Summoner

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[solid kestrel]

nya :3

[paper trench]

EU WTS this piece of sh.t

[worldly palm]

EU WTB Crit + Socket 650-700 Gems

[proud field]

The dummies in mushin do not get cc'd.

[solemn oar]

i think he meant do a run of mushins and practice the timings in there

having max pin time is definitely a worthwhile thing to practice, eventually the timing just becomes muscle memory and you wont have to think about it

[paper trench]

EU WTB hornet +9,+10 mystic, soulbadge

[proud field]

That's what I usually have, but I wanted to min-max it.

I thought there were supposed to be dummies that can get cc'd.

[spiral dagger]

For what dude????

Are u doing second xp badges??

[paper trench]

only got +6

and hit the pitty and im mad cause too expensive

[spiral dagger]

I see

[spiral dagger]

I stuck with mine at +9

And I had +10 before but sold when changed build weeks ago XD

[paper trench]

😄

aleady did 12 trys for legi books

13 soon

[spiral dagger]

I did 20

0/20

[paper trench]

xd

[spiral dagger]

And im done with that 4now

Collecting gems for silverfrost now

Also gold for new gear

I’m waiting for merge to see more summoners on wb

But I’m thinking what they do with WB cuz from 2 auctions we will have only 1 now or double drop every wb?

[paper trench]

i hope 2x but its nc so....i think only 1 drop xd

[paper trench]

https://tenor.com/view/table-flip-anime-angry-gif-12163263

[solid kestrel]

[true stirrup]

Welcome to the club

I'm on 34x in a row fails now

Join me in my adventure into the land of credit card debt

[paper trench]

[solid kestrel]

you all gamble with cc debt?

i'm only gambling my savings

[remote imp]

https://tenor.com/view/mihoyo-genshin-impact-genshinimpact-yae-miko-hot-chick-babe-hawt-pretty-beautiful-waifu-wifey-gif-24165092

[prime salmon]

is there no clawnado soul badge?

im legit getting everything except clawnado lol

hornet, strike, and sunflower ?????

[solemn oar]

you're just unlucky 😦

[prime salmon]

and NO ONE is selling the badge either 😭

[rigid delta]

thats a good thing

what are people doing with clawnado badge lmao

[solemn oar]

Don't listen to him. I support you playing clawnado

[rigid delta]

I tried to make you one and ran out of weekly limit

[prime salmon]

i need it 😭 ive been opening boxes and keep getting SF and hornet

[prime salmon]

ty ada u_u u a real one..

[solemn oar]

I gotchu

I expect to see you clawnadoing with me in the server merge

[prime salmon]

you're going to see my cat do zdps and perma stunned

[solemn oar]

thats exactly what i want to see 🙂

[chrome epoch]

still at 0/0

i dont dont gamble 100€ for a 5% chance i rather go casino

[true stirrup]

0/34 since patch

[chrome epoch]

well just dont gamble

with all that money you could have bought one

but now its all wasted xD

[true stirrup]

Can't buy when nobody selling

[chrome epoch]

wait for event

[true stirrup]

They're all salvaging into 3 fragments

[chrome epoch]

oh true

thats another rng

after hitting the 5% u gotta get the right one if not pray for 4 pages

so RNG on top of RNGesus

[true stirrup]

I've already hit the 5% once and not gotten the right one

I don't want to attempt reroll unless I have two to salvage

I have like 5k gold ready for it

Should be enough

[chrome epoch]

how much did u spend already?

[true stirrup]

520k

LOL

[chrome epoch]

i mean overall in the game

[true stirrup]

I don't really want to think too hard about that

[chrome epoch]

you regret already? xd

[true stirrup]

I regret a lot of things

[chrome epoch]

is it 4 or 5 numbers?

[true stirrup]

5

[chrome epoch]

iam between 2 and 3 but 4 numbers

but thats still too much

[true stirrup]

😬

just let me hitttt

cant even hit the 20%

5% so doomed

[chrome epoch]

iam at 50% on the heroic one and 0 legy

[chrome epoch]

[true stirrup]

if i send in for the hong and jinsoyun at the same time and miss both at once

i cry

[true stirrup]

arent u EU hella whale

[chrome epoch]

na rather dolphin

[true stirrup]

dont you have 4 legendary sunflowers or something

thats like 4k USD each

[chrome epoch]

thats @lament skiff

i have 0 legy

i dont pay this ridiculous prices xD

i wait for event or i dont have

[true stirrup]

too bad you can'

can't F3 people on EU lol

i can see your submitted parses though haha

[true stirrup]

damn timestream whaleee

My summoner is hornets lmao

A long time ago when I started playing summoner @fickle glen inspired me to salvage my blue sunflowers and roll hornets

[rigid delta]

Blue flower so bad

Hornets was the way

[true stirrup]

Hornets can hit monarch in the air

[rigid delta]

I like how

We've only seen 2 summoner staffs from wb

[true stirrup]

3

[rigid delta]

But bm sword drops non stop

[true stirrup]

If you go back there's 3 total

Last one was in late April I think

[rigid delta]

Was there?

Ice cream got one

And then a kfm from virid bought the other lol

[true stirrup]

Ya I went and counted

To see which class has most

You can even see the 50 dg timestream lynblade

From one of the first drops

[true stirrup]

I lock anklebiter so that I can spam v in my monarch macro and not risk accidentally blocking the stuns or dazes that I need to launch.

I might make another accessory with vine whip, thorn strike and raging lash

[proud field]

Airing Monarch will bring hate on you in the EU servers.

[rigid delta]

He's getting knocked up by some xml lol

Monarchs are getting harder to get credit because of it for sunflower

[proud field]

Not on EU.

We don't air here.

That's a waste of dps for most players.

[true stirrup]

That helps me too

Hornets and ice rain can both hit it in the air

[true stirrup]

The handicap puts you sunflowers on even playing field with hornets gang

Since hornets is prolly doing like 33% less on equal gear

[proud field]

Cause sunflower > hornet.

[true stirrup]

So the knockups restore the balance to the world

[proud field]

You'll be getting hate upon hate. 😔

[true stirrup]

Nobody really knows who did it though

The XML knockups isn't me

[proud field]

It can be seen if someone wants to look for whoever does it.

[true stirrup]

Not if the cat does it

[chrome epoch]

it was cheap

[true stirrup]

The cat knockup will show the cats name

[proud field]

Even more if a cat does it.

