Summoner

[uncut fable]

😭

[vestal sage]

Purple sunflowers seem to be getting cheaper, 11k and dropping on market on NA

[uncut fable]

wheres my legy

[slow jasper]

ever since I moved to bonking build. Many people just straightly feel weird and wonder why I even play this build

😭

[slow jasper]

rich meow

[lament skiff]

The hammer brings JUSTICE

https://tenor.com/view/sephiroth-hammer-hammer-time-hit-hitting-gif-14404506401167533373

[slow jasper]

🔨

huh, at the 48 stacks. You get like 10s of -40% defense reduction on the target, 10s is like longer that I was expected ngl. Should be around only 3 or 4s then refresh it at the next 3 bonks

[lament skiff]

who needs def down hammer
-# this is a joke, NCSoft please fix it

It looks like it's easier to maintain def down with this hammer lol

[slow jasper]

but it costs like 48 stacks 😭

[lament skiff]

3 legendaries

[olive flicker]

but you need to sacrifice your Aoe healing Bestist for communion buff

[slow jasper]

yes also

[lament skiff]

Needing to heal is a skill issue

[lament skiff]

Just dont get hit

[timid wadi]

ohh i see

[slow jasper]

bet it only work on NA account

🤔

[spiral dagger]

u can use EU code too

[slow jasper]

redeemed

hopefully I dont get banned just by redeemed other servers code altho It did nothing

[rare flicker]

thanks for the code, i didn't see before

[vestal sage]

yea theres an EU code, just replace the NA with EU, "SilverfrostThanksEU", nothing will happen if you redeem other server's, its a benefit for those who play on both i guess.

[dawn thunder]

KR server?

[slow jasper]

Taiwan

[dawn thunder]

hmm k

[slow jasper]

🤔

[abstract vigil]

liu liu

[maiden flint]

i need koreans to hype up the hornet buffs or im gonna die opening chests in highland

about 750 valor stones to swap my flower books to main gear set that had hornet and hammer

[outer hamlet]

u seen that right

[maiden flint]

ye but what is queen bee

just guaranteed critical every 3 hornets?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lament skiff]

If you combine with detect

Does that mean you won’t ever miss

[outer hamlet]

you need to not crit to miss so no plus hornest is lmb rmb

you wont miss your queen bee that's something ... maby ... what is queen bee

[steel python]

Yeah your detect proc gets yoinked by lmb and other skills

Queen Bee being a guaranteed crit is ass though

It needs to do like 3x normal hornets damage

[maiden flint]

my sunflower gear is ass, but i guess the easy way out is to get a 3rd belt, to swap between 18gm hammer and 48gm hornet
-# not like i have the books anyways

[severe cargo]

Idk im reading that queen bee thing as an extra hit

like 3rd hit hits twice,

and the extra hit is always crit

could be wrong tho

If it just enhances your third hit then its poop

[maiden flint]

i didnt even know this badge existed? does it not boost speed hammer?

[slow jasper]

using it currently

but It wont buff strike anymore at the silverforst badge

[snow valley]

Maybe that little 3d model of bee has crown on third hit? Good luck trying to spot that.

[slow jasper]

🤔

[slow jasper]

[paper trench]

Kinda makes sense thats why i have so high crit rate

[white spade]

Liu liu

[slow jasper]

Liu Liu

[spiral dagger]

80 additional dmg for 18 gm sunflower is huge

idk why there is something like this

[slow jasper]

hmm

how about 250 additional dmg for Strike

[spiral dagger]

250 vs 80 ;/

[maiden flint]

@slow jasper all accounts get this gift right?

what's in the silverfrost weapon/accesory chests

[gentle moat]

Isn’t it a mistranslation and it’s actually 80% of your AP as additional damage

Same reason why 48gm WTD is so good

[lament skiff]

Not according to the combat log

[slow jasper]

oh

🤔 only newbies would use them

[maiden flint]

ok its trash

thought it could be gear upgrade replacement, for fodders

[slow jasper]

yup

[maiden flint]

and what are those last 2? cosmetic?

[spiral dagger]

no, it is 80 additional dmg

it should be 80%, i really have hope they will do this someday

but now, it is 80 additional dmg

8 0

just 80 XD

[maiden flint]

even mantra hits harder, well actually no cuz it doesnt crit

[spiral dagger]

damn, it is so funny

[gentle moat]

Damn

[slow jasper]

the first one is three boxex of hae mujin selection soulshield
the second and the last are the two boxes that give you either poharan ring or tae jangun earing and hae mujin bracelet or blood mane glove

[maiden flint]

[slow jasper]

ultimately, the step 2 was meant for newbies

😭

[maiden flint]

well there's funny things in there

but u guys got an event

and 50 purple pages

we have jack sht

[slow jasper]

hmm, yeah. I got 50 purple pages

And still no legendary skill box

damn 5%, -30gold

[zinc vault]

anyone buying a legendary hornet on eu

[paper trench]

Only 18stacks for me so i doubt i would give enough for u

[gray summit]

But when I tested on the Taiwan server, 18GM really does give 80% extra damage.

And the hammer’s 250 is also indeed an extra 250% damage.

[spiral dagger]

??? Maybe badge or smth

[gray summit]

The hammer doesn’t have silverfrost badge

There are two combat messages, and the damage of one is only half of the other.
250 = 2.50xAP
half of 5.00xAP

[dawn thunder]

anyone selling purple speed hammer skillbooks? 🙂

in need of 3

[gray summit]

Or maybe the skill’s code on the NA/EU server is different from the Taiwan server.

[slow jasper]

sad thing to hear

[dawn thunder]

wonder how gm48 rumblebees + gm48 speed hammer would fare..

rn without legendaries you can only get 48/30

[slow jasper]

🤔 I can only get 48gm hammer and maximum 12gm rumblebee

I cant get any further than that

ngl, this build is severity on focus drain

even with the badge

imagine when you can spam rumblebee

which will cost you like 3 focuses each time you press that button

[gray summit]

Have you ever tried Rumblebees 30GM?
an extra attack on a critical hit consume focus?

[slow jasper]

I havent, but one of my friend tried

yes, it still consume another 3 focuses

[lament skiff]

doubtful TW/JP/NA/EU will have diff codebases

[slow jasper]

you lost focus like very quick

hmm, I have an idea 😭

[upbeat spear]

WTS legy sunflower EU

[outer hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-face-puss-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-pleasing-face-begging-face-gif-26016683

[snow valley]

https://tenor.com/view/take-my-money-fry-futurama-gif-9743585

50dg

[keen garden]

@spiral dagger

[tribal portal]

WTS Legendary Book [EU]
Price DM Offer Me (SOLD)

[lament skiff]

👀 would be interested to see how 48gm besties works

[zinc vault]

your teammates should just keep the extra max hp you give them for 60 sec instead of 10 sec no?

having an extra 50% for 10sec and another extra 50% for 60sec would just be silly

[lament skiff]

yes but does it make the 3min cd longer?

the cd isnt mentioned in besties at all

[spiral dagger]

Nice

[slow jasper]

there something I have just realized about the speed hammer

clearly you can reduce the defense of the target by 40% with 48gm

Assume there is another summoner in the party with 18gm def reduction hammer which will reduce 50% in 10s

[paper trench]

50% will overwrite 40%

40% will not overwrite 50%

[slow jasper]

Hmm, somehow I was the one who keep overwriting the buff

Is it because my hammer buff trigger faster than his? like every 3 bonks

Like I would love to keep his 50% reduction

[slow jasper]

Oh wait

have just tested

the sum at the same party as me just being lazy and let my hammer did all the work

[lament skiff]

That makes more sense

[slow jasper]

yup

[lament skiff]

You got banned for emojis?

