Summoner

[severe cargo]

[solid kestrel]

why do you think people will sell hornets? o;

replace paw and heat ray

[sharp wedge]

WTB Sunflowers (EU)

[quartz wind]

thx for the advice will swap them over once I get more of them sunflower duplicates

[spiral dagger]

I think heat ray is good until purple sunflower - faster overflow = more hits = more dmg

[brittle gust]

I doubt u will get invited if ur hornet next patch to low dmg

Unless ur in a carry party

[solid kestrel]

hmm yeah you might be right, it's blue sunflower o:

[solid kestrel]

i believe you're underestimating the def reduction that hornets can keep up better than sunflower o:

for new content it'll be even more important

[quartz wind]

dont know why they linked the def reduction to one playstyle but probably balance issues

can still get def reduction but not as reliably as dependant on smothering paw for them stacks

[maiden flint]

Can't u make a good sunflower build (maybe expensive) to still keep hammer uptime and do more DPS

Lunge, thorn, gloom.. idk what else gives poison, can't u keep up photosynthesis without rosethorn?

[solid kestrel]

running out of focus is the issue, i believe

[quartz wind]

maybe purple doom n root with the 18 second cd

[severe cargo]

If the boss doesnt poop on your cat, Prickly stance (With counters yellow aoes to reset its cd), Lunge, Doom n Root will net you a pretty decent def down uptime

Thats what im running and its working decently for me

[quartz wind]

thx for the input here, been trying to be more optimal without swapping to hornet nest as too used to sunflower from bns live

[solid kestrel]

checking your logs, you have like 50% the amount of strike casts compared to me o:

i get about 50-55 casts in a 3:30 mujin fight
your logs show 21, 18, 22, 19, 23 in ~3 min fights

if you consider me sometimes refreshing early it's roughly 50%

hmm something doesn't seem to add up, 50 casts every time it's off cd would be 400 sec already in a 210 sec fight, that doesn't make sense

[patent briar]

purple strike hits 3 times in the logs

blue hits twice I think

[solid kestrel]

ahh, ok that makes sense, he has blue i have purple

so ~10 casts compared to ~15 (same timeframe)

[fiery cape]

hornet dmg reduce next patch?

[minor sun]

If we get honey buff should upgrade

No1 knows not even the devs xD

[chrome epoch]

WTB: purp Sunflower EU

[zinc vault]

hornet players all play sunflower now, cant even mess around on world boss

[solid kestrel]

yea all except for me, big cope here

[chrome epoch]

@lament skiff thanks for the gems

[amber briar]

i bid 45k for that

[chrome epoch]

you guys are crazy

[lament skiff]

I'd like to thank the academy, and someone persuading me to sell an EP book

[chrome epoch]

EP book?

[outer hamlet]

was this gold SF or WB staff ?

[lament skiff]

Electro-Pierce for sin

[chrome epoch]

Dragon horn accessory

Emraell bought for 55k

[lament skiff]

-# Shadowstone fodder

[chrome epoch]

Casual 550€ fodder

A bit less i spend in game so far

[outer hamlet]

oh i though it was some majore upgrade but just the usual

[lament skiff]

I would say a legendary box would be an inefficient use of money but I rolled for mine so

[chrome epoch]

What box?

Skill box?

[lament skiff]

WB can drop a legendary skill but I've never seen one

[chrome epoch]

Wait what where does this even show

[lament skiff]

When the 10min cd for the spawn appears on your screen

The drops are shown when you hover over it, like when you do for dungeons on the world map

[chrome epoch]

Will take a closer look next time

[lament skiff]

I'll see if I can find the link on yast

[sinful cove]

1 day until opening the Heroic Skill Box of dissapointment from speedrun event o.o

[amber briar]

WTS EU ****

[river light]

WTB Purple Sunflower - NA PM!

[serene grotto]

Whats the price in NA now

[gusty kiln]

Last 3 I saw on f5 were 55,555, 54,888 and 50,000

[rose juniper]

Did someone price fixing? the last time I saw its 35-40k

[patent briar]

for purple sunflower? never seen it that low

[gusty kiln]

The 54,888 and 50,000 ones were on f5 like 4 hours ago

Either sold or cancelled not expired, they had plenty of time left

[solid kestrel]

lowest i've seen purple sun on NA was 50k and always sold fast

past few days they've been around 55k as rayford has seen

[gusty kiln]

Sums keep quitting and stackers keep buying up the books and gear

WTB cr cd x3 mantra poh ring NA pmo

[steel python]

Are there any purple hornets up?

Still 20k?

[gusty kiln]

Pretty sure two of those expired twice already

[steel python]

[barren drum]

Be the Bee

[gusty kiln]

They would sell in 20 minutes at 17k

[steel python]

That's gonna sell for sure

[patent briar]

tbh I've only seen 1 summoner stacking purple sunflowers

[gusty kiln]

niubility right

quite a few have x2 copies now though

compared to like 2 weeks ago

[rigid delta]

hes got like 40gm points and doesn't get r1

[gusty kiln]

Might not be in a sum stacking party

Here's to hoping we all get bound purple flower tomorrow 🍻

[rigid delta]

purp flower you shouldnt need a summoner stacking party

you always can overflow without downtime

[minor sun]

knowing my luck ima get purple rumblebees

or my 5th doon n bloom

[rigid delta]

it is

well

you need 1 bm

to hmb and you're good

or bd

[shy pond]

one of those are mine, you'd be surprised but they are selling at 20k 👀

i stopped listing 2 at a time, the other sold a couple days ago.

[gusty kiln]

I know one sum bought x4 at about 20k each within the last week. Maybe theyre the one that bought yours

[shy pond]

i dont play the game anymore so i just login randomly to relist it

[chrome epoch]

Wtb purple sunflower EU

[ocean quarry]

wts NA taking offers

[solid kestrel]

i got my hands on a sunflower and i'm so bad at this, how do you all manage to not run out of focus o:

[steel python]

That's why pretty much every sunflower summ has all focus related skill/books

That thing eats focus

If you don't need cat for pin or kd, you should always keep it recalled and sleeping

[solid kestrel]

you dont lunge poison?

only have a moonwater badge right now and blue dng, but even with hive and daybreak i always run out of focus

[ocean quarry]

your 2 skill with mystic badge, pet def increase with focus regen

[solid kestrel]

i'm already using everything except for cat q since im trying to apply lunge poison

no poison no def reduction
and no def reduction means sun is doing worse in dungeons than hornet o:

[ocean quarry]

most people just run rosethorn lmb

using tab lunge is part of the reason why ur out of focus

and not standing in your pet q

[steel python]

So I've mainly seen summs go two ways with sunflower

Prickly + 1 lmb and def hammer and you get like 50% uptime

Or just stack more sunflowers and do more damage

Ignore def hammer

[gusty kiln]

We need a purple crouching tiger so I can stack 2 for the -1 second

[chrome epoch]

get all Focus recovery you can, mantra can help too. purple daybreak, purp doom and gloom, cat focus recovery and hive swarm very good for sunflower

[chrome epoch]

i do Lunge + prickly for 5 stacks and def down

[steel python]

Idk I'm not a fan of lunge at all

Interrupts your cat sleep

With the venom rosethorn buff coming up, I think it's even worse

[chrome epoch]

never heared of that, tell me more

[steel python]

At purple, it'll refresh the poison duration at 5

[chrome epoch]

ah i still dont know why it never refreshes

[steel python]

So there's no more watching your def hammer window go away while your cat is knocked up in the air

It's so dum

It should be default

[chrome epoch]

yes

thats dumb

[steel python]

Like every other class has it but we need purple book to get it????

