oh i mean you asked for it so π€·π»ββοΈ
#Summoner
jovial haven
jovial haven
ohh sorry
oak sand
for your horesnt
stiff salmon
9 green book stacks
oak sand
i didn't mention that at all what i was talking about is how the class should perform slightly better in terms of damamge thats all
And the different between blue and purple Sunflower
but i'll keep up with Kisa maybe i'll learn something new i didn't know about
@fervent bison
fervent bison
i mean, thats fine no?
oak sand
Fine for some parties some other not
i'll hit you up once i'm online
i'll leave it for now i hope they buff the class by any mean because i was not used to play summoner like this in BNS live
gusty kiln
WTB CR CD Poh ring 10k on NA
sharp wedge
WTS on EU
solid kestrel
wtb purple hornet nest on na :3
jovial haven
wts on eu
solid kestrel
@prime salmon plssss leave one purple hornet for me 
prime salmon
LOL i didn't buy the one in the shop.. π
minor sun
π€ how much is it going for in na now?
prime salmon
typically 15k-25k max but someone wanted to be mean and put it for 45k today
ofc no one is buying it tho
prime salmon
ye the prices on this game are wild asf lol hopefully selectable comes soon so we can be gone with these prices
minor sun
1st few selectors will prob b blues sadly
but at least dupe sunflowers
i just want a decent event that isn't 2 card boxes tbh
lament skiff
Some BPs had insignia boxes. Imagine getting that instead of skills
rose rover
WTB Virtuos Mystic badge Hornet Nest NA Serv
shy pond
wtb purple hornet :) NA
marsh maple
WTB purple sunflower NA
slate topaz
wtb purple sunflower EU
solid kestrel
wtb purple hornet NA :3
prime salmon
S> these gloves on NA market
fiery cape
guys, can someone explain how is "onrush" work
elder wyvern
Wtb NA heroic Rumblebees
unreal birch
WTB purple hornet nest in EU
wet jacinth
Any tips on C def reduc weaving?
Im playing hornet and pmuch always out of focus, my dmg decreases so much using it π¦
warped marlin
Any tips on C def reduc weaving?
Im playing hornet and pmuch always out of focus...
Just gotta cycle through def q, def petal storm, drain with badge and briar patch. also probably want to play in melee so u can also give your team focus with the first 2
If you overlap them too much ull likely have focus issues
raw dew
what's a midroll crit 3 slot bracelet go for?
NA server*
sinful cove
Any tips on C def reduc weaving?
Im playing hornet and pmuch always out of focus...
DEfense reduction is not about your damage but about the party damage, it can give up to 2k extra DPS to every other party member.
sinful cove
guys, can someone explain how is "onrush" work
if you ever played Live version its basically what the ruby gem does.
Chance for 3 guaranteed critical hits, and if it procs they deal extra damage
lunar pendant
WTS EU
fervent bison
someone saw the light of just using siren accessories lmao
solid kestrel
how useful is purple besties?
so far i can't really see any use for it
sharp wedge
how useful is purple besties?
so far i can't really see any use for it
One of the most important skills
solid kestrel
but important for what? o:
sharp wedge
but important for what? o:
Healing?
solid kestrel
people need healing? 
sharp wedge
3 hits from Mujin aoe and you're dead. Helps a lot with the already tight dps check when dps can afford to tank few extra hits.
solid kestrel
ah, new dungeons, all i ever did was cold storage so far so i don't know the other 2 fights
solid kestrel
@warped mural are you on NA? if yes what else do you have for sale? o:
warped mural
<@160882991789244416> are you on NA? if yes what else do you have for sale? o:
uhh i put up a besties for 10k LOL cause thats how much i bought it for .. and uhh some blue hornets
sold like 3 earlier and put up another 3
idk what other blue skills you need LOL
solid kestrel
oh in that case i'll just be a bit more patient, blue hornets were down to 1.8k for a while :3
warped mural
okiess
gusty kiln
WTS Purple heat ray photosynthesis, purple seed shroud, purple rose thorn photosynthesis and purple surprise gift on NA. Ping or dm me offer
fiery cape
wts purple rumblebee + purple DnGloom NA
maiden dock
Is it worth using this?
marsh maple
WTB purple sunflower NA
warped marlin
WTB purple sunflower EU
unreal birch
WTB purple hornet nest EU
steel python
WTB purple hornets nest NA
oak sand
Isnβt the best way to get purple book is spamming BBR
steel python
Hongmoon credit card -> Spam chats with WTB 
oak sand
This is the super fast method iβm looking for the fast one only
oak sand
actually yesterday Purple book dropped in kitchen run but i had only 34 gold and someone got it with 43 
mighty radish
you guys have gold?
warped marlin
i always run around with atleast 100 gold just incase a purple drops
even on my alts
orchid bronze
brave cedar
Selling purple rosethorn photosynthesis 4k NA
crisp talon
I heard in KR they also spam BBR cuz its so fast
Cold storage drop 2+ Green guaranteed but bbr you can solo
0.55% for purple (shared) ,bbr is 1 blue chest attempt every 3.3 run while CS is 2.5 run, aka 1 blue book every 16.6 / 12.5 run aka 1 purple every 83/62.5 run. 20 extra run but u can solo / own all loot so maybe BBR is the play if u don't care about card chest and other stuff
lament skiff
Is that EU? Saw one earlier today
orchid bronze
70k LOL
oak sand
i always run around with atleast 100 gold just incase a purple drops
You are GIGA yea iβm not xd
gusty kiln
Wtb purple flower NA
lament skiff
@sharp wedge Is that forever or until focus grapple?
lament skiff
Does Drain block on the robots in cold storage?
sharp wedge
<@106285138668691456> Is that forever or until focus grapple?
Until we get the focus grab. Basically on twins it can be justified to pin just as a cc so that you can better cleave when they are stacked
mighty radish
smoking the magic pipe are we
chrome epoch
they smoked for every dc
warped mural
@solid kestrel i listed like 2 of my blue hornets for 1.8k if you still needed them LOL think theyre the cheapest rn
solid kestrel
<@150281999557459969> i listed like 2 of my blue hornets for 1.8k if you still n...
bought one, ty :3 need the rest of my gems for some other things
crisp thistle
how much is purple hornet nest in NA?
solid kestrel
how much is purple hornet nest in NA?
