Summoner

[rigid delta]

I know some people banned still

[tawdry orbit]

wts Eu

[gusty kiln]

I don’t know if he has even attempted to log in since then

Man is real busy with irl stuffs

[paper trench]

Eu WTB 3x purple hornet pm me your offer

[spiral dagger]

[fallow bear]

eu wtb for doom and gloom but cheap pls

[chrome epoch]

how is it going

[knotty rampart]

was away so didn't look further, but if it ends up with no one paying more than 25k i will be keeping them

[chrome epoch]

[knotty rampart]

in fact if anyone selling at 25k i will consider buying instead

[empty portal]

🐣

[true stirrup]

okay whoever keeps listing these at 18k

lets have a talk

[steel python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/944709788569309214/1036807259432419428/ezgif-1-08faf47e98.gif

[proud field]

Probably the ones at the last 2 dungeons I would assume.

[ashen monolith]

WTS NA

[chrome epoch]

WTB Purple Sunflower EU

[rose juniper]

someone with too much gold on hand.

[chrome epoch]

When i see some prices in market iam always like...wow they most be so rich of gold that they dont even care

But laters i see ppl cry because they have no gold...ye maybe dont waste it and out your stuff cheaper....

[ashen monolith]

wts

or this

[proud field]

How are you guys equipped in Bgs? (Items/buffs/skills)

[spiral dagger]

wts purple hornet 15k eu

[chrome epoch]

same as anywhere else

[proud field]

Are you able to give examples?

[chrome epoch]

just the same gear u always wear

xD

[proud field]

Based on how Neo is set up, it's not the same.

[chrome epoch]

Bgs no one cares anyway, so why would u want to waste stuff into special Bgs gear xD

[proud field]

Cause I like Bgs.

[spiral dagger]

i like bg too but waiting 35m for 1 match is cool 🙂

[proud field]

As soon as I escape bronze I'll join you. But when bronze pepos are let's say inexperienced, well it'll take a minute.

[dusty yarrow]

has anyone used it?

[wise pelican]

no have effect , still bug

[dusty yarrow]

still?? lol

[tawdry orbit]

so a this skill get nothing? wth

[solemn oar]

dont worry it should be fixed soon!!

[tawdry orbit]

ah

sure

[spiral dagger]

🔜

XD

but hmm

[tawdry orbit]

y its why i ask

what they must to fix?

cos it works

[spiral dagger]

with buff my cat still has 853 ap

[tawdry orbit]

its badly effect but still

xD

[spiral dagger]

so yes, it is not working

[tawdry orbit]

Clownado\Hammer time boiz

😄

[spiral dagger]

my cat should have 1,1k ap

with buff

when u use it, my cat still has the same 853 ap

so it is not working xD

[tawdry orbit]

ah

oke

[tawdry orbit]

but realy, who need to use it? I have no idea

(when its start working)

[spiral dagger]

im using this on pvp xD i did my new annoying setup

and ppl will hate me so much

[tawdry orbit]

sure...

[spiral dagger]

i have like 912731923721837 cc + im unkillable

xD

the thing is i can';t kill anyone too

but w/e i like to be annoying sum

[deep marsh]

Maybe it does something completely different than it says

[spiral dagger]

i can't see any differences in stats ;[

[deep marsh]

kr patchnote 26.03 warlock patch

maybe it just works with skills? or on a target affected by the "target" debuff

and the "target" debuff doesn't work, so the cheer up would never work

they added the text "Summoned Ally uses automatically." so maybe this doesn't work with that?
but i dont test it anymore, slotted it 2 times, both times it was bugged/doesn't work, don't want to waste more gold

[deep marsh]

you could use it with hornet, that was my plan

[dusty yarrow]

cat build

[solemn oar]

The target thing comes from rumblebees, so cheer up is more intended for the rumblebee/clawnado(or speed strike) build. They buffed a bunch of stuff to try and make the build more viable, but cat is still just dumb so the build is a bit goofy. Id be really interested interested in seeing someone actually run the rumble build though

[dusty yarrow]

maybe buff the strike dmg

like adalaea say

[solemn oar]

Not aware of any smns actually running rumblebees sadly. It sounds like a fun build on paper but reliance on cat having to dps will always hold the build back. We need more tools to protect and control cat for it to be viable at least in my opinion. But I would absolutely love for someone to lab out rumblebees and clawnado and pull good numbers to prove me wrong 🙂

One nice + of rumblebees is that you get 100% bleed uptime which is sorely lacking across classes in game right now, and if you do clawnado instead of speed strike you can still spec shred as well

[chrome epoch]

LETS GOO

[ashen monolith]

no buyer

[true stirrup]

WTB legendary strike defense reduction, PMO, my starting offer is 120k

[steel python]

^ NA

[spiral dagger]

Huge

On EU it was cheaper

[spiral dagger]

Gzzz

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911705413160943616/1364258642957701312/image0.gif

[ashen monolith]

WTB Sunflower NA, PMO<

[drowsy fox]

5k i can buy it lmao

[ashen monolith]

already sold it

[leaden lance]

wtb drain summoner NA

[chrome epoch]

[pastel jetty]

can anyone tell me pros and cons of hornet nest and sunflower?

[chrome epoch]

hornet go macro

sunflower hard to play but more dps

• u dont hit ppl in pvp

[uncut fable]

+ easy to play
+ cheap(er)
+ has high or perma uptime of defense hammer
+ has high or perma uptime of poison
+ can play a lot of utility
+ sunflower summoners like you a lot
+ other players also enjoy your presence
? has to use macro
- less dps on an already low dps class

# sunflower
+ dps
- expensive
- beneficial to get rid of utility for dps
- focus starved```

[spiral dagger]

u forgot to add, it is low dps class unless u have rage buff

[solid kestrel]

all you have to do is swipe even more than anyone else

[spiral dagger]

or use special technique called "my secret"

[solid kestrel]

i'm not in on that tech what is it about?

[spiral dagger]

idk, someday kawaii will explain i hope

[chrome epoch]

they just better

😛

[proud field]

I kinda wanted to play 🐝 but then everyone said go sunflower cause pve is life. So I'm now in sunflower and in BGs it kinda works too. (Even though in a perfect world I'd play beez and have different utility skills)

[solid kestrel]

bees as in bees or do you mean hornet?

