Blade Master

[astral tendon]

leg will never be 'cheap' even if it is trash

unless all whale got what they need in term of stacking

if by cheap you mean 50-60k then y, before im done that wont be a thing for slasher

[silver moth]

Unless they release new tier book

[astral tendon]

well y

also that

[silver moth]

Yep, and at that moment, leg will become "purple book"

[astral tendon]

eventually it will probably happen

[silver moth]

Honestly, i feel they rush everything too fast

[astral tendon]

silverforst double the damage

salok will probably double again

then we are in the mils territory

[tawdry yacht]

I'm talking about this

[silver moth]

The diff from whale and f2p is holy moly

[gilded thistle]

You got hopes. Just need to drop the book while Nanaya is not available

Which is rare

[silver moth]

Atm pvp content is pretty same like live

Which is a joke

Wait, live is more balance than this shiet

[gilded thistle]

There's pvp in neo?!

[tawdry yacht]

guys don't listen to him, puncture is the best of the best, was is and will be 💪

[gilded thistle]

All the unfaithful will reroll. Then legendary tab and lmb will join the chat

[silver moth]

U mean, leg lunar slash: connection and lb cyclone

[gilded thistle]

Aye

[silver moth]

Leg lunar slash give boots RB without crit seem noice

[astral tendon]

without overhauling the interaction, there is only 2 ways to save puncture, either increase the multiplier or combine lmb and tab in to 1 book

[astral tendon]

Hs is already saved, if you whale on it

It’s mathematically the best bm build if you can afford to stack it up

and it lose the least amount of damage compared to any build in fight

Tho purple level still suck

[gilded thistle]

Stack them legendary books lads

[odd dagger]

dt gonna be best build soon trust

[honest haven]

Take it from me and my fellow draw stance chads, commit to your build if you enjoy playing it, it will get nerfed and buffed all the time don’t be a meta slave

[odd dagger]

real, hs came from to gutters to this

[tawdry yacht]

how long? 😄

[odd dagger]

it did get massively buffed last patch on kr

[dapper ember]

yeah, I comitt already no need to worry about meta xd

[winged reef]

I wouldn’t say DT was massively buffed

But it was buffed

[astral tendon]

Leg wise it’s only better than pierce now

Is at the bottom and it’s not even close

Even if the scaling is good if you stack up, the fundamental issue of relying on rack up damage and you cannot sustain rack up damage without a sum is still there, the +0.3 extension don’t really solve it

[winged reef]

The patch was mainly lightning buff tbh

[astral tendon]

When fully stacked up include all the rack up multiplier at 4 stacks, dt is about the same as hs

But ofc, you are lucky if you can sustain max stacks for 40-50% of the fight

If it is 100% uptime as long as you do not stop hitting then is a good build if you have enough understanding of the boss to just side step everything

[astral tendon]

lol im rich

300g

[odd dagger]

doesnt it have 8x multiplier at 4x stack and heat and 9.2 while grab

seem strong now

[astral tendon]

5.1 base, 2.0 stack at 4, 1 with heat 1.2 with grab

the issue is your max cast is a bit less than 2.5 per sec

and even with all the mutipliers assuming you always have heat

is 9.3 x 2.5

23.25

which is about the same as hs

without counting potential black dragon buff

but realistically

hs is like 22.5 or somethingh

puncture is 24.8 and lightning after buff is close to 26

puncture and hs will not lose that ap per seconds cos that calculation does not factor in potentail vv for puncture and black dragon for hs

also they are pre buffed value

would be a bit higher if you are using post buff value

lightning although also rely on buff, at least the geenral damage multiplier is higher, even without bd

so dt still sucks, the number is just not there

the 23.25 is assuming you have 100% heat, 100% rack up and 100% grab

which will never be the case

and this is after the 'massive' buff, imagine how sht it is now

idk why they gutted dt this hard

you cant even tank cos you dont have f block access.

and you lose rack up stacks if you do anything, f block, q/e

while lightning can f block and can also do 2x combo after for free cos 1.6 sec bd buff after block

[spiral sky]

One and half combos for me sir

https://tenor.com/view/lag-gaming-door-gif-17974671

https://tenor.com/view/lag-gaming-door-gif-17974671

[dapper ember]

lol you guys use f to block? I've only used 1 when I was playing DT

[astral tendon]

well that is your skill issue, just move closer to the server

[spiral sky]

[astral tendon]

i lmb once and then f block if i dont have tab, when i still play dt

but you always have no tab just because in moonwater you need to tab as soon as it comes up for optimal damage

[dapper ember]

what

[astral tendon]

even if you are pure fire

tab as soon as posible is still the optimal way to dps

if you are using sun stroke badge

[dapper ember]

my only problem, was losing focus and only had 1 focus orb and would have to hold RMB to regen focus lol but then my tab would be up already

[astral tendon]

and sun stroke badge is better than dt badge in moonwater no matter the situation

[dapper ember]

or not regen focus, but until my tab cd was up

which was only like 2 sec

[astral tendon]

i mean why would you have focus issue if you play dt, you are playing hybird at that point

[dapper ember]

I should start using F block more xD

[odd dagger]

hybrid in 2025

[somber kiln]

But with the DT effects

Isnt it better to spam DT

And not ss off cd?

Idk you can extend the bd effect with the DT spam

But realistically in dungeons noways
How often are you just hitting for so long

But also with the stacks
Would we do away with the sunstroke soul badge and just use the DT % inc?

The gm stacks effect that is

[odd dagger]

i mean with silver frost u dont really got a choice

u jst gotta stack high gm DT

and go all in

what were the new gm effect for DT

[astral tendon]

you need around 10dt to cast a sun stroke theortically, as long as the dt badge % is less than 125.5%, sun stroke badge is always better in that regard, in reality it would be a bit less than that cos you lose the rack up damage from the extension, and now the rack up damage is more

someone need to redo the calculation based on the new %

to see at what point dt badge will be better

[analog yarrow]

And the SF mystic badge for dt, its worse than the virtuous badge

[honest haven]

cant we just lmb f? wdym

are you saying its not up constantly

[astral tendon]

well yeah is not up constantly

annoying to use

[odd dagger]

its not as seemless

since u gotta lmb 1st

and u do need koldrak equipped

which is wasted slot

[honest haven]

I'm assuming new badge has to be better than virtuous sunstroke no? 80% dt on top of 48 gm...

but remains to be calculated ig

the mystic badge however, no idea if that's worth as pure fire

but tbh I might even stick to hybrid if sf badge < virtuous ss

until I get a lot of purple dt

[sick bison]

how's that HS dps now that you got a bit more gear @odd dagger ?