15-40k
crisp thistle
yea i wouldnt pay more than 25k lmao
neon willow
25k is way too exaggerated for a skill in a game 
wet jacinth
25k is way too exaggerated for a skill in a game <a:SOBS:1006408925958123592>
Sadly skill stacking will only make it more expensive 
marsh maple
WTB purple sunflower NA
jovial haven
can someone help me pricing this? eu
stiff salmon
claw is the only realistically viable rumblebees build but the build still is complete ass so don't think anyone's buying over min price lol
jovial haven
claw is the only realistically viable rumblebees build but the build still is co...
i dont even know whats the min/average price for this
theres only one for 8k but dont think anyone is buying that
stiff salmon
mean min price of like a purple book at all
like 2k
shouldn't be anyone looking to buy for much higher rn since patch is still recent ish so it's gonna be a while until people buy for cope cat changes are in next patch
not eu tho so there could be someone out there buying them for infinite for fun for some reason but that's all the book is worth
jovial haven
alright thanks
jovial haven
shouldn't be anyone looking to buy for much higher rn since patch is still recen...
sounds like na summoners will go for the cope π
jovial haven
loool
stiff salmon
dog company wouldn't give my cat changes
can still be 10k+ bsh on cat if I go back but no point..
chrome epoch
dog company wouldn't give my cat changes
what do you want for changes
stiff salmon
cat just needs to use my stats
(which is supposed to already come with patch)
main problem with the spec is just that the cat has zero ways to scale
I could hit 1k ap and the cat would still be at 700
and still wouldn't even have 2k crit
cat literally had 25% crit rate in bsh while I had 55
warped marlin
after playing purple sunflower this shits complete ass compared to hornet because u cant keep up def reduction properly
someone buy it off me π
formal beacon
after playing purple sunflower this shits complete ass compared to hornet becaus...
purple doom n root has been ok with keeping it up
sharp wedge
someone buy it off me π
I can buy your purple sunflower
warped marlin
purple doom n root has been ok with keeping it up
might be the play to just hold it and prickly stance for def red
but idk if focus will be an issue then
wet jacinth
Does prickly stance apply 4 or 5 poison?
warped marlin
4 so you either lmb or purple lunge
lament skiff
Or walk into AOEs with 4 and prickly again
fervent bison
after playing purple sunflower this shits complete ass compared to hornet becaus...
severe skill issue tbh lol
wet jacinth
Or walk into AOEs with 4 and prickly again
Does 4 give a poison stack, u mean?
lament skiff
No, it resets prickly on successful counter
wet jacinth
Oho
fervent bison
well, you want to abuse counter as much as possible anyway
thats just a really nice bonus
warped marlin
severe skill issue tbh lol
show video of your clear so i can learn π
fervent bison
i dont have purple sunflower, but lunge + prickly stance + pin + occasional lmb is more than enough π
even lunge alone is enough if the cat doesnt get cc'd
lunge gives 5 stacks per 10s
wet jacinth
Grrrr need purple prickly for that...
warped marlin
yes but ur not hitting a training dummy
wet jacinth
Silly p2w books
fervent bison
thats why you have three other tools to help you
warped marlin
which
fervent bison
warped marlin
pin and lmb are kinda not reliable
fervent bison
the biggest issue (that might even be solved with purple sunflower) is just that def shred costs 3 focus
fervent bison
you only do that outside of overflow (where it is just a minimal dps loss) and only if absolutely necessary
warped marlin
i dont disagree
fervent bison
dont forget that having 5 poison stacks on the enemy increases your super sunflowers damage
so it can be worthwhile to apply five stacks before entering overflow to use the def shred during overflow if it were to run out
lament skiff
Or make friends with a hornet player
warped marlin
its less than a 10% increase on super sunflower but if theres 5 stacks on a boss and a sum isnt pressing C while the def debuff isnt up they kinda just trolling
fervent bison
yeah but you can have both the def debuff and five poison stacks on it
i am just talking about a situation (which will happen quite frequently when you rely on purple lunge) where the def shred will fall off during the overflow but you wont have 5 stacks on the enemy when that happens
so you have to plan for that while outside and use one or two lmb
and it probably wont end up being a big damage loss because you (1) go +3 focus compared to using rmb (2) you will have five poison stacks until you have to apply def shred again
obviously always priorities def shred over your own dps
warped marlin
i am just talking about a situation (which will happen quite frequently when you...
who are u watching for this to happen quit often..
mighty radish
someone buy it off me π
solid kestrel
WTB purple venomous rosethorn NA :3
fervent bison
who are u watching for this to happen quit often..
myself?
its almost guaranteed if your def shred is running out during overflow, because lunge usually can only supply like 3-4 stacks due to cat cc
warped marlin
its almost guaranteed if your def shred is running out during overflow, because ...
do u think it may be possible that with blue sunflower u dont go into overflow as much so ull lmb more and have more poison stacks in general because of it
sharp wedge
its almost guaranteed if your def shred is running out during overflow, because ...
Prickle Stance + Lunge (consider cat cc) won't be anywhere near enough to allow this to happen
fervent bison
Prickle Stance + Lunge (consider cat cc) won't be anywhere near enough to allow ...
i am not even considering prickly stance here
sharp wedge
i am not even considering prickly stance here
Then you should never be at a situation where you have 5 stacks very often while def reduction is also up
fervent bison
why wouldnt 3-4 stacks be possible? is your cat cc'd for more than four seconds per 10s?
sharp wedge
why wouldnt 3-4 stacks be possible? is your cat cc'd for more than four seconds ...
Lunge has a cooldown, you have to keep your cat on Q a lot as well so you can't spam lunge 24/7, bosses do whatever random cc stuff, you have to beckon to clear debuffs from cat
fervent bison
and tbh this doesnt even have anything to do with "not being able to keep def reduction up properly"
fervent bison
Lunge has a cooldown, you have to keep your cat on Q a lot as well so you can't ...
you dont really have to use q, i think you are severely overvaluing the focus recovery compared to def shred
sharp wedge
and tbh this doesnt even have anything to do with "not being able to keep def re...
Well yeah there are no excuses for poor uptime other than poor play
sharp wedge
you dont really have to use q, i think you are severely overvaluing the focus re...
Focus recovery is not for me but for the real dps in my team
fervent bison
i get that focus recovery is very good, but if you struggle keeping up def shred you should prioritize lunge compared to cat q
yeah ofc
sharp wedge
i get that focus recovery is very good, but if you struggle keeping up def shred...
True, but if you struggle to keep def reduction up to a point where it actually makes a difference then there's something inherently wrong with how you play
fervent bison
really depends on your investment level, i dont have prickly stance for example lol
so lunge is my main way of applying poison, which works out fine enough
sharp wedge
really depends on your investment level, i dont have prickly stance for example ...
You can buy green prickle from vendor
fervent bison
though i assume as he has purple sunflower that he has purple prickly stance as well
fervent bison
You can buy green prickle from vendor
focus is my main problem, non-purple prickly makes this even more of an issue
sharp wedge
though i assume as he has purple sunflower that he has purple prickly stance as ...
Purple Prickle is insane because you can reset the cooldown with seed shroud
fervent bison
no purple daybreak and purple sunflower
i guess i could try relying more on cat q and use green prickly stance
tho the prickly stance cooldown is a bit rough
do you know what melee classes/specs actually profit greatly from the focus?
wet jacinth
you dont really have to use q, i think you are severely overvaluing the focus re...
As non-summoner duot with a summoner I do not agree with this statement.
