it's either you need the acc or you don't owo
#Summoner
solid kestrel
proud field
As it is now without picking the right side.
solid kestrel
will have to trade away cr for acc at some place, and in this case 194acc for 211 cr is very good
if you use primers or reroll ss you'll only get a ~0.76 rate
proud field
My ss's are all fused with crit/crit dmg.
solid kestrel
what content are you doing? if you're trying to get into ssg then definitely more acc
if it's just HE then 1100 is fine
solid kestrel
speaking out of experience sunflower with low acc is sadness, i'm slowly rerolling most of my ss primers to acc
solid kestrel
if you got the funds, top should be cr + acc 
proud field
if you got the funds, top should be cr + acc <a:sweating:852729558218178580>
I used probably 30 on each ring and necklace.
That necklace went how it went, I now picked the acc.
And ring is stuborn. I ran out of materials.
solid kestrel
30 sounds lucky :3
proud field
solid kestrel
i'm well over 100 for each piece 
proud field
Gezus no, I don't want that.
solid kestrel
at leat poh psyches are cheap now (on na)
so if anyone wants to reroll now probably is a good time to
proud field
The psyches might be, the the materials are a pain.
proud field
Haven't been at Blazing in a hot minute.
It is, when you keep on trying and you run out.
solid kestrel
grind harder and be patient is the best advice uwu
i'm fairly impatient with enhancements at times and it costs a lot
solid kestrel
you need like 2500-2600 for 100% on mookwan i heard
proud field
Christ, no way.
solid kestrel
yeah... idk how to get that much either without losing a lot of cr
proud field
I see top sums on EU with 1.7 and 2k and I'm sure they're doing everything.
solid kestrel
it's just annoying to run out of focus every now and then
but at least during tent phase you can shroud a lot to get focus back
just got over 1800 acc today, will try to aim for 2k and see how that goes, if it's still bad i'll keep exchanging cr for acc until it feels comfortable enough
solid kestrel
cr is a scam anyway, it ranges from 45-55% for me owo
proud field
But he still has.
There should be a sweet spot for acc, so we don't waste resources for nothing.
proud field
Do we need bleed in Lab as a sum?
lament skiff
Do we have a reliable bleed besides rumble?
proud field
Do we have a reliable bleed besides rumble?
What skill is that on sf?
proud field
Rumblebess ! gezus.
proud field
We have a bleed scratch
That's the only one I noticed. Minou can be pined.
lament skiff
Pin already has an 18s cd
barren drum
@steel python Lord Dodo, are you a summoner mathematician too? How do others get so much weird info about rates—ACC, CR, CD, Ping/MS… I just pew pew with bees, the last bee.
steel python
Acc = get enough not to miss
Crit = get be crit on everything
Ping = there's a setting to show ping, you want like 7 ping
steel python
True
spiral dagger
solid kestrel
<@172588779847024640> Lord Dodo, are you a summoner mathematician too? How do ot...
pls stop calling hornets bees, it's an insult to the real bees players 
worldly palm
pls stop calling hornets bees, it's an insult to the real bees players <:Charlot...
its like mixing Poison with Honey 🫃
dusty yarrow
pls stop calling hornets bees, it's an insult to the real bees players <:Charlot...
the legendary bees / cat build
gusty kiln
Do we need bleed in Lab as a sum?
Nah you just need cc for lab
Tree is stay awake check, SSG is dps check and Lab is cc check
worldly palm
is it recommended to get the blue or purple book of this skill? for AoE damage
worldly palm
Blue adds focus recovery, iirc
yes it does, aright im going to buy it
outer hamlet
you should ditch it if you have prpl daybreak tho
(i wish i could sitll use it but SF gm is too important)
worldly palm
(i wish i could sitll use it but SF gm is too important)
I think its better to have it over 2GM, because it also does damage overtime and focus recovery
Since currently we don't have GM effects yet
dusty yarrow
just updating the situation, cheer up is still bugged
glossy geyser
WTS EU
hard hamlet
meow :3
glossy geyser
https://tenor.com/view/ten-bucks-pay-me-payment-10dollars-demanding-gif-13331653
Give me a real offer 
outer hamlet
damn a normal price 
solemn oar
have we found anything out about queen bee yet
dusty yarrow
It doesn't change the icon/tooltip, it just increases the damage a little.
but it's kind of bad to communicate in kr
solemn oar
any rough math on the increase of it?
warped basin
WTS EU
true stirrup
have we found anything out about queen bee yet
How many gm48+ hornets players are on NA?
solemn oar
ngl youre the only one that comes to mind
na smns dont seem to whale as much as other classes :l
solemn oar
whaling on hornets feels kinda bad when we get so little damage
i could buy like 3 or 4 hornets and just do like maybe a few thousand more in ssg :[
solid kestrel
How many gm48+ hornets players are on NA?
pls sponsor 2 for my alt? 
dusty yarrow
How many gm48+ hornets players are on NA?
maybe only u
true stirrup
whaling on hornets feels kinda bad when we get so little damage
Yup lmao
solid kestrel
you're not running out of focus even without drain & daybreak?
do you just keep cat in q all the time
outer hamlet
new qustion for cat owners
i just cleared lab for the first time but i tried to resurect my cat for tempest lord and it instantly trigered boss aggro do you have same problem ?
lament skiff
I usually run away before calling the cat back
outer hamlet
i was 16m+ tempest ran and dashed on me
solid kestrel
never had that happen before if i'm far enough owo
outer hamlet
guess i ll need to confirm but i was just chilling press tab and got agro
proud field
Who's selling this?
outer hamlet
fyi saw one for 2k he other day
prime salmon
@solid kestrel is my pet 
ashen monolith
<@150281999557459969> is my pet <:bns_sly:1198525071338262539>
We listen and we don't judge
Maybe silently
spiral dagger
new qustion for cat owners
i just cleared lab for the first time but i tried to...
