I mean he has no X, so no iframe there. That's a downer in my book already.
#Summoner
proud field
strange finch
what are u smoking xD
he has besties, hive, shroud and daybreak
he isnt sacrificing anything
he even got the pin
solid kestrel
but smothering so cute
solid kestrel
strange finch
anyone wanna buy smothering for 7k in EU? 
steel python
and so im just staring at my c cd while no def buff
solid kestrel
I def hammer before a cc and it overwrites my 10s
i kept doing that too... took a while to get used to not hammer before pin
solid kestrel
i specifically wait for other sums to use their pin before i hammer 
steel python
They're intruding on my gameplay 
Yeah i probably should let others do it but i can't trust randos to extend properly
steel python
Only time i dont extend
solid kestrel
in that case i just take the debuff downtime and pin myself
solid kestrel
same uwu i try to keep my cat alive
i usually ask them to not block too early or just let me do it with shroud
but shroud sometimes bugs and doesn't stop the boss even though it procs owo
proud field
he has besties, hive, shroud and daybreak
Daybreak is better than Solidarity?
steel python
summ so buggy
solid kestrel
daybreak gives focus regen but only 1s iframe
steel python
Daybreak is better than Solidarity?
Yes, if you're good
strange finch
Daybreak is better than Solidarity?
u need daybreak when u play SF
steel python
Solidarity lets you do a few things daybreak cant
But for the most part daybreak is better
strange finch
i personally dont have a focus issue, and i prefer to use solidarity
proud field
Blue Daybreak would be better than Green Solidarity?
strange finch
but i play hornet
solid kestrel
i play hornet and pick daybreak anyway owo
as long as i don't derp 5s iframe isn'T needed
steel python
The comparison is blue solidarity vs purple daybreak, i dont think any of the other ones are worth considering
strange finch
im doing flower on tree with solidarity, dunno if daybreak can do it
proud field
Blue Daybreak would be better than Green Solidarity?
But just based on this, while using sunflower as spec.
solid kestrel
ohh for the flower, just ss into it or have hmb
steel python
im doing flower on tree with solidarity, dunno if daybreak can do it
I'm not sure either tbh but i've come around to just ssing into it
solid kestrel
yeah then ss into it once the wave goes out
proud field
Drain blue or Gimme Light blue?
fallow bear
should i start to upgradeing my Legendary EQ? for ap push or waiting for my next ppl sunflower after Bp to boost dmg. i got only 2 actually
spiral dagger
Why not both?
chrome epoch
WTS EU
paper trench
WTS EU
spiral dagger
hard hamlet
meow :3
solid kestrel
is anyone interested in this? o: (soul core not included) if yes how much? you can choose between psyches too (NA)
spiral dagger
WTS EU
uncut fable
chrome epoch
WTS EU
ashen monolith
wasn't it 27k yesterday? (NA)
sturdy orbit
should repec into getting more acc since the scaling,using hornet nest,have 1k acc
solid kestrel
just get a detect set and you're fine as hornet
steel python
wasn't it 27k yesterday? (NA)
now the 37k guy gets screwed
solid kestrel
is anyone lvl 60 yet? o:
how's your dps at wb compared to before
it would seem like i've lost ~20% dps at wb from lvling up 
while in dungeons everything is ok
dusty yarrow
How much is the daybreak costing?
steel python
iunno but i wanna buy for 4k
dusty yarrow
ty
ashen monolith
wts
prime salmon
hornets getting cheaper
reef steppe
any macros for suflower build?
prime salmon
all u need is rmb
reef steppe
like TTTT?
dusty yarrow
like TTTT?
just hold rmb, dont need macro
reef steppe
got it
sand panther
I still have t macroed, since bns sucks at registering mouse clicks sometimes
dusty yarrow
I don't have sunflower
ashen monolith
I have interruptions when I use cat pin X for sunflower
you get interruption with anything being sunflower lol
ashen monolith
is it just me or cat is so buggy rn
especially when i use crouch. the focus recovery is like really slow
sand panther
cat is buggy, causing summoners to disconnect...
barren drum
true stirrup
I have interruptions when I use cat pin X for sunflower
This is fake, dodo is not sun flower
steel python
elder wyvern
This is fake, dodo is not sun flower
lol.. gamble for the win
chrome epoch
WTS EU
true stirrup
lol.. gamble for the win
Holy moly
white remnant
Mate do you feel, Why does cat sometimes bug lately?
Sometimes it appears next to me, but it turns out it's left behind.
Landing time after flying often experiences bugs too
Response speed for grabbing, after the lunge skill sometimes there is a delay which causes the grab to fail
shadow plank
WTBuy Purple Sunflower Pm Price ๐
fiery cape
Response speed for grabbing, after the lunge skill sometimes there is a delay wh...
this one happened since game open
rigid delta
I have interruptions when I use cat pin X for sunflower
Yes
You need to let go of rmb and x
Or spam the crap out of X during pin
Wait actually. X isn't the one that does that
Its the C extend that does
rigid delta
Response speed for grabbing, after the lunge skill sometimes there is a delay wh...
This whole bottom part was intended by neo
Why they chose to kill the classes ability to be able to react after almost any action but hammer and kd is a mystery
And the landing bug has been happening since live. Can't blame neo for that
Its just more noticeable on neo because you need the cat for Chi
But on live E used to reset Q and we dont have that
vestal sage
WTS NA - 15% EXP True Earring 6k on market
dusty yarrow
(first time we kill him)
new server?
tawdry orbit
ye
lament skiff
Congrats \o/
hard hamlet
meow :3
chrome epoch
the loot from steam is not shared?
chrome epoch
very cringe
digital bramble
WTS Daybreak EU
tawdry orbit
the loot from steam is not shared?
not share, just only for one server
(this boss drop item for head, and someone buy it 8888 gems :D)
amber briar
WTS EU PM offer ๏ผIโll go with the highest bid by tomorrow night!
rigid delta
damn legendary hammer
ashen monolith
ashen monolith
EP is cheaper than flower is crazy
rare flicker
WTS NA Purple Drain
hybrid tide
WTS EU Gimme light pmo
dusty yarrow
WTS NA Purple Drain
I pay 2k
vestal sage
WTS NA - Summ, 15% EXP Double CR/CD 5.5k on market
ashen monolith
WTS
hard hamlet
meow :3
lament skiff
Does the new yellow besties have the 3min debuff preventing hp increase?
