Blade Master

[silver moth]

[silk beacon]

hmb takes me out of stance aswell, bm rn is a support class, hmb cc bot sadly

i wish i wouldnt get outdpsed by 90% of the classes with same/less gear but it is what it is, devs are stupid/lazy to take care of it and balance propery

[silver moth]

I mean they don't really lazy

They still buff for BD and WL

[silk beacon]

also DL has stupid dmg

[silver moth]

But refuse buff other class

New class

Of course if must have high dps

If not, who gonna play

[odd dagger]

BM is balanced , Light BD is not

Devs must be testing light BD with dumb macros which skip 2nd flash hit or something.

[wind merlin]

@odd daggerbm is balanced compared to what ? Summoner ?

KFM, BD, Warlock, DL, Destro and FM do more

[odd dagger]

BM only need to be balanced compared to BD

nothing else

[wind merlin]

is that the reason you rolled into DL , which apparently is getting even more OP soon enough

cuz its not enough atm

[odd dagger]

no i rerolled cause i wanted to be top 10 wb

and HS was getting less ping friendly with addition of sunstroke into rotation

DL KFM WL will always be stronger because it is intended for the classes without any additional pt benefits.

[unique valley]

Isnt HS GCD boosted though?

oh sunstroke

[odd dagger]

HS has a weird interaction where during boost duration it doesnt have auto bias

so everytime i press E , for 2 sec it will act like i am playing on my 130 ms but after wards it will go into full auto bias speed.

[wind merlin]

lel. like KFM really needed 2x ap mod boost on CK. Because base 100% crit and 50% crit dmg wasn't good enough, they made CK 13 ap mod. lel

and fair enough, WL was shaite and underpowered until recently, but they went way over the top on that

2k 3 books WL's do more than me by a big margin too

[odd dagger]

WL DL and KFM are pretty much equally balanced rn

[wind merlin]

oh wait they also have 10% crit rate and 36 crit dmg rolled onto a skill without CD

[odd dagger]

all 3 are sitting at relatively similar DPS, KFM and WL might be slightly higher than DL rn

[silver moth]

yep they skill still "fair" at some point

and we have lighting BD

[odd dagger]

idk, why you keep bringing up crit / crit dmg

[silver moth]

[odd dagger]

the only thing that matters is final DPS

Fire KFM has 100% CR

[wind merlin]

which is based on how much you crit or not

[odd dagger]

they do same dmg as BMs

[silver moth]

but crit/crit dmg effect to your final dps?

[odd dagger]

yes but KFM without crit wont do dmg

puncture with crit wont do dmg

[wind merlin]

same dmg as BM which has blew couple mortgage payments into card bonds

surely

[odd dagger]

fire kfm with crit

wont do dmg

[wind merlin]

thats very balanced

[odd dagger]

BM is not supposed to do dmg as other classes

its as simple as that

its a design choice

the only odd one out is the light BDs

they need to be nerfed hard

[wind merlin]

i would get that if dungeons didn't had massive dps requirments and were mech based

cough like old live

[odd dagger]

no matter the DPS requirement

u will always want HMB in pt

because HMB is DPS boost

[silver moth]

that right, i fine with kfm being strong, bcs they are from begin of game

[wind merlin]

i haven't seen a dungeon where HMB is a must have

convinience yeah surely its nice to have, but a must ?

[odd dagger]

sure you can "iframe" and block stuff , move around

[wind merlin]

it's not like Ebondrake Cittadel with the dancing mini where you MUST had stealth

[odd dagger]

yes its a must have to have hmb on bibong

and fist

[wind merlin]

oh please

its not

plus hmb protect party only from 1 of the 2 sets of punches

[odd dagger]

it also protects u from shoulder punch into aoe red during basic rotation

getting punched are ranged hurts like sh it

[silver moth]

yeah, i just realize EC is only dun u "must" having sin or sum

[odd dagger]

on bibong it literally lets u ignore red puddles on ground

[silver moth]

for mechanic

[odd dagger]

which otherwise would be randomly stunning u

cause of their weird ass hit boxes

on wolf , unless u wanna spam counters and blocks

his 3 hit combo is waay easier to play against as a tank.

[wind merlin]

there is very few BMs doing wolf

everyone is happy chappy with BD

[odd dagger]

no body cares

if its BD

[wind merlin]

to hell with BM

[odd dagger]

or BM

who comes

[wind merlin]

oh but people do actually care

[odd dagger]

who

Every pug i have been with asks for HMB

not for BD HMB

eveen then it still goes back to the original thing i said

[wind merlin]

because there is like 80% of the server doing wolf, right ?

many pugs

all happy chappy

[odd dagger]

light BD is the only broken thing with HMB

specifically light BD

cause wind BD is balanced similar to BMs

[odd dagger]

does that matter?

if HMB is needed

nobody cares who joins

as long as its an HMB class

[wind merlin]

and has the gear and dps requirments for it

[odd dagger]

if you are 28k, u will do enough as long you have the braincell to press ur buttons.

[wind merlin]

and that my friend is pure and simple bollocks

[odd dagger]

what part of it

Baby and Shiroy are the 2 BMs i have seen at wolf

both of them are 28k

both of them do 190-200k at wolf

very well over the bleed dps req without a summoner.

219k is the DPS req without bleed, but that extra DPS has to be carried by the DPS class who are supposed to do dmg.

[wind merlin]

yeah ok

for sure

[odd dagger]

he does

thats just senso

he can carry in wolf not just "do" wolf

I did atleast 5 runs baby few days ago

the dungeon is so easily clearlable with a pure 28.2k pt even if you have 2 BMs if the right pt comp is there.
(DL/KFM/WL) BM/BD SUM Anything.

but preferably Sin as 4th cause they can perma bleed without any books or DD FM.

honestly with the right comp, its even doable at like 26k

Again I just think light BD is unbalanced cause of whoever does the QA doesnt know how to make a proper macro for it or play it properly.

Seen quite a few BDs who doesnt do dmg even in actual server cause they have 1.2-1.5:1 Flash : flickers when it should always be 2:1

[wind merlin]

Don't want to argue. BM is on the bottom full stop. And hmb is simply a QOL not a must. You can do any content without hmb just fine. It just makes it slightly more annoying not to have. That's about it. Live was way more balanced back in the day. BM is supposed to be a tank but ATM is just hmb and cc bot anyone can live without.

In live hmb resists 5 hits and yet no one could give a d about BM , and it's been the case for many years. What BM can do, others do better.

