Summoner

[rose juniper]

i saw some bd post a patchnote about they buff some class to have bonus damage from other stat like Def. Did summ also get one?

[steel python]

So a consistent tank is great

[glacial viper]

its always Emreal or Chifussas annyway that tank and sometimes EBO

[steel python]

Summ gets bonus dmg from HP

So free dmg

[rose juniper]

Interesting, ty!

[wet jacinth]

Every class got that yes

Melees got additional dmg from block/evasion

Ranged classes from hp/hp regen

Just to make those statts less useless

[steel python]

KFM gets from evasion which could be insane if it counts the bonus evasion from skills

Unfortunately I have no KR friends to confirm

[wet jacinth]

U can look it up on the Korea patch on yast

[glacial viper]

yeah or just read it and translate XD

everybody got that Hot new Google

[glacial viper]

[wet jacinth]

Hard to read but its there xd

[rose juniper]

add 0.44% of something as damage

[glacial viper]

yah

[wet jacinth]

6% additional dmg based on accuracy and then 0.44% additional dmg based on your hp

[glacial viper]

thats not much in th scope of things

[wet jacinth]

For summ it's nice cuz u got accuracy and hp anyway so it's just free dmg

For melee classes nobody wants block/evasion so thats a bit muh

[glacial viper]

just a little bit free damage

yeah but not like HUGE dps diffrence

it just a little bit cute damage extra

[rose juniper]

so with 60k HP 0.44% is around 250

[wet jacinth]

Yap

Do remember lab ss go to like 15k hp per ss

[glacial viper]

who is gonna get that HAHAHAH

[wet jacinth]

18k actually

[glacial viper]

like 5 people in our server

[karmic flint]

U have to get the ss in the first place

[wet jacinth]

I mean yeah but this skillpatch came 2 months after lab release for kr

[glacial viper]

yeah but lets be real and Honest.....

[wet jacinth]

(still nobody had the ss cuz lab is undoable)

[glacial viper]

Nobody is getting that unless your MEGA whale and already in a whale group and then your not here in this conversation

[wet jacinth]

Any hypers for the new neo exclusive class? 🙃

[glacial viper]

cuz we all half P2W but not half level

spearmaster kek its what i said should come 10 years ago , The Mushin Spear dude

whats he called

[steel python]

Actually a solid amount of gigawhales are in this chat

[glacial viper]

Not really

[wet jacinth]

Dodo giga whale

[steel python]

I've seen quite a few

Im fish

[wet jacinth]

Monsterfish

https://tenor.com/view/found-love-gif-21039553

Dodo spotted

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-small-swimming-floor-crawl-gif-4536438629386526549

me

[rose juniper]

Did you guys disable that hammer skill on [F] that only use on Knockdowned target?

[warped marlin]

yes

when the boss is KD u usually want to grab anyways

[rose juniper]

Its sometime block me to use BnG so I locked it. But now my cat just doing nothing when someone else grab it. Why they didn't make it at lease use normal attack...

[chrome epoch]

p2w!!!!

but u can hammer the enemy

[steel python]

boo her, she betrayed summoner

[sinful cove]

Traitor! o.o

[chrome epoch]

how dare you!

[steel python]

they must be very bad summoners

[karmic flint]

What is average for u?

[sinful cove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catangry-filt-snap-gif-20251593

[steel python]

yeah that's like 2 sullis

[bleak vale]

what are the actual must have books / paths for summoners?

not talking about bee or flower

but assume im flower

like what skills need books and which can you just forget about

[wet jacinth]

Flower?

[sinful cove]

Flower purple / flower / flower / flower / flower / Daybreak purple / Hive Swarm / Doom n Gloom=Root (purple, preference which)

[bleak vale]

why daybreak

and is doom n root the one where you just press f and forget about it? no channeling and no f on npc/wheel issues?

[wet jacinth]

Root is press yey

Gloom has a mini animation (and is the f wheel thing)

[bleak vale]

ew im never going gloom then

[steel python]

it gives honey when we get patch

[bleak vale]

whats the purpose of root

[sinful cove]

Daybreak gives you the best focus regen for money for you and party plus a heal

and a 1 s iframe

[bleak vale]

assume i only had access to blues why would i want this

i dont see poison

[wet jacinth]

Damage and enable briar for focus recov

Pp give poison

[sinful cove]

root applies 5 poison stacks for hammer to reduce defense

[bleak vale]

where does it say that tho

on purple it does

[wet jacinth]

Thats purple

[bleak vale]

what does wreckage do

[wet jacinth]

Its the same briar patch

wreckage is a useless bad translated text

[bleak vale]

briar patch readies brair patch?

[wet jacinth]

tldr its a patch that does dmg and regens focus

[wet jacinth]

Ye just like BM Q/E boosts Q/E eventho its on cd

[bleak vale]

so its bad wording?

[wet jacinth]

chatgpt failed translation

yes

[sinful cove]

thats briar patch

[bleak vale]

i get that

otherwise you can only use briar during stealth?

[sinful cove]

correct

[wet jacinth]

tldr, when u block yes.

And briar becomes a "on you" instead on target if you block

[bleak vale]

i see

[rose juniper]

Its the same with briar patch with a little difference.

briar patch = put it under your feet
briar patch wreckage = throw it at enemy with 15m range

[bleak vale]

is purple root a must have?

[wet jacinth]

Must have? no. Very nice? yeah

[bleak vale]

if you didnt have purple

would you go blue?

[wet jacinth]

Yep

[bleak vale]

otherwise you would be gloom and not root

im not going gloom

thats the one that activates on npcs/wheels

[wet jacinth]

blue root is just some dmg

[steel python]

i disable it when i wheel

[bleak vale]

im hard passing on that

[steel python]

now i run hornets and have it disabled always

[bleak vale]

hornet wouldnt want any doom?

[wet jacinth]

hornet + root = w.

