The only diff between dps and support spec is whether you slot whip vs hammer
#Summoner
lament skiff
slow jasper
🥀 how about lock C
rich yoke
WTS Na
lament skiff
Wasn't someone posting about wanting 2?
lament skiff
are there any summoner books in eu rn
lament skiff
Sadge
zinc vault
but tbf i dont think you can buy legendaries even
at least there is 1 guy who's trying to buy one for weeks now
lament skiff
Are there still summoners spinning the wheel?
lament skiff
F5 looks for every class looks like destro
solid kestrel
everyone is mentioning rich rayford 
i pinged him too
solid kestrel
am in his dms instead 
elder wyvern
Micee
outer hamlet
Idk about anything else
the cat spin after KD
the KD on blocking enemies
doom and gloom after 48
no more getting in combat instead of opening a chest
and of cource all sorts of knock up
snow valley
Why kd on blocking enemies? It's nice to have additional kd.
It was bugged on cold storage, and let you pin Mane with Cat if you were lucky.
outer hamlet
you can already pin a blocking enemy without kd
the spell takes priority on SF so you cant dps for like 1sec
snow valley
I see. But not many bosses use it. I only remember sisters in bsh and talus, and Winter Mane. I'll leave it for now.
gusty kiln
Thanks for the pings everyone
crisp stag
unless luisi gives up and tries to make one
i will...if i find a trash 4 sale. Not even those ones appear xD
lament skiff
Not enough people lol
outer hamlet
if ppl are only runing 6men it would take 840 ppl to empty theyr blessing in asura/nexus to get 1 book/day
proud field
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solemn oar
Not sure what rayfords doing with all these besties 
mans up to something
solemn oar
1 leg besties is super strong with the focus regen
I feel like the gm effects arent worth but thats just me
spiral dagger
even this 10% is enough
tbh
idk where u need to heal 30% every 24sec
u have to miss ur hands or have 2 left
outer hamlet
maybe it's for beluga 🤪
solemn oar
Could potentially be useful for boss 1/2 in bt? but even than thats still only 1 party
outer hamlet
6th leg SF gg
spiral dagger
6th leg SF gg
Loot or transmute??
outer hamlet
nah😭 luisinh0🫡
bought trash and all gold in marcket
went back up to 1250 when i looked
spiral dagger
Oh dude
But still cheaper than 55?
Or similar?
Congrats anyway 
Welcome to the yellow sf club
outer hamlet
3K gold is already 30k dg 💀
i dont trust the 10% after failing to reroll 1 of my weapon stats +/-50 times
spiral dagger
Yeah true
I upgraded my belt today so now I will farm gold for insignias and then true wb weapon
At the end of the year I should finish it
Just waiting for Albedo and Watame to finish their weapons
outer hamlet
remember keep your bad legendary insigna for leg+ on next patch
rich yoke
WTS NA
paper cave
heloo im new to summoner . besides purple sunflower that i cant get atm wut else skills i need ? in priority
spiral dagger
@proud field help him
solid kestrel
^this and i would also recommend prickly and possibly lunge (instead of venomous rosethorn) for your own poison
snow valley
heloo im new to summoner . besides purple sunflower that i cant get atm wut else...
Blue hive swarm, blue seed shroud: overflow, purp drain/blue gimme light, blue/purp daybreak, encouragement (wait, when tf did they chang purp besties name, lol), purp d'n'g, blue crouching tiger: def increase, purp power pounce/smothering paw (any). Fill rest with blue sunflowers.
snow valley
^this and i would also recommend prickly and possibly lunge (instead of venomous...
Imo poison is a trap, unless you can whale and use gold vine whip.
outer hamlet
i have this EU i can sell
will they get in party if they have no def down and no prpl SF ?
snow valley
I didn't see anyone asking for def down since exile. As long as he have encouragement and seed shroud: overflow, he should be good.
proud field
In order for anyone to recommend what you should pick, skill-wise, I'd need to know where you are right now, gear/skill-wise.
outer hamlet
so this ?
paper cave
new summoner
i got a purp doom and gloom already for free
didnt equip yet
why drain instead of gimme light
snow valley
Purple drain gives you honey, if you can't afford it get gimme light
outer hamlet
you can get a crit^2 earing for cheap now i belive i would recomand to put your prpl books on a good piece of accessory
drain is like doubl the price
paper cave
yea thats why i didnt put any purp yet
outer hamlet
damn the path to SF 30 is horible huh
proud field
Priority based on my own experience: Crouching Tiger: Defense Increase Blue, Seed Shroud: Overflow Blue, Drain Purple, Daybreak Purple, Smothering Paw Purple (Blue works also, OR any Purple Pin cause they all give party focus just that Smothering Paw is best in slot for now).
Lock Sunburst and Uppercut.
Depending how you want to play the Summoner class, either by being dps, or by hammering. Hammering will involve you getting a hammer and in need of poison skills. (New meta changed that so it won't be as needed unless you want to go and change your spec to Hornet to make it easier)
paper cave
isee
so instead of getting Daybreak u would get Drain purple right
at moment i can get only 1 more purple
oh drain is cheap
proud field
If you have to pick between Daybreak and Drain, both purples, then go for Drain. ( cause it will use your badge )
proud field
The prices are player made, so don't bother with that. Just make sure you can afford it.
paper cave
k
snow valley
gimme light expensive than drain
Wut? In EU purp drain is few hundreds dg vs gimme light being ~50-100dg.
outer hamlet
if u find a prpl for 100dg buy and sell back
snow valley
if u find a prpl for 100dg buy and sell back
I was talking about blue gimme light all the time.
outer hamlet
ahh ok
outer hamlet
one of the last skills that retain value 🫡
snow valley
this one a bit exp
Blue version helps you, purp version helps you and your party. So up to you how much you can spend.
paper cave
isee
lament skiff
Is anyone else lagging/dcing
proud field
Is anyone else lagging/dcing
No but my world chat stopped working for a while now. : )
snow valley
Is anyone else lagging/dcing
Few members of my guild had problems with game/chat today.
lament skiff
what a pain
proud field
Chat might come back if I restart the game, but it's quiet, I like it.