[odd dagger]

sure, whatever floats your bubble.
But current state of BnS is the most balanced it has ever been aside from Light BD and Fire KFM.

[wind merlin]

You're truly unbelievable. Balanced he say, haha

[silver moth]

What about kfm fire, It's been a long time since I've seen kfm fire on my sv

[odd dagger]

They are garbage. When they should be atleast close to wind kfm.

[silver moth]

I guess stack effect not good enough

[odd dagger]

Nc has something against fire specs

Took them a whole year to fix DT.

[silver moth]

Sometime NC give us few patch buff class and then... They disapear

Punc and light got new leg book and effect for tab, they forget about fire spec

And HS, but i think flock seem fit more for HS

[wind merlin]

puncture needs 2x its current ap mod to be a good spec as it's super slow

you can get like 2 punctures a second

not good enough

for a skill with 6.5ap mod

now if its 13....

[silver moth]

It won't

[odd dagger]

with leggy tab 48, puncture is kinda close? maybe it could be equal to HS if you have the right card combo setup.
but with same maxed cards.
HS is 210k DPS , puncture next patch will be 202k DPS.

but puncture with 3 celestials is 264k DPS vs Slasher 262k DPs.
The more celestials you put, the more puncture pulls ahead.

[wind merlin]

Anything else that requires thousands of pounds to do a bit more than summoner ?

[silver moth]

Or a kfm with just one 🦵

Wait, i think need 2

[odd dagger]

bit more than summoner is some huge cope

BMs are like 30% stronger than summoners.

but again no point comparing out of your class

but Puncture wont get buffed, its the true whale build.

[silver moth]

I thought punc is cheap build

[odd dagger]

not cheap cause puncture is support skill for celesital

[silver moth]

I mean effective

[odd dagger]

playing puncture build is like playing tab stacking in moon water

u are playing the half build

[wind merlin]

There is like 1 puncture BM left

And one that quit a while ago

[odd dagger]

The current puncture is meant to synergize with celestial.

not to be played on its own.

Celestial also fixes the MSP problem

cause its a 16m aoe.

[wind merlin]

Next class change I think chifusas will go back to puncture. Some people like it rough

[odd dagger]

3 celestial puncture is already the strongest BM build out there rn.

[wind merlin]

Celestial... Anything else to spend few mortgage payments on ?

Clearly the Gamba works just fine

[silver moth]

I thought celestial have cd 10s

[wind merlin]

Look at the server and billions of celestial books on the market

[odd dagger]

its price is irrelevent to the strength of the build.

when celestial becomes affordable

puncture will become the best build.

[wind merlin]

Means never

Ask Nanaya how good the 5% Gamba works

[odd dagger]

seems like people forget that leggy skills were 150-200k few months back

everything becomes mainstream as game progresses

thats just how it goes.

[wind merlin]

Leggy books were 100k just in moonwater

[odd dagger]

yes moonwater is less than an year ago

i know, crazy

[silver moth]

The problem is i think when celestial become ez to get

NC will release new book/dun

With tons of HP

[wind merlin]

Unless we get events for celestial books price will never drop

[odd dagger]

yea

but during that period

puncture will be the best

[silver moth]

So basically, everything atm still same right now

[odd dagger]

and rn puncture is purely for leviathans

[wind merlin]

Theorists wannabes like you are just meh to read. If my nan had a Willie ...

[odd dagger]

games are balanced for more than just you

its balanced around bunch of things

[wind merlin]

That's why you went to dl I guess

[odd dagger]

I love , how you keep ignoring my reason for going DL

[wind merlin]

It's be all and all

Yeah but of course lives in the BM sub forum

Went dl

Heh

[odd dagger]

Give me visa to EU

and i will go back to BM

[wind merlin]

Get to France and hop on a dinghy across the channel

Ping won't be bad

[odd dagger]

how do i get to france.

without visa

Like i woulda never switched of HS if sunstroke didnt become a thing.

holding HS infinitely was the one thing that made it great for high ping.

[wind merlin]

Apply for tourist visa, rip your passport on the plane, claim asylum in the airport. Job done

[silver moth]

I love hold DT infinite too

[wind merlin]

@odd dagger get yourself shadow pc . Macro pre sends the input. You'll be playing like you're in Frankfurt

[odd dagger]

too bad DT has no auto bias

[silver moth]

Or press Flash Step

I got 40ms ingame soo

It fine

[wind merlin]

I know people from the middle east playing with better input than people in Europe

So

Even for me with a typical ping of 30ish, shadow bumped my DPS a tad . Just wish they had better specs

[odd dagger]

i mean, i dont wanna spend 50$ a month jst to get good ping.

thats for the whales

ill jst stick to the ping friendly class that can hit 100% of the dmg output of 0 ms player

[wind merlin]

For me it works like £30 a month I think

[odd dagger]

maybe if i eventually transfer to taiwan, i would consider it cause 200 ms wouldnt be bereable.

[wind merlin]

I know few people using it who typically have 120-150 from ME

Like Dubai and Saudi

@odd dagger I played Taiwan bns in 2014/2015

With 200 ms

[silver moth]

I must use vpn too

But it cheap

[wind merlin]

Actually 215 with wtfast I think

[silver moth]

[wind merlin]

Korea with 300+ trying to do grandpa was too much fun...

Or N lab 4 man

We wiped for like 6h straight, haha

[odd dagger]

200 ms back then is like 100 or sth no? cause old client had like double latency.

[wind merlin]

The only classes playable back then with such ms were FM and cats. Since I hate rats I made a FM , which was my main even when they released the game here

I was very offended when they renamed the race from kun to Yun

[serene crypt]

• ss have 50% cr dmg , give near 8% cr dmg for 36sec, and it is near 1-2% of damage in high instans, and 2-4% dmg in low lvl instans. So having 1 more hs until 160gm is better then have 48 ss. It is you think about what better have 1 more hs or ss)

[scenic badge]

WTS - NA - PMO

[odd dagger]

a

With sum 211k+ , it would be even higher if he didnt have me tanking it like a donkey.

[honest haven]

its just that easy sometimes, number 4 this event

still under 80 boxes bought

[somber kiln]

This is depressing

[odd mantle]

is the class change that just came out in KR just as expensive as the first one?

225g per leg swap

[somber kiln]

Sorry you had to find out this way

[silver moth]

Change class is the way

Or just stop playing this game

[odd mantle]

what did they delete >.>

[dapper hedge]

I mean it's forbidden so yeah

[dim summit]

it stack up one by one so in average u only get around 12-15% cd per second for the whole 10 second of stone slash

[covert cedar]

Anyone playing TDS with max Leggies?