[bleak vale]

bdx

can you go on yast and cross off everyskill i shouldnt care about / wouldnt use a book at all for?

like how you did with fm for me

[rose juniper]

Legend said that dodo can do 100K dps with green hornet.

[steel python]

yeah thats why im playing dodotwo

dodo too op

[wet jacinth]

Hornet or sf?

[bleak vale]

i assume sf

[wet jacinth]

sf is selffish pew pew

hornet is cat go bonk yey

[bleak vale]

wym?

[wet jacinth]

I ment what I said.

[sinful cove]

is that the same legend that says purple books drop?

[bleak vale]

but hornet doesnt add poison

[wet jacinth]

U take poison lb for that

[bleak vale]

why would that matter for hammer

[wet jacinth]

And hornet do lb rb

so u auto apply

[bleak vale]

does sf not use lmb

[wet jacinth]

Barely

[rose juniper]

Summ life would be alot easier if we can just bonk -def without need of 5x poison.

[steel python]

dark are you on NA? I can tell you some people to look up if you want to see setups

[bleak vale]

i am

[wet jacinth]

Dark u want purple skills or full blue?

[steel python]

Ah nice

[bleak vale]

for now (i quit but going sum on steam)

[steel python]

So what are your specs? Lik no purps?

hmm

[bleak vale]

2 purples max

for rn

[wet jacinth]

Ill make you one for both sec

[steel python]

thats a bit of a challenge cuz idk the market when steam launches

[rose juniper]

If WL release with Steam, see you there.

[bleak vale]

supposedly we get 2 on steam if following kr catch up event?

so 2 purples for now?

[steel python]

selector? or nah

[bleak vale]

i think so

i think kr had selectors for catch up

so hornet and lmb probably would be the best 2?

or sunflower and ??

[steel python]

hmm ngl i'd go double sunflower if selector

[sinful cove]

^

[bleak vale]

assume you couldnt pick the same one twice what would you go

sf and?

[sinful cove]

id go i think daybreak

[bleak vale]

what skills are that important

[steel python]

Look up Celestial for the sunflower only setup

[wet jacinth]

Dark enable your dms u idiot

Lmao

[steel python]

I'd say daybreak

[bleak vale]

daybreak?

[steel python]

X skill

[bleak vale]

bdx i added you a long time ago you declinded

you wouldnt want the 5s immunity?

[wet jacinth]

For hornets

[steel python]

sunflower cares a ton about focus regen

they can't afford to take solidairty

another reason i swapped to hornets

[wet jacinth]

For sunflower, Take Besties/Root next

[sinful cove]

i do miss my solidarity sometimes....

[steel python]

[bleak vale]

rumour if following kr catch up

[steel python]

I can tank a whole 2 kaari range checks

and 2 hae mujin bombs

[sinful cove]

tbh if steam will really get 2 purple selectors there is no reason to stay here unless you spent money on tons of purples

[steel python]

Yeah

most people dont have 2 purps of the main skill

I dont have one tiffy

you potato

I have 2 tumble rolls tho

wym i never got one??

[rose juniper]

Perfect for WL, now I need only 3 more.

[wet jacinth]

we will get purple selector bp relax

[steel python]

No

that was a friend

who i forced to buy it

and told him to resell if he doesnt need

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/291185557789343744/1112464998028021873/62CF58C8-B646-4E87-A197-46F168459DB7.gif?width=409&height=498

But yeah id go double main skill tbh

[rose juniper]

Is there anyone here plan to create wl when it out?

[steel python]

Purple sunflower is just that good

[sharp wedge]

Where do you even get such ideas

[steel python]

wym the less hammers there are, the more in demand i'll be

I'll start charging for def debuff

50dg per person per run

DodoThree

[rose juniper]

Where the first two?

[steel python]

In my basement

[sinful cove]

if you currently have no purples, then its better for you to reroll on steam to get 2 for free essentially. Unless we get some too here. Gear is fairly easy to get, but purple books if you do not break your wallet are easier to get from that event. kinda logical.

[wet jacinth]

Remember "steam will get no benefits towards purple servers"

[sharp wedge]

Where do they say that you will get anything on Steam?

[sinful cove]

Someone mentioned it here and then a whole convo started "IF"

[sharp wedge]

Oh jesus

People really going off of what KR had on their "new server"?

[sinful cove]

SEems so. I would to, but this is NCA.....they arent that nice

[sharp wedge]

You also have to remember that the KR new server was not on a separate client so you could use your divine gems just like you can do now between servers

[sinful cove]

my money is on "Level to 50 and get 1x purple accessory and weapon free" xD

[sharp wedge]

Another thing is that the KR new server opened with the Warlock release (6 months after release)

[steel python]

Yeah i have my doubts on 2 purples

[sharp wedge]

And we don't even know when the Steam launch is happening

[sinful cove]

maybe its jsut bait xD

[sharp wedge]

Having a good time to farm Tomb of Exiles agaiun

[rose juniper]

I have a feeling they might put it on Steam but when you click START it just open the purple, lol

[sharp wedge]

Then it would be coming to the same servers as us

My guesstimate is that Steam release will happen with Warlock sometime Aug-Sept

[sinful cove]

If it were any other company i would have doubts but....wouldnt put it past them xD

[sharp wedge]

We are getting Tree + Lab in the same release but Lab will be unclearable for quite a long time for quite many players

[steel python]

Oh highland exile = hollow heart?

and im guessing they took out all the fun mechs too

[sharp wedge]

It's just a tank and spank dps race

[sinful cove]

Wonder howq many more people will leave with the next patch of unclearable content for them, or if any will.

[rose juniper]

That clown guy, what his name again? Be ido?

[wet jacinth]

Beido ye

he gone

[rose juniper]

Why O_o

[sinful cove]

Remember when doing mechs actually did damage to the boss and made runs faster a bit? xD

[wet jacinth]

cuz he annoyig

and KR pplhave huge skill issue

so they just deletd him

[rose juniper]

At lease robot he's piloting look cool.