Lag, not on my side.
snow valley
what a pain
Oh, btw - we learned today that there is abuse prevention mechanism in lower nexus. If you dc when last form of Be Ido is up you can't enter dungeon after you reconnect. I guess they didn't want people to clear with OP party then let 5 weak characters get exp. 🤷♀️
lament skiff
lol
proud field
Oh, btw - we learned today that there is abuse prevention mechanism in lower nex...
Or it's the same "mechanic" that they had in Exile and other dungeons, where you had to get a party formed outside first, and then get inside. If you then were 6 inside, and one left, no one could rejoin, so the other 5 in this case had to be outside again to get a 6th.
They technically fixed that for Moonwater.
lament skiff
Yellow parties stopped getting locked a few parties ago
snow valley
~~Or it's the same "mechanic" that they had in Exile and other dungeons, where y...
It was characteristic of leg dungeons, but it was later "fixed".
Nexus is purp.
proud field
Exile was/is purple also.
lament skiff
Wait tomb of exile?
proud field
No my man, the Tree Exile.
lament skiff
Yellow exile!
proud field
Oh wait, you're right, it is yellow, I considered it Purple somehow. My bad.
elder wyvern
trying to find more sum for clan. Tough to find one more for Yeti
outer hamlet
wts EU
spiral dagger
chrome kiln
WTS NA
lament skiff
Wasn't there a guy looking for these in NA?
outer hamlet
@gusty kiln here we go again
bleak wadi
elder wyvern
GG wished speed but gg
paper cave
which one besides purp sunflower should i go next ?
or should i invest on gear besides more purple skills
outer hamlet
i'd tell u to just chill next week and wait for new patch
paper cave
oki
so i will save crystals
id like to level up but takes an entire day for half bar
outer hamlet
if you have hongmoon essences you can try to find a bracelet or a belt with crit rate or crit ramage and reroll the second stat to get both
do you do the pvp area for 30k exp ?
outer hamlet
you dont have to ki
paper cave
well i didnt have any purple before
outer hamlet
the quest tels u do do 30kill or grab 3 lanterns
outer hamlet
there are 7 lanterns some are not often taken in zone 70
you can cheez these, send ur cat press Q and grab the lantern
or just wait for zone 55 to deactivate
you also have 30min in lunar meadow thre is lv 70/60/55/50 mobs try to see with ne is best to do exp/time
paper cave
hmmm
outer hamlet
hmmm ?
paper cave
well i did the quest but
couldnt retrieve before maintenance
dem
its weekly or daily ?
outer hamlet
daily
paper cave
nah its okay then i can wait till after maintenance
outer hamlet
or wake up befor 6am 😭
outer hamlet
and skill book wise i think you only miss a prpl pin
paper cave
ah ye that pin that recover focus
outer hamlet
an other advice in general is to have alts to at least do jungado 2/week for green spetial insignas they are kinda hard to find in the wild
paper cave
thx for the tips i really need to level up ppl not accepting me on parties yet. im thinking on buying accs with crt dmg and rerolling second status
outer hamlet
may i intrest u in a belt
paper cave
Honey Extends Overflow or only helps to boost dps on earth ?
proud field
It's not an extender per say, it just adds it again.
proud field
Press Drain and Press 3, see what happens, how it "extends".
spiral dagger
he is asking about honey and if honey extends overflow
not about hive swarm (3) or drain (2)
or am i wrong?
proud field
No, I may have read it wrong.
Honey extends overflow, which puts you in super sunflower.
hard hamlet
meow :3
paper cave
Sometimes im using (2) Drain to get honey buff but doesnt work is that a bug or have something like global cd ?
proud field
5m away it works. More than 5 it doesn't, but it still procs your soul badge.
proud field
Sure, each skill has its own range.
paper cave
Man gonna need to read all skills
proud field
Hover your mouse on them, you'll see.
slow jasper
Sometimes im using (2) Drain to get honey buff but doesnt work is that a bug or ...
🥀 I took the this out of my gear long time ago. Nonsense skill when you are a range class but need to stand close to the target
paper cave
Hmmm i think the same happens on F doom and gloom right?
slow jasper
Hmmm i think the same happens on F doom and gloom right?
yup but it's 8 meters
still consider close range
I lock dng already
proud field
Hmmm i think the same happens on F doom and gloom right?
Eventually I'd say that DnG will not be needed. But Drain is still needed unless you wanna stay far at all times and have legendary sunflower. (If focus is not a problem that is)
spiral dagger
even with leg sunflower we still have focus issues, not much like before but on high-level dungs like yeti atm it is still bad.
it is because we have low crit ratio, no skills to boost crit and it is what it is.. no crit = no focus
paper cave
it is because we have low crit ratio, no skills to boost crit and it is what it ...
🥹
Wish i had crit
paper cave
2k yet but i didnt make any changes on old ss they even have c/c as base
spiral dagger
I’m not talking about crit rate as a stat
I have 13,5k crit rate and it is too low for yeti with 76lvl
Neo % are just bad compared to live version
Only some classes can have like 80-90% crit rate
paper cave
spiral dagger
We just have 47-54% at best with detect
But when BT arrive, there will be CD for detect so our crit rate will be even lower
It is what it is
paper cave
So summ not worth playing? But its so fun >.<
spiral dagger
I didnt say that..
