Blade Master

[astral tendon]

You should only worry about bd buff after 48 slasher

Before that the build does not function

[twin wren]

Is sunstroke or the stance change affected by ping?

Something doesn't feel right

[odd dagger]

hm?

[vivid robin]

so how does the new class compare to bm? idk if i'd switch but it looks cool

also is puncture still relevant cause i'm too broke to switch ;p

[unique valley]

spearmaster also has "puncture" but its bigger, longer, and stronger 😂

[vivid robin]

fml bro

i bet they made it aoe too

[unique valley]

it is aoe

[vivid robin]

@unique valley can purple books be exchanged 1:1 for other books now? i read something somewhere

[unique valley]

yes

[twin wren]

[unique valley]

now BMs will learn how BDs feel 😂

[vivid robin]

well i considered switching because of the aesthetic, i always liked spear classes/dragoon in ff

but idk how it plays, it looks kinda slow paced/there isn't much gameplay i can find

[unique valley]

I think its worth switching if you just want to farm anything and everything

[vivid robin]

just don't wanna mess up my dps going from punct, unless playing optimally on this new class is ez

[unique valley]

it apparently is, just hold one button

[vivid robin]

well i just got leg heavenly slasher from my bound, time to switch class ig

[silk beacon]

Surely bm will get more buffs

Just need to wait 4 months more

[unique valley]

Skill Update: Spring 2026

BM: Puncture adds 1 stack of Bleed on crit.

Lancer: Increased attack speed on all skills 😂

[quiet otter]

There are new badges already?

[twin wren]

[dapper hedge]

Wdym how bd's feel they are top 2 class rn

Possibly rank 1

[silk beacon]

Foshi is drunk

[vivid robin]

gotta say with some hours on lancer I think I prefer bm punct's mobility/critrate/block/sustain

[astral tendon]

In his mind shockwave is a build

So understandable

lightning bd is the best overall class rank 1 no doubt

It deals slightly less damage compare to wind kfm but miles ahead in msp

[covert cedar]

Lightning bd top tier?

You can also macro the hell out of it

So 0 stress

Unlike wind kfm, you still gotta climb stages and have 2 mandatory blue books

[unique valley]

lightning bd still buggy and lacks versatility. higher in dps but still flawed gameplay

and noone should definitely need a vpn, macro, cloudpc/nasa pc just to spam two skill animations

at least anyone can play bm manually and it still feels great

[young cedar]

yoo, guys 1 question what do u think is better 120gm hs/18gm stone slash or 90gm hs/48gm stone slash?

[odd dagger]

102 gm 30 stone

black dragon is the only thing u really care about , 48 is only useful after u have gone to diminishing returns on HS stacking like 180+

[dapper hedge]

why are u a rat then

if the class is so bad to play

[unique valley]

i dont like playing human

[young cedar]

tyty

[dapper hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-him-pointing-out-i-saw-it-checking-out-review-gif-10881577179512671677

[astral tendon]

Starting from 165 each stack only gives 0.3% gm damage , assuming all leg book once you reach 156 you can start thinking 48 stone

[astral tendon]

Assuming everyone is playing slasher or dt I guess

Idk, puncture is not viable with non ahk pixel reading macro for the longest time before dawncrest

[sick bison]

there is not a single spec that uses macro that is worse to play than puncture

horrible in msp, if you optimize you dc, if you move you dc

ping spike and it's over

[astral tendon]

Lightning is technically playable manual but not optimal

And if lightning bm is considered manually playable so does lightning bd

Now is ok with mouse macro but dc issue is still there

[astral tendon]

The only thing bm has over lightning bd is projectile protection tho and maybe range but that is not really that relevant if you tank, slasher need stay within 3 meters for tanking as well to access qe

[young cedar]

so is better to keep stacking or at least to get the 30gm of stone slash?

if i do the 30gm stone slash i will have 108gm hs

[astral tendon]

At least 30 if you can get them from leg book

[young cedar]

ya, 2 leggies stone slash

[astral tendon]

Then yeah get 30 and finish the last one once you have close to 165 stacks

[young cedar]

tyty

[loud hinge]

You back? @somber kiln

[buoyant pivot]

What build for BM do I go for once I switch class ?

[analog yarrow]

HS

[buoyant pivot]

Ayt

[scenic badge]

you go the build you have fun with

[unique valley]

Sometimes the fun builds are the ones you want to work 😔

[drowsy palm]

<,<

@astral tendon did you compare DT to Punture to HS?

[astral tendon]

guess is possible

[astral tendon]

40mins after 12 ppl grouped.

[odd dagger]

ez

kr needed 33k sf to clear that

[astral tendon]

meanwhile cn server cleared day 2 without class buff

too many whales

even tw server was week 2 i think

week 1 was only b2

[queen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[astral tendon]

We have a key this week, funny enough next week corridors will take longer

bullsh1t design

[dapper hedge]

Give us back key farm with corridors

[astral tendon]

Funny enough this run, if both side didn’t fail the knock up once it’s probably a clear

And that’s with 1 or 2 dead pretty early in the first 2 mins

[odd dagger]

yea u guys seemed to have soo much room

on that clear

[astral tendon]

I was chilling most of the fight

[odd dagger]

crossing into 0 focus

[dapper hedge]

[scenic badge]

so HS will always remain the strongest build?

[odd dagger]

no

always is weird word when hs spend more than half its lifetime being unviable

[astral tendon]

Is viable after legs

[faint marlin]

i wanna ask, heavenly said it can reset cd of FOB if have 18 stack grandmaster , but what happen if i use bladecall? its still reset cd of bladecall? or just reset cd FOB?

[astral tendon]

No

only for flock

[faint marlin]

ah ok ty for the answer

[somber kiln]

Bruh I moved from DT to slasher with like 80ms and im feeling liberated

Sure DT got a buff but its still lacking

The main thing that would make kt better was violent blade being available on DT use

But being able to jump back into your rotation so easily plus with aoe

Is amazing

Thank god for this class exchange voucher 😭

[honest haven]

its so much nicer to not be compelled into buffing yourself

[astral tendon]

hs you kind still need to buff yourself nowadays since bd damage is more

Now

But at least is not required

[somber kiln]

Like i actually feel like i can tank with having a block at my whims

Plus it gives me max boost

[astral tendon]

Dt is sh1t to tank with

[somber kiln]

I hope they just continue to buff it, DT was giving me such a hard time at 80ms

[astral tendon]

easiest tanking spec is still puncture

[somber kiln]

Eh

[astral tendon]

Even tho the damage is crap nowadays

[somber kiln]

I hate macros and idk bout min maxing damage specs

But i heard punc changed jts playstyle?