I was hoping WL will come around late June, but look like its too much to ask....I'm sad now.

[wet jacinth]

Late july

Bear needs a q2 boost so he doesnt get fired

So we get a good BP, Event and Warlock release

[chrome epoch]

what?

[wet jacinth]

Stop hoping on selectors

Warlock will "maybe" come with a Battlepass with ONE selector

[chrome epoch]

cant be true, when i was reading their news post telling that they are thinking about giving us purple selector but no time when mentioned...i instantly new it will take lots of time to come...

[wet jacinth]

Steam will NOT have purple selectors

Because "it will not have an advantage over purple client"

And thats quite a big advantge

[steel python]

Are they going to merge steam and purple servers?

[chrome epoch]

maybe at a very later point of time

[wet jacinth]

"not at this time"

aka, Later probally yes.

[steel python]

Hmm well if they do somehow actually give us 2x purple selectors I might actually consider making a char there too

Not summ though

[chrome epoch]

i would make a sum there too if i can get 2 purp sfs

xD

[wet jacinth]

2 purple EP's or Severs

[steel python]

Purple sun stroke and dt sounds amazing

[wet jacinth]

Its not

Better go double puncture if u want bm

[steel python]

Idk I feel fine with blues

[wet jacinth]

I swapped from hybrid to puncture and me go brrr

[steel python]

Honestly I'd be lazy and go full fire

Damage is so high anyways

What I'd really want would be blazing beam FM but it's not in good state I hear

[maiden flint]

I tried to find info on kr soul server and afaik they did do an isolated new server, but only 3 blue selectors no purple, on release

[tawdry orbit]

WTS EU

[rose juniper]

If I'm playing WL there and still post here, is it consider I'm a summoner disguise as WL or a WL disguise as Summoner? 🤔

[wet jacinth]

Ur playing on Steam so you don't exist anymore

Sorry not sorry.

[chrome epoch]

wew

[steel fable]

WTS** Purple Sunflower pm

[tawdry orbit]

Nataske

[steel fable]

yoyo!

Thanks for the headsup!

[tawdry orbit]

yw

strange why neo didnt have ch for sellers

live does

[knotty rampart]

what is WTF purple sunflower?

[tawdry orbit]

wtf?

[steel fable]

FIXED FIXED

[knotty rampart]

haha

[tawdry orbit]

xD

ah i didnt see that xD

[rose juniper]

He just saw the price and have so many question. 🤣

[knotty rampart]

for 1 sec i thought dude had some next level fetish

[rose juniper]

Dear god

[knotty rampart]

after all, expensive makes it hot

[tawdry orbit]

flower nipples for cats xD

[shadow plank]

WTSell

[glacial viper]

WTB Purple Venom LB Eu - Pm me aswell i want one too

[tawdry orbit]

WTS EU

[chrome epoch]

WTS EU

[steel fable]

WTS EU

[tawdry orbit]

WTS EU

[proven holly]

NA - WTB Purple Prickly Stance (1)

[true stirrup]

I have the non prickly version I can give you a discount

[chrome epoch]

How much?

[karmic flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-rooster-chicken-anime-gif-11707529642898019289

[chrome epoch]

[vestal sage]

WTS NA on market for 2899gems

[amber briar]

WTS EU

[steel fable]

WTS EU

[solid kestrel]

WTB Purple Sunflower NA :3

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[solid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[chrome epoch]

no sf for you xD

[solid kestrel]

i'm totally not addicted to this game

and thus need a sunflower..

[chrome epoch]

just get purple skill box and open one

[solid kestrel]

with my luck?

[chrome epoch]

wait isnt it like midnight in NA

[solid kestrel]

i'm from eu but playing on na

no matter what i do my hornet build will ping suffer

[chrome epoch]

eu playing na

thats eww

[solid kestrel]

i play nearly everything on na because friends ask me... and then they quit but i've already invested to much in said game
story of my life with everything

[chrome epoch]

you will suffer with any build

[solid kestrel]

sun isn't as ping dependent as hornet

i had 270ms when i was on vacation (after the weird maintenance latency bug) and now at home i'm at 150ms (with the same bug)
dps increased from like 13k at mujin to 17k+ now

that's what 120ms diff does

[chrome epoch]

so your NA friends want you to play on NA but they already quit and now your kinda alone?

[solid kestrel]

exactly
well i made new friends owob

[chrome epoch]

and have to deal with ping?

[wet jacinth]

Ping is nia's friend.

It's always there

[solid kestrel]

i dont want that one as a friend

[wet jacinth]

Just like a best friend, It makes fun of you and you hate it.

But whatever you do, it doesn't stop.

[solid kestrel]

so someone sell me a purple sun pls :D and hope it doesn't disappoint

[karmic flint]

Depending on the rest of ur skills might be even a dps loss :^) subflower is just that focus hungry xD

[solid kestrel]

looking at world bosses sun is a huge increase and no matter what i do i just can't beat it o:

this was last wb, you can clearly see the gap between sun and me on hornet

of course in a party setting it's different but i'm just getting sun for personal dps :3

[karmic flint]

Sunflower punishes ur way more for mistakes in ur gameplay aswell but yeah for ego dps sunflower is better?

[solid kestrel]

that score was with 951 ap, 4266 cr, 3240 cd, gm 34 hornet btw owo

and that's equal or better gear than all sun players above :/

[steel python]

Yeah hornets straight up does less dmg

Niji is hornets

And has Lego neck

And stats that match or better the others

[uncut fable]

some people just live in denial 😄

[steel python]

I wanna play gunner

Tiffy add gunner into game

[solid kestrel]

what % is sun dps over hornet?
so far no one could give me a real answer, everyone just says "it's around 30% more" or something like that
but when i stack hornet mastery equal to a 30% increase in the end it's still much lower o:

[wet jacinth]

10-15%.

