Summoner

[rigid delta]

yeah taking away cat E iframe

and reset on Q from e was so mean

because when your cat will eventually bug and walk up out of Q

the reset let you fix that

its like they thought summoner was gonna be some tier 0 god class on neo

[true stirrup]

that bug only happens to me on Tree boss

[solemn oar]

No iframe on e is nuts. I still e to iframe by habit sometimes

[true stirrup]

1 iframe class

[rigid delta]

same. It makes me wonder why we even have a kd version of E

[solemn oar]

I want the knockback version instead

[rigid delta]

that one was sooooo good

canceled approach skills as well

and then they took away from us on live

[solemn oar]

Yeah. Smn actually had so many cool tools in live

[rigid delta]

the old kd E could be bugged out by every class lmao

and they left us with that one

[solemn oar]

Weve been gutted

[rigid delta]

I think summoner was the weakest class on live talking pvp

but we were fun to play

[solemn oar]

Make smn great again

[rigid delta]

actually pve we were terrible as well lol

I rerolled archer and did like 2x my summoners damage in less gear

[solemn oar]

Pve we were top dps or close to it for a period of time

[rigid delta]

so I question how we got nerfed so hard on neo

I started pve like uhhh

[solemn oar]

Vt badge went crazy

[rigid delta]

rose wep or w/e

thornbreaker

so im not sure how good we were prior to that

but it felt so weak

I just did pve so I could get 6v6 accesories from dungeons lol

[solemn oar]

I just really like the f2222f2222f rotation. Neo sunflower build aint it

[rigid delta]

is it even a rotation

I lose brain cells doing it

[true stirrup]

I remember 2nd highest in my BT runs was summoner

but my FM with awakened char did way more

than summoner

[rigid delta]

If anything the only time I pay attention is when im mashing tab

when my cat refuses to pin

and then people ask why I didnt pin

Neo had some cool ideas for some skills though

But the trade off is like so bad for them

[true stirrup]

@rigid delta https://clips.twitch.tv/ExquisiteEmpathicGorillaBudStar

Wtf is he using hornets

[rigid delta]

like removing iframe for day break

daze counter is cool

and c Daze

If neo cat wasn't so brain damaged I would enjoy playing

Its the only thing that has me on the fence about playing the game still

[solemn oar]

Dont worry they'll fix cat ai soon

[rigid delta]

hornets was the better spec by far on live

You never ran flower

[true stirrup]

wtf?

what kind of universe is this

[rigid delta]

the better one

[solemn oar]

Certainly not the one i lived when i was playing

[rigid delta]

look how fast the bees are

makes me cry

[solemn oar]

Bees were pvp only in my time

[rigid delta]

depends on match up

mirror/fm/sin you wanted flower

you know what I miss

dot bees against destro

[solemn oar]

Yeah earth was still viable, but wind was just ass for pve

[rigid delta]

just running around watching them bleed down

[true stirrup]

@rigid delta How do you pvp on summoner

doesnt it kinda suck

[rigid delta]

yeah but

people on neo suck ten times more

so I win

[solemn oar]

Average neo player is not very good. Minimal pvp knowledge can carry you ez

[rigid delta]

The only people I lose to is like retired and aquiel

since summoner can't touch spinners on neo

[rigid delta]

ye

[true stirrup]

When I still did 6v6 on my FM for exp I remember getting you 👀

[rigid delta]

its mostly pvp knowledge

All I did was arena back on live

and 6v6

[rigid delta]

Was your name the same?

[true stirrup]

it was Lethe

[rigid delta]

I was like

super toxic on live LOL

[true stirrup]

I used to do 6v6 for the EXP daily lol

[true stirrup]

Oh on Live

I was Lissyl

[rigid delta]

ah

only fm I can remember from 6v6 if forsynthia

I had like so many games done on 6v6 though

[true stirrup]

But I neo 6v6 I remember playing you before

[rigid delta]

I had 1000 wins on each mode

[true stirrup]

Summoner is really easy for me to kill

and on my summoner

i cant kill FM LOL

if they know how to freeze lock you

[rigid delta]

Fm kinda free

I dont lose to any

Best fm we had was uhhh

that vtuber dude

mei lang

[rigid delta]

free pretty cancer for summoner

you just need to play with cat and daze counter

[true stirrup]

ya they break counter and freeze me

thats how the end starts lol

[rigid delta]

The secret trick no fm ever does though

[true stirrup]

thats what i do to summoner on my FM

[rigid delta]

is just kill the cat lol

[true stirrup]

i break counter with X tornado

[rigid delta]

we can't keep it in Q long enough

I have never seen an fm tornado me tbh

I dont hold it up randomly

[true stirrup]

the tornado is OP

[rigid delta]

I just wait for them to spam me

[true stirrup]

But even if you get the counter

cold snap insta hits summoner out of stealth

lol

[rigid delta]

For the most part I just keep them cc'd

and just hold tab for force grab

focus pin kinda made the match up a lot better as well

now they can't sit in veil and you force tab

[true stirrup]

if i need focus i just hit the cat

free focus

[rigid delta]

I wanna pilot a summoner that has legendary flower in beluga

I wanna see how much damage I would do

[true stirrup]

im pretty sure the cat has like

no crit defense stats

[rigid delta]

nope

but they gave thrall live def

[true stirrup]

cuz i can blast a cat that is in cat Q

and get a lot of crits

[rigid delta]

yeah you can kill cat in Q

[true stirrup]

not even that

like

765 drain set when im dpsing is 4k per second around

heal fast lol

[rigid delta]

thats what I run

drain set pretty bad on summoner in pvp

[true stirrup]

Kinda sad, i can see the DPS from ingame meter gained from drain

on my hornet summoner its around 1.9-2k

on my FM its 4.2-4.5k

because it hits way faster

[rigid delta]

like its really sad

you give up every damage skill

just to be able to pvp

and do bad damage

they have something against giving us focus back

so you just stand there most of the time with no chi

[true stirrup]

wtf crisis defense 10

you sweaty

[rigid delta]

you know whats funny

[true stirrup]

Whale

[rigid delta]

I gave up the 42 ap for that LOL

or w/e that set is

[rigid delta]

it took all of my gold

I fused like 500 green cards for it

[true stirrup]

wtf how did u get 500 green cards?

