumblebee?
dusty yarrow
still no 48gm rumblebee?
I need leg hammer for this
or other bee
no lucky on hajon boxes
slow jasper
yeah, I tested out back in the day, 48gm rumblebee boost the damge a lot compare to 30gm. But hungry for focus af 😭
slow jasper
no lucky on hajon boxes
holy, three times in a row
just curious but, like in average how much $ per a leggy?
outer hamlet
Pin is still a huge loss with 48 because it's the hammer that reduce the cooldown
slow jasper
today is 30~40
exchange to $ would be?
outer hamlet
I bouldnt bother espetialy in bt you most likely have a second summoner to go from 40 to 50% shred they can do the pin
dusty yarrow
exchange to $ would be?
outer hamlet
30k is like 70$
slow jasper
Pin is still a huge loss with 48 because it's the hammer that reduce the cooldow...
agree, it's good in live but not for NEO. While pinning your teammates wont gain that much dps beside not having to worry about focus lost
slow jasper
dusty yarrow
I bouldnt bother espetialy in bt you most likely have a second summoner to go fr...
In that case, I'll only grab it when the other summoner is on CD
outer hamlet
Honestly imma ditch focus pin and drain sooner or later
slow jasper
in TW it would be around 87$ according to NCS price
dusty yarrow
in TW it would be around 87$ according to NCS price
It's still expensive =x
slow jasper
😭
300 bucks for a leggy still
ncs getting a big stonk from everyone for each leggy they have
outer hamlet
Btw dont bother with fire grenade 36s for 26xAP is sobad after buff it's less than a rumblebee
dusty yarrow
my fire grenade test is for aoe setup
I have another accessory just for that
iiifffffffff the 30gm works, maybe I wouldn't need this, but...
proud field
https://youtu.be/lPUHmFYlGoM
So this player doesn't have the badge for Drain? Cause I've not seen the summoner using it at all. (you don't need a book to use the skill, even from far away the badge gets used)
dusty yarrow
So this player doesn't have the badge for Drain? Cause I've not seen the summone...
its me
I have the badge, but use that skill isn't a priority
slow jasper
badge in rumblebee sucks tbh
slow jasper
I have the badge, but use that skill isn't a priority
considering switch your X to daybreak tho
help a lot in focus
I also use gimme light instead of drain
dusty yarrow
considering switch your X to daybreak tho
I use hive
proud field
I have the badge, but use that skill isn't a priority
But then you lose damage while having the badge. If you're not using the skill, the badge is kinda just stats.
slow jasper
It doesnt make much of a different anyway, since he is having 30gm only
would make a slightly dif with 48gm
but overall, badge still trash in rumblebee build
why ncs created such poor effect for it
proud field
Still a good run, I will learn from it since I haven't done it, yet. (Lair)
slow jasper
Do you guy have a new wp skin?
dusty yarrow
why ncs created such poor effect for it
good question
slow jasper
proud field
slow jasper
what duh
so only for TW
it has a little dragon effect and sound while using certain skills, huh thought this wp skin box is also available in NA/EU
outer hamlet
we ll get it as code during the stream surely
slow jasper
hopefully so
there are three boxes and one of them looks exactly like white light wp
slow jasper
This one is having a bug, that FM's bangle and Summoner's staff wp skin get switch place
so we will see FM holding the bangle like this
slow jasper
😭
cant see any sum holding this wp currently, it was like having two tails
like this
outer hamlet
but 91% cobalt hair is crazy when u can sell it for 10k in f5 since BSH release
slow jasper
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/287811029046657024/1459227305762095309/...
you guys get a rest suggestion each 1 hour?
havent seen that in TW
dusty yarrow
u can turn off this in options
slow jasper
hmm, I will look for it later
outer hamlet
game: it's been 268h boss take a break
dusty yarrow
game: it's been 268h boss take a break
lol
outer hamlet
tbf i dont think my internet is stable enouth to go for that long
sand panther
well, it is not possible to play that long, since there is a weekly maintenance
bleak wadi
https://youtu.be/lPUHmFYlGoM
good work alymm ❤️
slow jasper
proud field
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/287811029046657024/1459227305762095309/...