[solid kestrel]

no way... just look at the numbers above

[steel python]

20%

[solid kestrel]

the #1-3 deal 40% more than me

[wet jacinth]

Is the hornet playing no utility full selffish dps like Sunflower?

[steel python]

Yes

Doesn't even have cat Q

With petal storm toss

[wet jacinth]

Okay fair.

(also dum xd)

[solid kestrel]

niji has gm 36
i even tried with gm 38

the sun summoners are still far above me

[steel python]

He carries me so I don't mind

[lament skiff]

On focus regen dummy, using only SF/HN with near identical stats: SF 24k, HN 15.5

[solid kestrel]

thanks, that seems more likely
so again i've gotten 4 different numbers now, 10-15%, 20%, 30%, 54%
no one has managed to give the real number owo

i'm doing 25-26k on a dummy, friend with sun does 38k
but of course different gear & latency

[wet jacinth]

Almost like numbers are alot different depending statts, playstyle and ping

[solid kestrel]

and then i get trash talked that i cope with hornet? xd

when no one can even answer the question owo

[uncut fable]

SF is like 90% of dps and hornet 60%?

[wet jacinth]

Who ever trashtalks hornet is just rash

[steel python]

Also SF has some animations when doing focus skills so it should be a bit lower

[solid kestrel]

hornet is about 70% of my dps for me (including cat)

[steel python]

I mean the best way is to have a purple sunflower and purple hornets with similar crit chance do a parse and doing the math on AP/s

[solid kestrel]

wtb purple sunflower uwu

that way i can test XD

[steel python]

Then it's trivial to compare the two

Don't have to account for things like cdmg and AP

[uncut fable]

still contemplating if i should go sunflower or not

waiting for the event purple to see if i should 🙈

[wet jacinth]

Do u also got a bound hornet?

If not, deff go sunflower lol

[uncut fable]

not bound hornet

[wet jacinth]

Unless u can't stand the playstyle (wich is valid)

[uncut fable]

but hornet is love

[solid kestrel]

i like hornet when running stuff with my clan

but sometimes i feel like carrying babies, or even just wb scoring

for those it's better to have a sun

[uncut fable]

oh yeah i forfeit WB definitely

chilling on #7

only hornet sum to reach top 5 is kacperinio but thats quite a gear diff

[steel fable]

WTS EU PM Offer can go low

[lament skiff]

Nothing better for clearing trash quickly than a flowery assault rifle

[steel python]

Honestly I'm considering unlocking sunburst purely for mobbing

Like why would I need to cast drain while I have overflow

[wet jacinth]

When u have 1% hp left and no pots

[steel python]

[wet jacinth]

(and soontm honey buff?)

[steel python]

That only happens when I'm tanking a widow

And if that's happening something is really off with the party

Yeah I think honey buff is maybe but I feel like I'd have so little uptime on it that I can just wait it out

[tawdry orbit]

WTS EU

[jovial ember]

WTS EU server , ty

[true stirrup]

30% on the GM points is not a 30% increase in the skill overall damage, because it's additive with the skill point percentage.

30% on the GM point percentage bonus is ~21.8% over the skill damage with only the 10 skill points in it and no gm points.

[solid kestrel]

yeah, also just 70% of your damage is from hornet and so on, so overall it's less

[true stirrup]

And I would consider the "base" to be compared to, to be the skill damage with 10 skill points in it.

Because there's no realistic situation where you don't stick 10 skill points into hornets or sunflower for those builds.

[steel fable]

WTS EU PM Offer can go low

[karmic flint]

50dg :^)

[solid kestrel]

WTB Purple Sunflower (NA)

[lament skiff]

Any EU looking for Daybreak

[vestal sage]

WTS NA

[chrome epoch]

@amber briar yo big fan got a picture

wew why so rude

its cute lyn too

😂

[amber briar]

MUA

[chrome epoch]

WTS:

[sturdy orbit]

how important is mantra slots on accesorys

[barren drum]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-menacing-cursed-gif-8800082052821236868

[lament skiff]

Depends on who you ask

Idk if there's enough selection to be picky about your pieces

[karmic flint]

lowest i saw was like 8k in eu

[tawdry orbit]

op focus regen, or mantras for giving dps with 5% chanse

[tawdry orbit]

Pyungdo

if you make 5-6 time seems like insta buff for dpsing

and they stack

[lament skiff]

7.8 was early this morning. I sold mine for 5 and bought 2 more books to salvage

[outer hamlet]

hello there i was wandering where did you find the summoner changes translation so i can find it for other classes ?

[steel fable]

WTS EU PM Offer

[steel python]

wym look my stats

lv52

sounds f2p

[karmic flint]

sounds like slacker to me

[steel python]

Me slacker

[steel python]

Hmm I'd pay 15k now

[prime salmon]

@steel python

[ashen monolith]

Is it NA or eu

[steel python]

NA

Now this is tempting

who be quitting

[prime salmon]

NA

[steel fable]

Why do I feel every summoner is on NA

[solid kestrel]

we are :)

[steel python]

Could be the time slot you're looking at

I think there are a good amount of summoners in EU

[steel fable]

I repost every 4h or so in general

I think so too but still can't find a buyer

[steel python]

I'm seeing majority EU summs on azura leaderboard

but yeah

i also see a ton of NA here

[solid kestrel]

it is tempting but i bet it can crash further, to me this looks like 4 sellers with 5 books

[steel python]

Yeah

I'm chillin

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863748725826519070/1126482375526842479/caption.gif

[prime salmon]

ok who bought 2 hornet books

[steel python]

not even the bottom 2

18k still up

probably same person who listed and going to undercut?

[prime salmon]

they prob reading the chat rn

👁️👁️

[maiden flint]

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

WTB Sunflower 35k PM Me NA

[vestal sage]

WTS NA, both on market for 2.5k gems

[true stirrup]

WTS NA PMO

[knotty rampart]

WTB EU blue sunflower

[fallow bear]

can some1 posting a good summoner build /skill guide?