Focus heavy classes such as FMs and basic stance BMs value the focus so so much its insane.
hushed schooner
you dont really have to use q, i think you are severely overvaluing the focus re...
no, just no.
you can still do def debuff while using q partial of the time. it takes quite a bit of managing your cat between beckon, q, def debuff, but possible.
just flat out dismiss q that helps the whole party is just looking for the easy way out.
fervent bison
your choice, if you think 2 focus every 2s over 10s is worth losing def shred uptime thats your thing lmao
fervent bison
no, just no.
you can still do def debuff while using q partial of the time. it t...
please read the full conversation π
cyan needle
WTS EU Cinderlands
Offer
fervent bison
1k 
cyan needle
1k <:bns_blush:1198525068007981156>
β¬?
fervent bison
π
orchid bronze
LOL
hybrid tide
LMFAO
earnest oak
is purple sunflower worth the hassle of more annoying gameplay/cost of entry over purple hornet?
or is the damage somewhat similar
minor sun
Just need kr patch to help with poison stacks tbh x.x and I assume once we hit lvl 55 -def won't matter as much
earnest oak
are you referring to sunflower?
minor sun
Yeah
Lmb venom rosethorn gets a buff to reset stack timer
It was posted in this channel near channel creation
earnest oak
but i'm still wondering about the damage difference
cause i'm sure as hell not paying 60k for sunflower
minor sun
No idea about purple differences sadly have yet to get 1 myself
earnest oak
yeah same, blue books hornet obviously come out on top but purple sunflower is such a game changer
stiff salmon
base purple sunflower pretty much same as purple hornet because hornet stacks are cheap
minor sun
Of top summoners in my server they all got purple hornet/sunflower and it seems hornet is coming out on top but that could just b skill/ping/gear
stiff salmon
so hornet is just better for the price
sunflower has higher peak if u put another infinite amount into stacking blue sunflowers
minor sun
Hoping bp gives me purp sunflower but it's prob going to give me doom and bloom again x.x past 3 purp books have just been terrible
stiff salmon
but if ur just using the 1 base purple sunflower purple hornet would be better
earnest oak
yeah i guess hornet just loses a lot on the aoe, but it is what it is
stiff salmon
^ yea only real benefit on sunflower is aoe
minor sun
Whichever purple I get 1st is the 1 I play is what I've decided
Excluding rumblebees >.>
gusty kiln
wtb purp flower NA
marsh maple
WTB purple sunflower NA
reef steppe
WTS hornet purple
warped marlin
WTS purple sunflower EU
prime salmon
WTS hornet purple
has it been sold?
prime salmon
well if anyone's interested in the hornet, its 50k lol
prime salmon
yeah, just tryna save ppl's time
wet jacinth
I can't believe ppl have that much copium it'll ever get sold over 30-35k, even that is on the high end but okay 
reef steppe
nah 50k its negotiable bro
prime salmon
might as well buy purp sunflower at that price lmao
wet jacinth
If u ask 50k I wont even negotiate, I'd say lmao bye.
reef steppe
oh oke bro i will use it
wet jacinth
Good! Hornet stronk 
fiery cape
my friend alt life, 1 from 50 box , 1 from bp ~_~
prime salmon
bro, i got purp rumblebees from the BP
wet jacinth
Where to buy that rngeezus
wet jacinth
bro, i got purp rumblebees from the BP
Clawnado angle 
prime salmon
my friend alt life, 1 from 50 box , 1 from bp ~_~
they needa give that luck to me π
prime salmon
Clawnado angle <:POG:1191521002790846585>
BRO LOL i heard even with that rumblebees is cheeks
wet jacinth
Eyyyy meng
when u get 40gm clawnado u can NEARLY solo baylee
Just a tiny buff to go 
fiery cape
meanwhile my main rng
wet jacinth
even a purple venom LMB is prety nice to get
prime salmon
that too, im so envious lol
prime salmon
;w; at least u have other ways to get poison stacks tho..
wet jacinth
yeah if you can afford purples
but at that point just buy purple lmb venom
Prickly + Lunge is only a few k less then venom
prime salmon
Prickly + Lunge is only a few k less then venom
some ppl have been delusional and selling venom for 15k+ lmao. lowest ive been it is maybe 11k. at least prickly and lunge is less than 10k π
wet jacinth
Prickly+Lunge is what, 8-9k?
Venom should be around 12k
(and venom is ALOT better QoL lmao)
fiery cape
i thought lunge is bad, i got tradeable once and sold only 3k lol
prime salmon
Venom should be around 12k
it was recently on the market for 20k and decreased to 18k, not sure if someone bought it, but it was no longer on the market π
wet jacinth
it was recently on the market for 20k and decreased to 18k, not sure if someone ...
Love spending 100g just to try and bait whales
warped marlin
anyone with hands tried clawnado rumble bees spec yet..
prime salmon
i thought lunge is bad, i got tradeable once and sold only 3k lol
it used to sell for 2-3k, but now it greatly increased to around 7-9k
prime salmon
anyone with hands tried clawnado rumble bees spec yet..
let me know if u hear anything about it.. might just reroll and sell all my hornets if its type decent π
warped marlin
if its super cheap on EU (lless than 10k for full build) ill try it
because both hornet and sunflower are not it for me
wet jacinth
Oh, whats wrong with hornet? 
wet jacinth
Fair play
when i had green bee build I macrod C tab C tab C C
so i never acidentally cancelled my clawnnado π
prime salmon
mfs inflating the price on hornets now that its practically getting near the price of sunflower (or at least inching its way up there).
might as well go sunflower atp
forest rivet
wtb purple hornet nest EU Cinderlands, hit me up with price / negotiate in pm
stiff salmon
anyone with hands tried clawnado rumble bees spec yet..
has no scaling so it hardcaps like 12k bsh with full purple stack investment
the scaling is bad enough that stacking lmb books is pretty much equal to clawnado books
(claws are ofc cheaper tho)
ur also hard locked into using full 8 soul shields
stiff salmon
yea it only scales with the type of soulshield u have on
none of the actual stats on them mean anything
with like perfect gear
cat caps out at 700 ap 2k crit
lol
stiff salmon
yea but if ur only using it for bleed u wouldnt have any investment for it
so ur prob not even gonna do 5k
cyan needle
WTS EU Cinderlands
Offer
stiff salmon
this was damage distribution before i swapped off at 42 gm claw
sunburst was low here normally match the other 3
warped marlin
this was damage distribution before i swapped off at 42 gm claw
42 GM claw π
seems unplyable
doubt even the upcoming buffs will save that spec
rose juniper
Quick question, should I using this instead of blue vernomous rose? I'm Sunflower build....
wet jacinth
Quick question, should I using this instead of blue vernomous rose? I'm Sunflowe...
I am using it but that means I have no poison applicators without Prickly+Purple Lunge to apply Strike def reduc.
Pick your own poison, pun intended.
sharp wedge
Quick question, should I using this instead of blue vernomous rose? I'm Sunflowe...
Boss damage is what matters, not some left click aoe....
sinful cove
i got daybreak xD
i wanted sunflower though
purple lunge is actually great
its the best poison applicator with lowest dps downtime considering lmb / rmb have a gcd
if we are talking about buying then yeah totally agreee
sinful cove
none of the prices are lol
rose juniper
If wl go live and I didn't get purple sunflower yet I'm going to change to wl....
sinful cove
WL prices will be higher than summoner
rose juniper
WE ARE DOOM 
earnest oak
wtb purple hornet EU
sinful cove
how often do any of you use blue besties?
wet jacinth
Never because its a waste of a skillslot.
sinful cove
and purple?
wet jacinth
Same thing.
mighty radish
dont worry, was a stupid post, i dont know anything
lament skiff
Is the threshold to not miss in blood mane known?
wet jacinth
1.4k accuracy.
lament skiff
Aaah
wet jacinth
Better get a Detect cardset, Garuanteed 2 hits AND crits after u miss
And pray it isnt an important skill missing
mighty radish
Yea, need to reroll some gear 
mighty radish
Dmg?
wet jacinth
7k ish
Using cat focus Q for the melees, HIve swarm for the melees
Party shroud for red spin
cat pin for the def reduc
rose juniper
Now I feel like hitting a wall, 750AP 2800/2000 CritR/D all siren and completely broke. I'm sitting at 12.5k dps to dummy, I have no idea how to improve it further without purple skills....
warped marlin
purple skills will be ur biggest increase..
sharp wedge
Now I feel like hitting a wall, 750AP 2800/2000 CritR/D all siren and completely...