How long it takes after killing brothers before u res the cat?
I mean tempest lord appear when u kill Rajin and Fujin and your team has 60 sec to start fight or he will start the fight
Some runs my cat was dead too but never took aggro when I summon him back
outer hamlet
How long it takes after killing brothers before u res the cat?
I mean tempest l...
this might be it then we were changing gear and refresh buff ... i resurrect cat at the end because it get you in combat i will share this new data ty
gusty kiln
My cat gets 100 to 0 wombo combo obliterated at Raijin but it’s fine elsewhere
spiral dagger
My only dying by purple circle :/ sometimes I just don’t pay much attention to it
Also lab is so fcking sad.
So rng and long
I hate doing this, I’m glad my friends wants to do daily only XD
lament skiff
We stopped bothering
It's a waste of time and blessing at this point
I only bother joining friends trying to learn the fight
spiral dagger
Ye, but we have some ppl in clan who wants Jornual so we take them for daily also
lament skiff
Aaah
spiral dagger
Most of the time we are going 4mains + 2 less geared friends to help them
spiral dagger
Daaamn
But lab is kinda.. I don’t want to even think about it
Let’s see
Sell me leg def redu :/
lament skiff
There's more than that
They're all just stuck on 4 players lol
There should be 1 more out there
spiral dagger
I just need 2 leg def redu and I will be happy and done for now
lament skiff
Nu, go for 3
spiral dagger
I have 3 frags so thinking about buying any trash leg book
lament skiff
There's a wl book
spiral dagger
But I’m kinda poor, I mean can buy the book but transmute will be painful
Cuz my rng is kinda.. non exist
lament skiff
Well, I think it would be best if you just buy it from me
And send me your fragments =p
elder wyvern
Does bestie increase sum hp as well?
lament skiff
Purple?
elder wyvern
Purple
lament skiff
You get the 50% hp buff
true stirrup
I've made a mistake
steel python
Yea he did buy
proud field
If they would have had the same dmg, I definitely would have been on Hornet.
tawdry orbit
someone know what is it?
proud field
Get it and see since it will be in your mail. You do not have to get it on any character if you do not want them. They'll stay in your mail forever.
dim kelp
Guys how to active defense reduction if my build sunflower ?
tawdry orbit
Guys how to active defense reduction if my build sunflower ?
second summoner xD
https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU300725"&class="Summoner"&spec=0&neoSkills="H4sIAIvfomgAA2vaEpyak5pckpoSnJ2Zk5OUn5_tmVI8rXGRZ8pZpktgipkTwvsKpliqIYLuEME3G8H6fBOLS1KLKoNLEktSG7ehCIGNz8zPK24AAB6cVAlsAAAA"
I've highlighted all skils that hang poison, but in fact almost all of them except for 1 or Tab, not much sense to use
Lunge and Prickly Stance
- Smothering paw
oh usually prickly stance (even green) is enough + LB with poison
and to constantly hang poison, you need a real second Summoner, because otherwise you lose damage just trying to hang it and it's not worth it.
dim kelp
that build for rumblebees , my mine is sunflower build which want use defense reduction u have any idea ?
solid kestrel
that build for rumblebees , my mine is sunflower build which want use defense re...
it's still the same 4 skills for poison: prickly, venom rose thorn, lunge and smothering paw
most people use prickly, venom, paw (LMB refresh)
others use prickly, lunge, paw (tab only)
each has their pros and cons
tawdry orbit
that build for rumblebees , my mine is sunflower build which want use defense re...
It's not a ramblers build, I just highlighted all the poison skils. In any case simpler than just prickly stans and LB venom doesn't really make much sense anyway
that's the bare minimum
depends on what stage you want to build.
minimum for venom+maximum gm sf and a second if besties get it.:D
or if you're rich xD
outer hamlet
🤡
spiral dagger
proud field
Who's selling this? No need anymore.
ashen monolith
thinking
spiral dagger
thinking
i skip acc almost everywhere tbh
detect is much better than 'no evade'
when i had 1,8k acc and 99.6% on sunflower on mookwan
i was like 49-51% crit most of the time
now i have like 56-57% with 1,450~ accuracy
ashen monolith
now i have like 56-57% with 1,450~ accuracy
Yeah i got like 55% on both build
spiral dagger
if there is any hornet user summoner who needs carry on lab or even ssg (if u can do atleast 12-15k dps on monarch) - msg me EU SERVER
proud field
Discrimination. 
spiral dagger
Discrimination. <:bns_phew:1198525066925842552>
i just love to run with hornet players ;/ i wish they will buff this build someday
proud field
i just love to run with hornet players ;/ i wish they will buff this build somed...
If they will, I'll hate it. Cause I wanted to play Hornet, but it was/is to weak.
spiral dagger
1 more purple sunflower to sell btw
im poor now, can i buy it in loan??
lament skiff
nu
spiral dagger
;/
still herald
i skip acc almost everywhere tbh
Hi, quick question, if i put my acc down, can my cat miss the v kd?
lament skiff
Your cat has its own accuracy
proud field
Hi, quick question, if i put my acc down, can my cat miss the v kd?
