what u can do is leggy dchar and change 2 purple dchars to purple WTDs
#Force Master
floral zodiac
jagged hull
Please dont mix DD and WTD 
cursive turret
yeah prob stack dchar still for sure, but i chose to go legendary DD for the burning, and max speed
floral zodiac
yea u shld def get leggy dchar next if u can then
median sonnet
the way dragonchar works, is you have 3 versions, one thats 1s cd, using it unlocks version 2, that has 0.5s cd, using that unlocks version 3, which has ~0.4s cd
version 1 and 2 consume 3 focus
once u unlock version 3 u can use it for 2seconds, any use of version 3 refreshes this duration, so if u constantly spam it remains version 3, unless u stop for more than 2s
version 3 is what the game calls "boost"
legendary dchar is just version 3 always
so u dont have to do the first 2 versions, that are slower and take more focus
nova tendon
when will BB have maximum boost
median sonnet
cursive turret
right so dchar ramps up the CD reduction, to get to max boost, but is that different form DD's grant max speed for dchar on hit?
cursive turret
no, dd just unlocks "version 3"
so legendary dd (unlocks 'version 3' aka maximum boost?) does the same thing as one of the features of the legendary dchar( maximum boost at legendary book)
median sonnet
yes
legendary dd unlocks the same thing that legendary char is all the time
they are both version 3
its why i recomend gettin legendary dd first before legendary char
cursive turret
so back to my original question, if i have legendary DD, then going from purple to legendary dchar, is just stacking more dmg. no new 'features'?
median sonnet
basically yea
other than niche situations like where ur dd misses, and boss moves away for 1-2s or something like that
cursive turret
ok thanks so ill hold off on it, it's not needed other than more dmg
proud ore
is this why the GM is low despite purple skill book?
because I got DD mixed up?
I was wondering why GM is only 3 although I have multiple DD skillbook...
should I get rid of the Speed Increase DD?
cursive turret
for purples, the first book doesnt count
proud ore
blue gives 2, green gives 1
then with the purple i should have 9 gm no? why does it indicate that i have 3? ....a bug?
jagged hull
for purples, the first book doesnt count
^
The same is true if blue/green/white was the highest tier of your book
proud ore
ohh thank you for the info .... had no idea T^T that makes sense now
jagged hull
Why the wildfire
jagged hull
Kd z is such an annoying skill 😅
jagged hull
around 350k in Machi
Without sum?
nova tendon
I know, but my party somehow happy about it so I keep it there
nova tendon
Without sum?
With Sum
jagged hull
Sounds low then
But dont really know how much you would be expected to deal with that gear on dragonchar
nova tendon
hmm, would love to hear about it
jagged hull
Am missing like 4% of my attacks, dont recommend
nova tendon
jagged hull
(Also 3k force below this)
I dont recommend missing multiple consecutive dual dragons
median sonnet
i made a video guide for floor 36
basically
her rotation is 3 attacks, 2-3 hit normal attack -> spin aoe -> 4 hit combo
with kiss if u get range checked
for the 2-3 hit attack u can just walk out of
for the aoe spin same, u just walk out
jagged hull
Countering that 4th hit was very unreliable for me
I ended up just q/e-ing it to get past the floor lol
median sonnet
and for the 4 hit attack, u can use impact
the trick is
to use first impact
the moment she dissapears completelly
if u get the timing right
u can just hold 1
and it blocks all 4
thats what i do in the vid
jagged hull
I broke so many weapons the day I tried this boss
tawny siren
around 350k in Machi
can you show his card sets?
nova tendon
can you show his card sets?
Already off, tmr I will
south palm
Interesting still considering switching class everytime I go anywhere with any other class I feel so weak
I just don't want to spend$85 (£65ish for me) on this game
Might have to get drunk and just switch I have the gold
nova tendon
can you show his card sets?
tawny siren
i see thanks
jovial ocean
I'm trying to macro dragon char but it seems to end up only spamming 2 after a few seconds
proud ore
is meteor shower worth getting more gm?
350% attack power seems pretty good... but wonder if it is worth it or should i rather use purple books for something else
jagged hull
is meteor shower worth getting more gm?