Get a purple sunflower to these stats and you should double your dps
fervent bison
you can likely already deal more damage against the dummy with those stats
like 15k?
assuming sunflower
rose juniper
Well, I'm playing with 180ms so that might be where 2.5k gone to lol
fervent bison
oh lmao, yeah that would check out
fiery cape
Using cat focus Q for the melees, HIve swarm for the melees
i play support lyfe too hahaha
mighty radish
Get a purple sunflower to these stats and you should double your dps
anyone see a purple sunflower for a decent price?
Grind for a month to get a selection box and choose the skill i want, no problem. Rely on pure rng or paying 40k gems for a book, no way in hell
rose juniper
If they just sell it in F10 like 2000dg i would buy it in a heart beat, but welp, its NC...
cyan needle
WTS EU Cinderlands
Offer
earnest oak
is doom n' root a long cast as well like bloom?
lament skiff
It's not channeled, no
earnest oak
how does it work? same as live?
lament skiff
I don't know how it works in live. Instacast like DnG but requires a target
earnest oak
in live you just pop it and it's done, can't be canceled like gloom does
i wouldn't call DnG insta cast
since it can be interrupted
minor sun
Cast is like .3secs or so..I anicancel it with briar or sunflower most the time
Tho I should prob disable briar 
earnest oak
why would you disable briar
that's like 80% of the reason to even use doom 'n' whatever
minor sun
Dmg seems eh on it
Doom and root I use purple for poison since I don't have purp prickly
minor sun
Purp daybreak, hive swarm, cat q is all the focus I need
minor sun
What skills should I have my enhancement points on anyways? Sunflower build
earnest oak
don't think it matters much but i use on doom and bloom and briar
prickly if purple since it resets so often
besides rmb and lmb ofc
forest rivet
WTB Purple Hornet Nest EU
karmic ermine
in a good mood so first person that sells me a purple Petal Storm Toss (put it up EU market) for 10K I buy it, I dont care about any other prices than exactly 10K, also want to sell purple Hornet Nest, 29.5K on market (bought, sold)
marsh maple
WTB purple Sunflower NA
gusty kiln
Wtb purple flower NA
prime salmon
piggybacking ^
bleak vale
@fleet blade I miss you here too
wet jacinth
Do it.
warped marlin
naw already sold
there was another sum selling for 70k might have lowerd it and is trying to sell again..
steel python
Honestly 55k is almost fair given the recent prices 
wet jacinth
Hell no, Not a single book should cost over 30k.
30k being reserved for the "very big" main skill upgrades
steel python
I mean i agree but given that I've seen books disappear at 70k
wet jacinth
They just time out
steel python
Yeah im NA
wet jacinth
NA got dem Tarrifs on Korean Skillbooks
wet jacinth
prime salmon
every time i see EU prices, i think to myself yall are living the dream ;w; with the exception of ddos
wet jacinth
No ddos here, Just rewards 
prime salmon
that too π
wet jacinth
Got a free 45g without being affected
warped marlin
i wish i was playing NA because then i would have quit the game already
wet jacinth
@warped marlin How do you cycle focus on the hornet build to be able to have Strike C uptime?
I can't afford purple skills atm but do use Blue dng+briar, Blue hive swarm and blue drain for focus regen.
Can't rlly use the cat Q because of the ranged baits...
I am perma out of focus ...
warped marlin
without Q it might be abit tight on focus but u can recall ur cat back to Q it
if u mean last boss bsh1 boss i usually bait aswell but i just adjust my focus regen abilities so i can stand in Q after i bait because it has a cd
wet jacinth
U don't use your cat for the melee pumpers?
I usually am the only ranged guy
warped marlin
i do! i usally use the hive swarm in melee aswell
but i kinda got a feel when ill have to bait
or when i mess it up once i just party counter the group
he does a voiceline before
u can do that every second one
earnest oak
wtb a cheap virtuous soul badge for hornet EU
warped marlin
but we also grapple boss on cd so its easier to time the range bait aswell i guess
glacial viper
WtB venom LB for Summoner 
Purple book
formal beacon
i tried doing cs and only did like 6k π’
wet jacinth
i tried doing cs and only did like 6k π’
If you did 6k but you are grappling, applying defensive reduction and helping your team with focus recovery, you did your job.
orchid bronze
90% of the playerbase: Summoners suck!!!
glacial viper
yep
orchid bronze
I was literally ignored twice on different dungeons because I was playing summoner
glacial viper
yeah but we have to recruit and play with those people that rage and say omg why you do no damage you suck sooooo
wet jacinth
If I recruit a summoner I look for Smothering Paw and cat focus Q.
If they don't have it, he ain't joining
formal beacon
If you did 6k but you are grappling, applying defensive reduction and helping yo...
i did! but id hopefully like to do more
orchid bronze
meanwhile the bbr parties: 4 summoners 1 bm
formal beacon
hopefully 2k more would brighten my confidence a bit
glacial viper
wtb poison LB
XD...why they make summoner gameplay so difficult like give me focus regen on blue lb and ill stop crying about it
formal beacon
thank you though btw
glacial viper
your welcome
orchid bronze
gonna be so funny when you will need summoners for the future dungeons they are forced to recruit us
glacial viper
there forced with us now already
wet jacinth
I think the main issue is 99.99% of the summoners and FM's (sorry not sorry) have no monitors.
yday we had a 840Fm with 6 gm purple icerain do 6k dps in CS
orchid bronze
I have only seen like 2 people like that π€·ββοΈ
wet jacinth
U can do more just holding lb.
orchid bronze
yday we had a 840Fm with 6 gm purple icerain do 6k dps in CS
LOL
warped marlin
If I recruit a summoner I look for Smothering Paw and cat focus Q.
If they don't...
i thought people dropped smothering because it overwrites C reduce with a lower duration one 
glacial viper
you can do both but then thats Slave mode
wet jacinth
i thought people dropped smothering because it overwrites C reduce with a lower ...
It's a more "noob friendly" way of applying def reduc.