Only your attacks can miss, CC's can not, or at least that's how I perceived it from the beginning.
uncut fable
Only your attacks can miss, CC's can not, or at least that's how I perceived it ...
the cat has more accuracy, thats why its CCs dont miss. but if you would be the caster of the CC and dont have enough accuracy, you would still miss
rigid delta
Your cat can miss
Its stupid. But there's a chance it can. Depending on how out leveled you are
proud field
Who do be selling this? No need anymore.
proud field
But 44k though, damn.
spiral dagger
nice
44k every 1 sec
sad af
maybe with new badge it will be playable
more than now
paper trench
yeah volco told me he do 10k more dps with def down, focus grab
spiral dagger
not that much
but it is higher for sure
also volco is addicted to play with summoners
lament skiff
Collecting them like the rings of power
crisp stag
lets hope xd
With hornent build?
paper trench
ye
crisp stag
ye
I was thinking about change (again) to Hornet...but i did exile today with a hornet player with 46 stacks of hornet , 1116 AP 5k Crit R , 4000 crit dmg and he did 27
proud field
Hornet is only good to give more dps to a sunflower summoner. Otherwise he's a support with un poco dps.
paper trench
I was thinking about change (again) to Hornet...but i did exile today with a hor...
did he played the flower
i was like 36k dps
crisp stag
did he played the flower
no.Fm did it
paper trench
also dont forget to apply the dps from the cat to his dps
crisp stag
i was like 36k dps
i deal like 30 to 34 on exile with SF and in SSg i deal like 21
that's why i wanna see your build stats xD
paper trench
i got the legi 10mins ago i havent done any dungeon with new skill
on dummy i do like 9-10k more
crisp stag
on dummy i do like 9-10k more
😮
paper trench
45k with purple and 55 now with legi
crisp stag
45k with purple and 55 now with legi
with petal storm=
paper trench
yes
maiden flint
im doing like 17-18k in hexwood 
proud field
Top 10, soon on HBO.
crisp stag
Top 10, soon on HBO.
i was 11 xD
uncut fable
too many legendary sunflower owners nowadays 😔
crisp stag
xD
spiral dagger
i got the legi 10mins ago i havent done any dungeon with new skill
share dmg on mookwan pls
counts on priv pls
outer hamlet
You have till saturday to hit 10 then i come back for that sweet 9th spot😄
Oh nvm maby 10 with asuna leg
bleak wadi
u guys r so stronk
crisp stag
WTS purple SF x2 EU pm offer
merry prairie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDePmyle-cc
her gear :3
lament skiff
I'm very bad at hitting the soul core button
Maybe I should just accept a 3 stat soul core
hard hamlet
meow :3
solid kestrel
nya :3
solemn oar
yeah thats the ken & gen soul core
unreal birch
I was thinking about change (again) to Hornet...but i did exile today with a hor...
My best exile run is 34k with 48 hornet stacks, so no clue what that sum with you was doing
crisp stag
My best exile run is 34k with 48 hornet stacks, so no clue what that sum with yo...
maybe skill issues xD
unreal birch
That might be it xD
crisp stag
WTS 2x purple SF EU
proud field
Is there a way to calculate the dps inc once you (in this example) add one more purple sunflower?
spiral dagger
yes, open yast and see how much % it gives to u
then do math?
https://ci3t.github.io/calc-skill-neo-basic/
also Emraell send something like this long time ago
proud field
https://ci3t.github.io/calc-skill-neo-basic/
also Emraell send something like t...
Based in this, it adds like 1k dps, no way.
spiral dagger
i never use it
when i had divines, i just buy what i wanted and just upgrade
so if u have cash for sunflower, buy it and use it
??
lament skiff
You'll have to do that calc for both SF and SSF
proud field
You'll have to do that calc for both SF and SSF
It's kinda cool to estimate, but yea I'll do it for ssf a bit later, thank you.
brave oracle
WTS (offer)
fiery cape
im sick of this
proud field
Cat is not using chatgpt 5.0 
brave oracle
im sick of this
I sent a report with evidences...let's see if they will do something
lament skiff
Give the cat pathfinding D=
solid kestrel
it used to be fine
they patched the bug in a few weeks ago
hammered away our cat's last braincells :c
solid kestrel
cats never get lost uwu
crisp stag
WTS 2x purple SF EU
spiral dagger
Fair price wdym
ashen monolith
i'm suprised nobody bought it in the last 2 hours
proud field
i'm suprised nobody bought it in the last 2 hours
Cause Hornet is doodoo, that's why. (my opinion)
proud field
Top 10, soon on HBO.
As I was saying !
proud field
also where is fusel. i miss him <:bns_cry:1198678778906427532>
He was 11. 🙊
spiral dagger
also where is fusel. i miss him <:bns_cry:1198678778906427532>
holidays
proud field
No, the prices are going down, but that's still around 70 euros, so truthfully they're not worth it if it's counted like that.
lament skiff
Reject Sunflower, Embrace Hornet
proud field
Reject Sunflower, Embrace Hornet
Only when it's equal dmg or more.
lament skiff
I need a pocket poison applier T_T
proud field
I need a pocket poison applier T_T
Just today I told Lui that with how Hornet is, they are my pocket hornet (referencing to a pocket healer).
proud field
hornet will always be the best summoner spec
lament skiff
lol we need our hornet summoners to hammer
proud field
lol we need our hornet summoners to hammer
Sunflower summoners can/should be doing it also.
reef steppe
WTS NA
solemn oar
I feel like lunge is kindve a trap with how much you want to keep cat in q
But ssg is also super forgiving with focus regen with all the free counters we can get
So maybe its fine 
ashen monolith
Well true, but I'm not really aiming for 90% uptime like hornet
solemn oar
Hybrid smn vs sf vs hornets is all just a question of whats best overall party dps with shred uptime vs personal dps.