[slow jasper]

🤔

NA players get banned just by emojing?

many players in TW get banned recently also

[lament skiff]

Maybe a discord ban?

NA/EU gave the twitch drops ppl a time out recently

But I don't think other regions had twitch drops

[slow jasper]

nope, we dont have it

[chrome epoch]

ye here in discord i had 1 week holidays for excessive use of emojis

[lament skiff]

Time Stranger in a few weeks, at least

[slow jasper]

hmm

[chrome epoch]

why did they delete that i want to sell gear and skills is it not allowed to sell stuff anymore? xd

[slow jasper]

idk, they deleted some of my previous messages as well back then

[chrome epoch]

mods abusing powers

[rigid delta]

Soy mods

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-gif-18242678

[spiral dagger]

😂😂 someone hates u Fusel

[chrome epoch]

Ye

Seems like

Iam pure evil after asking for tons of events and more free stuff for the ppl

How can i

[spiral dagger]

Did u ask about final compensation??

Also did u noticed that Rowen is kinda quiet last few weeks? I think Neo is dead :/

[lament skiff]

Probably bc it could be interpreted as selling an account

[chrome epoch]

i didnt say i sell my account

[lament skiff]

Starting to think the def down is more of a wont-fix T_T

[slow jasper]

anything wrong with it? beside the poison refresh

🤔 Im currently migrating back to Hornet nest build

[lament skiff]

The poison refresh T_T

At least time stranger is coming out soon, I can play something else

[slow jasper]

cool

[uncut fable]

if you need someone to hold onto your sunflowers let me know ☺️ ill safeguard them gladly

[spiral dagger]

same

i can keep them for u

[crisp stag]

Dont do that 🤓

[slow jasper]

[rigid delta]

Wts NA. Pm me offer for any piece

[severe cargo]

Crispy quitting?

[rigid delta]

Ye

[slow jasper]

quitting sum or game 🤔

[steel python]

[reef steppe]

wts

[solid kestrel]

nooooo crispy we need more summoners not less

[spiral dagger]

Another day another quitting summoner :/

[lament skiff]

It’s a dirty job, but someone else can do it

[chrome epoch]

really they didnt fix it yet?

[lament skiff]

Or its working as intended

[chrome epoch]

the only positiv thing you can do

[chrome epoch]

does it say refresh?

[lament skiff]

Only on yast and the official patch notes

[chrome epoch]

but ingame not? i didnt check bc i dont play it

[lament skiff]

Non

Oh Drain just gives 2 focus back?

[chrome epoch]

idk

using it as a honey buff extender usually so idk

[lament skiff]

in KR I mean,

They removed the focus cost and recovery on hit and it's just focus recovery

Dont see any KR notes that changed

[spiral dagger]

same with daybreak

no more focus cost

on kr

[solid kestrel]

what do you mean

[lament skiff]

Game is bad

only 2 mos until Where Winds Meet

[chrome epoch]

quitting

lol

[chrome epoch]

that it costs focus is actually scam

u guys done too?

[spiral dagger]

for what u were doing this all

lol

are u bored

[lament skiff]

Free stats

A lot of HP iirc

[spiral dagger]

im not going to find artifacts ;/

[lament skiff]

https://www.makeamap.cn/map_share.html?id=e4e4cec5-2e8e-43e4-92af-464b3145dfb5&share=true

[paper trench]

WTS EU

3x hornet
1x def down
1x vine whip
1x besties

[lament skiff]

Et tu?

[paper trench]

?

what is that language?

[lament skiff]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_tu,_Brute%3F

[slow jasper]

😭

[paper trench]

Nah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345092569096523857/1420850027705663509/image.png?ex=68d6e534&is=68d593b4&hm=6434ec15ab8d9b1110e0fd36348e23383a6d2523410618b5ff30fe5ce9c758fd&

Just got lucky

[rigid delta]

Wts Dm offer for any piece

[rose juniper]

Hello, guys. what is the current fair price for purple sunflower? I didn't selling/buying just ask around for some research.

[snow valley]

On EU it was around 15k yesterday. But I saw it for 10k sometimes.

[rose juniper]

ty!

[slow jasper]

15k on EU? same price in TW also

somehow other classes like BM puncture and BD wind sever are only around 7k 8k

Des execute and Sum sunflower still around 5 digits price

[solemn oar]

Because players keep just buying at these prices and let it happen

stop letting the rich gouge you people

[spiral dagger]

???

8-9k is max

[snow valley]

Dunno, I keep seeing it close to 15. Can't confirm if it sold tho.

[spiral dagger]

i bet it's not sold, just taken off or expired

[outer hamlet]

Got all mine at 8k on the last few days

9 might sell ( we have a new leg SF who spam wtb)

[spiral dagger]

sharesh??

or new new one?

[outer hamlet]

Yep they need 3 at least to hit 48 i belive

[spiral dagger]

i see

ye, playing without 48 is painful

especially when u have leg, looks kinda weird

xdd

[rich yoke]

Wts NA

[dry haven]

huuu, is it possible playin summoner on heal like on retail server? ❤️ or not worth/ not possible?

[upbeat spear]

Bought 2 books for 8k yesterday
Both were first in market for around 15k but seller canceled

[slow jasper]

🤔

I notice that, the queen bee strike beside surely is a crit hit, it will always an instantly cast whether the previous hit was a crit hit or not

[spiral dagger]

like this???

[lament skiff]

We don't have that yet

[bleak wadi]

still? 😔

[spiral dagger]

you never know

maybe shadow patch

;/

[lament skiff]

Check in 3 weeks

[bleak wadi]

is cat Q still glitches btw?

[lament skiff]

Yes lol

[bleak wadi]

gah no wonder

[bleak wadi]

did mushin ytd and gained zero focus bạck

[slow jasper]

yes, it's just that it doesnt have the detail description

[lament skiff]

Oh, idk about that

TW font is easier to read

[bleak wadi]

every 3rd atk as in every 3rd HN attack or LMB counts as well

[slow jasper]

3rd hornet nest

it can be casted instantly and surely a crit strike

[lament skiff]

Until you go legendary lol

[slow jasper]

like legendary hornet nest teaser

😭

[spiral dagger]

why u play hornet dude

stop torturing yourself

[lament skiff]

Was it someone else doing the hammertime build?

[slow jasper]

🥀

cuz it's cheap

my cat had enough of the bonking build, so Im back playing hornet nest

[lament skiff]

Did you have issues with it?

[slow jasper]

hornet or hammer build to be exact?