Takes too many books without legendaries
Would prioritize dragonchar and dual dragons first (if thats your build)
nova tendon
Takes too many books without legendaries
Do you use meteor? Im wondering how to add X to the rotation to make metor/blazing wall cd faster
and also more effective.
jagged hull
I think it should be +30% crit dmg in 10s
Yeah its this
Havent been able to find a leggy meteor yet
Dont know how long the dd instant cast inferno lasts (thatll be the main factor)
But meteor and inferno effectively have the same cooldown (25 / 24 seconds)
nova tendon
Dont know how long the dd instant cast inferno lasts (thatll be the main factor)
i use beam so...
inferno instant cast a lot
jagged hull
i use beam so...
Ohh hmm, I think beam just tries to maximize meteor then
I think you would only delay Inferno if Meteor has a few seconds left
nova tendon
I think you would only delay Inferno if Meteor has a few seconds left
noted. Gotta try that out
Im currently using BW but intending to switch to meteor. I dont feel much dps diff with 15s crit dmg buff from BW especially beam global CD is 1s
Let alone in combat we use QESS
jagged hull
The uptime should be pretty decent, but yeah it doesnt look that impressive
Especially if you have good cmdg% cards
nova tendon
inland kraken
hi guys, is bbdd stronger than bbwtd?
jagged hull
hi guys, is bbdd stronger than bbwtd?
Its less damage than the wtd build, but overall more party damage if youre the one applying bleed
Lower aoe damage may be problematic (compared to char dd or any wtd build).
nova tendon
hi guys, is bbdd stronger than bbwtd?
No it isnt
But my teammate is happy about me having the bleed so...yeah
Fyi, the newest cat dungeon in KR heals 800k HP per sec
So bleed is one big plus
jagged hull
Fyi, the newest cat dungeon in KR heals 800k HP per sec
Its 406k/s
jagged hull
I know
nova tendon
jagged hull
Its per 2 seconds
nova tendon
Oh really?
nova tendon
Hmm
If it was 800k/s then HP with regen should be around 1.3b
But it only said 1.1b
radiant pendant
Guys i think im switching from wtd ice rain, to dd ice rain
Im done with the casting time and spamming dragonblaze & dragonfrost is also pain
It will make big nerf if I switch or what u think 🤔
nova tendon
Guys i think im switching from wtd ice rain, to dd ice rain
Im done with the ca...
😭 I dont think ice rain can be the main source of dmg in the current patch
but I do know one or two person who playing this build in TW
inland kraken
Its less damage than the wtd build, but overall more party damage if youre the o...
so... how to build now bbwtd? which books should I keep from the usual bb with leggy bb and wtd?
nova tendon
48 bb then all in wtd
jagged hull
Infernal Blow (instead of blazing palm lmb), Frost Palm and Wildfire (has to be purple book) too
south palm
New dungeon( cat dungeon) never for me I'm too embarrassed to go to machi lol. I'm 33.5k+ but when I run fist /bibong and see the numbers of other classes it's embarrassing and I'm trying my best staying ftp.
610k dps I can't see any regular fm player hitting that with current builds.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong
winged badger
mao is 410 after bleed and mech, dont take the yast number on face value
and machi is 314 after bleed
jagged hull
Need to look into the mechanic
Machi feels like it would be very doable with min. force with char dd (not quite at min. force, so just guessing what my damage would be at that point.)
tawny siren
i'm doing 700k on machi, if i'm not tanking
mao doesn't look like your uptime would be significantly lower
nova tendon
<:Worrythink:1376313663929057440> mao is 410 after bleed and mech, dont take th...
You mean it still has health regen even with 5 stacks of bleed
median sonnet
why would he mean that
he means it needs 410k if u have 100% uptime bleed
before taking mech dmg into account
jagged hull
sounds like he meant 410k after mech dmg (and 100% bleed).
inland kraken
Infernal Blow (instead of blazing palm lmb), Frost Palm and Wildfire (has to be ...
so BB X and V is useless now?
jagged hull
so BB X and V is useless now?
X you would only use to support V (and X is better used without book in that case)
Im not sure wtd would care about either V
Since youre already able to spread your gm stacks between two skills (compared to the dd build which sees more diminishing returns from stacking only one skill, after 48gm dd).