With the amount of free counters in ssg for prickly resets in ssg, i feel like hybrid smn is probably the best peforming overall this patch. But im not one to crunch numbers
spiral dagger
WTS EU
reef steppe
wts na 3k
upbeat spear
Wts purple sunflower EU
crisp stag
WTS x2 purple SF EU
proud field
That's just bait.
proud field
When 3 months ago?
proud field
At this point you got your moneys back from using it.
proud field
Being first made a difference.
At the current rate of prices, if a sunflower purple is 25euros, that's ok. More than that is a strech.
crisp stag
im trying to sell 2x SF for a week. But not for 10 k 😄
wispy finch
Hi, I play a BM. I'm wondering what skill summoners use that feels like infinite focus when they pin down the boss
proud field
Hi, I play a BM. I'm wondering what skill summoners use that feels like infinite...
Any purple pin skill.
wispy finch
Any purple pin skill.
Like smothering paw?
wispy finch
Oh I didn't know it gives it to everyone, thanks!
proud field
Everyone in the same party.
It might also give to others not in the party, but I'm not sure on that one.
wispy finch
Has to be in party? When I do monarch without party, I still get focus from them
proud field
Has to be in party? When I do monarch without party, I still get focus from them
If you get focus when you attack Monarch while he is being pinned by a cat, then yes.
Both conditions apply, party or not party.
wispy finch
Cool, thanks
barren drum
uncut fable
new gms on rumblebees
- Heroic, Legendary Rumblebees
- 18: On hit, 315 additional damage
- 30: On Critical Hit, 1 additional cast
- 48: On Strike: Speed Increase hit, reduces cooldown of Rumblebees by 1 second
maiden flint
RTCRTCRTC
uncut fable
- Heroic, Legendary Strike: Speed Increases
- 18: While in Communion, 250 additional damage
- 30: On use while in Communion, Familiar is immune to status ailments for 1 second
- 48: When hitting 3 times while in Communion, opponents Defense is reduced by 40%
proud field
https://youtube.com/shorts/QbpMluLLBS0?si=Tz0rZL9xx2TofUzf
That looks as you'd expect, but probably still lower damage than sunflower. 🙊
zinc vault
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1LMJaUGKVyo
who needs cat taunt when your cat is stronger than you and you can't take aggro
maiden flint
what in the bonk
proud field
Or maybe it wasn't you.
spiral dagger
it is 3rd party program
im not using any
so i dunno who was that
but 4sure it wasnt me
proud field
Wrong person then, my bad.
slow jasper
That looks as you'd expect, but probably still lower damage than sunflower. 🙊
seems quite equals to sunflower. She cleared Naksun with rumblebee faster than Sunflower altho before that she also had yellow sunflower skill book
true stirrup
Hi, I play a BM. I'm wondering what skill summoners use that feels like infinite...
Imagine using purple pin book
solemn oar
Purple pin is great if you play in a semi static that actually benefits from it
rigid delta
pretty good for flower rotation as well
solemn oar
Ya ngl even as hornets sometimes the timing of a pin is pretty nice for me too
rose juniper
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1LMJaUGKVyo
who needs cat taunt when your cat is ...
Dear God...
I quit sum like 3 months and now they roid raged the cat? 
crisp stag
WTS 2X purple SunFlower EU
crisp stag
20k both
lament skiff
ready for the rumblebees change?
maiden flint
steel python
My issue with hornets + strike is that you lose besties for cheer up
solemn oar
yeah they should really just change how cat damage is calculated rather than do it through cheer up
besties is so good :/
- cat pins arent gonna feel great
proud field
No way rumblebees is gonna be a thing.
solemn oar
the changes to gm for speed strike make it viable
lament skiff
Can you reach 48 with just purples?
solemn oar
yeah you can, but tbh you want to use leg books, cause its gonna be better to stack rumblebees cause of the badge
lament skiff
I dont follow
solemn oar
if they added strike to the sf badge itd be different
lament skiff
Ah
solemn oar
so just stack leg books for your 48 gm, than go rumble after
if you cant i dont think its worth running the build
lament skiff
48 is 8 purple on top of the first
solemn oar
until you can start properly stacking rumble with leg hammers youd probably want to just use a strike badge
i think rumble will be very good only if you can get the leg hammers
lament skiff
That sounds out of reach for a majority of the playerbase
solemn oar
yeah. until leg becomes a bit more standard and accessible to your avg player
zinc vault
it would be nice tho if all the legendary skills would actually be usable
i'd love to see a meme build on wb after the changes
solemn oar
gotta just see if they do some cool events/battlepasses in the future
dps wise we dont really need leg at all, probably not until yeti releases- even than idk. so its no rush
slow jasper
hmmm, Isnt purple rumblebee still have 1s cast? Yellow skill book is 0.5s which equal with Hornet nest so it's easy to spam RMB and LMB
but for purple one, I dont think we can do that smoothly
😭
solemn oar
ya rumble just isnt viable for a lot of reasons right now
chrome epoch
Who is quitting? xd
chrome epoch
dayum
proud field
And at 70euro a pop not worth it.
slow jasper
Who is quitting? xd
wait 10k 9k diamond is considered cheap, isnt it?
chrome epoch
people used to buy sunflower for 20-50k in the past
lament skiff
How's the morale in TW
slow jasper
pretty normal to me, just a little bit hard to communicate with party members
lament skiff
Is there a reason one might pop besties as it comes off cd instead of strategically
proud field
Is there a reason one might pop besties as it comes off cd instead of strategica...