[honest haven]

but it feels like dt being buffed such that you use tab less, since 48 gm gives 0.3 sec bd per 2 hits

so sf prolly win idk

[astral tendon]

number still sucks on paper, and it is even worse in real fight

Cos on paper I assumed 100% heat up time 100% 4 stacks time and 100% grab

Under that condition, the dps is only slightly better than slasher, worse than puncture and lightning

losing grab suddenly dt is the worst build on paper by fair

[hearty ether]

draw stance is hell (my skill issue)

[astral tendon]

And good luck competing uptime vs slasher and puncture

[honest haven]

yeah I'm not really arguing that, I'm just trying to get an idea of it

[odd dagger]

if only i got more gear

[astral tendon]

I’ll test next month

Puncture vs slasher under same gear

[honest haven]

right now hybrid QoL is really nice, good AoE and quicker tab reset (but costs focus)

if the sf badge isnt more than SS

I'll prolly stick with my es stacks

[astral tendon]

After I get the 5% crit rate card set

[silent gull]

Is the SF mystic badge that only one that reduces blue tab CD or is one of the Virt ones being changed as well? For when the lightning buffs come

[astral tendon]

Blue tab cd is already there on sf badge

[honest haven]

oh yeah another thing, SF mystic makes ES regen focus during 4, so less focus strain ig

[astral tendon]

And no, virt won’t get it

[silent gull]

Ah, so I need the SF mystic badge. Thanks.

[sick bison]

🙏

the lack of real comparison is killing me

I need to know if I can dream of doing msp like a human being

[astral tendon]

I mean I do it like a real human being with puncture

You just need to 2 shot mobs with puncture

[sick bison]

I mean I do get levels, it just feels dogshit

especially after 65

[hearty ether]

they should make dt aoe at least 😔

[sick bison]

xp dropped from 600k/h to 450k

due to lvl difference

[winged reef]

Doesn’t it still require black dragon though

[astral tendon]

I think? In the gym can’t check

[winged reef]

Working on the irl gains?

Thought only neo gains mattered

[astral tendon]

Need irl gain as well

I need to survive longer so i can play more Neo

See working and gyming are all part of Neo

[odd dagger]

btw where is focus rec dummy

[astral tendon]

Gyming so you can live longer

Working so you can swipe more

No idea

Good thing i don’t need focus dummy to test puncture now

100% crit anyway

[odd dagger]

some node is fked up in route to eu

[astral tendon]

I also have spikes

Yesterday and today

[odd dagger]

its not bns ,its fked for every eu server games for me

not sureif HS is still max count

well looks like its still max count upto 200 ms

250ms i def saw speed drop

[sick bison]

then my 9ms can handle it

🐴

[odd dagger]

ya , u will have same hs count from 9 > 200

[sick bison]

just like DT

hard capped

and well, puncture these days as well

same counts on 9 and 50 ms at least

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[odd dagger]

DT aint capped

that is 2.5/s under 50

o

yea

Hs is more like gcd boosted than capped or anything

High ms is still slow hs during mini boost duration

Jst need that leggy slasher so I never need to mini boost

[astral tendon]

I’ll sell it for a low low fee of 200k

[odd dagger]

[sick bison]

What’s the role of breeze in purp HS builds

[astral tendon]

2nd hit of breeze max boost slasher

Even if it is not in the tool tip

[sick bison]

lol

so keeping it boosted is an issue on purp

[odd dagger]

u dont really need it anymore

[tawdry yacht]

any rr boost hs

[odd dagger]

you can jst keep doing this

[tawdry yacht]

but before sf usefull macro r r t r t t t

[sick bison]

tell us that HS dps denys, don't be shy

[twin lark]

Bruh, fck my luck

Now i do have full lighting build

[sick bison]

if only it had that much rate, would be great

[odd dagger]

dont need that much can do it with 60%~

when new patch comes , u wont even need falcon

jst flock

[sick bison]

I was more referring to the dps with the rate would be nice

focus is whatever with leggy anyway

[solar python]

Its crazy to me how bastardized this is compared to actual blade and soul just to milk some more money out of people

[spiral sky]

Ok guys, now im 100% seriously, today i will release full macro guide

Trust me

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[astral tendon]

I got take flight

Who ever dungeon with me, be careful now

The boss won’t land

[odd dagger]

id say the build can have bit more depth if u havemore money

like u could do E V 3sec bdr 4 E with leggy 4 for 6sec more bdr

then Q E at end for 5 sec more bdr

[hearty ether]

better than the purple breeze i got 😤

[odd dagger]

scale ripper

[solar python]

sure

but this build has no future, this combat system has no future

they are literally coding themselves into corners

playstyles are basically becoming 0 focus cost spam 1 button, at best hold down a macro

only real way to add stuff to the skills is to add things on top and that kind of design always leads to the gameplay becoming trash

[wooden rain]

ncsoft heard that players optimize the fun out of a game if given the chance

so they're racing players, who's the first to do it

[odd dagger]

rt

old combact was just as much macroable

people just didnt have as much easy access to stuff

[solar python]

sure but Neo is also much more friendly to macros because some of the rotations are just basically pure cancer

imagine playing puncture without macro

at least in og you could do fine without them

puncture without macro practically means you lose half your dps

[odd dagger]

thats just lightning

or earth sf

or kfm

[sick bison]

well

"fine"

meaning no dps

live was so bad people would xml edit the second they swapped to a new class

and then make a full macro for it

[odd dagger]

when people found macros the game basically became everyone used macros

[solar python]

again, with og, I mean actual blade and soul and not whatever came after like 2019/2020

[odd dagger]

then devs were forced to balance the game based on macro

2rf is og combo

[astral tendon]

you can always macro cos ani cancel was a thing from lv36 patch live

[sick bison]

well, whatever was before the xml time, or even before macro time, was only because people did not realize they could do it and not get banned

people always aim for max dps no matter what

[astral tendon]