I’m main summoner and playing it on live version too
I just said we always have focus issues even if u think we don’t
Doesn’t matter if u have legendary sunflower or no
paper cave
So focus management is the main issue with the class even with legendary got it
spiral dagger
On lower dungs it is cool, I have like 70-80% but later it is just lower
No crit = no focus, like I said
We have focus regen with legendary sunflower on crit
paper cave
I got most of purple skills but i still need sunflower. Id like to ask if u guys can explain a basic rotation of the class. I need to know if im doing wrong. What do i need to know to make a good rotation and do good dmg
Can simplify
lament skiff
Hold SF and push focus regen before you get low
paper cave
me as a hornet player still having focus issue
rigid delta
Thank god they nerfed detect
Can't have people hitting a boss and getting focus back
dusty yarrow
Thank god they nerfed detect
nerf?
paper cave
whts the problem with detect
dusty yarrow
10sec cd, with bt patch
How many sec are there currently? 8?
spiral dagger
0
there is no cd for detect now
rn it is better to miss on boss, to have 2x 100% crits - so lower accuracy + detect
after that, just higher accuracy to miss sometimes (like 99% hit, would be the best) but our crit will be lower
from like 47-55% to 50% ig, but we'll see
dusty yarrow
F my no acc build
proud field
Whoever is selling these two. I can buy them right now for 6k each, get 12k in total as soon as you list them.
outer hamlet
ppl with 2nd acc geting ddos compensation into craft a prpl for a SF
kinda disgusting
outer hamlet
u sell ?
lament skiff
But who will take up the summoner banner
spiral dagger
triguun
humble wing
WTS (NA server) PMO---SOLD
slow jasper
have just changed from using venomous LB + hive swarm 3 -> photosynthesis LB + Doom n root F + Petal storm toss
lament skiff
Why
slow jasper
I wanna do more damge + AOE for msp so I switched to petal toss but in result of a lot of focus drop when there isnt any crit
so I also replaced LB with the photosynthesis one to constantly go into overflow stage for focus
but then I couldnt apply enough poison for the def down debuff
then I added doom and root
prob solve
snow valley
Then remove def reduction too if you removed poison.
slow jasper
nah, with petal storm toss and doom n root. I can still apply def down in fulltime
currently Im dealing like 7 - 8% more damge than the old one + aoe clear
snow valley
Imo unless you can whale drop poison entirely and never remove hive swarm - best honey skill so far.
slow jasper
yup, hive swarm still a very good one. A little bit regret when changing into petal storm.
But I get aoe clear + dealing 8% more in DPS
snow valley
I mean - sunflower is aoe, not poison.
snow valley
Oh, hornet. I see.
slow jasper
yes yes, Im surprised that I can still apply the def down buff fulltime without the venomous LB
will try this build like in a few more days to see if this have any struggle
spiral dagger
Play sunflower and get 48 GM def reduction
Problem solved
U have aoe + def down and no problems XD
spiral dagger
slow jasper
outer hamlet
WTS
lament skiff
paper cave
should i use this ?
paper cave
cuz i dont have anything on 1
zinc vault
if you dont use hammer it's a waste of skill slot
zinc vault
first of all, do you play bees or the superior spec
paper cave
Flower spec
zinc vault
if you use blue i'd not use hammer at all
zinc vault
since you use photo lmb you cant even use it even with prickly
paper cave
should i change photo lmb ?
paper cave
also i dont have smothering paw purple
zinc vault
cause it's already a struggle
gilded sierra
WTS NA Sacred Soul Badge, PM offer
slow jasper
it not much, purple hornet changes from x5.8 AP to x6.1 AP
mean while super sunflower get buffed from x5AP to x5.65AP
slow jasper
Also why do they add the queen bee effect thing when it's already existed?
New text description?
dusty yarrow
it not much, purple hornet changes from x5.8 AP to x6.1 AP
You forgot to take honey into account.
slow jasper
You forgot to take honey into account.
I recently drop honey and take petal storm toss instead, It is +7% dps for me. Not sure if this upcoming honey buff will overtake the toss
dusty yarrow
<:15009pepe:1386976483972481024> I recently drop honey and take petal storm toss...
currently petal is better
because honey give only 0.5
maybe with 1.20x and more crit hate, to extend, be better
need test
dusty yarrow
focus where
Focus is more for sunflower
But with more crits, we get more hornets.
until we get the leg
slow jasper
gusty kiln
WTB Leggy Bestie NA
lament skiff
Feels like it's been yeti for daily all week
solemn oar
You need the power of the hongmoon credit card
lament skiff
Platinum hongmoon card
gusty kiln
It is done
lament skiff
The bestiest!
dusty yarrow
It is done
outer hamlet
so is it perma +50% or it have a 3min CD ?
gusty kiln
So it's the same max hp increase but it lasts 60 seconds rather than 10
I totally misread the text and thought 48 gm added an additional 50% over the base no gm leggy. But nah I was wrong
Text a little weird. On the 48 it doesn't say "including yourself" like the initial skill text does
outer hamlet
my math must be wrong i find it's like a 230ap buff if you have a base 300K hp
outer hamlet
I totally misread the text and thought 48 gm added an additional 50% over the ba...
i though it would be additional too 😖 like most gm effect works
gusty kiln
Is it still a 3min cd to reapply the hp buff?
ya
So basically 1 gold gives the focus, 1 purple with the gold an extra 10%, 2 golds extra 20%, 3 golds extra 50 seconds
gusty kiln
Since it doesn't do what I thought I kinda wanna salvage 2 and go for vine whips lol
Still have 2 extra pages so
outer hamlet
my math must be wrong i find it's like a 230ap buff if you have a base 300K hp
31,1 ap buff math was wrong
gusty kiln
311? Or 31.1
outer hamlet
31.1
solid kestrel
Since it doesn't do what I thought I kinda wanna salvage 2 and go for vine whips...