[steel python]

You're almost to the point where you can reroll your xp gear

[spiral dagger]

i wont do that ;/

4,5k piercing looks cool btw

[proud field]

Bees as in Hornet yes.

[rigid delta]

Lmfao

Ultimate counter

Take 1 step to the left or right

[rigid delta]

Bg sunflower is way better

[chrome epoch]

xD

[rigid delta]

On live it used to be bees for 6v6 but with how slow they come out on neo i don't reccomend it

[chrome epoch]

ok hit ppl on higher ground

🙂

[rigid delta]

That's cats job

If it's not stuck behind the wall

[chrome epoch]

🤡

[rigid delta]

Fighting on the bridge should be avoided if you can

None of your ccs with hit except cat

[solemn oar]

might be worth just keeping xp affixes for silverfrost content in the future, a lotta powder to roll it to something useful, than back to it when we get the "uncapped" levels

[rigid delta]

Yeah i would not take off xp gear

Took like 3000 powders just to get 280

And they're gonna raise level cap again

[solemn oar]

accessory affixes are pretty small anyway

[rigid delta]

And there's gonna be a boss it won't do anything to as well

[solemn oar]

lotta work for 0.4% damage

[rigid delta]

Unless you roll for it

[solemn oar]

yeah relevant types are gonna just keep changing with future content, its kindve a dumb system tbh

[rigid delta]

Debuff resistance stacking would probably be better if you wanted something not xp

Since summoner doesnt have that many frames assuming day break

[solemn oar]

not a terrible idea tbh, but the lack of consistency would still bother me with that

remove debuff resistance and accuracy

[chrome epoch]

it didnt sell for 12k for few days

lets put it back to 15k

[lament skiff]

lol saw that too

[chrome epoch]

HAHAHA

ppl really got too much gold

[rigid delta]

I bought mine for 6k on na

They're so rare over here

I've only seen 2 up

[fiery cape]

wts NA

[fiery cape]

mine sold 9250 2 days go

[proud field]

I guess for now, cause I'm pretty new to Neo. However I still think Hornet will be better in BGs. At least it was always my style on Live. In the future I will have to have a second set for BGs, to have more ccs.

[dusty yarrow]

new legendary skills in KR patch with silverfrost

SUM: Bestie / Cheer up!

https://tenor.com/view/kowalsky-do-it-let's-do-it-plan-gif-12872865174534645045

[lament skiff]

What's it do

[strange finch]

i sold mine for 15k too, someone else said the same

i guess if people want it they pay, its not like there's competition xD

also hornet summoners deserve some love

[chrome epoch]

oh i didnt know we got that many unpatient rich dumb ppl here

[strange finch]

i paid 15k for mine, after seeing it in the market

i basically never saw it since it got dropped

was stalking the market to buy it

then i bought it for 15k

and 5min later i transmute purple book and dropped it

lost the gems in fees at least

[chrome epoch]

yikes

[mighty radish]

so time to delete and start over with warlock?

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[barren drum]

https://tenor.com/view/shyboy-cat-blade-and-soul-gif-6005973304861217373

[steel python]

I heard warlock lower tier than summ

Idk if true though

[chrome epoch]

without buffs

whats does wl even do

[proud field]

Aoe dps, mass root, massive damage.

[spiral dagger]

massive dmg?

xd

[dusty yarrow]

How come you don't get stuck in the green flower?

[spiral dagger]

i think wl isn't too popular in kr, it means something
also he will be mooooooore expensive on EU than KR

[spiral dagger]

what?

[dusty yarrow]

tree dg

I was watching your live stream.

[spiral dagger]

i got stuck but when pizza hit u are released

my bms always using hmb for that to not let me die

or if i dont have bm i use party stealth before enter

[dusty yarrow]

hmmmmm

I'll test this

[zinc vault]

just look at the shadow

when you see that walk into the flower

[spiral dagger]

but always with stealth or hmb or u will die
[it hits 100k, so if u have more hp than that u wont die] xD

[steel python]

Does it ignore defense

[dusty yarrow]

or

u can grab > pick green flower > use ss

wins

but u lose dps

[spiral dagger]

only FM can SS from green flower

summoner cant ;[

[dusty yarrow]

we can

after the root done, for escape of explosion

[spiral dagger]

oh, u mean after this 6 sec

[dusty yarrow]

yep

[spiral dagger]

yeah, but u can't hit for 6 sec xD

[dusty yarrow]

unfortunately

[spiral dagger]

so better to enter this with party stealth at the end of grab [before pizza hit]
or have bm/bd to use hmb for pizza

[dusty yarrow]

I prefer with FM and SIN

[spiral dagger]

true, i love stacking runs

[dusty yarrow]

Has anyone gotten the prints of the new leg abilities yet?

[shadow plank]

Or just SS into Green Flowers when pizza start to get iframe from SS and get flower in the same time

[spiral dagger]

Ye, u can do that too

[chrome epoch]

WTB Purple Sunflower and purple Paw

[maiden flint]

@steel python are u still running horni summoner or did u commit high treason

[steel python]

always hornets

[maiden flint]

im pulling like 12k dps in hae at lvl 54 without petal storm toss, desperate/tempted to try flower with more selectors, or just f it and try for 15-16k hornet full build

[ashen monolith]

WTB Sunflower NA. PMO

[deep marsh]

substat add dmg change incoming

[deep marsh]

combat xp nerf? does anyone know something about that?

[maiden flint]

where are u getting that from

[deep marsh]

bns yast

dont know, it says desert badge, so idk

[lament skiff]

The numbers all look off

It probably grows based on evo

[steel python]

Yeah that's just hornets, gotta get used to is

[steel python]

where are you seeing this?

[solemn oar]

never forget how much damage you're adding through shred in your party.

[maiden flint]

i know its a thing, but wish i knew how much

[steel python]

10% per person

more if they are fire kfm/puncture bm/summ/char fm

[solemn oar]

do we know for a fact its 10%? logs from people i've played with have suggested its a bit more than that

havent done a lot of numbers on it, but ive played with people who go from 30k~ to 35k~ in tree

well smn buffing other smns through poison stacking is a different thing. Idk maybe its just anecdotal, but the difference of having the defense shred uptime vs no shred uptime seems very substantial, and more than people seem to think.