That thing only appears on girl characters?
dusty yarrow
nope
proud field
Because I have yet to see it on mine. (of course I have a make character)
dusty yarrow
needs to stay idle
proud field
needs to stay idle
I stood idle for minutes, nothing happened.
sand panther
not true, it bugs and shows during boss fights
proud field
Could I have been disabling it by mistake from settings?
proud field
I bet that it actually is, hold on.
dusty yarrow
yeah, check this
proud field
dusty yarrow
need active
proud field
And I see no Unicorn.
sand panther
so half of them can be broken
slow jasper
maby it have a dragon too
oh yeah it does
outer hamlet
maiden flint
dusty yarrow
this is no sense
outer hamlet
now that gold is more expensive skills should to
snow valley
Now I feel bad for selling my 4 sunflowers for 3k each three weeks ago. 🤷♀️
shut scarab
Now I feel bad for selling my 4 sunflowers for 3k each three weeks ago. 🤷♀️
2 weeks ago i see 1 for 2k
Just w8 until the collar event end and the gold will drop to 600 again lol
languid haven
WTB NA
slow jasper
5% crit buff next patch?
I heard that BM and Sum def shred will get overlapped each other
so maybe sum is gotta be good next patch?
proud field
I heard that BM and Sum def shred will get overlapped each other
Overlap as in, if one used it, the other can apply on top or it will just take over?
slow jasper
Overlap as in, if one used it, the other can apply on top or it will just take o...
fully take over? Not sure. I remember someone was discussing about this in the main chat
cuz NCS didnt add this change to patch note in KR also
the higher % shred buff will overlap on top of the lower one ofc
proud field
So now they're broken and they won't be after or viceversa.
outer hamlet
so stone slash for every bm it is ?
slow jasper
or lighting draw
okay now the hammer gotta be expensive than the core dps skill for sure
I might draw back to hornet nest build tho, for 50% shred
undone falcon
WTS - taking offers - PMSOLD
proud field
I'm not sure if I ever asked this or if it was asked but do you gain/lose DPS if we keep right mouse click down or if we keep on clicking the mouse right click?
What are you guy's thoughts?
slow jasper
you mean holding the button vs constantly clicking it?
proud field
Yup.
slow jasper
hmm, I find myself clicking will be better
cuz of the ping
but i use xmouse
so apparently Im still holding the button while the game still receieve as clicking
proud field
So if the ping is around 24, clicking might be better than if the ping is 5 and then holding the click would be better?
proud field
I'll have to check when I get home.
dusty yarrow
I'm not sure if I ever asked this or if it was asked but do you gain/lose DPS if...
To the people I asked why they use macros, they all replied that it's because the cat bugs
sand panther
I have a macro for rmb to spam letter t
proud field
To the people I asked why they use macros, they all replied that it's because th...
What does the cat have to do with T?
She's not involved, unless you mean speed hammers.
Then you need to spam T with those hammers.
dusty yarrow
I was told that the C/V aren't as responsive if u hold rmb
Sometimes they didn't even work
That's what they told me
proud field
It is. At least I never noticed my cat not doing a kd while I hold T.
dusty yarrow
When I played Sunflower, I hadn't noticed that.
proud field
Same, no issues.
dusty yarrow
it has been like 3 weeks without seeing any rumblebee on the market
There's always one for sale here
slow jasper
😭
dusty yarrow
Same, no issues.
Do the test for us
1 min using macro vs holding
u just have to use the cat's skills during that time
proud field
In like 2h I should be home. I'll try it out.
dusty yarrow
frail imp
we have krilios the tester 
slow jasper
cool
bought a leggy hornet
sold my leg hammer
😭
I still love rumblebee tho, but couldnt find 1 single leg on the market for like 1 month
and also couldnt resist an 11k leg hornet just now
snow valley
I was told that the C/V aren't as responsive if u hold rmb
Yeah, sometimes I have to spam key for cat to react if I hold rmb.
dusty yarrow
dusty yarrow
using my other accessory 48 / 48
slow jasper
slow jasper
back to hornet then
proud field
Dummy, lvl 65, Right Mouse Click down (RB/T), maintaining honey with 2, 3, X and have used SoulCore 2 times for 1 min 11 sec as duration of fight, doing around 200k dps.
Dummy, lvl 65, "Clicking" RB/T, maintaining honey with 2, 3, X and have used SoulCore 2 times for 1 min 11 sec as duration of fight, doing around 203k dps.
Did a couple of tries both ways, same outcome. Now I haven't checked how rng the crit rate was, but it shows perhaps that Not holding down sunflower (in this case) might be better.
