Summoner

[solid kestrel]

definitely should do more then o:

[solid kestrel]

[steel python]

bdx, posts your puncture bm's stats

compare it to her BM friend's stats

[wet jacinth]

Somebody on EU look up "Lith"

Iirc its 890ap, 3.8k cr and 2.5k cd

1.3k acc idk the piercing xd

[solid kestrel]

how often do you play summoner

[steel python]

Compare that to a BM with Nia's stats doing 31k

[solid kestrel]

like, i don't want to say skill issue but

[steel python]

3k dps difference, and he's got 100 less ap

[solid kestrel]

how is that only 2k dps more than a 799 ap summ

[steel python]

less cr/cd for sure

[wet jacinth]

Just as much ^^

[steel python]

no way puncture doesnt beat DT

[wet jacinth]

U can prob compare Chifusas to Nia, he plays Pierce tho

34k mujin

[steel python]

and pierce beats puncture when played perfectly

and would you say it matches if played well

[wet jacinth]

Ye something like that

[steel python]

Seems so fun on paper but i would not be able to play that

[wet jacinth]

Puncture is just so much better if ur mediocre to good

Pierce is godgamer mode

Else u just lost xd

[steel python]

Yeah that's what i hear

[maiden flint]

U're supposed to say purple hornet gives u 20k DPS

[wet jacinth]

Sure, if u have 5 maybe

Haha

[maiden flint]

My lvl 51 blue hornet is doing like 8k bloodmane 6k mujin

[steel python]

Like I was saying, your friend is doing fine for their build but don't delude yourself saying they're the "top BM" because they're not a good sample size, this just the NA leaderboards on Hae Mujin

This doesnt include everyone else in that WB screenshot

Namely Anthem and Sulli

The difference between summ and BM is huge

[wet jacinth]

Im mediocre with 1 pp puncture and im 35k on wb

If that matters

[solid kestrel]

yeah he's only top on viridian wb but definitely not top in dungeon compared to all others
same with me, i'm also only somewhere in the top 5 maybe so i'd say it's comparable is all that matters?

[steel python]

No way i'd say comparable is the right word

When puncture does a lot more dmg, and he's still 5k over you

[solid kestrel]

or you'd have to take a maxed summoner vs a maxed bm and then you can talk numbers

[wet jacinth]

Take nanaya then 🙃

[steel python]

Its not going to be much of a difference

Like compare icecream to any of the BMs

[solid kestrel]

comparable as in gear and skill books

[steel python]

Or ask him how often he gets beaten by BMs

[solid kestrel]

i hope he gets beaten 100% of the time by bms as it should be

[steel python]

Yeah BMs without awk timestream

Because class is super stong

[solid kestrel]

i don't really get what poiint you're trying to make

[steel python]

Going back to this

Summoner low dps

Viridian population low

[solid kestrel]

i'm saying personal dps for bm will always be higher at similar gear but not deal like 2x the damage, just "some" % less
while summoners can make up for that with def reduction

[brittle gust]

Why do u guys comparing bm spec in a summoner chat

[wet jacinth]

I compared my bm to my summ and id say I am equally skilled on them.

So idk what ur talking bout xd

[steel python]

She's saying her dps is comparable to a bm playing the inferior spec

[solid kestrel]

hmm bdx does make a valid point

[steel python]

Which is true

[solid kestrel]

if you think you're equally skilled on both

[steel python]

But compared to a BM on the meta setup

[wet jacinth]

Its not a hard game, wcyd

[steel python]

No way that's compararable

Summ is bad class

[wet jacinth]

Heavenly Slasher?

[steel python]

Nah Hybrid

Not saying hybrid is bad

But puncture better

[wet jacinth]

It a dumb comparisson anyway

Summ is in a league of its own cuz of the utility

So who cares xd

[steel python]

I care, we need dmg too

[solid kestrel]

i agree with that

[wet jacinth]

Ye do 10k mijin and buff the test

Do 18k tree and buff the rest

All extra is good

If u pure sunflower, im sorry but just go play fm

[spiral dagger]

wtb legendary hornet eu

[brittle gust]

300k and it’s urs

[spiral dagger]

[floral kettle]

best i can do is 20k

[chrome epoch]

Why not both sun and def down kek

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[mighty radish]

so the bsh carry event, people actually doin it?

[minor sun]

My group took 2 ppl alrdy

[mighty radish]

all alts?

[minor sun]

Nah 2 mains just guildies that got enough gear to do so now

(Mainly the lvls)

[mighty radish]

what do summoners have to do in bsh?

[brittle gust]

Drive and tank the boss

[minor sun]

-Def and heal that's bout it..tho I guess u can drive grandpa's clone too if there's not 2 range

I threw on beckon for 60% movement cuz last 30% of grandpa can b cancer for sum

[solid kestrel]

my clan has pulled like 10+ people through i believe owo
some of them still need training

if 50g is for a region and not server it shouldn't be an issue

[solid kestrel]

in training if there's no other range (or i personally like to bait anyway since hornet and focus recovery always is good) you bait poison at the first boss and an aoe at blood mane (both target the furthest player, bm one can be countered)

[wet jacinth]

@solid kestrel Just for science purposes

What's your dps on bbr if you solo it

[solid kestrel]

haven't done that yet but i can do once i'm out of blessing

[wet jacinth]

This is mine anway and here is my character for comparisson.

2.56k cd

1 pp puncture, rest blues. (20gm) idk why it cut that out lol

[stiff salmon]

piercing does not affect def hammer

ur 4k pierce player and ur 800 pierce player on mujin get the same amount from def reduction

[rigid delta]

I don't even whale

My flower was free

I'm the lowest geared summoner there lol

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitty-stare-kitty-sideeye-stare-side-eye-gif-1860859713479199343

[rigid delta]

I think all of them have more than 1 purple flower stacked as well

[steel python]

Sounds whale

I dunno

[rigid delta]

Actually they do

Our summoners are questionable

Niubility should really be the r1 with his gear

He just needs to learn the class

[patent briar]

it's mostly just boss/ch rng

[rigid delta]

I just know wb doesnt care about utility

And I get my 10g everyday

[rigid delta]

And orbs

Summoners so slow though

If you can get orbs youre in the clear though

I'm thinking during some bosses if you go to the other side

Where no ones at

Profit

[patent briar]

I don't bother trying to collect orbs anymore unless they're literally right next to me

[rigid delta]

Like if you just tank that aoe from mega on the other side of safe zone

That's a lot of orbs

[patent briar]

yeah I try to move around for mega but there's enough people with the same idea that usually I don't get that many

[rigid delta]

I like watching sins dash into all of them when I'm about to get one

[patent briar]

I just hate that with ctrl+f on it looks like I'm running into orbs but actually other people are getting them right before me lmao

[rigid delta]

I leave characters on with no animations

[patent briar]

also people need to push more hornets propaganda I need guaranteed poison stacks at the wb

[rigid delta]

So i can see where cats are

[patent briar]

we'lre all losing like 10% damage when we end up in a ch with no poison

[rigid delta]

Find channel with hornet summoners

We should ask aeerie to join

Pretty funny our damage is tied to a mech that is hammered off

Unless you run with bees summoner

[lament skiff]

How is this done?