[lament skiff]

Hammer

Oh focus issues

[slow jasper]

yup, quite a bit

[slow jasper]

yeah, that's also. Drain your focus a lot. I will drain even harder if you can spam rumblebee at 48gm

[dry haven]

halp, what should i get q_Q

thorns bcs of sunflower? i heard on blue it isnt good

[slow jasper]

One thing about 30gm at speed hammer. Your cat is not entirely immune to CC even tho you are spaming the hammer constantly. But like there is still a small gap of time about 0.5s that your cat can be CC during that time

And also your cat doesnt inherit your drain ability UNTIL you get 48gm of Z cheer up. So most of your card sets that have drain will likely useless. Therefore it will die kinda fast in high dungeon like Sundered Nexus

In another case, you will deal no damge if you face a moving target like Talus Dungeon

The cat does take time to run 😭

[lament skiff]

Probably need like purple lunge

[slow jasper]

something like that, I once tried clawnado but It costs 3 focus

[prisma valve]

for sell pmo (NA) #SOLD

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

https://tenor.com/view/matrex-let-me-see-read-this-who-i-can't-see-gif-3409487452779736373

[white remnant]

WTB EU Glove or Bracelet Summoner
-Bloodmane Glove CR-CD
-Hae Mujin Bracelet CR-CD
-Blue Cloud CR-CD Bracelet or Gloves

[reef steppe]

WTS NA

[rich yoke]

WTS NA pmo

[rigid delta]

Wts NA Dm offer

[dry haven]

Is hornet build with poison on purple as good as sunflower ? Bcs of the -30def debuff ?

[solid kestrel]

depending on the fight and party comp hornet with def down is roughly equal party dps yes
or maybe used to be, i can't say anything about current sf content and hornet since i haven't seen a single one in my parties

though if you're extra rich, sunflower can also keep def down uptime owo there's no benefit in playing hornet

[prisma valve]

WTS (NA) PMO

[dry haven]

Ok ty :3

[rigid delta]

Wts NA dm offer

[slow jasper]

try to go for -50 def

[maiden flint]

uw

[solid kestrel]

are you gearing 6 alts or what is that for

[maiden flint]

had to see the queen bee for myself

think its just a slightly faster animation? lmao

now i can do this, and need a new belt for 30gm hornet 18gm hammer, + maybe a purple flower to fix shared books

both builds 58k dummy dps, planning to add daybreak and dng to hornet (once i fix sharing), get the honey boost

[bleak wadi]

as a hornet player, i tell u to go sunflower if you care bout dps

[slow jasper]

And it's in red color

As far as I can tell, queen bee ensure a no-delay hit whether the previous hit was a critical strike or not and also 100% critial strike

So in one rotation. The 3rd and the 1st Hornet nest will have no delay (cuz 3rd Hornet nest already ensure critical so 1st HN will also have no delay)

😭 Legendary book teaser trailer to be exact

I found out that the queen bee is much clearer with max graphic setting

[spiral dagger]

i prefer leg sunflower ;/

looks better

[slow jasper]

yes, looks better also to me

[maiden flint]

i guess i didnt have effects maxed cuz i didnt see a difference

also 100% crit queen is kr only i think?

[maiden flint]

and makes sense, but they better make it hit harder too, round 3 of balance

its useless if u have leggy hornet always instant cast, just a free crit

[slow jasper]

It is now in TW server maybe? It doesnt have the full description so I cant tell. But I once tried to remove all of my soulshields and reduced my crit rate to the minimun. The queen bee still critical

[spiral dagger]

i love when sometimes u can't see if u are in overflow or if u have honey buff cuz your cd bar just dissapear

[maiden flint]

add that to the list of summoner bugs

[solid kestrel]

pls report it if no one has yet, i'm too lazy

guessing the timer every time that happens

[spiral dagger]

it is pretty often tbh, sometimes it is just overflow, sometimes honey buff or like on this video - both XD

[maiden flint]

even the stacks UI goes away

[spiral dagger]

yeah

[maiden flint]

have to look at rmb if ssf is on or not

guessing if x5 from daybreak added up and whatever stacks i had before

[spiral dagger]

ok last naksun and time to sleep

[proud field]

That's a negative. A hornet summoner has to outgear the sunflower summoner pretty hard to be able to outdps that sunflower summoner.

[slow jasper]

wait, why sunflower and super sunflower have different hitbox position, like slightly above the shooting line

🤔

[solemn oar]

So with 50% shred i add about 7-10k+ on people of similar gear to me. In a 6 man party of geared people i effectively do an additional 40k+ dps on top of my own damage. Which easily puts me on par with people who drop a lot more money than me

The amount im adding to players scales extremely well when playing with even giga whales, where im adding an additional 20k+

[proud field]

You do not give 7k-10k dps to anyone.

3k maybe, but that's at a loss to your own dps as a sunflower summoner.

The only way the hammer right now would be of any use is if you're on Hornet.

[solemn oar]

You havent played with shred than

50% defense shred is an absolutely huge buff to party dps that is extremely overlooked right now

And sorry yes to clarify i am a hornet summoner.

[proud field]

Then my statement stands. 🙂

[solemn oar]

If i do 30k dps on nexus as hornets and than add an additional 30-40k+ from party dps, im doing a lot more than most players

[proud field]

You do not add 7 to 10k to anyone.

Perhaps you're talking about legendary hammer?

[solemn oar]

18 gm defense reduction gm hammer is 50% defence shred

You do not need leg for that

I have 30 gm hornet 18 gm hammer

[proud field]

After doing some calculations, you might be right, not sure entirely if it will be that high dps, but yea 50% should add more than 30%. (clearly)

[solemn oar]

Yeah im not trying to be an ass or anything, just want to make sure everyone has their facts straight with hornets. The idea is that we "break even" on dps, but its also a lot more of an increase than people realize- depending on party comp

Like when im highest dps in party- yeah hornets sucks

[slow jasper]

why not 48 hornet, I feel like 48 hornet is much more playable cuz of no-delay

[proud field]

Cause she wants to support more than do dps.

[solemn oar]

Unless i drop some utility or get either leg hornet or hammer to free up book slots i cant fit 48gm

[slow jasper]

🤔 Hmm, right now it's 6 mans party so your own dps might not be that useful . But in some upcoming dungeons, they are mostly 4 mans so your own dps kinda important

[solemn oar]

I can theoretically drop drain/purple cat grab/solidarity for an extra 18gm if i wanted

[proud field]

That's why I never liked Hornet in Neo. Cause you will suck in dps (not my style) and the support is oke-ish. However I used to hammer as sunflower. But as soon as I realised that hammering makes me lose focus and dps, I dropped it. (ofc purple hammer but, just x1)

[solemn oar]

Well yeti dps check is about 60k across the party with 100% bleed uptime

Theres also a party dps buff for it as well. The idea with hornets, is that youll be below the dps check, but other party members will be above it to make up for that

Hornets in neo is the wl of live. They just toned down the solo dps a chunk.

[maiden flint]

its why i went and made a mess out of my gear sets

[slow jasper]

🤔

[maiden flint]

need aoe or stupid asura absorbs projectiles? put on crappy sunflower build

need dps, 48gm hornet

have dps to boost on party, 30 hornet 18 hammer

[slow jasper]

🤔 I will try to go for 48 hornet and 18 hammer

[maiden flint]

[slow jasper]

😭 cat Q, stealth, pin and bestie for me

After went for 48 hornet, I dont really want to leave it. It reduces the amount of number about the stupid 0.5s delay

[dry haven]

Is it possible go for sunflower + the -50% def ?