shadow plank
WTBuy EU Purple Besties Pm
lament skiff
The current tooltip doesnt even mention the 3min cd on the hp buff
chrome epoch
ye weird
lament skiff
has the leg hammer been confirmed to cause poison on its own?
rigid delta
Don't give them ideas on how to make summoner better
chrome epoch
has the leg hammer been confirmed to cause poison on its own?
with gm it refreshes
chrome epoch
ye with more gm it has 20 sec def down
paper trench
and with 18 stacks 50% afaik
rigid delta
Hmmm
Wouldn't that just kill bees spec then
Assuming legendary flower vs legendary bees
paper trench
isnt bees dead since release?
lament skiff
The last thing I pulled from Yast is below:
์์ฐ๋
5์ค์ฒฉ ๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ 10์ด๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ด๋ ฅ 50% ๊ฐ์
When used on a target with 5 stacks of Natural Poison, defense is reduced by 50% for 10 seconds.
์์ฐ๋
5์ค์ฒฉ ๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ 20์ด๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ด๋ ฅ 50% ๊ฐ์
์์ฐ๋
5์ค์ฒฉ ๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ ์์ฐ๋
๊ฐฑ์
When used on a target with 5 stacks of Natural Poison, defense is reduced by 50% for 20 seconds. When used on a target with 5 stacks of Natural Poison, Natural Poison is refreshed.
์์ฐ๋
๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ 20์ด๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ด๋ ฅ 50% ๊ฐ์
์์ฐ๋
1์ค์ฒฉ
When used on a natural poison target, defense is reduced by 50% for 20 seconds. 1 stack of natural poison
At 3 yellow, it might apply poison on its own
dusty yarrow
The last thing I pulled from Yast is below:
```text
์์ฐ๋
5์ค์ฒฉ ๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ 10์ด๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ด๋ ฅ 5...
This is strange, one refreshes the poison and the other adds 1 stack.
if this is right, there's no way the last one would be worth it
lament skiff
My interpretation is you can just hammer until 5 stacks and it will always be on unless you dont hammer in 10s. I'm also assuming it will be a whole 60s of 50% def down
dusty yarrow
My interpretation is you can just hammer until 5 stacks and it will always be o...
You need to use the hammer once every 20 seconds for that.
and use poison once every 10 sec
it just became easier to maintain the def break for the sunflower build
lament skiff
Well unless there's a KR player with 3 hammers, we're probably waiting until this patch drops to find out for sure
sand panther
Do these always drop at 0%?
dusty yarrow
no ideia
sand panther
I just thought I won the lottery backwards
tawdry orbit
Do these always drop at 0%?
yes always with 0
lament skiff
What happens when you fuse two
tawdry orbit
What happens when you fuse two
nah idk
solid kestrel
What happens when you fuse two
+50 stats is what i was told, it's always a flat number and all values are always the same
lament skiff
A summoner forged a new legendary chest in Cinderlands
maiden flint
think i'll have to work on this, maybe sunflower down the road with a few legendary hammers but gl with that..
dusty yarrow
<:plogyou:1314380030306029608>
Is this your build today?
maiden flint
not quite, missing drain daybreak and hammers
its like 8k gems on hammer at current price for -50%, beats legendary at base, probably gonna go up in price tho
dusty yarrow
not quite, missing drain daybreak and hammers
better you put 1 Prickly and more books of hornet
this hammer update is still going to take a while
dusty yarrow
sure, but hornets aint cheap
maiden flint
i meant purples, im already full blues
dusty yarrow
oh
maiden flint
ashen monolith
i meant purples, im already full blues
the last one i saw earlier is 10k
like legit cheaper than a month ago which were doubled
maiden flint
yeah its like affordable now
but still not spending 30k to replace my blues for purples atm, considering the slots that will be taken by hammers
vestal sage
WTS NA - 5k on market
chrome epoch
WTS EU 8K
hybrid tide
WTS cheap EU, pmo
lament skiff
Does the level of detect matter?
broken umbra
WTB NA Heroic Skills - Daybreak - Doom n Gloom - Smothering Paw
steel python
Does the level of detect matter?
Not really imo
daring wyvern
better you put 1 Prickly and more books of hornet
Hi,
Why you should take Prickly? You get poison and Focus with the other Skills...
@maiden flint
Why you choose DnB and not DnG? And why you choose PP Damage Boost and not smothering paw?
Many questions...but i try to get a better understanding for the Hornet/Support Summoner build ๐
steel python
Prickly is nice but not needed
It's a good source of focus when you're range baiting (no cat Q cuz melees need)
Helps poisons stack faster (useful with sunflower summs)
Has almost instant AOE dmg after cast so we can tag MSP mobs quickly
Definitely not needed but I really like having it
Hornets doesn't want smothering paw because the 4s duration overwrites the 10s duration, if you're familiar with the fight you can usually hammer right before CC to have uptime for the whole grab
Also it's way cheaper
proud field
It overwrites the duration? Cause I think I saw 2x defense reduction while I pinned and right after I hammered cause I had 5 stacks on the boss.
spiral dagger
yes, it overwrites
u can see second debuff from BM skill/sin skill or idk if any other class has it too
proud field
But then how do you explain this.
spiral dagger
u can see second debuff from BM skill/sin skill or idk if any other class has it too
?????????
proud field
Are we not referring to the defense reduction time after a pin/hammer?
spiral dagger
yes, we do but i'm trying to explain why u saw 2 defense reduction icon under hp boss bar while pinned
i always use hammer before pin when boss has 5 posion stacks - to refresh them with smoothering paw
proud field
Oh it's from other classes too you mean.
spiral dagger
yes
proud field
I'ma try it solo on something, I think I saw it on me only. But I could be wrong.