[rigid delta]

I fund my pvp more than my pve

Since i only play for the pvp

[rigid delta]

I just stack boxes

Since I dont really upgrade anything

Besides pvp gear

This was before msp as well. I was spamming cs for xp instead of tree

[true stirrup]

oh i open every card box

and fuse whenever i have 5 greens

i never have extra greens

[rigid delta]

I dont even open the gold chests from weekly

Im kinda on the verge of quitting though. Thats probably why I stopped caring

no ranking reset on beluga has me bored

im hoping shadowmore/server merge has me playing more

[vestal sage]

WTS NA Summ
WTB NA Purple Sunflower

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[chrome epoch]

playing this pvp means u got mental issues

its the worst pvp i ever seen

[rigid delta]

I already have a mental issue for playing neo summoner

[chrome epoch]

xD

[solemn oar]

i think playing this game in general means we all got mental issues

[hallow hemlock]

hello guys wanted to ask can summoner do the mech in tree ? imean last phas for boss 1 the 6 waves dmg ?

[solid kestrel]

i'm a totally healthy gambling addict, what are you talking about

[solid kestrel]

what exactly do you mean? owo the last waves mech on first boss is enrage

[hallow hemlock]

when the boss is 20 % hp he do waves for far person 6 times ( first 3 hits then like 8 sec and then other 3 hits )

[solid kestrel]

ohhh the cones yeah anyone can bait it, it targets the furthest player

you can even place your cat far away and run back

but imo it's best to just move left/ right, doesn't cost anything

[maiden flint]

Oh cat works never tried that, I know it does on bsh1 trasher

Juggle to the sides depends if rest of the party is hugging boss

I try to take distance to make sure I'm bait and daybreak/SS

Or jump against the wall so u don't get knocked back

[solid kestrel]

i've had to ress people with cat and the cone would always aim there

[solemn oar]

What i always do is have everyone else just stand very close, and i'll also stand close- but just a smidge further away. When you're close enough you can easily side step them without having to worry about managing your iframes.

[lament skiff]

Soul Thresher? I think if you Q the cat at distance you can bait it

[steel python]

Or

Stand with your back to a wall and face tank it with besties

[solid kestrel]

my favorite strat is circling the boss

your party will never know when the cone is aiming at them

[solemn oar]

Cat seems to count as a body for all mechanics that targets furthest. The freezing attack that winter mane uses can also go to cat.

Doesnt really matter too much right now but if they keep letting cat count, it could be relevant in later content to keep an eye on

[maiden flint]

i think for kaari lord it didnt bait the ranged attacks

[solemn oar]

yea, i havent tested everything

i figure theres probably few exceptions. its just some neat tech ive seen accidentally. its more trouble than its worth trying to set it up in all current content tho

[prime salmon]

is the cheer up ability still broken? i used it and dont see the stats going to the cat

[hallow hemlock]

what about the boss 2

the flowers

some times im too far how to catch and back to team ( talking about the tree boss btw )

[spiral dagger]

read decription again

[spiral dagger]

grab the boss and u have like 10 sec to get this

[maiden flint]

u're not making it back to safe spot if that's what u mean, need party hmb or stealth to survive the pizza

i guess daybreak/solidarity could work too, but i think u'll be stuck in the flower cant SS out of it

[spiral dagger]

that's why he should enter the flower at the end of pizza or ss into it at the end

[maiden flint]

tried before and failed , but was fresh and didnt know i had to wait until pizza, usually have a hmb or a FM doing the job

[prime salmon]

triggers communion for 30 sec, and when i hover over the icon it says the cat does dmg based on my stats. but when i click on the button and look at cat stats, i dont see any changes?

[true stirrup]

Just 4 4 the flower

[maiden flint]

yeah but most groups want stealth for the jump

[spiral dagger]

use skill and read description on cd bar

they changed it

or translate it better i dunno

[lament skiff]

So the cat stats don't change, dmg calc just uses summoner's stats?

[spiral dagger]

yes

[tawdry orbit]

y but its doesnt work still...

[solemn oar]

is the actual damage from cat changing from when its active or not?

[tawdry orbit]

doesn't change at all, even though it should

They haven't fixed it yet, so nothing happens except the visual effect.

[solemn oar]

i heard that it got fixed, but no one actually plays the spec so maybe we just got bamboozled

[solemn oar]

try actually attacking a dummy or something

compare the damage of cat attacks without communion vs with it on

[tawdry orbit]

it's supposed to change the attack, and the damage doesn't change.

[solemn oar]

cause it shouldnt adjust the cats stats, it just uses players stats in the calculations instead

its a just a technicality of how they coded it. What matters is if the physical damage numbers your cat is dealing is being changed

[prime salmon]

thank you for clarifying ada, i think they needa explain it better in the description bc it can be misleading

[tawdry orbit]

Anyway, cat don't hit so often that it makes any sense.

[solemn oar]

Well its more intended to be used if you have speed hammer or clawnado specced

[prime salmon]

dont go rumblebees bro

take it from me

perm suffering

[solemn oar]

suffering builds character

[warped bolt]

Good afternoon. any build for follow?

[true stirrup]

Are you rumblebees??

[solid kestrel]

miyu is playing all builds

[prime salmon]

yes i am

[true stirrup]

can you show me a tree parse?

[solid kestrel]

it's only a lvl 49 alt

mujin twins was like 5k dps

we ran that today

[prime salmon]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

why u gotta air it out nia

[solid kestrel]

you said it yourself bees is bad uwu

[prime salmon]

the lack of damage could also be due to my gear not being upgraded, terrible insignias (since its a new char) etc

but also that bees does negative damage

my sunflower alt (newer than bees alt) does 2x its damage with relatively similar gear

[solemn oar]

do you have all the core purple books for it?