[slow jasper]

🤔 if you have 30 or 48 hammer then -50% def is possible

[dry haven]

Moastly im a Main healer/supp, but bns was always moast dps is best bcs of timer and dmg check... also i played warlock and sf on Retail... sadly its solo buff in neo

[dry haven]

Oh ok, so its Not only a hornet build? I also can go for debuff AND sunflower???

So i go lila lmb poison so when i crit i get Photosynthese anyway?

[slow jasper]

Yup, but It would be a pain to play them compare playing hornet nest and debuff hammer. You would lost a lot of dps with sunflower if you play the debuff a long with it. The point of sunflower is about having a higher DPS than hornet nest

[dry haven]

Mhhhh so its like
Hornet - low dps high support
Sun/debuff mid dps mid support
Sunflower high dps low support

?

Anyway im Glad besties exsist

[slow jasper]

Kinda like that, yup

[paper trench]

Im getting aggressive if i read your messages...how can u drop your hammer cause u do less dps xD its legit impossible to do less dps with def down especially as higher the enemy def is as more dps u will get with it + every teammate will also get the def down dps increase. 3focus + 5x lmb for 5poison stacks cant get u so much lower in dps that it would be worth to drop. Thats just an arrogant thinking. how can u still say the dps inc are only 3k even after some proofs from several sums xD are u only playing bad Bug or cold storage? I think most ppl u see in chat lf sum wanna have the supportive damage cause they wann do more overall dps for faster runs or maybe its not even possible for them to clear is without supp sum. I dont think they looking for sum cause they want the pure dps from sum cause most of the ppl cant even play sf correctly. They break there hands by playing sf with not even pressing def and deals less dps than some hornet Player with several gear. I have proofs from nexus run with 48sf stacks and maye 20-30k dps xDD. U should know that def down is a huge difference for all in the team. Theres no point in saying sf is worse than hornet in solo content. If we would compere both builds side by side in an optimal fight without brainlags, fails, i would say sf do more dps than hornet. But sf is significant harder to play which is 100% a reason that u will forget the def sometimes. And if u fail with def down the gab between sf and hornet dps will get smaller especially in harder content its more likely that sf will have an alot harder time in dealing dps than a braindead hornet macro class. With mid gear (like u are) and without def down sf its impossible to do more dps with sf as a hornet player cause the def damage you contribute to your group is to huge. And dont forget def is % so as higher u go as more important it will get. The ONLY reason i see to no def is if u have so much dps that the rest of the team combined deals your dps but even than with def should be atleast do even dps. Just finally learn to play with def down or dont play sunflower

[slow jasper]

🤔 48 hornet + 18 hammer for me

[proud field]

I agree to most things you mentioned. I do not agree that you should use hammer if you're a sunflower summoner. You'll suck on both fronts. Either stay Hornet, support the team, or stay sunflower and dps.

If you think that the hammer is better, that's a personal choice.

[paper trench]

Ok im done im speaking against a wall

[dry haven]

Wait... ppl think its a huge dps lost bcs i press 5 times lmb -> v
For a Teamwide -50% deff on boss? Good trade for me. 4/6 ppl doing more dps bcs i did less for like 5-7sec? Good trade i guess...

Or am im Wrong? Is it just for me the defg debuff

[slow jasper]

You have to keep that debuff like full time on the target for the team for a better result. Therefore not only you have to click LMB 5 times and do less dmg in 5-7s. You have to repeat this rotation every 10s until the boss die

So ultimately -> you deal no damge

might be less than Hornet nest even tho sunflower is built to make greater dps than hornet nest

cuz u spend more time on applying the poison and debuff

Oh and each hammer costs u 3 forcuses and Sunflower is severity in forcus draining so yeah

[dry haven]

Mhhh just get 48 to extend the buff to 50sec i guess

Someon sell me cheap juehue

[outer hamlet]

(you can't fit 48 sunflower and a def down without legendary book)

[slow jasper]

Only 20s as I remember tho.

You would still lost focus recovery until you have at least 30 sunflower

Or else you can play 18 sunflower and fill the remaining slots with utility skills with focus recovery

🤔 I dont know if possible but it's no doubt that playing sunflower alongs with the hammer is a DPS lost. Why dont you just build hornet nest if ya intent to play the sup role in the first place?

[dry haven]

What book help me with Focus? Change from retail to neo... 🙁 i dont rly know what are my options on summoner q.q

[dry haven]

Bcs i was dumb and Toke the sunflower out of my first purple book and die blue sunflower on my 45 boost...

[slow jasper]

cat Q, Hive Swam 3, Daybreak X. These should be the most used

[slow jasper]

Retail? BNS Live?

[dry haven]

Have to farm some New books, but idk how fast i get some blue and purpe books for hornet while i could use purpe sunflower Atm...

I think i am going to change as fast as possible. But atm it Seems the best for playing the purple sunflower instead of green hornet

[outer hamlet]

do a second account problem solved gg

[dry haven]

Mhhh probably. But got good badges. And the 50€ pre register Outfit... would cry hahaha

[outer hamlet]

oof

[slow jasper]

🤔 purple books on the market is pretty cheap now. Only sunflowers is expensive.

[dry haven]

Mh... wasnt it 10€ 1k gems ? Mhh

[slow jasper]

Idk

Im not an NA/EU player

[steel python]

Hornets is best

because i can type in world chat and barely lose any dps

[slow jasper]

🤯

fr

[steel python]

Party doesnt care cuz they get focus and def shred

[spiral dagger]

Xddd

[dry haven]

Fine fine...
Im trying to get hornet Nest and debuff cheap... sad i toke sf from my purple Box.... should have get hornet Nest... meh.

[spiral dagger]

dude play sunflower

or play what u like more

[slow jasper]

yup, you can play whatever u want

bonking cat can also.do the trick

😭

[spiral dagger]

tbh this game is just dps simulator, u need to do that or u will never see new dungs

and it will be ever more on yeti or naga content

while ppl in kr had problems to clear naga (76lvl boss)

[slow jasper]

The upcoming 4 mans pt Yeti. Atleast 16k to 18k SF each person to be able to clear it

😭

There will be a lot of dps interruptions cuz of Yeti's jumping AOEs

bunch of them are purple AOEs

[bleak wadi]

so it’s not in NA yet?

[bleak wadi]

wait how are you doing this? which book(s) did you give up to have both

[slow jasper]

TW/NA/EU/JP have the same note patch

[slow jasper]

9 hornet nests + 4 hammers. The rests are sheed shroud, cat Q, poison LB, besties and cat pin

[dry haven]

Cat q should be taunt? Or Focus thing?

[slow jasper]

taunt for solo dungeon and exp farm like mushin tower..,Forcus recover is most used for daily

[proud field]

For Naksun, you might want taunt. Anything else always focus recovery.

[dry haven]

Focus is blue book? Maaa i have to wait 2 days to cash on Market for good books -.-

[proud field]

I believe focus q is indeed blue.

[dry haven]

So annoying. Need besties, deff shred, Focus Grab and the q focus

It so annyoing i have to wait 3 days after cash..

[proud field]

Don't overdo it. Go for the important ones at first.

Focus q, then overflow 4.

[dry haven]

Only have 5k... its hard wnough find groups for chuanka... there are no good drop Rates for blue books...