[true stirrup]

You just have to name your cat the same as another summoner whose always at the monarchs

And it will be impossible to determine whose cat it was

[proud field]

That's not how it works. You can see the cat name.

Doesn't matter what name you have on the cat.

[true stirrup]

You'd be checking the combat log though to see who did

[proud field]

But this is not here or there, airing just makes everybody lose dps for a short period of time.

[proud field]

Which you can instantly do that with a bit dps loss. So yea we understand now that we will know who does it. 🙂

[true stirrup]

Yes but the combat log shows the cats name

That's why azura meter shows cats

For other players that aren't yourself

[proud field]

It shows the cat, so it's most likely a summoner.

There are not that many summoners getting Monarchs.

[true stirrup]

Yes but I'm saying you name the cat the same as another summoner who is usually at monarchs

[proud field]

But that doesn't work, cause the cat cc's not the summoner.

[true stirrup]

You find their cat name and copy it

[proud field]

If you'd do it to a bd/bm/kfm, MAYBE it would work.

[true stirrup]

Like I know Yukimoru's cat is named "Fite me"

If I also name my cat "Fite me"

[proud field]

So more than one cat can have the same name?

[true stirrup]

Nobody will know which cat did it

[true stirrup]

Yes

[proud field]

If so, then that's a bad design to begin with.

[true stirrup]

Cats can also have the same name as players, it's not unique

[proud field]

If someone keeps on doing it, it's a matter of time before they get caught.

And even then not much can be done. What will you do, not do Monarch after gathering 30 players?

A report might punish them cause it would stop players from enjoying the game, but it's a strech.

[true stirrup]

Knockup mini game is just one of several fun mini games you can play with monarch

The other is the orbital strike hopscotch

When you're tanking it SS into the largest blob of force masters you can find

So he keeps jumping on them every time

Gotta keep them on their toes sometimes

[proud field]

The way I see it, instead of disturbing everybody with these mini-games, I'd rather just dps, get my loot and do something else.

[true stirrup]

Do something else like the 900th tree run of the month so I can do an SS reroll once every 3 or 4 days

[proud field]

Can't say I understand that cause I am not at the Tree level, yet. (scratch that, it seems I do 17k dps at Tree)

[proud field]

Do we know what influeces these blue stats?

Bottom left.

[remote imp]

the books

you can't change the stats, books have set stats and each of a kind are all the same

[proud field]

Can we take advantage of a order?

[remote imp]

wdym order

the first book you put in is not stronger

doesn't matter

sunflower books have X stats

X stats don't change

[proud field]

So in the end it doesn't matter the order we equip the books.

[lament skiff]

The book tells you what stats it adds

[hoary shore]

anyone selling purple bestie book -.- ?

[spiral dagger]

eu/na?

[hoary shore]

eu

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[true stirrup]

IIRC it does matter in some specific situations the book order

But not for the stats that you're looking at.

I'm pretty sure the skill order on an accessory can affect the priority of which skill is used, but I could be wrong.

Like, if you put (all purples) rumblebees, hornets and sunflower books on the same accessory, I believe (?) the book in slot 1 of the accessory is the one that your RMB becomes

[proud field]

It will tell you that there is a problem, if the same number has 2 skills.

[true stirrup]

It'll tell you there's a problem, but it still uses one of the two books

[proud field]

What is there to gain? How do I maximize the order ?

[true stirrup]

There's nothing to gain, it only uses one book lol

[proud field]

I believe it will use the higher in color, so if one green one white, it will use the green one. No idea on the same color skills on the same number. But that's stupid to even think anyway.

[proud field]

I meant as in gaining different stats.

[true stirrup]

Stats from those are based purely on which books are slotted

It tells you on the book, when you hover over it, what stats that book gives

[proud field]

Which is standard then?

[true stirrup]

There's no standard, it varies from class to class what stats their books give.

[proud field]

We're in the sum channel, so it matters here to me. 🙂

[true stirrup]

But you don't like, pick books for the stats

Its just a side bonus

[proud field]

I thought that based on the order of the books equipped we'd gain different stats.

If it doesn't matter, then all the convos we had because of this will end. 😄

[true stirrup]

Nope

Shows for each book which it will be

Iirc there's only two different stat combos

It either gives defense + debuff resistance or piercing + debuff accuracy.

All legendary books give defense + debuff resistance combo, regardless of what stats the purple version gives.

[proud field]

mhm, this makes sense.

[spiral dagger]

[proud field]

Which one to pick?

Went back on crit dmg.

[rigid delta]

I think summoner cares more about crit

[proud field]

There's 2.

[rigid delta]

Since you get focus back on a crit?

[proud field]

Is there a sweet spot for Exile in terms of accuracy?

It seems that based on these stats, I finish with about 16k-17k dps at the Colossal Hexwood.

[rigid delta]

If youre not level 60 I wouldn't bother worrying about it

I think its like 1600 for shadowmore at 60 though

[proud field]

Damn.

I need to focus on psyches more and more.

[rigid delta]

Way cheaper to just get it on a ss

[proud field]

Yea that's the thing, but psyches do not drop from trees.

[rigid delta]

I mean the actual ss line, not a psyche

[proud field]

You mean add accuracy on ss's? eww

[rigid delta]

Missing on sunflower summoner is probably the biggest dps loss you can get lol

[true stirrup]

Yes they do?

Hexwood psyches???

[proud field]

That was a figure of speach, and no, it drops wep psychs.

[true stirrup]

Eh its not so bad

Just throw on detect

If you miss a sunflower, you always miss a non-crit since crits are never evaded

Since you get 2 free crits from detect, it's an average of 1 extra crit that you otherwise wouldn't have gotten

Since crit damage is higher than 200%, you net gained damage

[spiral dagger]

nice to have atleast 1,8 acc, i have 1,7 and i have like 99% on lab

but im not sure if this is accuracy in azuradara dps cuz.. sometimes boss just do 'move' and get resist or smth - that is also count like a miss.. kinda confused

[proud field]

This one?

[true stirrup]

Yes

[proud field]

The dps I mentioned is when I just dps, if I do a "mech" it goes to like 10kish.

[true stirrup]

Accuracy % in azura meter isn't quite accurate, since badges etc count as extra hits on azura, but evades are a single miss

[hoary shore]

anyone selling [ Bestie ] purple book!