I wanna see DPS

[slim mortar]

@silk beacon

[silk beacon]

TDS no dps only suffering

[silver moth]

But seriously, lightning is fine?

[silk beacon]

i would say HS is better

Not by far but its better, also easier to dps with it

[unique valley]

HS is what Sunder BD is supposed to be

🥲

[silk beacon]

Foshi stop being delulu

😠

[unique valley]

but no we gotta push a million buttons just to play aoe wind

and still deal less dmg than hs bm

[silver moth]

I just wanna know lightning compare with DT

[silk beacon]

play whatever u enjoy playing

not like its gonna make big diff

bm its not a dps class like DL or WL

[silver moth]

As long as it not too bad, then it fine to me

[covert cedar]

is it relative to HS,DT around 5-10% dps difference?

[odd dagger]

I wont lie, everytime i had DT BMs in pt, they are always doing more than the HS players

[slim mortar]

I would say that depends on lvl and gear, stats and such

[odd dagger]

WB rankings might be a bit more skewed as HS enjoys higher crit rate to never having to use flocks.

[silver moth]

DT don't have any problem other than not is aoe skill

[odd dagger]

honestly with searing slash badge dmg, its not that terrible in msp either.

[silver moth]

Scale/sec is fine, not having focus issues

I know, but mobs in dungeon is nightmare

Maybe i will back to DT when it have aoe

[odd dagger]

just leave that to the DLs and Wls

[silver moth]

I feel so weird when DT is target skill, of course it need target to cast

But cyclone is not

[slim mortar]

Farming in lunar with dt is definetly a nightmare

[silver moth]

Pure nightmare

I have a headache with that

[astral tendon]

HS need % crit card to work, assuming all maxed out both lightning and hs will do a little more than dt

But if not with max card dt will be a bit better with lower crit assuming you are not tanking

[unique valley]

Buff Sunder BD

[obsidian steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/icons/528375507398688793/a_85ef1489c06b96e4a9ee9b87e5feb12d.webp?size=100&quality=lossless&animated=true

[wind merlin]

When you see warlocks with 2k ap and not much gear doing 200+ on Wolfy, you know the game Devs fcked up

[somber kiln]

I mean

Thats just most games nowadays

They always have a seasonal class that does the most

And seems broken

Was only a given since wl and lancer are rhe most recent

I do see the Lancer bias tho.... They might be there to stay at the top

[analog yarrow]

No doubt that new classes are stronger than the old, thats how they keep players to play on new classes. And i dont see the point that you always complain about bm dps, yes its not the best, but as long as the content is clearable, why bother? I dont see kr dev gonna buff bm in the short time, if dps is what you are chasing, then in the next class change, you should switch to a high dps class.

[odd dagger]

wl spend almost 5-6 months after release being dog s hit class

having one in pt was worse than having a summoner with no hammer

[golden sedge]

Teff is the guy that has sign debate me on anything f

[astral tendon]

the chat is dead without me complaining daily

[golden sedge]

Can’t be worse than sin chat

[odd dagger]

glory days died when HS became main spec

[astral tendon]

The thing is unless you are a sum, dps is the only meaningful measuring factor of a class and different class requires vastly different level of investment to make content clearable

3-400 ap is not that easy to get

[odd dagger]

considering its not really worth to run a dungeon without challenge boxes

u do hit the req dps for both of new dungeons at the given sf

[astral tendon]

The us whale bt boss 4 team have 1 bm 2 sum rest are pretty much all wl dl or kfm

And bd

Class bias is always there, weaker class will always complain just like every single MMO out there

Ppl will prioritise higher dps classes

Tho it might not be an issue for Neo cos player base is not high

[astral tendon]

Bm becomes crap from silverforst day 1 before everyone hop to hs

[odd dagger]

everything tats not destro fm was crap there

atleast u still had hmb privileage compared to other classes

veil privileage in asura, block privileage in nexus , aoe privileage in twins

[astral tendon]

You only have block with puncture

Silverforst day 1 hs was not buffed yet

[odd dagger]

veil still existed

[astral tendon]

And many class have block

[odd dagger]

cause asura mech was every 60 sec

the only other class with reliable block is warlock who were poop tier

counters werent viable to block consistently

[astral tendon]

Depends asura mech is hp based

Is pretty usual for 60 seconds cd not be enough that’s why everyone asked for fm for veil in chat back in the day

[odd dagger]

i mean, most people didnt even know anything other than FM had a veil

i had to tell a lot of BMs that they can veil with X

or sins with smoke bomb

or petal storm

[astral tendon]

I mean then is it really a privilege when nobody knows about it and it’s not considered when apply for team

[odd dagger]

can just tell them urself

cause its obv when someone was rec FM, its for veil

when alex didnt know bm could veil

[astral tendon]

Hmb privilege is always there I guess

[odd dagger]

as someoen who was super undergeared during sf days, hmb privileage got me a lot of daily clears for yeti and nexus

[astral tendon]

Bm was also relatively ok when most ppl are on purple book

Des was the only one who can outperform purple puncture

Now everyone has leg books stacked

Then I guess is not accurate to say bm becomes crap from sf day 1 is only for me it becomes crap from day 1

Since there are no meaningful increase from purple puncture to leg puncture damage wise

[wind merlin]

And I have a bridge for sale

[hearty ether]

what would they even buff for BMs if they ever wanted to buff it to come close to kfm/bd etc

[wind merlin]

Give BM 90% crit rate , problem solved

[hearty ether]

crit rate boost on our 4 at least

[astral tendon]

Perma 4

[wind merlin]

Or perma 4 yeah. That would be decent

[hearty ether]

or some type of cd reduction badge effect for 4

[astral tendon]

Leg lighting tab will have it with gm effect but it’s useless

[winged reef]

If you pick Live instead of Neo on the launcher BM is buffed

[wind merlin]

I'm like 200sf under SF required for Wolfy( because I CBA fixing my mantras) and I even got 6% flat crit from cards, and yet I'm constantly gasping for focus on wolf.

[wind merlin]

Lol BM is shaite and dead class in live wdym ?

[astral tendon]

I launch from steam, is not even an option

[odd dagger]

manage focus better

[astral tendon]

Just crit

[hearty ether]

the new BM leggies r useless for HS right

[wind merlin]

My static had to do their rankings with someone else and then do it with me because they couldn't get nice score with shaite bm

[odd dagger]

Not having focus after sf badge and sunstroke is jst skill issue.