And macro just do it better than human for majority of the class

[sick bison]

only time I've ever spent in bns without macros being the norm was 2012 on my FM killing blackwyrm

[astral tendon]

they release wl, mouse macro doesn’t work anymore, then ppl start to use ahk

[sick bison]

rt2 rt2 rt2 was riveting manual gameplay

[odd dagger]

i was manual earth sf until that ice sf pressed 1 button and beat my ass

[wooden rain]

Played bm and kfm manually just fine tyvm

Besides the dps checks weren't such bs for a longer time

[astral tendon]

Bm was actually fine, at least when I play during vt sk tt era

[wooden rain]

It was possible to have fun playing the game

[astral tendon]

Hold rmb doesn’t need macro

[sick bison]

well, technically dps checks aren't a thing in neo now either

aside from upper nexus last boss, who for some reason still has hard enrage

[wooden rain]

Yeah well it's too late now

The fun is removed

[sick bison]

that's the story of neo

everything they do is too late

first blue selectors, first purple selectors

enrage removal or changes

events, twitch drops, partner programs

[wooden rain]

Another thing that's too late in neo is its shutdown kekw

[sick bison]

marketing is still yet to come

[astral tendon]

Forget about twitch drop

[wooden rain]

Can we restart with a new version

[astral tendon]

Is disabled

[sick bison]

try to get through 1 event in neo without exploints challenge

imagine if neo was just remastered live with all classes, smh

that's what I thought it was before

instead we got the skillbook olympics

with 1 new class release per year, at this rate we'll get to play our old mains in 2050, if they were anything other than the starting classes

[wooden rain]

Nice joke

Who's gonna be playing this in 2026

I'm pretty sure basically everyone started neo cause they thought it'd be like live

A smarter version of me quit immediately when he found out about skill books, i thought we're getting greens at level 10 so 36 should be blue at least

And then 45 must be blue

[odd dagger]

I mean playing without macro is still fine,ill was manual puncture for a long time until wb rankings became basically impossible to win vs macro players who will hit the perfecttimings

u would get what 90% the dmg of macro if u still hit ur timings right,but macro is always gonna be better

skill book system was fine , its just how badly the distribution of it was handled.

[winged reef]

Lightning has no benefits to using macro except not having to press the buttons yourself

[wooden rain]

We've had this conversation many times before, I don't know why you feel the need to bring it up again

My opinion is set in stone, it's horrible and everyone who says otherwise is delusional or trying to compromise

[wooden rain]

Yea, that is generally what macros do

They press buttons for you

[winged reef]

Yea but when macro do something you can’t do as efficiently it’s different

[odd dagger]

last thing i would do is try to convince a wall anyway. i just stated my view.

[odd dagger]

you cant though

macro is always gonna be more efficient at pressing perfectly

you are never gonna be hitting exact 400ms delay everytime as human

[wooden rain]

I mean you don't need to

Just how you don't need to have 1 ms delay to get perfect counts

[honest haven]

like skill book implementation is really bad we all know it, but I would lie if I said skill books weren't the most exciting part of the game

skill book upgrades feel much better than gear

[wooden rain]

Gee i wonder if it's intentionally designed that way

[odd dagger]

dont waste ur time cali

[honest haven]

having something to work for that feels rewarding to get is the most important part of any game

the design is fine, the implementation is not

[odd dagger]

[wooden rain]

That is such a f*cking generic statement, what is its value

[odd dagger]

if we were getting purple books like how we are getting it in this patch back then

it would be soo much better

[honest haven]

I explained it already, the design of skill books being loot, tradable, modifying your skills the better ones you get, and even stacking them is fine as an idea to keep the grind for power.

The way they implement it, the way it's locked behind accessories and a hassle to test out new builds, the way some builds cant be played without X books that everyone else competes for which shoots up prices, is not great.

there are probably more positives / negatives but thats from the top of my head

[odd dagger]

And game obv needs a training room with free book selection to.

it would even help NC if people knew what were gonna get with a book change

[honest haven]

yeah like lost ark does that

its really nice

[wooden rain]

You clearly didn't because i don't see how it's arguing against what i said

[odd dagger]

this is why you dont argue against storm

[wooden rain]

If you read what started this you'd see he's only arguing the distribution

[odd dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-lc-sign-led-guy-gif-6267603258902077477

[wooden rain]

The moment you added something else you're not arguing the same thing

[honest haven]

well its fair I didnt explicitly give examples of the terms I use, but I felt like the terms were self explanatory

design vs implementation...

maybe idea is a better word

[wooden rain]

Let's ask gen z's best friend AI to help with that

Bdx style

The difference between design and implementation lies in their fundamental roles within a development process. Design refers to the creation of a plan or blueprint for a system, outlining its structure, functions, interfaces, and relationships between components.
It involves defining requirements, selecting technologies, organizing components, and establishing the overall architecture.
This phase is crucial for setting standards, minimizing errors, and ensuring the system meets its intended goals.

Implementation, on the other hand, is the process of translating the design into a tangible, working product.
It involves the actual construction of the system, such as writing code for software or fabricating components for hardware.
This phase focuses on building the system correctly, efficiently, and quickly on specific hardware and software platforms, using particular tools and languages.
Implementation activities include coding, testing, integration, performance assessment, and deployment.

[honest haven]

yeah thats exactly my point

the design is a rough outline

a structure of an idea

implementation is the product

[wooden rain]

Do you read english

[honest haven]

explain it

[wooden rain]

If this doesn't then i can't cuz it's worded better than whatever I'd spit out

[honest haven]

I didnt realize I was talking to chatgpt

maybe use your brain and explain what chatgpt told you

lets see if you understand english

[wooden rain]

Oh i have the idea, i just don't know how to convey it

[honest haven]

try

give me something

[wooden rain]

And honestly i don't know what's unclear up there

[spiral sky]

[odd dagger]

alr warned you

[honest haven]

x)

[spiral sky]

[odd dagger]

anyways , what do people mean by shroom inside

do they hunt for golden viper spawn?