Cause if it doesn't stack like that, then I shouldn't hammer after cause it removes the 10s one.
hard hamlet
meow :3
maiden flint
Also far in the future u'll hammer for 20s, so smothering goes rip
spiral dagger
ye, i can see 012830183 1summoners stacking hammer
we are fcked up with legendayr books on EU compare to KR events and sh!t
so stop talking like that cuz it is impossible to have for like 99.9% of summoners
chrome epoch
KR got change to salvage bound purple/legy books
meanwhile we dont even have any bound legy book
spiral dagger
from rng boxes
spiral dagger
Where from
from 37 box this guy got this
they are buying outfit in f10 for 500 divines, then try to rng legendary one - if not they just sell all trash outfits to merchant for gold then buy rng boxes for gold [it cost 10g each]
after that they are trying to get legendary cards + purple skills + event hearts [u see on screen above]
from that hearts u can transmute this box for legendary skills [bound and tradeable]
that's why almost all purple skills in kr cost like 1-2k cuz they are having many rng boxes with that and legendary is 'normal' not very rare like EU
and we are just 2 months behind with patches. so nice.
lament skiff
Oh KR has something like loot boxes?
spiral dagger
from the beginning
they are buying outfits in f10
like this
it cost: 500 DG - and they are getting outfits
low one is for 25g, high for 200g
also they have merchant with RNG Boxes
like this one:
for 10 gold each
from this boxes they are having this:
heroic skills, heoric cards, legendary cards, heroic core + hearts [and use it for transmute]
it is the drop from 300 rng boxes
lament skiff
Wow those rates are terrible
spiral dagger
but still they have more resources to get something?
this guy cards..
from hearts he can transmute this
and from 37 boxes he got this
spiral dagger
feels like much easier to get anything and much cheaper to play
lament skiff
I wonder if the drop rates for books are balanced with this in mind
dusty yarrow
Hi,
Why you should take Prickly? You get poison and Focus with the other Skills....
if u wanna do more dmg, prickly + petal toss is it's an alternative
knotty rampart
WTS EU SUM
All listed gear and skills, leave me an offer in pm
spiral dagger
HELLO ANY NA PLAYER HERE? ONLINE
@steel python @solid kestrel hello guys??? are u in game?
spiral dagger
crazy
steel python
Were you looking at tempest lord?
spiral dagger
yes
spiral dagger
yeah
steel python
dont you have legendary sunflower
spiral dagger
no
steel python
spiral dagger
steel python
spiral dagger
WTB ANY LEGENDARY SKILL EU
solid kestrel
<@172588779847024640> <@150281999557459969> hello guys??? are u in game?
you got me that one time in a century that i left my room 
spiral dagger
solid kestrel
i really haven't been outside since last thursday and you got me 
(and that was mandatory for work)
chrome epoch
i really haven't been outside since last thursday and you got me <a:sweating:852...
lies
you forgot about our date huh?
solid kestrel
i was wondering, why do you all still stack crit rate as sunflower?
wouldn't it be better to stack cd + acc or cd + hp?
solid kestrel
isn't SSF 100% crit anyway
so why'd you want more crit rate? just for 5 sunflower hits?
instead you could add more damage with acc + hp
shadow plank
SSF is not 100% critโฆ๐
shadow plank
Thats still not 100% so
maiden flint
solid kestrel
maybe i should have checked meter first but all ssf hits were orange on my screen
so i thought it'd be 100% crit
shadow plank
Nah
solid kestrel
and accounting for ~10 ssf hits (because i'm bad) + 5 sf
66% cr seemed like ssf would always crit..
but if it doesn't then yeah, don't mind me 
spiral dagger
i have 66% cr on some dungeons
but on tree i have like 53-57
and on lab i have like 50-53 mostly
even with 5k crit rate
and 60 lvl xD
so
spiral dagger
are u using azura dara?
solid kestrel
yea
spiral dagger
u need to check inside stats not on 'top dps overlay'
cuz our cat lower our crit rate overall
solid kestrel
ohhh right, the cat
spiral dagger
weirddddd
prime salmon
At least the crit dmg jumped tho o: if it didn't and u pitied I'd be like damn ๐ญ
ashen monolith
Yeah i would also
lament skiff
S> Legendary Sunflower
prime salmon
S> Legendary Sunflower
Why would you sell it ๐ญ
lament skiff
I need liquidityyy
dusty yarrow
Raging Lash is 2 or more cc bars?
prime salmon
Raging Lash is 2 or more cc bars?
2
hard hamlet
meow :3
prime salmon
I need liquidityyy
Some people ahem drown while we thirst ๐ญ. If only you were in NA.
lament skiff
Nobody rolling purples on NA?
prime salmon
He should have been unbanned by now. I heard he hasn't logged in since, but not sure if that's true.
solid kestrel
the longer he's waiting the more prices will drop, last time i'd have offered like 200k gems, now idk
prime salmon
Idk.. Hornet kinda slept on ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐๏ธ I wanna swap back to hornet lowkey..
solemn oar
Hornets are very good, but also kinda dies in silverfrost patch
cat build will be the new hornets 
ashen monolith
cat build will be the new hornets <:pepe_thumb:988870247169794118>
sunflower still dead?
solemn oar
sunflower will still be good, but i think there will be a lot more incentive for sf smns to be running def shred once leg becomes a bit more accessible. we'll see tho
lament skiff
Is it going to be more accessible outside KR?
ashen monolith
sunflower will still be good, but i think there will be a lot more incentive for...
is it the lootbox opening with a slim chance for lego book?
solemn oar
im just talking in general, with whatever events/droprates might make leg a bit more viable to incorporate into builds
solemn oar
I think this is what i would run book wise for cat build (disclaimer I ran no numbers). The left is more the minimum entry level books to the cat build. Right is more the ideal setup. You require 48 gm on speed strike for it to be worth running over something like hornets imo. Once you have 3 leg speed strikes you you can probably swap over to rumblebees as your main dps gm stacking since the new badge doesnt boost strike, and only does rumble/hornets/sf.
unsure about photo vs ven, as photo would give more overflow for better focus regen for more cat smacks
prime salmon
Hornets are very good, but also kinda dies in silverfrost patch
Why will hornet die in silverfrost? And what makes cat built better in that patch?
I guess my bad luck turned into good luck. All my bound books are for cat build LMAO
lament skiff
If SF can maintain def down, hornet loses an advantage over SF
solemn oar
All hornets really does is allow good uptime on def shred.