[astral tendon]

They are useless for hs

[hearty ether]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-stupid-3

[winged reef]

Still more playable than Neo

[wind merlin]

Ex BMS without a clue or likely a theory heroes should stick to dl sub forum

[odd dagger]

Nothing really changed

[wind merlin]

Have you done wolf on hs with 38% crit rate ?

[odd dagger]

I have done bibong with 38

So yes

[hearty ether]

so basically next patch with the new leggy tab, lightning will get a wild dps boost?

[odd dagger]

Wolf is waay easier

U can dps wolf without a care in the world of positioning.

[wind merlin]

Bibong is harder than wolf, ok

[hearty ether]

bibong more annoying for sure

[odd dagger]

Bibong u end in wrong side. U are eating reds

[wind merlin]

Fister is more annoying than wolf for sure but bibo?

Uh yeah

[odd dagger]

Wolf q/e whenever doesnt matter

Fist isnt comparable

Wolf and bibong are dmg dummies.

[hearty ether]

wolf is a fun dungeon, bibong & fist r annoying now 😭

[wind merlin]

I have 200 something in bibo, can't pass the 150k on wolf . Have to be carried by warlocks and dls

Oh well

[odd dagger]

Pretty sure hime did 170k 1st time she did wolf

When she was 27k sth

[wind merlin]

There is the rng part there

Sometimes you have nice rng with the crits

Sometimes you don't

The end

[hearty ether]

full def down summoner i came close to ending the dungeon w ~190k??

[wind merlin]

Er I haven't run with summoners yet

Not a clue

[odd dagger]

And last time i did with babyy , he was doing 230k even

[wind merlin]

And a 5 book 1950ap warlocks comes and do more than him. The end xD

[odd dagger]

never seen a legit wl with that ap do that much

u must be playing with magical number users

[wind merlin]

Or maybe they know how to play it ? Not a warlock myself , can't say for sure what they do or shouldn't do

[odd dagger]

there is nothing to know

[hearty ether]

can warlocks hit wolf while hes jumping around?

[odd dagger]

u spam macro 4 T V

yes

as long as u position properly

[hearty ether]

same with dark lancer?

[odd dagger]

yea

[wind merlin]

They also get 10% crit and 36 crit DMG for free outside of tab buff

[hearty ether]

so strongg

[wind merlin]

Which is another 20% on both

[hearty ether]

just give BM a crit rate boost or smth pls 😭

[wind merlin]

Ha rely too much on op p2w card sets , that's the trouble or at least what I have noticed

Hs*

[odd dagger]

thats like

every class

DLs and destros are waay more crit reliant than HS

KFM/Light BDs scale insanely with crit dmg cards, so they need that for insane dmg

[wind merlin]

Is that the reason there is like 5 destros in the game ?

Give hs 13 ap mod and 10 crit on 48 GM stacks. Problem solved. Or as Nanaya said, give stone slash 10 sec cd xD

Ok 13 too much, how about 10? XD

And make hs leggy max boost at all times

Flippin E put me in all sorts of troubles more times than I can remember

[analog yarrow]

TBH, endgame HS bm and CK kfm dps gap is not that huge. Thats a comparison with my BM and my static teammate Wind KFM for FAM(Mine). He's currently with his exp badge on, with pve badge, his attack is around 3250 ish. With celestial thunder, I was able to out-dps him a little; without it, our dps is quite close. Cant have dps comparison as we didn't run it today, I just pulled from history for the past run.

[hearty ether]

the difference is crazy though lol, look at how much you have to have as BM to come close to KFM

[obsidian steeple]

bm weak

[golden sedge]

Kfm has crit stacking and will always out dps same gear same level. Just their kit is different

[wind merlin]

you have celestial, which is like saying there is not much difference between Poh weapon and Transcendent World Boss weapon

you have 400 more ap or thereabout

and you say not much difference

....

[analog yarrow]

Pls, read the whole thing... I said he currently with his exp badge on, with pve badge he's ap is around the same - 3250ish; with celestial thunder i was able to out dps him a little, without is quite close.

card set are similar too, i have extra 2% crit and crit dmg thats it.

[unique valley]

Buff BD again

[wind merlin]

Stop being a clown foshi

[analog yarrow]

Foshi need to speak here https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1357802770329243799

[unique valley]

I’m a true master of the Blade just like you guys

[gilded thistle]

bm supremacy

[wind merlin]

@unique valleytemu version of a blade master

cheap stuff

china tat

we were first, then rats decided to copy us because we were cool, so BD was rolled in.

and Korea love rats

don't know with what tho, rice perhaps ?

[wind merlin]

can we have light bm with 10c and flash steps, with bonus flash steps per E/Q/SS resist and if you resist with E/Q to reset CD ?

live light BM was so fun

[silver moth]

Agree

Still can't believe they don't bring it back to neo

I have some interesting with lightning bm and wolf kfm on live

There specs like have kind of minigame on your dps rotation

[somber kiln]

Yeah i think stable focus alone would help HS a lot
And more 4 uptime

No big elaborate thing they gotta do tbh

And not like focus issues is exclusive to hs

Nor idk if they'll wanna give a specific class any more cr buffs since they'd prefer if we whale on cards

And live had weapon resets

Wonder if we'll ever get that back

[silver moth]

i doubt about that

focus recovery from weapon already a change, honestly i think weapon reset is broken

so i dont think they bring it back to neo

[somber kiln]

Yeah lifesteal was also broken in Live

On skill got your health back up right away

Pots were kinda useless

[silver moth]

one galeforce and des back to full hp

[wind merlin]

life drain per se isn't an issue, 3-4 hits a second with 40% crit defo is tho

[silver moth]

i think kev mean is lifesteal from skill

not gem

yep

[wind merlin]

10c was huge for light bm

i mean huge life drain

[astral tendon]

Just get true or transcendent timestream

[silver moth]

[astral tendon]

[silver moth]

true

[astral tendon]

Flock is rarely needed with fixed chance focus recovery line

[silver moth]

why this skill in keyslot 3

our class got racist

[teal surge]

Sup guys how is the game now? How active is it?