[steel python]

Steven tells me 10%

Wind BD

Dragonchar FM i run with is 30 -> 35k

Yes

Both good

[sweet crag]

Yes I love focus, from professional summoner dodo

Melees benefit more from hammer break

And puncture bm gets most

From focus and the def break

[river kelp]

Yea it’s so minimal I don’t think it’s worth griefing your dps for such a small increase

[sweet crag]

So it’s like a 5k+ increase for puncture

[river kelp]

Wow gamer

[spiral dagger]

Are u talking about kfm while kfm always have 80-86% crit every boss fight XD

Ask him if he use rage technique

Or NA just don’t have good sunflower users

[maiden flint]

am i missing a skill patch or i mixed it up, thought there was a patch that changed modifiers on passive cat skills + others

can only see bonus dmg from like clawnado and hammer on targets with "designated" effect from rumblebees

[spiral dagger]

On yast u can check, we have additional dmg from accuracy + hp
But checking this % it gives almost nothing?

5% from accuracy in sunflower and like 0.34% from hp - seems huge if u have 10k accuracy

Now we can drop bsh SS from CS, legendary SS from exile and better chance for ascent stone - 10% more so it’s 38%

Patch looks good (?) but I’m a little confused with purple selector - battle pass it not worth anymore on alts also we should get much better BP compare to what KR got with warlock, meh..

Kinda sad, I think I should back to my oldnickname - sum depression -

[ashen monolith]

what is communion does tho?

[dusty yarrow]

the cat has the same status as yours

[lament skiff]

Gets your hopes up /jk

[ashen monolith]

idk man, will Rumblebees bros get a chance to rise

[steel python]

So the HP and Accuracy scaling

Is that just added damage

Like badge?

That's like 600 damage for me lmao

[barren drum]

@steel python should we get accuracy now oh lord of hornets? been playing with 500 Eks-dee

[maiden flint]

i think the added dmg also scales with your skill dmg % and mastery %?

i havent seen any numbers from korea since that patch came out

[dusty yarrow]

Besties

Cheer Up!

[rigid delta]

Legendary cheer up please have movement speed

I miss it

[gusty kiln]

Oh snap focus recovery on gold besties?

[dusty yarrow]

yep

[gusty kiln]

Guess I have to gamble after all

There's more than just flower to hit now

[rigid delta]

Hmmm so cheer up got screwed?

I wanted movement speed back on Z

I feel like a snail on this class

[dusty yarrow]

movement speed is Huzzah

[gusty kiln]

They had to make one skill trash to dillute the pool ya know

[dusty yarrow]

+40% movement speed while casting

[gusty kiln]

3/6 golds were trash now it's 4/8. Balanced as all things should be

[rigid delta]

Rip

Cheer up kinda insane in beluga though

You're gonna be so hard to kill

18 sec 20% heal

[gusty kiln]

@fiery cape You need this gold cheer up friend! Nothing else can heal your massive HP bar

[rigid delta]

I'm around 200k atm

[gusty kiln]

You got those ap/hp hybrid yellows?

[rigid delta]

Yeah

All purple

[gusty kiln]

good stuff

[rigid delta]

I made a pvp ss with Def and block

[fiery cape]

what is this , legend?

[rigid delta]

But I should have did hp regen

[gusty kiln]

yeah

legend

[fiery cape]

ew

[gusty kiln]

is evasion no good?

[fiery cape]

i prefer besties i think x_x

[gusty kiln]

it works with block to counter their accuracy stat right?

[rigid delta]

No

We're not sins and are barely in stealth

Our tab is so bad as well

I think the movement reduction tab is probably better

We can't tab grab so you wanna invest in hp if you wanna live

And crit def

[fiery cape]

what is the default tab btw, i forgot

[rigid delta]

Basically F roll

But you get focus back

Can't be sins and just get flash bang and stealth on tab without spec

[fiery cape]

[steel python]

I went from 500 acc to 1000 and barely noticed any dps increase

[rigid delta]

Bees can get away with low acc

Since crits can't miss

And detect set is also a thing

[fiery cape]

@gusty kiln

besties best

[gusty kiln]

Oh it don't even cost health to cast anymore?

Amazing

[fiery cape]

no health and u gain 10% every 24s

[gusty kiln]

It's faster than health potion and way better haha

[fiery cape]

• 5 focus

wtb leggo besties 50gems!

[gusty kiln]

wtb lego besties 180k

[dusty yarrow]

Img full

[dusty yarrow]

Img full

[dusty yarrow]

new badge:
225% > 340% Rumblebess
60% > 85% Hornet
75% > 110% Sunflower

[ashen monolith]

Bees and cat player got massive buff?

[dusty yarrow]

New Enhancements have been added.

• Strike: Speed Increase
  Extra damage while communicating.
  Resist pet status ailments in communion
  Decreases defense after 3 hits while in communion

• Strike: Defense Reduction
  5 stacks of Natural Poison Decreases Defense.
  5 stacks of Natural Poison Target Defense Reduction, Natural Poison Update
  Natural poison target defense reduction, natural poison stacking

• Vine Whip
  Grants 5 stacks of Natural Poison
  Reduced reuse time when in use
  Reset reuse time on critical hits

• Cheer Up!
  Increased pet defense
  Additional Minion Defense Increases
  Summoned Lifesteal

• Besties
  Heals additional health
  Increases additional health healing
  Maximum Life Increase

[barren drum]

225% > 340% Rumblebess Initial hit plus Each hit op
60% > 85% Hornet , 85% to 130%??? buff more
75% > 110% Sunflower, op FM 2.0

[dusty yarrow]

yep

Complete patch note:
https://bns.plaync.com/board/neoupdate/view?articleId=685b326f38aa31382c284480

[barren drum]

But those Enhancements mean you have to stack the same skill in order to unlock?

like this

[dusty yarrow]

yep

exactly that

but the streamer i'm watching now only has 1 yellow book and has 12 points

maybe that's it

[spiral dagger]

He has to have 2 legendary then
1 as “main” and second for 12 GM stacks

[dusty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-reopen-resolved-daffi-duck-bugs-bunny-gif-15871969

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tiktok-cute-adorable-sad-gif-18221526678839574297

[dusty yarrow]

I just thought the sunflower was much stronger compared to the hornet.

rumblebess okay

but sunflower +35%???

[rare flicker]

this is for NA (new patch) or KR?