[gusty kiln]

Oh my bound venomous might come out of retirement then. Thanks for info dodo

[steel python]

No problem

Now if you get Lego def hammer

Send here

[chrome epoch]

i only knew about honey buff and better super sunflower duration

and scaling with hp and acc

[gusty kiln]

If I get lego def hammer it’s getting salvaged for the 500 gold reroll

[chrome epoch]

p2w

[steel python]

Brother I will pay like

Idk how much

I need that thing

[chrome epoch]

when do you guys even get to use LMB LMAO

iam on perma hold RMB xD

[steel python]

It's for me

I'm hornets

[chrome epoch]

ye for hornet it makes sense

but idk if dps is enough for coming dungeons

i barely do 20-21k at mujin

new dungeon wants me to do 25k+

[steel python]

That should enough for highland I think, especially if you do have def hammer

Like barely?

And for lab you can cleave fujin and raijin so you can argue you're set there

[chrome epoch]

def down is always timed with prickly stance cd or when i reset it with counter

[steel python]

(I have not done enough research)

[wet jacinth]

You can't

The 2 boss part has no enrage timer

[steel python]

Oh no

[wet jacinth]

The fused boss after is the issue

[chrome epoch]

is that even final boss?

[steel python]

[solid kestrel]

i don't really get it, people keep saying sun > hornet
and doom talk hornet sum for next patch in dungeons
but i don't see it at all, currently i do (on single target) roughly the same damage on hornet as a sun player and i can keep full def down uptime
given i have more purple books stacked and sun will scale better in the future with cheaper purple books
but you sacrifice so much def reduction for barely more dps?

[steel python]

We're screwed

[solid kestrel]

sure i'm new to sun and managing focus will get better over time, still i don't see how one's supposed to apply as much def reduction as a hornet would

[steel python]

You're supposed to just do big dmg

[chrome epoch]

there is big sunflower buff incoming uwu

[steel python]

My clannies do more damage than I do even when I account for def reduction party dps

[solid kestrel]

personal dps at mujin is like 22-23k, if you add 5x 2k dps from def reduction that's 32k
show me a sun player with same personal dps o: even crispy chicken (highest uploaded log) only did 25.5k without applying def reduction

[chrome epoch]

can i see ur stats?

[steel python]

Chibi

[shadow plank]

I do ~20k at Mujin but as Hornet player

[wet jacinth]

2 playstyles...

1. Sunflower, you drop EVERYTHING you can and just go sunflower + a bit of poison.
2. Hornet, You take utility and hornets and do mechanics+utility.

[steel python]

Also thing is you can only have 1 def hammer summ in a party

[solid kestrel]

i p2w so on hornet: 962 ap, 4370 cr, 3279 cd

[shadow plank]

I mainly do more/same dmg than any Purple Sunflwoer with lower 10 stack

[wet jacinth]

do remember, If u hammer u remove poison so you remove your extra dps from sunflower.

[steel python]

Yeah

[solid kestrel]

but why do people say sun > hornet for next patch?

[steel python]

That's why I grab prickly

[solid kestrel]

it is totally the opposite then o:

[steel python]

Honey buff is insane

And hornets just get .5 ratio added

[wet jacinth]

Purple sunflower (atm) does a bit more dmg then Hornet.
Hornet will get buffed more with Honey then sunflower, so it'll even out.

Leggy sunflower is better tho

[gusty kiln]

The extended overflow is like 4 extra awakened flowers right

[solid kestrel]

no even currently hornet > sun in single target dungeon (like mujin) for overall party dps

[steel python]

I don't think it's going to be too insane, unless it scales with GM

[chrome epoch]

how much GMs

[solid kestrel]

34

[chrome epoch]

16 GM is lots of stacking already iam only at 10 for Sunflower and on 21k dps

[steel python]

[solid kestrel]

[wet jacinth]

[chrome epoch]

if i remove purple ankle for another purple flower i go up to 23-24k dps on flower

[shadow plank]

Yeahbut i'm Hornet and do around same as you

[wet jacinth]

purple ank?

lelz

[chrome epoch]

dude thats crazy

[wet jacinth]

dafuq

[solid kestrel]

it's just 5 purple hornet books owo cheaper than someone with 2 suns lol

[chrome epoch]

i remove it when i get copies of sunflower

iam not crazy p2w like others lul

[wet jacinth]

Just take a blu sunflower xd

[chrome epoch]

ye today

why should i pay when i can take one from chest today

[solid kestrel]

i could sell my purple sun right now and get GM 46 hornet owo it's not that bad

[chrome epoch]

ur on NA right?

[solid kestrel]

yeah

[steel python]

Yeah

[chrome epoch]

god bless there is not so many p2w summs here in EU

and i still have chances xD

[steel python]

Too many here

[solid kestrel]

i'm just trying to understand why people keep saying sun > hornet D: i really don't see it, especially after testing it out myself

[chrome epoch]

compare

same gms

you will notice

[steel python]

I mean who has similar gear to you

[solid kestrel]

all the top sums at wb

[wet jacinth]

Usually just prefference ngl

[steel python]

Yeah so compare to Chibi

[solid kestrel]

this was last night's wb

[steel python]

Oh yeah you're Viridian

[solid kestrel]

but that is with a hornet summoner in your party

if you're alone you won't pull 30k

[gusty kiln]

WTB x3 mantra CR CD LEGO Bracelet NA

[chrome epoch]

some p2w sums were not participating yesterday in EU Moonwater

[shadow plank]

why i'm not there 😦 how to get in ?

[wet jacinth]

In Korea they often bring 2 summoners, One FULL dps sunflower+smothering paw and One hornet with defdown and utility.
The sunflower summ is there to pump dmg and rotate cat pins.

Sunflower summs don't bring utility there.