[odd mantle]

[astral tendon]

Game is thriving, a lot of raid team, even one cleared bt boss 4

[somber kiln]

It seems better than it was before

I think Moonwater was peak but there is still a lot of players on

Will have active parties to clear the content you want

[odd mantle]

1 Stone slash or 3 for puncture after new tab? only ref i have is a KR bm who does 1, they have 3 secret skills tho

[odd dagger]

psure 3 is literally built for puncutres whirling surge burst

[odd mantle]

hmm its only going to line up on pull though

then you are sitting on stone slash for 24 seconds

every other stone slash i guess

[astral tendon]

Depends on how many secret skill you have

If you can do 48 tab 48 puncture rest secret then 1

If not go with 3 I guess

[odd mantle]

yea it'll be cheaper not to swap them to puncture anyway

[astral tendon]

Having 2 punctures instead of 2 stones only make sense if your secret skill stack is high and puncture stack is low

[odd mantle]

[unique valley]

Keep buffing BD until I can 1shot a BM in PvP

[astral tendon]

Imagine can’t one shot with fatal blade

Must be skill issue

z to v should 1 shot anyone if landed

Even tho it is fairly easy to react if you just throw it out

[unique valley]

😭

[hidden pawn]

Whats dps tier list atm?

@astral tendon u prob know haha

[analog yarrow]

https://discord.com/channels/1164688788086345830/1482868307727093810

[astral tendon]

Dl, dark wl, wind kfm, lightning bd are miles ahead of everything else, wind kfm would be the best if the boss is mostly stationary, the player maintain searing palm optimally and is using one of those high tech macro for perfect animation cancel, if not then wl and dl will have easier time for dps while not tanking and lightning bd will have easier time compare to other while tanking

But those 4 are one tier non the less

After that des would be slightly better on higher level content due to access to rage, then all 3 variance of wtd fm build+all bm build are kind of after that rated similarly

Then fire kfm and hs sin, then ep sin and wind bd then sum

[astral tendon]

That list have some questionable aspects but I see they are mostly talked about and addressed in the following discussion

So I guess you can take that assuming you read everything afterwards

[wind merlin]

im very sceptical about this list

[azure moth]

What is the best way to get leggy books atm ?

[wind merlin]

bm with 48+ gm stacks on sacred against people with 0

very balanced

gamba if you have few k gold, otherwise wait

[azure moth]

I got honed slash from the code 🫡🫡

[wind merlin]

honed slash isnt bad ... if you already have 6+ leggy and you play HS

[odd dagger]

any BM who has ever played this game in this patch will instantly dismiss the list

[wind merlin]

Yeah, imagine putting an extinct skill build against wind kfm and light bd... Sure ...

It's an extinct spec for a reason...

Like for like, I do 220-30kbon bibo, same gear kfm is on like 350... Surely is balanced as f

[silver moth]

Still better than wind BD

[unique valley]

Buff Wind BD

[astral tendon]

At least wind bd has magics which makes them out perform sins

But that’s about it

Another build magic won’t even help, unlike bm that it doesn’t work, the build is too sh1t to begin with

Guess they are still paying back for the mw glory days just like puncture

Mw glory days leg wind bd was probably at the top with stacked leg books, and puncture was the best purple build out performing 2-3 leg books stacked

[wind merlin]

Make hs max boost at all times and swap v cd reduce per HS to stone slash. Problem solved . Or at least partially

[astral tendon]

it doesn’t solve the issue for the other 3 builds, puncture might be playable for mega whale next patch assuming 48 tab and at least 48 secret skill

[silver moth]

Give everyone crit buff is the bezt way

If every specs is broken, then every specs is balance

[wind merlin]

@astral tendon I don't care about the other 3 specs xD they can do the same for them. Eg DT reduces the cd for searing slash and TDs/puncture/HS to remove cd for stone slash

[silver moth]

"TDStroke reduce cd stone slash 1s on hit"

But 30gms is good, i think about DT use TDStroke

[hidden pawn]

Why everyone in DL chat asking to buff dl thought it was the strongest

[odd dagger]

who lied to u

[hidden pawn]

Which part

[odd dagger]

DL weakest class

DL = summoner without cat

[hidden pawn]

So it is weakest?

@astral tendon is he trolling me?

[torn grotto]

Skyrus is

most broken class with minimal skills

[odd dagger]

true , nerf lmb build , problem fixed

[valid cradle]

Giving up half of your damage to have a cat sounds like a good deal

[wind merlin]

give DL a tiger and lower their LMB to 5ap mod, problem solved

[silver moth]

Give them more gcd on Lmb

[dawn wedge]

If there is any raidless BMs looming for a raid party feel free to message me 😄

[astral tendon]

For what, daze slave

Bms need to say no

About that

[ember cave]

SOLD

[wind merlin]

How much is this rubbish book nowadays, 6k?

[ember cave]

no

[odd mantle]

think one sold for 8 on NA yesterday

[astral tendon]

Then it would cost less than 6 in eu

[azure moth]

how much leggy hevenly slasher worth now ?

[dawn wedge]

Not at all we are just looking for members and currently have only 1 bm ^.^

[honest haven]

last one I saw sold for 13k (eu)

[wind merlin]

@honest havenand guy tried to sell for a week or so. Started 30k, 25,20, 15 for few days, then finally 13

[azure moth]

thanks

what is worth to buy for gains in game right now ?

gold ?

[analog yarrow]

Depends on whats your gear and whats your budget

[tacit star]

Whoever selling leg Lunar slash on F5 , msg me once u come to senses with price ...

[coarse belfry]

Hi, I just came back to the game and saw that HS build is the current meta. Is the guide in the pinned message still up to date? And if so, which badges should I be going for?

[odd dagger]

imagine selling it so high when there is like 2 players for the build

[silver moth]

Same with 🦵 TDStroke?

[somber kiln]

what the price for HS these days

leg

[wind merlin]

well someone was trying to sell for days on 15k, in the end he sold it for 13.

[somber kiln]

got this

completely useless?

on hs

[odd dagger]

completely

[astral tendon]

back in mw day when puncture was at 20+k you can play lmb tab rmb with hs

maybe is time to go back to that

[wind merlin]

I went for puncture cuz Dt was 60k, tav was 20+ and badge was like 10k. And I was too poor to afford that

[azure moth]

i cant upgrade winter bane weap and acc with the same type except the enhancement stone. did i miss something ?