[rigid delta]

Ctrl G I think

[lament skiff]

Oh that doesn't work for me

[rigid delta]

Or just crank everything down to 1 during wb works as well

[chrome epoch]

sell me purple sunflower uwu

[swift mist]

@lament skiff i think @south pasture is selling timestream sword but you probably already know?

[lament skiff]

I don't

[brittle gust]

what is this from?

[solid kestrel]

azuradara

[gusty kiln]

WTB x3 mantra cr cd poh ring/x3 skill siren ring NA

[serene grotto]

Things i dont like about hornet... cant clear trash mob efficiently. Highly dependent on crit.

[rigid delta]

have a flower on an acc for trash mobs

[brittle gust]

Always the leg hornet

[steel python]

Alright

@patent briar how much was it

and what did you get

oh no rumblebees

257k apparently

[patent briar]

[prime salmon]

now u needa play rumblebees ;3

[steel python]

You get next time icecream

I believe

[prime salmon]

if u get another bees, issa sign from NCSoft

[patent briar]

coping on the 4 page recipe legendary recipe soon

imagine I only get 3 pages on my first salvage lol

[prime salmon]

ur not going to try to sell it 😭?

[solid kestrel]

probably one of my worst runs ever but it's too boring to redo :D so someone who's actually good at the game could get higher numbers
974 ap, 4450 cr, 3290 cd, gm34 hornet

[patent briar]

do you know anybody who would want it for 250k

[prime salmon]

LOOOOL sell it for 70k

[fiery cape]

wts daybreak NA

[wet jacinth]

Ye but thats what @steel python Ment before I think.
Look at your gear and look at mine, the difference in insane

That's why you don't rlly compare

[solid kestrel]

what are the actual stats from your gear and what's base for crits?

[wet jacinth]

I linked them

[solid kestrel]

those are your total stats but what is your gain from gear?

[patent briar]

is that relevant?

[solid kestrel]

yeah classes have different stat gain

[wet jacinth]

That's hardly a 100-200 difference

But let me login

[solid kestrel]

take your time i'm going to bed

[patent briar]

yeah but at the end of the day you're competing against them base stat difference included

[wet jacinth]

Just look you got double the gm on your mainskill, u got approx 1.5k cr more and nearly 2k cd more, with 70 extra AP

[solid kestrel]

that's true, i just want to know how much the gear diff is

how expensive is one of your books? o:

[wet jacinth]

20k each, same as hornet pmuch

[steel python]

Wait puncture is worth 20k?

[wet jacinth]

Ye

[steel python]

Wtf

I don't think I've seen one drop under 40k

[wet jacinth]

So just think about that, You where comparing your BM friend to you and your near equal dps.
My gear is worth like 40k all toghetter yet I outdps you by quite a margin

So lets not compare the classes again? Lmao

[solid kestrel]

eh, it's like 4k dps diff with me being a noob in that run so it might not even be that high
gear diff you're probably right, you could pull more with same gear (but i'll have to actually check stats tomorrow)
book diff? mine were cheap, if dodo is right about 40k per puncture then my gm would be the same price as what you have stacked?

and then you have to consider utility and def reduction summoners bring owo

seems like a reasonal difference to me

10-20% less personal dps but in return utility owob

[wet jacinth]

If I had your gear and gm id be above 50k

[solid kestrel]

everyone is comparing gm but not c omparing how cheap books are

[wet jacinth]

20k v 20k hete

[solid kestrel]

that's not the case on na o:

[wet jacinth]

So thats a prety easy compare lol

[solid kestrel]

it's the same discussion i had with sun players too, they all compare with "equal gm" but no your book is 3x the price of mine <.<

also a 31% dps gain from 8% ap, 20% cr and 30% cd increase seems very unlikely but what do i know

[wet jacinth]

Cd and Ap are huge and the books are equally priced here so Id say theyre an easy comparison
Puncture works like hornets, no crits means no puncture cuz u need the crit to boost.

Either way, We all know summoners arent the strongest "pure dps" class, even if you go full no utility.
So saying you do equal dps to a BM means that BM is either undergeared compared to you or... Just plain bad.

Wich tbf, 99% of the community plays like they have no monitor and drank 30L of beer.

[chrome epoch]

wait someone just spend 2500$/€ for a ingame skill book? XD

[steel python]

ngl my clan was predicting 600k so uhh yeah compared to that its a steal

we were expecting one of the chinese FM whales to grab it

[chrome epoch]

i mean if ppl only bid less numbers they can get cheaper

but seems like ppl dont care about money xd

[wet jacinth]

Just put it on the 5th creditcard

[barren drum]

@steel python ?

[steel python]

[chrome epoch]

250k its so crazy xD

and its still a gamba

[lament flame]

how much price for this ring ?

[ashen monolith]

depend on region

[lament flame]

eu

[lament flame]

sold

[prime salmon]

attention hornet players!! purple hornet for 16k on market RIGHT NOW!!

[chrome epoch]

get some sunflower in market but EU

[brittle gust]

Na?

[chrome epoch]

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-goodmorning-morning-coffee-good-morning-cat-gif-14825251408147584085

[chrome epoch]

WTB purple Sunflower EU

[maiden flint]

lol whoever bought it is trying to flip

[spiral dagger]

nice, battle pass is over before maint

: D

[chrome epoch]

[chrome epoch]

How much they now sell for

[maiden flint]

12

[true stirrup]

Wtf is this eu

[maiden flint]

yeah

sold for 6k i think

[true stirrup]

Still kinda not worth eh

[true stirrup]

I bought this one for my summoner alt cuz i used all the ductile stones to upgrade my FM gear

[empty portal]

no this is patrick

[amber briar]

wow，this one i only will pay 5k for my alt,but wut the price it sold?