(Don't you use it yourself 
)
I don't trust pugs to have Strike uptime LOL
warped marlin
i see i see makes sense
fair tbh i have seen even some whales play sum and they aint keeping it up 
warped marlin
you can do both but then thats Slave mode
i think thats just sum..
wet jacinth
Thoughts about applying strike, Recall cat, Q focus on yourself untill next strike 
glacial viper
i dont mind slaving and doing all mechs for party..i just want focus recovery on my LB else its to much of a hassle tbh
warped marlin
i think its fine if ur pt dont need focus
glacial viper
we all need focus
wet jacinth
Looks like a, Deal with it angle and just recall into focus recov 
WTB Purple Venom LB, 500 dg max offer 
warped marlin
as long as ur applying c reduce 90% or more of the time ur probably doing better than most sums..
glacial viper
XD they still crap you out for doing below average damage
some people should have no accses to the internet....they should make them go through a test or something
wet jacinth
Purple seedshroud
Lets trade, seedshroud for venom lb
warped marlin
im blessed
glacial viper
My static are all BM 5 BM and me XD
Ballanced
Static beeing a very very loose word XD
warped marlin
atleast ull always have hm block
glacial viper
yeah but most of them dont want to leave Draw stance to pop HM block XD
so shroud it is sometimes XD
There amazing players tho..im Blessed to..Now someone needs to bless me some more with Venom LB purple!
same with blocking..need to leave draw stance so sometimes we just need to PUMP more
ignore everything and just PUMP
patent briar
can any hornet players share their log files for parses for bsh1/2. I just want to get an idea of how high uptime the strike debuff gets applied in practice
glacial viper
thats is very very dependent on how the fight went uptime will vary so much from the same person i think
dont get to lost on the " Perfectvision " of the uptime
wet jacinth
yeah but most of them dont want to leave Draw stance to pop HM block XD
The god squad
patent briar
yes but people discuss the class as if everyone had perfect uptime on the debuff. a 6k dps summoner might be contributing enough if they have over 80% uptime on the debuff but I'd be less inclined to say so if they were below 50%.
glacial viper
ofc
wet jacinth
But then again if thats 50% uptime but the summ is using cat focus and hiveswarm focus for the melee squad, other stuff is being contributed
Summoner is a bit of a hard one to calculate π
glacial viper
6k dps is not so nice but what can you do when the Developers made it like that
you do what you can, people should understand that summoner is slave class atm
patent briar
yeah but then we're definitey getting into the more "cope" territories of measuring contribution. Not all classes are going to benefit a ton from the focus regen since they need to have their builds function when there isn't a summoner in the party. Like BMs/Bds have probably one of the best utility skills in hmb with how much extra damage it can allow the party to do by dpsing through attacks but nobody tries to factor that in because they expect BMs to be contributing enough personal dps
wet jacinth
All I know is (me as a Hybrid BM) and my friends playing pierce/puncture hug that focus recovery cat like it is giving out free purple skills.
wet jacinth
Whenever it returns from grappling we hawk that cat to see where it is and move our asses over there to catch some free Focusium 
I think i'd still prefer Def Reduc uptime over free focus, but if the summoner doesn't have means to stack poison to apply this, The focus recovery and grapple reduction is a good deal aswell.
glacial viper
i will do both 2k dps inc but you will have Focus and def reduction
silent spire
horrible cursed and nightmare
warped marlin
will surely be crazy next patch
silent spire
i need daybreak π¦
silent spire
will surely be crazy next patch
if there is no focus cost i will uset it
like 3 focus cost just insane
silent spire
notbad
gusty kiln
Congrats! One sold for 35k today on NA you saved a lot π
glacial viper
Jealous
shadow plank
its around 25-30k in EU, i already have purple hornet dunno if i sell it or not
gusty kiln
Did anyone else get something good from theirs? I got venemous
wet jacinth
its around 25-30k in EU, i already have purple hornet dunno if i sell it or not
50 gems
Take it or leave it
Okay 75 gems, U drive a hard bargain.
mighty radish
sinful cove
Did anyone else get something good from theirs? I got venemous
i got daybreak
gusty kiln
That one is huge. I went from failing blood mane to clearing instantly
Best 10k I ever spent so far
stiff salmon
can any hornet players share their log files for parses for bsh1/2. I just want ...
bloodmane and mujin
i have purple so its 3 hits every time, means all of these strikes did successfully apply def reduction assuming each reapply average 9s (i checked and it mostly is 9s just dont want to actually count)
~85% uptime in the bsh1 run and ~70% in bsh2, can be alot higher in mujin but its kinda just dependent on last phase meteor rng
(it says customenc because i had to seperate damage done only to the boss because mob pull before griefed the actual log)
can be ~95% in bloodmnae but its dependant on whether cat gets stunned at really bad time or if robots happens to explode on cat when boss does red aoe
also cat dies in these fights if i dont spam pot and i just dont feel like it most of the time lol
gusty kiln
Cat dies so often I save besties for it xD
forest rivet
WTB Purple Hornet Nest EU
shadow plank
30k and i sell it to you π
forest rivet
shadow plank
sharp wedge
WTB (EU) Legendary Bracelet/Gloves with Crit Dmg + Crit Rate / Accuracy
marsh maple
WTB purple sunflower NA pm price
prime salmon
@marsh maple @severe cargo NA purple sunflower for 80k on the market apparently
sinful cove
80k? Wow went down by 5k last i saw
tbh that 80k is better kept and used to bid if a legendary one drops from world boss xD
sinful cove
Might not be worth it if its an rng box
I mean its a 50/50 chance for legendary rng box either way
well no sorry 33%
lament skiff
The legendary box has 6 books in it
sinful cove
rumblebess / hornet or sunflower
lament skiff
The world boss box only drops that for Summoner?
sinful cove
The legendary box has 6 books in it
? we only have 3 legendary skills
lament skiff
lament skiff
More rng = more swipes enjoyment
frank vault
hello guys, just letting you guys know, a guildmate got a sunflower purple on Cinderlands EU server.
it wont be cheap but its gonna be available within minutes
sinful cove
LOL
mighty radish
hello guys, just letting you guys know, a guildmate got a sunflower purple on Ci...
stiff salmon
EXPIRE -> RELIST HIGHER IT NEVER FAILS
sinful cove
makes you tewmpted to try sell a book much cheaper so someone thinks he can make a profit by reselling
sinful cove
i'd rather keep the 70k and bid on legendary weapons xD
orchid bronze
real
I mean if you think 70k is gonna sell you are crazy
unless some whale is like hurr durr i wanna play sunflower instead of hornet oh look there's one right now buy
orchid bronze
π€¦ββοΈ
solid kestrel
yea whales will buy at 70k for sure
frank vault
and im not telling anyone to buy it, just letting you know if someone has the wallet
lament skiff
The lack of legendary summoner gear from the 2 new dungeons makes me think there aren't any
solid kestrel
on viridian there's a hand full
rose juniper
The lack of legendary summoner gear from the 2 new dungeons makes me think there...
There's people buying Sunflower for 60K+ of couse there's whale.
prime salmon
@rose juniper someone's selling venomous rosethorn for 15k, not sure what server it is though
rose juniper
<@161021742293188608> someone's selling venomous rosethorn for 15k, not sure wha...
Oh thank you.
steel python
NA is the 15k venom rose
rose juniper
Quicl question! How much acc I need if I want to change to Hornet build? for cold storage I mean
sinful cove
Quicl question! How much acc I need if I want to change to Hornet build? for col...
you need crit, crits cannot miss, and you need to crit to trigger the instant cast
though try aiming for at least 900 acc
rose juniper
though try aiming for at least 900 acc
I currently have 2880 critR should be enough for a while... I think? But I have only 600 acc. Might have to change some SS.
rose juniper
Also hornet is very ping dependant
Really!? its slower than Sunflower so I thought, it DPS loss will be less.
rose juniper
do you have acc on soul and mystic badges?