[steel python]

That's like 2-3 weeks ago, I'm pretty sure Chibi got some upgrades

Actually I know they did

It's a close comparison tbh

[shadow plank]

on Hae Mujin yesterday

[chrome epoch]

okay thats good actually

iam on 21k but only 10 GM points on Sunflower

so missing like 11% dmg

[solid kestrel]

do you def reduction with that 21k? owo

[chrome epoch]

when prickly is up ye

[steel python]

Also now that I think of it, I think a lot of people are comparing WB rankings when they say that

[chrome epoch]

lunge+prickly into def down

i dont care my extra dps with 5 stacks when iam only summ

[steel python]

Since hornets gets destroyed in wb

[solid kestrel]

ofc wb ranking sun will deal more damage because you always have poison stacks

[chrome epoch]

thats so nice 😄

[wet jacinth]

Wb is so absolutely pointless it's hilarious

[solid kestrel]

but in dungeons? o: i don't see it at all being better, just worse unless you have a hornet friend

[shadow plank]

not so much but even with a dont have focus problem

[steel python]

You're asking why people are saying sunflower > hornets and that's probably why

[shadow plank]

there was another sum on the party but def- was only 80% of all the fight time

[chrome epoch]

sunflower is way more fun to play

[wet jacinth]

In Korea sunflower summs destroy Dragonchar fm's if anybody cares.
The hornet summ does all the work tho, sunflower just afks and hobba hobba

[steel python]

I think comparing the two dungeon wise are very close

[chrome epoch]

it actually requires skill and timing to do it right

[solid kestrel]

but then also if you do 30k as a sun hornet... i'm pretty sure my clan's geared people do more than 30k on other classes
so instead of playing sun, just be a hornet and buff your other friends :D

[steel python]

My gripe is comparing hornets with any BM

[chrome epoch]

there are summs with 2 purple sunflowers and less dps

[wet jacinth]

Don't do that to yourself

I have 1 pp puncture and i'm at 26k mujin

[steel python]

Like if you do 25k hornets with 10k party dps

Like the top 5 BMs will mog that

[chrome epoch]

you can do dps and def down as sun whats ur point xD

[solid kestrel]

ehh, also depends on your pc and so on, luck with orbs at bosses, the wb ranking i posted i know at least someone has 2 purple sun and the other even 3

[solid kestrel]

you don't get the same uptime on def reduction as sun as you get with hornet, overall it seems less party dps to me?

[chrome epoch]

oh i have new PC

[wet jacinth]

Bms are littarly saying, Bring me Def down and Focus and 10k is enough for Tree.
They'll take care off the rest

[steel python]

Yeahhh

[wet jacinth]

I agree with them ngl

[steel python]

I ran a dungeon with timestream bm

Then they added me

[wet jacinth]

Nanaya? xD

[steel python]

I'm NA

[wet jacinth]

Ah

[chrome epoch]

what server is that

[steel python]

But they have uhh

[solid kestrel]

viridian, NA

[steel python]

Like 8 purple puncture?

[chrome epoch]

having above 1% no population?

[steel python]

Or higher

Books not gm

[solid kestrel]

we're just all p2w summoners

but also lower population

[chrome epoch]

can u share ur my info

iam curious

[steel python]

HR summs are a whole new tier idk

[chrome epoch]

ah thats probably it

[gusty kiln]

Awakened time stream sheeeesh icecream

[steel python]

I'm saying this as someone who went from Viridian to HR

[solid kestrel]

i removed some books to test out sun so def values don't align, shouldn't affect ap or crit though, gm34 hornet

[steel python]

Oh when did icecream get awk?

[gusty kiln]

Yesterday

[steel python]

I wanna see next ranking

[chrome epoch]

okayokay thats close to mine

[steel python]

Oh

[gusty kiln]

Or day before maybe I forgot

[chrome epoch]

but i only have 10 GM purple sunflower

[solid kestrel]

you're a sun player? what's your dps at mujin without another summoner (hornet) :3 and how's the def reduction uptime?

[steel python]

Damn Chibi just barely beat him

[chrome epoch]

with another hornets a lot higher. def uptime depends on boss movement and my own skill to intentionally take counters to reset prickly

but its not perma def down.

[steel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1367177799961542838/1374583661135138866/image.png?ex=682e944b&is=682d42cb&hm=4e89034efe8c0961b243adcd3eae6d0b20855b709062a474edb6317402f88298&

[solid kestrel]

i mean without another summoner, just your own contribution

[chrome epoch]

thats high population server?

[steel python]

Yeah

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[steel python]

Look how close that is

[chrome epoch]

so close to ours

[gusty kiln]

Or it was until 4-6 really geared sums quit/rerolled within 2 weeks

[chrome epoch]

20-21k

[steel python]

It's all meaningless since bosses die at different rates

[cyan oasis]

hello world use a macro for the earth summoner?

[steel python]

Gotta get the dps of one of them

[chrome epoch]

@solid kestrel can show u my stats later

[steel python]

Yona and Nana quit I think

[chrome epoch]

i also run besties for heal and purple ankle for easy KDs

[steel python]

[gusty kiln]

And soori quit and ina rerolled back to kfm

[steel python]

I have Yona's prickly and Nana's belt

[wet jacinth]

Dw half the game is quitting next week

[solid kestrel]

which is roughly the same dps i'd do if i had less GM, but i apply more def reduction increasing overall party dps

[steel python]

I'm collecting stuff from everyone who quits

[chrome epoch]

thats probably stuff that hornets skip to stack more to have enough dps?

[gusty kiln]

I bought wep neck belt glove off the quitters

[steel python]

gotta survive in their memory

[chrome epoch]

how much u do as hornets? and what was your GM?

[steel python]

Also

[chrome epoch]

dude chill xD

[gusty kiln]

The whales are the ones gambling millions of gems for gold book

[solid kestrel]

23k at mujin, gm 34 owo

[gusty kiln]

We’re dolphins here

[wet jacinth]

I am plankton then if u guys are dolphins

[steel python]

is that thesis

[chrome epoch]

but for 34 isnt that giga low? xd

[steel python]

I saw a lego rumblebees and vine whip

[gusty kiln]

There’s been 4+ people dropping over a mil gems

[solid kestrel]

100ms :) so account for 10-15% dps loss from that

[gusty kiln]

Still no gold flower on our server

[chrome epoch]

oh your that weird person from Eu playing Na?

[shadow plank]

Ah yeah i forgot to mention my ms is under 10

[steel python]

So is it just thesis collecting their stuff?