[proud field]

Focus grab, any purple pin at the lowest price.

[dry haven]

Yes. It Depens how much is it im Market 🙂

[proud field]

Keep in mind that many players have no idea what they're doing in Neo. So don't get discouraged when you do not get accepted in a party.

[dry haven]

Anyway in BP, the mystic badge is selectable but the soulbadge is still rng ?

Ty 🙂

[proud field]

Try your very best to get into a clan/guild.

Make sure they accept lower geared players like yourself and that they won't shy from helping you specially in those blue dungeons.

[proud field]

If you're on sunflower, make sure you get the right badges.

However even if you have the lowest like desert I believe they're called, make sure they're for your spec skills.

[proud field]

Remember that can you advertise in world chat that you want to buy purple skills. As soon as someone dms you, negotiate.

See the market, and negotiations should begin.

Don't overpay, cause prices have dropped and will continue to drop.

[dry haven]

Y but how, trade isnt av i guess

[proud field]

Trade is not available. However if you and I agree on a price on a specific item, I will just add it on the market and you 5 to 10 min later buy it from F5.

[dry haven]

Y i got the purple sunflower out of chest. Now i saw i can play summ on good supp with hornet 🙁

[dry haven]

Oh ok, have to be quick then

[proud field]

Sunflower will give you more DPS/damage while Hornet will have less but can be more supportive than Sunflower.

[proud field]

Pretty much.

[dry haven]

I was always heal supp main... so its maybe a good choice huntin for hornet build for endcontent...

So i could try to get 48 hornet 12 hammer..

[proud field]

Building Hornet will indeed be much cheaper on today's prices.

But you can't say you'll be a healer even on Hornet. More support sure, but you won't be able to heal every single time your party is on low hp. Every 3 min with besties, or daybreak if they're close(however you might want that to be used as a iframe) or Hive (3) for more focus.

[dry haven]

Yes. Thats why i choose sunflower out of my purple Selection Box.
I think its a good start. And now i am trying to get hornet when its cheap

[proud field]

But healing constantly no.

[dry haven]

Besties have 3min CD? I though 45sec?

[proud field]

Hornet is already 2.5 to 3k per skill. (Purple of course)

[dry haven]

Sunflower i saw on 9k haha

[proud field]

I'm not in-game, but press K, you can check every skill.

[dry haven]

Yes but i am thinking abiut the permanent 30% deff

[dry haven]

Im at work in my break atm hahaha

[proud field]

That helps, but at a cost of your own. You'd always have to be "carried".

[dry haven]

I heared much easyer with hornet then sunflower
But its possible with sunflower. Just change my lmb to poison i guess

[proud field]

(my point of view anyway)

[proud field]

Yes it is, RMB adds poison (if I remember).

[dry haven]

Atm im using Photosynthese lmb but i think it isnt that bad change to purple poison. So if i crit i get an Photosynthese Stack... i only have to crit .... hua

[proud field]

That's not as hard as a summoner. Will get easier with more CRIT added of course.

You'll always have more crit rate than crit damage. They're both important. Just that crit damage will show you the CRIT on the target and critical rate will give you the opportunity to crit more often. The higher the better.

[dry haven]

Yeah, i think i am going to play that untill i get in hard endcontent haha

[dry haven]

Yeah i think for beginning it wasnt a bad choice take sunflower at start 🙂 lets see Whats coming in market for meee

[proud field]

It never is. You just have to choose your battles.

[dry haven]

Well. I see alot ppl playing with deff Reduction wirhout havin 1 single poison skill book... thats funny

[proud field]

Prickly adds 4, lb can add one per click.

[dry haven]

yeah but only 4 stacks max i though

[proud field]

You need 5 to then hammer and get the defense reduction.

[dry haven]

for 4sec, every 1 sec D:

[proud field]

You apply prickly, you get 1 stack every sec, you then lb (that has poison), you'll have 5, you hammer.

[dry haven]

yesss ik 🙂 but i talked about ppl dont even had lb with poison and no prickly xD

[proud field]

You mean you see players with the hammer skill but not applying poison?

[dry haven]

yasss

[proud field]

Then it means they wasted that hammer skill slot.

[dry haven]

always the same. run a build and dont know what it means xD

[proud field]

You however know better so you can't fall for that mistake.

[dry haven]

yas.

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[lament skiff]

Just get to 48 hammer and prickly will be enough

[dry haven]

3 days after cash issues

this thing is givin me hard

[lament skiff]

Does TW/JP have pending gems?

Also, technically the pending gems thing is still a swipe issue. Just swipe enough that the 10% unbound gems is the amount you need
-# This is sarcasm

[spiral dagger]

no

nca just care about our wallets and they dont want to let us swipe
they want us all to do rmt, that's their plan

[lament skiff]

Well they're getting paid one way or another

[slow jasper]

that's the oldest trick in the book. In the past, the summoner has some privileges to be in the party for being a support class. Whoever dont have the hammer get rejected. Until today, we dont really matter anymore but you will see some sums still carry the hammer altho they barely use it

[slow jasper]

Nope for TW. Gem gets delivered immediately

Since TW/JP/NA/EU are in the same NEO patch. I wonder if I can use the silverfrost bug report channel? Altho I play in TW

[lament skiff]

Did you try a ticket with your ncsoft?

Did they send you a copypaste response?

Someone tries to reproduce the issue so maybe you'll have some luck

[slow jasper]

No I havent. I thought that those just for launcher or for like account problem only

should I?

[lament skiff]

In our ticket system, there's a section for bugs

Idk if yours has such an option

Try both?

Worst case is they ignore you

[slow jasper]

🤔 alr

[dry haven]

nvm i had luck and dropped it * Q*

[mighty radish]

how much will this go for?

[paper trench]

something under 1k

[lament skiff]

I remember when these shot up when silverfrost dropped

Those were the days

[dry haven]

WTB virtuous soul badge sunflower for 250 - 300 DG? ❤️

[solemn oar]

I had to buy one of my hammers for like 4k

[bleak wadi]

last week 3 were listed for 800

[solemn oar]

I saw

[slow jasper]

🤔 any hornet players here? Or all in here are flowers?

[dawn thunder]

man i'm so bored

nab hornet user here o/

[solid kestrel]

what do you want to know about hornet?
i used to play but switched to sun because sun uwu

there are a few left like dodo, but not many anymore

[dawn thunder]

i switch between hornet and sf. sf gives me splitting headaches

[slow jasper]

🤔 nah, it's just that I found out when you spam hornet from a far distance. You can still get a delay cast altho the previous hit was critical

[dawn thunder]

yeah

1sec cd

its insta cast but u still have to wait

[slow jasper]

nah, I mean the 0.5s cast thing

[solid kestrel]

what's your latency?
and i've been told so long ago by one person to stand closer to the boss but for me it never seemed to make a difference

[dawn thunder]

same

[solid kestrel]

i notice something similar as sunflower, the focus regen is a bit delayed with high latency, probably could be the same with hornet and cast times

[dawn thunder]

the skill has a global cd. its not like you can recast it only when the attack reaches the target

Neo's hornet feels cluncky cuz of that

[solid kestrel]

i never played live so can't compare
but latency is very important for hornet

that's one of the reasons i switched to sun

[dawn thunder]

live's hornet its spammable. you could have multiple hornets in the air before they reached the target

looked like a machinegun

very fun and fluid

and the animation was different

they cucked neo's animations.. unfortunatly

the thing i hate the most is the plit sec whole screen blurr animation when u cast super sunflower

that animation is a pain. and i cant get rid of it

[solid kestrel]

just be blind like me

[dawn thunder]

the thing i hate the most is the plit sec whole screen blurr animation when u cast super sunflower *

[solid kestrel]

would like to turn that off too but somehow got used to it

[dawn thunder]

i left a post on bns buddy. hope they can help me

[slow jasper]

Pay attention to the 4th hornet 🤔 can you guy spot the different in both video?