[amber briar]

is this in NA? i never saw that in EU market.10k is a very nice price

[true stirrup]

was NA

[lament skiff]

Anyone looking for purple petal storm toss on EU

[prime salmon]

WTB purp sunflower NA

[lament skiff]

@brittle gust I did not see that in the changes, but perchance I missed it

[brittle gust]

Sup

Well it’s not confirmed if we get honey buff or not

But should come out

[lament skiff]

The comparison does show SS extending photosynthesis by .2s

[brittle gust]

Just sad that ncsoft didn’t let me move pots to my summoner sitting on 100pots on destroyers

[lament skiff]

Maybe the data archives are incomplete

[brittle gust]

I coulda been 55 now

Hmm maybe

[rose juniper]

Is there anyone trying cat build yet? wondering how its perform this patch.

[lament skiff]

Is anyone's tooltips not staying on screen long enough

Wow, 50g I did not imagine we'd reach the cap in EU

Did anyone else lose the ability to re-order their characters?

[maiden flint]

yeah they removed the button for some reason too

[knotty vale]

wtb purple sunflower na

[maiden flint]

purple venomous rosethorn refreshes duration now right?

[lament skiff]

Seems to

[sharp wedge]

Hmm do I play with this?

[chrome epoch]

I still cant play

[lament flame]

same

i cant loggin like this

[chrome epoch]

Why not?

[sharp wedge]

WTS EU

[chrome epoch]

How much

[warped basin]

anyone can understand what honey is and how we proc it in game ?

[river light]

WTB Purple Sunflower NA PMO!

[rose juniper]

blue hive swarm, purple drain ,purple RnG. It increase damage of hornet nest and increase duration of super sunflower while its active.

[warped basin]

ty, so i play sf, and fot example, i press hive swarm just before super sunflower to extend its duration right ?

[rose juniper]

its increase duration by 1 sec per ssf hit I think, in kr they nerf it to 0.2sec later because its too op. Not sure are we get the nerfed one or the original.

[warped basin]

aha ty

[spiral dagger]

what can i tell, as first - this buff seems to be bad (?)
especially on hornet
honey gives 4 sec
dng gives 6 sec
drain gives 6 sec (u need to hit drain - so need to be 5m or closer to hit)
its like 1k more dmg on hit
on parse, seems like it is better to use DnR and petal storm toss to do more dmg than using this 'honey' buff

purple sunflower looks like much better with that overflow duration

[knotty rampart]

yes i just tested it, very good on sunflower

[warped basin]

the problem is with drain, theroritically you should use drain/hive swarn right before you open SuperSF, and hive swarm is fast, drain is not. Who the hell -in fight- willdelay SuperSF with drain whoch is soooo slow ? time wasted on drain might as well be the same you gain from the effect it self.
also drain/gimme are also used when you are out of focus and/or start a new rotation for faster stack/focus loading so by the time supersf comes the honeyeffect is gone.
bad design, for me its like "look we buff summoner, dont speak now" and at the end of the day is minor buff that does not change anything crucial

[spiral dagger]

IMO for sunflower it gives alot, for hornet it gives nothing (not worth to skip petal storm toss and DnR)

[wet jacinth]

Don't use DnG it's so shite

Even the honeybuff can't save that skill

[warped basin]

true its too slow, but sometimes can give youi the extra focus you need

[dusty yarrow]

this room is new for me

but I'll post here too

[wet jacinth]

Finally he found the real room

[dusty yarrow]

Test Honey using Petal vs Hive

• Hornet build
• 1 min test on dummy, no Soul Core
• with Petal is the same rotation of my video
• with Hive cat is hitting free + hammer, something that won't happen in a dg
• I don't have the purple drain yet, so it's not counted in this test.

[spiral dagger]

hive sucks

dng sucks

seems like summoner sucks?

[dusty yarrow]

not so much

this buff is free dps for us, so is welcome

the rotation remained the same

need use more drain only, if u have purple version

[lean juniper]

for me the rotation changed abit

[dusty yarrow]

I'm talking about the hornet

sunflower is different

[spiral dagger]

sunflower is better with buffs

using dng on hornet = lose dps, much dps

using hive on hornet = lose dps

so we can use only drain

[trail notch]

is this for sf or hornet

[dusty yarrow]

hornet

[dusty yarrow]

I'm going to test this, but it probably won't lose dps.

if briar crit, is free cast for us

and briar hits 5 times on 10 sec

so this can make up for the cast time

[spiral dagger]

but u can use DnR while hitting lmb cuz it share GCD with hornet but u can't cancel it like with DnG

so yes, it's dps lose

because u need to stop DPSing while using DnG

and u lose like 2 hornet hits to use it

[dusty yarrow]

but gives 6 sec of honey now

so this needs to be tested

[spiral dagger]

i was testing this for last 1h and back to DnR and petalstorm cuz my parse on dummy was like 5k less : )

[dusty yarrow]

Do you still have the numbers and a video of the rotation to take a look at?

It would be good to compare with mine.

[spiral dagger]

i wish but no
but it was like: with petal and DnR im doing 35-36k+ dummy parse
with hive and DnG i was doing like 30-31k

i wont change it again cuz it is just waste of gold and valors, so test it if u think it's good on hornet build, imo its not

[dusty yarrow]

with DnR u only use F > hold RMB > F again for briar?

[spiral dagger]

i keep my macro (TR) and spam F to use DnR+briar

so i dont need to stop my dpsing

[dusty yarrow]

so u can cancel DnR animation

[spiral dagger]

yes

i mean, no

yes?

u can't cancel dnr animation cuz there is no animation like on DnG, it just target skill and u dont need to stop

[mighty radish]

so update bad, reroll spinrat?

[spiral dagger]

update good if u are sunflower

[wet jacinth]

Doen't the sheet u linked above say we lost dps?

[mighty radish]

purple probably only

[dusty yarrow]

if u change back for hive

[spiral dagger]

this is hornet without 'honey buff'

[wet jacinth]

Oh ic

[wet jacinth]

How much dps was that pre patch hive vs nowhive?

[spiral dagger]

this is with honey buff

[wet jacinth]

Did u test that?

[dusty yarrow]

@spiral dagger the problem of DnR is the honey

[spiral dagger]

but 4 sec gives u nothing bro

6*

sorry 6

[dusty yarrow]

6 casts

[spiral dagger]

not exactly

[dusty yarrow]

+/-

[spiral dagger]

look

it gives u 6 sec buff, its nice

but u hit like on my screen

2,2k on hit more

while loosing like 2 hornets to cast DnG

when i can just keep my macro + use DnR + briar and do better numbers

[dusty yarrow]

let me see if have any DnR on market

[spiral dagger]

also DnR is better cuz it 5 hits

so more chance to crit = more insta casts

yes/no?