[valid cradle]

You have to select the weapon/accessory youll use as upgrade material to upgrade your item

[honest haven]

so for the next soul shield stage (pink ones), how much does piercing increase dmg really compared to block

or like what should I aim for

it seems block increases my damage almost 1:1 on crits, so 100 block = 100 dmg when I crit

[astral tendon]

Draw stance go for block, basic stance go for whatever you roll

Block damage is only amplified by crit damage

So with the multipler of basic stance build think it is like 45% , you gonna get around 100 when crit

Math checked out at least

[honest haven]

like say I get 500 block on each, thats 4k dmg per crit increase, should be a nice 10k dps more or less doing napkin math. is there a similar way to calc piercing dmg? cuz I hear its what most ppl want to roll

[honest haven]

ye tho even for draw stance, when I played dt I noticed I lost all my equipped block stats on draw stance, is it still good?

[astral tendon]

Gear block stays

Only base stats are lost

[honest haven]

I just tested it said 0 block when I pressed 4

lul

[astral tendon]

Hence why draw stance need blocks on soul shield

[honest haven]

oh maybe I have no block then

yea its all base for me

[astral tendon]

Or accessory

[silver moth]

Wait, really i thought it add on every hit

[astral tendon]

Is on every hit

Is just sh1t like gm stack won’t effect that part of the damage

[silver moth]

Oh

[odd dagger]

its also a static value with 0 variance

[silver moth]

Weird

[tacit star]

that leg Lunar slash still arround ? WTB...

[wind merlin]

BM chat going the way of the dodo

[serene crypt]

nothing chage... so why write?

[gilded thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-anime-cigarette-gif-21078451

[unique valley]

Buff BD

[astral tendon]

Probably thinking about the glory days

When this chat was basically Neo chat with less mods attention

[gilded thistle]

It was peak

[astral tendon]

The chat still has 3x the message compare to the 2nd

[wooden rain]

Peak of your local neighborhood hill perhaps

[obsidian steeple]

bms big yappers

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitty-side-eye-side-eyes-kitty-side-eye-cat-side-eye-cute-side-eye-gif-5495120630602386958

[wind merlin]

I heard fire BM getting buff?

[hidden pawn]

@astral tendon u still play?

[astral tendon]

once a week

will uninstall once i eventually get replaced from the raid due to deal 0 damage

[somber kiln]

Watchu playing now

[astral tendon]

bdo afk while playing single player games.

[hidden pawn]

U still bm?

[astral tendon]

i mean yeah my char is still bm

[hidden pawn]

Wats ur sf

[astral tendon]

32k800 or something

[hidden pawn]

Ah u still a big boi

[astral tendon]

i mean i was 32k 5 month ago

[hidden pawn]

But nanaya finally quitting never thought i would see the day

What made u want to quit finally?

[astral tendon]

bm is not at a good state to whale on and i hate msp grinding.

also the game just become bored.

but tbh

[hidden pawn]

I mean u can always reroll class

[astral tendon]

probably mainly msp

[hidden pawn]

Ye msp annoying but heard tower replaces msp

For xp

[astral tendon]

if it is like free lv78 without 3-4 hours a day in msp and good raid comes out maybe.

is ez to catch up gear anyway.

if you whale ofc.

[hidden pawn]

Everything ez if u whale haha

[astral tendon]

level not really unless you hire somebody, and 5% secret book can be a hit or miss

also part of the reason i quit, given my track record on 5% stuff in this game

few guys took 40-50 tries to get one

i got 1 leg chest from over 100 tries back in the day.

imagine that with secret book

same chance.

[hearty ether]

still uses blessing so maybe not 100% replace

also KR had an exp event where they had 200%+ exp bonus on top of the exp bonuses u already have so

[hidden pawn]

I remember this haha

[honest haven]

Then again leggy books have fallen off a cliff in prices

[harsh belfry]

depending on how gearead and fast you are it should be like 600k exp per 15 blessing

and like 20 mins or so

[honest haven]

apparently honed slash is up in stonks now

sold one for same price as dt

[somber kiln]

Ngl

Honed slash helping my smooth brain

And with high ping you miss your inputs on E, it kinda makes up for it

Also opens up ss and q resist for black dragon

[honest haven]

for me it keeps me almost 100% in bd buff

not sure if I lose dmg with it over a purple, but yea as a backup it also helps

[odd dagger]

puncture in top 10?

[covert cedar]

Nerf

Too strong

[astral tendon]

Where are bm whales

[odd dagger]

i think i could actually be top 10 there now if i swapped back

[astral tendon]

I’d probably still be no3

F2P class

[hearty ether]

trash class

[gilded thistle]

Its a beautiful class but left in the dirt

[astral tendon]

said by a traitor

[gilded thistle]

I like being clean

[honest haven]

at least we're not assassins

https://tenor.com/view/giggle-chuckle-hahaha-holding-laughter-gif-15462551

that class chat is depressing af

I tried finding a wb pic but figures theres not a single one

pretty strange they get no love like sum and fm in kr patch

[valid cradle]

Idk if I would call that patch "love"

[hearty ether]

they got plenty of love with the new leggy books

[uneven kernel]

Draw stance adds 5% cr and 20% cd, but remove basic block stat, or it changes anything else also?

[odd dagger]

movement speed to

[obsidian steeple]

Sin got so much love with new leggy books that the sin that has the new leggy books + celestial (that has more gear than top bms on wb) still doesn't come close to their wb damage at least I don't remember seeing him even close to 1% dmg done yet.

Now put those 10k$ books on those bms too and gap will go further

[uneven kernel]

but stat wise

[unique valley]

time to reroll sin?

[astral tendon]

Sins are just trash, you put that 10k in bm, bm is still miles behind wl dl bd kfm

[uneven kernel]

probably every trash class/build will be good after some patch, so "just play what you like"

[valid cradle]

The recent balance patch suggests that some patch will not be anytime soon

[astral tendon]

Sins and sums were never at the top sadly

Sum will stay down there due to hammer I guess

Maybe 1 day for sins, who knows

[valid cradle]

Maybe they forgot sin doesnt have blue buff

[astral tendon]

Technically bms were also never at the top, since when puncture was broken, wind bd with leg book is the most broken build

the only build who can out perform purple puncture with 1 leg book

All other builds need like at least 2

[fickle vortex]

WTS NA Leg lunnar slash (10k)

[hearty ether]

sin bm both bottom of the barrel

[torn grotto]

^

[astral tendon]

Bms have more options if you whale hard, puncture with celestial perform ok ish

Would clear fm and des

Without they are sort of the same with des slightly ahead

Ofc require at least 3 celestial

3 celestial puncture is probably the best option behind the 4 broken build

Ofc you also need to stay online

[valid cradle]

I was gonna ask if the disconnects are still as frequent

[astral tendon]

The only reason you are not seeing any bm on wl dl level

With how popular technology is, no dc puncture would have flat +50% dps

that’s more than dl wl

[elfin fossil]

not really, just gotta be sure to stay in place

30gm tab so good I could say hello back to my kd

[odd dagger]

@rapid jolt btw do you mind sharing ur pc specs .
that RK video was smooth like butter.