[prime salmon]

ill dm u my IGN so u can look me up 😭 dont laugh

[steel python]

I got my daybreak for 5k two weeks ago

Use that for price negotiation

[prime salmon]

-_- how is everything finding these amazing deals

but ye whoevers buying follow wat dodo said

bruh i just fought junghado on my bees alt, and the cat was bugged so it couldnt dps or KD etc. it was so aids i wouldnt wish that upon my worst enemy. it was so slow and painful 😭

[solid kestrel]

it's not too late to swap to blue hornet

[prime salmon]

too many hornets.. and im already to deep in @_@

[true stirrup]

So... you're using strike speed or clawnado for DPS with rumblebees right?

[prime salmon]

yes i am

[true stirrup]

So the cat's stats dont scale off your gear stats even with cheer up i believe

purple cheer up makes it use your AP i think

but i dont think it copies your crit/crit damage

at least last I checked, it did not

[prime salmon]

tbh idk wat cheer bases off the dmg increase by lol they dont show or explain it on the game

[true stirrup]

I think even with cheer up buff, cat just has terrible crit stats

so itll never do good damage

[prime salmon]

got a bound cheer up for lvl 50 but i already have one

[true stirrup]

Sell the non-bound one for gems

[prime salmon]

whos buying cheer up nowadays 😵‍💫

[true stirrup]

It'll get bought at the fodder price for purples, by people salvaging them

1400 on NA should sell

[steel python]

aka Lethe

[prime salmon]

LOOOL

true

[ashen monolith]

surely siulix will buy it right?

[prime salmon]

anyone see this error before? im trying to pickup faction quests but cantr

[true stirrup]

youre at max quests, abandon some quests

you cannnot have more than 36 quests active at once.

Hit J

check top right

abandon some quests that youarent currently doing.

[prime salmon]

i only had 7/36 quests tho.. 😭

i will take a ss after im done with my other alts trains

[true stirrup]

ok weird

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[solid kestrel]

nya :3

[prime salmon]

@true stirrup ok u were right lol when i open my quest log or w.e i only see 7 quests and i dont see the rest of the daily quests o.o

[mighty radish]

anyone know of a cat skill that must be disabled to fix cat lag/getting stuck?

[solid kestrel]

doesn't seem to be skill related, cat just likes to get stuck every now and then

[prime salmon]

bruh

[solid kestrel]

you're grinding too hard

[prime salmon]

[solid kestrel]

i ended up skipping blue train yesterday and now i'm in skyhaven owo but if i do one today i'll let you know

hope you'll have quests free for that

[prime salmon]

-w- ima be out all day today.. bns break..

[prime salmon]

always teasing me

[solid kestrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630553822036623370/1186520260975808563/br.gif?ex=659cc69a&is=658a519a&hm=f2cbfaa48376eae9ce15f4ced988a232c30aff2eb63f066396166998a89e4aab&

real life activities

dont explode

[mighty radish]

dont go out, its bad out there

if you have too, take a cat with

[prime salmon]

-w- gotta get a mental reset every now and then, esp since its the summer

[mighty radish]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-out-the-window-searching-looking-for-jerry-stiller-arthur-spooner-gif-15115994

mental reset

[mighty radish]

any purple daybreak for sale?

[prime salmon]

Saw one for sale for 4.4k on NA 😭 unfort ur EU..

[mighty radish]

nothin in EU

ah rip if its 4k

[worldly palm]

I have seen it 3 days ago, it was listed for 3.5k

[rigid delta]

Nothing fixes it

The cat lag is intentional by neo because they hate us

The most you can do if you want your cat to stay by you as much as possible is disabling paw

So you dont run into the issue of it getting stuck in the air with E

I only do this for monarch/world bosses though

Since I dont wanna be anywhere near their melee aoes

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[true stirrup]

Need paw for dps

[maiden flint]

I disabled a few skills and I see cat just standing there looking at boss lol

I think it's often when someone else does grab and maybe it desyncs until it starts attacking again

[rigid delta]

cat will stand there if you disable paw

when something gets cc'd the cat will walk towards the target for pin

[warped bolt]

please, can show me a rumblebees build?

[rigid delta]

def hammer>blue petal toss > seed shroud >crouching tiger > venomous rosethorn

the rest you fill out with bees

and a besties/daybreak/purple paw if you want

[warped bolt]

and to unlock a patch, need a book right?

[rigid delta]

a wat

but yeah all of those are books

[warped bolt]

aaaah understood. and i need buy to nameless agent.

[hybrid tide]

WTS EU pmo

[true stirrup]

Purple Paw?

Hold up what

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26233664

[rigid delta]

I mean any of the cat pins

I think they all have paw in the name

[true stirrup]

Only one of the three has paw in the name

😬

[rigid delta]

[warped bolt]

any daze, knock or stun combo?

[rigid delta]

No

[rigid delta]

You can probably run double kd but its not worth it

[warped bolt]

double daze or double stun is possible?

im asking for solo bosses

[proud field]

You'd rather have a good soul core that will 2x or 3x cc the target.

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[warped bolt]

do you have a example , for i can understand?

[proud field]

Yea, check these screens.

Left has 3x daze and Right has 2x kd.

If you have a chance to get a soul core that can 3x cc your target, you do not have to waste skill books on cc.

(theoretically)

[lament skiff]

A 1 min cd feels unreliable to me

But technically all the big stuff you do in party

[proud field]

I mean, if you plan on soloing things, you won't need that much time.

[warped bolt]

understood. thanks so much bro

and macro is permissive or banished? my ms is 220 xD

[proud field]

Pleasure is mine. In the end it will depends what you want to solo and how long it will take you. Based on the boss, you might want to have extra cc, but a soul core like that will give you an edge.