[steel python]

Check pins in the megathread

There's info there

[shadow plank]

WTSell EU 1499

[ocean quarry]

Anyone on Na interested?

[knotty rampart]

WTB purple hornet 18k, EU

[solid kestrel]

WTB Purple Hornet & Petal Storm Toss (NA)

[steel python]

wtb purple prickly and hornets nest

[chrome epoch]

i buy purple sunflower for 20k

[gusty kiln]

WTB Gold Flower NA

[prime salmon]

I wanna buy a gold flower too NA 😄

[brittle gust]

hm for prickly

im the one selling for 7k

[steel python]

sorry im NA, mb shouldve mentioned

[brittle gust]

[steel python]

anyone got viridian coast wb ranking from like 5 mins ago?

[vestal sage]

WTS NA, 2.4k each on market

[amber briar]

WTB EU double critical weapon

[steel python]

tyty

[spiral dagger]

is there 0 players or what

[stone aspen]

Heres bamboo for ya

[spiral dagger]

dead servers or no summoners?

[stone aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[spiral dagger]

eu seems to be more alive

[steel python]

Viridian is the dead server

I'm rank 20 there afk

[solid kestrel]

couple summoners didn't show up today, usually i have to fight for #5 as hornet :c

feels so lonely up there, everyone has a purple sun

[true stirrup]

Any NA summoners interested in these?

[rigid delta]

Hornets just better to play over all

but im not dropping like 140k divine gems to do same damage as 1 purple flower with blue stacks

[true stirrup]

@solid kestrel are you niji

[steel python]

No

[true stirrup]

wait im blind

the names just look the same

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

should i swap to hornets

sell all the sunflowers

salvage my badges

[fickle glen]

do you have purple

sunflower

[true stirrup]

no and im 40k deep in transmutes over the past 2 days

[steel python]

Lethe big whale, he'll just get it

[true stirrup]

i refuse to spend more on a purple sunflower than what it would cost me to buy an ice rain

[fickle glen]

hornet is not worth unless you want to be a def break bot

and if you wanna do same damage you'll spend same if you buy sunflower

because you need the gear to support it as well

[steel python]

You'll sit at 15-20k DPS purple hornets but will give your team +10k overall

[fickle glen]

so might as well buy sunflower

[steel python]

If you def bot

[fickle glen]

you work more for less dps for yourself but benefit your team if you want to, otherwise sunflower you can still focus battery everyone and do more damage

[steel python]

I can safely say, I don't work

Brain is off

Still good up time

[fickle glen]

dodo we have complaints about your cat.

[steel python]

Take it up with CR

[true stirrup]

So I have these purples to work with

3 Doom N Gloom
4 Doom n Bloom
1 Doom n Root
1 Fire Grenade Launcher
1 Seed Shroud
2 Clawnado
1 Grasping Roots
2 Surprise Gift
1 Venomous Rosethorn
1 Hornets Nest
2 Strike Defense Down
1 Cheer Up
1 Thorn Strike
1 Petal Storm Toss
1 Anklebiter
1 Vine whip

[steel python]

(Cat Resources)

[leaden lance]

copy phie for best def red summoner build

[true stirrup]

all i have is some blue sunflowers

[sweet crag]

you cat don't give enough focus juice

[steel python]

It's working 2 jobs

Actually 4

[true stirrup]

like how much gear we talking

[fickle glen]

Venomous Rosethorn
Hornets Nest
Anklebiter
Seed Shroud
Strike Defense Down
Petal Storm Toss

Sell everything else for
Besties
Daybreak
Prickly Stance
and more hornets if you want idk > <

[fickle glen]

look at my gear and you get to do 20k if you're lucky !

[true stirrup]

On Hae Mujin?

[fickle glen]

yes

[true stirrup]

theres no way

[fickle glen]

hornet suck

[true stirrup]

You have more GM than my FM and a worse stats but not that much worse

surely thats like 25

[steel python]

Lego neck

[fickle glen]

you would think HAHAHA

I just support my top dps guild leader chibi

with my poison

[true stirrup]

well i am currently doing like

[steel python]

Yes looks right

[fickle glen]

if you look up chibi, they have a good indication of what 1 purple sunflower can do

[leaden lance]

our other support summs on purple did around 10

while chibi, she is doing 30

[steel python]

Whoa there I do 15 on a good day

[true stirrup]

I lose damage though because I need to LMB 5 times in between photosynthesis to re-apply defense down

[leaden lance]

on one purple sunflower

[fickle glen]

you dont wanna defense down as sunflower

when you're not right clicking you lose dps

[true stirrup]

if i didnt defense down maybe i do 10k and am like super mega deadweight because i also dont debuff lol

[leaden lance]

defense down in whale party = +10k dps

[fickle glen]

its just purple sunflower and ap + crit difference at that point

both sides are very big investment regardless

[leaden lance]

and if you do cc timer countdown 💋

[steel python]

You see if I cc

I can't focus battery

Unless it's a very specific 2s window

[sweet crag]

battery harder pls

[steel python]

Stand next to me

[sweet crag]

I DO :<

its not enough, pump harder

[fickle glen]

but this is the sad state of summoners, you either pay extra for a stupid sunflower book, or pay extra to do decent damage for hornet, or do the minimum requirement and support your team as hornet

[true stirrup]

i mean if i do 17k id be fine with that

thats how much i did on my FM with only blue ice rains

on 50 patch release

[fickle glen]

thats the thing, you can't compare blue summoner with blue FM unfortunately

[steel python]

If only we could apply bleed with hornets instead of rumblebees

[true stirrup]

my stats arent even like that bad though

im missing primers on half the SS but theres some stats

[leaden lance]

niji is 1k ap

[fickle glen]

its just the ap scaling thats very unfair for summoners that stay blue

[true stirrup]

if i put on the purple hornets and buy blue hornets to fill all the slots would i do significantly more

than blue sunflowers

[fickle glen]

yes you would do at least 14k

[true stirrup]

At level 55 this character will be 930 with the current gear

[fickle glen]

are you also using detect atm?