Oh right, I can just reroll that. Thank!
sinful cove
huh? i am not following that logic o.o
rose juniper
Well, Hornet is 0.7 cd and super sunflower is around 0.3 I think. With 180ms, its like add 0.18 into the CD. So for Hornet its become 0.88 and Sunflower will become 0.48.
My Sunflower will shoot slower(DPS loss) around 40% While Hornet is only around 20% just roughly calculate.
is this logic wrong? The number might not that accurate but I just want to show how I think it work.
steel python
Sunflower is better for high ping
because AutoGCD
It kicks in when you hold down a button to cast that skill on gcd so you don't actually lose much dmg to ping
rose juniper
because AutoGCD
This is new to me, Thank!!
Wait, this mean just hold down the button is better than using Macro?
rose juniper
omaigoto
sinful cove
You cant really animation cancel with sunfloer so no need for a macro
steel python
For example, when i played sunflower, i (80ms) have the same amount of super sunflowers during overflow as a 20 ping summoner and a 200 ping summoner
rose juniper
I'm manage to squeeze my dps out more from 12k to 13k after stop using macro lol.
I should have know this earlier xD Thank by the way.
steel python
No problem
severe cargo
<@237349105922342913> <@171404007602913280> NA purple sunflower for 80k on the m...
Dont see it
prime salmon
Dont see it
Probably someone bought it π aint no way.
severe cargo
Probably someone bought it π aint no way.
Aint no way
steel python
blissful hedge
WTB 50k EU
prime salmon
No one selling hornets or sunflower and I keep getting rumblebees from boxes lol. I think the game is tryna give me a sign..
gusty kiln
Got a purple Gimme light....should i use it or sell it? o.o
on NA that sold for 7k today and yesterday
severe cargo
WTB Purple Sunflower NA, DM price
lament skiff
I need more than 18 skill books
frank vault
There's people buying Sunflower for 60K+ of couse there's whale.
it got sold for 70K apparently 
ancient swan
@sharp wedge when we will see this on you? π
wet jacinth
Tw/jp and their stick figure characters lmao
sharp wedge
<@106285138668691456> when we will see this on you? π
I would buy lege sunflower but I wouldn't gamble it for myself
lament flame
How much the price for this skillbook ?
mighty radish
lament skiff
I wonder what the solitary blue skill is
wet jacinth
I wonder what the solitary blue skill is
Smothering since there is no purple
lament skiff
Is that for poison?
wet jacinth
Cat grab def reduc
Yes u loose 3sec uptime on Strike when u use it.
No it doesn't matter because grab is -50% instead 30/40%.
Every summoner in Korea (that isnt a full sunflower stack dps summoner) has both Strike and smothering.
Every summoner i've seen in Korea, even with Bds in party, do the grabs (even in 4man Lab).
earnest oak
if you strike just before pin you can keep the strike uptime as well
so cc strike pin
wet jacinth
General ruleset is just, Use strike if you can.
Use grab (and extend max) if you can with smothering paw.
If you die or have to do mechs, do Strike after when you have the chance.
Don't sweat "I dont have 100% uptime" nonsense
warped marlin
realistically ull lose some uptime regardless when grabbing on def debuff because the grab is just too long and u cant always have the perfect timing for the grab
lament flame
How much the price for this skillbook ?
Is this useful for pvp or pve?
earnest oak
it's a fodder book afaik
lament flame
,π₯²
wet jacinth
Rather have a boss down maximal time with free dps then sweat for 1 more second of def reduct π
earnest oak
yeah but if you know the cc windows well you can hold off using strike and save it for just before the pin
but it's indeed very sweaty and doubt most people care for it
scratch that, smothering paw overwrites strike
wet jacinth
π
rose juniper
I recolor this outfit and just noticing, isn't this outfit is just a qipao? lol
solid kestrel
someone just listed on NA if anyone is rich enough 
rose juniper
someone just listed on NA if anyone is rich enough <a:Laughguya:9288525638629089...
Wow, its 1dg cheaper than EU π
mighty radish
@shadow plank sus
prime salmon
hornets for sale
shadow plank
Why ? x)
And i'm selling EU
mighty radish
Why ? x)
And i'm selling EU
also looking for bracelet xD
mighty radish
Why ? x)
And i'm selling EU
trade you
gusty kiln
wtb purp flower 70k NA
jovial haven
wtb purple sunflower 100k
rocky vortex
Hi hi, for how much is rn actually selling purple hornet nest? its those 40k from market accurated or just for any desperate whale?
gusty kiln
40k fake, two sold for 35k this week just wait for it to drop
rocky vortex
Kk thanks!
solid kestrel
Hi hi, for how much is rn actually selling purple hornet nest? its those 40k fro...
15-20k is fair, 25k is pain but maybe ok
anything over that is just big whale bait
jovial haven
15-20k is fair, 25k is pain but maybe ok
anything over that is just big whale ba...
for how much did u buy urs
solid kestrel
i gambled and won :3
but from others i've heard 15k, 18k, 25k
vernal rune
<@312939758424686593>
Yes
sinful cove
tbh i rather keep the purple sunflower rather than sell, thats the only thing that will significantly boost your dmg, even with the gems from selling nothing else will do the same xD
gusty kiln
That and skill book stacking is why itβs never on f5
solid kestrel
tbh i rather keep the purple sunflower rather than sell, thats the only thing th...
play a different class and buy cheaper books owob
vernal rune
Hi, what is better hornest or sunflower? Because i dont know what buy. Im new
solid kestrel
purple sunflower > purple hornet > blue hornet > blue sunflower
that's more or less the order
solid kestrel
no one really knows, it's too expensive for people to have both
most top people on viridian run hornet, but that's cheaper to stack
vernal rune
Ok thanks but i dont know rotation for hornet
solid kestrel
lmb + rmb spam
vernal rune
Focus?
wet jacinth
is purple sunflower even better than hornet?
Its the same but more dps greedy.
Plenty of ppl have tried both.
autumn osprey
anyone knows the dps difference for Purple Sunflower and Hornet Nest?
vernal rune
Or blue πππ im poor and prefer blue now
earnest oak
Its the same but more dps greedy.
yeah i imagine it's harder to do stuff with sunflower
wet jacinth
anyone knows the dps difference for Purple Sunflower and Hornet Nest?
Zero in ST, Sunflower has AOE.
Ppl usually play Sunflower cuz it looks cool, Hornet cuz its ever so slightly cheaper and eassier to execute mechanics and utility on.
earnest oak
hornet is a lot more stable too
vernal rune
So people like looks good
earnest oak
i feel like it's really hard to mess up rotation with hornet
vernal rune
for focus: lmb, hive, drain, q
Thanks
Ok thank you guys, i buy hornest
I will buy π
Who has to sell cheaply? π
solid kestrel
oh and doom & gloom if you don't cancel it all the time like me XD
vernal rune
if I cancel bloom will focus regenerate?
solid kestrel
you don't want bloom because that's a long channel -> dps loss
gloom if you cancel you get nothing, it has to hit
vernal rune
Ok thanks i understand
sinful cove
Damage wise sunbflower and hornet are similer, but hornet relies more on crits, while sunflower just needs photo stacks which are much easier to get.