[dusty yarrow]

new badge of kr

[solemn oar]

this might mean cat immune to cc, is cat dps build going to finally not be a meme 😮

[rigid delta]

being a bees summoner in lunar gotta suck unless you're in a party

[proud field]

Don't make me happy being a sunflower summoner.

[ashen monolith]

yeah the buff is so good lol

[chrome epoch]

I already had 34k dps and aboth

Curious what its now

[ashen monolith]

oh just the acc and hp scale with sunflower

additional dmg are always good

[lament skiff]

What is sunflower selling on EU at now?

[chrome epoch]

Someone selling 35k but too expensive

I buy for 25k max now with new purple selector maybe dropping my purchase price to 20k

[spiral dagger]

so good yeah

[chrome epoch]

What

[spiral dagger]

ADDITONAL DMG

:))))))

[chrome epoch]

Ohh

Finally i get benefit of my 1950 acc and 130k+ hp

[lament skiff]

Does anyone know how KR handled the account wide insignia migration?

[chrome epoch]

It probably just becomes one all together

[spiral dagger]

flex time

[solid kestrel]

pls gib me luck, i rolled 29 frags and 1 normal

[spiral dagger]

[rigid delta]

Its that easy

Now i won't be the only summoner with true pirate anymore

[vestal sage]

Wow, Cat build sounds interesting. It seems like 100% uptime on Lifesteal, CC resist, and Defense Shredding, as long as you have focus.

[chrome epoch]

What 3 legy how

[spiral dagger]

ask zero xD

[chrome epoch]

Thats so sus

[rigid delta]

Man really went all out on a job that does less than summoner

[pastel jetty]

ty!

[uncut fable]

theres the new recipe, 4 frags + 500g

[rigid delta]

Does that mean you can keep gambling for the skill you want essentially

If you rolled bad ones

[spiral dagger]

only if u get 4 frags from book

: D

[spiral dagger]

wtb leg sunflower 200k eu

[chrome epoch]

But u gotta get a legy skill first

So ye sure

🙂

[spiral dagger]

maybe he can change green frags into legendary frags, no1 knows

[lament skiff]

Someone showed 5 yellow books when they posted they were buying more

So having 3 is not unheard of

[spiral dagger]

easier to get this than leg book i guess

[chrome epoch]

Ye only old times enjoyer know this one

[whole gust]

summoner still crashing without vpn ?

[uncut fable]

oh yea obviously, if youre financially blessed you could probably prepare a legy skill or two (or three in this case)

[spiral dagger]

i dunno but i can't imagine to play this game without vpn

[uncut fable]

considering his sin was already supergeared

[strange finch]

hmm ive never crashed with exit lag

[lament skiff]

I have, many times

But much less than without I imagine

[patent briar]

result from dismantling the rumblebees book from way back

[rigid delta]

Tragic

First rumble bees and now 3 pages

Daze whip more useful than rumble lmao

[patent briar]

I've filed a support ticket saying I did it on accident xd

[rigid delta]

Lmfao. That's the way to go

It'll probably 3 page you again as well

Better off selling it

[gusty kiln]

congrats hex staff crispy

[steel python]

I'll file a support ticket next time too

[rigid delta]

if anyone is looking for a flower

[brittle gust]

wts purple hornet nests eu

[gusty kiln]

That’s the same flower that expired at 38k the other day huh

[ashen monolith]

There are 2 at 44.444 and 55.555 earlier

Also expired

[gusty kiln]

Yeah those are compete scams

They were both sub 40k a day or two before that

It’s the same flowers

[ashen monolith]

Yeah both were competing at 38k

[steel python]

who's making these dodos

i know you're here

[steel python]

[sweet crag]

so many dodos

[wise pelican]

where five?

[brittle gust]

Wts purple hornets eu

[chrome epoch]

Just accept your fail tho

[brittle gust]

they reverted my salavage in 20mins send the ticket

[chrome epoch]

they cause ddos?

[chrome epoch]

👀

[brittle gust]

yep

got an 3 first try and now got an 5

[brittle gust]

[chrome epoch]

what

what did u even salvage

[lament skiff]

Probably hornets lol

[chrome epoch]

[paper trench]

y....hes dumb

imagine salvage it into the wrong wl skill instead of making money

[proud field]

Not everybody deserves nice things.

[brittle gust]

i had both 4 for wl and i gott the one i wanted

[strange finch]

WTS x2 in EU

[lament skiff]

lol you keep getting these

[strange finch]

im cursed

[strange finch]

funny part is that im also getting em from blues all the time

[paper trench]

XD

U got alot of cat paws

[tawdry orbit]

did we have any cats who play EU Steam server? 😄

[chrome epoch]

WTS EU

[paper trench]

EU WTB legendary hornet

[spiral dagger]

???????

buy any legend eu

[crisp stag]

WTB purple hornet

pm me

[spiral dagger]

always send server

eu or na

dude

[crisp stag]

EU

my bad

xD

[spiral dagger]

gz

[fallow bear]

can some1 explain skill "2" purpel drain or gimme light ?

[steel python]

Wtb Lego def hammer NA

[spiral dagger]

if purple sf/hornet, use purple drain always
if sunflower (blue) - u can use gimmie light (purple or blue) but when u get purple sunflower - use purple drain

[brittle gust]

Yo

[fallow bear]

for the 6 sec buff?

[spiral dagger]

yes

[brittle gust]

Got 2 spare ones u meant moon water/cinder right

[fallow bear]

so my rota is rmbh spamming till i got ssflower? and than count on 4, last second spam 2, after 6 sec than 3 ? for more ssf?

[brittle gust]

You got 2 spare ones

[lament skiff]

I feel like that would burn all your focus recovery skills very quickly

[fallow bear]

so can you tell me how i do it ?

[lament skiff]

You can do that

If that works for you and your focus management, there's nothing wrong with it

Personally, I spread my honey and focus recovery out into separate bursts

[crisp stag]

allready buy it mate. ty

[fallow bear]

are you working with crouching tiger?

for fokus?

[lament skiff]

I run focus recovery on Q

[strange finch]

WTS EU

WTS 7k EU

[chrome epoch]

WTS EU

[leaden lance]

wtb purple strike defense reduction NA

[maiden flint]

oh im trolling...

bought petal storm toss

[brittle glen]

do we need to be melee (5m) to use Drain?

[ashen monolith]

@rigid delta did you really just come to bamboo to check for wb state?