[vestal sage]

WTS NA - on market 9,999 gems

[true stirrup]

Don't do flower mechanic as summoner on tree

Just refuse to do it

[proud field]

To late, did it.

Easy ss towards it, once I find it, then I get hmb'd.

[true stirrup]

Its easier for FM to do

[proud field]

We didn't have one.

I was the only range.

[true stirrup]

I end up doing it on my FM so when I play my summoner its someone else's turn to do it

[proud field]

I pinned also, while going towards the flower.

[lament skiff]

I think you can grab it after the pizza slice lands

[proud field]

I did it on cd, cause that's when they cc'd I noticed, bam grab.

[steel python]

Yeah ideally you SS to grab flower and iframe slice

No need for hmb at that point

[proud field]

Daybreak, can't iframe that I think.

[steel python]

You don't need that either

Just SS

It's timing related

[proud field]

Once you're in the flower, you're stuck, so the pizza hits you.

That's why I said that daybreak might not help, but hmb does.

Or you have Solidarity and save hmb for something else.

[steel python]

Or SS to iframe and grab flower...

[proud field]

.

Pizza comes after you're stuck.

[steel python]

You don't get rooted or take damage if you time it right

Dude I do this every tree run

0 issues

[proud field]

I believe you, I just went for the firs time today, spent 140 blessing, no wipes.

[true stirrup]

You can also 4 4

[true stirrup]

Bold of you to assume I run solidarity or daybreak

@lament skiff do you have 8 wind shock on summoner?

[steel python]

I always use on tree jump, last time I didn't someone yelled at the sin in the party

[proud field]

Whachu have?

[true stirrup]

If so, what's the cat HP, AP etc with 8 wind shock?

[true stirrup]

Nothing in the X slot, it's the basic true friend that it starts as

[proud field]

ewww

[true stirrup]

The sin can decoy the jump and then you can 4 4 the flower

For some reason, summoner 4 4 still works as personal

Even if dandy is on the global debuff cd

[proud field]

You know I noticed that once.

I thought it was a bug or something.

[lament skiff]

This?

[true stirrup]

Yes but do you have all 8 pieces on?

[lament skiff]

No lol

[true stirrup]

I noitced 3 pieces, cat gained noticeable stats

Windshock 1-2-8

[proud field]

Is there a set effect with the leg ss?

[lament skiff]

Yes, I've assumed the cat's stats are based on the quality of your gear

No

[true stirrup]

Left - 8 BSH2
Right - Windshock 1-2-8 + 5 BSH2

[true stirrup]

I feel like there's some sort of invisible set bonus for the cat. If I have 8 BSH2, and swap the BSH2-#1 for windshock 1, my cat gains only 200 hp. But if I have Windshock 2+8 and the rest BSH2, and then swap in the Windshock #1, the cat gains like 3k hp

[lament skiff]

You could test your theory by alternating which legendary ss you wear

Unfortunately I have shredded my purple lol

[true stirrup]

Which is why I was wondering about the 8 windshock lol

[lament skiff]

I would think ss5-8 add more

[true stirrup]

Maybe there's like increasing returns

[true stirrup]

#8 added more when swapped in alone, 7 BSH2 and the wind8 increased hp by like 4k

But it still doesn't make sense that the #1 added more HP when two other windshock pieces were already slotted in

[lament skiff]

Why

[true stirrup]

Vs when it was slotted in alone

When I get home I'll screenshot it

[true stirrup]

Because with no set bonus, the swap between bsh2 #1 and windshock 1 should be the same change in hp you would think

[lament skiff]

Oh maybe a secret cat bonus

[true stirrup]

Which is why I'm wondering about the 8 set lol

Maybe the cat gets hulk bonus

200k + hp

Hugeee

[lament skiff]

Legendary Cat

[true stirrup]

I'll swipe for that

[lament skiff]

It glows yellow

[true stirrup]

I'll take a cat that doesnt randomly get demolished on lab boss

[lament skiff]

Cat likes the purple puddles too much

[true stirrup]

I also don't have hive swarm or daybreak or purple drain to heal it

The only healing it gets is from the cat Q getting hit and me chugging hp potions on cooldown to feed it HP

And besties, but I'm forced to save that

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-sleepy-kitten-tired-cat-good-night-gif-25943194

Cat tankiness so bad

On lab

Also pin shambles with lightning and tornadoes

I'm tempted to get pin X book just for that

[true stirrup]

Dodo takes one for the team

I don't need focus enough to warrant sacrificing a hornets for a pin book

[steel python]

It's bleed too

Which is nice

[lament skiff]

Isnt it only immune while you smash x?

A well timed fu tornado could still smack the cat into the air

[true stirrup]

The uptime on that bleed is so bad lmao

[steel python]

Yeah it's only during the X

[true stirrup]

Either you have enough bleed on the team and you don't need that bleed

Or you don't, and that bleed won't be refreshed by team

[steel python]

And yeah it's why I dropped it

[true stirrup]

So the uptime is too low

[steel python]

Cuz uptime is so meh

[true stirrup]

Prolly have an FM blasting it with dual dragons anyway

[steel python]

Phie runs it though

[true stirrup]

X5

[true stirrup]

Look phie runs one of everything it seems

[steel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933801860366348/1396110888682917888/IMG_0608.gif

[true stirrup]

No double hornets books I think

[steel python]

Putting in the work

[true stirrup]

Problem is to get hornets damage to an acceptable level you just need to stack a tonne of purple hornets books

[true stirrup]

And then you run into the bombard problem

Once you have all purples

Then what lol

[steel python]

You know

[lament skiff]

Stack yellows 😄

[leaden lance]

You slowly get EPs until EP out damages

[rigid delta]

The immune on x is a lie

Cat always gets ccd off

[paper trench]

52% crit rate on worldboss

xddddddddddddddddddddddd

[spiral dagger]

where were u on wb dude

50 hornets and no top10?????????