[dawn thunder]

i know what you mean

its a global cd

its crap. i k

[slow jasper]

I mean this

[dawn thunder]

you didnt get a crit bafore

or it didnt register fast enough

and will take effect next attack

[slow jasper]

yes. that' because I was spamming in the second video. Altho the 3rd strike is critical. The 4th one still show the 0.5s cast time bar

the 3rd strike still not fully hit the dummy, so It didnt calculate fast enough whether the 4th one gotta be instantly or not

[dawn thunder]

yup. that

[slow jasper]

this is weird, it should have calculated right before tho or make the animation fly faster

[dawn thunder]

they only care for the sf build.

weeks after.. queen bee from gm48 hornet isnt fixed

you should play sf if you can..

in a couple of months you're gonna regret playing hornet and will feel like wasted time..

[spiral dagger]

tru

only sf matters

;/

but i love hornet users

they boost my dps

[slow jasper]

🤔

1$ fee each poison stack

[spiral dagger]

[slow jasper]

I remember that you have legendary sunflower yes? Do sunburst in the same level do any damge?

[spiral dagger]

no

it is sh1t

even after buff

[slow jasper]

😭

[paper trench]

We are rich then @frail imp

[slow jasper]

huh, I remember watching his video passing Naksun

[paper trench]

Yeah he tried it for hours for the first kill
Im to lazy for learning rotation
Im good if i get my dailys done everyday after work

[dry haven]

Feel it. Just for the 2g

[solid kestrel]

did someone turn back time?

[severe cargo]

Bad memories

[spiral dagger]

EU xD

[slow jasper]

Taiwan

🥀

[solid kestrel]

on na: same sun book has been relisted 100x at 12k lately, just doesn't sell because too expensive
hornets didn't sell for 2.5-3k either and now relisted at 10k because expire relist higher

[slow jasper]

😭

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[dry haven]

wtb ~ havin 250dg atm ...

[solid kestrel]

nya :3

[slow jasper]

already created a ticket for this 🤔 high chance of being ignore but did it anyway

[paper trench]

If u use f roll after cc u cant use stealth for around 8 sec.
Kinda annoying

[slow jasper]

I noticed this

why is that tho

[paper trench]

Spaghetti code

[slow jasper]

😭

[rigid delta]

There's like 10+ bugs on summoner

[spiral dagger]

Only?

I though it is close to 100

[slow jasper]

the easiest class become the buggiest class

[spiral dagger]

Easiest???

Dude playing purple sunflower and keeping focus before GM buffs was awful
Also if someone was using hammer (like me before) it was challenge to do Dps while boosting your party
Keep cat alive first boss tree or on Lab (twins)

Being kicked from every party on POH patch cuz “summoner is useless, no1 needs them, so low dps”

Also 36 patch, was even worse.

Now u can tell it is easy but turbo expensive compared to others.
Also the most easiest* class with leg book is ice rain fm

[slow jasper]

🤔

[spiral dagger]

I forgot u are playing on TW server so u don’t know that experience from patches before
Cuz TW got full patch with 60lvl

[severe cargo]

I dont remember experiencing this in NA as summoner, infact, i was just a hornet simp and was still outdming most people there

[slow jasper]

I played from the patch that when I could only spam the 4 small blue dungeons in moonwater, high gear char could go bad bug raid and poharan

[slow jasper]

+1

I didnt experience any of that

back when my dps is around 2k and 3k

😭

everyone was like 7k+

[spiral dagger]

It is what it is

On EU with poharan patch, everyone split on summoners
It changed with bsh patch

[slow jasper]

🤔 glad thing change now

maybe it only happened on EU/NA. I didnt get alienation, since in TW, most people just want to have a summoner in the party to pin the boss

found a really old pic

😭

[solid kestrel]

i experienced the summoner hate during poh and cs before i got picked up by a clan
was hornet + def down at that time too and most pugs i'd join during poh i was top dps but still summoner hate :c

[ornate pelican]

MODS

(Take care they hate third party software)

[slow jasper]

[lament skiff]

[spiral dagger]

we were playing without focus pin, it was added with cs or even later i guess so summoner 'was useless'

[lament skiff]

It was with tree, I think?
-# Restless souls, shiver with guilt

[solid kestrel]

yeah it came with he or one of the patches during he
at first i didn't expect it to be that useful because bd already had a focus grab, but it's pretty good

[severe cargo]

BD's focus grab. Makes the target untargetable half of the time lmao

[lament skiff]

Only catmancers dps affected by our grab, otherwise v efficient

[rigid delta]

This indeed happened

Oh wrong guy but still

Majority of summoner players quit because no one wanted them in parties

Class was so ass you could barely get credit on wheel bosses

And blue flower costing you 50k gems

So you could do green book bm and fm dps

I remember the early 45 patch days there was summoner bots running around

Then they quickly realized how bad the class was and made fms and destroyers instead

[slow jasper]

hmm, in TW bots are mostly BM and Des

[brittle glen]

do all cat get stuck in weird places or its just ping issue?

[spiral dagger]

yes

[tropic mountain]

they get stuck in weird places, it's just a cat bug

[brittle glen]

sadge

god forbid if there's a small ledge that cat got stuck into

😼

[lament skiff]

You need to swipe to enable cat gps

[solid kestrel]

tried, mine is not working did i get a faulty one?

[spiral dagger]

@proud field gz top10, where are summoners all of u quit guys?

[proud field]

I was wondering the same. I know of a few top10, that if they'd be online I wouldn't get it.

[slow jasper]

🤔 everyone is quitting on summoner?

how

everyone I know in TW is almost trying to switch out or buying another summoner account

[lament skiff]

Digimon is out and wmm next month

[severe cargo]

Ayo new digimon game?

[lament skiff]

Time stranger is single player, but yes

[severe cargo]

Oh and theres even a demo on steam, neat

[snow valley]

I can't do world bosses during week because of work. Only weekends, if I don't forget.

[steel python]

Summ accounts in demand?

Wtf

[slow jasper]

🤯

[steel python]

I'm definitely not doing anything with that information I plan on playing this game forever

[slow jasper]

Well, summoners on TW are needed in each party for sundered nexus, asura,...Due to the def down, pin, besties and stealth. Especially those that have 18 def down hammer

Like most dont really care about the output damage anymore, just need pin, heal and stealth is good enough

even some low SF sum accounts like 7.5k 8k can go asura now

Somehow the amount of sum player is small as well. Each clan only have 1 sum in average

[glossy geyser]

Ayo, the digimon game actually looks dope

But holy hell the price of it

[mighty radish]

WTB Mystic Badge EU

[glossy geyser]

@lament skiff The real goat coming tho:

[slow jasper]

🤔

[spiral dagger]

Someone quitting :/

Rip hornet

[slow jasper]

20+ hornet skill books on the market

waiting for the next owner

[lament skiff]

What do yellows cost on your server now?