I noticed that if it's on cd you lose hp.
So, you're stuck till it's off cd.
lament skiff
I don't understand. 10% hp is the cost, so you're always losing hp on cast
proud field
I don't understand. 10% hp is the cost, so you're always losing hp on cast
Yea, after it's on cd, you lose hp when you use it. I assume it gives it to the cat, but that's pretty useless in a dungeon.
proud field
It gives 10% to everyone except you
So you sacrifice yourself for the team while on cd, damn.
steel python
As for popping it on CD, if you know your team won't ever need it, you can pop the 3 min CD for extra damage from HP scaling
lament skiff
As for popping it on CD, if you know your team won't ever need it, you can pop t...
This might be a legitimate use case
proud field
As for popping it on CD, if you know your team won't ever need it, you can pop t...
Damage scales by how much our hp is?
paper trench
Why are u even writing
proud field
What's iirc?
lament skiff
If I recall correctly
proud field
Oh wow, I never used that like that.
lament skiff
Two legendaries for Summoner, out of reach for a majority of the pop
proud field
Two legendaries for Summoner, out of reach for a majority of the pop
Who do we have to bendover?
lament skiff
Maybe TW or JP will post detailed notes
slow jasper
Silverfrost should be a big update.
yep, there will be Naksun, Asura and sundered nexus
alongs with new gears
Have just watched a patch revealing live stream in TW
proud field
yep, there will be Naksun, Asura and sundered nexus
That sounds like fun. Hopefully my current gear should be enough. (doubt)
lament skiff
67?
proud field
Naksun is level 75 tho
No way.
slow jasper
just a single scratch will take you like 90k HP
lament skiff
We're still missin tho =p
slow jasper
We do need a lot of acc tho
slow jasper
We also received some live streaming coupon today. A pretty surprise move from Tw ncs
proud field
We also received some live streaming coupon today. A pretty surprise move from ...
Those 2 codes aco linked on #💬︱neo-chat ?
slow jasper
Those 2 codes aco linked on <#1193429164955541554> ?
Yeah yeah, those
One of them is a random purple skill book, one is selection purple skill book
lament skiff
lol so that's where the budget for the bp went
proud field
One of them is a random purple skill book, one is selection purple skill book
Damn, hopefully we can get such things on EU also.
lament skiff
proud field
Of course we can, it will make some players not moan for a while.
outer hamlet
That sounds like fun. Hopefully my current gear should be enough. (doubt)
there will be cards and insigna QOL so if you are legit in HE you ll be fine in asura (don't know about nexus)
proud field
there will be cards and insigna QOL so if you are legit in HE you ll be fine in ...
I'm ok in HE, but SSG/Lab am still on 20k dps with hammers.
slow jasper
Damn, hopefully we can get such things on EU also.
hopefully so
wait
did u guys try to claim the code with purple?
proud field
did u guys try to claim the code with purple?
Yea, it gives nothing.
slow jasper
it sill purple launcher after all 🤔
slow jasper
Yea, it gives nothing.
😭
proud field
Makes sense. The codes are activated for a specific region.
lament skiff
there will be cards and insigna QOL so if you are legit in HE you ll be fine in ...
Was this mentioned in the stream
slow jasper
Altho the live stream has ended. They didnt mention anything about the 48 stacks thing on Summoner or on any class
lament skiff
No those were not part of silverfrost on its own
But they bundled naksun for some reason?
slow jasper
Idk, Sundered Nexus also. It supposed to be only asura like KR
lament skiff
Well the missing qol shows they’re more than happy to chop up features
proud field
Well the missing qol shows they’re more than happy to chop up features
Do we know what qol would those be?
lament skiff
bonds, fusion cost?
proud field
So just reducing the costs?
slow jasper
Hmm Asura is level 57, currently Mookwan black sea is level 60
proud field
Hmm Asura is level 57, currently Mookwan black sea is level 60
Which means we could technically farm Asura.
slow jasper
with only 40m HP
lament skiff
Silverfrost brings yellow insigs, imagine fusing for those
proud field
Silverfrost brings yellow insigs, imagine fusing for those
Yellow as in legendaries?
slow jasper
Which means we could technically farm Asura.
farming yellow skill book with puny drop rate let's go
😭
lament skiff
Yes, legendary insignias
Well, blue/purple in silverfrost should be "easier" than moonwater yellow
slow jasper
Seems to be there will be new badge and soulbadge, hopefully easy to get
lament skiff
need +10 virtuous
proud field
need +10 virtuous
That's mandatory?
Cause it's not as easy as it sounds. the fragments are a bit of a pain to get.
lament skiff
That's what I've heard
That's how soul badge evo works
That's why someone's been buying out the outfits
proud field
Ah, smart.
slow jasper
That's how soul badge evo works
how about getting from weekly?
lament skiff
Anywho, it's just hearsay
Until someone drops patch notes
Fragments are fragments
Although mystic badges don't currently evolve into the next
proud field
the next badge seems okay for hornet nest
Did they fix the damage on Hornet?