isn't 50% still good? owo or do you personally don't get it
gusty kiln
It was doing the 50% since purple already
lament skiff
I'd keep one just for the cost removal
gusty kiln
31.1
This is helpful
I see ice rain scales less than flower does with the hp. And WTD doesn't scale with it at all
So even if I had another sum with me and also an fm with me, it's still effectively a sub 100 party ap increase for 60 seconds
at 300k hp
So basically 2 gold flowers over the 2 extra besties i'd gain 36 gm. That alone probably outweighs a sub 100 party ap increase that only lasts 60 seconds?
outer hamlet
details:
leg SSF is 0.46% hp -> 217x0.46=100%
leg SSF is 740% ap -> so 217x7.4hp=1605hp=1ap
150K/1605=93 ap buff 1/3min = 31 ap buff overall
WB is rushing to ba a <1min fight might be best here
outer hamlet
So basically 2 gold flowers over the 2 extra besties i'd gain 36 gm. That alone ...
i averaged it over 3min it's a perma 31ap buff
if you have perma poison you can do 217x8.3 insead
gm 78=105% gm 114=140%
240/205=1.17 or a 17% increase dps
gusty kiln
Right
outer hamlet
imo best is to go kammer 30
gusty kiln
And the 36 gm from 2 extra flowers would be like double that dps increase
But was that math just the damage I would gain?
Or for if party had 2 summoner and a fm
If it's 2 sum gaining 17% and a fm gaining a little under that then surely that adds up to above 40%
outer hamlet
+36gm would be a personal 17%increase
gusty kiln
Oh?
gusty kiln
It sounds like it's more comparable than I thought though. And if I did 5 sum 1 bm for whatever reason then even better
Thank you for your efforts scaling this man
gusty kiln
imo best is to go kammer 30
I feel like you’d need timestream with the green line for focus to use speed hammer on flower. You’re spending 1 focus a second the entire fight as well as losing out on besties focus cuz you’d need cheer up
spiral dagger
True weap is just op with focus effect.. I wish to make it someday
Now I stuck with awakening:/
lament skiff
too many ppl stockpiling stones T_T
outer hamlet
stones are so cheap timestream axe went for 14K
proud field
Cause no one is playing destro as much as they should.
solemn oar
48 besties is just simply not worth running in its current state. Its cool, but we dont need the defensive utility in any content right now 😔
Base leg is crazy good for the focus regen depending on party comp, beyond that purple besties is more than enough
slow jasper
I inspect every sums in the raven raid recently in KR, they drop besties over something like damge/hammer/poison
solemn oar
At the end of day besties is just there to help skill issue.
If people as a whole played better we wouldnt need to treat besties as a set it and forget it
slow jasper
solemn oar
Smns are a crutch for people. If we stop pressing z we can force people to improve as players
proud field
I will consider removing bestie
You might wanna keep it in the case where a mistake can happen and you're about to die, Besties will save you.
vestal sage
For talking about Bestie usage with World Boss, you can use seperate gear w/ a bunch of purple/blue besties to get 48 GM, use it right besties right before world boss spawns and use the preset system to quick swap back to your main set up
I wanted to try that before I quit, when purple besties got cheaper.
using besties doesn't put you in combat, so you should be able to quick swap, use it b4 World Boss or starting a normal boss
lament skiff
Just dont get hit before you can swap gear
lament skiff
any sum guides for naksun?
zinc vault
Use cat taunt. Move in circles around him. When he dashes to you the 3rd kick you need to counter otherwise you get aired. When ice phase stars the pull doesn't hurt much save iframe for the hit after that. If you kd him insta grab otherwise he gets up.
You can start the fight then kd 2 second into the fight and your cc should be up to interrupt his drinking.
90% drinking can't be interrupted, you need to iframe but after that cc and grab every time he drinks.
Also when you circle tank him try to be around 3-4 meters from him cause he sometimes does an ice aoe around him which ccs you.
Also pray that you don't get back to back ice phases ✝️
When he throws cups at you, you can counter them.
outer hamlet
Also when you circle tank him try to be around 3-4 meters from him cause he some...
that's 45%
if you die you can cat taunt /cat imframe during chi recovery to cheez a revive(and besties reset )
zinc vault
Also make sure you only ress charm while your cat is alive. Otherwise you might die real quick. (Talking from experience 
)
outer hamlet
i do pull -> imframe -> 44 to avoid icicle
taunt+solidarity +stunt on a trash gear is the way
outer hamlet
yes but i couldn't tell u what it is, the cat tanks everything ez life
proud field
We can not iframe every hit he has as a summoner. That's why taunt is just needed, not wanted.
outer hamlet
seen a kfm clear blud have 4cc 4imframe and a bloc every 2s
spiral dagger
With 70lvl and enough Dps u don’t need anything
Your Dps should be fine, just lvl issue
I was doing naksun from level 61 and was using cat taunt at lower level, after 68 I just use my main build and when I hit like 70+ it takes like 30-40 sec to kill naksun without any mechs
proud field
I was doing naksun from level 61 and was using cat taunt at lower level, after 6...
You can not just mention that without people knowing that you had leg skills/gear for a while.
spiral dagger
But Emraell also has legendary skills so it should be easy for him
When he will be higher level than naksun
proud field
Indeed, his dps will just make Naksun go from mech to mech, so he won't be needing to taunt.
spiral dagger
Yeah 👍
lament skiff
You assume I can play summoner well
slow jasper
any sum guides for naksun?