[astral tendon]

Is just with the max boost change the ahk pixel reading macro is not required anymore

[honest haven]

yea thats kinda the annoying thing about dt, get an unfortunate knock down and you can mess up your rotation or something. I do like the dt animation but draw stance is too punishing for casual play

[astral tendon]

And apparently with some technology you can do like 4 puncture per second if you skip tab

[somber kiln]

Yeah and not ping friendly for me 😭😭😭

I honestly wish punc played like how we spamming hs

Get bd up and just hold it down

[astral tendon]

with the new change you can do breeze and puncture and just lmb rmb spam

[somber kiln]

The rotation just feels so janky

[astral tendon]

It cost 0 focus

[honest haven]

I do like that hs requires some bd management tho

would be too broken otherwise, even tho its kinda ez

[somber kiln]

Eh honestly

I dont see a hige drop off

Then again

[honest haven]

its like 30% dps loss for me

[somber kiln]

My gear is low since im now returning

I parse 160k on mushin dummy, i got a long ways

[astral tendon]

By doing the calculation yourself right

That figure

[honest haven]

I was battling asura alone the other day just to test it

I noticed it a lot then

[astral tendon]

Strictly compare bd vs non bd should be close to 40% damage

but then during stone is like doubled

[honest haven]

o yea if u get 30 stone it should be huge too

probably best at my point to go for 2 leggy stone now than >90 hs right

[somber kiln]

Well they said earlier to just get 30gm stone and then dump on hs till 156?

[honest haven]

I just have 1 leggy tho

but I guess stone is more beneficial than another leggy hs

until 30 at least

[somber kiln]

Yeah i had to dump into some purple stones to get 30

I only have leggy hs

1

[honest haven]

was gonna do that but its so many purple books

[somber kiln]

Well i used the class change route since I was swapping from DT

[honest haven]

don think its worth until u get leggys tbh

I'm at 119% hs dmg now

at 90 stacks

will 30 stack stone really be worth 6 purple

[somber kiln]

Ah im only 60gm hs and 30gm stone

[honest haven]

it will probably make your rotation much smoother tho

[somber kiln]

Yeah, the 10s is pretty huge on 4 at 30gm

I can still swap one more leg

Going for the 2 randos from the 100g box

[honest haven]

thats so risky x)

we have so many leggys

for lancer I get it but

12.5% chance for hs

uff

[somber kiln]

No i can swap one of the rando leggies bc i got some leftover vouchers from the class change

[honest haven]

can you class swap to your own class?

[somber kiln]

And hoping the other is a good skill

Or buy more vouchers

[honest haven]

I thought it was only to other classes

[somber kiln]

Well i swapped to kfm for the free one and swapped back to bm

Had to buy another clsss change kit

[honest haven]

ah

[somber kiln]

And I can reroll bm books with the swap, i got 5 days left

As long as i got enougg of the vouchers

[honest haven]

5 days for what? 😮

is there a time limit to swap

[somber kiln]

Yeah when you make the first swap, they give you 7days window to swap books still

[honest haven]

ic

[somber kiln]

It can only be the same school books though

[scenic badge]

Wondering if I should stay tds or move to hs before my hours are up for converting leg books 😭

[somber kiln]

For me, swapping made the gamd much more fun for me

From DT

I actually quit bc of it

HS wins in the convenience regard

But idk about damsge compared to lightnimg

[astral tendon]

with future updates of 3 line soul shields tds would be a bit better since tds benefit from block the most

But again wouldn’t say they instantly jumped above hs due to how ez hs is to play

[somber kiln]

Hmmm

[odd mantle]

im back to puncture when tab comes out

if i last that long heeeeeeeeeeeh

[astral tendon]

Funny enough it’s not even that big of a boost from either gm or pure numbers on multiplier

Dev really hate puncture for being an op purple back in mw

Similar fate with wind bd

Wind bd is trashed harder

[odd mantle]

maybe ill save enough gold and go thunder if focus still feels bad with it

if only it was skill point positive on crit tab, neutral is the best we get

[astral tendon]

It somewhat solve the focus issue cos is +1 from crit tab instead of +0

[somber kiln]

Yeah punc had to gooooo

I just hope they dont gut HS

Which they like to do

Break perfectly good specs

[somber kiln]

Also circling back to this

Its that big?

Like keeping bd up as much as possible?

Using 4V and tab off cd?

[astral tendon]

the non bd ap per hit is 7.8 i think

bd is +3

uh 8.8

so actually 35%

not close to 40

is 8.8 per hit vs 11.8 per hit

[scenic badge]

ima stay tds

[somber kiln]

case and point why i needed to switch lmao

[odd mantle]

history erased 🦀

[faint marlin]

is this enchant for heavenly too?

[silver moth]

no

[somber kiln]

Unfortunately no virtuous badges support directly to Heavenly slasher

You only get it at sacred

[faint marlin]

ah kk, thank you for the explanation

[warm torrent]

does someone have a yast for slasher build?

[uneven kernel]

KR badges AP bonus, Virtuos 4-19, sacred 22-73, dawn 82-244, depending on upgrade

[somber kiln]

What's this?

[odd dagger]

they added ap to older bad levels

[manic pivot]

Hello, what would be the best Heroic and Legendary skillbook to choose if I were to change my character to Blade Master?
I got no knowledge of BM build...just played very briefly BM during covid period and that was about it so any advice would be sincerely appreciated! Thanks!

[astral tendon]

Covid period?

The game does not exist during that

Live and Neo are different

[manic pivot]

Yes I understand that I just meant how I have no knowledge and therefore require help...

[vivid robin]

heavenly slasher build is easiest and on top rn

[manic pivot]

Thank you! Is it a free build or a paid build? (I can't afford to spend money on the game.... T^T)

[vivid robin]

pretty friendly build, use this coupon i think it still works DLSTREAMGIFTS, lets u select a legendary, just pick heavenly slasher

might not be a selectable actually

i think its random i forgot

good luck

alternatively u can make another class, pick your random book there, do a free class switch and select the book

since u can convert a random skill into a selectable box

[manic pivot]

will do thanks a lot!!