[wooden rain]

The definition of design does not include how abstract it is, you're making the fundamental mistake assuming details are up to the implementation

Implementation quality is something entirely different as i see it, e.g. a poor implementation would be buggy

[honest haven]

the implementation of a design is what determines HOW it works, the design explains what something should contain

[wooden rain]

It would not change the function

[honest haven]

implementation is downstream from a design

its not that difficult to understand

[wooden rain]

"how" it works means how it's done behind the scenes, you could do 2+2 like any normal person would or you could do it in some crazy ass way like calling that same chatgpt to do it

It is not up to the implementation to decide any part of how things function, at least where i live

[valid cradle]

I'm guessing also for essences to get ascent stones and hongmoon essences

[odd dagger]

[wooden rain]

The design can be so strict that it basically tells you what methods exist and what each of them does down to damn near the code lines

As i said, definition of design does not include how abstract it is

And hell, all of this is a tangent anyway, you brought it up midway after already missing the initial point

[honest haven]

maybe we just work with different understandings of the terms but I feel like mine is correct.

A design is a skeleton of an idea you want to implement in this case in a game.
An implementation defines how that structure/skeleton works in practice. Implementing its functionality given a certain set of resources from the design, at least in terms of creating things for games which is the context of my words.

[wooden rain]

Chatgpt and the dictionary sure seem to stray from your correct understanding

But let's think about it practically

[honest haven]

Implementation, on the other hand, is the process of translating the design into a tangible, working product.

[wooden rain]

Do you think the actual developers doing the actual implementation, i.e. writing the code, get to decide how this sh*t works?

At ncsoft?

[honest haven]

why do you translate a design in to a working product?

I thought a design did everything already

according to your understanding of what chatgpt told you

[wooden rain]

Literally the next sentence in the chatgpt reply answers your question

[odd dagger]

for us does it matter if its design or implementation?

[honest haven]

its a rhetorical question, I understand it

[wooden rain]

It sure doesn't

[odd dagger]

yes so what are u on about

[honest haven]

maybe my sarcasm wasnt obvious

[wooden rain]

He's not letting it go is what I'm on about

[odd dagger]

you are the one whos not letting it go

[wooden rain]

I pointed him backwards twice now

[odd dagger]

or even bringing it up

[wooden rain]

Me?

[wooden rain]

Really?

[honest haven]

this guy is saying I'm wrong and refering to chatgpt without explaining what I say that conflicts with what chatgpt says, so I need to guess and every time I try to make him explain what chatgpt says he gets triggered

I guess I'm done with this

[wooden rain]

And now I'm also triggered

[odd dagger]

professionalrage baiter

[honest haven]

like nothing chatgpt said conflicts with how I defined my terms lol but he doesnt understand either me or chatgpt so who cares

[wooden rain]

Right

Sure I'm up for more

[spiral sky]

[wooden rain]

Why don't we take this statement you so kindly picked out

Keyword here is translating

[odd dagger]

use common sense to understand using context - ❌
bring chat gpt and literal meanings to win a pointless arguement -

[wooden rain]

the process of translating words or text from one language into another.
Constantine's translation of Arabic texts into Latin
2
formal
technical
the process of moving something from one place to another.
the translation of the relics of St. Thomas of Canterbury

According to google

[gilded thistle]

[wooden rain]

So this statement of the ai and you are on the same page?

[wooden rain]

I.e. it doesn't conflict all of this?

[vivid robin]

uhm

sounds to me like y'all just have different opinions

💀

[wooden rain]

If he used common sense he would've read the very first message i pointed him to 3 times instead of a pointless argument continuation, thanks

[spiral sky]

[vivid robin]

i've always liked the skill book system, it's just frustrating/unforgiving for new players & ppl who preferred live system

[wooden rain]

Yeah that's nice

[spiral sky]

Drop rate isn't

[vivid robin]

how come u r flooding my class channel tho, u quit the game didn't u

[wooden rain]

We all did

Time is an illusion

[vivid robin]

[wooden rain]

If you knew the channel lore you'd know this is exactly what it's about

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/vicks-vicks-is-online-vicks-online-vicks-is-vicks-is-sam-hyde-gif-27179819

[odd dagger]

ya its like few small changes away from being good but ncsoft wont do them ever

[spiral sky]

[wooden rain]

Few small changes that'd tank 90% of their profit

[odd dagger]

game woulda had 90% more players

[honest haven]

bro... just admit you don't know English at this point this is embarrassing 😂

[odd dagger]

if it had those small changes

[honest haven]

what are you 13 yrs old

[spiral sky]

Popular and wealthy economy > non existent one with whales

[wooden rain]

Which is not a lot

[vivid robin]

the skill book system is just how they make revenue, it's not awful, but their battlepasses & events were, it took several months for anything meaningful to come

and a lot of players already left so

[wooden rain]

Nothing i could say directly would convince you anyway so i just skipped straight to the more authoritative sources but you can take it the way you wish

[vivid robin]

but it seems like NC had their hands tied with a lot of decisions

[honest haven]

No it's me using words with meaning and him not understanding them, using chatgpt to debate for him and refusing to explain anything himself 😂

[vivid robin]

well i saw he had opinions on macros/systems in the game but that's all there is

[honest haven]

How would you know this when you haven't told me anything yet?! 😂

what is happening

[vivid robin]

there's no debate to be won on his side 😂

[wooden rain]

Experience

[honest haven]

I've literally asked you to explain things with your own words but you refused

[wooden rain]

I literally did after you asked me to though

[honest haven]

No you refered to chatgpt

[wooden rain]

No

I did that first

Then you asked, then i answered

[honest haven]

Ok, explain how my examples here conflict with their meanings

If I'm wrong I'd love to know but I feel like most people understand what I mean

[wooden rain]

Sure, let's break it down

[honest haven]

dont use chatgpt please

[honest timber]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-and-soul-bns-bns-neo-neo-sonic-x-shadow-gif-554318330386907119

[spiral sky]

Gemini incoming

[vivid robin]

are u not done

[honest haven]

it is what it is

[wooden rain]

1. I immediately pointed out you're not arguing against me with that whole thing because i was specifically arguing against skyrus regarding distribution being the only issue
2. I link the specific message I'm referring to
3. You ignore that, going into terms and bringing up the exact "design vs implementation" message yourself
4. I refer chatgpt design vs implementation since that's what you decided to go on with
5. We go on the same damn conversation we would have now if i tried to answer your question directly, as i already did exactly that

[vivid robin]

so you disagree with skyrus's comments about the skill book system, him saying how distribution is handled was bad

[wooden rain]

We don't need a mediator, thanks

[vivid robin]

yeah i know you have chatgpt for that

but i'd like my channel back

[wooden rain]

Please

You are a late joiner

You don't get to claim ownership

And if you could, that just means it goes back to being dead kekw

[winged reef]

Did you guys know

Lightning is buffed

[vivid robin]

yeah is that y i never see books on the market

theres 1 now actually

[spiral sky]

[odd dagger]

who gets red sword drop marker in asura

is it closest one ?