[true stirrup]

if youre including the cat, its not really accurate

since the cat has low crit stat and pulls down your average

while doing very little of the damage

Just look at the crit% for hornets/sunflower

[ashen monolith]

[true stirrup]

Ain't no way this is WB right

[lament skiff]

What's wrong with it

[ashen monolith]

oh hexwood

i havent touch WB for the last 2 days

[true stirrup]

Oh the previous person had said they had 52% crit on WB and I was like

Their crit would have to be so low to crit 52% on level 46 boss

But it wasn't wb parse

[lament skiff]

I'm around 52 lol

[true stirrup]

Wtf no way how

[lament skiff]

Idk

I just point and shoot, man

[true stirrup]

My FM has no class crit rate buffs and I get 70-73%

With ~6600 crit stat

[solid kestrel]

crit varies a lot

it's 50-65% for me

[true stirrup]

I don't think I've seen it range that much on WB for me

I think recently lowest I saw was 67ish

And highest 72

[lament skiff]

My crit is 4.8k

For I was born a summoner

[true stirrup]

Wat

Aren't you the omega whale

[lament skiff]

I don't think so

[true stirrup]

4 legendary sunflowers

I've heard rumours

I mean your profile picture is a sunflower

I'm being bamboozled

[remote imp]

There is no giga whales in EU, at best just regular whales

[solid kestrel]

even i have 5700 crit

[true stirrup]

4 legendary sunflowers is giga

That's like

16k usd probs

[solid kestrel]

p2w yourself some crit too emraell, just books won't cut it

[remote imp]

Might be wrong but most legendary skill I have seen was 3 on a warlock

[true stirrup]

On NA negi has 4 ep

[remote imp]

Yeah but NA is 💳

[true stirrup]

Are sunflowers not like 650k ish on EU?

Well NA has no summoner legendary books left at all

They all got salvaged by other class

Or 3 fragment

Rip ice cream

[steel python]

Thesis

[rigid delta]

thesis could have taken off

banned before we saw the 3 legendary sunflower stack

[steel python]

Make him log in again

[ashen monolith]

funny

[steel python]

Yes please react 🫃 to it

Don't react ❤️

I'm goin for the freak award

[ashen monolith]

gave you a super reaction

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

@steel python hold up how is that summer themed??

[steel python]

They're on vacation

Essence farm doesn't stop when summer vacation comes around

[ashen monolith]

mine is just kinda cringe with the poem lmao

[true stirrup]

I'm gunna submit mine too

Do the mpregs and emotes help us win

[ashen monolith]

depend how mpreg-able it was

[dusty yarrow]

new outfit

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[solid kestrel]

nya :3

[ashen monolith]

NA wtb H. Sunflower PMO

[proud field]

price.

[ashen monolith]

its yours?

[proud field]

Nah man. I iz poor with 1 sunflower from the last bp.

[ashen monolith]

[proud field]

I always see one in Moonwater EU at like 16k, no one buys it.

Like eF that.

[ashen monolith]

i mean nobody is gonna buy it for 19k either.

so im looking for offer

[proud field]

That's just a bait, stupid is not the one selling but the one buying.

[chrome epoch]

skills are only worth 2k bc u can get them with bp now 🙂 just take it slow

[solid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sunflora-sunflower-energy-beam-solar-beam-group-of-sunflora-gif-27404614

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bored-bee-nft-nf-ts-crypto-eth-gif-2563848448979537538

[quartz mortar]

WTS HORNET PURPLE EU VERY CHEAP PM PLS

[spiral dagger]

@lament skiff what dps are u doing on wb usualy? 70k +?

[lament skiff]

lol no

[spiral dagger]

[lament skiff]

I'm told my CR is low

[worldly palm]

[EU] WTS

[true stirrup]

Make it higher

[spiral dagger]

i think i have lower stats than u

[lament skiff]

We can check in 2 weeks lol

[vestal sage]

WTB NA - Purple Sunflower, DM me price

[prime salmon]

WTB Purple briar patch

[chrome epoch]

random question but, anyone here who will be @ gen con ?

[proud field]

Where is it?

[chrome epoch]

Indianapolis

[proud field]

Damn, the price is kinda steep for a little vacation.

[chrome epoch]

i just need someone to buy something for me there xD

[hybrid tide]

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[solid kestrel]

nya :3

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

[hybrid tide]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cat-crunch-emote-crunch-emote-gif-5506737341963771034

[paper trench]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/286881842789875713/1085839638624731246/ezgif-3-af1195d740-1.gif

[rigid delta]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759543916432719964/1081643230703140904/ezgif-3-af1195d740_1.gif

[solid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/spazcat-nibby-kissy-eyes-looking-gif-7506857785910301253

[mighty radish]

https://tenor.com/view/mclovin-cat-underwater-meow-funny-gif-3477884

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wave-vibe-vibing-vibin'-gif-7210982161480492538

[proud field]

Who's selling these on Moonwater, can we perhaps strike a deal, a payment plan or something?

[spiral dagger]

Buy or wait till cheaper

That’s the deal

[lament skiff]

Do you think the steam players will have money to spend on books

[minor sun]

Nope

[solid kestrel]

agree i don't have money for books :c

[ashen monolith]

WTS

[worldly palm]

how much is this, if I want to sell it?

[proud field]

Find me the Mystic Badge for Sunflower please.

[worldly palm]

im using it lol

[proud field]

Get another and give.it.to.me.please.

[prime salmon]

WTB NA:
Purple Briar Patch
Blue Sunflower (8x)

[dusty yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-f87SdSuwSs

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-train-loaf-gif-16290561475055465817

[ashen monolith]

can't wait for next 2 weeks lmao

[rigid delta]

you missed the 6 summoner party

[ashen monolith]

aww mann

[true stirrup]

You missed out

[proud field]

How many cats were harmed in doing this?

[gusty kiln]

The cats live on. Besties too good

[true stirrup]

no cats harmed

(nerf sunflower tho for real)

[proud field]

Can you show me what Crystal is using? Like spec/gear. That's kinda my DPS on Exile.

[gusty kiln]

Crystal got 1 purple hornet and like 11 blues

[proud field]

Damn, shouldn't she/he do more with those stats?

[true stirrup]

You should tell crystal about the petal toss its op

[proud field]

Ah wait. Hornet.

[gusty kiln]

Yeah they wanna buy a 3 mantra 1 crit liner gold belt before they buy any more books

But market been dry

[true stirrup]

petal toss is like fodder price boook

[proud field]

Make Crystal play Sunflower.

[true stirrup]

can find it cheap

[true stirrup]

I am also hornets lol

pain

[proud field]

I assume your stats are way high if you're second.