[solid kestrel]

yes that weird person is me :D

[chrome epoch]

not meant to be toxic btw

[solid kestrel]

no problem XD

[steel python]

Don't spill your coffee

You'll crash the server

[gusty kiln]

Don’t think thesis bought anything off the quitters. Except maybe the 2nd purple flower

[shadow plank]

I'm from France near Germany

[steel python]

Oh I meant the legendary books

[gusty kiln]

Someone else bought those don’t worry

[steel python]

[chrome epoch]

Also as hornet u play manually or macro?

As sun i do everything manually

[steel python]

Macro is great

[solid kestrel]

i'm just having a hard time keeping focus as sun so i don't get how people would be able to apply def reduction

and in return i fail to understand how sun > hornet

[gusty kiln]

As Sun I usually party with a 2nd sun and we both play melee sharing our q 3 and x

[chrome epoch]

Hmm maybe i should start streaming and show ppl my trash sunflower gameplay

[solid kestrel]

sure owo i'll take any sun tips before i sell this book again to stack gm54 hornet xd

[gusty kiln]

Let the hornet or the fm do the ranged bait stuffs

[steel python]

I'm always range bait

[stone aspen]

Same

[steel python]

Free focus on blood mane which is nice

[gusty kiln]

You were a big help in blood mane pug earlier

[steel python]

Hae Mujin more annoying

Oh yeah

You were tanking the whole time

[gusty kiln]

You out dps someone that has double your gm

[steel python]

See that's why hornets is better

Never need to tank

If you're tanking the party is doomed

I have really good stats

Only lacking in levels

[chrome epoch]

dayum how you do that xD

[solid kestrel]

i have 5 more blue hornets to replace -> +20 gm

[gusty kiln]

You’d be 55 if you started heavens reach huh

[steel python]

For sure

[chrome epoch]

what books are u using currently? xd
besides hornet

[steel python]

I started a week into Hae Mujin patch

So 1-53 given that amount of time

[gusty kiln]

That’s really fast no? Did you burn through blessing pots like crazy?

[chrome epoch]

did 55 in just 2 weeks

[steel python]

I had some connections so I basically started bsh at lv48

[chrome epoch]

burned like 100 pots almost

[steel python]

Then did the classic 100 blessing in bsh then all dailies and factions

[chrome epoch]

holy maccaroni xD

[gusty kiln]

8 runs then field bosses or did you just do 9 runs

[steel python]

I do jung and field bosses first

Usually I'm on before my clan

[solid kestrel]

well if you compare hornet to sun books, it's cheap

[steel python]

Did pot like 10? times overall

[gusty kiln]

Yeah you can get 5 hornet for the price of 2 flower

[steel python]

I just never miss faction dailies... Too much XP behind those

[chrome epoch]

iam about to buy my first sunflower purple book, i got mine myself

[steel python]

What's your hornet price Nia?

That you'd buy at

[chrome epoch]

it was 4 weeks of farming to be at like 30k gems

[gusty kiln]

Misty woods alone gives more than blue train and it’s like 12x faster

[steel python]

Yeah

I stopped doing blue trains like 2 days ago

That's how desperate I was for xp

[gusty kiln]

I stopped at lv54

[steel python]

I hate those dungeons

[chrome epoch]

hexwood necklace u p2w

[steel python]

Horrible design

[solid kestrel]

never said i wasnt uwu

[solid kestrel]

around 15k

[gusty kiln]

Been awhile since I seen it at 15 on NA

[steel python]

Yeah

[gusty kiln]

Like maybe 6 weeks even

[chrome epoch]

i did some dolphin p2w too

[solid kestrel]

i used to not spend much money but the past few weeks i have been whaling

[gusty kiln]

Maybe gold focus mantra will fix sunflower hammer focus issues

[chrome epoch]

poor hard earned money

[steel python]

Gold focus mantra very good yeah

[chrome epoch]

iam holding back whaling cause game slowly dies

[wet jacinth]

@lament skiff U gonna go fm?

[solid kestrel]

eh what else am i gonna spend it on

[steel python]

Gacha

[chrome epoch]

idk do you have a house or a car

[solid kestrel]

i sold my car on purpose :D and i don't really want to buy a house

[karmic flint]

Ur wife

[chrome epoch]

waifus are expensive

[solid kestrel]

wtb wife

[lament skiff]

Helping a FM friend out

[wet jacinth]

Woeff

[karmic flint]

Then get a domina?

[solid kestrel]

[chrome epoch]

so many sums are bait

[karmic flint]

Like u are a trap?

Go apply for nia

[chrome epoch]

yes

uwu

[chrome epoch]

cant, iam not cringe player on NA xD

[solid kestrel]

now i'm not just weird but also cringe

[karmic flint]

Nah u are a good trap

[solid kestrel]

i'm a trap? D:

[chrome epoch]

i clearly said iam. thats not targeting you xD

[chrome epoch]

not?

[solid kestrel]

i don't think i'm a trap uwu but who knows

[chrome epoch]

[karmic flint]

I mean ngl u typing style does indicate it a bit xd

[chrome epoch]

am i typing like a trap?

[karmic flint]

Nah on you it was more out of principle xD

[brittle gust]

140k for leg hornet

Maybe 100k

[karmic flint]

https://tenor.com/view/card-flip-swipe-pay-wut-checkout-gif-11170560

[brittle gust]

Sometimes I wish I never a cc

It’s so easier to buy stuff when ur not handing money over

[karmic flint]

Imo they should add the normal trade back

[brittle gust]

Yeh 8% fee sucks ass

[chrome epoch]

isnt that cheap

i mean u can spend 100k gems and end up with still 0 leg

[chrome epoch]

👀

[lament skiff]

My longest streak so far is 10 heroics in a row

It's not a fun streak T_T

[karmic flint]

Still at that point hitting 7/33 is hard rng carried

[karmic flint]

Yes

[lament skiff]

I only have six

[chrome epoch]

6 of 33 is hard p2w and rng blessed

[brittle gust]

U rerolling to fm rae?

[steel python]

Ngl 100k for Lego hornet seems cheap

Not for me but for the whales

I can't afford that

[chrome epoch]

would insta buy as hornet player

[gusty kiln]

It’s dirt cheap. Kami sold beam for 120 and dark wants 150 for annihilate

[chrome epoch]

if u get 1 of 20 considering the 5%

[solid kestrel]

if anyone is selling leg hornet on na pls hmu :3

[steel python]

WTB Lego def hammer

[chrome epoch]

if u buy books for 1500 ea. and get 4 pages on average u would have to pay 375000 gems for a legendary skill chest if u get it after 20 tries

which is the 5% average

[gusty kiln]

Plus 600 gold

[chrome epoch]

i didnt count the gold ye

so paying 100k is cheap as fck

@solid kestrel give it to me

i mean the sunflower*

[gusty kiln]

That’s why the people that have those gold book will salvage and reroll the pages. It’ll be cheaper then continuing the transmute gamble

[solid kestrel]

i got it for 50

[sinful cove]

hi5! me too xD

But to not run out of focus you would need skills that refill it and manage them well like blue: cat crouch , hive swarm, briar patch, doom n gloom (personal preference) purple: daybreak, prickly stance

and the mystic badge

I only run out of focus if i pull aggro and it makes my rotation go to crap xD

[chrome epoch]

ur catching up with chat?