With the new changes to GM in KR, they're adding some neat cool effects to certain thresholds. The two to keep an eye on are the newly changed speed strike hammer and def reduction hammer. Def reduction hammer makes it very easy to upkeep poison, once you hit 30gm on it. An sf smn getting some leg books to hit that threshold would really only need a singular way of applying poison to upkeep 50% shred the entire time now. (Whats the most efficient way to go about it idk yet)
The speed strike now gives iframes when used on cat at 30 gm , which was the main issue with cat build before cause the dummy gets knocked around everywhere. at 48 it now applies 40% shred. The really nice benefit of cat dps/rumble smn is that it also applies bleed which can be very hard for certain classes to spec, so we get perma bleed. Cat also gets high mobility from using Doom n Bloom, which will be great for doing mechs. Hornets will essentially just be a shred build without bleed or mobility.
cat dps will lose the ability to spec besties though sadly ๐ฆ
solid kestrel
hmm i don't really see it for sf
if you use def strike it uses up all the poison?
the 48 gm only adds +1 poison if there already is poison
so you'd either need something that adds +4 poison every 8 sec for 48gm to get 5 poison stacks and have 50% def down uptime (every 16 seconds)
or if you can get 1 poison stack with a different skill you'd only have 1 def down every 40 sec (5x8s)
strike speed looks good though but we don't know the dps of it yet
also hornet would get 50% def reduction while bees is only 40%?
lament skiff
The poison line on def down is a separate line
I presume that means it doesn't require 5 stacks of poison to work
solemn oar
it might be bad translation, but I read 30 gm def reduction as refreshing the timer on your poison akin to venomous rosethorn, im just not really sure what the 48 actually does. Specing purp venom though could potentially smooth it all out for sunflower
maiden flint
yeah the way i read it, u only need to hit 5 poison once, and then hammer does the job at 30gm
solid kestrel
i see owo that would make sense too
solemn oar
but yeah sunflower/hornets would be able to get the 50% shred vs the 40% on cat. Youd be sacrificing 10% shred for the utility on cat
lament skiff
solemn oar
i just dont see why anyone would run hornets over sf or cat though
keep in mind we also get the change where the first book will also be counting towards gm stacks
solid kestrel
if you can somehow get that many leg books yeah
maiden flint
well maybe they'll do something to hornet too, they change stuff every week and do skill balances in batches
but since honey it's been sad
solemn oar
honey doesnt even do anything for cat right now D:
maiden flint
cat has "target"
solemn oar
there could definitely be some changes though that alter all of it
solid kestrel
but since honey it's been sad
are you trying to say that sun is much better than hornet at the moment or what do you mean by sad?
maiden flint
i mean honey is a significant change for sunflower, but for hornet its meh
solid kestrel
hmm yeah not much dps increase for hornet with honey buff, but we're still better in dungeons at the moment
solemn oar
greedy sunflower summoners 
prime salmon
Idk, I'm personally leaning towards hornet atm. I'm currently sunflower and do a lot of dps, but it's kinda aids having to defense down. When I'm playing hornet on tree I feel like im on ez mode lol
solemn oar
the current sunflower hybrid build for shred is pretty miserable to play
prime salmon
Given, the people I run with don't care about my dps on hornet bc I have a lot of cc, utility, and do all the mechs so they focus purely on dps
prime salmon
the current sunflower hybrid build for shred is pretty miserable to play
It is. That's why I wanted to switch but some ppl requested I stay sf ๐
prime salmon
Right now I'm making second gear set for sunflower
Rich..
solid kestrel
nono you and waffle should both swap to hornet so i can be wb 1 
maiden flint
who needs good stats, just a spare accesory
solemn oar
personally i think the defense shred is going to scale insanely well into all future content. Smn builds that wont be speccing it are trolling
prime salmon
Honestly, I might even switch to rumblebees build once silverfrost comes out since I basically have all the bound books required for it lol
Just to test it out
solemn oar
yeah im probably gonna go rumble cause it just seems fun to play honestly
prime salmon
who needs good stats, just a spare accesory
R u NA or EU?
maiden flint
eu for smn
prime salmon
๐ญ sadge
prime salmon
personally i think the defense shred is going to scale insanely well into all fu...
Ye, later dungeons basically need it since they have omega defense
solid kestrel
everyone is playing on eu, why am i on na 
maiden flint
that's why i made smn in eu, i have a bd in na lol
prime salmon
Ur from EU too ๐ญ
solemn oar
Speed strike translation doesnt have a time listed on the debuff. Wonder if it's permanent
or even stacks on itself 
get 100% def reduction
prime salmon
My friend who keeps getting rumblebees said he won't swap to it even if it becomes Meta ๐๐
solid kestrel
don't i have a bound purple bees book somewhere too...
but i'd i'd all the other books
solemn oar
cat allows us to spec tumble roll too 
solemn oar
smn isnt the kindest class towards higher ping for any spec tbh
solid kestrel
sunflower with higher latency seemed fine so far
solemn oar
maybe rumble/cat is the best since rumble just ticks on its own, idk how fast speed hammer actually goes, and when you would start losing counts
ashen monolith
the current sunflower hybrid build for shred is pretty miserable to play
Tried, suffered, regretted
ashen monolith
maybe rumble/cat is the best since rumble just ticks on its own, idk how fast sp...
Close to hornet nest cast speed
Maybe even more with good ping
solemn oar
Tried, suffered, regretted
same. i wasted my first purp select on psf cause i wanted to do the hybrid build, and regretted it
now im back to hornets with a useless bound sf ๐ฆ
ashen monolith
same. i wasted my first purp select on psf cause i wanted to do the hybrid build...
talk about useless
rigid delta
Nobody rolling purples on NA?