[true stirrup]

Yeah Crispy usually does more than me too, i just have a weapon rolled for Hexwood atm lol

[proud field]

I see these Hornet users, with high Ms doing shiet DPS. (Not saying Crystal did that, but , there's a but, those stats on sunflower would have double dps)

[gusty kiln]

Yeah I rolled my wep for tree too

Double 3.1%

[proud field]

I never understood these stats, never looked into it.

[true stirrup]

If the affinity matches the ones the boss has, you do that percent more damage.

If it does not, it does nothing

[proud field]

Sheesh

Is there a neutral ground?

Like, to do extra DMG cause of that stat everywhere?

[true stirrup]

No, you can roll 1 of 5 affinities in the top line, and 1 of 5 affinities in the bottom line

[proud field]

Also how can you tell which affinity goes where?

[true stirrup]

the top and bottom line have seperate roll pools.

[proud field]

Then you technically lose DMG if that.

[true stirrup]

?

You can't lose damage from the line.

It either matches and you gain damage, or it does not and there is no effect.

[proud field]

I mean, if the stat is not the right one, you lose instead of having dps inc.

[true stirrup]

No

you don't lose if it doesn't match

you can only gain.

[proud field]

Ok, you don't lose, but you do not gain anything extra.

[true stirrup]

yes

[proud field]

That's what I meant.

[true stirrup]

you can see what the boss has by mousing over there

or viewing the boss information on yast

[proud field]

Oh that's kinda cool.

I have to check what my wep has, if it has anything.

[true stirrup]

you can reroll those lines, it costs 18 wep powder and 80 silver for a siren/hexwood to reroll, and 24 weapon powder and 1.8 gold for a timestream to reroll them.

[steel python]

Oh its more for timestream/

[proud field]

Mines hexwood.

[steel python]

Guess im not getting one then

[true stirrup]

i might take this though

debating on it

[proud field]

But those powders, I'd rather use them to craft something like psychs.

[gusty kiln]

Take it

IMO

[ashen monolith]

i can't join

[proud field]

This will be gated for a while.

[proud field]

What's the DPS requirements? 38k?

[true stirrup]

37k no bleed no negative enrage time, I think you need like 32k realistically

you can always push time negative

[proud field]

Yes but being to close for comfort is never a good thing.

[true stirrup]

39,425 hp/second is half that with bleed

bleed x5 will reduce DPS per person needed by almost 5k

[proud field]

When you say bleed, who can bleed? Sins? Us as a sum if specced for it?

[true stirrup]

Summoner can't maintain bleed unless you play rumblebees.

if youre playing rumblebees i don't think you can do damage

[proud field]

That's a même spec.

[true stirrup]

the only other bleed is green or blue scratch

But the time is so low that its pointless

[proud field]

I don't think that'd be enough to help, would it?

[true stirrup]

itll be someone else's job to do bleed

[true stirrup]

nope not useful imo

[proud field]

What would you say between the smothering paw -30 def on blue and a blue focus damage pin, which one is better?

I would assume that the purple focus pin is better, but what if it's blue?

[true stirrup]

i would just take no blue pin book and use another damage book

[proud field]

For real?

Even let go of hammer?

[true stirrup]

i use defense down hammer

[proud field]

Yes def red.

[true stirrup]

but you don't need a pin book to use that

[proud field]

Well I know however, the pin book smothered paw, w/e it's called, is kinda beneficial to the entire party isn't it?

[true stirrup]

The blue one doesn't give focus , just def down and poison stacks

it doesnt stack with hammer def down

i just hammer the boss before I pin

[proud field]

Yes I know, I'm talking about the -30 or whatever it does as pin.

[proud field]

So you're opinion here is, non of them?

[true stirrup]

yeah

[proud field]

Or a purple focus pin?

[true stirrup]

You can use that if you want, I don't use it since I don't need focus that badly.

[proud field]

That's not just for the sum, but for the group mostly.

Perhaps I'm not asking the right sum, cause you mentioned you play Hornet. I think you guys have a different playstyle?

[true stirrup]

My Wind BD friends don't really need focus

If your team mates need focus, it helps them a lot

[proud field]

I won't always have premades. So I'm thinking more broad.

[true stirrup]

if they aren't a focus hungry spec, they don't need it, might not even notice you have it

Sunflower it helps yourself as well so probably use one

since you won't have cat Q during pin

[proud field]

I first have to see it on the market, check the price, die of heart failure then stick to my blue skills.

[true stirrup]

Hornets just does a lot less than sunflower at base

the only way I can do decent damage is just stacking a lot of purple hornets

[proud field]

My 20 ms will probably give me close to my sunflower DPS. But it's to costly to change anything and I like sunflower for now. (Unless they buff wind, then I'll switch)

I mean Hornet, wind was on live.

[true stirrup]

i have like 20-23 ms

it's nowhere near sunflower damage

[proud field]

Then everybody was lying to me from the beginning.

Good thing I went sunflower.

[true stirrup]

i do less with 8 purple hornets than crispy chicken does with 3 purple sunflowers

[proud field]

Or they were misinformed themselves.

Hornet is easier to start with. That I know.

Sunflower is focus hungry. I know.

[true stirrup]

at blue books only hornets probably does more

blue sunflower is really bad

[proud field]

Atm, I'm at 2 purple sunflowers.

[true stirrup]

i played blue sunflower before

[steel python]

Hornets better than sunflower until you get purple books

Then sunflower gets better personal dps and hornets matches them with def hammer

Then later one at legendary sunflower or when GM changes comes out, then sunflower should always beat

[proud field]

I have to figure out at what point I won't need a hammer/pin book.

[steel python]

So hammer adds about 10% damage on your teammates

so if you have 3 teammates doing 50k, that's 15k dps you'll need to make up by not having hammer

[proud field]

So hammer is always good to have even if not used?

[steel python]

You have to use it

Can't be lazy

That's why hornets is so nice because you can focus entirely on cc'ing and hammer

[proud field]

That's at the cost of focus and my own DPS. Will most players be mad because of that?

[steel python]

Nobody expects summoners to do dps

I have legit done full tree runs with a broken weapon and nobody complains

[proud field]

I can understand this, cause they want that pin, regardless of book or not, they want if no one is FM that flower, and they want that stealth with or without another sin in the party.

[steel python]

Anyone who yells at you for not being top dps is not someone you want to party with anyways

[proud field]

Since sins do more DMG.