[honest haven]

I'm playing slasher right now and I only got 1 legendary slasher, if u grind gold u can probably afford a leg selector by the end of battle pass, build works fine with just that for now

oh and u need a purple flock of blades ig

but your free legendary could also help inform what to pick if you like that playstyle

otherwise if u dont have any leggys, 48 purple should be enough with flock to make it play fairly well

and I guess a searing slash

[manic pivot]

thank you!

i think i can get 2 purples skillbook from achievement and soul event as well! can you please recommend me the skillbooks to select for Purple Heroice skillbook plz?

[honest haven]

well tell me all books u have first

and the ones u can change

if u have like 10+ purple books it should be fine

if u got a leggy book its also good

ideally u want to hit the grandmaster milestones

under 48 with purple alone makes it rough'

[manic pivot]

I dont have any yet...

[honest haven]

did u get your legendary book?

[manic pivot]

I will create a random class and switch to BM

so I can use the free ticke to select the legendary book

[honest haven]

yep thats smart

[manic pivot]

and I was told that I can get 2 free Purple books as well

so for legendary, I should get Heaven Slasher yeah?

but which ones should I get for the 2 x purple heroic ones?

[honest haven]

u get a selector purple for free yea, save that for the bm, so you'll have one purple at lvl 50 and one at 58 I guess

from achievement

[manic pivot]

and also one from the soul boost

[honest haven]

I guess u should create a lancer then cuz it has few purple books

higher chance for a good lancer book

at lvl 50

then use that to lvl up

also high chance for good legendary book

2/3 I believe

[manic pivot]

what do you mean?

[honest haven]

they have 3 legendary books

4 and lmb are good

[manic pivot]

oh I see

[honest haven]

so if u want to go bm, and need purples

[odd dagger]

4 is kinda useless on DL

[honest haven]

getting there would be easiest as lancer

[odd dagger]

until u get 48/48

[manic pivot]

because it is a new class, it has less selection, therefore higher chance of getting a better book

[honest haven]

oh really?

[odd dagger]

yea

[honest haven]

hm

[manic pivot]

but I doubt I can level up that fast ...the event will end soon no?

[odd dagger]

you can lvl up pretty fast this patch

finishing story puts u at 53~

55 in like 2 days of train

if u can find a good clan

58 in a week or less

[honest haven]

oh yea, I guess if ur swapping anyway, u can use the selector from soul boost to get lmb as well since ur gonna swap anyway

in case the legendary sucks

[manic pivot]

oh wow...

[odd dagger]

although if u are confident in ur ability to grind. u could jst instantly swap to slasher

gm 18 leggy slasher can easily go through msp

[honest haven]

thats true ig, would miss out on 2 purples tho

[odd dagger]

u have 7 days to swap skills

even after switching

[manic pivot]

im not confident at all...im new to this game haha

[honest haven]

so he would have leggy slasher, purple selector and swap the lvl 50 free purple to flock, yeah I suppose that works.

I was 18 slasher for a few days before I got the 10 purples from battle pass

at lower dungeons it was fine but yeti etc was really rough, was like lvl 68 or smth

it should definitely be fine for regular content tho

then if you get battle pass by eventually selling gold, you can get 10 purple selectors

which would roughly get you to where I'm at rightn ow

minus the levels

[manic pivot]

awesome thank uuuu

[honest haven]

be sure to stack crit rate

[manic pivot]

just wanted to play the game for fun haha enjoying regular contents is all i wanted 😛

[honest haven]

helps with the focus regen

[manic pivot]

how do i do that?

[honest haven]

well your accessories, psyches, soul shield (I believe you get 8 double crit ones for free in the current event in dragon express), and crit primers / psyches on soul shields as well

but for now just do the story and use those accessories

[manic pivot]

how do we get those?

[honest haven]

weeklies should get u some, dungeons drop it too

[manic pivot]

ohh okok haha gotta do the story mode first

[honest haven]

primers u craft so make sure u get the soul wardens guild

[manic pivot]

ohh okok will do thanks!

[honest haven]

gl!

[manic pivot]

thankssss

[somber kiln]

So

Just to confirm

I have 72gm Slasher (leg) and 30gm stone (purple) i can grind to swap out 1 leg but which should I choose?

Should I just stack into slasher?

[odd dagger]

you should get 1 leggy stone

[somber kiln]

Hmmm

Ok

Unfortunately, I'll be 6gm short of the 48

Unless I swap a slasher to reach it

[odd dagger]

are u running 5 purple stones or what

u shouldnt go 48 stone

[somber kiln]

Ok

[odd dagger]

b4 u are 150+ slashers

[somber kiln]

Stay at 30 and swap out the other stones for has huh?

[odd dagger]

yes

[somber kiln]

Ok bc it will take me to 42

I can get the 84gm on slasher that way

And 30gm

Stone

Both leg

[odd dagger]

oh, u are already at 1 leggy stone?

or 0

[somber kiln]

0 stone
2x slasher

I have a honed slash im working on swapping out

[odd dagger]

yea definitely get 1 stone

then

[somber kiln]

Kk

[somber kiln]

That would take me to 42gm
Simply just swap out the 12 to put on slasher right?

Keep 30

[odd dagger]

yes

we just want it to be leggy and gm 30 for 10 sec BDR , higher AP mod and focus recovery

[astral tendon]

The real diminishing return kicks in from 165

So assuming all leg books 156 is the point to stop

before that get more slasher would be better

[somber kiln]

But getting at least one leg stone slash would be ok tho right?

Or 30 purple is good enough

[astral tendon]

1 leg 1 purple is alright

[somber kiln]

Huh? 30gm?

Werent they gonna give us back the gms on the initial book?

Didnt seem to work for me

[astral tendon]

18gm

[somber kiln]

The 10s on the 30gm is nice tho

[astral tendon]

Not worth with 3 more slots

[warm torrent]

what skills are usually used to apply black dragon buff for heavenly slasher?

[astral tendon]

Stone slash and sun stroke

[warm torrent]

is blade call worth it?

[somber kiln]

No
Need flock of blades

Blade call doesnt do anything really for slasher

[somber kiln]

Really?

[astral tendon]

You can do some calculation the bd damage increase is around 35% the extra 4 seconds increase the up time by like 10%

So in an ideal world you do 35% more damage in 10% of the time

So 3.5% increase

18 stacks surely gives you more than 3.5% increase

[warm torrent]

for stoneslash, do i need the legendary book or is 30 gm ok too?