If you guys have more insight, cause I started with Holding down and never questioned it.
proud field
A few more tests, not sure if this is just random, but "clicking" T, and not the mouse right click, gives better dps overall. (might be placebo at this point, I'm not entirely sure)
shut scarab
For those who played the live version of summoner, leg hornet let u spamm bees like a machine gun?
Or it's just slow like purple one
slow jasper
Or it's just slow like purple one
still slow, it has global cool down
It has a little bit of a ringing sound tho, quite fun to play
feel like im actually playing a fantasy charater
compare to having a cat spaceship in live 😭
tidal apex
If you guys have more insight, cause I started with Holding down and never quest...
I remember this from live server. Macro that spams t while holding rmb gave more dps than just holding rmb the normal way
shut scarab
What does overflow in wind summ?
slow jasper
What does overflow in wind summ?
wdym?
shut scarab
wdym?
I ask if getting 10 stacks pf overflow does anything to hornet?
More dmg or something?
Or just for focus recovery
slow jasper
Or just for focus recovery
yeah, just forcus recovery
hornet does drain your focus a lot if you dont crit
slow jasper
hard hamlet
proud field
The lighting on the sum?
proud field
So you're saying we're getting that and I won't be able to see what's in front of me?'
chilly galleon
does legendary hornet let you gattling gun the bees?
dusty yarrow
does legendary hornet let you gattling gun the bees?
nope
dusty yarrow
@chilly galleon its like a bell
slow jasper
slow jasper
what does the insta cast even do then rather than .5
You wont be relying too much on crit anymore
and also every crit hornet make honey 0.5s longer due to 30gm
because there isnt any 0.5s delay anymore, honey can be extended quite effective with leg
chilly galleon
ahhh ty for the info
slow jasper
So, will the balance patch come with the upcoming patch? Nothing yet about this been revealed from any region
chilly galleon
best patch notes are the ones written by players
slow jasper
well just in case if it does come, gotta make 1 min dummy dps test to compare before and after the buff
the sum buff is huge
chilly galleon
they need to buff hornet nest spawn rate on market... Ive only seen 1 blue book on market in 3 days 😭
slow jasper
it's dusty also in TW
proud field
the sum buff is huge
That's what she said.
slow jasper
😭
proud field
eF those hammers, who needs them.
slow jasper
50% shred and 5% crit
anyway
the buff is here
finally my class can deal some damage
also I thought
slow jasper
I'm on sunflower. Will my dps suck?<:bns_cry:1198678778906427532>
😭
the myth is "you dont need buff if you already strong"
proud field
eF rumble.
slow jasper
I play hornet so hopefully not get eFed
been like 1 month without seeing any rumblebee leg on the market
ded
proud field
Market in EU is kinda rip also.
proud field
lament skiff
Lol
Time to swap back?
slow jasper
Lol
Time to swap back?
I cant tho. There isnt any rumblebee on the market
that's the reason I swapped to Hornet
sold my hammer for 17k and bought Hornet for like 12k
but well yeah let see If the hornet buff from the balance patch worth staying
proud field
Make sunflower great again. 
lament skiff
Agree
dusty yarrow
buffs confirmed on tw
slow jasper
yep
dusty yarrow
can u do some log on dummy before maint?
slow jasper
I did but hadnt yet looked at the log, around 124k in 2mins is all I could remember
it's 2am in the morning so
shut scarab
I cant tho. There isnt any rumblebee on the market
How's the rotation with rumblebees?
slow jasper
How's the rotation with rumblebees?
with leg rumblebee and leg speed hammer, just spam LMB, RMB and C
lament skiff
no codes?
lament skiff
Ah
bleak wadi
can u do some log on dummy before maint?