[spiral sky]

All this toxicity

And i got banned for posting a SS

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-energy-chat-i-am-very-uncomfortable-with-the-energy-weve-gif-21315986

[vivid robin]

i think there are more pressing matters in the world than nc's skill book distribution system

[honest haven]

Idk what you're talking about stormpooper, but our little interaction started because I gave my opinion on skillbooks, not replying or targeting you at all, but you made a snarky comment at me after that. Then I gave a short justification of my opinion, clarifying I meant the idea of skillbooks is fine but the way they implemented it wasn't great, and in turn you said it was a f*cking generic statement.

Then when I gladly expanded on what I meant by those words, you decided to go to chatgpt in a desperate attempt to attack the strict definitions of words I use instead of contending with what I said.

so

are we done or did I miss something

[vivid robin]

he's talking to chatgpt give him 5 mins

[wooden rain]

No i was on reddit, my second favourite place to start sh*tshows

[wooden rain]

What I'm talking about is an exact summary of the messages posted up above, you can scroll up and see for yourself

What you're talking about is your imagination, wanna read yourself or should i point it out?

[honest haven]

bro you're the one starting the argument with me and saying I tried to argue with you

what

[vivid robin]

[honest haven]

I just read from the start of my messages

thats why it took a while

[wooden rain]

Brother you jumped in replying to me as your first message when i was talking to skyrus

[honest haven]

I was trying to understand why you're so butthurt

[valid cradle]

Seems like its closest before the flamefrost orbs are spawned, not sure on exactly when it marks

[honest haven]

but it makes no sense

so I'll just write you off as mentally unwell or something idk

have a good night

[honest haven]

this is a fiction you made up in your head, which could explain why you were so triggered

I gave a neutral opinion on skillbooks not responding to anyone

[wooden rain]

If you need me to scroll up for you you could've just said so, i already made one summary

[spiral sky]

[honest haven]

nah I'm done

[hearty ether]

guys stop fighting and buy my books instead

[honest haven]

lets talk about leveling instead

I think the design of levels is fine as an idea, but the implementation in this game is kinda bad ngl

amirite

[hearty ether]

i loved OG bns' hm levels

but that might be nostalgia cope

[honest haven]

mm

[odd dagger]

id grind lvls if i didnt have to compete with 100 rats in msp

[honest haven]

I dont really see the difference tbh

hm lvls got harder and harder to get

made u stronger

tho they were blue so theres that

[odd dagger]

they shoulda kept dg spamming as a good source of exp

sinceits limited by hm pots anyway

[honest haven]

I think the biggest issue in this game that makes all my friends quit or go to priv servers is the nerfed mechanics

in dungeons

I dont think more xp would make the experience more enjoyable

[spiral sky]

Give me 1m xp charm

[honest haven]

I probably wouldnt spam them anyway

the most fun I had in neo so far was soloing poh

and barely doing it

oh and first time I killed junghado*

that was fun to overcome

before I knew parry was a thing

[spiral sky]

I still didn't found the fun

[wooden rain]

You should ask chatgpt for advice

[sick bison]

it just gets worse, without the lvl 70 zone your xp gained drops drastically with each lvl, while requirement increases, and so does the number of griefers

[spiral sky]

Thats your opinion or chatgpt one?

[honest haven]

theres a lvl 70 zone in kr or wut?

yea I haven't spent more than 5 min in msp since patch

[wooden rain]

It's my original joke that i took from bdx

[honest haven]

its kinda impossible to get a decent spot

[sick bison]

yeah idk why we didn't get the zone

spent 6 hours in MSP today

🐴

[odd dagger]

they should jst makeall the spots into 60 or sth

maybe keep 1 spot for 55

[honest haven]

my experience lvling alts, the lvl 50 area is kinda huge

[odd dagger]

or just increasethe exp b/w areas

the scaling is so big

57 to 60 is almost double

[honest haven]

but now that new characters get lvl 50 and full blue builds maybe its not that bad

[spiral sky]

Grinding levels is so 2000 rpgs

F that

[honest haven]

yeah give us 1M xp charms instead

unironically

[sick bison]

idk why Neo is so incredibly p2w with books

but won't sell us xp

do they not want money

[honest haven]

they're saving them for the lvl 80 grind

can't wait to get my legendary card from lvl 80 achievement

in 3 years

[sick bison]

just grind a casual 1 million xp per day everyday

and you'll do 79-80 in 450 days

my bad, 484 days*

[spiral sky]

I just hit 60 yesterday

[twin lark]

At least this one is selection, cause not once i've gotten puncture from rng ones

Not even a good one

[spiral sky]

I have a feeling that i will get punc,from the random one

[sick bison]

I got a cyclone

[spiral sky]

Just because i want to swap builds

[sick bison]

now that it's 1k

amazing

[honest haven]

I got the book I spent 14k on a month+ ago

now its 900

[wooden rain]

They basically did tho

They added the xp substat and made whales buy or roll second accessories for bs prices

[sick bison]

that is just a sad drop in the ocean

[odd dagger]

where this from

[spiral sky]

They sold time and will to grind too?

[sick bison]

imagine selling 100k xp charms that whales have to buy a gazillion of for 1 lvl at 70+

[wooden rain]

Yes, it's called pilots

[sick bison]

christmas bonus guaranteed

[honest haven]

not to start ww3 all over again but this has been really beneficial to me as f2p, it didn't really cost much at all just mats that I still have tons of

[spiral sky]

Pay some rando to play the game, what a contradiction state

[honest haven]

I doubt whales spent much on it tbh

[sick bison]

I rolled 210% with like 120g spent, lol

so agreed

[odd dagger]

itsrng

[wooden rain]

I can't say my memory is perfect or what actually sold but i remember seeing some wild numbers initially

[honest haven]

yeah I got around 200 earlier but scaled down after 60

[wooden rain]

Remember the thing about whales is having that sh*t day 1

[sick bison]

it just costs a ton of mats and some gold

so if you saved a ton of mats, it was cheap

[honest haven]

I probably used 1k+ mats for sure

[sick bison]

I restarted the game on steam release in fishbelly pub, so had free reign of skyhaven until merge

all demons all day

so mats galore

[honest haven]

o wait ur omni?