[proud field]

You can macro all you want. It's basically a push of a button. It does not mess with the game in any way.

The only thing that "might" get you in trouble is if you change in-game files.

[warped bolt]

understood

before i had a level 60 in yura bns classic. now the game has changed so MUCH

[proud field]

Question: If I have 6 blue sunflowers which are 2 gms and 2 purple sunflowers which are 6 gms a piece, why does my F3 show 18 in total. How is the math being calculated?

Or do the devs fail at math?

[solid kestrel]

first book doesn't count

[proud field]

Which one would be first?

The first one equipped?

[solid kestrel]

any of highest rarity

so one of your purples in this case

[proud field]

So it doesn't matter if for example I would equip a blue first, to have it canceled?

[solid kestrel]

it's always the highest rarity, that's the skill you're using

soon tm in a future patch even that book will give gm but currently it's not

[proud field]

That kinda makes sense.

The gm pts are just visual right?

[spiral dagger]

Wut

[spiral dagger]

But only from legendary book, purple doesn’t count or am I wrong?

When I was checking on yast KR, only leg gives 12 GM - purple 0

[solemn oar]

Yeah its gonna be leg only that gives GM on 1st book

[solid kestrel]

ah, even only for legendary books rip

[solemn oar]

ya i thought it was for all books originally too 😠

[steel python]

Great so the things nobody has in NA

[spiral dagger]

U will be the first Dodo - I believe

[solid kestrel]

10 leg hornet dodo, we believe in you

[steel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282982912469630977/1397988031830691940/4x.avif

1 try

That's all I got

[worldly palm]

(EU) is there anyone here does Strike build? I can seal it (send seals) and send it to you for free

[true stirrup]

There should be nobody doing that build, and if they are they should stop using it, it's really bad.

[ashen monolith]

For now yeah

It would prolly become an option after hornest when the GM effects update

Planning on making a strike alt account

[true stirrup]

Biggest problem even when the skills get buffed is being dependent on the cat and it's sketchy AI for damage

[ashen monolith]

I just like the idea of a new build but prolly will get fackked with ncsoft sketchy coding

[worldly palm]

if they are going to improve cats AI, I think cats will do more damage than us xD, specially if its affected by ping

[true stirrup]

if youve done Lab on summoner, the cat is knocked up or CC'd like half the fight lol

[ashen monolith]

^

[true stirrup]

it cant avoid the tornadoes when you can only E every 8 seconds

[ashen monolith]

Unless communion gives cat invincibility then idk

[proud field]

Add the other 4 sec E.

[true stirrup]

wouldnt really help because

[ashen monolith]

Oh yeah tornado will knock the cat up even if they're in crouch

[true stirrup]

cat needs to be in melee range too, to CC

i need to knockdown the boss lol

[proud field]

Will cat not stay in q ?

[ashen monolith]

Not at all

[rigid delta]

I like watching cat get electrocuted in lab

[worldly palm]

wouldn't they give us fuse skill? like the summoner and the cat fuse? I mean lyns are half animals

[ashen monolith]

... we're not following fullmetal alchemist...

[true stirrup]

I was tanking Fujin on lab boss last night until i got switched to Raijin and then i tanked raijin LOL

[proud field]

That's not a thing with summoners. Warlocks is.

[rigid delta]

Tanking either is so cancer on summoner

[true stirrup]

Tanking on summoner sketchy af

[rigid delta]

1 block

[ashen monolith]

I can tank fujin

[worldly palm]

https://tenor.com/view/fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood-fma-nina-dog-gif-13725618

[ashen monolith]

Just gotta move alot

[true stirrup]

i could tank, problem was i couldnt re-summon my cat after it died

and then i cant KD

and we die

[ashen monolith]

Yeah that's the main issue

[proud field]

We need the instant summon skill.

[ashen monolith]

Sometime cat also bugg with Q too.

[rigid delta]

Where besties

[ashen monolith]

Had to disable Paw

[true stirrup]

i cant besties my cat cuz i have to save it for if we fail the CC mechanic

[rigid delta]

Gotta disable the cat to get it to work lol

[ashen monolith]

Lol

[rigid delta]

Oh yeah thats a thing

I like when fm tanks fujin and cat ai so brain damaged you miss kd windows because the cat decided it really wanted to lunge at them 1 feet away

[ashen monolith]

Is it just me but my cat got kill instantly when boss fail mech. Like it got hit twice with explosion

[true stirrup]

I think my cat survived that

[rigid delta]

Can they stop making puddle mechs

Its like they don't want you on summoner

Or at least buff cat like live

[proud field]

Cat survives in puddles while q.

[rigid delta]

So it doesnt die to them

Yeah but you want cat to cc sometimes

And puddles just there

[ashen monolith]

Team get hit less will stop the puddle thing

On our best run we only see 3-4 puddles in 4 mins

[proud field]

The way I see it if you're forced more or less to cc as a summoner, knowing the cat may be stupid, then there is a skill issue with the party.

[rigid delta]

Has any server seen a legendary drop from there yet

That dungeon isnt even worth the daily to run

[true stirrup]

I saw legendary belt and weapon but not for me

[rigid delta]

Legendary book*

[ashen monolith]

Lol jo

No

We stopped running it cuz the group.loot is so ass

[rigid delta]

Facts

I stopped after cd entry

[ashen monolith]

Even personal loot. Imagine wasting 40mins to get bbr loot

[true stirrup]

shouldnt be like 40min

no wipes clear is 16-20min if you dont wait before every boss

[proud field]

Belts are very rare on EU.

[rigid delta]

Depends on your group

Bamboo cant be picky

[ashen monolith]

Our side is like 25mins if no wipe

Other than that avg would be 30-40mins

Sometime if we bring new legs in it can take up to 1 hour

[proud field]

You're talking about Lab?

[true stirrup]

ya

[ashen monolith]

Ye

[proud field]

Gezus, 20 min.