[spiral dagger]

Yes

[solemn oar]

Regardless of if you hit a target with drain, you will still proc the mystic badge. You will only get honey and the heal if you hit something though, just keep that in mind as well.

[ashen monolith]

and the focus

[brittle glen]

How about Purple Books priority?
I mean which books should i get before i can stack Sunflowers?

[solemn oar]

If you're going pure sunflower build the core books you're looking for are: purple drain, purple doom n gloom, purple daybreak, and purple smothering paw is very good but not required, and if you wanna be nice to people you can also put a purple besties on. Outside of the purples, you'll also want hiveswarm, seed shroud overflow and focus regen q. Until you have a full set of the purple core books you might have some periods of downtime due to focus issues, so consider using a purple lmb to help the downtime. you wont need an lmb book once your kitted out though.

[ashen monolith]

dude i love Overflow

i was wondering why they didnt give purple overflow cuz i abuse that skill alot

[brittle glen]

I see, we only smash the RMB button when the sunflower became super right?
We do LMB+RMB when we don't have Photosynthesis buff?

[solemn oar]

yeah its a bit bizarre they didnt just make a purple one with the extra crit thing that the other one has

[brittle glen]

you mean blocking the yellow aoe to get super sunflowers?

[ashen monolith]

Misread mb

[solemn oar]

for sunflower you just hold down rmb and press focus regen/honey buttons as needed, with a full kit and rotating skills properly youll always be blasting and never have to press lmb ever. But yeah until you get there, only use lmb when needed. Theres a weird gcd with lmb and rmb that prevents them from weaved in the way that hornets allows, so any time not blasting with sunflower is a big dip in dps

[solemn oar]

and yeah going for counters is also very useful for focus regen and more overflow, try and dip into aoes to get your counters whenever you can.

[ashen monolith]

I think i will remove prickly when i got another sunflower

[brittle glen]

Oh, that's new to me
I thought i should use the focus regen/honey buff to get photosynthesis stacks but it was supposed to used after we get the buff instead?

[ashen monolith]

Cuz i used to play lunge and prickly for extra dps. I macro tab and T so my cat will always lunge

[ashen monolith]

Honey extend the photosynthesis duration

Best way to use it is when the photo almost ran out

[brittle glen]

Yeah, i've been using it wrong this whole time :D

Will fix it starting now

[solemn oar]

i dont actually play sunflower, so if what im saying here is wrong im sure someone will yell at me. But what I was doing when I was sunflower, i was using 3 to proc honey at the /end/ of an overflow, the extensions seems to work way better at the end vs the start. DnG, gives photo stacks, so you can also use it from 8 stacks of photo to get into an overflow, and also use drain at the end of an overflow as well.

[ashen monolith]

I dont have drain but the other 2 were totally correct lol

Or you can just use DnG when photo reach 2 seconds left

[solemn oar]

the name of the game with sunflower is making sure you have enough focus to sustain yourself to get yourself to the next overflow, since generally speaking you can always just spam sunflower without worry

[brittle glen]

Mmhm that makes sense if honey extends the buff, i didnt know that it does that
I thought the use of it is to speed up the stacks not prolong

[ashen monolith]

Basically this^

[solemn oar]

yeah every super sunflower shot during honey adds 0.2 seconds to the overflow timer

[brittle glen]

🫡

[ashen monolith]

And please lock sunburst lol

[brittle glen]

Already done that

that skill is weird

[solemn oar]

but, if you use it at the end of an overflow it sort of has a weird interaction, where you can keep spamming your sunflower until the honey buff wears out

[ashen monolith]

Sunflower 1.0

[ashen monolith]

Idk if it should be like that, but I've been doing that

Tho to do it, it kinda depend on your ping and reaction time

[brittle glen]

I'll try it and will tinker it along the way 🫡

Thanks for the chat guys i learn so much

[solemn oar]

yeah i feel like its an unintended interaction, but oh well

[ashen monolith]

I hope they keep it

[solemn oar]

too bad we didnt get the original version of honey where it added 1 second per sunflower in honey

[ashen monolith]

For QoL reasons

[ashen monolith]

Rip...

They kinda nerf and soft buffing sum rn ngl

[solemn oar]

smn has been in a weird spot, i feel like they dunno exactly what they want smn to actually be

we got hornets which is a "support" build, though supports a weird word for it, sunflower which is a mostly greedy dps build, but massively benefits from a hornet smn in party, and than cat build which is still just a bit bizarre

hornets will always be best though

[ashen monolith]

Ah right

Cat build is buggy

[solemn oar]

its been getting a lot of buffs, theyre trying hard to push it

[ashen monolith]

Especially when your cat got locked up behind the boss arena

[gusty kiln]

If they want cat build to be a real thing they need to give our cat hella debuff resistance

[solemn oar]

the problem will always just be cat getting smacked around too much. it gives us bleed uptime, but we also lose besties for it 😦

[ashen monolith]

Bestie best key

[solemn oar]

if communion makes cat immune to cc, than i think the build will be viable though. than its just a question of the numbers and scaling behind it

having bleed and def shred in one build is actually pretty neat

[gusty kiln]

Well cat build would have speed hammer instead of defense down though right

[solemn oar]

i would think you would want to do clawnado instead of speed hammer

speed hammer would probably be the higher personal dps build

but youre giving up shred for that

[gusty kiln]

Yeah it just seems too counterintuitive

If you’re clawnadoing you’re not hammering

[solemn oar]

with rumblebees you can maintain the same uptime on shred as hornets has, but you also get bleed. so its basically a hornets + bleed build

[gusty kiln]

And if you’re doing both then you’re never in Q

[solemn oar]

theres a shared gcd between c and tab for some reason

so you cant even do both

[gusty kiln]

Oh I didn’t even know that was a thing

[solemn oar]

so its either or

[gusty kiln]

So those share a gcd just like R and T that’s so weird

NC really hates us sadge

[brittle glen]

they kinda did that back in live @ Hive Queen nerf iirc

cat used to be ded on 2 stacks of the HQ debuff

[solemn oar]

idr ever having cat dying issues on hq, but its been awhile. Was cat not immune to the stacking aoes?

sometimes they just make cat immune to certain mechs which would just nuke cat normally

like pizzas

[gusty kiln]

Was hive queen the one where you cheesed the boss with taunt?