Summoners on na aren't really whale
If anything it's the hornet summoners swiping
lament skiff
I got a bound rumble from the 58 box lol
solid kestrel
If anything it's the hornet summoners swiping
why are you calling me out like that
there aren't many sum whales on na at least :/ market is always kind of empty
rigid delta
why are you calling me out like that <a:sweating:852729558218178580>
It is true
hornets summoners going hard
rigid delta
there aren't many sum whales on na at least :/ market is always kind of empty
Ye, no one making books
rigid delta
Or does the NA pop not have enough ppl running that
I just do daily
that dungeon is not worth the farm
lament skiff
Same
rigid delta
how many gems would it take to get a legendary
like 200k?
assuming 2000 per purple
lament skiff
I got my first on transmute attempt #2...
lament skiff
Sensible tbh
rigid delta
damn thats a crazy number
lament skiff
I did not learn my lesson until transmute #50
rigid delta
I wanna mess with flower for beluga
but that doesnt sound worth it
I guess a cheaper alt would be to buy a bad legendary off of someone for like 120k and reroll yourself?
dusty yarrow
the 48 gm only adds +1 poison if there already is poison
u don't need 5 stack
1 stack can do 50% def reduction
solid kestrel
oh wow that sounds so op
solid kestrel
I guess a cheaper alt would be to buy a bad legendary off of someone for like 12...
the 3 day hold is so bad though i don't want to keep 120k+ gems on me all the time xd
rigid delta
I dont spend money on the game
rigid delta
Was just a thought if it was a reasonable price
solid kestrel
makes sense but at that point you gamble your gold sells before the book is gone
and you may take a 8% loss for no reason
dusty yarrow
u don't need 5 stack
1 stack can do 50% def reduction
I asked a friend to translate it for me and I was able to confirm that.
sucks google translate
dusty yarrow
I wonder if the duration will stack
the duration would only be accumulated if the line was the same, without changing anything
dusty yarrow
18 gm: +10%
30gm: +10 sec and refresh poison
48gm: consume only 1 stack of poison
dusty yarrow
I wonder if the duration will stack
if you were to add all duration:
10 base + 10 of 18 gm + 20 of 30gm + 20 of 48gm = 60 sec
dont make sense
dusty yarrow
48gm is great for sunflower build
only 1 lmb + c
and back to rmb spam
basically they took away what would make the hornet useful
lament skiff
I'm hoping CC will be possible
lament skiff
At 48, C will apply 1 stack of poison
dusty yarrow
At 48, C will apply 1 stack of poison
no man
you didn't understand
It will be possible to break the defense with just 1 stack, instead of 5
that's what changed
lament skiff
This is what I copied from yesterday
์์ฐ๋
๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ 20์ด๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ด๋ ฅ 50% ๊ฐ์
์์ฐ๋
1์ค์ฒฉ
When used on a natural poison target, defense is reduced by 50% for 20 seconds.
1 stack of natural poison
yes and that is open to interpretation, that's why I went to ask a Korean directly
and he explained to me what I just told you
lament skiff
Okay
ashen monolith
This is what I copied from yesterday
```
์์ฐ๋
๋์์๊ฒ ์ฌ์ฉ ์ 20์ด๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์ด๋ ฅ 50% ๊ฐ์
์์ฐ๋
1์ค์ฒฉ
W...
So aside from def shred, it also stack poison
Good to know
lament skiff
We'll know for sure in a couple of months, provided the game lasts that long
ashen monolith
I made my money back alr so I'm ready to chargeback anytime soon
lament skiff
Is there a limit to that in NA?
ashen monolith
Is there a limit to that in NA?
Depend on the bank
dusty yarrow
Sunflower seems bugged
all good here <- Hornet player kek
placid barn
anyone try using Tumble roll for the Photosynthesis stacks, and the honey buff?
gusty kiln
Yeah itโs trash for flower. The animation is slow, you canโt cancel it, you only get the honey if you manage to actually get hit during it, and youโre not hitting flowers while youโre rolling. All in all itโs just a dps loss, and also an uptime loss because youโll lose crouching tiger defense
Might be usable on bees though. Youโd be spamming hammer or clawnado and donโt need cat q
placid barn
thats unfortunate
rigid delta
anyone try using Tumble roll for the Photosynthesis stacks, and the honey buff?
main reason is you replace cat Q
if flower
white remnant
wts Summoner > cheap blue book at market place (moonwater)
ashen grove
paper trench
who is selling it
proud field
who is selling it
Someone that wants to play Sunflower.
proud field
Did they do something to sunflower players? Cause it seems I'm losing focus like mad.
proud field
So you're saying that "3" takes more focus than it gives?
dusty yarrow
who is selling it
eu?
sweet crag
IM LOGGING IN TO BUY
Itโs always EU, eu summoner got that legendary luck
true stirrup
Itโs always EU, eu summoner got that legendary luck
i had the gems to buy it
but its not here
theres nothing here for me
proud field
Send those gems to me. I'll "get it for you".
sweet crag
paper trench
IM LOGGING IN TO BUY
150k is waaay to much xdd
proud field
150k is waaay to much xdd
Someone mentioned 200k a while ago, so 150k is like "low". ๐
proud field
In monopoly money. That's like cripto liquidity. Non-existent with some coins. ๐
true stirrup
In monopoly money. That's like cripto liquidity. Non-existent with some coins. ๏ฟฝ...
i dont know what crypto you are buying for it to be that non-liquid lol most of them are quite easy
proud field
i dont know what crypto you are buying for it to be that non-liquid lol most of ...
It was an example. I don't dable in cripto.
steel python
Lethe you gotta check people's flairs for their locations before getting excited 
strange finch
theres nothing here for me
dw i bought it for u
paper trench
dw i bought it for u
congrats ๐
strange finch
thanks
paper trench
do you remember your dps before / after?
paper trench
nice
paper trench
i was worried about focus before, cause if u can perma spam now its obviously a litte bit harder
steel python
strange finch
and i got downtime cause im doin mechs, soloing flower etc
steel python
That's larger gain than I thought
strange finch
macro is fcked
the skill changed animation and i think i might have to make adjustments
steel python
proud field
Must be nice to trt while sunflower is manuela.
steel python
What's your original macro? TRT 1ms?
strange finch
proud field
4 in the macro?
proud field
damn.
proud field
If focus wouldn't get sucked to the ground on sunflower, I'd macro it.
true stirrup
i was around 22-24k now im at 30-32k
With the legendary hornets????
on tree?
only 30-32k?
??
shadow plank
EU Selling All my gear on ยซ KlaD ยป Pm ๐
true stirrup
i am missing 3 trues
thats like what i hit with purple hornets though
i was also missing true belt, gloves and necklace.
I finished my necklace and belt today, but parses were from before that
wouldnt make much different
it really doesn't add that much damage then?
im missing 6 hornets books still
strange finch
i told u, i went from 24k to 32k by just adding the book
ashen monolith
Did they do something to sunflower players? Cause it seems I'm losing focus like...
Last week was the cat. Now sunflower. I'm malding rn
proud field
Last week was the cat. Now sunflower. I'm malding rn
So, I'm not just bad then.