[true stirrup]

thats with like

some hella geared people tho

[rigid delta]

Then again I'm over there wasting like 2 hours in a demon war for no loot

[true stirrup]

i dont understand i did blazing demon but got no chest from boss

i had highest damage on boss because i kept pulling aggro

[rigid delta]

You gotta do 10%

Demon has different tiers of chest for damage %

[true stirrup]

so if im pulling aggro and i got 73 prestige, then nobody got a chest???

[proud field]

Question: Do we get anything extra on Monarch if we do over 4.5 mil dmg?

[rigid delta]

Nope

You just missed chest lol

[ashen monolith]

10-20-40-80

[rigid delta]

You need 80

Prest

[true stirrup]

but i dont wanna be tanking it either lol

cuz then ill get blasted by AOE

[rigid delta]

The biggest issue

[ashen monolith]

Tanking blazing is easy lol

[rigid delta]

People are gonna kill you

Not on hr

[true stirrup]

If it was just the guy, yeah, but people are killing me lol

[rigid delta]

We got a war going on

[ashen monolith]

Lol

I can feel that

[rigid delta]

I think if youre neutral no one will attack you though

But the second you do. No ones gonna forget lmao

And kill you on site

[true stirrup]

first time when i went in i got attacked before i could even hit the boss

then i switched to my summoner and people didnt attack me

??

[rigid delta]

Oh

[ashen monolith]

Lol sounds like a pain whenever you going to bastion

[rigid delta]

You have ice rain?

[steel python]

People hate ice rain

[rigid delta]

You're getting murdered if you roll up with ice rain lmao

[steel python]

Yeah Lethe is ice rain

[ashen monolith]

Especially the bms

They really hate it

[true stirrup]

is ice really any worse than char or sunflower lol

[rigid delta]

Yes

Especially if you have legendary

[steel python]

The others can actually avoid hitting the melees

[ashen monolith]

We can maneuver the direction of sunflower. Icerain is fixed to target but with 3m radius

This one is the 80 chest

[rigid delta]

For future reference

[ashen monolith]

[rigid delta]

You need 3.6 mil damage

To get chest

If you go about that people are gonna kill you

[ashen monolith]

Yup 10-20-40-80. Anywhere above or in between wont change the loot

[rigid delta]

Max people that can get a chest is 9

[ashen monolith]

Yup

[rigid delta]

If you keep attacking after 10% you're most likely gonna be killed

[true stirrup]

there was just way too many people there last night then

[steel python]

Some people just like pvping

[rigid delta]

Dont show up before or after wb

Its when the war happens lol

[ashen monolith]

How about early morning?

[rigid delta]

Every other window kinda neutral

The windows before and after wb will probably be a fight

I'm just there most of the time to fight

[ashen monolith]

Is there any places i can join to communicate/following cordination?

Like a discord server

[rigid delta]

Uhhhh

No one communicates per say

[ashen monolith]

Oh so its just ground rules

[rigid delta]

Its kinda like 2-3 clans that do it

And fight each other

I'm with one of the clans and they communicate it

[steel python]

And Lethe is in the other one

[ashen monolith]

[true stirrup]

i thought you had no clan

[rigid delta]

Yeah I'm not in the clan

[solid kestrel]

am big noob how do i see if i did 10%?

[rigid delta]

I am the support lmao

[steel python]

You gotta chat with Niu Ma if you wanna actually do it Lethe, probably have to take summ too

[rigid delta]

Well the problem is

If lethe goes with niu ma

[true stirrup]

I went in when they said last night too many ppl

[rigid delta]

He's gonna start getting targeted

[steel python]

[rigid delta]

He's better off being neutral

No one will hit him

[true stirrup]

how do you even know who is on which time

team

[steel python]

I don't think it's worth the effort personally

There are uniforms sometimes

[rigid delta]

We've been fighting so long we just know LMAO

[steel python]

I think when Cafe members attended, we wore baloon

[rigid delta]

If you come on summoner you'll be left alone

Unless you start attacking

[steel python]

But that was when homra was holding

[rigid delta]

But someone's gonna reset demon eventually

[solid kestrel]

server merge will mess up blazing, pretty sure owo

[ashen monolith]

Yeah we had that issue with bms and sum lma9

[solid kestrel]

just all out war :3

[ashen monolith]

How is it going on viridian?

[rigid delta]

Yeah server merge demon is so over

Best we can probably do

[solid kestrel]

we just kill blazing, whoever gets contribution in wins, try to avoid others, easy owo

[ashen monolith]

Oh so its not as bad

[rigid delta]

Is coordinate and try to make 3 channels

And each person gets one

But realistically it'll probably be 2

[ashen monolith]

Issue is do they listen or wants to coordinate it

[solid kestrel]

sometimes people get angry accidentally dying too often and fight each other

[ashen monolith]

Cuz i know warsong will cook my ass up lmao

[solid kestrel]

but nowadays 99% of blazing spawns are peaceful

[rigid delta]

Hard to say

All sides seem kinda too mad to do that

Idc and I'll do it

[ashen monolith]

So only heaven reach are having issue

[proud field]

Does the Demon have a specific spawn time?