[somber kiln]

Hmmm fair point

[quiet otter]

So, ppl be saying punct is bis now cause you just need to lmb rmb now

[astral tendon]

Is only the case for 2 type of ppl

Mega new skill stacker, so they mainly deal damage from the new skill minimum 48 preferably over 100

Or technology users so you can use puncture 3 times/seconds

For normal player going lmb rmb although you can slot off focus skill, you are missing 15% and later 20% crit rate

[sick bison]

What did I miss, how is lmb rmb even viable?

And isn’t the new skill locked behind CD anyway, so getting it faster does nothing if both builds get max stacks within the cd

[astral tendon]

You can remove all focus regain skill while having 0 focus issue

So it’s more consistent with triggering the skill

Tbh is only really bis for technology users

3 puncture per sec would out weight the missing crit rate especially when you have max cards

And is more chance to trigger new skills off cd

[quiet otter]

wdym technology users?

[astral tendon]

The forbidden technique of having more count

[sick bison]

wouldn't it be LMB crit gated anyway, so impossible to reach in actual content?

[astral tendon]

Puncture is always max boost after leg

If you run breeze is +2 focus from lmb, -2 from rmb net 0

And some tw guy already get working macro on 3 hits per sec

Remove fissure and falcon, is 2 more slots for new skills

[sick bison]

oh lol that's wild

[gilded thistle]

The issue is getting the new skill multiple times

[sick bison]

yeah unless they bless us with another transfer cycle, it'll be rough

how is it even obtained, lol

[gilded thistle]

8 legendary pages, 500g, 5% chance to get the item to transmute it, 95% to get a random legendary box

[astral tendon]

The reason why I f2p basically

If the rate is not an abysmal 5 I’d prep for leg book and get transcendent weapon by now

[gilded thistle]

Unless they make it more accessible, it seems like none will go after it

[astral tendon]

That skill actually equalised a lot of class to a degree

[gilded thistle]

Thats hardly the way to go about balancing though

[astral tendon]

Cos once fully stacked up, is like 60% of your damage and it is the same for every class

So the actual class diff is only the remaining 40%

[sick bison]

yeah doesn't seem worth considering with the current acquisition method

how does lmbrmb puncture compare without the new skill, if we assume 3x per sec

[astral tendon]

Don’t think anyone actually tested it

[odd dagger]

3x per sec seem insane

thats hs level count

[astral tendon]

Is still 6 hits per second

[odd dagger]

while having 10% cr

[astral tendon]

3lmb 3rmb

[sick bison]

I'll run some macro tests, I've got an alt bm account with leggy punc, see if I can figure out if 3/s is viable without going too deep into machinery

[astral tendon]

Is not without technology

[odd dagger]

prolly need chinese technology

[astral tendon]

Not even Chinese technology help on that

But you still have limit

[odd dagger]

puncture caps at 2.5/s even if u jst spam it by itself.

[sick bison]

yeah chinese still uses pixels, but the find pattern is MS intensive, 3x per second is kinda rough

[odd dagger]

well advanced chinese technology

[gilded thistle]

It's impossible to go 3 rotations /sec with lmb tab rmb and staying online for more than 20 seconds

[odd dagger]

[gilded thistle]

what was it i missed it

[astral tendon]

[gilded thistle]

ngl i miss my puncture bm

tons of damage is good and all from pokey boi

[astral tendon]

Was only that in mw

[gilded thistle]

but the bm kit is just too good

[sick bison]

don't lie to yourself

puncture was hell

punished for optimization

[astral tendon]

slasher bm have everything or can have everything but damage

[gilded thistle]

i had no optimization problems

[sick bison]

having to optimize walking

[gilded thistle]

kekw

i just adapted to not moving

or minimum movement

[astral tendon]

Even that you still poof

[gilded thistle]

the night i swapped i was dced while standing still during raid

[astral tendon]

that being said every boss should have threat mech

[gilded thistle]

Just 4slot all gear and slam leggy mantras

its amazing that you can do anything if you spend 100k in the game

[astral tendon]

My gear will never reach gold line sorry about that

Is not possible

[gilded thistle]

It is if you're willing to spend but is it worth it?

nope

[astral tendon]

I mean I lost my will to spend

[sick bison]

being a BM will do that

constant struggle for sub par results

[astral tendon]

I played 30k sf bd

Easier dogging more braindead game play and more damage

2.1k ap

[sick bison]

also far more forgiving with ping on counts

infinite crit rate so dps retention is all there for high content

no dc

buffed with new leggy

[gilded thistle]

but its a lynn class

[astral tendon]

the only thing missing is 5x daze but that you can do poharan and 1 daze

[gilded thistle]

[somber kiln]

Jin supremacy

[astral tendon]

And range protection but is not like other bm outside of hs have it

[odd dagger]

but even then

bm can do poh + daze

without having to drop or put any skill books

most classes dont have access to free cc

[somber kiln]

What i like bout slasher is the hits per second
My measly 360 life steal is putting im decent work

[odd dagger]

only 2 high cc classes rn are bm and destro

[astral tendon]

Bd have inbuilt double kd

Without any book

[odd dagger]

kd everyone has

issue comes for dazes and stuns

[sick bison]

bd has already killed the boss while BM is dazing it

[odd dagger]

yea gl killing anything when mechs specifically need these ccs

[sick bison]

indeed, if only we had content where there's more than 1 person in the party, that we could allocate different roles to, so that we wouldn't have to do everything on our own

one can dream

could call it "party content" or something like that

[odd dagger]

its still not enough

cause u need to slot in so many books/cores to achieve the same thing

[somber kiln]

Full on shotcalling for a poh run

Nice nice

[odd dagger]

assinging the role to a single person is a lot more easier.

[sick bison]

Running a utility belt to slot those skills, and you'd still outdps BM

[odd dagger]

it takes

4 people

to do what bm can do

[quiet otter]

I told you all you'll regret going hs

[odd dagger]

if one of them fk up

gg u failed it

[sick bison]

well, I guess we can just get someone delusional enough to main BM into the party then, if someone wants to base their entire gameplay experience on that one instance, that's their privilige

[odd dagger]

bms are important to have in raids

so far they have insane utility for both b2 and b3

any pt without bm suffers so hard

[gilded thistle]

Also more than likely you are immortal unless one shotted

[sick bison]

without a doubt, all I'm saying is that no one is seriously considering that as a factor when they decide on their main class, unless they are very dedicated to their non changing static that desperately needs that one role

[odd dagger]

the class in undoubtedly the most fluid gameplay class.