[slow jasper]

hornet yellow skill book?

[lament skiff]

any yellow

[slow jasper]

alright, let me check

[slow jasper]

non core skills are likely to be under 100k

[lament skiff]

Oh crazy

How are your purples sub 1k

[slow jasper]

maybe because of the bot

because of the new silverfrost patch

and NCS allows us to freely create account at level 45

so new bot accounts are likely used to spam poharan

[lament skiff]

I wonder if they're just selling the yellows privately

Oh I thought they were running sf dungeons

[slow jasper]

🤔

SF dungs still too strong I think

I see most bots farm purple skill book in poharan. That's why the price drop massively

the price gradually drop

😭

[lament skiff]

Well at least they’re running summoner bots too

[slow jasper]

🤔

Can't believe I needed at least 750 AP to join poharan back then

I wonder how can these bots pass it anyway

[small gorge]

summoner population got obliterated during the moonwater patch from gatekeeping

[severe cargo]

Do I revive celestial

[severe cargo]

Chef always used to be the highest dmg requirement. Poh herself is more lenient. I don't remember mak sobo tho

[outer hamlet]

and if they are all FM range tanking is EZ

[slow jasper]

🤯

[severe cargo]

Oh right even easier with soft enrages now

[solid kestrel]

you could be the hornet to my sunflower when we yeti together

[severe cargo]

How am I gonna level with hornet in MSP tho

[spiral dagger]

my clan hornet friend is almost 71, he is playinng hornet

he is doinng fine tbh

[severe cargo]

I mean I know its gonna take longer cuz one mob at a time

I just gonna miss my WTD ExpMaxxing hard if I switch

But I have to start from lvl 55, get full purple book, get 280% exp (optional but i think timesave worth it), then evolve my stuff to SF

On top of ST

I stopped playing summ at BSH patch

If I could get access to a leg hornet, I would lowkey consider it

No longer ass fishing for crits for instant hornet would help

[slow jasper]

definitely go with 48gm, hornet at this stage can make most instant casts 🤔

[severe cargo]

What does queen bee do exactly

I remember people saying that its just bugged atm

But regardless I would just like Lego hornet, because its always instant cast regardless

[severe cargo]

Got a question for your connoiseur Summoners.

Is there a point to get leg def down, if the gm effect puts it at 50% anyways? (I am assuming it overwrites the value and its not 80-90% total cuz that seems op)

[lament skiff]

The focus cost and damage

[severe cargo]

Ok if thats it, thats a very minor upgrade

[slow jasper]

queen be is an instant cast no matter the previous hit critical or not and also queen bee is always a critical strike so the next hornet nest will be instant also

[severe cargo]

Ok, so every 3 hit is a crit guarenteed

Thats it?

I mean thats pretty decent

But functionally for Leg hornet its just about more crit for hornet

[slow jasper]

yeah, like the first hit and the third hit is always no-delay

[severe cargo]

Is this even worth it.

It has a 1 second animation before dmg and honey applies and can be interupted by virtually anything and still go on cooldown..

I feels bad for your dps to be at a standstill for 1 sec

Dont think the honey buff is worth that sacrifice

[slow jasper]

I use hive swarm and drain only

but consider remove all for 18gm hammer

[severe cargo]

Purple drain I def want. dmg is instant and is like 500 ms gcd

and it activates badge

Hive swarm, I'll try to see if i can live without it for focus gen, because wanna see if its viable to have projectile block smokescreen as full support

[solemn oar]

Come next patch (hopefully) when we get the buffs to honey for hornets, we may see some build changes to get more uptime on honey.

Currently honey isnt suuuper good for hornets, but with the 30 gm hornet and the changes i could see running drain/dng/hive swarm being bis

[solemn oar]

Its also an easier way to reach 18gm for hammer. You can run leg +1 purple vs 4 purple hammers, freeing up 2 book slots

[severe cargo]

Easier but more expensive for sure

[solemn oar]

As someone who is currently running 48 hornet 18 hammer without any leg, book space is very tight and you have to sacrifice a lot for it. Having even one leg would be fantastic

[severe cargo]

True but if I can I will get hornet leg first

[solemn oar]

just be aware that it becomes extremely focus intensive once you hit 48/leg, you need high crit/ extra focus generation specced to help upkeep it

which is mostly why i think getting either leg hornet or leg hammer to hit your gm thresholds but than open your book slots to spec some additional focus (ie hive swarm/drain/dng) is sort of required. my hornet count suffers as is with queen bee

ive got 2 purple mantras on focus regen to help sustain it and it still isnt enough

i also play 20-30ms normally so thats also a big factor in the focus issues

[severe cargo]

Well I was fooling around on dummy and it didn't look that bad with daybreak and drain. And that's with maintaining def down and purple LMB. With 75% Crit chance I was rarely not casting instant hornet. But I will consider your tips

[slow jasper]

🤔 just curious, what is the word "leg" suppose to mean?

legendary?

[severe cargo]

Yes

[slow jasper]

alr

[proud field]

You won't have 75 crit rate on every target. Dummy is to low lvl to get an idea.

[slow jasper]

🤔 75 crit rate at a level45 dummy might equal as 40% - 45% crit rate at a level 67 boss

can be lower if low acc

[solemn oar]

Yeah, dummy dps isnt really a useful metric for anything these days

[spiral dagger]

dng is useless af, i dont like it

just waste time to use it

[proud field]

It's a waste of time unless you have a Purple skill to switch it with. If you want to switch it with a Blue skill, it's still better since the Blue skill won't give you a huge increase.

(won't matter if it's a blue sunflower in the above example)

[solemn oar]

Yeah dng feels awful to use.

[dry haven]

someon can tell me the dg price of purple smothering paws?

[solemn oar]

Dont really need it on sf anymore with all the gm buffs, but depending on how big the hornet honey buff is, might see a use case

[dry haven]

you mean mee?

[solemn oar]

O no not you sorry

[dry haven]

its ok, just wanna be a good supp xD 😄

wtb 500 DG
EU help a little though dungeons 😄

[severe cargo]

Nah I get it. It was my brain on 2 am. I forgot that photo stacks and such were affected by how often you crit

Cuz of venomous lmb

Makes sense I'm gonna sh1t my pants on focus Regen if I attempt nexus

Also mind you I'm LVL 55 and it was green hollow dummy

[slow jasper]

🤔

you 48gm hornet yet?

[severe cargo]

Nah in rerolling from fm

I gotta sell its gear and books first

I had a summoner I played until deep into bsh patch as a base

[spiral dagger]

and why u roll from fm to summoner

i kinda dont get it ;/

[severe cargo]

Basically impossible market

And summoner was my OG in neo

[proud field]

Summoner is indeed the future.