Would still use either V if you have them as bound legendary over a purple bb/wtd
winged badger
does anyone have dmg spread of ice rain wtd
tawny siren
more or less:
wtd 70%
ice rain 21%
lmb 5%
rmb 3%
random stuff 1%
tawny siren
jagged hull
They really dont want us to run a kd
Did they really slightly shortened the gcd lol
tawny siren
looks like that's it
south palm
Wildfire, wtf I don't see a difference am I missing something
south palm
Can tou imagine you have played since day 1. Spent about 700 euro on a game nearly 34k sf.
You jump in a party with a class that was released a few months ago there 32k sf and they do double your damage......
Can you imagine...
I'm happy they boosted all the other classes but why they didn't boost fm utility.
All other classes have a cc as standard, fm you need to slot a book in and lose dps for kd or stun.
Nobody wants sheaf only hmb cus being stuck ice for 3 seconds is a dps loss.
Bubble not really been needed since asura was released.
I get nccosft I played live many years ago they just want our money it's just another cash grab. I get it but I don't want to play lancer full time I tried it switching my summoner and it's just horrible and boring to play
winged badger
Not like you guys didnt have the sf glory days 
New region soon anyway, who knows what will be the class which wins the dps balance roulette
south palm
I don't want to be top dps, I just wanna feel like in contributing lol
We aren't expected to kd and stun. It feels like carried class all the time
floral zodiac
I kinda get what you feel. Generally people just close an eye about it because everyone knows FM offers almost nothing notable utility wise except bleed if DD.
It's a smart move by NC to incentive people to class-switch from FM though. It was hugely popular prior to balancing so lmao.
hardy plaza
We aren't expected to kd and stun. It feels like carried class all the time
True
@tawny siren carried class btch
south palm
I'm still thinking of joining the warlock army but $85. Feels like selling my soul to the devil like so many have already.
I love playing ice fm and if I do switch to warlock it's just for the live nostalgia but what if I hate it because of the book stacking system.
And to basically lose all value on my leggy books turning them all to bound it just feels scammy
abstract trellis
Wildfire, wtf I don't see a difference am I missing something
Just ap scaling gets tuned up a bit
And gcd is lower for whatever reason
winged badger
You wouldnt wanna be stuck as warlock if the balancing roulette puts them in trash again.
WL in SF was the most attrocious class to use.
WTD is in a pretty bad spot rn but i dont think there is any content that you dont necessarily meet the reqs for in DPS. you are probably gonna get carried a bit buts not too much of an issue when 50% of the game is DLs or WLs.
floral zodiac
Yea I wouldn’t recommend switching for dps. To an extent, with enough gear, nothing is too difficult content-wise. Having a playstyle you dislike will ruin your mood even if you hit hard.
I was WL since it released in NEO, stuck with it knowing no matter how many leggy books I had, I would be outdpsed quite easily. Yolo.
south palm
Makes me sad seeing white numbers especially on wtd lol
winged badger
Makes me sad seeing white numbers especially on wtd lol
😂 it was kinda funny yest, that you had 71% crit on wtd on bibong when Lei had 57% on BB DD build.
south palm
Rias is hench. Probably does double my damage lol
I was tired yesterday minimal effort, work has been so busy lately
I haven't done machi for a few days kinda chilling which is a bit dumb cus the only card I need now is purpelo machi
Last time I did machi , near perfect run was about 330k with no summoner
I think the minimum is 400k ideally lol
winged badger
314 is min with bleed
south palm
Ye I think ideally say 4 ppl no bleed is like 400k
I don't see me hitting 600k for the new dungeon if I stay fm
That's the other issue. Unless I sink about 1k euro lol. That's not happening
winged badger
well, its designed with the assumption that you play with bleed.
mao is 500k
there is a guranteed 20% mech dmg. its unskippable wipe if you dont do the mech
I dont necessarily think that dungeons was designed with DPS reqs with lowest SF are intended for good team comps is a bad thing.
south palm
Oh interesting so I need to gamba all my skills to a dd build for bleed to be useful.
The problem is I'm not that lucky lol
winged badger
assuming FMs are similar to BMs, 414k doesnt seems that crazy, cause BMs do hit that in machi at 35k
tall gorge
may I see your f3?
i'll show it at next video o/
my max dps around 500-510k with %50 def break sum
south palm
500k is more than i expected. I'm thinking if I get to goldline all gear. Be lucky and find 3x blazing wall. I might hit 400k.