I'd play hornet but as my ping is between 80-100, sunflower is jsut better for me. Plus i got it from the 50 box so....the game wants me to use it xD
solid kestrel
I'd play hornet but as my ping is between 80-100, sunflower is jsut better for m...
how important is ping with hornet? owo i'm playing with 100ms and everything is "ok" so far, but i just don't know how it would be with low ping
sharp wedge
Yes u loose 3sec uptime on Strike when u use it.
No it doesn't matter because gr...
You're forgetting quite an important point that with a recent patch the Smothering Paw in KR also got the focus grab effect so that ppl get 20% focus recovery when they hit the target. Before that update, summoners were strictly prohibited from pinning the targets
still maple
who selling that
severe cargo
Wtb purple sunflower NA dm me price
sinful cove
who selling that
idk but buy it o.o
still maple
time over :/
minor sun
How much u guys think a 60cr/100cdmg belt with 3 slots/ 3 mantras would go for?
sinful cove
How much u guys think a 60cr/100cdmg belt with 3 slots/ 3 mantras would go for?
check if there are any on the marklet currently, then check one then the other and estimate
mighty radish
its hard to find any good CR/CD with 3/3 slots. either sold or people selling in chat
minor sun
Checked market last night and it was 8k for a 2 socket I think
Got the 3 socket 1 to drop last night
mighty radish
nice
minor sun
And ofc the dc happened so no idea if it sold xD
glacial viper
prime salmon
WTB purple sunflower NA
lament skiff
Worth selling? I don't think I need a backup
solid kestrel
and as said, the 40k hornet book sold owob some whale got it (might have gotten canceled but i don't believe so)
jovial haven
Worth selling? I don't think I need a backup
gimme
quartz mortar
hey guys
i want to know Β΄what is beter drain or the thorn strike ? for hornet nest#
because for drain i have to go meele that i can hit it
solid kestrel
drain, you don't need to hit the boss for focus regen buff from mystic badge, obviously better if you do for hp + dmg
lament skiff
I imagine any variant of 2 will trigger the badge
quartz mortar
thanks nia
prime salmon
and as said, the 40k hornet book sold owob some whale got it (might have gotten ...
r u serious someone bought it π
solid kestrel
yea seems like it, it's not there anymore and nothing new relisted as far as i've seen
minor sun
Could just not have logged in yet since it wouldn't let na this morning
And b at work still
solid kestrel
Could just not have logged in yet since it wouldn't let na this morning
just keep restarting the game until it works, i had to restart 4 times
40k was too cheap, got to sell for 45? or is this a new book
minor sun
Maybe they seen the old 1 sold for 40k so trying their chances xD
stiff salmon
EXPIRE -> RELIST HIGHER NEVER FAILS
lament skiff
Well, they got the timing right this time
lament skiff
TIL my seed shroud can block the robots in bsh
barren drum
@steel python buff the summoner
old lynx
wts purple hornet nest
prime salmon
in case anyone wants to buy these hornets lol why are they suddenly showing up
severe cargo
WTB purple sunflower NA PLZ IM Desperate!
gusty kiln
Anyone know how much fel bid for that staff?
gusty kiln
Thanks. The last person got theirs for like 20k less
glacial viper
in case anyone wants to buy these hornets lol why are they suddenly showing up
still soo expensive for no reason QQ
gusty kiln
I dc too lol. π guess itβs bed time
fiery cape
I dc too lol. π guess itβs bed time
3 of my friend got banned, and the dc time is same with us
check your account before sleep LOL
ok me too, WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
elder veldt
It look like to be autoban wave, so if you unfortunately got ban, try send the ticket early so your case got solved before tons of people submit it
fiery cape
where to submit ticket btw?
fiery cape
It look like to be autoban wave, so if you unfortunately got ban, try send the t...
this one?
shadow plank
WTBuy Purple Sunflower EU Pm
oak sand
ok me too, WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What have you done ?
mighty radish
What have you done ?
Tried to play BnS Neo in 2025
fiery cape
nothing,afk
ancient swan
Tried to play BnS Neo in 2025
RMT 100%
jovial haven
anyone knows how much is purple dng price?
gusty kiln
The last one that actually sold and didnβt expire went for 6k and it was 2-3 days ago
sharp wedge
Any buyers in the EU?
oak sand
nothing,afk
So unlucky feels bad for you .......
solid kestrel
people over in neo-chat are memeing too much so no clue what might be the reason for bans
maybe act/ dps meter but some people claim they didn't get banned despite using it
or macro usage but same with that, some people claim they didn't get banned
or it could be something entirely different no one is thinking of (discord game overlay? nvidia shadowplay? anything that interacts with the game could be a cause)
fiery cape
maybe long online time
mighty radish
Just ncthings
rose juniper
Hey guy, what is the condition to get a cut from world boss bid? I'm around rank 50 and get nothing ;w;
solid kestrel
it also has to drop an item for people to bid on
sinful cove
Hey guy, what is the condition to get a cut from world boss bid? I'm around rank...
THere are different groups for cut %, also the item needs to drop on the server you are. you dont get a cut if the drop was on a different server
mighty radish
With all the chaos going on, enjoy the AI art of my summoner
lament skiff
Hey guy, what is the condition to get a cut from world boss bid? I'm around rank...
It must've been a drop from the other server's world boss
ancient swan
people over in neo-chat are memeing too much so no clue what might be the reason...
or simply for RMT. they just tracked bot logs and gg
lament skiff
On the EU wb 90~ mins ago, the drop was from Cinderlands
mighty radish
You guys bet on wb items?
solid kestrel
or simply for RMT. they just tracked bot logs and gg
can't be that either unless it's essences but then probably everyone who bought even one stack of essence would get banned
sharp wedge
It's some anti-cheat false alarms. Some are already getting their bans overturned
mighty radish
It's some anti-cheat false alarms. Some are already getting their bans overturne...
Anti cheap in this game
ancient swan
can't be that either unless it's essences but then probably everyone who bought ...
no, its not about essences. its not how it works. yes, bots sell essences, then gems are moved to gems account and from that account, bot buy items from peoples, who RMT. so they might caught 1 of that gem account, then they just checked trade logs
solid kestrel
no, its not about essences. its not how it works. yes, bots sell essences, then ...
and that's what i'm saying is not it because i got banned and never rmt'd o:
unless i got you wrong and you're trying to say something else?
still maple
WTS Sunflower 70k EU
mighty radish
WTS Sunflower 70k EU
still maple
π
solid kestrel
same :3
severe cargo
WTB Purple sunflower NA plz IM desperate!!
elder veldt
With all the chaos going on, enjoy the AI art of my summoner
what is your promt? anime style?
paper elbow
is purple rumblebees better than blue sunflower
stable whale
anyone have blue book skilltree?
lament flame
What is a suitable price for this soulcore?
still maple
WTB Purple Hornet Nest on EU
raw dew
7k is a meme price for that. you can roll double crit in ~20 tries and cheap blue cores are 500 each and breakdown into 4 fragments
rose juniper
Finally reach 15k dps on dummy with blue sunflower. It's a pain... 