[sinful cove]

yeah xD

[chrome epoch]

it got already said

xD

[sinful cove]

aight xD

back to waiting for my dissapointment from event reward 😄

[chrome epoch]

bruh

i get shiat book again

no worries

[solid kestrel]

i have all of that, some only at blue like moon badge or blue dng but i still keep running out of focus so i dont know o:
feels worse than hornet to me atm

[chrome epoch]

thats why i said, u cant just go yolo sunflower

u gotta play it right too

time the focus recovery stuff right

i do like some mantra focus recovery too.

[sinful cove]

I was thinking about that but 2 focus every 8 sec doesnt seem like much tbh

[chrome epoch]

2 focus is better than no focus

[karmic flint]

Every mantra of that counts seperate afaik

So if u have 3 each can proc once every 8

[shadow plank]

nvm it not work separatly as i see i got baited but petal storm toss

[lament skiff]

I think it's just one instance, the wording suggests the proc chance stacks

[sinful cove]

Does it? It shouldnt, it should only increase a cumulative chance of it to proc once unless i am missunderstanding?

if it would proc separately it would be mad broken tbh

[shadow plank]

but i have 2x 20% but dont get more than 2 focus not 4

[sinful cove]

yeah then it doesnt proc separately

[shadow plank]

but why i dont have 4 focus then

mantra say max 100%

[sinful cove]

Because it doesnt work like that

[lament skiff]

It means the chance to trigger Subu caps at 100%

[sinful cove]

Each seprate mantra has X % chance to proc

[shadow plank]

mhh ok

[sinful cove]

but that chance increases if you stack it, so if you have 4% and 5% you have 9% chance to proc the 2 focus recovery

[steel python]

So you have 40%

With two 20%

[shadow plank]

Ok so i have 42% to proc 2 focus

time to change some mantra later and keep only one 14-15% is enough xD

[lament skiff]

My interpretation is that you can stack up to 100% which guarantees 2 focus every 8s

[wet jacinth]

It stacks

4x 8% chance to recover 2 focus means u have 32% chance to proc 2 focus every 8 secs.

[chrome epoch]

@solid kestrel

[rigid delta]

Photosynthesis rosethorn with purple flower

[solid kestrel]

do you purple sun players manage to hold rmb full time?

[rigid delta]

Yeah

You just rotate your 3 focus skills

And you never have to lmb

You can somewhat do it with blue flower as well

But that involves purple day break

There was a pretty good showcase that showed blue flower not using lmb

And you basically do the same thing with purple flower, but less effort

https://youtu.be/LrKT6yxuYCo?si=UJAFdeJr30KEYkCR

He shows it at the end

[solid kestrel]

thanks, i'll take a look at that :3

uhhh

he's cheating with 3 dummies?

[rigid delta]

No

Targets don't matter

You only get the focus back for one

[solid kestrel]

really? o: when i tested on 3 dummies my overflow would have 0 issues
but if i only had 1 dummy i kept running out even during of

[rigid delta]

Hmmm. That doesnt sound right

[solid kestrel]

maybe just a coincidence, haven't tested much, but at least that was the case for me

[rigid delta]

Because then I'd never run out of chi during twins on hae mujin if that was the case

Cuz with that logic

You would start stacking photosynthesis quicker as well

I also don't play def hammer though. It's so bad with flower

[brittle gust]

@lament skiff u had any offers for the hornet yet ?

[lament skiff]

Three

[brittle gust]

Hmm tempting ngl how’s the dps vs purple sunflower ?

And what’s the highest offer ?

[lament skiff]

140 last I heard

I am not great at hornets

My fingers are trained for use with an IDE

[rigid delta]

purple flower better but bees better to play

flowers getting a huge buff as well keep that in mind

[lament skiff]

I thought honey improves hornet dps too?

[rigid delta]

not as much as flower if I remember right

[lament skiff]

No, super sf is just OP

[spiral dagger]

It’s op cuz u are hitting faster than hornet
Hornet on neo is so slow compared to live version

[lament skiff]

That was my observation

[rigid delta]

they nerfed gcd of bees on neo from like 0.3 to 0.7

and dont even get me started on cat

[lament skiff]

But hornet has access to so many other skills bc its not a focus black hole

[rigid delta]

has access to other skills that dont really accomplish much imo

and then I think we get to a point where we wanna stack legendary bees/flower as much as possible

since the dps checks are insane

[lament skiff]

That's the plan

[karmic flint]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-whale-sharks-gif-26141131

[sinful cove]

if ur gonna be a whale, be a sky whale.

https://tenor.com/view/whale-fantasy-sky-gif-5047289

[lament skiff]

There's a sky whale in throne and liberty I think

[sinful cove]

There is, but its fat and ugly and people step on it

[chrome epoch]

?

[chrome epoch]

rude

[sinful cove]

Where my dissapointment box at so i can get my Shattered Dreams skill book ._.

[karmic flint]

https://tenor.com/view/doboz-szia-integet-zonad-rajz-gif-16269320

[karmic flint]

Maybe in 1h or 2h

[karmic flint]

No?

[sinful cove]

Schroedingers Skill Box......

[karmic flint]

Eggsactly

[rigid delta]

ye

its a useless skill

can just throw another blue sunflower in there

[stiff salmon]

u get focus on crit so if ur hitting 3 dummies that's 3 targets to crit so that's extra focus in of

[rigid delta]

Isn't that kinda irrelevant though

If it's only under overflow

[stiff salmon]

"but if I only had 1 dummy I kept running out even during of"

[rigid delta]

Oh you have to be doing something wrong then

If you're chi starved with overflow

Any time you have 7-8 stack with no chi you should be using doom

[barren drum]

@steel python 🌻 ?

[foggy cedar]

WTB PURPLE HORNET 18K NA

[chrome epoch]

WTB purple Sunflower 15k

[sinful cove]

would it kill them to give soulshield selection chests though xD

[deep marsh]

should we hold it back for the new purple skills?