[solemn oar]

idk i only did hive queen when it was done through "normal mechs" so if something came up later than idk

i stopped playing sometime during TT

hive queen is the big bug at the end of VT

[gusty kiln]

One of the raids the boss liked to one shot the tank and I remember using cat taunt for that then resummoning it with the enhanced wish

[brittle glen]

early days cat died on stacks because i remember that i used to be in charge for the adds and always missing my cat if im not careful

[solemn oar]

oh, boss 1 TT i think had some cheese mechs with that after I quit iirc, i think i vaguely remember reading something about that but idk fully

peacekeeper

[solemn oar]

yea ur probably right, it's just been so long. im old now

[brittle glen]

idr but HQ is the one that boosted 3 ranged dpses in the middle of the arena

[gusty kiln]

Summoners two best abilities. Besties and farewell

[solemn oar]

too bad the conditions for farewell are a bit awkward

[gusty kiln]

Very awkward haha. But saving res charms and or potions is infinite value

[solemn oar]

would love a hot n ready party res whenever we wanted

[chrome epoch]

WTS EU

[rigid delta]

LOL

I made a wl so i can get top 10 for gems/chest

[chrome epoch]

[sour fulcrum]

I come in peace Is there any dedicated summoner guide posted in this megathread?

[brittle glen]

i tried the honey thing just now, it boosted my dps up to 3k in bsh1
but now i need more purple books to maintain the focus up

[rigid delta]

We just face roll keyboard

I think someone made a video about rotation with blue flower

But that's about it?

[sour fulcrum]

I'm asking if there is one so I can pin it

but if there isnt any then rip

[ashen monolith]

oh you can pin this
"RTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRTRT" for hornet user
"TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT" for sunflower user

[rigid delta]

Yes

[rigid delta]

Don't forget 3

If running blue petal

[sour fulcrum]

I legit expected someone to write that rotation

[ashen monolith]

right

"3RT3RT3RT3RT3RT3RT3RT3RT"

[sour fulcrum]

but to keep it clean and less meme-iy (even if it really isn't a meme) I'm looking for bit detailed, external guides

I guess there aren't any summoner mentors

[ashen monolith]

there are but they quitted

sadly

[sour fulcrum]

ah

[chrome epoch]

only Sunflower needs some skill

rest is yikes

[rigid delta]

Yeah like any summoner that played live

Quickly quit 36 patch

Tragic

[chrome epoch]

i like the game

they are weak and leave

[rigid delta]

Same. I just wish they didn't put a delay on cat

[chrome epoch]

they dont know what real grind is

[chrome epoch]

delay?

[rigid delta]

Cat doesnt listen to you like on live

Takes 3 seconds to lunge > any action

Live it was instant

Putting lunge on a global gcd murdered the class in beluga

[steel python]

I applied but nothing

Look in the other summoner thread

[rigid delta]

Did you play live summoner?

[chrome epoch]

no iam new to the game

only played neo

[chrome epoch]

ye i noticed lunge sometimes not working

cant do fast pace gameplay

[rigid delta]

God bless

[chrome epoch]

cat giga slow

[rigid delta]

You should try live summoner and see what I'm talking about

Completely different class

[chrome epoch]

much better?

[rigid delta]

Way better

[chrome epoch]

u cant even aklebiter enemy

[rigid delta]

Its not even the same class

[chrome epoch]

cat too slow xD

[rigid delta]

Yeah that change alone made the spin class match up impossible

Also they put a delay on neo bees

Comes out way slower than live

[brittle glen]

the Q on live is permanently Tumble Roll, no?

[rigid delta]

No

[brittle glen]

oh its a talent tree?

[rigid delta]

Tldr they removed almost something from every skill from summoner on neo

[chrome epoch]

nice

but gameplay in pve still fun

[rigid delta]

Tabbing grab, E used to have and iframe and RESET Q

[chrome epoch]

when playing sunflower i always see room to improve

[rigid delta]

oh

[brittle glen]

we also have lower gcd on live right?

[rigid delta]

And they took away instant cat resummon

[chrome epoch]

the more you know the bosses and patterns the better u can play and dps with sun its nice progression

[rigid delta]

I stand by sunflower summoner unironicaly hardest class to play on neo in pvp

[steel python]

E not having iframe is so pain

[chrome epoch]

i cant even hit ppl with sunflower

its sometimes impossible

[steel python]

I need it back

[chrome epoch]

dont u have that with purple skill or so

[rigid delta]

Yeah if you see a spinner dont even bother

Just got fight the fms and bms lmao

[chrome epoch]

but sometimes u can hit 3-4 ppl and they die fast xD

[rigid delta]

You can sit on fms and make them mad

Unless said fm has legendary ice rain and murders cat in 2 seconds

[chrome epoch]

they just freeze me

and iam done

cant break freeze

[rigid delta]

E used to cleanse freeze

Like my god they ruined this class on neo LOL

Luckily I wasnt a pve summoner

I was one of those players that just lived in arena and didn't pve

Id only pve if I had to do story to continue doing pvp

So neo doesnt burn me out when I pve because I never did it to begin with

[chrome epoch]

I only do pve

The pvp in neo is like dogshiat

At least it feels like this

[rigid delta]

Yeah it is

Pvp is just sin taxi simulator

I still find it fun though

[rigid delta]

Yes

Lmb comes out instantly

And rmb

[brittle glen]

E also used to break airborne+kd the caster back before Gunner came right?

[rigid delta]

Only against wl

Bm and bd it still kept you in the air

[brittle glen]

oh, i thought it was every airborne

[rigid delta]

But if you timed it when you hit the ground

You could start moving and dodge the kd

[rigid delta]

You could use it every air born

[brittle glen]

i see

[rigid delta]

But some air borns you shouldn't

Like kfm>des

Because they're going to resist it

Bd it was funny because they would always wanna aerial >ld flash step cheese you

But you could E iframe it

[brittle glen]

did u play 3v3 back then?

or strictly battlegrounds?

[brittle glen]

truuuuuuuu

last time i remember on 3v3 is gunner+bm are disgusting combo

like it's just insta dead if you got knocked up

i wonder if we're ever gonna get the ball battleground in neo

[chrome epoch]

btw. why cant summoner escape grab

its so bad

[rigid delta]

I did both

I had like 2k plus games on every mode in bg

I started 6v6 late though

I funded it with my 20 summoner alts

[rigid delta]

Wanna know what's funny

Wl has the same escape I think

So they cant as well

But wl has 2 tabs so they don't count

Like I really wanna know what dev looked at summoners escape and thought it needed to be nerfed to the point you needed a blue book to get stealth

While sin with no books gets a flash bang and 6 seconds

[chrome epoch]

xD

good pvp

[brittle glen]

you're collecting those win titles, i see
what's your favourite one?