[somber kiln]

Why? 😂

[odd dagger]

the only thing it lacks rn is being not top tier dps

i dont think thing dmg should really be the main factor for maining a class

cause one patch u could be the best

and next patch the bottom tier

You could be the shittiest dps and you would probably still get carried in dungeon thx to HMB privileage.

[quiet otter]

This new punct thingy ppl been trying, if they ever add aoe to it, it's gonna be gg for other builds

[sick bison]

I quit BM mainly due to puncture being so ass to play and optimize, with all the issues

[somber kiln]

Big if though

Plus would be the same for fire

[sick bison]

did not enjoy HS like I liked punc as a concept

so I just rolled after testing HS

[somber kiln]

HS is best for me bc of ping

And macros can take a hike

[odd dagger]

kinda weird though cause u jst swapped to 16m HS

[sick bison]

Yes, and I do not enjoy it

I'd rather play shadow WL or light BD, light as it's closer to BM that I liked

and shadow as I loved maining it

[somber kiln]

Yeah tbh
Not sure the reason why not to rn, convenience

[sick bison]

waiting for class books to finish to see where I'll go

[somber kiln]

Especially with the class change

But

[sick bison]

unless they actually make 4 lmb a solid build on DL

I'll just dip probably

[somber kiln]

To each their own
I was fire all the way when punc was bis

[gilded thistle]

It is a bit rough to play around

but i'll give it time since its something new

[sick bison]

if they just made 4 double cast on hit and not crit, crit is 90% of my issues with this game, I hate it when I can't do a rotation because of crit rate

[gilded thistle]

and coming from puncture bm i feel like im on a wheelchair

[sick bison]

I'm fine with losing dps, just let me play normally and not punish me for not having insane cards

I'm fine even with the CC and positioning risk, as long as my own gameplay is what determines rotation success

and not rng crits

I'm good

[gilded thistle]

Ah yeah that sucks

last night i had a 30% overall crit rate on bt boss 2 about halfway through the fight

next pull i had 60%

that's way too random

[sick bison]

yeah the variance is just wild

[gilded thistle]

[sick bison]

I've had the same level of variance, somehow only on DL

[quiet otter]

DL has one problem, sucks for tanking which you will most of the time since even a trash lancer will steal aggro

[astral tendon]

how many actual bm we have here

[quiet otter]

Not enough

[odd dagger]

BM at heart

[astral tendon]

Does that not enough telling of how sh1t the class is

If the class is that good, why nobody play

[odd dagger]

eh

there is soo many bms

[quiet otter]

And yet ppl beg for hmb at every dungeon

[odd dagger]

that i had to swap off the class

to get some decent wb rankings

its probably the 3rd most populated class

BD > FM > BM

[gilded thistle]

tldr is fook NCKr for shafting bm

[astral tendon]

almost non of them are raid level

[odd dagger]

everyone in top 10 can do atleast b2

[gilded thistle]

Did a run with Senso last night, he's pumping hard

His ap skyrocketed with the upgrades he did

[astral tendon]

I mean yeah, a 2.1/2k bd will pump more

[gilded thistle]

meh pikachus

[astral tendon]

Or kfm

[gilded thistle]

[astral tendon]

Spear probably take like 2.3 to pump more

[gilded thistle]

i was thinking about wind kfm but saying goodbye to msp is not something im willing to go through

[astral tendon]

are you still farming msp

[gilded thistle]

Have you checked my badges? XD

[astral tendon]

Guess I’m too out of date in term of latest news

I mean

[gilded thistle]

im doomed to farm

[astral tendon]

I haven’t login this week

[gilded thistle]

i mean, i barely log as well, nightreign with friends is too damn good this time of the year

i'll fall behind but i don't really mind

[astral tendon]

I’m still playing dw origin

I also need to finish gooning stellar blade at some point

[somber kiln]

Wait
Did reroll to lancer?

[astral tendon]

I’m still bm

[somber kiln]

Yeah
This game is Hella fun, even if you're pugging

[somber kiln]

Ah ok

The game is inna decent spot rn for me

Before it used to have me stressing

But they semi fairly compensate you for your time playing

Spent a whole week earning gold and mats, just to not make any progress on gear bc of rng

[valid cradle]

If anything, shouldnt this favor classes with strong crit buffs even more

[somber kiln]

Moonwater was hell for me

[astral tendon]

I mean yeah but that advantage is always there, and realistically it only benifit kfm a lot

Lightning bd benefited less

[vivid robin]

i'll switch back to bm at some point, dl is the most boring dogshit class damage aside

i wanna go back to puncture spec but i have 18ms now and i'm scared of 133's

i never had a dc before tho

[gilded thistle]

As long as you don't move too much while holding you'll be fine

too much as in more than 5 seconds while holding

it always depends on the number of inputs of your macro though

[vivid robin]

i just used something from i think a viet or thai player on yt

i probably never dc'd cause its optimized for like 50ms XD

[gilded thistle]

I've seen the code on that one, you can reduce the amounts of send lines and have a wider window to move

but still can't move freely, i remember people with it were still going poof

but 18ms

I kinda miss my puncture bm aswell

[vivid robin]

yea i changed to full fibre from semi fibre

[gilded thistle]

but now i have to farm so much gold to swap back

[vivid robin]

25-30 to 18

i'm still weighing slasher? i just don't like the idea of just holding rmb and losing out on all the potential crit % from the other build

i'm undergeared so it was nice

[gilded thistle]

Slasher is far stronger and more convenient to grind but i don't really fancy its playstyle

[vivid robin]

yea..

wondering if builds with the new tab get rid of cyclone in the rotation

wait whats your ping chifu?

[gilded thistle]

possibly, if you can get more punctures in the rotation and with enough crit rate

[gilded thistle]

28-29ms

[vivid robin]

u must of had your mac way more tuned than mine if u dc'd before qq

[gilded thistle]

I had a good testing ground at the time

making it work at 100% while staying online in ssg

peak content

[astral tendon]

haven’t play puncture for god know how long

I mean I didn’t even play hs that much

Yesterday was the first login of the week and it was for raid

log off immediately after raid

[vivid robin]

even when u played it by the sounds of it 50% of your time was offline after dc's

swear u have stupid low ping nanaya

[astral tendon]

is 13-14 not low

Certain individuals have 2 pings

Those are low

[vivid robin]

thats diabolical

[astral tendon]

He is like 20km from the server hosting data center

Few German guys have single digit ping

Double dight are all considered dogsh1t ping compare to those

[vivid robin]

i have this weird issue with i assume exitlag

[gilded thistle]

It'll be a pain in the ass to fine tune but once you get it right you'll be chilling

[vivid robin]

when i type in party/world, my message goes through 50% of the time

that normal?

like i have to repeat send it

don't remember it happening before

[gilded thistle]

new feature

[vivid robin]

guessing we won't get the new leg tab before the class change thing disappears

[gilded thistle]

Yeah, that kinda sucks

They should have left the paid one up in f10 forever

[vivid robin]

guess i could go for that leg selection chest instead of 2 legendaries

[somber kiln]

Glad the game got a lot of viable options

Dont think any spec is completely bad right?