😄

[sick bison]

yes

xD

[winged reef]

Idk if I should get purple block at last or just get another purple TDS

[honest haven]

gigachad back to bm

[sick bison]

I found the light again

after being lost in the dark

[honest haven]

wasnt it bugged or smth

I still use blue parry

[winged reef]

Idk

[odd dagger]

warcry is bugged

[winged reef]

Think that was Warcry

Yea

[honest haven]

I heard parry also bugged

[winged reef]

Idk if it’s still bugged

Or what the bug was

[honest haven]

I think it was something about pulling you out of draw stance

but cant remember

[spiral sky]

Its purple books

Warcry and vortex/cyclones

Blue block doesn't have problems

[wooden rain]

Yeah parry is bugged, using it pulls you out of draw stance

[winged reef]

When you use violent blade?

[wooden rain]

That's a joke lads

[winged reef]

Never had issues with vortex

Yea draw stance I know it’s a joke

[honest haven]

like unironically I think the purple did this randomly

[twin lark]

BP

[winged reef]

Just thought it could be VB

[honest haven]

but I cant remember who reported it here

[wooden rain]

The random bug happened regardless of what you have equipped as far as i know

[odd dagger]

cant wait for that 30 selection chest for 360 lifesteal set

[wooden rain]

Of course it can have multiple causes but it's so rng how would you ever prove it

[winged reef]

Havent had the draw stance bug in a long time

0 since SF

[honest haven]

idk I think I remember some ppl here talking about dropping purple parry cuz of a bug

[winged reef]

Purple block would serve me no purpose other than having full shiny purple skills

On f3

[spiral sky]

Already tould

[wooden rain]

Same

[winged reef]

You don’t play

[honest haven]

hey, rule of cool is completely valid

[spiral sky]

Purple blocks its bugged for warcry and cyclone/vortex

[wooden rain]

Exactly

[spiral sky]

When it triggers autoblock stats

When you are blocking with 1

[thin smelt]

Where actually are you getting all of the portraits for these fuse attempts anyways? Lunar essence spamming?

[winged reef]

True but I could get another rmb stack for when skill patch drops

[spiral sky]

It shows cyclone/vortex but you can't use it

[winged reef]

Since I’m dropping multislash/soaring

[thin smelt]

I saved like 5k+ green portraits before sf patch and like 200 blues, and got 2 gubongs + a dupe jiwan to show for it from the pity box

[honest haven]

pity...

[wooden rain]

Plot twist another patch comes out nerfing lightning again, and we get those changes without a gap

[thin smelt]

I'm wondering if I'm just blissfully unaware of some avenue of acquisition here, like I don't even see anything you can spend $$ rn that could amount in many fuse attempts

[honest haven]

the scam boxes give purples ig

[odd dagger]

spin wheelfor purple

[thin smelt]

I bought all 20 hajoon boxes but that wasn't too many

[honest haven]

yeah whales usually spin

[thin smelt]

Moonwater essences?

[odd dagger]

ya

[honest haven]

yea, not sure if they're cheap still but I saw nanaya at the sajifi wheel earlier so they might be bought up

[odd dagger]

4.5dia each now

[thin smelt]

Ahh I see. Well he's EU anyways and I'm NA

[thin smelt]

Oh god.

[odd dagger]

if u bought them on wednesday as soon as exchange for moonwater hit u coulda grabbed a lot for under 2dia

[twin lark]

Do you know what would be nice? if purp skills also had succession

[honest haven]

my friend spend like 10k on essences few months ago and got a ton of legendaries, but he spent weeks just rolling kaari wheel

[thin smelt]

Mmmm. Rip. I need it for gold anyways

[honest haven]

these days it seems much harder to do essence rolling

[odd dagger]

i think its actually easier now

[thin smelt]

Prices are so cooked ever since patch with ssp

[odd dagger]

i got 2 kari from 140 essence

[honest haven]

sry, he spent 10k the first time he did it, and he profited almost as much with the skill books he crafted

[thin smelt]

My issue with essences is that you don't get broken crystals anymore

[honest haven]

are drop chances higher now? 😮

or just lucky

[odd dagger]

let me see the avg chance

[thin smelt]

It's frustrating that something which was formerly not an obstacle for players to obtain at all for months just abruptly get yoinked like that. It's such an anti-consumer thing to do

[honest haven]

yea idk what the future is for broken crystals, are we supposed to farm the plog / frostscale basin bosses for em or wut

luckily I have like 100 boxes and many 100s of materials still so I dont rly need em rn

[thin smelt]

That would be intolerable even for someone with bots it's so bad

I think they just want to create artificial difficulty with sourcing jewel powder

[odd dagger]

ya probably got lucky , 200 essence would be 1 purple 9 blues

[thin smelt]

To remove people's ability to get dragon express boxes daily

[odd dagger]

so 1k dia per purple

5k dia for a leggy try

[honest haven]

it used to be 1:500 before right? with kaari essence

[odd dagger]

yea its lower

now

but essence is rarer now to though

[odd dagger]

tbf i dont think it was that accessible if unlimited bots didnt exist

[winged reef]

I’d quit neo for sure

[winged reef]

Not a horrible bug

[thin smelt]

Yeah you're not wrong, though they're surely aware of that as well and instead of addressing anything in the players' best interest they just neglect that

It's fine if they don't want the essence wheels to be the source of them, but they need to allow you to get them through other means then. Like the chests from daily missions as an example

[spiral sky]

Yeah bud

You cant use ur lmb

As puncture

"Not a horrible bug"

[honest haven]

I think he meant for him

he was considering getting it

[winged reef]

I thought it was

It shows but doesn’t proc vortex and just breezes instead

If it disables your skill that sucks ye

[spiral sky]

It swap the icon

But can't be used

[winged reef]

I’m considering parry not warcry

I don’t think parry has that bug

[spiral sky]

Purple only

Blues doesn't have it

[winged reef]

Purple parry too?