lament skiff
Well, that's unlucky
still maple
WTB Purple Hornet Nest on EU
minor sun
games telling u to go rumblebees and spam that hammer
still maple
WTB Purple Hornet Nest on EU
elder veldt
help out fellow summ [NA]
wet jacinth
Doom n Root vs Doom n Gloom for Hornet?
stone aspen
Doom n Root vs Doom n Gloom for Hornet?
gloom
sinful cove
And if its about Blue Gloom v Purple Root?
gloom
wet jacinth
And why is that?
sinful cove
All others except gloom require you to keep casting for 5 hits, gloom is instant
wet jacinth
Root is also instant i think?
shadow plank
root is instant much more better for hornet imo
wet jacinth
U pop it it does poison and readys briar
sinful cove
if you only want to paply 1 stack every 18s with it go for it
Root applies 1 stack every hit and it casts for 5 hits
its basically normal doon and bloom without the poison and briar on hit
sinful cove
My thoughts exactly
stiff salmon
its basically normal doon and bloom without the poison and briar on hit
I don't think this guy knows what dnr does
minor sun
Umm doom and root is just a dot on boss u ain't casting anything
If anything the animation is faster than doom and bloom by .5secs
wet jacinth
That's what I was thinking ye lmao
minor sun
U just don't get focus back like bloom and instead 1 poison stack every second till 5 stacks
wet jacinth
DnR is a fire and forget but no focus back
Thats why I asked if its "better" for hornets
I just got purple from bp
minor sun
For hornet maybe not cuz u just lmb anyways for poison stacks
wet jacinth
But if I got purple LB poison I wont even use briar anymore
I have to use it now for focus
wet jacinth
If only yast was still a thing to check something 
minor sun
I use root cuz I'm sunflower
And no purp prickly
Tho with cat q, drain (photosynthesis version forgot name), hive swarm, brair, and purple daybreak I just hold rmb with blue sunflower
sinful cove
Root should not stack DoT, because its 1 stack per hit, if you stop the animation it will stop applying the Dot so if you jsut fire it and use briar after, it will only apply 1 stack
You need the full animation for 5 stacks
Even for hornet Gloom is better because you get even with blue: instant +5 focus and if you have briar 1 focus every 2 sec
warped marlin
dnr fully stacks poison it has no animation u can stop
pretty much use once and forget
sinful cove
Then the description is completely wrong for it
does the damage also trigger 5 times?
Then i stand corrected .-.
yeah i was confused because it says "every hit" and "over 5 attacks" lol
minor sun
id prob stay the same even after kr cuz ud need purple lmb right?
to refresh the poison stacks
sinful cove
purple lunge is better for that since it doesnt screw over your rotation
or rmb holding xDF
tru but.....16k ofor purple prickly is a nono xD
prime salmon
isnt it cheaper to go prickly + lunge, or is it mandatory to get venemous?
minor sun
1 day ill stop getting doom and bloom from purple chest x.x
3 so far outta 5...
such a useless book
ive been lucky in transmuting books
all 4 of my sunflowers were transmuted
still no purple 1 tho 
prime salmon
i thought DnG is good?
sinful cove
gloom is instant, puple gives +5 focus and +3 photo stacks
earnest oak
gloom is instant, puple gives +5 focus and +3 photo stacks
gloom is not instant, root is instant
gloom is faster than doom but can still be canceled and it's annoying
yeah i switched to root cause of the pick up thing, it's so annoying to use it everytime i try to pick up field boss loot
for some reason it always uses the skill
disable the skill, easy fix
peaceful life
prime salmon
why is petal so expensive now lol. in NA it was like 2k
LOOOL yeah im ngl i locked that ability too. my summ friend said its a good ability but tbh i dont really need it bc i dont have focus issues
stiff salmon
EXPIRE RELIST HIGHER
prime salmon
LOOOOL u kill me
severe cargo
WTB Doom 'n' Root and Prickly Stance NA! Please be reasonable with price, DM me or tag me in here
prime salmon
yeah i tried it out, and it really eats up all my focus. i think at the time i had 2 other focus regen skills too
minor sun
root should only go for couple thousand..tried selling it for 2 days at 4k/3k and didnt sell until 2k lol
i gues my post timing was just off then
whenever i get the chance
wasn't lucky yday
severe cargo
whenever i get the chance
Dm me first!!
minor sun
if i get something useful sure
steel python
Any idea on how much this would be worth? I'm thinking of swapping off acc to go pure crit and detect card set
gusty kiln
Damage/accuracy usually sells for more than rate/accuracy. But your ring is already true and psyched. Surely someone will pay 7k for that?
I havenβt seen many trued sum rings with good stats hit f5. Usually just base ring. Unsure how much people are willing to pay to skip upgrading it
still maple
WTB Purple Hornet Nest on EU
severe cargo
WTS Virtuous Hornet Badges in NA DM for more info
prime salmon
WTS PURPLE HORNET - NA
steel python
stiff salmon
DOESNT SELL = WORTH MORE
steel python
I think the funniest was the prickly not selling at like 10kish and now being listed for 16k
minor sun
besties is the same atm was 10k and now its 12k
knotty rampart
WTB Purple Hornet Nest or Sunflower EU
glacial viper
Our next and first " Event" if you can call that outfit..already in the wardobe ..probably next week
Weird part is...could we not get Labirynth and get the tree Dung??? cuz that outfit is in our wardorbe and the Lab outfit is not i think????
wet jacinth
You might be correct... Or they simply forgot one of the outfits (very NCsoft alike).
According the roadmap BOTH dungeons should be released at the same time mid-end may.
glacial viper
You can adress me now as Prohet!!!!
sharp wedge
You might be correct... Or they simply forgot one of the outfits (very NCsoft al...
Battle Pass ends on May 20th. Let's see if we get 4 or 6man versions of them
wet jacinth
4 man lab, 6 man tree most likely
The 6 man lab is an "event" (we dont get events)
rose juniper
Its 2 days away to May and I can't even do BSH yet. and barely can do CS
wet jacinth
As a summoner don't cling to the "u need 14k dps" to do BSH
8-10k + your utility is moooore then sufficient
mighty radish
8-10k + your utility is moooore then sufficient
you run with party or randoms?
wet jacinth
you run with party or randoms?
Both
warped marlin
i cleared bsh 2 with 8k dps..
wet jacinth
You are a special sunflower tho
wet jacinth
Not everybody got access to 3 of the 10 big whales EU have
warped marlin
True..
wet jacinth
But ye, 8-10k is sufficient. Can't expect a summoner to do 16k dps lol
mighty radish
7k actually my apologies
hungmoon carry right there xD
ran with someone doing 34k yesterday
warped marlin
ran with someone doing 34k yesterday
his gaming chair just better than urs..
mighty radish
haha probably XD
wet jacinth
he probally also has a giga good headset
mighty radish
you dont want to see my chair, got no back rest
warped marlin
self torture ngl
wet jacinth
Shrimp mode is -5k dps
glacial viper
i cleared bsh 2 with 8k dps..
same ^.^
Got my AP achiev aswell...Worth!!! i call myself Mother of Mites!!!
warped marlin
we just better
glacial viper
Got amazing Party Ngl XD