OH NOOO i forgot to test 🥲🥲🥲🥲
outer hamlet
i call the whales
can we do some testing on this
description is often lacking and ingame might just be more inacurate
dusty yarrow
OH NOOO i forgot to test 🥲🥲🥲🥲
sad
outer hamlet
if gm30 stack a poison /consume any poison/refresh stacks
and if 48 actualy gives the crit buff
there was some patches in kr where it didn't work
dusty yarrow
48 works
now if refresh the stack, I dont know
in 2 hrs someone can test that
outer hamlet
i can test if i get a good hammer in the free book
dusty yarrow
i can test if i get a good hammer in the free book
GL
chilly galleon
Praying to rng gods for leg hornet
outer hamlet
hard hamlet
shut scarab
Are we getting the skill changes in this patch?
shut scarab
Kek I'm subflower too
dusty yarrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1443126216914894951/1444934525644832778/image.png?ex=69711764&is=696fc5e4&hm=0cd454e10571808bb958de554ead806f64bd0cb72b2a1c7448bb95d518669cc3&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1443126216914894951/1444934570117038112/image.png?ex=6971176f&is=696fc5ef&hm=96208d8256cdbb43ea85bd5eb12035ab0cf82bae73e53c2162abeb34d87d8083&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1443126216914894951/1444934596167991348/image.png?ex=69711775&is=696fc5f5&hm=d97d26b0fd27cac8099dfc4d8c2b1f9f4dd1503b35e68fcd89dbcffa150e02c5&
outer hamlet
from 8.5 to 9.4 no poison so tiny more than 10%
from 9.4 to 10.3 poison so tiny less than 10%
slow jasper
badge also increased
outer hamlet
i am counting badge
slow jasper
outer hamlet
110% bonus damage in badge is like adding a 1.1xAP multiplier too your ability
not counting gm tho 80% is 0.8xAP
not expecting an increase larger than 10k on lair
my buff will come from the P2W events
shut scarab
Rn what is better, bees or flower?
dusty yarrow
Rn what is better, bees or flower?
what is better for u?
shut scarab
I have no build rn that's why im asking xD
outer hamlet
open your random legi after update it might just decide for you
slow jasper
open your random legi after update it might just decide for you
yes, let open vine whip
slow jasper
Rn what is better, bees or flower?
depend on what you prefer? wanna be a support sum or dps
slow jasper
what a greedy
might be rumblebee?
it had bleed and def shred tho
expect to be more dmg than hornet nest
slow jasper
bleed and def shred
shut scarab
Ohhh ic
slow jasper
the raven in BT heals like 2m HP/s so applying bleed fulltime like rumblebee is also a good thing
outer hamlet
btw does the bee poisson folow he boss if it moovs ?
slow jasper
yeah, it does move. But It starts to dissappear once the boss goes out of your range (16m)
outer hamlet
sometimes bosses do buged jump where debuffs are not applied and the randomly cleans themselfs / some mobs you can't apply debuffs
slow jasper
😭
each hornet before buff I dealt around 95k per
now it's 140k per
and LMB also deal big damge
dusty yarrow
157k???
slow jasper
yeah
dusty yarrow
not bad
chilly galleon
that 250% on hornet going to cook
shut scarab
Hornet goes with def shred bonk right?
slow jasper
But I opened this thing tho, idk if I should change back or not
slow jasper
Hornet goes with def shred bonk right?
yes, shredding bonk
chilly galleon
whats your crit and crit dmg?
slow jasper
dusty yarrow
But I opened this thing tho, idk if I should change back or not <:kry:1129092724...
I'll test if 30gm works
soon
slow jasper
no free class exchange as they told
chilly galleon
god if only I could roll crit on my soul shields
slow jasper
somehow
dusty yarrow
check f10
slow jasper
nope, not there either
dusty yarrow
chilly galleon
wow, pls rownen pull us another miracle
slow jasper
outer hamlet
how do you get this
slow jasper
what duh
chilly galleon
we have a countdown, wicked
remember in live, when they would say sorry we have delayed it for another hour, then another hour, then again
outer hamlet
hmm
chilly galleon
haHAA
outer hamlet
the countdown can go up lool
chilly galleon
NOOOOO
chilly galleon
the countdown can go up lool
slow jasper
dusty yarrow
outer hamlet
what does this means ?
chilly galleon
like, uhh, I know the hammer, bees, hornet, sunflower
are there more
that the leggy box can roll
shut scarab
Hahaha maybe u do
outer hamlet
there is 8 leg book
shut scarab
Oh besties too
outer hamlet
3rmb
3c
2z
outer hamlet
https://yast.vercel.app/?lang="EN"&p="NEOEU210126"&subView="TraitView"&class="Summoner"&spec=0 you can look at this
dusty yarrow
What's the other c after 2 hammers?
vine
dusty yarrow
has two
outer hamlet
yeh it suk
shut scarab
Mb
dusty yarrow
I thought it was in 2 like live xd
in 2 is thorn strike
chilly galleon
vine whip summ was so fun in live
dusty yarrow
c is vine whip
shut scarab
vine whip summ was so fun in live
Alot of dmg wind summ
But never played cuz of my high ping in there
:'k
chilly galleon
why they make melee skills for summ
outer hamlet
because summ have so mutch mobility it's not a problem to go from range to mele to range 🙃
lament skiff
hop on the cats back
chilly galleon
having to walk up to the boss to use drain and D&G 
shut scarab
having to walk up to the boss to use drain and D&G <:bns_cry:1198678778906427532...