Warcry trash anyway, might try Bladestrike again in the future

[spiral sky]

Yep

I mean you only use it for hmb anyway

Violet blade

[astral tendon]

i bought every mw essence cheaper than 4 for the past 3 days

[hearty ether]

i have 900 if u want them

[astral tendon]

anything below 4 ill buy

[odd dagger]

imo war cry is nice if u dont pvp since it regens ur hp, the bug it has is irrelevent anyway.

[winged reef]

Yea but you can also get hp from hmb and the parry is too good

[thin smelt]

oh sh... okay, yeah that makes sense lmao

are you just trying to complete the four guardians set?

[odd dagger]

how much dps should u do in exile to clear twisted lab now

[spiral sky]

Time to write and edit some images

[winged reef]

Lab is a joke now

[odd dagger]

take me then

[astral tendon]

I have a Jinsoyun and a Master Hong before the exchange

now i need to complete one of the Master Hong set

dont mind which one

[astral tendon]

if you have a stack team you kill fujin raijin before 2nd mech start

[sick bison]

did you fuse into hong or pity it?

[astral tendon]

i 1 tapped both

[astral tendon]

more rolls i gues

more rolls i guess

wish me luck

[spiral sky]

they dont want me to swap to lightning

[somber kiln]

when is this game shutting down again?

can we expidite it?

how many bound rando books we've gotten?

whatever the amount

i've gotten 3 blade calls

and trash for the rest too

[winged reef]

If you’re around when I do it sure

[astral tendon]

I got take flight lol

At least blade call is serviceable

You can stack it

TONS of DAMAGE

[odd dagger]

ping me when u run, dont wanna dissapoint randoms on my 1st try

[winged reef]

Sure

[spiral sky]

just need the gold now

for sf badges

[winged reef]

I need

Mystic badge fragments

Gonna have to buy outfits from f10 if the skill patch drops next week

[twin lark]

Are lab/ssg nerfed?

[odd dagger]

this trash bonus spawned when i had 1sec left

wonder how many years would it take to hit lv10 soul badge that 10% gives me nightmare

[winged reef]

Ssg no but lab phase 2 got nerfed

[twin lark]

Need lab daily but i think no one does it anymore

[somber kiln]

@twin lark you coming back?

[twin lark]

No

[vernal dust]

can i have your TDS ?

[astral tendon]

Did it today

Lab you don’t have to worry about cc bar now

Just cc when ever you feel like it

And it will be fine

[twin lark]

What cc bar? i haven't even done it once

I avoided it because it looked too long and boring

[silver moth]

lab got nerf to the underground

the aoe bar now fill up very slow, while reduce very fast

[twin lark]

Tbh i have no idea, never did that dung on LIVE

[spiral sky]

[twin lark]

NC dent head

Why add this dead dungeon to daily challenge?

[silver moth]

well, on live that dun don't have aoe bar mech

just dps and iframe

[odd dagger]

Can't u jst do any of purp mw dg

[twin lark]

Is that part of the dailies? i don't see it

[winged reef]

All moonwater purples and blues got merged into a single daily quest seperately

So just pick any purple to do for daily

most people do pigsty + bbr no blessings

[twin lark]

That's not part of today's dailies

I could also do nexus lower but i've never seen anyone posting that

Since patch

Well, fck it, no 3/3 today

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[buoyant jewel]

What's the req for that looking like?

[twin lark]

No idea

https://youtu.be/ztPlTp7GcDM

[silver moth]

Neo dev don't play game, so they don't do daily either

[odd dagger]

jst do fb jungado and talus dg?

[solar python]

the copium was too big, NCSlop is too focussed on milking their players

[honest haven]

are people expecting this soon? I thought at least a month

[winged reef]

Worst case October 14th

But since bds got their buffs from kr’s 20.08 patch and sins their gm stacks from the 27.08 patch I expect it this coming week hopefully

[dapper ember]

needing gold to upgrade badge? xD

[honest haven]

yea lol then I'll need to save up gold for my sacred badge roll 😅

[winged reef]

Gold is not the problem for me

I just need mystic fragments

[astral tendon]

Apparently our patch cycle is monthly

So we will get everything in kr now October

[valid cradle]

Theres no way were getting a skill patch before our battlepass expires

[astral tendon]

rumor tho

[valid cradle]

Everything except the new dungeon I would assume

[grave hawk]

where do you find that gold?

[winged reef]

It’s always been montly

But hopefully they sneak skill patches inbetween

[winged reef]

SSP and MSP

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/jacob-wysocki-big-bucks-over-here-rich-big-spender-dropout-gif-11828310707150637530

I'm gonna farm today, let's see how much i can make

My guess is 20

https://tenor.com/view/cocaine-drug-gif-12408899

SSP exploiters are now selling their gold

[winged reef]

I’m selling none of it. It’s all for leggy book bid

[twin lark]

How much do they go for?

[sick bison]

whatever the max amount of gold in the party is

1 went for 325g a few days ago

yesterday 1 went for 175g

would go for a thousand or 2 if the party is whaled up

[twin lark]

Secret bid is stupid, ppl overbid most of the time

[sick bison]

wouldn't matter much, people would just wait for last second for bids

[twin lark]

Wfym wouldn't matter? ofc it matters, you're giving away more gold than necessary

💀

MSP is cursed, can't find a spot

Man, fck them AOE btches

[winged reef]

You do know that the hourglasses get spent first right?

so you’re never using your free 30 mins

[sick bison]

it is literally the same system

unless people are willing to "show their cards" early, and guarantee loss

everyone would just wait as long as possible, then place all their bids last minute

[twin lark]

This is not true, i've tested it

You always spend the free 30 first

It's just like blessing

[twin lark]

Not true, cause ppl would bid what they think is enough to win and others will just wait without having to waste gold

[twin lark]

How do i know this? cause i use one hourglass i get 1 hour, spend 30 mins, get out and the next day i use another hour glass and now i have 1 hour 30 mins, meaning i'm always using the free 30 mins first

[valid cradle]

I can confirm that

[twin lark]

Made 8 gold in 40mins, sht is too crowded

They need to add chs

+i'm not AOE

Which is even more cancer

FMs and SUMs have it easier

[sick bison]

I think we are thinking about this in very different ways, you think that everyone is going to put down their gold amounts with enough time for the ones waiting to react and bid whatever is necessary to win, while I think that people would just wait until the last seconds and bid whatever amount they think will be enough to outbid the other waiters

leading them to still bid blind

[twin lark]

Maybe

[twin lark]

How to farm vir frags?