Oh, what about pierce?

Hear no talks about that

[sick bison]

not much to talk about

no legendary

[crude dock]

I don't really understand the puncture dc thing. I ran circles all day in msp (15-20 ms) holding down puncture macro before I class changed and only ever dc'd once. And that single dc wasn't even in msp, it was months ago in bbr. I do use exitlag but idk if that makes any difference.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's weird

haven't had any dc doing the same thing on shadow wl either, which spams even harder since it doesn't need timing

[sick bison]

this doesn't happen in MSP

it only happens in dungeons

or on dummy with very low ping and constant movement

and if your counts aren't perfect, you won't get close to DCing

[crude dock]

I can try on the dummy later just for science, but I do recall nanaya complaining about it happening in msp when he played puncture. It doesn't really matter though, just kinda of curious if it is a some weird internet routing to server issue, or if I am having a (positive in this case) skill issue.

[sick bison]

pretty sure nanaya's counts were the highest of anyone when he dced in msp

if you have regular perfect counts of 2/2/2 it won't happen in msp

will happen in dungeons though

personally never dced on dummy, as I never just tried moving there, but happened in dungeons all the time

[crude dock]

maybe my puncture macro was just bad then lmao

since I made it myself

can't fix it now though since not bm anymore

[sick bison]

yeah most people didn't run an optimized macro, so it never was an issue

if you pushed for max counts, you'd get punished with a DC

[crude dock]

well either way, that's pretty dumb

to be expected from nc though I guess

[astral tendon]

I actually never complained msp

Or at least almost never

Idk how many session I have in msp with puncture

Don’t think i had dc issue

[crude dock]

maybe I'm just a schizo then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral tendon]

Was only in dungeons, dummy if intentional and some rare cases wb

Back in the day was worse cos tree ssg, later in sf garden all require stupid amount of moment

[honest haven]

any1 got a yast for purple light bm?

thinking to convert an alt to a bm but without sacred badge hs is kinda meme right

was gonna buy some cheap purples and convert one alt so what are the goals to aim for?

already got a couple hs alts so I was thinking I'd try smth else

[honest haven]

or perhaps getting 18 hs is enough lul

[astral tendon]

Hs without 48 is pretty crap in every way imaginable

Lightning tbh is also pretty sh1t without bd from stone slash

I have a purple lightning and it’s not that fun to play, especially for lightning you also need scared mystic badge

[silk beacon]

and if u dont crit

say goodbye to focus

[silver moth]

If i have 🦵 stone slash, then 30gm give 16s or it just stay in 10s?

[gilded thistle]

10 seconds

[silver moth]

Trash class

[somber kiln]

so uh

do Mystic badges just dont do anything for hs?

or is it considered a "pierce"

[raven dragon]

wtb trash leg skills pm me

[quiet otter]

I thought it would be 16 aswell

[silver moth]

U need sfm badge

Virtuous is trash

[quiet otter]

Dawn is kinda trash too, same stats just 82ap bonus

I mean for the amount of gold you need to invest to get that extra ap, seems like i rather just upgrade insignias instead

Unles you alrerady +10 on sacred

Then is just one tap away

[somber kiln]

sfm?

[silver moth]

silver frost mountain badge, idk what u guys call it

[somber kiln]

ok i see at the bottom

it states the "pierce series"

[silver moth]

yep

[somber kiln]

but thats all it does for Hs? lmao

[dapper hedge]

The slasher twink is alive

Whoops forgot ye

But hey it works quite good on purple

Atleast against lvl 60 targets

[astral tendon]

Real issue came when crit rate go sh1t

But msp should be fine either way cos more mobs

[woven lagoon]

hi guys that soul bad for bm slasher? thanks

[dapper hedge]

Yeah msp 0 issues tbh on single target i rarely run out of focus aswell

[astral tendon]

🐳

[woven lagoon]

soul badge*

[astral tendon]

I run out of focus on leg hs with 65%+ crit rate

With weapon and mantra focus recovery

[dapper hedge]

[dapper hedge]

I mean you need sacred soul badge tbh

Virtuous badge suck on slasher bm

[astral tendon]

Both badges are useless for hs before sacred

[dapper hedge]

If you grab one sun stroke it is i guess

[woven lagoon]

i got virtuour soul badge from quest it selection + 5 i just dont know what is good for slasher build

[odd dagger]

sunstroke is the only useful one,yea

[astral tendon]

Doesn’t matter the only one that is slightly useful is sun stroke and you rarely use it

[dapper hedge]

Yeh i mean purple sunstroke every 24 secs

That's why i pushed soul badge to sacred

But game fkd me tho had to pity +8 and the +9 until 95%

[woven lagoon]

thank you guys

[rapid jolt]

anyone know if this same % to trigger the orb for all HS, puncture, DT, and TDS?

[odd dagger]

its kinda irrelevent after the 10sec cd change

u will always have 5 orbs up

[obsidian steeple]

buff bm, bm weak

[astral tendon]

Tds May not

Hs will always have it, puncture mostly will always have it as well

[rancid pelican]

I want to change class from fire KFM to BM. Is it better to have 30 GM Stone Slash and the rest Heavenly Slasher or just Full Heavenly Slasher? I only have 1 leg.

[dapper hedge]

Would look like this then i guess

I guess rather go with only 1 stone slash or you lose too much gm on hs

@astral tendon

What do you say

[astral tendon]

no point to have stone slash if it is not legendary

If you have 1 legendary stone slash, there is an argument if you want to go 30 with purple or not

Without at least 1 legendary stone slash there is no point

[dapper hedge]

True i guess only gets worth it if you get close on 165 gm on hs

[rancid pelican]

aight will stack on heavenly slasher then,I saw montu using that build on his alt

[somber kiln]

Now got me wondering if bothering with the 18gm or just stack another hs lol

Idk

[astral tendon]

If you have 1 leg then is fine for 18 but depends on your hs stacks I guess

[wind merlin]

hmm, back in the day i was using pixel on puncture. 120+ lmb/tab and 430-+ punctures. Not as good as your fancy stuff for sure, but i never had dcs etc . Weird . Then again im a pleb anyway.