[dusty yarrow]

I don't know his animation.

for me is like DnB

but have more dmg

[spiral dagger]

no

[dusty yarrow]

I just bought it, let's see what it's like.

[spiral dagger]

DnR is like prickly or briar

insta cast on target and 5 hits

[wet jacinth]

Honestly

Honey is probally bugged

Just like all the new BM KM and FM skills are bugged

And that difference in hornet dmg is just crit low-high% doing its thing

[steel python]

i've noticed a bit more dmg, but its not a lot for purple

like 10% for purple hornets

[spiral dagger]

its 0.50x additional dmg

[wet jacinth]

Does the pp smothering give focus+def reduc?

[spiral dagger]

0.50x

XD

[wet jacinth]

Thats nice

[severe cargo]

The tooltips are so un clear lol like hive swarm doesnt even mention honey?

[spiral dagger]

yes, its bugged with description

but works fine

[severe cargo]

Also only purple drain gives honey?

Not blue?

Cuz tooltip seems buggy too

[spiral dagger]

purple drain, purple dng and blue hive swarm

[dusty yarrow]

@spiral dagger Are you waiting for the briar to come back or are you using the BnR in the CD?

[spiral dagger]

im waiting for briar

but look

sunflower is just amazing

u are going into overflow and spam super sunflower

then 1 sec before end - use hive

to have more overflow duration for next 4 sec

so u can be in overflow for 10sec?

while hornet get 1k more dps on hit

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[severe cargo]

Umm we got .2s extension not 1s no?

[spiral dagger]

should i do video for u

how i use 22 supersunflowers in hive swarm or what

we have 1 sec, they nerf it later

or its bugged

dunno

[severe cargo]

Oh then its op if its 1sec

I dont have sunflower anymore so i cant test

[sinful cove]

o.o

[dusty yarrow]

worse than testing the DnR, it won't reach 1k

it's dealing the same damage as using the DnG + honey

meeeeeeeeeee

[spiral dagger]

dng+honey

use dnr+petalstorm toss

if u want to see the difference

also tl;dr

[dusty yarrow]

I am using petal

[spiral dagger]

sunflower is more broken than before

[dusty yarrow]

for sunflower build is 2 buffs

[spiral dagger]

welcome in new meta, nomore hornet users on WB

[dusty yarrow]

poison reset and honey

[spiral dagger]

EU*

[dusty yarrow]

It's worth considering switching to sunflower, but you'll just become one more DPS

[wet jacinth]

They did nerf it in kr

[spiral dagger]

i know

but still it will be better to back to sunflower than stay with hornets for -30% def debuff uptime

[wet jacinth]

if u go full sunflower just go play dragonchar fm

[dusty yarrow]

def break, 10s grab and Q focus for melee

[spiral dagger]

u can do this with sunflower also

: )

[dusty yarrow]

you're not going to stop your spam to use poison and smash with the hammer

iiiifffffffffff

the hammer dont reset the poison

but

[wet jacinth]

And even then u only got 60-70% uptime as sf

And u are always going to do ssf over def reduc

[spiral dagger]

still better than stay with nothing

[chrome epoch]

u cant buy sunflowers atm

no one selling

i tried for 1 week now

0 messages

[dusty yarrow]

purple u can get on battle pass

[chrome epoch]

i bet he wants more than one

[wet jacinth]

1 sf aint gonna do anything bru

😂

[chrome epoch]

it does

i got 4th yesterday

[wet jacinth]

worldboss

[chrome epoch]

sunflower is not just yolo

[wet jacinth]

I got 3rd while normally i'm 8th

It happens

Worldboss is scuffed

[chrome epoch]

skill

[spiral dagger]

fusel can u check

if lunge keep poison stacks?

[chrome epoch]

iam at work but can check laters

[spiral dagger]

okay thx

[chrome epoch]

game didnt let me in today in morning

[spiral dagger]

i need to go back to top1 wb again

[chrome epoch]

was sitting on 30 unfinished quests

[spiral dagger]

buy 10 purple sunflowers, 35k each

[chrome epoch]

ye i wanna buy sunflowers too but there are none xD

[dusty yarrow]

Concluding today's patch
Hornet honey:
Petal > Hive
DnR > DnG
Drain 5m skill

Sunflower honey:
Poison reset time
Extend duration of Overflow

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[spiral dagger]

yes, its fine

totally fine

[dusty yarrow]

kekw

[chrome epoch]

oh

we got honey update?

[spiral dagger]

i like it, when they are doing the same sh!t like on live

u need to play 1 build to do dps, or u are just fuckedup

[spiral dagger]

yes, and on sunflower is huge

[chrome epoch]

ofc it is huge

do we have the 1 sec one or 0.2 sec one

[spiral dagger]

1

u can be in overflow for more than 10 sec

: )

[chrome epoch]

[chrome epoch]

i see haha

[dusty yarrow]

@spiral dagger thanks for the DnR suggestion, I will test more tomorrow

[chrome epoch]

now i understand bro

ive seen crazy weapon gold costs

for crafting

is it right or wrong priced

[wet jacinth]

200g to craft the leggy ticket

Upgrading weapon is a better option.

[spiral dagger]

or drop

its 1%

still better than purple book

[chrome epoch]

ye seems like

[chrome epoch]

ye if we can run that

🙂

[wet jacinth]

Ye but then u still gotta gamba on statts and soulcore

😂

[shadow plank]

WTBuy Virtuous Mystic Badge Sunflower

[sharp wedge]

I mean... If there were any ascent stones for sale :>

[wet jacinth]

Just do tree for ascent stones amirite 🙃

[sharp wedge]

I'm trying

[wet jacinth]

Nice loot!

Remember when Yasin said u'd get only purple in bsh?

[spiral dagger]

[orchid bronze]

[spiral dagger]

but atleast got this

first try

[wet jacinth]

Shiii

[spiral dagger]

thx game

[wet jacinth]

Gratz!

Show me how that looks ingame!

[spiral dagger]

looks amazing

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[spiral dagger]

wait a sec, i will showu

[wet jacinth]

Oh you can use Shadowplay or Nvidia record

To make a 10sec clip

[spiral dagger]

@wet jacinth

oh its file?

weird

[wet jacinth]

Keylogger

Sheee that looks kinda cool

Rip fps prolly

[spiral dagger]

not exactly

i think neo works better than live and on live i had like 1927318927382173 effects on character

[wet jacinth]

live was perma 5fps simulator 😂

[chrome epoch]

what this 😮

[wet jacinth]

New weapon

50g per box in dragonexpress

U have a pleb weapon and this weapon in the box.

[chrome epoch]

eww

only cosmetic right?