[winged reef]

Casual specs needed to play BnS

[astral tendon]

idk

i have frame drop with better spec back in the day

i dont beleve anything can play bns smoothly on all 5 settings

[odd dagger]

yea idk what magic he has

if you watched his BT vid, it feels like absolutely 0 frame drop.

[wooden rain]

recordings can sometimes smooth things out

[honest haven]

https://i.imgur.com/8vGSUGm.png

[astral tendon]

broken insignia

lucky guy

[honest haven]

If only it was red 🥲

[odd dagger]

no, yellow is straight up the best one

every other awaken goes up by 4 ap, yellow goes up by 5 ap

[honest haven]

Oh I didn’t even think about that, I’m still at purple reds

Nice then!

Funnily enough both me and a clannie got the yellow one yday lul

[honest haven]

game is pretty ez ngl

I just buy these boxes

and get things

[odd dagger]

very easy , i buy those box and end up with 30 heroic crystals

[gilded thistle]

Holy

Thats jackpot

pog

[honest haven]

just to be clear I had 3 tickets laying around, got the 2 leggies, fused a hong, then rolled 3 times

[honest haven]

I've had my fair share, but you know what they say

https://tenor.com/view/digging-for-diamonds-never-give-up-gamble-keep-gambling-trash-gif-4704373444474043443

[gilded thistle]

I only bought two of those to try and get the jinso outfit

[honest haven]

its a cool outfit but it doesnt fit my character

else I probably would

[odd dagger]

its a bit too low texture

[honest haven]

I wonder

do I put the zulia in champions of darkness for the 3%, or do I hold for the kr bond

I'd have to sac talus army or righteous blade~

[odd dagger]

champion

new bond is only good for bd/kfm

actually

do mystery

[honest haven]

I wanted a rahu for mystery

at least thats what I rolled for

[odd dagger]

is mystery

crit dmg

or

[honest haven]

ye

[odd dagger]

secrets i meant

zulia+rahu

[honest haven]

oh

hm

you reckon its better than the new set for me?

[odd dagger]

yes

new set scales worse

[honest haven]

I mean I would replace my rk set for the new, its essentially another 15% "free" in terms of slots

but idk

[odd dagger]

secrets

uses the same cards

and is straight up higher numbers

3% cr is better than 88 ap + 3% CD

[honest haven]

no ap tho :<

yeah I really dont know how much cr I need

if I wanna maximize for cr I would have to drop ap

I felt like the 4 2 2 3 3 3 3 setup would be better for me even if a drop a little cr

if I go with that do I need to remove unwavering conviction?

like this

[odd dagger]

yes only mortal enemies is part of big combo set

but u can kinda use unwavering + upgraded 2 slot WB set

instead of 1 jinsoyun set

[honest haven]

whats the 2 slot wb set?

[odd dagger]

the current 3 slot one

becomes 2 slot and gains 3% cr

[honest haven]

oh neat

[odd dagger]

it might actually be higher dps to go for the wb combo

133 DPS vs 132 DPS with jinso sets

u would hit 65% CR~

hong sets were not viable before as we didnt have a 3rd 2 slot set

but with that new wb set , it kinda gucci

[honest haven]

so my plan is:
(2) Mortal enemies
(2) Hidden appearances
(4) Unwavering conviction
(4) Secrets of dawncrest
(3) Champions of dawncrest
(3) Vessel of the dark lord
(2) 2 set WB card
?

[odd dagger]

yesh

[honest haven]

3% 5% 5% 3% 3% 3% => 22% cr
8% 12% 8% 15% => 43% cd

juicy

thats almost 10% more cr than my plan

drops about 30% cd tho

but probably worth

[odd dagger]

cr is superior for most of the part

[honest haven]

I just remember u told me I needed 3 rahu before cuz I only need 50% cr

idk whats true atp

but maybe this set changes things

[odd dagger]

thats based on this

before world boss change

this was the only possible combo with 20 bubble

[honest haven]

I see

but for now, should I build champions since I can use it now with 1 card? if I swap out talus I get 2 extra slots rn, or I can just replace with the righteous set

I still need rahu and 2 purples for the secret set

[odd dagger]

its all upto

do u want to get instant progress or long term prog

[honest haven]

well I need both

xD

[odd dagger]

because mystery becomes a complete set with 1 rahu

[honest haven]

like both sets

[odd dagger]

champion completes with raven+ rahu

[honest haven]

valid

I guess we keep buying boxes

[odd dagger]

but champion right now gets u a dps boost but mystery doesnt

i also had to make that choice b/w unwavering vs mortal enemies

[honest haven]

yea the 3% rn would probably get me close to top 10 wb

which would mean the WB card is easier to get

but idk

tho tbh just doing thunder strikes probably gets me two more before they change the set

I already have meganura

[honest haven]

just get both at once :^)

[odd dagger]

i need 2 meganuras and 1 turtle

got my 3rd thunderstrike

[honest haven]

why 2?

[odd dagger]

1 for guardian of hollow

its like budget secret set

[honest haven]

is it really worth going for it?

[odd dagger]

i need so many more cards so i am not gonna get secret anytime soon

hollow can serve as a temperory 4 slot

3% cr 6% CD

[honest haven]

its 5 slot 😟

[odd dagger]

it becomes 4 slot

[honest haven]

oooh

[odd dagger]

along with the other 2 slot change

[honest haven]

that makes more sense

can I see these somewhere

[odd dagger]

yast has card section

[honest haven]

✅ (4) Unwavering (5% cr)
✅ (2) Hidden appearances (5% cr)
✅ (2) Mortal enemies (3% cr, 8% cd)
☑️ (4) Secret of dawncrest (3% cr, 12% cd)
☑️ (3) Mystery of dawncrest (15% cd) (14 drain, 8 detect)
☑️ (3) Champions of darkness (3% cr, 8% cd) (onrush 16)
☑️ (2) Divine beast's form (3% cr)

actually instead of jinso set, mystery of dawncrest is better for the drain right

[odd dagger]

yea

[odd mantle]

do the 5 slot wb sets go down to 4? or stay at 5?

oh you literally just said that nvm

[glass sleet]

as a new player should i go for a basic stance pierce build or draw stance dragontongue build?
i only have green books rn

[analog yarrow]

All builds require purple core skills to rotate smoothly

U can try different builds with green books and see how u like it

There are 4 different builds with BM rn. Puncture, Heavenly Slasher, dragontongue and thunder drake slash

Except for DT, other three are more crit rate reliant.