Still cant pass it yet, I always die on the last phase, he perform the ice AOE twice in a row. My self iframe still in CD
Everything before that is okay
Didnt use tuant btw
spiral dagger
use solidarity book
it wont help with 2 times ice but.. it is bug anyway cuz it should be 40-50 sec cd between ice phase ig or smth like that
1 time i had like 3-4 times, when i had lower lvl and dps
spiral dagger
spiral dagger
Already am <:kry:1129092724491034654> The old man still kick my cat ass
btw did u watch this?
eu hornet summoner with 64lvl
slow jasper
https://youtu.be/PaovSQCkQsQ?si=T0lXc2CEfYKv3aPL
yup
slow jasper
eu hornet summoner with 64lvl
😭 Im 67 and still
lament skiff
That sounds like yellow hornet
lament skiff
That’s some crazy crit
slow jasper
somehow Naksun in mine puts a lot of drinking wine attack and ice aoe
I mean, altho hornet damage wasnt outstanding
but during phase 2 he takes wine like 6-7 times
some that are immediately after the previous drink
And the constantly ice aoe also, twice in a row
elder wyvern
NA WTS - Strike (Defense Reduction) offer me plz
outer hamlet
it looks like they "fixed" the additional stack of photo you can get after the buff
aka SSF dont give a stack you have to cast 4 SF every time
major L
spiral dagger
;/
But buffs are fine overall?
I finish my work in 3h so I will check later
But I’m curious
spiral dagger
I love it
outer hamlet
and 3SF to SSF felt so good
outer hamlet
new queen box are crazy
lament skiff
Plus rerolls
outer hamlet
wtb leg SF
outer hamlet
gnana got a HS i think u clear serpent with only 6 SF
i kinda want to wait for December if i hit yn
spiral dagger
My dmg is fine anyway
With def reduction and xp badges I was doing 120-130k on yeti
With dmg badges I can do like 140k or even more
Today later* we are going to try with Alex, Nanaya and Lostninja
And at evening I’m going with my clan
outer hamlet
u streaming ?
slow jasper
holy hell the honey buff is strong af for hornet
I boosted like plus 10k in each hornet strike
dusty yarrow
I boosted like plus 10k in each hornet strike
vs petal toss?
slow jasper
vs petal toss?
I think honey gotta be stronger
especially when you get last it very long with drain and hive swarm
dusty yarrow
Did you test it?
slow jasper
the dps meter havent updated so I cant ensure this
my raw hornet strike deal 60k
but with honey buff it go straight to 74k each hit
lament skiff
Greater grindtooth no longer grapple-able?
slow jasper
Greater grindtooth no longer grapple-able?
field boss?
lament skiff
In Skypetal
lament skiff
Aaah
They should just spawn them all on every map
If they dont want to spawn on every existing channel
slow jasper
every field boss areas when I teleport there
Are like always 10 channels each
I couldnt even sneak my body into the first 3 channels
gusty kiln
Did some book rolling and ended on this. gm 48 leggy def hammer only needs the target to have one poison stack instead of 5? Or did I read that wrong
spiral dagger
yes, 1 poison
gusty kiln
So which one poison book would you reccommend for this?
spiral dagger
yeah, imo lmb is the best for poison source also u can do something like
lmb at start > then c > it gives u additional poison stack - so u have 2
c again after cd off (8 sec) > 3 stacks
repeat > 4 stacks
lmb to have 5 poison stacks and just higher dps for abit xD
if u use C with 4 stacks (it wont be 5 poison, poison just dissapear - idk why this is working like this tbh)
gusty kiln
did you drop drain?
digital bramble
Have your tried lunge over lmb kac? Personally hate that you have to stop rmb to lmb so I've always preffered lunge over lmb
gusty kiln
lunge can make you miss the cc or pin if youre not careful. animation locked
digital bramble
Had that happen when getting used to boss rotations but if you know when the cc timers are shouldn't be that much of an issue
spiral dagger
did you drop drain?
no, i still use drain
spiral dagger
Have your tried lunge over lmb kac? Personally hate that you have to stop rmb to...
i use lmb always when i'm not in overflow so it doesnt matter, also it can give u 1 stack of photosyntesis on crit so it is nice, u dont need 4 sf to be in overflow when u crit lmb
so imo lmb > lunge
gusty kiln
I need to cut smothering now right? It overrides the 50% hammer?
proud field
I need to cut smothering now right? It overrides the 50% hammer?
Yes.
spiral dagger
no
proud field
You can not have 2x def down.
proud field
Technically the higher def red has priority so in that case yes.
proud field
Overall, having smothering paw is a waste if you can use the slot for something else.
proud field
Yes but not smothering. And yeah I just remembered the focus pin.
spiral dagger
proud field
If the priority will always be the 50% then it doesn't matter if it's smothering there.
spiral dagger
i was using smothering when i had purple def down to bug poison stacks
imo smothering is the best when u are playing sunflower with purple def reduction
but whatever
proud field
Things quickly change when skills change from purple to leg.
proud field
Brother ew.
slow jasper
spiral dagger
sure, i will send parcel
gusty kiln
WTS NA
gilded sierra
WTS NA
dusty yarrow
Considerations about def hammer:
- Smothering Paw ( 30% ) dont overlap 50%
- If someone with 18gm ( 50% 10 sec ) use above 30 gm+ ( 50% 20 sec ) will overlap or vice versa
ty @gusty kiln for tests
outer hamlet
41% cr i think detect is already dead
spiral dagger
it is not about detect
is it about we lack of legendary card sets
with all cards we could have 16% crit atm but we need 3 jinsoyun and 3 hongs which is impossible to get on EU/NA
or maybe if u are lucky with fusion
i dunno..
solid kestrel
# Considerations about def hammer: #
- Smothering Paw ( 30% ) dont overlap 50%...
what about some terrorist with strike speed 40%? 
outer hamlet
40% wont take over 50% same as leg hammer hm12
solid kestrel
nice, so i won't be griefing in the future
outer hamlet
feels bad to miss and not crit i am in perma critical focus zone
lament skiff
tl;dr; its based on the % of the debuff, not the duration
outer hamlet
imagine u got gm48 and from one patch to an other you could go back in SSF with 3SF and now if u are unlucky 6SF
spiral dagger
what
outer hamlet
u didn't noticed SSF no longer gives the additional stack of photosynthesis that alowed u to only do 3 SF
solid kestrel
what even was the condition for that, random?