[lament skiff]

Oh that's a clever idea

[sinful cove]

I heavily doubt they will update existing boxes

[lament skiff]

I'm happy to try

[sinful cove]

i mean yeah, if it doesnt hurt you i dont see why not

[chrome epoch]

guy chilling on legendary sunflower

doesnt need purples anymore he can wait

[deep marsh]

if you have main dmg purple you dont need the stacks that much

[sinful cove]

I am hoping they screw up with the last rewards for event and send a legendary box by accident

[deep marsh]

and the last reward would be 50% to 75% to the next content i think? so

you dont need to wait that long i think

and if, you can still take the others

[chrome epoch]

bruh fck rng

[vestal sage]

WTS NA, on market for 1.7k

[sinful cove]

o.o

yuck

[severe cargo]

Yall better offload your purple sunflowers for cheap now on Na

[sinful cove]

it would be a dumb thing to do considering you get 6 grand points for doubles

[sturdy orbit]

Got purple doom and gloom i’ll take it

[chrome epoch]

thats good

[maiden flint]

so.. at 190ms, stick to hornet with BP or swap to flower, considering im not gonna spend 3k+ /skill for focus/photo books

[minor sun]

Purple book from bp soon

[lament skiff]

Anyone on EU want Anklebiter lol

[forest rivet]

50 dg

[lament skiff]

Fragment fodder it is

[forest rivet]

51dg last offer

[lean juniper]

WTS EU

[knotty rampart]

WTB EU purple and blue sunflowers

[chrome epoch]

@lament skiff lul

[lament skiff]

Yes, what about it?

[chrome epoch]

your right

[lament skiff]

it'll go for hundreds I bet

Assuming it drops

[true stirrup]

If that drops im putting like 150k on it probably

[lament skiff]

Dang

What if it's rumble or vine whatever

Has it dropped in NA? Do we know if it's rng or select?

[chrome epoch]

probably rng box

it doesnt say its selection so it gotta be rng

[lament skiff]

Double weapon for EU

Not a single staff in sight

[chrome epoch]

yoo am i cute?

[amber briar]

@chrome epoch when u got 25k sunflower plz tell me

[chrome epoch]

Oka

[spiral dagger]

very nice

[void glacier]

since next bp will have selection, is it worth to stay on purp hornet and stack that or maybe go for sunflower for more damage?

[forest mica]

gz!

[wet jacinth]

gg Emraell 😂

[maiden flint]

im having doubts about that too, i think this is about the build to go for on sunflower

but maybe half assed sun still beats hornet

[void glacier]

idk, i dont feel myself that weak tbh doing 15-16k on Mujin is not that bad, but always been sunflower on live and yet it seems stronger in here too

[lament skiff]

You can list the box on F5

[void glacier]

but one purp hornet with 5 blue or 1 purp sun with 5 blue? which seems better?

[steel python]

Party dps wise, hornets should beat sunflower with def debuff

But on wb or with a hornets friend sunflower is better

[void glacier]

mostly im the only one summoner in parties

[steel python]

Consider the play style too

Hornets is brain off

[void glacier]

but so hornet is more "supportive" while sunflower is more about dps

[steel python]

Sunflower needs to be proactive

[void glacier]

if i understand well

[steel python]

Yeah

Sunflower is strong enough that a lot of my summoner friends just drop poison and def hammer for more damage

I play with them a decent amount and I'm hornets so it's a bit skewed

[void glacier]

but def hammer work with sun too isnt it?

[steel python]

Yeah but it's annoying to use

-3 focus is not fun, prickly only stacks 4 stacks so you have to use lmb

You use at least 2 book slots

Also you interrupt your cat Q with hammer and that can throw off your focus regen

[sinful cove]

I use prickly purple and doom n root

got rid of lmb

[maiden flint]

did u test same party with and without hammer to see how much they actually get buffed

[steel python]

Yeah I'm thinking dnr good now

Cuz you can insta briar right?

Issue is you need that book slot for briar, I've seen people dropping briar for more sunflowers

[sinful cove]

i stopped using briar book

[steel python]

Have not but it's roughly 5-10% from what I hear (current content)

[chrome epoch]

[steel python]

Then you lost a source of honey from dng and another source of focus, probably fine cuz purple sf

[sinful cove]

yeah i have no focus issues

[steel python]

And you don't have to lock your F for wheel spinning

[sinful cove]

yup

[severe cargo]

Purple Lunge is better than LMB

Also doom n root to stack poisons up to 5 on its own from time to time

[minor sun]

Purp lmb will b useful once we get the buff to it..incase cat ever gets cc'd

[severe cargo]

I dont personally run with LB

chose to stack one more blue sunflower instead

[steel python]

Does anyone have details on hive swarm honey buff in KR?

Does it give you 4s of honey on cast or while standing in it?

Does it affect other summs?

I'd guess no on both but hope yes

[stiff salmon]

they r usually pretty consistent with tooltips (although they are written super bad) so it should be on cast cuz it does not mention range

[steel python]

This is what translate says

So it's a bit ambiguous

Guess it should be on cast since it is the same wording as other honey skills

[severe cargo]

Yeah the honey buff being on cast seems a bit weird for sunflower

Cuz myself most of the times, i dont cast anything during overflow

And I tend to cast things right after overflow, to make sure I dont fall often under 4 focus

[steel python]

Yeah you're going to have to dng to get into overflow

So weird

[severe cargo]

But for Hornet they dont really care

[steel python]

Yeah I'm happy for the extra dmg

I might have to unlock my F key now tho

Actually I'm always range bait so I can't use dng

[solid kestrel]

i hate dng on hornet, might never use it even with honey
also would have to test the dps increase from hive vs petal toss

[stiff salmon]

its 7.8% increase during honey on purple hornet

it does not compare

its not even full hive duration just 4s

4s of 8% increase

its gonna fk ur logs too because it will count as 3 hits instead of 2 hits per hornet with honey up

[steel python]

The log part is gonna be pain

[stiff salmon]

me wondering why this guy has more casts than me but its just because his clown ass is running dng

[prime salmon]

i got daybreak from my random box lol

[severe cargo]

Not bad

Wanna buy a sunflower for 50k btw?