Celestial thunder isn't happening and I'm not raiding so mushin core is a no
jagged hull
Celestial thunder is gonna be pretty bad for wtd anyway
Wildfire, Dragonblaze, Dragonfrost all block you from generating orbs
tawny siren
500k on machi with a summoner just shows how dead wtd in actual content is
my highest dps at the end has been 718k as dd
south palm
Oh dear well I cant switch to dd cus I wasted a swap on summoner already. Fm market is dead and tbh I still love ice rain animation.
1 of 2 things will happen this weekend I get drunk and switch (I have the gold ready) or I carry on as I am.
Either way we will all be here next week moaning about something lol
abstract trellis
my highest dps at the end has been 718k as dd
Then it is on par with destro
Or almost i guess you have a bit more gear than me
jagged hull
not sure if icerain DD becomes viable after next buff?
Which buff
winged badger
the 4.75 to 5.6x ap mod buff
jagged hull
Still too low compared to char and bb
tawny siren
Then it is on par with destro
how much are you doing on it?
my soul badge is +6 but that's the only difference i could see
tawny siren
so pretty much the same like you said
abstract trellis
There you have it folks time to drop wtd and go dc/dd 
south palm
If my lotto numbers come in tonight I will try it out. Or I quit and revel around the world for a year haha
abstract trellis
I mean tbh at this point there is no reason to play wtd since dc/dd deals more dmg and brings bleed
I mean if you enjoy wtd gameplay more then i guess 
south palm
But I like ice rain animation and play style.
And there's no feasible way to switch market is dead, gamba box is basically 100gold a roll
abstract trellis
Nah double class swap is the only way
south palm
Can't double class swap I used the $35 to switch my summoner to lancer which was a big mistake. I don't even want t to log that character in anymore lol
That's what alcohol does though. It made perfect sense at the time
abstract trellis
jagged hull
Just convince support to get you another class change
hardy pond
My friend dosent speak english so i ask. He plays Dragon char with Dual Dragon what are the must have skills aside from thoose two?
I think he can change some to get 48GM on Dual dragon
jagged hull
My friend dosent speak english so i ask. He plays Dragon char with Dual Dragon w...
Only these
(Frost palm can be blue tier book)
hardy pond
thx @jagged hull
jagged hull
thx <@696647789148635246>
I guess I should ask
Your friend is using legendary dual dragons right
hardy pond
@jagged hull yes he is
He also has Twin wicked dragon in stash but he dosent like that skill he said
balmy moat
I'm still thinking of joining the warlock army but $85. Feels like selling my so...
Why 85 usf though? The other class change is just £26 in British monies and the difference is, you'll have to fam 900g
FM... Unless you spend a ton or you are propped by your raid group ( like some here) then you ain't getting far
Whilst wtd is ok in MSP, nothing beats warlock there
winged badger
he used tat for alt
jagged hull
Feel like dd build should be better than warlock in msp
Unless warlock actually has the raw damage to outperform it (despite smaller aoes)
Though with enough gear char wtd should be basically the same speed
south palm
Why 85 usf though? The other class change is just £26 in British monies and the ...
I used the cheap switch on my alt summoner I have no idea why. I hate it
Well I don't hate lancer it just feels clunky but probably cus no leggy books and I'm not that bothered anymore
stark storm
balmy moat
Well I don't hate lancer it just feels clunky but probably cus no leggy books an...
I created a lancer on an alt because I was curious about the class. I disliked it so much I deleted it and never made a DL ever again. It's not for everyone that class.
nova tendon
is maximum boosted ice rain cast faster than dragonchar tho? Just asking out of curiosity
winged badger
same speed
but not sure
median sonnet
oh, no the counts are the same
u dont get more ice rain/s
cuz ice rain gcd is 400
jagged hull
wondering about their dmg
Ive never seen good damage from ice rain + dd
nova tendon
same
nova tendon
just seen him combo the dummy
F then just spam 2
no need RB and LB in between
first time seeing it
maximizing the 48gm effect of ice rain without worrying about chi
median sonnet
does he have wb wep?