[steel python]

As for pin

I always run it

Its good for your own personal damage too, especially if you don't have purple focus mantra

[proud field]

I have some blue mantras.

[steel python]

If i ever have a focus hungry alt, I would actually consider not taking a summoner who doesn't have a purple pin book

[proud field]

My pin is blue.

[steel python]

Oh then just drop that

You want any purple pin

[proud field]

Well in a perfect world I'd have all purple skills.

[steel python]

It's like your second prio book imo

[proud field]

But, my -30 def blue pin was for the party mostly.

[steel python]

Yeah it's ok to have, especially since it does boost your damage a bit

But i would immediately look to buy purple pin

That's what gets you in parties

[proud field]

Any purple pin?

[steel python]

Any yeah

Sunflower likes smothering paw the most but the other 2 are fine

[proud field]

Would a focus or DMG not be a priority?

[steel python]

I would still use it

People just want focus

[proud field]

Thing is, I have access to either a blue sunflower to use instead of the smothering blue paw or a blue focus pin.

[steel python]

I would honestly just not change anything because i'm too cheap to remove the skills off

the difference is no big deal

[proud field]

Wouldn't have to be a big deal, just min maxing what I can.

[true stirrup]

I don't think you can match the sunflower with hornets on equal gear unless you're counting the hammer additional damage on team mates as your contribution

[steel python]

Yeah i am

Is relevant stat

[true stirrup]

@steel python come to my channel and hammer the WB for me

[steel python]

I'm busy selling stuff

[true stirrup]

selling what

[steel python]

Kaari shields

[true stirrup]

Don't tell me you're doing it manually

Please

[steel python]

I'm waiting for a download

[true stirrup]

I wanna do Shadowmoor on my summoner too for daily stamina so you do kinda need to do damage too :3

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

This is also like having team mates way over geared for it lol

The raw damage you add to mega pumpers is a lot more compared to your own personal damage

[steel python]

Yeah that's just an example, i'm assuming he'll do the math himself

[true stirrup]

Unless it's wind BD or ice FM or uh one of those other specs that are focus neutral or positive in rotation

I've never played wind BD but I've never heard Aeria or Aya complain about me not having it

[steel python]

They only lose focus if they miss, so pretty much never

Only relevant on wb i think

[proud field]

So I could potentially replace my smothering blue paw with a blue sunflower? (Leave the hammer on ofc)

[ashen monolith]

your hornets already match my sunflower. you'd be fine lol

thing is, i need a pt to run shadowmoor too. bamboo is a bit lacking in parties

we might have some up to run it fist day. but the schedule of everybody might affect it

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[brittle glen]

WTS NA

[spiral dagger]

[prime salmon]

Why is ur lyn so... thick 😭💀

[rancid holly]

WTB Legendary book

[prime salmon]

@rancid holly didn't u transmute a legendary book -.- where did it go

[worn jewel]

WTB Legendary books NA

[spiral dagger]

here is mine legendary

[lament skiff]

Wait you didn't buy the yellow hammer?

[spiral dagger]

long story

i dont want to talk about my mistakes ok

[rare flicker]

WTS NA purple Sunflower

[rancid holly]

me to only 3 Fragments

[rancid holly]

only3 Legend Fragments

[lament skiff]

I wish we got a yellow frag for every failed transmute

[ashen monolith]

I can't dms you

[rare flicker]

one sec

[rare flicker]

sold it, ty everyone

WTB NA Hornet Nest

[true stirrup]

NA or EU

[steel python]

Kapp is EU

[spiral dagger]

Yeah I’m eu

[ashen monolith]

do you guys use prickly for SF?

[steel python]

Yes

[ashen monolith]

but youre a hornet

[steel python]

Is pretty useful

I use sunflower too

Second build

[ashen monolith]

i've been tempting to remove prickly to add another 2 GM. but it sorta hinder my focus regen

or i was just too used with prickly and seedshroud spams

[steel python]

Idk since I save drain and hive swarm for honey I feel like prickly is kinda necessary

Especially if cat can't just stay in Q on CD

[ashen monolith]

icic

[steel python]

Also it depends if you're on the 5 stack poison solo train

Smothering paw does stack 5 and you can lmb it to refresh but if you mess up and forget + no grab available you lose uptime

Also it enables def hammer better if you're into that too

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-cute-kawaii-kitty-gif-492947389134426846

[steel python]

Kapp you have Lego sunflower you don't need to care

[ashen monolith]

used to play it. it was horrible

[steel python]

Yeah I'm not a fan either

Most the people who invite me to runs are looking more for focus than def hammer

[ashen monolith]

especially with H.Daybreak

FMs love to stick to me

[steel python]

But yeah I'm a big fan of prickly

This matters more for hornets but it lets me stack poison while doing minimal damage so I won't pull off tanks who need time to set up

Starting tree with a range check is a bad idea

[rigid delta]

No

only if im using jank def hammer sunflower build

regen focus paw lets you be lazy with focus now

but even before it I still wasn't using it

[proud field]

Must be nice having Purple Prickly.

[ashen monolith]

dude, you sounds like the one clown from our server who always complain starting with "must be nice" with aquirky tone lmao

[proud field]

That's more of a meme, 🍻.

[ashen monolith]

nono i didnt mean to call you out lol

[proud field]

That sounded triggered. 🙊

[ashen monolith]

no lol

its just a bit specific

he was like the N-bomber on bamboo

spent all his time in WC to rampling

[proud field]

Not gonna lie I am a bit upset that most of the purples I need are out of my range, for now anyway.

The pepos that wanna sell them, they wanna cash-out big time, but not with me.

[true stirrup]

Someones gotta gave some

right

[steel python]

Someone earlier was looking for hornets here too

you got competition

[true stirrup]

dodo is hoarding them

[steel python]

yummy hornets

[dusty yarrow]

how many supersunflower u can use in a normal overflow?

[maiden flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357802662992675099/1394891527381188718/sun.mp4?ex=688452f7&is=68830177&hm=361d313d6f372054cf41b39e8d0d76ecfe3258ebe29cd3fe643e5f44f8dbbdd8&

I do 10 with that ping and 18 during honey, think it's supposed to be 12 ssf with normal ping

[dusty yarrow]

u dont use macro, right?

[wise pelican]

SF have macro ?