Put the q focuz recovery and forget about dng xD
I'm done with trigger by accident when i was about to talk with a npc
chilly galleon
fr
outer hamlet
hop on the cats back
would be so dope actualy
lament skiff
zinc vault
gg hammer is even worse than it was
it doesnt apply poison anymore
if you wanted to use the 5% crit-rate just forget about it
lament skiff
It never applies poison
shut scarab
it doesnt apply poison anymore
U mean it doesn't reset poison r?
lament skiff
It has never refreshed poison for NA/EU
It added 1 stack if you were between 1 and 3 at 48gm
zinc vault
before patch if you used c with 1 stack it moved to 2 stacks
now it doesnt do that anymore
slow jasper
zinc vault
so you either use 5 lmbs before c which is awful
proud field
Hammerless here I am. 
lament skiff
lol trashtastic
zinc vault
or use 1 lmb and wait 3 seconds which is awful too
you'll still use the hammer, but this "buff" is just useless
proud field
decided to salvage to rumblebee book
Didn't you say that rumble has more DPS than hornet?
slow jasper
Didn't you say that rumble has more DPS than hornet?<:bns_phew:11985250669258425...
yeah, but nah...
decided to be a simple cat
and throw bee only
couldnt let my cat to join the danger zone
😭
proud field
I can't wait to get home.
proud field
the new is beautiful tho with full setting
I play with everything max.
slow jasper
proud field
but drop fps in some zones
Moonwater in faction side does that.
broken umbra
guys, its just me or someone else is experiencing problems with the cat?
cat dmg isn't showing, and also my cat dmg before this update used to be around 53k on crit....
proud field
Speed hammers?
broken umbra
yess
proud field
I don't think it showed there before.
broken umbra
it did, i remember seeing the number getting up
proud field
Also wait you can see the hammer DMG. That's the cat.
broken umbra
and also cat is not crit anymore
slow jasper
guys, its just me or someone else is experiencing problems with the cat?
huh, I thought it already displayed "Strike: Speed Increase...."
broken umbra
Also wait you can see the hammer DMG. That's the cat.
yesss, is not showing on screen
broken umbra
like this number lmao
broken umbra
Maybe the cat just did not crit.
it used to crit
proud field
But it doesn't always crit. It's percentage.
broken umbra
i stayed there hitting for 1 minute and 0 crit from cat....
slow jasper
i stayed there hitting for 1 minute and 0 crit from cat....
hmm, I think it might got turned on in the setting?
slow jasper
there is an option to display your familiar's damge
broken umbra
there is an option to display your familiar's damge
it is on
proud field
That too. Perhaps you have the setting off.
slow jasper
hmm
broken umbra
proud field
I'm at work, even if I want I can't try.
slow jasper
I'm at work, even if I want I can't try.
+1
broken umbra
its k, im just trying to see if someone else noticed this
proud field
Check your cat's crit on P.
slow jasper
can you make a short clip with 30s doing rotation on dummy?
my friend was doing kinda normal with his rumblebee
broken umbra
can you make a short clip with 30s doing rotation on dummy?
sure, i will!
broken umbra
my friend was doing kinda normal with his rumblebee
hmmm maybe its because I'm a sunflower user....
slow jasper
lament skiff
cat needs its own double crit ss
-# this is a joke
slow jasper
i don't think its a sunflower problem, it seems cat is not crit
huh
slow jasper
this seems to be a prob that likely related to this
but if it was already on then
i have no idea
😭
my friend's cat's hammer still popup as usual
try reset to default maybe?
broken umbra
my friend's cat's hammer still popup as usual
is it crit?
slow jasper
yes
broken umbra
i'm not the only one with cat not crit too, but the other one is also sunflower user
proud field
Are you both similar gear/stats?
broken umbra
Are you both similar gear/stats?
nah.... sadly :/