median sonnet
then he cant spam 2 with the focus dual dragons gives 
tawny siren
it might be ok if u have celestials
it's still gonna be way below dragonchar + dd even with celestial thunder
if you take a look at this quick comparison #1357802440446971964 message
orb generation speed will be the same on both specs too
winged badger
isnt char slightly slower since it runs out of focus faster than icerain, so ud need to do occasional lb/rb?
im not sure how fm actually works but would u be not able to spam 2 then dual dragon every 8 sec.
tawny siren
unless you have wb weapon, you won't be able to spam 2 for 9s until dd is ready, even as ice rain
nova tendon
even tho we can spam 2 constantly
will it be better than BB/DD or BB/WTD?
getting so much DC/DD and BB/DD in TW recently
winged badger
wall over meteor on bb
nova tendon
Yeah, Im also using BB/DD and wall
winged badger
unless you have wb weapon, you won't be able to spam 2 for 9s until dd is ready,...
but why not, with like 0.65 cr, ice rain will consume 0.85 focus per cast.
1st 3 sec after DD is free. next 5 sec should be close to doable with 1 mantra proc.
so thats about 10 focus consumed across 5 sec , just in time for next DD
DC on other hand is 1.5 focus per cast, surely the fact that ice rain is able to be cast even if slightly more often means consistently faster orb generation for ct than DD even by just 10%.
tawny siren
<:Worrythink:1376313663929057440> but why not, with like 0.65 cr, ice rain will...
this is how the focus consumption looks like at 63% crit rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMX8pKma7A
even at 95% crit rate you run out of focus after 8s, while the dd cd is 9s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzUna3nH2Ps
nova tendon
Im interested in seeing this build in riel combat tho
Ice rain + DD + meteor
or something that make you spam 2 all the way
median sonnet
in real combat u will not have nearly as good a time
due to crit rate variance
at 60-70% u can easily hit a few non crits
and fk up ur 2 spam
winged badger
what if u put in a force blast
tawny siren
then you will have lower ice rain counts
the difference between 2 spam (2.5 counts/s) and 2rt (2.3 counts/s) is already not that huge
you can sustain 2rt infinitely with dd
nova tendon
and fk up ur 2 spam
still gotta be lower than DC/DD yes? 4.75x AP is so low
median sonnet
still gotta be lower than DC/DD yes? 4.75x AP is so low
way lower yes
like asa said, going from 2 spam to 2r spam is not that big a diff
in an ideal situation
median sonnet
still gotta be lower than DC/DD yes? 4.75x AP is so low
so no the lower focus cost is not enough to make up for the lower ap ratio
radiant pendant
I will sell my leg wtd and buy dd for my ice rain 🌧️ build ❄️❄️
I dont like wtd gameplay ☹️🤬
How much wtd worth to sell and how much dd worth to buy EU
nova tendon
I will sell my leg wtd and buy dd for my ice rain 🌧️ build ❄️❄️
I dont like wtd...
yes
please try it
found some smol new FMs with Ice and DD
radiant pendant
What do you mean by smol
They literally same SF as me
We big we will take over one day 🔫🔫🤣
nova tendon
radiant pendant
I put it 12k i think its a fair price
If not i will adjust it
If someone wanna swap books wtd with dd and give me extra 2k i will do it
I mean if u have dd and 2k gems and u want wtd i will swap it
noble citrus
I spoke with a level 77 FM from EU who uses DD and Ice Rain, and he told me that he didn't start noticing the damage until he had 4 legendaries (He has like 5 or 6 legendaries, but I don't remember if the 4 he needed were DD and Ice Rain) and that it wasn't reliable if you didn't have very good equipment.
It's been said many times around here, but I spoke to this guy because a friend told me about his character and I wanted to ask him about his experience
winged badger
whos tat
noble citrus
I don't remember the name, I'll look it up tonight and tell you. I'm working now.
nova tendon
Sum and fm buff is here
ice rain buff kinda pathetic tho
Wish if they can increase its ap ratio
steel marsh
At this point probably any ice rainbuff is more than welcome
south palm
Is anyone still here on eu, if so....