[wet jacinth]

Illusion yes

[forest rivet]

WTS Summoner EU

[spiral dagger]

hey

i was trying to do new badge

can u tell me what is this bonus?

XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

no text 5% increase

seems pretty cool

[chrome epoch]

5% more whale earnings for NC

[wet jacinth]

5% pûre dmg frfr

Super real screenshot.

[steel python]

its combat xp

[spiral dagger]

|:kek

[chrome epoch]

wtb purple sunflower EU

[steel python]

i think the rough math is 50% shaves like 2 weeks off lv60

most likely less

[spiral dagger]

@chrome epoch im sorry

[wet jacinth]

Lmao no way

Jackpot

[spiral dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13062150862685254762

[sharp wedge]

WTS EU
Strike: Defense Reduction
Prickly Stance
Venomous Rosethorn
Doom 'n' Gloom

[steel python]

Andy you quitting?

[wet jacinth]

Looks like he going sf again?

[steel python]

Oh makes sense

I thought he as always SF

[solid kestrel]

WTB Purple Hornet (NA) >:D

sell me your cheap hornets

[steel python]

35k for one of mine

[solid kestrel]

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-cat-meme-silly-cat-gif-4266327784702766845

[gusty kiln]

This honey stuff seems real good so far

[steel python]

Same price my clanmate offers

[chrome epoch]

sell me uwu

stay hornets bro

WTB purple Sunflower

[chrome epoch]

i dont wanna cash anymore my 500-800 is too much already xD

if i had that luck i would gamba too

[sharp wedge]

No, I'm trying to get books but I get wrong ones

[wet jacinth]

@sharp wedge How much exp does Tree give?

[steel python]

Classic

Never the books you want

[sharp wedge]

3690 xp from kill + 6100 xp from daily
810 xp on the first boss

[wet jacinth]

Shiii

15 stam each run

7*15 stam is still 34k exp per day

[steel python]

What's that compared to hae mujin?

[wet jacinth]

Mujin is 8x3k

24k

[steel python]

Damn wtf

that's insane difference

[wet jacinth]

Tldr, Spam tree and do rest without blessing

gg.

[solid kestrel]

^ been like this with everything

command spam during moon2 for exp then rest without blessing

[steel python]

How much dps increase is hammer for tree now?

is it still 2k per person

[wet jacinth]

Doing poh and chef wasn't that bad

Cuz the lvls weren't that needed

[steel python]

cuz 3k per person would make it viable to bring 20k hornets

[solid kestrel]

everyone went offline so i can't tell o:
but dps wasn't the issue with friends so far

[wet jacinth]

So if u get 30% buff on mystic, Tree will give 6.11k exp
That's 42.8k per day

Shiii

so every 3rd day u get a free day

[chrome epoch]

told ya

come to eu

❤️

[tawdry orbit]

😄

i see the TRIGGER

[solid kestrel]

everyone is too tired to continue uwu
but me too tbh XD though 10k exp would've been nice

[chrome epoch]

Dayum i wanna play too

[wise pelican]

hmm exp bonus 10%?

[solid kestrel]

yea the new "no text" affinity is combat exp bonus

[chrome epoch]

😮

[tawdry orbit]

is that stuff have effects like legendary?

because I don't see the difference between the two

[wet jacinth]

Regular skin has no pixel glow effect.
Skin is the same but leggy one has matrix effect

[tawdry orbit]

ah oke

[solid kestrel]

the effect is on your whole character for legendary

so you'll have to wear to see it

[tawdry orbit]

y i see, my bm friend got it from one chest xD

[sharp wedge]

Do you accessories instead of badges

[chrome epoch]

eww that one does not look good

[brittle gust]

Hmm world boss gonna be interesting today

Will I be able to fight back vs sf users or not

[chrome epoch]

i see it coming

WTS 5x purp Hornet Nest inc

[brittle gust]

Man thinks I own 5

[solid kestrel]

i got first actually, over sunflowers, so who knows o_o maybe they were too tired today? maybe it's because it was dragon?
tomorrow's wb will tell

[brittle gust]

[chrome epoch]

idk how many u own xD

but didnt u have like 3 purple suns

[solid kestrel]

so far it doesnt look like honey buff is only good for suns at least

[chrome epoch]

thats at least 6 hornets

[brittle gust]

Had two sf

[chrome epoch]

how much did you sell them?

[brittle gust]

70k for both

[warped basin]

a greedy company that even battle xp is pay2win feature, shame

[brittle gust]

Then I bought leg hornet

[chrome epoch]

dayum

[solid kestrel]

o: nice leg hornet

[chrome epoch]

i dont wanna swipe

[solid kestrel]

how much was it?

[chrome epoch]

i have to resist

[brittle gust]

145

Was a 4k dps increase 5 days ago

[solid kestrel]

sounds... cheap compared to what i've seen but still so expensive

[chrome epoch]

1450€ for a skill book
i mean thats cheap compared to the 2500€ skill chest NA xD

but it could be a new PC

[brittle gust]

Yeh

[chrome epoch]

or 2 weeks holiday

[brittle gust]

Full price

[chrome epoch]

i just want 1 more purple sunflower and iam happy

[brittle gust]

Want 1 hornet more for 36gm

But I also want new grabb

[chrome epoch]

purple grabb?

[wet jacinth]

Nah, My current badge has no statts anyway

[brittle gust]

Yeah

Idm either one

[chrome epoch]

hmm

since no one sells sunflower i think about going full gamba

[brittle gust]

If u wait until ppl finish bp maybe they sell it

[solid kestrel]

glgl, nothing for sale on NA either :c

i hope more people will just pick sun on NA so i can get all hornets :D

but this week the market has been super dry

[chrome epoch]

no you come to eu

[brittle gust]

I thought I would get ap from kill achievements

But 10cdmg

[solid kestrel]

wasnt it even just crit rate?

yea 10 crit rate for 5 tree kills

[sharp wedge]

new meta

[chrome epoch]

i have to get that too

is it that 1.1% extra stats u can change?

[sharp wedge]

Affinities yes

[chrome epoch]

dayum nice

finally something where i can put all the mats in xD

[sharp wedge]

Took me 1700 powders to reroll accessories... And didn't even get 10% increase on all

[chrome epoch]

you had so many floating arround or did you buy with golds?

think i have like 50 chests from dragon trader and pvx

[wet jacinth]

Jewel powders?

Or Wood fraggies

[chrome epoch]

think u can use all 3 currencies to reroll the stat?