[true stirrup]

I do, i dont use the detect set on my other character but I use it here cuz i still have some misses

[steel python]

[leaden lance]

jeez

[fickle glen]

I almost spit out my water

[steel python]

Where are my 2dg kaari essences Lethe

I blame you

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

what buttons do you press for hornets

[steel python]

Macro

I do TRT

No delay

[fickle glen]

TRT no delay 👌

[true stirrup]

Summmoner has insane soul luck 1 tap transmute but ive tried so many times for this on FM but cant get it lol, i still have infernal

WTS DM me

[patent briar]

how muc hessence did you roll for this

[true stirrup]

at least 20,000

[solid kestrel]

@fickle glen i like you, we're in exactly the same boat..

[true stirrup]

but I got very lucky

i completed both sets in 1 pity box rotation

I rolled Mushins dark shadow, divine fist mushin and iksanun in the 20 attempts to pityt

and pulled yura out of the pity box

[patent briar]

were you rolling the kaari wheel or one of the blue card wheels?

[solid kestrel]

forever a support def down slave with hornet, even if you whale your heart out :/

[true stirrup]

Kaari Kaari

[true stirrup]

Nobody will buy a moonwater sunflower badge, desert sunflower badge or moonwater rumblebees right

[solid kestrel]

all 3 sound like salvage to me, might be able to sell the sun ones for alts or newbies

[true stirrup]

sealing charms are like 50 lol

it cost like 375 to seal a badge

[solid kestrel]

oh yeah forgot about expensive sealing now

i'd just salvage

[steel python]

Copy mine

Wat

It's perfect

I mean if you want to full support you go rumblebees and apply bleed

[steel python]

Can you gamba Lego books and sell me Lego hornets

Then I sell to Niji

[solid kestrel]

no sell it to me pls

i want gm54

[prime salmon]

do u still have anklebiter for sale?

[true stirrup]

its gone

[true stirrup]

Reduced to ashes

[steel python]

what price were you buying purples at?

[true stirrup]

i didnt buy any, they were all transmuted from blues

[steel python]

[solid kestrel]

are we playing sum because we are addicted
or are we addicted because we play sum?

[steel python]

Summ makes me want to play less tbh

If I had this gear on an FM I would probably be annoyed I'm tanking everything

Like the one silver lining is that I never have to tank

[rigid delta]

global gcd killed the enjoyment of summoner

[rigid delta]

I have to tank like every party

[warped marlin]

the gcd change is so ass

not a single good thing about it

[steel python]

[rigid delta]

summoner pvp unplayable because of the gcd change

[steel python]

The price of being top 5 dps

[rigid delta]

only cool thing they did was make C a whip

but it doesnt matter because cat will get locked into gcd and not pin

[steel python]

Disagree because it's one of our Lego book slots

Why would they do this to us

[karmic flint]

simple Duck Summoner

thats also why they took us so much range

[rigid delta]

summoners entire kit just doesnt even make sense

wants you to play melee range for cat Q on party with 3

you have no iframes to compensate being melee

[karmic flint]

just eq and play ego

[rigid delta]

Thats what I end up doing depending on the fight

if they aoe too much

hae mujin I just sit max of his red circle. Unless I have to tank

[warped marlin]

the gcd definetly the biggest issue with sum for pvp

but therse also like 40 more nerfs to the class

[fallow bear]

hi one question is petal storm good? for sunflower build or hornet?

[chrome epoch]

wtf game dead, chill with the cashing tho

[wet jacinth]

WTB Purple Hornet Nest EU - Pm me

[sharp wedge]

WTB Purple Sunflower (EU)

[brittle gust]

WTB Purple petal storm toss eu

WTS purple prickly stance eu

[solid kestrel]

WTB Purple Hornet & Petal Toss (NA) :3

[lament skiff]

PC> Hornet Purple on EU

[austere shell]

EU Cinderland, WTB Sunflower Epic (need 4 or 5 so pme me also if you read this message late)

[vestal sage]

WTS NA, 2.2k each on market

[quartz mortar]

WTB hornet purple 20k EU

[chrome epoch]

WTB purp Sunflower EU 25k

[karmic flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-rooster-chicken-anime-gif-11707529642898019289

[chrome epoch]

[stone aspen]

im so good at this game

[amber briar]

WTS EU PM offer

[stone aspen]

thx and yea it is essences/WB chests, i havent been using em for anything, i know ppl use it to buy greens and salvage em. nvr did that >_>

[steel python]

[stone aspen]

i was just about to post the same thing

[maiden flint]

did venomous rosethorn go up cuz of the KR patch or always been 8-10k?

poison refresh is great tho but yeah.. those prices

[steel python]

Nah

i would only blazing beam

salvage this

[solid kestrel]

i know i've been trying to buy this the past few days but pls if you're around, it's only worth like 2-3k 😂

[brittle gust]

[proven holly]

WTB at decent price

[fiery cape]

do ppl stacking toss?

[steel python]

Nop

It avgs out to be like 1AP ratio per second if im remembering correctly

[deep marsh]

Yesterday a got my hands on hero hornet and I testet it. I noticed that the sound and animation is different to the blue one.
And it feels slower or something like that idk, am I imagining it or has anyone else noticed this?

[rose juniper]

The Bee look a little bigger but I feel like the speed is the same for me. I'm already swap to Sun ,so can't test for you right now. anyone?

[deep marsh]

Yes bigger and there is a sparkle effect on impact and when it flies
And the sound is a higher pitch and it hisses

Could be that the sound is tricking my brain, but it feels less snappy can't really describe it

Could be that the animation is actually faster and this results in a weirdly animation delay, or it is slower or iam getting tricked idk

[prime salmon]

anyone know a purple rumble bees build?