[odd dagger]

and slasher and TDS are full AOE builds, if u wanna farm msp efficiently. TDS needs big brain , Slasher can be played with smol brain.

[serene sparrow]

WTS Dt Leg EU

[wind merlin]

@odd dagger in the end of the day, hs and tds are equally brainless specs with big gear. There is no difference. Only on low gear a smarter rotation would be a thing.

Only difference would be I guess flock of blades but the skill is unusable in msp after 30 min so there is that. They never fixed it and I doubt they ever will

[silk beacon]

?

Hs is way more confortable to play

More range, way easier to dps

Also for msp is vñbetter aswell coz for light u either have the badges or u wont have ur tab fast enought

[wind merlin]

hs is alsos reliant on the bloody soul badge

minimum at sacred lvl

lolkorn is doing the 80 spot just as fast if not faster than me without any issues

and i do the 4 camps on that spot on cd of spawning

@silk beacon

[honest haven]

sometimes lucky

[valid cradle]

Wow

[odd dagger]

What the fu ck

[raven dragon]

wtb whoever this is in na

[odd dagger]

puncture resurgence

[serene crypt]

all 4 spec bm`s are playble) see nothing new)

[astral tendon]

is fine now if you dont dc

and one of the better one if you whale and get celestial

within bm bubble at least

[serene crypt]

oH Gnanaya glad to see you here) Did you still play?

[silk beacon]

he became a slacker

he just raids

sadgy

[serene crypt]

oh sad)

[silk beacon]

i mean game is not rly fun when most profitable content to do is msp

so i totally understand him

[astral tendon]

dungeon is not fun to grind

Msp is crap

I don’t have senso’s will

So I just leech raid

Maybe if vt release ill boost my gear for a bit

[wooden rain]

you should go aion 2

[raven dragon]

WTB NA

stop posting it and lets make a deal

[wind merlin]

And WB is useless unless pig( and I missed of course the last two) at least for me

Looking at the rankings, seems like I'm not the only one

[twin wren]

Looking for a raid static member BM 25K SF Heaven's Reach

[rocky bolt]

Alright boys

I'm switching to BM

And I want the most brain-dead build possible

Looking at hs

What are the GM stacks for it

Aka should I keep stone slash at 18, or go for 48

And additionally except for stacking hs

What else is a good leggy

If any

[odd dagger]

its just stone and hs

[rocky bolt]

I saw someone running honed slash at 12 gm

[odd dagger]

102 hs 30 stone > 156 hs 48 stone > honed slash > fill rest of hs.

[astral tendon]

viable if you have 192 stacks

192-210 doesn’t really do much damage wise

[rocky bolt]

So honed is after I am at 156/48

Also i shouldn't be considering it because it's not aoe right

[astral tendon]

Wdym

Hs is aoe

[rocky bolt]

Dt*

[astral tendon]

Single target is fine, msp is trash

If you don’t msp then play what you want

If you msp then first hs second lightning

[odd dagger]

if u dont care too much about msp, DT is honestly nice to have in dungeons whenver there is no sum in pt

[rocky bolt]

Why is that

[odd dagger]

def down

[rocky bolt]

Oh it does def down?

I don't particularly care for msp if I have to be honest

[odd dagger]

only like 35% uptime compared to 100% of summoner

[rocky bolt]

But aoe would be nice to have especially since I'm coming from bd

Where I can attack at 4m

[astral tendon]

Rolling from bd to bm

[rocky bolt]

I'm done anicancelling I wanna sleep while I play

[astral tendon]

Why do you want to play an inferior class

just macro it

[rocky bolt]

Doesn't work that well at high ping

Even if it's a perfect one

[astral tendon]

How high are you talking about

[rocky bolt]

110

Avg

120-145 without exitlag

And I don't wanna do lancer.

And I already have a chud summoner

[gilded thistle]

Slasher should be the go to then

[rocky bolt]

Yeah that's what I was thinking too

Heard it's brain-dead and good for high ping

Besides the block, scaleripper and deep wound are very enticing for raid

On top of having hmb and the mobility of bd

[astral tendon]

mobility wise

[rocky bolt]

And and and I dislike how they've made bd need 3 leggies to stay competitive. Way too many slots going to just gm stacks

[astral tendon]

Is better at some way, worse on other way

[rocky bolt]

I meant BM having q/e/SS and 2(?) gap closers

[astral tendon]

Q e are not separate if you want to attack in between

Unlike bd

[rocky bolt]

Oh they share a cd?

[astral tendon]

You have a free e when you are in draw stance

But other than that qe share cd

[rocky bolt]

Okay I see

[astral tendon]

If you do not attack between qe you can have a lot of iframe

[rocky bolt]

Still pretty similar

[astral tendon]

Bd you can q, back to attack than e

Can’t do that with bm

[rocky bolt]

Yeh but I rarely do that

Because it's either stealthed or hmbed

Also one more q

The block winged protector proc is the hmb right?

[astral tendon]

1f is hmb

[rocky bolt]

But I've seen BMS use another skill

Not the yellow hmb, but the one that looks like BD guardian tempest

I think it's a petal storm/smoke bomb esque thing

[astral tendon]

Range protection is every 18 second on hs, every 60 seconds on other build

[rocky bolt]

Okay that's pog

I like that

[astral tendon]

Covers for like 10 seconds

[rocky bolt]

It's flock right?

[astral tendon]

Flock to x

[rocky bolt]

Okay okay okay

And general rotation would be 4 > exit draw > hold rmb

For the entire fight right?

And how much would it hurt if I got honed early just for qol

[odd dagger]

honed is jst for more dmg

nothign qol about it

[rocky bolt]

For reference I am at 84/72/18 on bd

[odd dagger]

it makes it more annoying if anything

[astral tendon]

Honed has no value for qol

[rocky bolt]

Oh okay

So hs doesn't benefit from black dragon then I assume

Which is for tds

[astral tendon]

You have a free e for max boost every time you are in draw stance, honed is purely for more bd buff uptime

[rocky bolt]

Again I assume

[astral tendon]

Bd is just more damage

It does nothing rotation wise

[rocky bolt]

Oh just free damage

[astral tendon]

Tbh lightning doesn’t really need bd to function properly nowadays if you are geared

Is also just more damage