HS is just ez for msp. It will never be meta imo. And that new skill. Yeah gl gambling

[somber kiln]

Im 96, hs and 18 stone i think

Both ate legs

[somber kiln]

Well thats the thing though
Isnt it meta rn? Majority are there

But my biggest attraction to it

I randomly get 120+ms even with exitlag

Gameplay isnt that impaired even at that high

[odd dagger]

its absolutely the meta

7/10 in top 10 is HS

[somber kiln]

Its the most ping friendly
So imma stixk to it even if meta changes

[odd dagger]

real ones stay with HS through the sun and rain

[dapper hedge]

[astral tendon]

Idk if there are any real ones

The real ones those are yapping here are not even bm anymore

[odd dagger]

[silk beacon]

most of the time 8/10 or 9/10 xD

[astral tendon]

On the bright side, Riven is no1 as fire now

With 3k+ ap

I’m still 2.4

I had 0 gear progression ever since the new dawncrest patch

life is good when f2p and only play 2-3 times a week

[grand forge]

playing this game for the gameplay and not chasing dopamine through micro dps upgrades is peak

[sick bison]

I saw you snipe a WB costume with a price that would make a f2p player have a stroke

🫡

[astral tendon]

Left over gems from month ago

November maybe

probably have enough gems to make a few gold line left

But let’s wait it to drop below 500

[sick bison]

[forest mountain]

How much is it to make a transcendent timestream @astral tendon

[astral tendon]

2.5k maybe

[gilded thistle]

[dapper hedge]

[wind merlin]

None of the 3 viable ATM specs has crit buffs. And imo light >HS>fire. In similar gear. However, because light was so bad, there is like 2 BMS on that spec lol. And about fire... I played this for 3 days many moons ago, and I hated every second of it lol.

[hearty ether]

real

[silk beacon]

not really

Hs does more dps than light on similar gear rn with the crit rates shits

[obsidian steeple]

I just rly hope they buff bm it feels weak rn

[astral tendon]

it is weak, one of the weakest class

Along side with sum if we don’t count hammer and sin

Uh also fm, they are dogsh1t this patch as well

[wind merlin]

FM didn't get much but aren't dogsh1t per se. Now if you compare them to wind kfm, warlock and light bd, then I suppose

But in general they do pretty okay

Certainly better than BM ... XD

Warlock in other hand... So cool to see 1800 ap few few books doing 300+ on yeti.... At lvl 60 something

[astral tendon]

idk about that, hs and wtd are basically the same tier now on a 2+ mins fight with similar gear

[astral tendon]

And spear

Even des are above the rest just not by that much

fm is indeed dogsh1t this patch just like sin and bm, sum is dogsh1t dps but they are mandatory anyway

[wind merlin]

well, thats why so many changed to warlock

i dont like to be like the rest

and spear .... man ani is flimsy and its just not fun by looking at their gameplay

wind kfm... i was considering heavily into going to that

but

single target..

...and dungeons drop nothing...

[silk beacon]

im so close to get +10% crit rate on cards

hope there will be a diff on dps

and solve some focus issues

[wind merlin]

well if you go from sub 40 to sub 50, it would be rng

you`ll see some changes sometimes

but its too rng

like i can see the same on my kid

she got zulia and hong from the gold boxes, and its playing BB which is extra 5%

sometimes everything is crit, sometimes nothing

[tacit star]

Who bought my leg TDS yesterday on EU? I have valentine ready for you.

[astral tendon]

You can just send it to me, I don’t mind

[somber kiln]

What new legs are we expecting?

Just thunder stroke and connection?

[astral tendon]

For bm yeah

And both of them are kinda underwhelming

but tbh dont think any class got good skill other than kfm

[sick bison]

lancer got a good skill if you love to gamble

if you crit, insane dps buff, if you don't wasted book slots

crit rate is like 50% max

[silk beacon]

ligth will have better uptime

but 3 books is gonna be q.q

[astral tendon]

in reality not even that much more uptime

you can reduce 4 cd by like 4-5 times within the origial 36 seconds cd

and the 30 stack effect only 1 second, and idk if it works if you do not have bd to start with

[silk beacon]

its gonna be situational

if im able to hit violent blade block at specific timings it can be close to 100% uptime

but that will hapen once in a while XD

im gonna try to get the books

and will comeback here and cry later if it sucks so much

[astral tendon]

is a book that you probably wont even feel in real fight

dummy maybe

[silk beacon]

well i will have stone slash few secs earlier

on any fight so

idk why they just put only 1 extra second instead of just do 5 or 6 secs bd efect on tab

[astral tendon]

fear of bm to be too broken if lightning have uptime like fire

realistically even if lightning remove the bd damage and just add all of them to normal hit, you still cannot sniff lightning bd

[hearty ether]

after playing fire for 8~ months, switching to hs is such a challenge 😔

[astral tendon]

if they remove all the random conditions for bm skill, bms are still weaker than top class but at least not trash

[silk beacon]

yep, thats why idk why they dont give us atleast those extra seconds of bd efect

[astral tendon]

now bms are trash no matter what you play

[odd dagger]

dont be a sheep

stick to fire

[hearty ether]

too late

[faint cloud]

Trash class for sure!!!

[hearty ether]

pray we get another class change im changing 2 summoner fr this time

[odd dagger]

i coulda stayed a slasher if i didnt get bullied out of top 10 wb by all this slasher "mains"

[silk beacon]

wdym

u cant talk anymore

u went to the dps class

[odd dagger]

Im playing the superior 4 lancer unlike the lmb sheeps

[silk beacon]

just wait till some ppl doesnt show off

idk how but i got 64% crit rate

xD first and last time ill get that rank

[odd dagger]

2 DT representatives

1 TDS

[silk beacon]

senso and riven are just overgeared af

top 3 is secured by them and nanaya

[odd dagger]

Fire BMs always playing with disadvantage

never getting that grab multiplier

[hearty ether]

was this today?