[dusty yarrow]

Believe it or not, there are people who use it.

[wise pelican]

i think just hold RB

[maiden flint]

Yeah I just hold

[dusty yarrow]

if 12 is the normal, so the gcd of ssf is 0.4 +/-

[broken umbra]

WTS NA

[steel python]

Yeah that's definitely ping issue, is this with exitlag?

Cuz if not I suggest using it

Actually ping looks stable so probably with

[dusty yarrow]

Have you done the calculations to see if the Hornet reaches the DPS of the Sunflower?

[steel python]

No way it reaches sunflower

My 10GM sunflower beats out my hornets right now

Though that's with hive swarm on both

[dusty yarrow]

they did the calculations of the BM's skills and there is a number of gm where the dps becomes equal

[steel python]

Between DT and Puncture?

Or DT and Hybrid

Ngl I refuse to believe DT can match puncture unless you're hitting like 300 GM

[dusty yarrow]

hs vs punc

[steel python]

HS is troll build isn't it?

Like you need blocks or something

[dusty yarrow]

not now

[steel python]

I've never considered it tbh

[dusty yarrow]

after leg version

[steel python]

Ah I have outdated info

[dusty yarrow]

I wanted to do this here, but is hard

[steel python]

I massively doubt sunflower loses to hornets at high investment

[dusty yarrow]

because hornet have fixed gcd and sunflower not

[steel python]

Since GM stacking should be more efficient on SF

I'd run the math without accounting for SF honey and assume just 5 normal SF and 12 SS

And we can say the time spent using focus skills is made up by the extra SS's from honey

[broken umbra]

do u know where i can find it?

[dusty yarrow]

maybe @empty plinth can show u

[broken umbra]

tyty!

[dusty yarrow]

In the end, we all will have to surrender to the sunflower.

[steel python]

Yep that's why I'm prepping

[dusty yarrow]

Did you hear anything about the cat's build?

[steel python]

Nope

[dusty yarrow]

sad

[steel python]

I'm gonna to go any Lego book I get

So if I get strike speed inc

We'll see

[dusty yarrow]

courage

everything in this game is very expensive to test

[empty plinth]

with leg hs, at high gm stacks HS can pull more dmg over DT

but dmg bis still Punc

in our currently patch 72 leg dt gm stacks is losing to 60 purple punc stacks

[broken umbra]

i see, but next patch we're gonna have leg puncture, r8?

so puncture will still be the best for dps

[solemn oar]

I'm going cat build in silverfrost even if it means im the only one in NA doing it

[paper trench]

Just write supp and let it change back to book

[true stirrup]

Sunflower scales better

Hornets damage output also gets rekt by lower crit % on higher level enemies

World boss or dummy damage output is a rather poor measure of damage output since we out level it by 14 levels now.

[chrome epoch]

[prime salmon]

bro, my alt that has only 1 purple SF book does 14k dmg in blue dungeons, whereas my rumblebees alt (14GM) does 5k 😭

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[empty plinth]

Need to pump more 🐝

[rigid delta]

You'll be the only one on na playing come silver frost

[solemn oar]

Ya i mean i wouldnt say rumble is even really viable this patch its just a goofy fun build. It wont be good until 48 gm speed hammer.

Keep in mind rumble right now will probably be bit lower dps than a hornets build assuming you are doing clawnado/def hammer with it

Defense shred on a lower geared account is a cheat code to get into any party 🙂 good for alts

and since rumble has bleed, your effective dps is way higher than meter would ever show (assuming your party doesnt already have it)

[quartz mortar]

WTS EU BUY FAST

[bleak wadi]

you’d b the coolest cat 😍

[spiral dagger]

it's not working anymore

[lament skiff]

Seems silly

It'd keep you buying 500g worth of ncoin

Maybe not worth the time it takes for their staff?

[spiral dagger]

some people were abusing it from the beginning and openly talking about it on discord, that's why they decided it was wrong

[proud field]

Not everybody deserves nice things.

[worldly palm]

how many seconds does your Super Sunflower last with all the Honey that you get from Purple books?

[lament skiff]

If your photosynthesis lasts for over 4 hours, consult a doctor.

If you pop honey before photosynthesis ends

It should last a few seconds longer

Drain and dng have some animation, and dng is very easy to accidentally cancel

Hive swarm is a quick animation

[worldly palm]

its great to get analysis from the og summoner 🫡

[lament skiff]

My official statement is this one.

[vestal sage]

https://streamable.com/bgwrp5

longest ive had overflow for, maybe can be 1-2s longer

[worldly palm]

thanks for the video

hmmm

so every 30 sec, Super sunflower could last for approximately for 20 sec

[worldly palm]

yes I have noticed that

[maiden flint]

49 ssf? if i counted right

[worldly palm]

so its possible in the future that Sunflower could last most of the time with leg books, is there any records about it in the korean version?

[prime salmon]

Yeah, it definitely does way lower dps than the other 2 specs. I stacked on clawnado and it feels cheeks lol. I didn't know that bleed doesn't show on dps meter, but in lower content I don't think anyone cares LOL. Won't be good until silverfrost like u said.

[maiden flint]

there's no change

just purple drain dng blue hive, no more upgrades

[solemn oar]

Well bleed just stops the bosses natural hp regen. and neo bosses have insanely high hp regen, for example wintermane has like 13k regen, its practically the equivalent of needing a 7th player to hit the dps requirement to clear. But with shadowmoor coming out, mookwans regen is like 39k, which is just nuts. groups without bleed are severely gimping themselves and making the dps reqs on content way higher than they should be

[prime salmon]

That's true, sins and bds can have consistent bleed though

[solemn oar]

unfortunately not too many classes in neo get to apply bleeds for free. It usually requires them to spec something that would otherwise lower their dps. It of course worth to run it, but if you have a spec that applies bleed without needing wacky specs its big buff

idk how bd works fully, but i know with sin, its still a bit of a dps loss to be upkeeping the bleed

[prime salmon]

But considering that rumblebees doesn't do enough dps compared to the other 2 specs, I don't think they'd feel inclined to invite us though even if we apply consistent bleed?