Or it's still doodoo?
slow jasper
Or it's still doodoo?
the badge is just as normal but 12s long
slow jasper
for the soulbadge
85% for rosethorn and hornet nest
sunflower is 110%
rumblebee is 340%
maiden flint
Although mystic badges don't currently evolve into the next
virtuous mystic badge evolves into silverfrost
lament skiff
But is +10 required
maiden flint
for that yeah
lament skiff
There ya go
maiden flint
cant find info on other sources to get new badges, other than evolve
lament skiff
Well I imagine salvaging
slow jasper
cant find info on other sources to get new badges, other than evolve
#1357802662992675099 message
it's in vietnamese language so might hard to translate
maiden flint
i meant just getting the badge, not the effect
maiden flint
like this is yeti drop i think?
and only lists fragments on salvage
and i think these are the field boss outfits, but reads as virtuous soul badge fragments 
lament skiff
Restricting the fragments to just the dungeon outfits is a weird choice
spiral dagger
can someone explian me cuz im kinda lost
we jsut get silverfrost + asura or full patch with nexus, naksun, 80 lvl
cuz i read this guy says we'll get naksun, lvl and everything in one?
what is going on here
maiden flint
the TW preview showed asura, nexus and naksun
if they're in the same patch, who knows
lament skiff
We won't really know until day of
I think TW posted detailed patch notes for its releases
Didn't check JP
So we should get some usable info out of that
lament skiff
You don't want to spend all day in msp?
slow jasper
gotta enjoy being lvl 60 on lvl 67 fights
😭
proud field
<:dude:1410270389363282074>
Hey, can you share your PC specs? (Your game looks supper smooth)
lament skiff
2x 5090s I bet
spiral dagger
proud field
check my twitch ;d
When I clicked here on discord it brought me to YouTube. There was no info there that's why I asked.
proud field
Was this made/built recently?
lament skiff
B650 is one of the older boards, I think
proud field
no, i bought full pc on otto.de
This build with a 12gb graphic and 2tb m2. ssd (not the 1tb nvme you have) is right now 2.2k
Yours is 16gb.
spiral dagger
let me check
proud field
Sounds tempting.
proud field
let me check
It's in on belgium website.
spiral dagger
proud field
Close-ish based on that.
I'm not familiar with amd to much.
I just liked how smooth your gameplay was with characters on on this great optimised game.
spiral dagger
yeah
also on youtube is better quality cuz i can stream with 15k bitrate
on twitch i can do max 8k bitrate
proud field
You can do that on twitch also.
spiral dagger
no, cuz twitch is blocked in 1440p in most countries
proud field
Unless they have a cap.
spiral dagger
also when i will stream in 1440 most of the viewers can watch this in 720p
proud field
I mean, yea if you want others to see the stream, you have to lower the resolution.
spiral dagger
cuz there is not even option for 1080
spiral dagger
im using settings for 1080 on twitch now
but 1440 on youtube
2 different settings i use on obs
proud field
I thought obs has standard settings, and then its up to the website to pick from the site settings.
Anyway, I'm guessing you know best, it's been a while since I messed with stream settings.
spiral dagger
i was trying everything bro to do my best
with quality and everything
and i can't do more for now
proud field
Nah, it looks great, and based on your pc specs that's what I wish I could have, but this laptop won't do. ^^
outer hamlet
if i recall firsts patches of SF mystick was still 10sec but all combined and then got buffed when new RMB +18+30+48 droped
25/06 SF lunch
23/07
and 1 week later rmb +18+30+48
so i wouldn't stress too much about getting your mystic evolved right away (it's still better statistics tho)
and i dont know if they ll up the rates +9->+10 because at 10% you'd be better to buy outfits on market and buy a SF soulbadge
uncut fable
I thought the SF badges were only available through upgrade
lament skiff
Someone might sell theirs?
Or they might have a vendor that turns fragments into chests
Who knows
We'll see on Wednesday
terse viper
https://tw.ncsoft.com/bns/update/2509/intro ye
Tw won't release everything in one go. I play tw server
maiden flint
they said that?
that link is preview for 09/03 patch tho, why would it have extra contents
terse viper
they didn't say straight up, but taiwan server always hold back on contents
Like this thing suppose to open 20points before 9/3 but they didnt
lament skiff
That’s a lot of legendary portraits
terse viper
I am r1 summoner in taiwan
But basically silverfrost sunflower build will look like this
This is kr one of the top summoner
terse viper
You mean the cd hornet +speed hammer build? That one does a lot dmg single target but still fell a bit short compared to sunflower but is getting close
proud field
I assume it's that one.
terse viper
But you also gota be pretty whale to play that build, I would say just stick with sunflower
Too many contents need aoe
proud field
Basically what wind was (hornet) and earth was (sunflower).
What about BGs?
Is sunflower better or will hornet be better cause you can air combo?
terse viper
Hornet better in pvp ,I still personally like sunflower more just to fight against sin
At higher rating is all sin haha
proud field
Hornet better in pvp ,I still personally like sunflower more just to fight again...
Can you one shot in one air?
Or is the HP difference not making that happen?
terse viper
Pretty much not possible haha
proud field
Is debuff damage needed or piercing?
proud field
I see. Then I guess I'm somewhat glad sunflower is still better.
I can manage it in BGs and in PvE it's already good enough.
I just hope that purples will be more available with Silverfrost.
terse viper
For hornet build to be playable still few patch later is too far haha , just stick with sunflower
proud field
For hornet build to be playable still few patch later is too far haha , just sti...