😉

[prime salmon]

too expensive..

i wish it was a purp sunflower but ig daybreak will do ;w;

[ashen monolith]

WTS hornet nest NA

[solid kestrel]

how much

[ashen monolith]

dms>

[prime salmon]

i have someone who may be interested too

ikr ;') ive been waiting for this day

[ashen monolith]

you can lead them to my dms :^)

it always open

[prime salmon]

ok will do

[ashen monolith]

oops

[prime salmon]

LOOOOL u wild

[severe cargo]

So whos the Authority on hornet builds

Asking for a friend

[steel python]

Uhh

what questions

[solid kestrel]

venom rosethorn, drain, petal storm, daybreak, def reduction, stack hornet nest
if you want to be loved get besties, for mujin i also like seed shroud but it's whatever if you have enough hmb in your party or are good at dodging

[severe cargo]

I have seed shroud overflow atm and it also gives hmb so i dont have to change that

Well i mean group stealth

[solid kestrel]

doesn't really make a big difference imo, you get some more focus back with photosynthesis but lose the 1x crit

[severe cargo]

Its just being relegated to an alt so Idc

not worth spending for a purple book

Bruh screw this market, none of the books i wanna grab are there

[rigid delta]

I think I'm the lowest geared purp flower so there should be people higher

I think eu whale did 32k?. But idk if he's the dude with legendary. Since you cant check gear

[barren drum]

Adios amigo

[rigid delta]

Actually I see other na summoners on there as well

Idk what they're doing for rotation then

[severe cargo]

Is there a way for me to see past sales of a specific book

[steel python]

Npe

[severe cargo]

Theres no lunge or prickly stance on market so i have no clue how to price em

I want it to actually sell lol

[steel python]

i got mine for 4k

2 days ago

from friend tho

prickly

lunch is cheap

[severe cargo]

Prickly for 4k and lunge for 2.5k perhaps?

haha that just popped up

[rigid delta]

Also I'm not sure exactly what hornet specs. But don't they drop cat Q and day break

So party is losing dps in a sense that they don't have focus recovery

[severe cargo]

Umm

Nia runs both Q and daybreak

as hornet

[gusty kiln]

WTB Purple Drain NA

[rigid delta]

Ah okay. Never looked into the build

Can that cat even sustain q though

If it's hammer slave

[severe cargo]

Theyre running the Petal Storm toss, instead of hive swarm, so needs the focus recovery elsewhere

[severe cargo]

I mean prolly. Some bosses can be aholes tho

[rigid delta]

Like I see cat get knocked back so much trying to C lmao

[severe cargo]

Use Q to dodge patterns, get some focus spikes in, but cancel it to hammer when needed

What would u suggest then

[rigid delta]

And during hae mujin final phase I imagine it's not really doing Hammer

Or it's gonna die

[severe cargo]

Imma do 5k and 3k and see if someone bites

Ofc,

[solid kestrel]

just drain, daybreak and purple venom is enough to sustain toss

every now and then to dodge boss mechanics you cat q and stand in there for that extra +2

or if your party wants the focus regen it's nice too to have cat q but you don't need to greed it on yourself

[severe cargo]

[maiden flint]

i've been trying to sync hammer and Q, like debuff and then Q so it doesnt get thrown around and buff its up

but most important hornet question, do we change to sunflower with selector

[steel python]

i think we geniunely think we need that -1s cd from gm to properly sync

but that's 2 extra books...

[stiff salmon]

u can hammer the whole time during last phase mujin

im 95% hammer uptime on mujin not rly a problem

[maiden flint]

the few tries i did with my 750ap summoner i was struggling to keep cat alive

like have to res the cat mid dodging the aoes

[severe cargo]

@solid kestrel How much did you pay for yours

[solid kestrel]

3000 because i didn't want to wait longer, it's usually around 2-3k

[severe cargo]

Ok so 7k is a goddamn scam

[solid kestrel]

[sharp wedge]

Wtb purple sunflower eu

[maiden flint]

im like screwing everything up and didnt grab daybreak, but seem to be doing more on hornet + green stacks than 1 blue sun on dummy, dont have the mystic badge either

im testing to see if i grab purple sun from bp, dunno how it plays

probably unfair to compare base sun to 7gm hornet too, but i dont want to regret the selection

[maiden flint]

this is like "the plan", was told dont need briar with gloom, dunno if at purple or blue is enough

[karmic flint]

U must be getting some good things up ur nose

[wise pelican]

better hornet or sunflower?
if heroic skill

[chrome epoch]

Rude

[karmic flint]

Why?

Just stating facts :^)

[karmic flint]

Depends do you wanna ego dps or provide party with higher uptime on defense reduction and some other things

[maiden flint]

idc about my personal dps, just the overall party dps, but allegedly hammer doesnt do much on some classes with high piercing

so idk how to balance that , scuffed flower with some hammer, or 🤏 hornet full hammer

[karmic flint]

Iid say still hornet then on 4man its scuffed bcs less players effected but in general u have an easier time u can do mechanics like the baiting on hae mujin without loosing to much dps or focus on other stuff in general since sunflower aint that easy to play compared to hornet

[prime salmon]

lol i transmuted a purple book and got another daybreak..

[ashen monolith]

nice

how much are you gonna sell it?

[prime salmon]

ty sir, im using it for my alt :p

[ashen monolith]

[wet jacinth]

Don't take fm's or other summs and that's that.

[chrome epoch]

WTB purple Sunflower 25k EU

[uncut fable]

same tbh

[wet jacinth]

Wtb purple hornets/sunflower, I can pay in feet pics
(of google)

[prime salmon]

same

[chrome epoch]

xD

[serene grotto]

Are u in top 10 wb? My server top 10 wb all sunflower.

[prime salmon]

ye nia is top 5

[wet jacinth]

Top 10 in Cinderlands has 4 hornet players aswell

nr 11 (almost 10) is also hornet

[chrome epoch]

Nia has lots of Hornets stacked

[serene grotto]

Hornet is meant to be utility focused. I just dont like the single taeget. Clearing thrash mob is a chore

[steel python]

I was running poh with a hornets friend and they were yelling at me

stop we're both hornets what are you thinking

[serene grotto]

Hornets are just easier to use. No need worry too much on focus and photosynthesis stacks

[gusty kiln]

WTB Purple Drain NA

[solid kestrel]

same stacks of value as someone with like 2 sunflowers :3

[chrome epoch]

Sunflower soooo expensive i farmed 1 month to now have enough money to buy a copy

well iam looking for 25k 😂

@bold ferry what does your reaction mean?

[wet jacinth]

"For Real"

[chrome epoch]

ye

[knotty rampart]

WTS EU

[chrome epoch]

why selling that

👀

[steel python]

https://youtu.be/GwPIGZYDDbk?t=11166

KR hornet summ pov of highland exile

Just in case anyone wants

It's a lot of just dps

[gusty kiln]

Oh sick I need to link this to some peoples

[steel python]

triple summ comp btw

also looks like honey lasts 4s upon hive swarm cast, not while you're in it sadly

and doesnt look like hive swarm shares

sad but completely expected

[chrome epoch]

shares what

[steel python]

with other summs

i didnt think it would but just confirming

[chrome epoch]

The honey buff you mean?