[chrome epoch]

kekw

[rigid delta]

Bg used to be fun

Neo destroyed it

Sins are on steroids on neo

It plays exactly how it did on live

[brittle glen]

i stopped doing bgs once i get my gold medal

[rigid delta]

Wwv was the best bg mode

[brittle glen]

oh the one that you def right?

no banner or something

[rigid delta]

Nova core had too many Chinese players throwing games for their clans

[rigid delta]

Yeah you just cap the vase

And it took 6 seconds to flip

[brittle glen]

yeah that's what i meant xdd

[prime salmon]

WTS NA SUMMONER

[chrome epoch]

woah

[sour fulcrum]

do you have a guide available

[chrome epoch]

Hornet guide, rtrtrtrtrt c rtrtrtrtrtrtrtr c

[prime salmon]

ty uwu just got it as a drop..

[chrome epoch]

uwu

[chrome epoch]

Wow thats crazy

Why not use urself

[chrome epoch]

i got a ring yesterday with pretty high stats and they got even higher xD

[prime salmon]

already have a true hex with 200 cd and 200 cr o;

[prime salmon]

lucky.. u have godly rng u_u

[chrome epoch]

One time...xd

[white spade]

Do anyone share me build Honest nest ,please and which stats do i focus in?

[ashen monolith]

Hornet nest build: get 1 bound heroic hornet and the rest go blue hornet

[steel python]

Look in the summ megathread, it has guide for both though mine is a bit dated

[chrome epoch]

WTS

[vestal sage]

WTS NA Smothering Paw

[strange finch]

WTS EU

[strange finch]

WTS EU another dropped

[sour fulcrum]

when did you apply and how did you apply

[steel python]

long time ago dw i don't really care about it anymore

i wouldn't be able to do the 1 guide per week or whatever req

[sour fulcrum]

I can get you the tag if youre still interested

its very highly possible that your application is probably just lost in the sea of others and you got unlucky about it

[sour fulcrum]

this shouldn't be an issue dun worry about it

[steel python]

Would be nice yeah but don't worry too much about it

I just chat here to the same crowd pretty much

[sour fulcrum]

alright

then at least link your guide here now so I can pin it?

[rigid delta]

Yeah the first step of the guide is to select force master at character select

[steel python]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eivfoWTnwyrLSo6QyFW0BFvP0hBPMY_Drq98x3OK4VY/edit?tab=t.0

https://discordapp.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1346285661874950295/1372062814713417759 and this is the hornets guide

[steel python]

Lemme go update my guide real quick

This was made during blue book days

[mighty radish]

@steel python so Drain over Gimme Light?

[steel python]

For sure yes

Honey is really good buff

[mighty radish]

what would be your opener then?

stack poisen and then keep honey up?

[steel python]

Opener should be soul + prickly and one lmb to get 5 poison i believe

I'm not quite familiar with purple playstyles tbh

Especially with honey buff

(I'm a hornets main now)

[mighty radish]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-with-green-sock-gif-18233516093778333886

From what i recall, you want to use your honey skills right when overflow is expiring so you can get a ton of extra super sunflower time

(someone fact check me plz)

[mighty radish]

yeap and then keep refreshing it

[steel python]

Just making sure

Updated for the most part

[sour fulcrum]

tyu for your hard work

if you change your mind about mentor stuff lemme know so I can kick Rownen's office door and throw cat food at him

[solemn oar]

this makes hammer very easy to run on sunflower if you can 2 leg books

[steel python]

apprecitae it

[knotty rampart]

WTS purple sunflowers x 2

[dusty yarrow]

I just didn't understand this 1 stack with 48 points.

Does it consume the 5 and then apply 1?

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-cat-gif-12532283190542462571

[solemn oar]

not really sure, maybe it works when they're only at 1 stack of poison instead of 5?

cause it seems like 30gm is making it not consume the poison, by "refreshing" it

[dusty yarrow]

if consume only 1

hornet build will die

[solemn oar]

yeah thats what im thinking with the changes to hammer

theres just no reason to go hornets with how easy hammer will be to manage, with debuff lasting 20s and at 50% shred, i feel like theres no reason any sf smn wouldnt just run it

[dusty yarrow]

using 30 gm its possible to maintain almost full time

[solemn oar]

yeah exactly

[dusty yarrow]

u saw the buff on new badge?

60% > 85% Hornet > + 25% only
75% > 110% Sunflower > + 35%

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-shocked-ashtonished-astounded-explosion-gif-4927161

[solemn oar]

yeahh, they didnt change out any cool effects on the mystic either

but consolidating the badges all into one is pretty nice

[dusty yarrow]

yep

maybe cat build is viable now

[solemn oar]

the question is what the lfiesaving effect actually means

[dusty yarrow]

life steal

[solemn oar]

oh youre right it is

[dusty yarrow]

• hammer

[solemn oar]

yeah, cc immune during it is really good

and it gives 40% shred

40% shred + bleed from rumble is pretty big with how few classes can apply it right now

[steel python]

[dusty yarrow]

yes

mayble viable

[solemn oar]

with all the recent buffs to cat, and hornet likely dying

its def something to keep an eye on

[steel python]

Maybe it's time to start saving up bound purples

[dusty yarrow]

225% > 340% Rumblebess > +115%

[solemn oar]

i dont really like sunflower rotation in neo so im pretty set on trying for cat build once we get silverfrost

[chrome epoch]

bc its not just letting macro do it?

[dusty yarrow]

sunflower dont need macro to play

[solemn oar]

no i just miss the thornstrike vt badge

that was a lot more fun to play imo, sunflower feels boring

[dusty yarrow]

yeah

[solemn oar]

not that hornets is much better

[dusty yarrow]

now the big question

stack hammer or bees?

[solemn oar]

well without a badge to support strike like we have right now, i think we gotta just stack bees

unless they add strike to the badge

but thats gonna be up to the math nerds to figure out whats ends up being better

[dusty yarrow]

honey buff is sunflower duration, dmg of hornet

only?