Of course. Besides I won't have another set for BGs anyway nor skill books for Hornet.
terse viper
Silverfrost just focus on leveling, use level to faceroll dungeons
proud field
Silverfrost just focus on leveling, use level to faceroll dungeons
We are currently all 60 max. Hopefully the dungeons that we're getting won't be to high lvl.
proud field
Damn. I thought they'd give us above 60 dungeons to make us sweat.
terse viper
Mushin top floor is level 75 thou haha
proud field
So max lvl will be 75 for now?
proud field
Geez, someone mentioned that before. I wanted to not believe them.
proud field
You're 77. So that must be great for any boss right?
proud field
Oh, I see.
proud field
Then you're in the same patch like us. I'm EU, and NA has the same thing.
terse viper
Yes
proud field
Someone once said we're like 1 month behind kr. But based on what you're saying it's more like 6 months.
proud field
I like that dummy outfit.
terse viper
Is troll haha
lament skiff
That gm level is crazy
proud field
I have 11 gold sunflower
That's what? 200k DPS?
proud field
That's a new wb I assume.
terse viper
No we are on same content
lament skiff
They have the same wb
proud field
Oh wait yes my bad.
proud field
That's where mine sucks.
lament skiff
Where did you get the purplesss
terse viper
What purples
lament skiff
Oh, did you transmute the legendary boxes?
terse viper
You mean portrait?
lament skiff
The sunflower
terse viper
Yep all rng
proud field
Damn.
terse viper
500g per try
proud field
lament skiff
That means someone's transmuting purples to yellow
There are a couple people on EU that are rolling
But there's less than a dozen legendary sunflowers on EU
terse viper
Or dungeon drop
lament skiff
Idk if we can pump out purple skills fast enough to keep transmuting lol
terse viper
Pirate drop 1~2per week per server
lament skiff
I've seen only 2 on EU since they came out 👀
terse viper
Ya
proud field
But dg drop shows up in the boasts
Which I've had disabled from the beginning of the game.
lament skiff
Once a week is a good level for population
terse viper
Ya
proud field
Pirate drop 1~2per week per server
Based on how many runs?
terse viper
Yep market is linked
Other server have bunch of whales too
Cus taiwan server also have china player
lament skiff
Are there yellow books that sit on F5? KR does
terse viper
So prob more ppl than us or eu playing
Currently there are 2, a fm book and a destroyer at 250k price
lament skiff
Damn
proud field
They're just boasting. No one is buying that, right?
terse viper
Useless book sell easily at 180k
Sunflower 230k will be gone in seconds
Average book price is 200k
proud field
Damn.
lament skiff
No wonder TW has a streaming setup already
lament skiff
Was that from the Q/A at the end?
lament skiff
There are no bound yellows in all of EU/NA
terse viper
Total I think 5 book
Because we qq too much
Kr server have much better events
Taiwan player spend a lot but dont get anything
lament skiff
I think the ncsoft defenders have been chased out
WTB KR DLC
I assume even the TW community is asking for the KR 10g boxes
proud field
So we have to cry more and get yellow books too!
lament skiff
Maybe
But from a business standpoint it's a massive mistake
Although idk how much 100 gems is in your currency
terse viper
Thats taiwan NC hahahhaha
proud field
Mistake is not giving us the tools to play the game. Cause players left since they couldn't handle it.
terse viper
NCTW is just the TW subsidiary
Yep so they dont care haha
lament skiff
About 2k for a yellow book
terse viper
Ya around there
lament skiff
Maybe the rumours are true and they're just funneling the revenue elsewhere
proud field
Unless that book comes with a month of BJ's, yeah no.
lament skiff
I don't know if there are any TW or Chinese laws on loot boxes
The work is already done from a dev standpoint
Very strange
JP's forbidden treasure box was different from TW/NA/EU, but that was a store item configuration
terse viper
Forbidden box is funny cus you gota pick up one by one event if you buy 50 in one go
lament skiff
Lazy store design
terse viper
I remember spending half hour just picking up boxes in mail
lament skiff
They could've sold a bundle of 5 and 10
Although I've never seen a store purchase arrive stacked so maybe it can't do that
lament skiff
I tried to get legendary portraits from that and failed hard
stable plover
WTS NA
terse viper
haha cus i move back to taiwan, otherwise i woulda play US
i think Midday and them still play
steel python
Don't think our NA players as whale as the TW whales
I think at some point its impractical
slow jasper
Don't think our NA players as whale as the TW whales
idk about NA, but in TW. There are so many whales 😭
wish can be one
steel python
I think my clan has the most legendary books and i can say for sure we're nowhere close to that 
slow jasper
haha cus i move back to taiwan, otherwise i woulda play US
almost become a US whale
😭
gentle magnet
WTS ( NA ) PST for PRICE ❤️
sour fulcrum
Like this thing suppose to open 20points before 9/3 but they didnt
did your publisher specifically stated that it was going to be happen before Silverfrost? Did they gave a preview for 20 points QoL last month?