outer hamlet
it worked best for me around 7metter away from boss
spiral dagger
from the beginning
lament skiff
how are the yellow summoner books pricing looking
spiral dagger
i bought last def reduction today
for 30k
someone offered me 35k for leg sunflower
and also sold hornet legendery today for 40k
so idk
outer hamlet
35?
outer hamlet
u sold ?
lament skiff
Ack
outer hamlet
would have been crazy hornest more tha SF
spiral dagger
i need 3 leg sunflowers
i can't sell any yet
when i have 3 def reduction i have like 3 free slots
now it looks like this
solid kestrel
why do you venom instead of lunge?
since you only need 1 poison anyway, might as well make your cat work
spiral dagger
cuz i skip hive swarm so sometimes i need focus on queen (i dont have true wb weapon yet)
also i like to keep 5 poison stacks for 18 sec to boost my dps (after 3 hammers)
solid kestrel
ohh for refresh owo i see
spiral dagger
if lunge would refresh poison it could be awesome
yeah
btw. my friend checked detect already on msp with his alt
and it has CD already
we should get this with bt patch but they added it faster
that's why my crit rate is so low on queen 
zinc vault
need to start using accuracy psyches again
outer hamlet
yep didn't want to roll my psyches back yet
maiden flint
wym someone paid 40k for leg hornet
gusty kiln
WTB Gold Flower NA
hard hamlet
meow :3
solid kestrel
lament skiff
cat is planking now
slow jasper
spiral dagger
🦋
crude shuttle
@spiral dagger what would it look like getting stuff up for either hornet or sunflower? Like how much of everything would be needed?
zinc vault
hornet is playable with
- 1 blue / purple main skill (needed)
- blue or purple venom lmb (needed)
- blue hiva swarm / purple petal storm toss depends on your playstyle (qol but i'd say you kinda need one of them)
- purple drain (qol)
- purple daybreak (qol / 1sec iframe)
- blue seed shroud (party iframe)
- purple def red hammer (nice to have)
obviously having more hornets and hammers is preferred
for hornet 30 hammer stacks should be enough tho since you apply venom all the time so rest can go to rmb
crude shuttle
30 hammer stacks as 30 gm?
And would a normal summoner get invited to anything with hornet build? Or is it basically go sunflower or wither away alone
proud field
And would a normal summoner get invited to anything with hornet build? Or is it ...
By being on Hornet you will have to rely on getting that DPS carry thourgh most dungeons.
You'll be of great support to a party, but alone you will suffer.
That can not be said if or when you're in full leg skills as hornet, yet.
outer hamlet
hornest mono target MSP pain
proud field
In end game, you can be support and do amazing DPS as sunflower, but yes leg skills will be needed.
crude shuttle
Say you have a starting budget of 20k gems
proud field
And like Sokka mentioned, single target classes, in this case Hornet will suffer in msp, so you'd want to have a few sunflower skill to grind there for your level.
crude shuttle
You could atleast build something decent?
zinc vault
do you want to hear the honest answer or the kind one
proud field
You could atleast build something decent?
Have you made up your mind if you wanna be playing with a group almost every time or not.
zinc vault
for later dungeon if you dnt have leg sf and at least 48 hammer stucks you're fuc ked
proud field
Idno would probably be a mix
A mix with that amount and playable is not happening.
zinc vault
for yeti nowdays everything is fine
crude shuttle
Rip i guess get rid of gems and gtfo
proud field
You wanna reach a level where "we" took months to get to.
zinc vault
but that's only cause they made it easier with this patch
also for higher dungeons hornet feels even worse now
almost unplayable cause of the lower crit-rate
even for the next few months if you'd play hornet good luck in naga
proud field
You'd get in naga parties if you hammer 50% without supreme force, I'd guess.
proud field
Otherwise you'd grief for no reason.
zinc vault
you need to pull your own weight
proud field
Then that leaves the rest of the content which can be done.
But not with 20k gems and think that'll make you do what I've built in months of gameplay.
It really depends how you see yourself playing, alone or with friends/clan/randoms.
outer hamlet
20k in not even a 18gm sf build
proud field
Even if somehow you get all the items/skills in the game, you'll need levels.
You have to grind, you can not buy that, yet.
outer hamlet
skill book only is 10K for 18gm
might find CR/CD earing for 300 ring 400 neck/gloves/bracelet 1K weapon/belt 1.5k
but prety rare as prpl +0 your best bet is to buy back stuff from someone quitting so already +4/+5 way more expensive
crude shuttle
Maybe I should just not start again kek
proud field
You don't seem to know what you want.
outer hamlet
i mean there is no rush
crude shuttle
I really don’t tbh
zinc vault
it's only the latest dungeon that's hard to get into
proud field
So why not take it slow?
zinc vault
yeti and lower should be fine for almost anyone nowdays
outer hamlet
no
proud field
The game is fun, interesting, different from Live.
outer hamlet
you need the mini SF to get carried or a nice clan
crude shuttle
I have like 400gold and 21k gems stored atm atleast
proud field
So get yourself into a clan. You will not survive soloing things.
crude shuttle
Some left over mats probably too, card sets and stuff from beforehand etc etc
proud field
I could ask my clan, depending if you're red or blue.
crude shuttle
I haven’t created it yet, still contemplating
outer hamlet
yes but i dont want to do more than 1 daily not having the bonus chest in yeti
crude shuttle
I was 60 on a destroyer a couple of months back
proud field
I was 60 on a destroyer a couple of months back
That makes sense.
outer hamlet
first step with 20dg is to buy the new boxes
proud field
Btw, destroyers are amazing right now.
crude shuttle
That’s what I did xd
outer hamlet
destro is op brocken
crude shuttle
I got a legendary trash and sold it for 20k
outer hamlet
aah
outer hamlet
👍
gusty kiln
Say you have a starting budget of 20k gems
If you had 20k dg I would save it. leggy books dropping in price like crazy. Saw leggy hornet for 25k
More likely to get in a party with 1 leggy and nothing else than full purples
sand panther
What summoner is supposed to stealth on yeti?
proud field
What summoner is supposed to stealth on yeti?