[solemn oar]

honey doesnt do anything for rumble or strike at all does it D:

[dusty yarrow]

let me see in patch notes

[dusty yarrow]

only this

[solemn oar]

lame

[dusty yarrow]

so dont need honey in cat build

[solemn oar]

so we can use blue petals

yo wat about using doom n bloom with it though, cause its either that or lmb spam

move speed buff while spamming c and 3

[dusty yarrow]

lmb spam do more dmg

maybe something like this

[solemn oar]

wont be able to clawnado if were using speed hammer, so thats an extra book slot

[dusty yarrow]

but we need cat dash

so is clawnado or lunge

[solemn oar]

and purple briar creates the +20% dmg field

for cat

prickly does as well, so you basically just alternate the 2 to keep the buff up

[dusty yarrow]

for briar, we need lose 2 books

prickly + petal toss do more dmg

and focus regen

[solemn oar]

well briar is still focus regen too

[dusty yarrow]

but less dmg

ok, change clawnado for purple lunge

dont need grab, because cat need hit

[solemn oar]

true yea

[dusty yarrow]

daybreak its good for heal + focus regen

stealth we need

so that's it

macro: R + C + 1 + 3

[solemn oar]

yea thats probably the best way to build i think?

[dusty yarrow]

Rumblebees + Cheer Up! on cd

daybreak if need focus

[solemn oar]

i wouldnt put 3 on macro incase of boss moving

[dusty yarrow]

gg

[dusty yarrow]

I use it like that with the hornet.

RT13

[solemn oar]

i play hornets manual

i do sometimes stop spamming 3 depending on boss moves tho

its pretty inconsequential though

like hae is awful for it until final phase

[dusty yarrow]

try use like that

its like this combo > drain / daybreak

dont need cat focus

Prickly + Petal Toss is free dmg

[solemn oar]

yeah im just saying it can be a waste of focus if youre macro is spamming kabloom and boss already moved out of it

[hybrid tide]

WTS purple gimme light PMO EU

[solemn oar]

same for prickly

doesnt really do much to have it auto cast if you know boss is about to move/jump for a mech or part of rotation

[dusty yarrow]

can help, but it's going to take more work

[solemn oar]

thats why i like playing manual 🙂

[dusty yarrow]

and u will lose dps if you forget once

[solemn oar]

just dont forget

[dusty yarrow]

kek

[solemn oar]

its just a couple buttons, dont think its really all too hard but thats just me me

[dusty yarrow]

maybe I change for lab

only for tree its okay

Cheer Up! have any long animation?

[solemn oar]

dont think so

[hard hamlet]

meow :3

[dusty yarrow]

or u can remove petal toss + prickly

and put more bees book

[lament skiff]

wow

[solemn oar]

just comes down to math with whats better, and im not crunching numbers

the poison stacking wont really be too useful, but the focus regen from prickly to fuel speed hammers, might be really nice

but if you dont use either, you get basic pink petals which could be some useful utility if its relevant for any silverfrost content

[dusty yarrow]

using math for more dmg via chat gpt

DnB + briar vs rosethorn = Dnb wins

prickly + petal vs bees stack = petal wins

sooo

I made these changes.

It's interesting to use the DnB instead of rosetthorn.

I remembered a video from live

[forest rivet]

WTS (without soul core) send PM (EU)

[dusty yarrow]

https://youtu.be/smThJXPwjg8?si=B0hBAtsNKf0lXrd_

[proud field]

Cheer Up Purple or Besties Blue?

[dusty yarrow]

if u cant stack ur main skill

and dont need other skill for ur build

cheer up purple

[proud field]

I'm not sure what Communion does.

[dusty yarrow]

shares your status with the cat

[proud field]

As in stats?

[dusty yarrow]

his status is the same as yours

[solemn oar]

yaaas i was hoping for DnB

this actually looks like such a fun build

[proud field]

But then, I can just q my cat and it won't die anyway. Cause Cheer up Purple gives me 10% hp and Blue Besties does the same.

[dusty yarrow]

I am talking about the communion only.

basically cheer up u heal only u and ur cat

[proud field]

I understand, I am just trying to see what's more beneficial in every scenario.

[dusty yarrow]

and besties ur pt members

[proud field]

Would pt members not have the cat in it?

[dusty yarrow]

nope

I think

obs: u lost 10% ur hp

for use besties

[proud field]

Would my character not be included in the party?

Or the skill JUST heals ~everyone else~ but me and the cat.

[dusty yarrow]

you heal others in exchange for 10% of your hp

you just lose

[proud field]

Aight, so Blue Besties blows.

Unless I get Purple.

[dusty yarrow]

yep, but purple version

[proud field]

I'ma stick with Purple Cheer Up for now.

[dusty yarrow]

is other history

[proud field]

Why is this player sweating so much?

[dusty yarrow]

because is a good skill

but it's not worth that much

[proud field]

Eveybody is made of money.

[chrome epoch]

@strange finch why u do this 😦

[proud field]

Is there any point getting F5 blue sunflowers?

[chrome epoch]

more dps

[strange finch]

funny how everyone keeps saying the book isnt worth it, yet everyone is stalking it

[strange finch]

it aint mine xD

[chrome epoch]

ok xd

[proud field]

Even if I had the gems I wouldn't get it. Cause damn that is just expensive.

[proud field]

I find it hard justifying getting rid of some skills for extra dps if the blue sunflower does add it.

[strange finch]

when people wont inv you cause u dont do dps you might reconsider that

[proud field]

Realistically how many can you add before you just have sunflowers everywhere.

[steel python]

Everything but 3 books if you have a focus battery

Just look at world boss rankings, a lot of them are min maxed

[proud field]

Where can I see that?

[steel python]

Well you can go to wb next time its up as a summoner

Or im sure someone here has a recent screenshot

i've missed the last few so i dont sadly

[proud field]

I thought you meant there is a list of high geared summoners.

Or a F2 somewhere.

[steel python]

https://beans.azuradara.dev/ filter for summs

then search their name up

[strange finch]

WTS EU

[proud field]

Yea I just checked Emraell, he probably has more dps than a small country, but he has 0 utility. I would assume he has to rely more on the party than on himself.

[steel python]

He's here pretty often, can talk to him about it

But i wouldnt be surprised if he was perfectly fine solo

There's a lot you can take out and still play fine

[strange finch]

rely on others for what exactly?