[wet jacinth]

Full clawnado with 1 strike and a venom LB

And yes, it does no dmg.

[prime salmon]

meh, im not expecting it to do dmg LOL

all it does is just apply poison and bleed right? im assuming cat does negative dmg too

[prime salmon]

how many purple rumblebees books do we get, or none?

[wet jacinth]

Apply poison > Whenever u get 5 stacks go Tab C tab C Tab

if you use def reduc use Tab C Tab tab

Use briar, Daybreak and hive swarm to not run out of focus durign these sequences

[prime salmon]

ty sir, appreciate it

[wet jacinth]

Be carefull to not accidentally interrupt Clawnado

the skill casts longer then the cd/gcd

[wet jacinth]

And that hornet should be rumblebee, i clicked wrong thing lol

[prime salmon]

all good, ty ;')

[steel python]

Nah don't go clawnado, you do 0 damage anyways

go double stun

[prime salmon]

LOOOOL so full utility?

[steel python]

Yes

Its only if you're running in a static

and you have no bleed

otherwise you're useless

[prime salmon]

watch me get flamed on my alt 😭

[steel python]

I'd just go hornets

just get blue and you're fine

[prime salmon]

ye, my main is sunflower, my 1st alt is hornet, and my 3rd alt i wanted to go rumblebees

[wet jacinth]

Just get scratch book and apply bleeds on cat pins

😏

[prime salmon]

[steel python]

[prime salmon]

omg im getting sleepy lol

[steel python]

have you considered playing a real class

one that does damage

[prime salmon]

me?

[steel python]

im asking myself that too

[prime salmon]

i played FM on bamboo and converted to summoner when i migrated to viridian

[steel python]

Yeah im thinking of going back to FM, top FM is apparently blazing beam

only thing is they're giga stacked with lego bb and like 70+gm

[true stirrup]

yeah but he has legendary and 78 GM

[steel python]

[true stirrup]

and i still do more on some of the fights sometimes

[steel python]

The thing stopping me is purple lmb

[true stirrup]

its real close

[true stirrup]

wym

Steven has purple LMB

[steel python]

i dont have a ember slave

*burn

[patent briar]

I thought other fms with purple lmb griefs blazing beam

[true stirrup]

ember stacks dont matter if you dont have to 1 to burn, dont use impact for inferno, just LR2F only

[steel python]

it griefs it unles you have two fms that alternate c's i think

so specific setup

[wet jacinth]

Or use twindragon+1 instantly after

For a garuanteed burn

[true stirrup]

World boss has too many people hitting it, that is inconsistent

[true stirrup]

It also griefs if the beamer uses inferno and wants to instant cast

but that is worse than only using beams

assuming you have every beam purple for GMs

[steel python]

such a stupid mechanic

[true stirrup]

if you have like 1x purple beam and some blues using inferno is a DPS up

[steel python]

inferno casting was the fun part of fm

[true stirrup]

but you wont be able to instant cast unless its 5 ember on 1 usage

ORRR

Legendary Shock Fire

which allows you to instant inferno without 5 embers, if the boss is already burning

[steel python]

well i liked the xvx with the whole combo starter

where you hard channel the inferno while the tank builds up agro

then you rip it anways

and your raid gets mad at you

[true stirrup]

tanks fault

they shoulda slapped harder

[steel python]

Truee

[true stirrup]

best was pulling it off tank during BT

the pie slice part

[steel python]

the secret was to run with an FM more whale than you and they take the blame

[uncut fable]

fm discussions in sum chat 😔

[true stirrup]

im a summoner now too

Dodo can vouch

[steel python]

Yes

think about it this way, summ so bad we'd rather reminice on fm days

[true stirrup]

my summ is hella budged geared

by buying random pre-upgraded gear on F5 lmao

got a true dragon belt for 800

[steel python]

and your massive card set

[true stirrup]

awakened bloodmane gloves 2k

awakened poh ring 1200

[uncut fable]

my hae mujin bracelet on that 93.5% upgrade :)))))))

[true stirrup]

awakened tae earring 1200

this was pre-psyched and pre mantra'd for 2k lmao

[true stirrup]

i have the dolphin card sets

no master hong or jinsoybeans

but i will gamble that soon

[steel python]

"dolphin"

[patent briar]

just wish there was an easier way to gamble cards

[true stirrup]

There is

you spin the wheel

[wet jacinth]

It's that c def xd

minus 10k :p

[patent briar]

I mean easier than that lol don't want to sit there for hours

[steel python]

You can have a script that spins while you're alt tabbed

[true stirrup]

back when kaari was 1.7 each i would just load up 6-8k essence, leave my compter on overnight

[wet jacinth]

And then spin all outfits and inventory full after 100 spins

[true stirrup]

Mine also auto salvages the inventory every certain number of minutes so it could spin until the essence ran out

[steel python]

[wet jacinth]

cheats

[steel python]

Now i need that script

[true stirrup]

but kaari essence too expensive now

[steel python]

I won't/cant steal your wheel i have 110ms

idk im thinking its time to get used to 4dg kaari essence cost

[true stirrup]

Don't say that

[steel python]

Look man i know its hard overcoming addiction

[wet jacinth]

I am farming gemmies that way so yes, please do get used to that.

[steel python]

Yeah its like 1200 gems per acc per day at least

probably would take all day too

[solid kestrel]

clan people told me to play bm since it's still ok with high latency, but lvling a 3rd character... i even struggle doing stuff on one alt

[steel python]

BM is a bit harder than people think since you are melee

but the damage is 100% there

[solid kestrel]

yes the sound is different for purple hornet vs blue, don't know about sparkly effects i'm blind :)

[true stirrup]

if you wanna sell bulk kaari essence on NA i will buy still at under 4

[wet jacinth]

Orrrr I just sell em in (Eu) for 5dg each and it'll sell within 10 minutes

[rose juniper]

Jelly Bean inflation has began.