[ashen monolith]

Uhhhh

[rigid delta]

Ye hr ego

[steel python]

[rigid delta]

Honestly what will most likely happen

[steel python]

HH server super chill too

[solid kestrel]

yeah and i know my clan at least will fight for blazing owo even if no one gets contribution, quite a few of us are pvpers (i'm not, me big noob but i'll join them still)

[rigid delta]

They ask ddos and journeys to pick a side LMAO

[ashen monolith]

Can i join your clan's server to hang out after the merge? I don't mind helping out on pvp

[solid kestrel]

what do you mean with clan's server? owo

[ashen monolith]

Crazy

[steel python]

[ashen monolith]

Oh just discord server

[steel python]

Join the Chinese side

[ashen monolith]

I plan to explore and hang out with yall

[rigid delta]

Crazy but its what actually happened already

They called the Chinese for help

Now the Chinese hate us

[true stirrup]

@rigid delta what clan are you with

[rigid delta]

Promise

[solid kestrel]

i could ask but i'm fairly new in here too, we just merged like a week ago, viridian is small though so we have known each other all along XD

[true stirrup]

whose in there

[ashen monolith]

Oh merge clan? Crazy

[rigid delta]

Aquiel and level

[ashen monolith]

Our elites players are also gone in bamboo. So we also merged to nuture player

[true stirrup]

oh thats why someone said kill Aquiel in the chat lool

[solid kestrel]

yea my previous clan had like 10 active and they had around 10, now we merged, recruited a few more people and are like 25 active players or so owo

[rigid delta]

Aquiels legendary execute just one shots every melee on demon lol

I cant fight near him or my cat explodes

[rigid delta]

Yeah you attack aquiel he's gonna one shot you

[ashen monolith]

Icerain take 4 secs to kill, but execute can smoked us up instantly lmao

[rigid delta]

Yeah and he has legendary execute

When purple was already doing that

[ashen monolith]

I'm always down to do connecting for myself and people on my clan

[ashen monolith]

With the stat buff too man.

[rigid delta]

Yeah they got even more damage

And are running around with like 8k def

[ashen monolith]

23% of your total def

2k additional + skill scaling + cdmg

[rigid delta]

We got hp scaling

Imagine getting free scaling because books give def

[true stirrup]

We get way more free HP

than people get defense

[rigid delta]

Are you in ddos

[steel python]

When will we get actual damage from scaling

[solid kestrel]

Eon

[rigid delta]

Never

[true stirrup]

wym

[rigid delta]

Ah.

[true stirrup]

we actually get a lot of damage from HP scaling

[steel python]

60k DPS purple book when

[rigid delta]

Purple briar patch will solve that

Can we get a purple 2 escape that let's us tab escape grab please

Doesn't even work on 90% of ccs in the game

Its so cancer

[true stirrup]

1: Skill damage
2: Accuracy %
3. HP%
4. Soul Badge

HP actually giving a pretty good chunk of extra free damage

[rigid delta]

I have like 1000 acc

Psyches are so aids to hit

[true stirrup]

I have acc on two of my gear pieces because I cannot hit the reroll for the life of me

Im seriously considering just making a new necklace

and giving my necklace to IGN Yukimoru

[rigid delta]

I spent 50 essence trying to hit

Did not happen

[true stirrup]

@rigid delta

tempted to gamble the one on the right

the cdmg is so high

[ashen monolith]

I kept my accuracy on my gears

[rigid delta]

Getting to legendary from pirate is a trap

[ashen monolith]

Like 4/6 of accessories have accuracy

[true stirrup]

I did a double line reroll on my staff

[proud field]

Whachu did to see is like that?

[true stirrup]

my staff was Accuracy piercing LOL

[ashen monolith]

Oh lmao

[rigid delta]

I tried this

[true stirrup]

wym i just moused over

[rigid delta]

Raised my stats by 5 LOL

I was so mad

[true stirrup]

another gear

[ashen monolith]

My accs rn is 1800 with 5k/4k crit

[rigid delta]

Actually you can see it on my gear

Check my bracelet

Im still mad about it

[ashen monolith]

Lol. Ngl i feel you

I got a 0 upgrade before

[true stirrup]

why is it so low?

[true stirrup]

Oh, just hit manage equipment

[ashen monolith]

Above abg i think

[rigid delta]

I lost the gamble

[true stirrup]

see where the stats are

[rigid delta]

That crazy

[true stirrup]

on the manage equipment page, itll show the max stat

[rigid delta]

I need a belt so bad

[ashen monolith]

My belt doesnt have mantra

[true stirrup]

its way better than my FM Belt LOL

[ashen monolith]

[true stirrup]

ironically

😭

[ashen monolith]

Rip

[rigid delta]

Im dumb and will only buy gear if it has 3 mantra now

[true stirrup]

thats the better move

you end up spending more on the 2 mantras to do mixed tier mantras

so you dont lose stat

[ashen monolith]

6/7 of my gear have mantra

So i don't sweat too much about it

[rigid delta]

Im debating on if I should save for more purple flowers

Or replace gear

[ashen monolith]

Last one was 45k

[rigid delta]

I say that like I can actually buy one

[true stirrup]

look at this scam lol

compare % values

h aha

[ashen monolith]

I'll buy the tome and try to go for 2 purple skill books

Wish me luck

[rigid delta]

Im glad neo made summoner so brain damaged because I would be swiping

[ashen monolith]

Crazy wtf

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

Mixed colour combos above blue tier are the same for 3 mantra vs 2 mantra, by the same i mean actually identical

Purple Blue Blue = Purple + blue

[steel python]

That's why I have 2 mantras

[true stirrup]

Gold Purple Purple = Gold Purple

also = Gold Purple Green

[ashen monolith]

What

[rigid delta]

Oh I just realized it was 2 vs 3

Holy scam

[ashen monolith]

[true stirrup]

Compare this to the two i posted above

[ashen monolith]

This is such a scam lmao

[true stirrup]

this is ONLY for mixed colour combos, 3 purple > 2 purple by quite a bit, same with 3 blue > 2 blue

Basically, if you have 2 mantra, you can "recover" the lost stat from 2 mantra, by using a mixed colour combo 1 tier up

[rigid delta]

I need to psyche gamble before I mantra gamble

At least mantras dont take powders

[true stirrup]

But... it's more expensive to do that in mantras

if you can get a 3 slot accessory for a little bit more, better to do that

since the mixed combo is only 20% more

but costs way more to slot

[true stirrup]

My summoner psyches hit so bad

and i have been struggling to improve them

@rigid delta look at this scam

like 30 attempts to try and re-hit

and i get THIS?