๐
true stirrup
i told u, i went from 24k to 32k by just adding the book
Are you running petal toss, what's your damage % breakdown for hornets?
you would have gained more if you aren't getting the damage from petal toss and kabloom
strange finch
my ping aint helping but yeah, 40-45ms
u did way more hits than me on that graph
but my fight was also a min shorter than yours
solid kestrel
only 30-32k?
that's what i'm wondering too owo i do 30-32k with purple hornet but we all know i whale
what's your gear like?@strange finch
strange finch
strange finch
more like 115 AP difference
solid kestrel
hmm the gear increase actually didn't do that much for me
i did 29-30k even a month ago before all the gear and lvl upgrades
strange finch
115 ap is huge :3
prime salmon
i do 15k on tree owo
solid kestrel
lies owo you're #2 sum just behind waffle
prime salmon
LMAOOOOO
strange finch
im not sure then, maybe im just bad
prime salmon
im #3, ur #2, waffle #1
strange finch
solid kestrel
nonono i'm just 3
solid kestrel
i'd guess your latency does around 5%?
i'd lose 10-15% dps at 100ms
hmm fav number... maybe i'll fall to #8 one day 
strange finch
i play in 40-45ms
solid kestrel
i am at 2-5ms
solid kestrel
i'd hoped the insta cast of leg hornt would alleviate ping a bit
strange finch
imagine having 115 more ap and 40 less ms
solid kestrel
but i guess not? :/
strange finch
solid kestrel
i really dont know about the ap though
as you can see in the screenshot my best log atm is like 33k
a month ago i did 30k with so much less gear owo
strange finch
everytime i get ap upgrades i see dps difference
prime salmon
tbh, when i went from true siren to true hexwood i think i had a 4-5k dps increase
solid kestrel
i barely noticed an increase in dps at tree for me
but in all other older dungeons i hit so much harder
i did 38k at mujin today, that used to be like 26k?
true stirrup
im closer to you, i had 1107 AP for my parse, 4900 crit rate, 3400 crit damage
true stirrup
that's what i'm wondering too owo i do 30-32k with purple hornet but we all know...
im f2p this is my summoner alt
kekw
prime salmon
gamba leg sf ๐
prime salmon
prime salmon
ye i started limited my spending lol
solid kestrel
but uh back to topic
it's really weird for me, i barely gained dps in HE despite big gains owo
well, barely as in 1-3k dps?
@strange finch do you happen to have exitlag? mind changing servers for higher latency to test how much you lose with leg hornet and like 50, 100, 150ms? 
solid kestrel
pls
or even just the diff between your current ping and any other number >100 would be fine
hard hamlet
meow :3
solid kestrel
lament skiff
I'm gonna get pushed out of the rankings
spiral dagger
Sorry
spiral dagger
Iโm support
lament skiff
Maybe I am bad at summoner
spiral dagger
I donโt think so
solid kestrel
4:02 kill time means the last minute or so you got double hits
but 58k is still crazy dps
spiral dagger
We were doing this with 5 cuz my clan doesnโt want to share drop with randoms
solid kestrel
so greedy
i only did it once as 4 because we thought you could choose between 4/6
5 means same req as before but 6 is faster
and faster is more relaxing 
lament skiff
Maybe I should run def down...
spiral dagger
Idk why sf summoners doesnโt like it tbh
I can keep poison and def redu with smothering paw + prickly and lmb and still doing good dmg
true stirrup
4:02 kill time means the last minute or so you got double hits
but 58k is still ...
There's always the other meter that doesn't get the double hit issue and also counts drain ๐
spiral dagger
Yeah, also there was super duper rage buff before Iโm glad they fix that and ppl canโt use it anymore
maiden flint
where even is the link for yast meter, didnt see on website, and does it work the same reading combat chat or fishy stuff
spiral dagger
Shhh donโt talk about third party stuff dude
spiral dagger
Thatโs why I got warning and someone deleted my Dps meter screen
You are right
proud field
Thatโs why I got warning and someone deleted my Dps meter screen
Can you stream with it?
steel python
spiral dagger
No
maiden flint
that's weird
spiral dagger
Iโm not using Dps meter on stream
steel python
I wouldn't suggest using it on stream if you're going for content creator
maiden flint
it's never been an issue in BD chat, and BM chat is the darkest pit of hell
spiral dagger
Probably I will never be but still no point to share it on stream
Iโm too small streamer :/
steel python
Also BM chat is moderated by the same bot
I remember someone getting accused of xml/gcd etc and it getting deleted
lament skiff
WTS [2;35mHeroic Skill Book [Sunflower][0m
If you post a picture of the ingame meter, does the same warning occur ๐ค
spiral dagger
I think so
proud field
If you post a picture of the ingame meter, does the same warning occur ๐ค
It's technically not part of the game, so it kinda makes sense.
prime salmon
@rigid delta why did u make a viridian coast character ๐ญ
rigid delta
<@55055736849301504> why did u make a viridian coast character ๐ญ
what dodo said
im too deep now
ashen monolith
WTS NA including books
lament skiff
Soon there will be only dozens of us
chrome epoch
smart choice
they dont give us good events like kr
i saw that streaming girl having like 30 purple card chests 7 legy card chests and a legy skill box casual in her storage box
meanwhile beeing full iced out legy skills on main and lots legys on alt xD
i mean what is this...xD
chrome epoch
good that we get one for attendance
lament skiff
Maybe we're playing on the wrong version of the game?
proud field
Maybe we're playing on the wrong version of the game?
Location location.
hard hamlet
meow :3
white spade
hello guy, what is Focus damage ?
lament skiff
The equivalent of mana/mp. Light blue balls on your UI near HP
amber briar
WTS PM EU
lament skiff
hello guy, what is Focus damage ?
Sorry I forgot to complete this thought. Focus damage reduces the amount of focus of the target. The idea is to prevent them from using skills that use focus.
white spade
Sorry I forgot to complete this thought. Focus damage reduces the amount of focu...
is this skill for PVP right,bro?
lament skiff
As far as I know. NPCs dont really have focus to damage
proud field
is this skill for PVP right,bro?