[chrome epoch]

wow the person is clicking so fast

[steel python]

[chrome epoch]

i mean how are people having fun just using a macro...xD

[wet jacinth]

Cuz it is fun

[chrome epoch]

isnt it just watching the boss and move a bit around

[wet jacinth]

To not have carpettunnel

[chrome epoch]

just get used to it kekw

[wet jacinth]

It's undeniable you do more dmg with a macro while not suffering from broken finger joints

And it doesn't take anything away from the combat for most ppl

[steel python]

For me, i'm not the best mechanically but i pay attention to my team hp and where my focus eaters are

combine that with def hammer

and its a decent amount

[wet jacinth]

Holding a macro on hornet is the same as holding RB on sunflower.
Doesn't change the fact you still gotta do other stuff

[steel python]

also having to bail your cat out from cc

[wet jacinth]

We aren't all ice fm's that just hold one button

[steel python]

I like using a macro so i can pay better attention to things

I'm always range bait as well

[gusty kiln]

Dodo bait best bait

[steel python]

[chrome epoch]

it kinda removes all skill if u just use macro, idk if you can use macro as sunflower...probably not

[steel python]

Not enough braincells to move around so im predictable

Dont think you can macro sunflower

maybe lego sunflower

[wet jacinth]

Pressing lb-rb rapidly is not "skilled"

So stop pretending.

[steel python]

and yeah hornets is literally hold one of the mouse buttons and tap the other

[chrome epoch]

u can press key bindings too

[wet jacinth]

Wow yes that is so much more skilled!

[chrome epoch]

so what does it require to play hornets

[wet jacinth]

Wdym?

[steel python]

Very braindead class

just need to micromange cat more than sunflower and you're good

[wet jacinth]

Why the clown emoji?

[steel python]

if your cat gets cc'd during hammer animation (or poison runs out while your cat is cc'd) then you just lost def debuff uptime

and you should slap yourself

[chrome epoch]

i think dodo just answered what i wanted to know

i never played hornets

i only know sunflower gameplay and timing focus recovery and using super sunflower

[wet jacinth]

Every build in the game is pmuch the same, Summoner just has "bonk on 5 stack" mechanic

[steel python]

it relies a lot more on micromanging cat which is ifninitely harder than just recalling and pressing q like sunflower

there is knowledge and skill expression but like at the end of the day, if your debuff uptime is the determining factor of a dungeon you're kinda not gonna have a good time regardless

[gusty kiln]

Flower recalling? Flower is a melee class

[steel python]

Then there's this whole thing about giving focus to certain people

Like puncture bms and dragonchar fms

[gusty kiln]

And bomb sins

[steel python]

that too yeah

other summs as well]

[wet jacinth]

bomb sins

[steel python]

if you can drop a hive swarm or cat sleep on top of them, they will legit insta add you after dungeon

[gusty kiln]

^

[steel python]

there are like 4 hornet summs i've played with that i would consider to be that dedicated to support

everyone else is just brain off dps

[gusty kiln]

gaphie is support god

[steel python]

You guess my number one choice

[gusty kiln]

he hard carry with those cc countdowns

[steel python]

had to think more for the others

[chrome epoch]

most ppl enjoy the focus regen its actually op

[steel python]

[maiden flint]

Oh I was gonna check but thought she changed to sunflower

[brittle gust]

@lament skiff sold the hornet yet?

[lament skiff]

Nay

I fall back to the 2nd offer on Tuesday

[brittle gust]

and thats is?

i feel like hornet users wont pay tbh all cheap

[lament skiff]

lol

[brittle gust]

will drop an offer for 120k

[lament skiff]

Someone else is sitting at 120

[brittle gust]

hmm u got the mystic badge too?

and if yes what stages

[lament skiff]

No, just the book

[brittle gust]

okay

ur in a rush in selling it?

[lament skiff]

No, that's why I'm waiting until Tuesday

[brittle gust]

did he show the 120k or is he just baiting u?

[lament skiff]

Uh, the person who offered 120 is sitting at a very high grandmaster level

[brittle gust]

i geus u dont want to buy 2 sunflowers right

if i would buy the hornet

[lament skiff]

I don't have the room for additional books D=

[brittle gust]

u could remove ankle and beckon

[lament skiff]

Utility for Hae

My face would become even more bruised fighting the widows

[brittle gust]

ur tanking both of them`?

[maiden flint]

Damn rank 26 in world boss, they have more SMN than we do

[lament skiff]

Only if I'm unlucky

[brittle gust]

anyway em if u wanna sell for120k hit me up

if yes just gotta sell sumflowers

[lament skiff]

Yep, I'll let you know if the first two decline to buy

-# Maybe I can become a meme build with 60 gm in Sunflower

[brittle gust]

wait if i put in a 121k im first?

[lament skiff]

First @ 121, 2nd overall

[brittle gust]

would pref to buy it before saturday

so i build hornet ups

if i buy it

[chrome epoch]

@lament skiff your selling the legen hornet? cant u keep that and sell the sunflower

[lament skiff]

I doubt I'd sell a second sf at this point

[chrome epoch]

👀

[ashen monolith]

WTB Gimme light; Prickly stance NA

[amber briar]

if u get the 2nd strike ,plz keep for me

[lament skiff]

Speed?

[amber briar]

def reduction

[lament skiff]

Oh this one

[amber briar]

this is the 2nd?

[lament skiff]

I was holding on to it in case the new dungeons are terrible and my meme sunflower stacks aren't good enough

[amber briar]

yes, all summ need do strike,unless u have 60 stacks sf

[chrome epoch]

For what xD

[lament skiff]

I'll try to get to 60 and see how it goes...

[ocean quarry]

🐳

[steel python]

I'm WTB that def strike but on NA

[solid kestrel]

same

and hornet

[steel python]

Oh thesis has Lego hornets

[solid kestrel]

but i dont think he's selling, or?

[steel python]

I think he's going to keep cuz he's buying up purple books but you can try to ask him

[solid kestrel]

@foggy cedar are you selling your leg hornet? :3

[steel python]

Like I'm 99% he's going to be going for rank 1 summ but Chibi is going to be pretty hard to beat

[lean juniper]

WTS EU

[maiden flint]

Purple sunflower helps with focus right? Cuz u enter overflow faster and u don't run out during it

[lament skiff]

In the sense that you have to use fewer SF to enter Photo, yes

[chrome epoch]

current EU price, just wait 🙂

[amber briar]

there was a 35k sold today

maybe wait next patch can get SF 25K

[maiden flint]

even on dummy without using hammer im doing a bit less with 0 gm blue sunflower than 7gm blue hornet , moving and grapple will make it worse, purple flower seems a bigger jump than purple hornet but they'll just end up being the same at best case scenario i feel?

[steel python]

They'll be same when you account for the party damage increase you get from def hammer

[rigid delta]

He needs to learn how to play it first

He was like 36 gm with legendary and got like 7th

I don't think it's gonna come close to flower on wb at least

Then again our purple sunflower summoners should be doing way more than they are atm