[silk beacon]

yes

[hearty ether]

ur basically playing heavenly slasher on steroids

[odd dagger]

thats lmb build, ew

[astral tendon]

Fire is in a bit of a disadvantage even now

Riven has 300+ap on senso

[astral tendon]

You can’t even get it in raid

most raid bosses can’t be grabbed

Another day of not logging in

Feels great

[hearty ether]

would HS build need to switch out sun stroke for leggy lunar tab?

[wind merlin]

er, why would you? it gives you 6 sec 300% of ap extra dmg.

you also get free iframe/max boost after

[hearty ether]

true i just thought maybe it was worth swapping them out

[astral tendon]

No, stacks means minimal gain after 165, start from there each stack is +0.3% and would yield way less to total damage

[silver moth]

30gms lightning tab seem good if u already have 🦵 book

[somber kiln]

You got the translation of the gm effects of the tab?

Not getting it

[silver moth]

18gm add more dmg, 30gm give 1 more sec buff duration, 48 reduce stone slash cd when hit

if i not wrong

but honestly, i feel it still trash

[wind merlin]

@silver moth but I'd believe TDs lower the cooldown of tab, no?

[silver moth]

only when u have scared badge

[astral tendon]

Yes but lightning still don’t truly have 100% up time

even with the leg tab is still not 100%

[last raven]

WTB blue honed slash black dragon

[rapid jolt]

wtb leggy puncture NA

[wind merlin]

@last raven EU or na ?

@rapid jolt puncture?? I mean , puncture??? Dear lord ...

[rapid jolt]

Yeah, I like puncture

[analog yarrow]

Double class change?

[rapid jolt]

yes

[gilded thistle]

puncture ftw

[odd mantle]

i swapped off puncture a day before they announced leg tab T_T

[obsidian steeple]

buff bm

[silver moth]

lighting was never have 100% up time buff so it fine

[somber kiln]

In a perfect world, all specs would have their own strengths and the choice would only be if you like the playstyle

[wind merlin]

@somber kilnhaha 😄 good one xD

[somber kiln]

No like

Not a single game seems to get this right 😭😭

[wind merlin]

@somber kilnin live at least you can just swap spec ... fire for mobs ... 3rd for bosses

[wooden rain]

Not a single sh*tty mmo game you play perhaps

[odd dagger]

I mean there are advantages for pretty much each spec rn.
They jst kept buffing slasher so people would eventually try it out.
Even when slasher was good enough , people refused to give it a shot.

Lightning is 100% gonna be the strongest spec soon cause people still refuse to be lightning despite all the new buffs.

It can farm MSP just as good and does insane dmg.

[wind merlin]

What's the advantage on puncture, hmm . Why everyone bar maybe one ( and one who didn't logged in from a month) switched away from it ?

[odd dagger]

puncture's advantage are not for whales

it is the strongest mid game spec still

it has the least barrier to entry just like DT

HS cant even start being an actual spec until u are 48 GM

puncture also becomes insanely strong once u are struly maxed out as well if u whale enough for the celestial thudner skill

Puncture still beats out Slasher for the most part on single target unless u have enough stacks and crit % cards.

[wind merlin]

I would disagree on the last part. Maybe still holds on purple Vs purple but that's as far as it goes .

[odd dagger]

Its still strong and again Slasher was buffed again cause people didnt want to swap, so dev's keep buffing it so people actually try it instead of clining on to one spec and preaching it.

now people are preaching slasher

and will keep clinging on to it even if puncture gets buffs after buffs.

then suddenly someone starts doing billions with puncture and suddenly everyone will swap.

[primal hound]

It's already been proven multiple times that puncture is the pure dps spec

in terms of pure raw dmg on a boss

[wind merlin]

People don't want to swap because, how the fck you swap in dead market

[odd dagger]

if someone wanted to swap

they can swap

there is enough

[wind merlin]

People did now due to the double class swap but that's about it . I wanted to move from puncture since sf release. Because it was meh I barely played for like 3 months. In the end I was doing msp with light draw

[odd dagger]

back when hs started being meta, most people were still on purples

[primal hound]

hs become meta due to the fact that it just gives a big qol in everyday tasks/grinding

[wind merlin]

Now? Perhaps. Early on? If you don't mind spending a mortgage payment into purple books, which were never there to begin with...

[primal hound]

idk what u mean

[odd dagger]

HS wasnt meta until purples became cheap

HS books were still going for 3-5k

[primal hound]

I was f2p when I had full 60gm purple puncture

haven't spend a cent on books

[wind merlin]

@odd dagger and leggy was like 35-40k if you can find any.

[primal hound]

and that was back when purple puncture was still like 25k+

[wind merlin]

Even if you had gems, no one was really selling prior to queen's boxes. And that's one book. Purple hs was rarely in F5 and whenever they were, prices were really high

@primal hound I bought my first puncture for 20k when DT was 60.

[primal hound]

I also got lucky tho

I opened like 6 punctures

[wind merlin]

Also, prior to the latest buffs on hs, unless you had 90 odd stacks, puncture was better. Even Nanaya swapped back to puncture before he had enough to dump it.

[odd dagger]

thats still the case

low stacks puncture still beats slasher

last buffs were equal for slasher and puncture

[primal hound]

puncture also has a built in ridiculous 20% crit rate

[wind merlin]

25 if we want to be precise but have fun with focus management

And have fun in msp with it xD

[primal hound]

i played puncture msp till i was like lvl 72 before i swapped

it's just slow

i would make maybe 40g an hour max at that lvl

[wind merlin]

Lvl 60 mobs were easy even on puncture... 70 were hell...

[primal hound]

but now im making 100g/hr

i aint even a bm anymore, i might swap back eventually

opened 5 free books and none of them were anything I could use

[wind merlin]

100g if you lucky you mean. I had today 4 yetis in 2h.... No pigs and no drops xD

[primal hound]

so i just class swapped to turn all of them to a main skill

[wind merlin]

Oh another ex BM ... Nevermind

BM is one of the lowest DPS classes now and nothing will change that

The celestial skill would be available just to either the luckiest people in world ever or if people like Nanaya fixate on it and don't mind paying a year worth of mortgage payments on it.

[odd dagger]

celestial doesnt change much anyway

cause lightning BD and KFMs get the best bonuses from it

BMs and Sins are just gonna low dps cause they are pretty much semi sup classes in dev's eyes

CC bots with pt utility

[wind merlin]

Why Korea is sooo fixated on rats and wind kfms... Is the CEO/main dev playing them classes?

[odd dagger]

KFM is justified