[severe cargo]

The only hard thing is finding a leg hornet or leg def down

Rest will be piss easy and cheap compared to fm

I attempted to contact someone on discord that I know haven't played in a while but he's ghosting everyone

He has the only non salvaged hornet copy in NA afaik

[severe cargo]

Heck I don't need gear worst case scenario I can just brute force reroll it

But I will try to find gear

[rigid delta]

I'd just stay fm

[severe cargo]

Screw that man

Btw have you sold your EXP badges yet

[rigid delta]

No

[severe cargo]

I'm interested in them for some reason

[spiral dagger]

almost

im so tire

need help

worth

[severe cargo]

501 piercing from one single lvl, hot damn

[outer hamlet]

imo 500 is way too low but u can go for other pin it's not that important

[severe cargo]

All pins come with the 20% focus regen nowadays, right?

[dry haven]

whats the price tell me

[tropic mountain]

yes all purple pins

[dry haven]

what are pins?

u mean grab?

[outer hamlet]

idk i didn't look for it recently i 'd guess 1.5k like all spells a lot of ppl want once in the class (besties, daybreak, ...)

[severe cargo]

Bro that's 4 people telling me that now 😭

[rigid delta]

summoner not as appealing as it seems

cat ruins the experience

[severe cargo]

Cc immune cat when

[spiral dagger]

it is here actually, just need gm stacks

[severe cargo]

Cheer up?

Or smth else

One Cheer up sold for 120k in na yesterday

[spiral dagger]

on bonk bonk u have immune to cc for cat, for 1 sec or smth

36 gm or 48

120k for cheer up?

[severe cargo]

Yeah I was surprised too

[spiral dagger]

imagine how much ppl are paying for sunflower or smth

idk, NA is different world compared to EU

on EU trash books are for 40k

sometimes even lower

last few days was wind sever on market for 70k

same with EP and storm cleave

pulverize went for 50k

[severe cargo]

EU twice as cheap

Gems to gems

I got wtd for 160k

[spiral dagger]

XD

u have wtd

and uare rolling to summoner

u are crazy dude

[severe cargo]

Look

[spiral dagger]

i wish to change class but now it is kinda too late

[severe cargo]

Either I fork 320k or I wait 2month to get 5 purp wtd at non scam prices

For 48 gm

[spiral dagger]

i would like to play destro

[severe cargo]

Like

I tried for 8 days to buy purp wtd

0 dms

[spiral dagger]

ye i believe that

[severe cargo]

Purp FM book market is just non existent

[spiral dagger]

same with destroyer till someone quit

and last days many destro quits

also sins

but i can't imagine to sell my gear now

no1 will buy it

also skills

and who will lvl up next character, obv. not me xD

[severe cargo]

The only hope I have is for the purple selector book from Battle pass on October 15th

If we do get one

That way the force Masters will put one book on the market when replacing them with the bound selector

[spiral dagger]

I don't even have anything to take from purple selector XD

maybe another sunflower to switch double kd

or preparing vine whip but it is like 500-600 divines on market most of the time

so not worth

[dry haven]

Well some ppl told me game is dying. I hope Not xD

[proud field]

Low brain activity people will keep on saying that and still play the game.

It's one of those hate just to hate but ignorant enough to keep on playing the game regardless.

[slow jasper]

😭 TW still crown as heck. Cant even touch the field boss cuz it's only available in the first three channels. I always come like before the spawn time 1 hour but then realize the channel was up to 8 channels, the remaining 7 and below are full

[dry haven]

well i dont care, if i get my groups and got enough endcontent im fine

[slow jasper]

yup yup

[steel python]

Idk twitch viewership seems to have dropped like a rock and I'm seeing quite a few friends quit

[slow jasper]

🤯

[spiral dagger]

she needs more cheerup stacks

;/

[severe cargo]

48/48/48 gm builds

Damn

High reqs

[slow jasper]

yup. she did say she need two more Z to full fill the build

[severe cargo]

Isnt it the cheer up one only for cat to be undying?

[slow jasper]

yup

48 cheer up allows the cat to have drain

[severe cargo]

How much drain is it tho

[slow jasper]

Same as herself which follow those card sets that have drain ability

her damge in 1:25 on a dummy

51k is the cat, 62k is herself

[spiral dagger]

actually nice

but still sunflower > everything else

[slow jasper]

apparently so

[spiral dagger]

idk when i was last time on dummy

but it is what i have in history meter

[slow jasper]

So strong, what a champ 😭 I wish

Can i view your F3?

[severe cargo]

[slow jasper]

🤔 yeah, he should be hiding his name before showing it. I play on TW so I dont think it gotta be matter to me that much

[spiral dagger]

are u guys crazy

[slow jasper]

😭

[severe cargo]

Knowing NCsoft, they would randomly ban people for that while ignoring hackers for sure

[spiral dagger]

okay

[slow jasper]

🤯

[spiral dagger]

https://www.twitch.tv/kappucinio

in my old vods

u can see my dps in dungs

long time no stream but w/e

[zinc vault]

missing that radio

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-gif-8510554628372069925

[spiral dagger]

tomorrow stream, just for you

[dry haven]

what does speed do?

[slow jasper]

You can use it without delay, no CD also

[zinc vault]

[dry haven]

and what does the skill do? though only debuff is good

[slow jasper]

it's your main damge output of that build

[dawn thunder]

Cheer Up! is bugged btw. or working as intended idk (?)

[outer hamlet]

nice dps for a non soul badge buffed ability

[slow jasper]

what bug u mention here?

[slow jasper]

Im imagning how bad this build gotta be when come to pvp

[spiral dagger]

who is playing pvp in this game

[dawn thunder]

without cheer up, your cat barely takes dmg from most bosses, aoes etc. depends on the content you're doing ofc. but mostly.
with cheer up, the game thinks of your cat as a player and the cat gets alot of dmg from anything and you cant keep up with the helps.
"but the gm speed hammer gives imunity" - yeah versus status dmg, not the dmg itself.

[spiral dagger]

i mean pvp in neo non-exist

[dawn thunder]

with this skill system? nah

i was a pvp player back in live. this system saddens me. cant test new things, cant swap skills depending on situations.. unless you swipe hard and get new gear pieces

[spiral dagger]

even with new/pvp gear when u meet someone who doesnt even have pvp skills, just 100 gm stacks and 1-2shoot u

[dawn thunder]

yup

[slow jasper]

🤔 you have to use cheer up for that build tho. To trigger to communication buff

[slow jasper]

Saeha now uses sunflower + cheer up and speed hammer

some of TW sum whales already used this build. Seem like a meta build

damge + def down

[spiral dagger]

no run out of focus? hmm

it looks nice i think, i was thinking to use vine whip cuz of poison stacks, sunflower got buffs to additional dmg actually so idk which one can be better but poison seems to be better anyway?

[slow jasper]

you do include hive swarm and daybreak so maybe not? leg speed hammer only costs 1 focus per hit

[olive flicker]

how much dmg each hammer dose ?

[slow jasper]

80k - 95k

[olive flicker]

what about supersunflower??

[olive flicker]

impressive !!

[slow jasper]

the small number is the hammer, big number is sunflower

the speed hammer does deal some kind of damge even tho the silverfrost badge doesnt enhanced it

[olive flicker]

tell them to increase this skill to 5s
or change the add dmg per stack .. the more poison stucks the stronger add dmg
they may listen to you

or the only way with this build is to add DnR and this one
I think it will boost the hammer dmg 20%

[outer hamlet]

leak

[spiral dagger]