[ashen monolith]

Psyche is a scam

Also weapon stat reroll

[true stirrup]

It gives so much crit tho

look how much crit im missing lol

up to 119 still missing

thats like almost a whole accessory line worth of crit

[solid kestrel]

have you ever looked up what the rates are to get high rolls? owo it's near impossible

[true stirrup]

I dont wanna hear that from u

even your worst one

is better than two of mine LOL

[solid kestrel]

ah i'm talking about the near 270 owo

[true stirrup]

id be happy with like 200 something

😭

[solid kestrel]

200-240 shouldnt be tooooo hard to get but i still used about 100 psyches iirc, been so long it might have been more or less

[spiral dagger]

and for what

[spiral dagger]

with silverfrost will be new psyches

no point to waste divines for now

when in next 4-5 weeks, we'll get uncap lvl

[solid kestrel]

you can always wait for new stuff

we might aswell run around in true purples owo

[spiral dagger]

[true stirrup]

I mean but I want to farm shadowmoor on my alt too

[solid kestrel]

but we want the gear now, for current content

[true stirrup]

And my alt doesn't do quite enough damage for the Mookwan dps check

[spiral dagger]

okay

kinda weird to have 2 characters ready for mookwan

i feel confused now

[true stirrup]

I can do like 35-36k on tree, which is how much I need to be doing on Mookwan LMAO

there's no hornets book on market to buy at a reasonable price ever

[spiral dagger]

this is my main

u have better alt

nice

[spiral dagger]

dont look at it

ok

[spiral dagger]

stop

[spiral dagger]

[solid kestrel]

oh it doesnt get bigger :c

[spiral dagger]

it will be 48 with silverfrost

cuz +12 from leg book

[true stirrup]

size has max on discord display, but it decreases with width

thats why i made the image more and more square

max size is achieved when you post a square image

[solid kestrel]

ah the white bar, i failed

oh lethe, my actual accessory stats are all junk though besides gloves

all low rolls

[rigid delta]

@true stirrup my psyches hit diff

I gotta get rid of all the piercing on some

[true stirrup]

my hae psyches hit min

91 is actually the min...

[rigid delta]

at least it gave you the double line

ive only seen it once, on my wep

[true stirrup]

it gave, i just spammed psyches in until i hit it

LOL

[true stirrup]

like maybe 30-40 into each

[rigid delta]

I like how I dont have my wep rolled to any affinity for boss damage lmao

[ashen monolith]

I think my earrings has 270 crit

[worldly palm]

them legendaries

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494862

[ashen monolith]

Idk, I'm not online rn so can't check

[white spade]

I’m a new and want to build hornet nest. Do Anyone help that build? And which stats should i focus in?

[solemn oar]

Hi!

Core books:
Blue Hornet > upgrade to purple for damage
Blue Venomous Rosethorn > upgrade to purple for big qol (borderline a must have)
Blue Crouching Tiger: Defense increase
Blue Hive Swarm > swap to purple petal storm toss when you have get high crit rate
Blue Strike Defense Reduction
Blue Seed Shroud

[empty plinth]

I just came here to say how much I appreciate your cats

[fiery cape]

day before mookwan yeeee

[proud field]

You need Gezus.

[steel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471191191594205205/1395545807104774214/catfall.gif

I'm still 59

[fiery cape]

hahahaha

[chrome epoch]

seems like u got tons of time

[true stirrup]

About the stats they asked about, regardless of build you always get crit/crit damage stats as a priority.

All gear + SS : CR + CD rolls
All SS primer : CR
1-4 SS psych : CD+Any
5-8 SS psych: HP + any
poharan psych: CR+ Accuracy
hae psych: CR+CD
weapon psych: CR+CD
Cards: onrush, smite, drain + detect if needed.
Insignia: AP or AP mixed stat

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[maiden flint]

🫣

[solemn oar]

wat is this

[maiden flint]

KR patch today

[dusty yarrow]

waiiiiiitttttttt

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-3821315981259485457

depending, I won't need to change build

[lament skiff]

Doesn't sunflower already do that

[dusty yarrow]

can be lower ranks, like the blue one

[rare flicker]

buff for HN?

[vestal sage]

WTB Purple Sunflower NA

[dusty yarrow]

but I won't lie that I want to see the bees change

[rigid delta]

Hmmm

That "shock to target"

If thats a stun, thats insane

[dusty yarrow]

is the speed attack

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-funny-cat-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-bonk-cat-funny-hammer-gif-22703304

apparently with each hammer smash, the bees' CD will decrease

interesting

[steel python]

Queen Bee every 3rd cast hmmm

First 2 kinda meh

I would've preferred some synergy with 3

[rigid delta]

Idk what flower even does

Looks exactly the same

[solemn oar]

Maybe just a bit of extra focus regen

[outer hamlet]

i would have wrather gotten a buff on 2 and F

[empty plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-dance-black-yellow-bee-happy-wiggle-gif-16545652

[dusty yarrow]

• Sunflower:
  18gm: 80 additional damage on hit
  30gm: When a large sunflower critically hits, restore 5 focus over 5 seconds.
  48gm: Sunflower hits grant 1 stack of Photosynthesis

• Hornet
  18gm: 100 additional damage on hit
  30gm: Critical hit extends honey by 0.5 seconds
  48gm: Summon Queen Bee every 3rd attack

• Bees
  18gm: 315 additional damage on hit
  30gm: Casts 1 additional time on critical hit
  48gm: Shock to target: Cooldown reduced by 1 second on accelerated hit (Strike: Speed Increase)

[maiden flint]

OH it was gm stacking

well fk, at least its not strictly leg book

rip queen bees

[spiral dagger]

queen bee, imagine dmg.. if hornet will have similar dmg i would like to change

[hybrid tide]

when does this get added?