[solid kestrel]

only jewel powder for accs

[chrome epoch]

ah

but for chests i can choose what i get so its fine

[sharp wedge]

I still have 150 boxes on both my alts

[chrome epoch]

crafts to sell for money took so many powders

[wet jacinth]

Just be like andy and

Crafting is for poor nubs

[warped marlin]

dafuck purple briar patch do

[solid kestrel]

looks exactly the same as blue, just more stats from being a purple i guess

[wet jacinth]

It has a stattline but its not in the game atm, Thats the 30% additional dmg thing

[lament skiff]

Cat supposed to more damage within it?

[warped marlin]

clawnado scaling out of this world

[quartz mortar]

hey fguys whats differnce between blue purple

[wet jacinth]

Prety sure this is suposed to be Briar Patch.

Not prickly

In Korea both skills do this effect.

[quaint canyon]

purple "Cheer Up" didn't increase cat dmg someone else also tested this?

[lament skiff]

Yast showed it should give a buff

[spiral dagger]

Buy purple sunflower, mystic badge
EU

[chrome epoch]

sell me purple sunflower first

[mighty radish]

lend me rng or sell purple flower for less than a smol existence

[stiff salmon]

purple cheer up gives the buff but the buff functionally does nothing XD great devs

[warped basin]

What does this mean exactly? What's the cats skill effect? Which effect?

[lament skiff]

Cat does more damage to things inside the aoe

[midnight forge]

are hornets still competitive with sunflower in group play?

[steel python]

Including def debuff yeah i'd say so

[wet jacinth]

I'd say superior.

[sharp wedge]

Rough life in Tree when having to do mechanics too

[wet jacinth]

Specially since 4 man dungeons are a thing.

[sharp wedge]

Hell no

Well I mean considering that for same budget you can build a stronger hornet than sunflower, but at the end sunflower wins

[steel python]

Superior for sure when 6m releases

[wet jacinth]

Hornet+100% uptime > Sunflower bit more dps with 60% uptime.

Ur dmg is mediocre anyway, might aswell get more uptime

Why bring a sunflower summ if u can bring an FM with more dmg

[sharp wedge]

Or you can play sunflower properly and keep close to 100

[wet jacinth]

(buff summoner)

[sharp wedge]

I mean if hornet works for you and you can clear tree just fine without being deadweight then go for it

[wet jacinth]

Whats the highest uptime you got on sunflower

Cuz most ppl i've seen sweat about it on 60-70%

[sharp wedge]

It's about being lazy and not pressing C. Not about not being able to

[solid kestrel]

i have yet to see a sunflower beat me in a dungeon (alone without another summoner in the party) and apply def reduction the same amount, but i whale so no one really to compare with
just my opinion but i think hornet is just fine if you know what you're doing

[chrome epoch]

fm no besties and no crazy focus recovery for party

eww

[solid kestrel]

actually current patch summoners are even stronger than FM

which is sad..

my poor fm friends are crying :/

[midnight forge]

i see, thank you all for answering. Guess hornets are still good enough at the very least, although hard to tell as f2p

[solid kestrel]

at least bp will give everyone a purple selector, both sun and hornet are good choices, though sun has higher value, whether deserved or not

[forest rivet]

any whale interested? 😆 (EU)

[chrome epoch]

kek

[solid kestrel]

WTB Purple Hornet Nest (NA) :3

[chrome epoch]

WTB Purple Sunflower (EU) :3

[dreamy skiff]

U drunk?

That has to be ragebait

[chrome epoch]

do you have facts to proove the opposite?

[dreamy skiff]

U genuinely need any proof for that?

[sharp wedge]

If you don't yet have a summoner in your party you would much rather take sum than fm

[dreamy skiff]

xD

[solid kestrel]

it's not ragebait owo that sadly is the actual state rn

people would rather take a sum than fm in HE parties :/

[brittle gust]

Idk what y guys smoking.

But must be good

[solid kestrel]

21301 dps, current #1 fm on viridian
21530 dps, me, just a hornet summoner applying def down

which one would you rather take

[brittle gust]

Why are u even with an fm

[solid kestrel]

not the same party

but i got numbers through other people

both are dps at hexwood

[brittle gust]

21k on what

[dreamy skiff]

Yeah 99% of ppl have a gigantic skill issue. Summoner doesnt get close to a properly played fm

[brittle gust]

Oh

[dreamy skiff]

Im not gonna bother anymore

[solid kestrel]

you call #1 fm skill issue hmm

ok owo

[brittle gust]

Yeh I do 20-21k and fm does 35k

[solid kestrel]

at hex? what build are they running o:

[brittle gust]

Fair im 54 but sure

[dreamy skiff]

Yes i do, hes probably incredibly bad

[solid kestrel]

my friends probably are interested

[brittle gust]

Dragonchare

[solid kestrel]

do you have ap, crit, acc?

and gm too while at it

[brittle gust]

Theirs no fms in ur server ?

[solid kestrel]

our fms are nearly all ice rain

[silent moon]

exactly this

[brittle gust]

We got help does 80k in wb

[solid kestrel]

the #1 has 980 ap 4620 cr 3777 cd 1618 acc gm46 ice rain and that was 21k dps in hex

[dreamy skiff]

Then hes extremely bad or on 200ms

Wether u wanna accept it or not

[brittle gust]

Idk he shouldn’t play ice if he’s high ping

[solid kestrel]

also a char player or ice rain?
i have no clue about fm, i don't even know the #1 personally
but every fm i have talked to or see numbers of on our server are not doing great with ice

like why do you all get offended by the numbers i'm posting xd

or asking about more info

[dreamy skiff]

Its plain wrong, thats the issue

[solid kestrel]

it is not wrong on my server o-o

[dreamy skiff]

Skill issue, like i said. Just because ppl cannot play properly doesnt mean the class is THAT bad

[silent moon]

Ice FM. Dont know much about FM but Char should have a higher ceiling if played correctly and any good FM would outdps a summ.

[solid kestrel]

and telling me that does what?

[dreamy skiff]

Telling u that your previous statement is false

[solid kestrel]

but it is clearly not false because that is the case on my server

[dreamy skiff]

lots of propaganda in the class channels

[dreamy skiff]

Can u read? Being bad doesnt mean that the class is worse

[solid kestrel]

that's what i thought too but from all the numbers i've seen of people on my server... idk

[solid kestrel]

just trying to talk to people and get smarter seems to not be your strength ;/
maybe you should stop trying to attack people and just talk numbers instead

[silent moon]

might be high ping or not playing right with boost etc. dunno. any of the FMs i play with regulary are ice and outdps me by 5-10k. and thats talking with similar gear in mind

[dreamy skiff]

I do know what im talking about, unlike 99% of ppl in this game unfortunately.