WTB leggy blazing wall x2 on eu
neat roost
And WTB Wicked on EU :p
copper flame
Wish if they can increase its ap ratio
nova tendon
still low tho
I want it more
like 8x for example
lancer deals 18.5x AP per LB in 0,5s
so 1s is 37x AP
median sonnet
try 25x ap with badge
nova tendon
😭
radiant pendant
And WTB Wicked on EU :p
How much u pay? Let me see if its worth giving you mine xD
Guys how much worth to sell wtd in eu or na ?
south palm
Any EU FM gamblers still playing WTB 2x Leggy Blazing Wall. Gems waiting 👍👍
hardy pond
I dont know about FM still asking for a friend who dosent speak english.
What is the Rotation for Dual Dragon + Dragon char ?
south palm
@median sonnet will answer never played it
hardy pond
Then ill dm him
radiant pendant
I don’t like the fail thing
Make u feel your whole day work gone for nothing
winged badger
whole game is based on dopamine of hitting that low % success and making u spend when u have series of failures.
nova tendon
noble citrus
Hi!! I'm sorry, I had a work accident and haven't been able to log in to play. The name of the EU FM is Xiana.
who plays with Ice Rain and DD
I don't remember who asked me, but there's the name of his character.
nova tendon
Anybody feeling the output dmg with the buff?
south palm
Nope still trash ice fm, but I haven't updated meter so don't know
south palm
stiil WTB 2x Leggy Blazing Wall on EU if anyone still alive over here
south palm
ye they probably forgot to put it in
winged badger
it is buffed
u coulda jst checked the skill base numbers before and after patch
5% buff is down to gameplay diff
tawny siren
it's only a 2.6% buff for bb, there's no way you would even notice that
south palm
My icerain is doing about 10k more per hit after wtd on machi. I think anyway. Not that noticeable when wtd is hard to cast when he is moving so much.
nova tendon
fM buff
Glacial beam I think it is ice rain
Dragonchar is BB, and blazing palm = drgonchar
Weird translation but it makes sense in this way
south palm
I'm completely lost is this the upcoming patch possible definite crit on wtd
copper flame
Mussang Badge, nice translate.... anyway it means, soul badge will increase WTD dmg also
deft fjord
ice rain buff when
copper flame
yesterday, next end of July in our version
tawny siren
based on this, but maybe slightly cleaner version
Ice Rain
base damage increased
badge damage increasedGM 18: additional damage on max frost stacks > always active
GM 30: crit damage buff > increased duration and amount
GM 48: additional damage increased
Dragonchar
base damage increased
badge damage increased
GM 18: additional damage on 5 hits > additional damage increased and lowered hit requirements
GM 30: additional damage on 5 hits > additional damage increased and lowered hit requirements
Blazing Beam
base damage increased
badge damage increasedGM 18: crit rate 1.5% per stack > 2.0% per stack
GM 30: additional damage added
GM 48: additional damage added
Meteor Shower
base damage increased
GM 18: 5s cooldown reduction > increased cooldown reduction
Wicked Twin Dragons
badge damage added
Q/E/SS
iframe duration > 1.0s
nova tendon
based on this, but maybe slightly cleaner version
Ice Rain
> base damage increa...
Where is blazing wall 😭 no buff for blazing wall
Ngl, I would still gotta use BW even this buff patch arrives
It deals good dmg in pvp
south palm
What is pvp on eu it doesn't exist
nova tendon
😭
Same in TW. Just ask someone to fight 1v1
Or beastbog
BW melts 30% of their HP
jagged hull
hmm
meteor has same pvp ap ratio
a little bit less damage on the first hit though
(and relies on the target being burnt)
nova tendon
meteor has same pvp ap ratio
The reason that I choose BW in pvp is because it's easy to hit with grip and each BW hit (5 times in 5 sec) instantly applies 5x embers and detonated
I cant get the same dmg with meteor except they are burned and they stand still in range
tall gorge
damn if they add wtd on badge its really OP update
but seems they will add it on new badge after dawncrest one ?
tawny siren
should be sacred and dawncrest badges based on my own translations
nova tendon
but seems they will add it on new badge after dawncrest one ?
Will they? I didnt see it is included
Wish if they can make imitation pierces parry and defensive
copper flame
it will be in sacred and dawncrest
copper flame
This translate should be more accurate
copper flame
probably 22-29.07
jagged hull
Can we add dd to the soul badge too