[spiral dagger]

1 month after silverfrost

so we'll get this in december

[dusty yarrow]

"solar ray"

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[spiral dagger]

cuz now, we should get only shadowmoor without any qol - like 20 score in cards, no field bosses

so idk what they are doing cuz we should get this all together before silverfrost

so next month is like doing tree for most of the players

cuz only few ppl can handle shadowmoor and in EU there is like 10 parties doing lab under 20m

[hybrid tide]

crazy

bp is a disappointment too

zz

[spiral dagger]

yeah, i saw jp/tw bp

looks bad, rly

[hybrid tide]

ROFL

what a joke

[barren drum]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-cat-owlcat-pan-camera-gif-9072263397626883009

[ashen monolith]

no purple

crazy

[broken umbra]

just garbage lol

omg

[wise pelican]

no purple skill on bp sad

[broken umbra]

meanwhile, kr bp

why do ncsoft hate us sm?

[spiral dagger]

Kr had 1726363 events for books
Also they have rng boxes with leg books so.. maybe in next 6 months we will get something too

Or game will just die

Hard to tell

[broken umbra]

i think they're speedrunning the death of the game already

[spiral dagger]

Idk how they want to give us silverfrost next month and idk why they didn’t gave us field bosses changes and more card scores

[hybrid tide]

will they not give more card scores this patch?

[spiral dagger]

Rowen said that somewhere in Neo chat

So I guess yes, they don’t give us that

[hybrid tide]

bruh

get me out

[spiral dagger]

Yeah, wr probably get everything with silverfrost

And that’s sick

[hybrid tide]

another dry ass month

[empty plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[wise pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-sleepy-kitten-tired-cat-good-night-gif-25943194

[dusty yarrow]

Sunburst

[wise pelican]

[lament skiff]

Is this a new book?

[ashen monolith]

huh

[steel python]

Not selling for now sorry guys

[lament skiff]

Is that the hajoon gamba or lucky 5% transmute

Also, congrats

[hybrid tide]

WTB Purple VR EU

[steel python]

the 5% transmute

they finally gave us the pages

[hybrid tide]

WTS EU PMO

[proud field]

How mucho?

[hybrid tide]

dm

[broken umbra]

WTS NA Summoner lvl 58 to buy new char in Genshin Impact

[rare flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/business-man-leon-short-gif-21636355

[steel python]

https://www.youtube.com/live/GwPIGZYDDbk?feature=shared&t=17567 for the mookwan ppl out there

[lament skiff]

So much easier than lab

So long lab, wont miss you

[dusty yarrow]

maybe a sinal

bees buffed today

u get the skill

[dusty yarrow]

@true stirrup

[lament skiff]

best AP

[proud field]

Never change that. If you change it your DPS will go down.

[steel python]

Quick writeup on TSM (the dungeon)

Mobs hurt a lot

Boss 1:

(90/60/30) Boss will jump to center and do AOE after 4s with ice shards falling. Then will charge tank. Then breath. HMB the jump to center since it stops the jump and the AOE

Pay attention to tank's positioning, boss will charge at them and it chunks you for 100k

After charge, he does breath at FARTHEST person (stealth this ideally)

After he does double tail swipe (cone), he will be cc'able next attack

There's an ancient dragon sort of 3 hit, he will do one half, the other half (face tank these) then do a 360 aoe that you need to block/iframe

Run:

You can taxi second part of mobs, only have to kill the group at the exit

Miniboss is boring, just learn his pattern i guess

Boss 2:

After he does tentacle slams originating from himself, he'll do a red circle aoe (CC THIS)

He does donut aoes starting from inside sometimes, melee need to iframe, ranged can stand at 8m

During ink phase, people take a lot of damage, use tree soul +besties to mitigate. Ranged is chill

During LAST ink phase, he will drop individual small circle aoes that daze, don't get cc locked

At the end of ink phase, he will do donut aoes (like tree), it take a while for the first (outer) ring to form, after it goes off you can stealth (having modified look distance is HUGE here)

Enrage time does not mean its the end, both bosses do red aoes before the real wipe

If anyone wants some notes on shattered mast

[true stirrup]

thats a different dungeon

[steel python]

close enough

goonkwan

[proud field]

And the dps needed is like 40k constant DPS?

[lament skiff]

33m over 5 mins?

[rigid delta]

Something like that

its a lot

sucks for summoner

Im just getting carried

First boss feels more annoying for summoner

since our ss doesn't cover the bosses red aoe cleave fully anymore

so you gotta move before he does it

[lament skiff]

Or get very good with daybreak timing

[rigid delta]

its either you day break

paired with ss

or you move to the spot hes gonna jump before

since you wanna save party stealth for his 360 sweep

daybreak wont cover the entire hit

[proud field]

So we can still kinda get groups if we have low dps?

[rigid delta]

since it hits like 3 times

[proud field]

Cause sum is needed?

[rigid delta]

nah summoners not needed

[proud field]

[rigid delta]

whats really needed is a bleeder

they regen so much

[proud field]

So we get women?

[rigid delta]

Summoner makes the fights easier because of pin though

and party stealth for some moves

but I think fm is just way better

[proud field]

So the sum support is still ok to have.

[rigid delta]

ye

its always gonna be good

[proud field]

But the sum still needs DPS.

[rigid delta]

but dps isn't

Yeah as long as you have people who pump

you should be good

[proud field]

Is it more demanding than lab?

I haven't experienced lab yet.

[rigid delta]

I think we had 20secs on timer with that

actually can we even post this here

[proud field]

If you do 22k, I will probably do 10k.

[rigid delta]

Im running def hammer build in there as well

[proud field]

Well it's not "linked" to the game.

[proud field]

Same.

But I lose focus like there's no tomorrow.

[rigid delta]

I think once you run it enough and get used to the patterns

its easier than tree

[proud field]

I need daybreak, drain purple.

[rigid delta]

but the dps check isnt

[proud field]

Between the pins, is the focus damage BiS?

Or paw is?

[rigid delta]

paw

because it gives 5 stacks of poison for damage bonus

on top of def down