Any player/spec that has party stealth, can stealth the party.
sand panther
I don't think this answers my question, let me rephrase, which attacks should be stealthed to best protect the party?
proud field
The high jump.
After he takes Heat off players, you have to make sure you are not frozen by the end of his attacks on the ground, and he jumps, damaging everything. That's when you could stealth.
zinc vault
If you have a hm block in the party talk with them if they hm block the 90% pull or the jump after throw and just stealth the other one.
When the icicles drop you can stealth the first or second slam
7th hit at the end of phase if yeti did not absorb any icicles otherwise just stealth when you run out of iframes/heat stacks.
If you dont have hm block tho good luck and just stealth when you feel like it
slow jasper
I don't think this answers my question, let me rephrase, which attacks should be...
should be the final high jump
solemn oar
WTB leg def hammer 
spiral dagger
sell 3 on EU
lament skiff
lmao you're swapping?
lament skiff
lol
lament skiff
Crushing dreams is fun also
spiral dagger
slow jasper
snow valley
Greater grindtooth no longer grapple-able?
I'm sorry, it seems it's my fault - I reported that boss is t-posing when cat is pinning it. So they "fixed" it by disabling cat pin on this boss. 
And I'm not going to report it as bug now, because I'm scared how next "fix" would look like? Removing cats from game? No cat, no problem.
lament skiff
Ah but what if they gave us dogs instead
snow valley
I preffer to have my own Gon destro. I'll buff def and my Gon will remove every enemy for me.
hearty fern
Hi magic people voodoo people😃
I’m new to summoner and would like to ask for an advice regarding poison stacks and def cut? I get how it’s working, but how you keep 5 stacks all time?
Def cut skill removes the stacks completely and to get 5 again you need to LKM 5 times. The animation is pretty slow so I’m loosing damage while doing that.
Do I miss something?
gusty kiln
So you can use prickly stance for 4 stacks and then 1 venomous rosethorn lmb for the 5th. Then press c. You then have 10 seconds to proc your counter (seed overflow blue) in order to reset your prickly so you can do it all again after the def down wears off
Alternatively you can just rely on puple lunge for all your poison instead of using 2 books for it
slow jasper
Hi magic people voodoo people😃
I’m new to summoner and would like to ask for a...
Play hornet
or have 30gm def reduction hammer
gusty kiln
Get 48 gm leggy hammer so you only need 1 poison stack
gusty kiln
Or play rumble. Can get double 48 leggy Bee and Speed with 3 gold books that are going for like 20-25k
slow jasper
I still find it weird
the main damge still the speed hammer
but NCS doesnt have anything to enhanced the hammer
gusty kiln
Rumble got buffed. It doing more than the hammer on Ganzi's pie chart I heard
Before tuesday though yeah hammer was a lot stronger than bee
slow jasper
I had a test with this dude
his cat did like 67k and rumblebee did 45k
even with the recently buff patch, no damge increase on the hammer
gusty kiln
Gotcha
slow jasper
In high end dungeon like sundered nexus, yeti and serpent. The gap between rumblebee and the hammer is even bigger
no crit, rumblebee just does no damge
elder wyvern
In addition, Naksun damn easy once you build properly lol
lament skiff
Rumble overtaking Hornet?
slow jasper
Rumblebee so weak lol
true, just play wts and execute
found some more bonk bonk sum players in TW
this build gradually getting used
lament skiff
slow jasper
gusty kiln
WTB Gold flower NA
outer hamlet
wts EU
slow jasper
May I ask how much divine per monarch tree psyche on NA/EU?
slow jasper
spiral dagger
WTS EU all my gear and books < f3 "Kacperinio" - pmo
lament skiff
fr fr or /jk?
spiral dagger
fr fr or /jk?
fr
i'm not going to suffer anymore, it is not good for my mental health
this stupid fomo and everything makes me sick
lament skiff
That's a concerning number of EU summoners retiring
gusty kiln
WTB Gold Flower NA
dusty yarrow
WTS EU all my gear and books < f3 "Kacperinio" - pmo
F
slow jasper
😭
maiden flint
25k for hammer and hornet is getting tempting
but i'll only buy if someone forgets a 0
slow jasper
+1
solemn oar
has anyone had a chance to play around with the new core from altar?
spiral dagger
WTS 3 LEG SUNFLOWER, 3 LEG DEF REDUCTION, LEG BESTIES
ALL LEGE ACCS (I can upgrade belt to +1) / Awak WB Weapon / Soul+4 and Mystic+3 badge
EU
outer hamlet
has anyone had a chance to play around with the new core from altar?
it's basicly an infernal lord that can control in pvp/ more damage in pve
solemn oar
im looking to figure out what petrify resistant actually means, cause its not doing the boosted damage on any mobs
outer hamlet
might be only on boss or buged 
lament skiff
lament skiff
Maybe they're not facing the thing
solemn oar
yeah i cant seem to proc the additional 5700% on anything
maybe it is just intended for altar or bugged
elder wyvern
it's pvp soulcore
outer hamlet
everybody runing yeti in kr so ...
maiden flint
wym someone paid 40k for leg hornet
olive flicker
a month ago 
a whale " warlock " bought it for 40k
dawn thunder
lament skiff
Devs confused about daylight savings again?