The only issue with that is that you also want focus so it's not as great in pvp. In this case in BGs. Cause while you pin you want the focus regeneration one so you can damage.
bleak wadi
pretty much
huh??? ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
spiral dagger
The only issue with that is that you also want focus so it's not as great in pvp...
what is wrong with this? focus dmg took 6 focus orbs from enemy but u still have focus regen on hit (on purple skill)
solemn oar
All purple cat grab generate focus, so the focus damage one is just for draining your target, its actually a very nice skill.
spiral dagger
exactly
proud field
what is wrong with this? focus dmg took 6 focus orbs from enemy but u still have...
Hm .. that's an idea. I just noticed on myself how I run out of focus, so I focus on not running out. ๐
bleak wadi
All purple cat grab generate focus, so the focus damage one is just for draining...
is it focus recovery for you only? or party members too
solemn oar
anyone who attacks the pinned target during the grab gets focus
its very useful in pvp, and certain classes benefit massively from it during dungeons.
proud field
Would we have enough damage in Bgs for example, if we'd have more utility skills and not just hornet/sunflower stacks?
solemn oar
im personally not much of a pvper, but it would come down to how you wanna build/your own playstyle. If you want to go more utility focused and have a bunch of cc's and just be generally annoying or focus more on damage, or somewhere in the middle. All are fine for the most part. Play what you find fun 
proud field
I like having cc's and dmg at the same time.
I wouldn't want to compromise one or another.
When you bait that tab, then pin and dmg, pure enjoyment.
But, if you do not bait that tab, and you run out of ccs cause you focus on just stacks, then it kinda blows.
lament skiff
That is the clutchiest of kills
WTS [2;35mHeroic Skill Book [Sunflower][0m
rigid delta
Would we have enough damage in Bgs for example, if we'd have more utility skills...
you pretty much give up every skill to be able to pvp on summoner
your damage is pretty bad outside of pinned targets
proud field
you pretty much give up every skill to be able to pvp on summoner
You're saying you have to give up ccs?
solid kestrel
your damage is pretty bad outside of pinned targets
i'm always top dps in pvp
but that doesn't really do much in beluga where objectives are what you want to do
rigid delta
You're saying you have to give up ccs?
No
You switch out all of your pve skills to pvp if you wanna be useful
I basically have a full set of other accessories for pvp
And depending on your elo youre just gonna get games where teams are basically 4-5 sins
So running bees is just asking to get the horn stolen
And stopping a horn cap isn't gonna happen
true stirrup
@rigid delta is @ redicecream, icecream from our server
rigid delta
<@55055736849301504> is @ redicecream, icecream from our server
Yeah
steel python
wtb daybreak and hornets nest NA 
prime salmon
WTB hornet for 3k ty
broken umbra
WTB NA Purple Daybreak & Smothering Paw
ashen monolith
bambo got Lab done lmao
keen garden
bambo got Lab done lmao
Time ๐
lament skiff
The 2 green books are gonna make a world of difference
lol my first clear took around 4 hours so
vestal sage
WTS NA - 2699 on market
rigid delta
wtb daybreak and hornets nest NA <a:alowo:1166912482372239470>
how much you selling that daybreak for
steel python
how much you selling that daybreak for
Am buying 
I've turned into focus support for the BMs
And I need it for my MSP sunflower setup
steel python
proud field
So running bees is just asking to get the horn stolen
That's why 2 daze is good for. And E is also good, I think it gets the sin out or at least it should.
hard hamlet
meow :3
proud field
did the nerf sf? always fokus prob ....
I've noticed since 2 days ago that there is a focus problem.
spiral dagger
Less crit = focus problems
proud field
Less crit = focus problems
Which one?
lament skiff
Anyone having issues with their F7 listings getting stuck
spiral dagger
Anyone having issues with their F7 listings getting stuck
Chat problems :/
spiral dagger
Which one?
Look at super sunflower - crit gives u focus, when u donโt crit u have problem with focus.
Also sometimes overflow is bugged I guess same with catQ
proud field
Look at super sunflower - crit gives u focus, when u donโt crit u have problem w...
Alright, and could you tell me which crit out of the two is more important?
proud field
One has to be better than the other in terms of importance.
proud field
Yes it is. Reading it now again, Rate is the rate at what your crit is going to be popped. damage is the overall damage you're going to crit at. So rate is more important as a primary stat.
That's why the Primers are all rate.
spiral dagger
XD ok
In bns always crit rate was easier to get
But with 5,5k crit rate and 1.5k crit dmg, your dmg will be low af.
proud field
If you have low rate and high damage, you'll never have the oportunity to damage cause it will never crit.
proud field
Yes it is. Reading it now again, Rate is the rate at what your crit is going to ...
So this applies.
spiral dagger
Thatโs why I said
Aim for 3/3 both then upgrade it to 4/4
proud field
Thatโs why I said
Aim for 3/3 both then upgrade it to 4/4
I'm not sure what 3/3 and 4/4 means.
spiral dagger
I have 4.8k crit rate atm and 4.3k crit dmg
And still have focus issues on purples
Especially feel that on tree/lab
3k crit rate / 3k crit dmg
4K cr / 4K cd
proud field
I see, that's easier to understand.
lament skiff
What the summoner options for green flower @ exile
halcyon bronze
So with my 6 purple books of hornet ๐ nest, and I still do less dmg than 1 sunflower bookโฆ. Is it the skill issue? ๐
Or is it the game balancing problems? Because clearly I can see on my skill K. Hornet nest can inflict 10k dmg, and sunflower can only inflict 5k ๐
lament skiff
That number might be taking into account your gm level
proud field
I noticed that some Hornet users will do less dps than I do as a sunflower user.
Even higher stat players with Hornet did less dps on single target bosses.
fallow bear
so sf ? do less dmg as a hornert ?
proud field
so sf ? do less dmg as a hornert ?