[spiral sky]

F5

Mystic

Normal badge you can buy outfits for 80 stones and salvage

Or wheels

[twin lark]

Which wheel?

[spiral sky]

Fieldbosses

[winged reef]

Silverfrost

You can also buy outfits from f10 to trade for powder which you can get chests with

I think it’s cheaper than buying a mystic badge

Unless the badge is really cheap

[spiral sky]

Mystic is only weeklies,bg and f10,f5

[twin lark]

Where is that merchant?

[spiral sky]

Wandering merchant

Around ssp

[twin lark]

Show the map

[honest haven]

it walks around the road surrounding ssp

iirc

[twin lark]

ok

This road?

[valid cradle]

Oh thats actually a decent source 🤔

[spiral sky]

Where's my daily dose of drama here today

[winged reef]

Skyze is a scammer he didnt do the macro guide

[spiral sky]

I have 2 options in my free time

Play the game or do the guide

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-sad-cute-puppy-wrong-on-so-many-levels-gif-14678357

[spiral sky]

Today...

Or tomorrow

Or someday

[astral tendon]

wdym drama

bm chat is a friendly place with no drama at all

[gilded thistle]

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/maria-rondo-of-blood-castle-vania-thumbs-up-leave-it-to-me-gif-16623380

[hidden pawn]

whgen do field bosses spawn in sf

[odd dagger]

70-100min after last death

[hidden pawn]

oh that long?

[twin lark]

Idk how ppl farm msp, that sht is plagued with fms and sums 24/7, i even went there at 5am and not a single spot empty

wasted 1 hour for nothing

[spiral sky]

[odd dagger]

ya i have no idea how people farm msp for anything

[spiral sky]

players

[winged reef]

I like xp and moneh

[spiral sky]

[honest timber]

wait until everyone is at monarch > farm camps for 5 min > profit

[spiral sky]

ted

[winged reef]

[honest timber]

I just go to 57 zone because it's better than nothing, but even there, many spots are taken

[winged reef]

The sun, the moon… what does it all even mean…

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-guy-falling-gif-26391457

[rapid jolt]

where is the focus dummy?

[spiral sky]

They don't parsers

[winged reef]

Zaiwei will add more dummies there might be one focus

While I eagerly await the patch I watch these yeti livestreams on the side https://www.youtube.com/live/UANvpJ0GuDA?si=9Vz5wM-xvBCgn8Di

[hearty ether]

he makes lightning look so fun to play

[dapper ember]

I can evolve these to play Lightning BM right? instead of evolving my current ones which are lower levels.

[spiral sky]

yes

[dapper ember]

alright thats cool

[somber kiln]

???? im sure this is wrong

it always uses the free one

for me at least

[winged reef]

Maybe they changed it or I saw it wrong. I remember people saying the same, but it was a while ago

[tribal shoal]

Is blue Stone Slash better than Purple Searing Slash? I don't actually know what "Heat" does

[twin lark]

Heat is for pierce build

[astral tendon]

[twin lark]

If you're not pierce build ignore it

[tribal shoal]

ok thank you

[astral tendon]

are we being serious here

or is this some kind of joke, just to difficult for me too understand

[twin lark]

?

[spiral sky]

vicks must be trolling

[astral tendon]

probably

[spiral sky]

right?

[hearty ether]

low quality troll

[spiral sky]

i mean

hes kinda old

[twin lark]

wdym?

heat isn't black dragon thingy?

[spiral sky]

[astral tendon]

please tell me you are trolling

[spiral sky]

hes not

[twin lark]

I'm not

[spiral sky]

[astral tendon]

heat gives 0.5 ap multiplier to dragontounge, sun stroke and koldark

[twin lark]

Oh well dt build, mb

i don't play that so idk

[astral tendon]

came from purple meteor strike or searing slash

[spiral sky]

[twin lark]

Who plays DT anyway?

low dmg build

[astral tendon]

Riven does

top 10 eu bm u know

[spiral sky]

tab stacking

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[astral tendon]

mostly either 9 or 10

[spiral sky]

if it was punc would be top2

because one is clearly TED

[twin lark]

Idk EU plebs

[astral tendon]

probably not top2

top 5 for sure

[hearty ether]

sadly the top 10 has all been either puncture or pierce recently

[astral tendon]

ok

can you piss off

[hearty ether]

which legendary cards do u still need haha

[astral tendon]

[winged reef]

Can’t remember the last time I did world boss

Maybe with the buffs and the extra stacks I could get close to top 10

But with Silverfrost everyone has super high gear so idk

[honest haven]

you havent missed much since they messed up the top 30 reward

[winged reef]

Isn’t top 30 only for the special boss

[honest haven]

dont think so but I've killed it twice and no super box

[winged reef]

I heard the top 30 is only for the special boss

But that is broken and he never spawns so

Same thing

[loud hinge]

God of rng smiled at me. Eventually

[astral tendon]

only got normal mushin twice

not really enough

[loud hinge]

At least, i have a good card set

Meanwhile rng is fussing everyone up. Especially @somber kiln

[somber kiln]

lmao

this game is not to be taken seriously

[spiral sky]

wheres the guide

F that guy

[winged reef]

Where’s the lightning guide

[spiral sky]

u dont need one

[winged reef]

I will make one with a clickbait thumbnail

[twin lark]

I think i'll replay this masterpiece
https://youtu.be/OOJHep3art4

[honest haven]

tfw you pity 60% chance...

[odd dagger]

F

I'm gonna Pity on +7

[twin lark]

I'm at +8 40% pity

[winged reef]

+9 30% pity

Luckily 1 tapped my mystic into +8

Just 2 more stages to go

[astral tendon]

I was lucky that I manage to buy a +10 mystic

8 or 9k can’t recall

[twin lark]

Just noticed something, personal loot on all new dungeons trash af

I thought we had the chance for a leggy drop

Or acc

We don't even have the chance for a purp skill drop wtf

[winged reef]

You can get leggy ss and leggy mantra stone

[twin lark]

Pity reward honestly

[odd dagger]

finally some peace in msp , 50mins with 130%

[green schooner]

Ayo gamers