lament skiff
Or cloudflare =p
slow jasper
lament skiff
How much did the besties on EU go for
outer hamlet
it expired at 18K i think
about this counter
it used to not over right the photosynthesis stacks but it does now
ie: send 2 SF-> get 4/6 stacks ->(4) counter -> trigger photosynthesis for 3s and keep your 4/6 staks
now send 2 SF-> get 4/6 stacks ->(4) counter -> trigger photosynthesis for 3s -and keep your 4/6 staks-
any of u can replicate this ?
lament skiff
I think someone complained before that you cannot have both photo and photo together
outer hamlet
i dont see it in bug report
lament skiff
Few people report bugs
outer hamlet
imma do that tomorrow then
and speak about no longer beeing able to get a bonus stack after photo too to see if it was suposed to be this way all along
snow valley
about this counter
it used to not over right the photosynthesis stacks but it d...
now send 2 SF-> get 4/6 stacks ->(4) counter -> trigger photosynthesis for 3s
and keep your 4/6 staks
It keeps your stacks. But next SF or SSF will remove all of them.
It was never mentioned in changes, and seriously idk if this should be treated as bug or not.
hearty fern
How much did the besties on EU go for
18k
Just wondering how much purple sunflower goes from on NA, because we have it for 7k 😵💫
gusty kiln
3k is what it sells for. Anything above that expires
proud field
Just wondering how much purple sunflower goes from on NA, because we have it for...
That price is just to bait people that are desperate.
3k as Rayford said is realistic on how the market has been moving.
spiral dagger
true
i sold 3 purple sunflowers like 2 weeks ago
for 7k each
now it is too late for that prices
cuz eu is dying
lament skiff
proud field
It won't die. More so thriving.
sunflower still around 6k on TW
crude shuttle
gimme full summoner build for 18k
outer hamlet
and btw the f roll into no party shroud is still a thing is it intended ?
spiral dagger
Okay so..
sell awak wb weapon, 3x leg def redu, leg hornet, leg besties
This is all what left guys
Let me uninstall this game pls
Eu server
gusty kiln
and btw the f roll into no party shroud is still a thing is it intended ?
This happen to me too I thought it was just me
solemn oar
its been a bug since game launch pretty sure
some real spaghetti for f roll and party iframe being connected like that
stable hearth
solemn oar
(NA)
lament skiff
Who's got the hammer/besties book on EU F5?
cyan goblet
Who's got the hammer/besties book on EU F5?
prolly the guy 5 lines up
lament skiff
It too late, it gone now
spiral dagger
Yappy bough 1 to salvage
Others also probably salvaged
brave oracle
Is it better to have Sunflower GM40 or GM38 but with Doom 'n' Gloom? :x
slow jasper
48 sunflower
outer hamlet
38+dng
brave oracle
48 sunflower
Well that obvious, but it's not in the choices
lament skiff
Did nexus exp go down?
lament skiff
Anyone want or should I salvage
outer hamlet
exp go down when u lvl up
lament skiff
D=
frail imp
Any Leggy SF book seller ?
crisp stag
WTF Leg Sf EU 39k
lament skiff
Reject Master Hong, embrace the bonk
outer hamlet
5% crit chance buff on 48 def hammer debuff
that's a 150%cr buff on bt omegalul
solemn oar
Rosethorn (Chain, Photo Venom) Base damage increased, (unknown value)
Def hammer: New 48 gm effect - +5% crit chance, rosethorn deals additional 250% damage during shred(?)
Sunflower: Sunflower +115% damage , Super sunflower +170% damage
Hornet: +140% bonus damage on base
Honey: +250% bonus damage on honey
theres also some rumble/speed hammer buffs
i didnt get those though
outer hamlet
vine whip is so dead
outer hamlet
hornest are not the def down spec they are the poison spec
solemn oar
after the buffs, hornets are gonna be doing a lot more damage now
outer hamlet
i hope
solemn oar
hopefully start to bring them in line with sunflower
outer hamlet
cuz rn u better go bonk bonk
solemn oar
since there isnt as much of a reason to run hornet with leg being more accesible
they still should really make some core changes to hornet. i want legendary heat ray to be released and make hornet a burst spec with it
and they need to make overflow do something with hornet too (faster hornets ideally)
outer hamlet
super hornest like a SSF
outer hamlet
speed hammer still have noo line in badge right ?
solemn oar
no sadly but with the scaling of rumble on badge its not really needed
ideally you just stack hammer to 48, go rest rumble and eventually rumble overtakes
all other classes are getting these insane buffs too. feels like theyre practically doubling dps of everyone. its needed with how high the bt dps reqs are though
nice to see class buffs rather than bt nerfs imo 🙂
slow jasper
Rosethorn (Chain, Photo Venom) Base damage increased, (unknown value)
Def hamme...
if this is true then it huge
hornet player with 48gm hammer can now quit venom LB and use chain one instead for aoe
when I can find leg
solemn oar
venom rose is still the higher base dmg than chain/photo though
solemn oar
yeah but even than you still need some sort of way to stack poison for hammer
i think staying venom is likely for hornet
slow jasper
I might consider using something else to stack poison since 48gm hammer only requires one stack
can be petal toss or doom and root
😭 but first I need to find my leg hammer
solemn oar
were gonna wanna still have a lb book on as hornet with how much damage itl be doing, speccing chain/photo + another for poison would just end up eating a potenial book for hornet gm
aoe only matters if theres content to actually use it in :/. right now thats just msp, and as more and more hit the 75/76/77 range msp will slowly fall out of relevance
solemn oar
yeah it should be
slow jasper
they surely need new content and event
repeating game content just doesnt do anything
dusty yarrow
hornet player with 48gm hammer can now quit venom LB and use chain one instead f...
You gave me an idea, I'll test this chain in my AoE setup.
slow jasper
You gave me an idea, I'll test this chain in my AoE setup.
Im problaly gotta do when this patch arrive
dusty yarrow
I already have it, I'll take a look later.