[gusty kiln]

WTB CR CD lego brace/glove NA

[chrome epoch]

WTB Purpl Sunflower EU

[prime salmon]

Wtb purple sunflower - NA :3

[sharp wedge]

WTB Purple Sunflower (EU)

[lament skiff]

Anyone else seeing a weird vfx a few seconds after logging in

[amber briar]

WTS EU

[deep marsh]

blue shimmer?

[lament skiff]

Yeah

Like on live, when your super secret technique bar filled?

[deep marsh]

right

noticed it yesterday

I don't know if it was there before yesterday

[lament skiff]

Maybe its a lv55 thing?

[deep marsh]

could be

I don't remember at what level you got it on live back then, but that could be right

[karmic flint]

Afaik u unlocked it at lvl 55 back in the day maybe they forgot to disable the animation xD

[chrome epoch]

WTB Purpl Sunflower EU uwu

[amber briar]

WTB ANKLE EU

[chrome epoch]

u going full support now?

[maiden flint]

do i bother to spam lunge for dps? or 🤏

[solid kestrel]

does increase dps but you're kind of griefing your party since kd and def down can be late

[wraith seal]

WTS Purple sunflower NA 55k on market

[maiden flint]

what does cat scale with, just level up? got carried in bsh2 but was struggling to keep cat alive

[lament skiff]

Hp with the quality of your equipment

[shy pond]

200 ping diff

[severe cargo]

LF the summoner that posted this in NA. DM me

[prime salmon]

55k the lowest they can go, otherwise they want it for 60k

[severe cargo]

Yeah I did reply to him in the other channel

[severe cargo]

Yeah right did you talk to them personnally

Why should i tell, so you offer 1 gem more than me and snag it?

[severe cargo]

Wait its not the same person, im dumb

[severe cargo]

Yo you're the one selling for 55.555k in market right?

[prime salmon]

Yes I did

[rose juniper]

You mean the purple one? its was 35k when I yonk it.

[severe cargo]

Damn, i wish they werent dead set on 55k

[prime salmon]

U might as well buy it celestial, it's a better deal than before 😭🤭

[wraith seal]

just got home you want it for 55？

[severe cargo]

For 50, instant buy, for 55, no sadly. But good luck you can prolly sell at that price anyways

[lament skiff]

This is the flash I'm talking about

[severe cargo]

not worth it

[solid kestrel]

do you have a job, a place to live and a new life for me in murica? :3

[shy pond]

no but EU servers exist and you chose suffering instead

[solid kestrel]

i chose my friends, the friends that don't play anymore
but now i have made new friends ;w;b

[shy pond]

rip u

now u suffer

[solid kestrel]

will you be my friend?

[severe cargo]

Ill be your friend if u manage to sell me a sunflower for 50k or less

😼

[shy pond]

no i quit

[steel python]

Another summoner gone

[solid kestrel]

return and get a sunflower, we can be besties

[barren drum]

💳 monners. @steel python DODO! buff when?

[steel python]

One day

[barren drum]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-menacing-cursed-gif-8800082052821236868

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[shy pond]

sunflower soon

:)

i prob still wont play tho

[solid kestrel]

[shy pond]

other stuff coming out on the 28th im interested in

[minor sun]

elden ring

[shy pond]

oh yeah forgot that

but no

new mmo

my year is suddenly stacked with new mmos

crystal of atlan on 28th, vindi alpha on the 8th i think, chrono odyssey cbt shortly after, blue protocol, aion 2.

[severe cargo]

Blue Protocol? didnt that get cancelled

Oh well im not really on point with news

I just saw

Star Resonance

[shy pond]

sold to tencent, releasing global this year with none of the amazon censorship, better classes and combat.

[severe cargo]

Im definitely trying it out

Then

[shy pond]

game is supposedly fixed now, but still some endgame issues atm.

but its in beta so, feedback time.

looking really good

[minor sun]

issue is no news on what endgame is since its lvl locked

[steel python]

Wasn't tenten on the blue protocol train

[shy pond]

yeah hes been uploading alot of videos from the beta i think

[steel python]

https://imgur.com/a/riwYWt1

he doesnt play bns so i can post this here again

[shy pond]

[severe cargo]

https://tenor.com/mO0ahiqZjTK.gif

[solid kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[steel python]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[fiery cape]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[true stirrup]

oh i just partied with you

i had to spam apply like 5 times to get in lmaooo

[fiery cape]

which party?

[true stirrup]

CS

[fiery cape]

oh im not the lead hahahaha

[true stirrup]

lmaooo its a hard life as a summoner

[fiery cape]

u have big stacks haha

shouldve auto accept

[karmic flint]

The hate is still sitting deep D:

[solid kestrel]

well if you look at world bosses... like besides top 10 everyone would be below ~12k in CS

and even within top 10 there are big gaps

this was last night's WB

i do like 25k in cs?

#10 has half my damage owo

ah i thought that was related to my CS comment

[wet jacinth]

14k CS is nr 12 in Cinderlands.

[solid kestrel]

are they not participating or is there just enough population on your server, i'm viridian so

also, everyone besides bskii and me in top 10 are sunflower players :)

so you can't even count on that much def reduction from them in dungeons

yeah :c

[wet jacinth]

Nr 11-12 does 14-15k in cs

[solid kestrel]

it's just a huge gap between whaling and not whaling

and mainly fomo because they push updates far too fast

[karmic flint]

I mean put back mechanics on dungeons and it may be more interesting to play

[solid kestrel]

mechanics are for cars

yeah that too, instead of just training dummy dps check :/

[forest rivet]

WTB Blue Hornet Nests (3 piece) send PM EU

[brittle gust]

Ppl preparing for next content I do wonder how many purple hornet nest gonna be in market soon

[quartz wind]

hi I am currently using sunflower/earth build and am checking to see if I should be replacing some of these skills with more duplicates of sunflower or just stick with the current set

[severe cargo]

Those non round numbers trigger me