From my experience it does more. Unless the Hornet users I encountered were just laggy players.
fallow bear
got hornet the same focus issues like sf? with hornet buff?
proud field
I believe Hornet has no focus issues since it can be spammed. (I just heard about it, I'm using sunflower)
fallow bear
i too, but one question. is this only a bug? or the changed silence ?
proud field
I think they might have changed something in silence, cause I noticed a focus issue 2 days ago, and the recovery is not the same even today. (my stats have went up since 2 days ago, so I'm not sure if it's a me problem)
fallow bear
well so im not allone :/
solid kestrel
hornet is less personal dps than sunflower yeah
but you get def down for the party
also hornet is very ping dependent
minor sun
That's why I switched to sf 
I miss the bee noises sometimes
solid kestrel
That's why I switched to sf <a:nekotears:941758027164418128> I miss the bee nois...
i want to switch too but i'm too far in maybe 
proud field
I wanna switch to bees too, but I am already to far into the sunflower ecosystem.
solid kestrel
why would you want to switch away from sun to hornet?
proud field
I always liked bees, and I wouldn't have focus issues.
solid kestrel
it's hornet, not bees uwu
proud field
Yes yes, it's the same thing.
solid kestrel
what is your ping like?
proud field
It's the Live bees.
solid kestrel
bees is something different o:
proud field
21-25.
halcyon bronze
My 6 purple books hornet can only deal 14k in highlandโฆ and 1 purple book of sunflower with little bit higher gears can do 30k lol
And I have 40-60 ms
proud field
And I have 40-60 ms
solid kestrel
yeah at like 25ms hornet is comfy to play
~50ms you probably lose around 5% dps
which can be quite a lot
proud field
I know I can play bees, but it will be a hassle to change now.
solid kestrel
but 6 hornet 14k dps compared to 1 sunflower 30k sounds wrong to me
if it's the same gear
proud field
You might lose cause of ms, or just cause it was ninja nerfed. Who knows.
solid kestrel
hornet wasn't ninja nerfed owo
halcyon bronze
if it's the same gear
Same gears, but to compare, slightly 900 more crit dmg. And do double dmg with only 1 sf ๐ฎโ๐จ with 12-18 stacks. I have 36 stacks of hornet lol
Itโs not only with summoner, itโs other the class as well. Hopefully the number will change in the next patch
halcyon bronze
Your eastern time?
Iโm in US central, and friends on western time California play with 60-120 ms
proud field
Your eastern time?
I'm not sure, check where Belgium is. (Europe of course)
halcyon bronze
I'm not sure, check where Belgium is. (Europe of course)
Ok! EU nvm lol
proud field
I'm not gonna deal with US internet. As far as I know it blows (kinda).
halcyon bronze
Weโre trying to catch up man! 1 GB upload/download now lol
proud field
I mean, your internet might be cheaper, while here it's expensive, but quality over quantity.
maiden flint
My 6 purple books hornet can only deal 14k in highlandโฆ and 1 purple book of sun...
Uhm, I just did highland yesterday 900 AP 3800 crit 2600 cdmg 14gm hornet lvl 55, and my thingy said 14-15k DPS, with 200ms too
Didn't confirm with others tho but wouldn't doubt it much
Btw did anyone here have access to KR client
time to test sneaky
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/708837580896206870/1390842802727948358/image.png?ex=686a638c&is=6869120c&hm=5603d739b614189f488e2b441ed0ed7b73485eabf7aa2bcdeb0107548099b37c& press link for cookies nothing sus here
solid kestrel
200ms is killing your dps on hornet
maiden flint
Ofc
proud field
200ms is killing your dps on hornet
It would do that on sunflower regardless.
solid kestrel
no it's not as bad on sun
only hornet really suffers from latency
you have 1.45 casts per second, a good amount would be 1.9+
proud field
In a perfect world I'd have two accesorie sets.
maiden flint
I'm trying blue suns for MSP and its bad when popping honey, like it ends up so slow cuz it seems to think it's out of overflow then back again
Auto gcd being dum as per usual
solid kestrel
yeah focus regen and buff times are a bit weird
but you still get 12 ssf in a normal window
maiden flint
I'll try that later, didn't consider when I tested builds and chose hornet
maiden flint
you have 1.45 casts per second, a good amount would be 1.9+
Where do u get 1.45
maiden flint
Isn't it /4 now, cuz accuracy and hp scale
solid kestrel
hmm you might be right, i don't really remember
but even if you just take the values, your run was 674 hornets / 232 sec = 2.9 casts per sec
a random cs i just did: 815 casts in 204 sec = 3.99 casts per sec (at 2ms)
you lose around 25% of your (hornet) dps just because of latency
maiden flint
Yeah I'm used to it, started lightning bd with 160ms, struggled to hit 2/s, ppl doing 4/s
solid kestrel
vestal sage
WTS NA - 2.5k on market
spiral dagger
How ppl can like hornets on neo
Itโs clunky af
Compare to live it is terrible..
I was playing hornets for like 2 weeks cuz I was bored
With 30 GM I was doing less dmg than my 10 GM sf
And back to sunflower after skill patch cuz hornets get nothing - this honey buff gives u almost nothing compare to sf
knotty rampart
WTS EU SUM
solid kestrel
How ppl can like hornets on neo
i never played retail so... hornet is just like that for me
rigid delta
That's a blessing
You could say the same about sunflower though
So awful to play on neo
Neo summoner might as well be another job
steel python
How ppl can like hornets on neo
I hold macro and turn brain off
fallow bear
Since daybrake purpel im fine with Focus
spiral dagger
You could say the same about sunflower though
yes, i could but alteast im doing dmg ;/
elfin bear
WTB Heroic Daybreak NA ๐
rigid delta
yes, i could but alteast im doing dmg ;/
I wonder how bees summoners are doing on monarch
spiral dagger
solid kestrel
bees or hornets ya'll keep saying the same thing
as a whale i can say: getting 1% is no problem
spiral dagger
ok
solid kestrel
purple sun really isn't that much more dps than hornet if your latency is good owo
steel python
I don't use petal storm toss
steel python
I run with too many focus starved people 
My damage is a rounding error usually
see i do no dmg
ashen monolith
Crazy
rigid delta
that boss has that damage increase on him as well lol
chrome epoch
purple sun really isn't that much more dps than hornet if your latency is good o...
Why u lie
maiden flint
i've seen hornets for 7000 gems in EU recently lol
chrome epoch
what's your dps in HE nowadays without another sum in party?
40k
solid kestrel
without anyone else? 
chrome epoch
With someone its 45k+
solid kestrel
what's your gear looking like nowadays
that is so much more dps than any other sum on my server
solid kestrel
that's nothing special owo
chrome epoch
that's nothing special owo
Eww with good stats
Will slide your dms when at PC
๐
solid kestrel
owob