[solid kestrel]

play with as in dps with a summoner in the party or without? since that 21k on fm was without summoner at hex

[silent moon]

cant talk about hex, havent done that. but on mujin if i just ditch any supportskills and do raw sunflower dps im at 20-21k. My ice FMs are at 28-30k

[solid kestrel]

i do 26k at mujin, hornet

same p2w as my fm friends

gap isnt that big for us

and at hex they seem to do worse atm

[dreamy skiff]

What do your ice fms do on mujin with those stats?

[lean juniper]

26k at mujin

whats your stat and skill stacks?

[solid kestrel]

give me a moment i'll have to check old logs

[dreamy skiff]

Sure

[steel python]

We need to pin Nia's stats and DPS because this argument happens like twice a week

[solid kestrel]

like 970 ap 4500 cr 3200 cd gm34 hornet is when i did 26k dps

[solid kestrel]

[lean juniper]

ok

[solid kestrel]

i'm open about it, i whale xd but so do the people i know

[steel python]

There's 0 chance Summ beats FM

Your server is dead

I was rank 8 yesterday

With 300 AP

[dreamy skiff]

Okay i can outdps by 4k dps with 910 AP 26gm 3,2CDMG. So theres that

[solid kestrel]

lol i saw that only 8 summoners were at wb after maintenance

[steel python]

Exactly

[solid kestrel]

and what does that tell me? like i don't understand what you're trying to do here

[silent moon]

well wb is a bad way to measure. why would you go to wb if you cant get top5 anyways

[steel python]

BNS SSF

[dreamy skiff]

Uff

[solid kestrel]

pummel was saying his fms are doing 28-30k at mujin, i don't know their stats but if they are similarly geared as me, i'm at 26k on summoner
what do you do with your statement, are you a fm player? you never said anything at all besides these weird comments...

[silent moon]

he's one of the FMs i run with and he does about 30k. thats what he meant by that.

[solid kestrel]

pulled a random log, 28k ice FM at mujin

[solid kestrel]

i see owo thanks, now it finally makes sense

[dreamy skiff]

Do u have the ice rain hits and the timer?

[solid kestrel]

3:19 616 ice rain

gm24 now, i don't remember if they got more since then, log was from a couple days ago

[dreamy skiff]

Not terrible, but theres lots to be improved. U can get 3.5 rain/s+ if u play properly in there. The FM in your party did 3.09 rain/s.

[solid kestrel]

here's another log from 2 days ago

[dreamy skiff]

Same rates as the previous one roughly

[solid kestrel]

is that 3.5 latency dependent? though i believe they have pretty good ping

[dreamy skiff]

Whats their ping? Any idea roughly?

[solid kestrel]

should be below 20 i think, i can ask if they're on again

[dreamy skiff]

Its both gameplay and ping dependant

Then they can improve easily to 3.3 rain/s+

Especially considering u hit the shadow a couple times

Best they can do is go to dummy and see if they can get to 3.8+ rain/s

Although thats not the maximum but a good point

[solid kestrel]

ok, i'll tell them to get good and cast more
at least if that's the case then it looks less like a class issue

but why is it like every fm on my server though

[dreamy skiff]

Well, most ppl on eu have the same issue

Part of it is ping, another part is boost rotation and the next is macro or the lack of thereof

[silent moon]

trust me, whenever i run with any other then my trusty FMs and see my dps compared to theirs i feel proud but i also wanna cry
its just the 1% of FMs that can play

[solid kestrel]

that'd mean all the fms on my server have skill issue

but i'll tell my friends to try and reach 3.5 ice/s and see what they can tell me about it owo

also thanks for your input owob

[minor sun]

I don't bother with wb anymore after every1 got purp sunflower can't beat them with my blues

[solid kestrel]

join team hornet :3

but you'll probably join purple suns with bp?

[minor sun]

Soon free purp sunflower

[solid kestrel]

wonder if i'll mange to hold top 5 as hornet with everyone getting 6gm

[dreamy skiff]

3.5/s on mujin is very hard admittedly btw

[dreamy skiff]

np apologies for the rude comments, not having the best day

[sharp wedge]

16 blue boxes, 2 purple boxes out of 18 fuses... fml

[solid kestrel]

do you mind sharing some of your luck? :3

[tawdry orbit]

i need to cry a bit

[sharp wedge]

The thing is, I was going for focus grab and fragments for legendary

[solid kestrel]

and now you sadly have to sell and make lots of money

[sharp wedge]

No I will use them

I've been trying to buy them for several weeks now but no one is selling for reasonable price

[solid kestrel]

oh no, that sounds even worse D:

[tawdry orbit]

lol

destroying 80-100k gems, y go a head 😄

[sharp wedge]

I mean use them as is equip them, not use them for fragments 😄

[tawdry orbit]

fuf

dont scary me plz 😄

[deep marsh]

your numbers don't add up, I don't know how your math works, but not like this or is the last line not the average?
and at the hive test shouldn't there be many more hits, because the cat attacks all the time and you don't have to let it sit?
or did you delete the cat dmg? you can't even do that bc that would be the benefit of running hive focus
and why are the hive tests always 6sec longer? to implement the dps dip (pedal/hive on CD your dps drops and spikes again when you use it), so the pedal looks higher?

[sharp wedge]

Anyone need?

[dusty yarrow]

• Last line is difference
• But there was an average of 9 more hits
• Cat hitting free
• All test were 1 minute

In this image I used the median function from sheets, but using =sum()/5, the difference is greater.

[vestal sage]

Hello friends. It seems Honey buff extends Overflow state by 0.2s. When I use Honey buff right before going into Overflow state, Overflow usually tends to decrease slowly overtime. However, I noticed that if I use Honey buff right before Overflow is about to end, in >1s left, it will never run out as long as I'm hitting something with SSF. So that made me think I want to use Honey buff right before Overflow ends, to extend Overflow as long as possible.

For EX: Overflow 5s -> 1s remaining, use Hiveswarm for 4s Honey buff, and it will last for the whole Honey buff duration.

If my line of thinking is correct, then I'd assume you want to use Honey buff right before Overflow ends, to maximize uptime, rather than at the beginning.

This makes me ask: Is anyone able to animation cancel 2 (Drain) with Sunflower consistently? Or even Hiveswarm?

Even before this update, I would have trouble animation cancelling Gimme Light with Sunflower. And right now, Hiveswarm seems easy enough to animation cancel into a sunflower, but sometimes I would mess it up.
(And if you messit up, Overflow would disappear, and you waste your Honey buff in a non-overflow state)

[spiral dagger]

just use this before overflow, duration time should be the same like u use it at the end

[vestal sage]

Hmm, I'm not sure, I'm using Doom n Gloom at 8 Photo stacks, and with 6s Honey buff + 5s Overflow, it doesn't seem to last too long. Feels like 7-9s. I could be wrong.