They'd prefer to have a sin or bd get some dps loss than inv a zdps bee summ

[solemn oar]

i think that in general the majority of the playerbase dont really respect how strong bleeds and defense shred are

[prime salmon]

Ye, the bosses in current content don't really need it

[solemn oar]

leads people to just look at the meter and think "o ew the hornet summ is doing only 20k when everyone else is 40k+ - bad class"

[prime salmon]

That's true ;x

Also, if end game build for bees is speed strike, how will be apply def down efficiently? I know there's other skills that do it but it's not as good or consistent

[solemn oar]

its just a game knowledge thing. Always gotta remember that your average player in an mmo isnt the type to be on class discussion threads on discord/looking up videos/using optimized builds. So when information is a little unclear, it just gets more muddied

the gm changes to speed strike are what make the spec viable

[tawdry orbit]

This effect have global cd?

[solemn oar]

48 gives us shred, and 30 solves the core issue of protecting cat

[prime salmon]

Man I shouldve went speed hammer -3-

But then again I transmuted 2 claws so ig that's why I went claw build lol

[solemn oar]

right now def hammer/clawnado is just the way to go for the build cause shred is super strong

but its a bad build to begin with, youre better off just doing hornets

[prime salmon]

I know, I already have 2 hornet summs though so it'd be boring playing the same thing over and over qq

[solemn oar]

yeah agreed

speed hammer is basically just a more self focused dps build. but aside from it being cheaper and having free bleed there isnt really a reason to run it over sunflower if you just want big numbers

[solemn oar]

having multiple mantra sets across your accs that contribute to the same effect, say changsu, just buff the green number on it

the ap as additional damage one isnt very good, generally you want to go for a mix of cr/cd and depending on your build, a bit of focus if its needed for rotation

[tawdry orbit]

i ask about cooldown

is it global if i use 2-3 same effect for example

(Changsu precisely)

[solemn oar]

stacking more wont effect the global cooldown

they all just get blended together into 1 changsu effect that will proc

and all mantra effects work similarily.

[lean juniper]

WTS EU PMO

[proud field]

How do you cancel the animation, it seems to last forever once you F.

[lament skiff]

Idk if you can on summoner

Hitting any other skill appears to cancel dng and you lose the cast

[proud field]

Gcd sometimes is annoying.

[rigid delta]

no idea

sometimes it cancels

and sometimes it doesnt lol

for drain that is

dng you cannot cancel or it just goes on cd lol

you can only do it with the other versions of dng

[true stirrup]

ya thats why i hate that one

[true stirrup]

I can cause it to cancel with 100% consistency

[rigid delta]

Like it should be considered a war crime for taking away doom n bloom from live

it was so good

[true stirrup]

Was it not the channel like neo?

[rigid delta]

nope

you just dropped it instantly

animation could be canceled as well

and it was like 10 meters

the circle radius that is

[true stirrup]

So that skill got nerfed

[rigid delta]

pretty heavily

and they also nerfed 1

You used to be able to briar patch after doing 1

[true stirrup]

But that's okay right because they probably buffed other skills to compensate right

[rigid delta]

no buff what so ever in any areas

nerfs all across

the only thing you could consider being a buff, if you can even call it one

is being able to use true friend while cc'd

[solemn oar]

Dnr feels like how dnb did in live, too bad its kinda ass

[true stirrup]

Was there defense hammer in live?

[rigid delta]

nah

your cat kinda just existed on live lol

[true stirrup]

That's a buff then right

[rigid delta]

I dont see it as a buff because I think your 2 did def down?

I can't remember live summoner for pve. I just did pvp and 6v6

I think biggest change was letting you spec two whip cc's

[true stirrup]

Was there besties in live?

[rigid delta]

but the desync is so bad on neo you might as well not have it

[solemn oar]

I could be wrong but i think cat grab had a small def shred in it. But it was largely irrelevant because they werent really giving content excessively high defense and we got a bunch of piercing default

[rigid delta]

nah we had better than besties

drain gems lol

and our Z heal was so good

[true stirrup]

Drain gems is literally just card set drain

[rigid delta]

its basically cheer up with a movement speed

[true stirrup]

Card Sets >>> Gems

[rigid delta]

yeah I agree but cards also more whale then gems to get

you could get a really good drain gem right away

on neo its so expensive

[solemn oar]

Z heal worked very different in live. It was basically just a passive heal. You press it once and every 6(?) Seconds everyone gets a chunk of hp.

[true stirrup]

Neo it affects all your characters though

[rigid delta]

nah it was a raw heal

it was our F that was passive heal

[rigid delta]

you could mail gems though

[solemn oar]

For party? Nuhuhh z was a party heal or cat heal

[true stirrup]

but cant use on both characters at same time

[rigid delta]

nah Z heal was cat and self heal

and had a 5 second movement buff

[solemn oar]

Unless youre talking a later patch than im familiar with

[rigid delta]

and then if we had 5 honey stacks you got a big shield from true friend

uhhh last patch before third spec I guess

[solemn oar]

Ok yea were just talking diff patches than xd. I got no idea what youre talkin about

[rigid delta]

I know the class went through a lot of changes

Z heal used to be so bad

[solemn oar]

I only know as far as TT

[rigid delta]

Ah

yeah we got a busted z heal later on

I dont think neo made it better. The movement speed old one used to have was so good

since we have like 0 movement options to begin with

[solemn oar]

Yeah some sort of mobility would make smn so much fun

[true stirrup]

There is mobility

[solemn oar]

Tumble roll

[true stirrup]

You are just choosing not to take it

[rigid delta]

why did they give us tumble roll

and not pair it with sweet wish

[true stirrup]

I like tumble roll

it's cool

it makes a funny sound

[rigid delta]

tumble roll was the go to for 6v6

[solemn oar]

The animation is so funny

[rigid delta]

but we had instant cat res on live

no instant cat res makes tumble roll rip

[solemn oar]

Cat spec for neo can run tumble

[rigid delta]

no cat Q seems

[solemn oar]

Dont need q for cat if you have infinite cat iframes

[rigid delta]

nah what neo really needs to do more than anything (besides fixing terrible cat ai)

is give us back 1 second iframe on ss

[solemn oar]

Didnt our x used to iframe cat too?

[rigid delta]

yup

[solemn oar]

Yeah wtf nc

[rigid delta]

oh my god

why does your cat comes out of Q when you x on neo

its so dumb

[solemn oar]

Give us back cat x, and e resetting q

[true stirrup]

Because the cat casts it

[solemn oar]

And make cat less dumb in general

[rigid delta]

it never did on live