West, JP and TW are in the same patch cycle and no West nor JP stated we would be getting 20 orbs or discounts pre Silverfrost, despite it being a QoL patch pre-Silverfrost in KR. We're also missing Fieldboss update and whatnot
so we just assumed we would get it alongside Mookwan, but it was never stated that we would
slow jasper
did your publisher specifically stated that it was going to be happen before Sil...
they havent mentioned anything about 20 points QoL yet sadly
white spade
they havent mentioned anything about 20 points QoL yet sadly
Secret content tho, many people guess they will release in the next patch haha
slow jasper
😭
reef steppe
WTS NA
chrome epoch
West, JP and TW are in the same patch cycle and no West nor JP stated we would b...
ye just let the ppl wait more and more and let more ppl quit 0head
my bet is still live, we will get purple/legy bound book salvage before we even get a legy bound skill 🙂
lament skiff
That's guaranteed though
crisp stag
WTS x2 Purple SF 18k EU
maiden flint
ye just let the ppl wait more and more and let more ppl quit 0head
I mean it's all KR, NC staff doesn't even know if our next patch has the qol
They don't even know what qol is supposed to come
unborn terrace
Mono?
gentle magnet
WTS ( NA ) PST for PRICE ❤️
Up
slow jasper
🤔 I think I saw you at the very top
terse viper
yaa
hard hamlet
meow :3
slow jasper
meow
gentle magnet
ALREADY ( NA )
jovial haven
wtb on eu
sunflower - 150
rosethorn - 70
proud field
Who's 10-13 on WB EU?
outer hamlet
🤔 I think I saw you at the very top
you have 91 people playing the game ?!
slow jasper
you have 91 people playing the game ?!
🤔 my damge is at the 91th
I mean the dps ranking was just only count a single summoner class
and only right at that channel
when the world boss spawn, should be around 10 - 20 channels available at that moment
maiden flint
its all channels
pretty sure in EU if i just hit the boss once, u end up about rank 30-40
or well, that was pre merge, now maybe 50-60?
slow jasper
its all channels
oh, alright
snow valley
Who's 10-13 on WB EU?
I'm usually 13-15 if I decide to bother with WB.
proud field
I'm usually 13-15 if I decide to bother with WB.
Were you 13 today?
snow valley
I have night shift this week, so I can't go to WB.
proud field
I managed a few times to get 10th. Then for like 2 days now I am 14th.
snow valley
Lol, today we somehow glitched Chef - party kd her at the start of fight and then BD grabbed her at the same time as my cat jumped on her. So she was hanging in the air, but I still was able to use Scratch and Headbutt. Kinda messed with her - during mech, she was visible as soon as we killed Destro.
proud field
Haxors.
crisp stag
WTB purple Hornet x5 EU
novel forum
i get 10th rank on world boss but cant get prime tressure. do you know why ?
yesterday also same issue happened
proud field
You did not see any box? That's strange, never happened to whatever rank I had at any world boss.
lament skiff
Maybe you dropped to 11th after the end
proud field
He said no box at all.
proud field
Oh, then yea, what Emraell said. You probably dropped last hit before the boss died.
I can see it also sometimes, I'm 11, then bam I'm 10, and get the 10th box.
Or vicerversa, I'm 16, then 15, and get those 3 lower ones.
A hit did not crit, the player before you had a lucky hit, bam you lose a spot.
lament skiff
The ranking on screen is delayed, much like the wb's hp
novel forum
so calculating system is wrong. isnt it ?
lament skiff
Just late to show you the changes
proud field
More or less yes, the dps rank we see is delayed.
lament skiff
Could it be wrong? Maybe
novel forum
thank you for answers
lament skiff
Not sure how you'd challenge it though
proud field
You can't, cause it's a damage thing. Not like you slack in clicking your skills knowing you'll get the rank you want.
outer hamlet
for silverfrost KR got big chest expanded to 6-20 and 1-5 gets 2 i dont know when they got it or if we will get it with our server beeing so empty but i doubt they would make a different version for us though
spiral dagger
% are different for everyone at the end, cuz of ping etc.
steel python
for silverfrost KR got big chest expanded to 6-20 and 1-5 gets 2 i dont know whe...
So everyone gets big chest
maiden flint
u'd think
but just how many are chilling cuz rewards suck
if chest shows up, we're gonna get up to rank 70 summoners :o (cope)
novel forum
anyone have issue on exitlag ?
proud field
anyone have issue on exitlag ?
No.
uncut fable
mmmh aha.
outer hamlet
it was even funnier when it was
9000- 9h
9600- 8h
9999- 7h
11000- 6h
20000- 11h
grizzled island
hello anyone play taiwan server?
grizzled island
and one more whale in here
Bro do you have english patch?
solemn oar
for the 
summoners out there, what are we thinking with the 30 gm node? Worth speccing hive swarm over blue petals or potentially dng as well?
barren drum
for the <a:beeBlob:942715724194009159> summoners out there, what are we thinking...
@steel python is my master
but remove all stacks of hornets. stack defense reduction for 50% def reduction bonus? , stack besties, remove petals and go hive swarm so you can support more if your are at melee range. Go full support build cat pin enjoyer
solemn oar
yeah its for sure worth to get the 50% shred, its gonna be insane
im really just interested in if anyones run some rough numbers or any thoughts on speccing some more honey for once we get the changes.
barren drum
Dodo bought all those purple defense reductions… he knows the drill. Smart move? Millionaire mindset. 💳
solemn oar
Unlucky dude
autumn flax
wts NA
paper trench
WTB 3x purple def down
lament skiff
Sunflower focus patch \o/
outer hamlet
huh ? we have gm on sunflower ?
lament skiff
From purple, maybe?
spiral dagger
huh ? we have gm on sunflower ?
yes
but i dont get this
80 damage on hit
rly?
steel python
We can finally try queen bee