Try it yourself, it really does seem like you get a longer overflow state using it at the end.

[deep marsh]

I don't mean the very last line, I mean the last line in both tests
and yes, median is not the same as average, with such a small number of tests median is not the best choice
and your tests were not all 1 minute long (dmg/dps)
Pedal: 60,23s; 60,49s; 60,42s; 60,49s; 60,23s
Hive: 67,06s; 65,99s; 66,41s; 65,74s; 64,79s
if the tests were always 60s then the first Hive line would be 1555347/60s=25922,45 DPS
and the strange part is that you have two times the exact same line at Pedal
and the median is the same line, but crit is different? don't know how this works tbo

[deep marsh]

this sounds buggy?

[dusty yarrow]

• this repeated line was a mistake indeed
• this dps data was taken directly from dps meter
• so there may be a small divergence because some poison stack is still causing damage or the briar is still active
• so the best data to take into account is the total damage

using =sum()/5:

W/ Petal 1.538.801,20 25.485,56 250,20 59,70
W/ Hive 1.441.646,40 21.834,88 257,60 60,28

Difference -97.155 -3.651 7 1

[deep marsh]

what he wrote before sounded strange, but I thought they just gave us the 1s buff

[brittle gust]

Ice fm is weak at new content cuz u don’t crit

Vs a higher target much

[dusty yarrow]

I'll add in this test DnR vs DnG honey

DnR did strangely better

[deep marsh]

then fix your hive dps pls
if every test should be 60s hive average dps would be 24.027,44, that is what i would say is what pedal is adding tbo

[deep marsh]

bc you dont delay hornet, its obvious

[deep marsh]

and if you test no DNG/DNR and Briar, hive should be more dps than pedal bc you getting 2 or 3 more hornet books

[dusty yarrow]

if I remove the last line of both tests to correct the error of the repeated line of the petal
use =sum()/4 now
and for dps =damage / 60

petal is still better

[deep marsh]

right, it should be a little bit better, bc you are using DNG/DNR

if you use hive you dont need that and you dont need cat q

[dusty yarrow]

I used DnG in both

hive I dont active cat q

[deep marsh]

but you shouldnt use it and slot 2 more hornets

[dusty yarrow]

only hammer on cd

[deep marsh]

and if you dont use cat q you could slot 1 more hornet

[dusty yarrow]

I changed that later.

[dusty yarrow]

+/-

q cat help the melee dps

if I only focus on my dps, it's better to just remove it

[deep marsh]

melee dont need that, tbo

[dusty yarrow]

tell that to the animals I catch in pug

[deep marsh]

They also have to cope with their focus when there is no summoner around, so this "short" time and "little" focus doesn't matter, besides they're always running around and pushing the aoe's towards each other anyway.

[true stirrup]

petal storm toss is big dmg on my summoner, Kabloom is like my 2nd highest damage after hornets lol

has to be purple toss though

otherwise useless

[chrome epoch]

pls SUNFLOWER

[dusty yarrow]

gl

[true stirrup]

WTB Hornets nest

[chrome epoch]

BRUH

[true stirrup]

petal toss good if you are hornets

[deep marsh]

and my testing was, just don't use pedal, it adds complexity for little to no gain, just more you need to press and what you need to focus on
especially if you are briefly distracted (0.5s?) and don't get 5 but only 4 kabloom

[steel python]

Fusel is EU

[true stirrup]

rosethorn photo kinda uh

[steel python]

Pretty sure

[chrome epoch]

well its in market now

😦

[true stirrup]

what you just add 3 to the TRT macro on hornets

TRT3

itll do the petaling for you

[dusty yarrow]

like that

[steel python]

I actually lose one kabloom sometimes cuz ping

Back when I used toss

Tilted me so much

[deep marsh]

yea its just ass

it adds nothing

[steel python]

Mathematically though, honey is not that great

[deep marsh]

you loos cat dmg, fokus, hornet stacks and more

[steel python]

For purple hornets it's 9% AP increase

So it's basically 9% more dps while it's up

[dusty yarrow]

I really expected more from honey

[true stirrup]

i mean thats pretty good

[steel python]

Toss is about 10% more damage

I'm sure you can check your logs

[true stirrup]

Toss is good Niji uses toss

[steel python]

Yeah I got the 10% figure from him

[deep marsh]

it isnt

[steel python]

So IF (and this isn't the case) honey was up 100% of the time, it would still lose to toss

[deep marsh]

it could, if you dont need cat q and/or dng/dnr briar

[true stirrup]

you dont need DNG / briar on hornets

[deep marsh]

if you use pedal, you need it

[steel python]

Factor in that honey is less than 50% uptime and you're looking at a massive difference purely damage wise

[true stirrup]

i can focus sustain with only cat Q and virtuous mystic

[deep marsh]

it just costs focus

[true stirrup]

Petal storm restores focus if you have decent crit and your kablooms crit more than 50% of the time

[steel python]

You can 100% sustain toss

Mantras help a ton

[true stirrup]

it costs 1 to Kabloom, restores 2 focus on crit

[steel python]

Get some purple focus mantras and you're set

[true stirrup]

each crit kabloom is net 1 focus

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

each non-crit kabloom is net -1

if you have more than 50% crit you net positive on focus usage

if you starve just put cat in Q for a few seconds to restore your focus

then have it exit Q early when you arent starved from the unlucky no crit chain

[deep marsh]

pedal+5x kabloom is 7 focus, 50% crit you gain back 5 always a loss of 2 focus

[true stirrup]

but you should have around 60-65% crit

[deep marsh]

where? poha?

[steel python]

I'm 61% pretty much everywhere up to BSH2

At lv54

[true stirrup]

im lvl 53 and crit like 57-59% on hae mujin on my summoner with mantras rolled into crit %

lmao

[steel python]

I've ran with him before, he's doing fine

[true stirrup]

oh and one focus mantra purple + blue

[steel python]

I can vouch

[true stirrup]

just gotta space out the mystic badge proc

with the photosynthesis

and cat Q if you are starving

try not to mystic and photosynthesis proc at same time

kinda wastes mystic proc

i tried using no cat Q and X skill instead but the cat will just die on hae mujin if i cant Q it lol

[deep marsh]

okay, i think my crit is just to low and i dont have focus mantra, thats why it feels just ass

[steel python]

Focus mantra is huge

It's insane how good it is