Blade Master

[spiral sky]

I got nothing except disappointing

[loud hinge]

i feel you

that's why i gave up on my sword

[spiral sky]

Can't

[loud hinge]

5 taps reroll to get cd and 20 augments

[spiral sky]

In too deep

[loud hinge]

augment on siren was near max

i bought this scrap hex only 1k5

[loud hinge]

i gave up at where you are rn

be strong

get a scrap hex and reroll

you'll find peace and joy on doing reroll stats instead

[spiral sky]

Saving essences for SS

[loud hinge]

the leg ss?

[spiral sky]

Yep

[loud hinge]

too much

[spiral sky]

You still need to upgrade it

Someone said

[loud hinge]

yes we do

[spiral sky]

Thats the main focus

Accs can be replaced

When silver frost hit

[loud hinge]

according to korean datas

we can ascend accs

[spiral sky]

Yes

But at what cost

[loud hinge]

not cheap

i assume

[spiral sky]

Yep

Thats why in gonna min max on SS

After i get the f weapon

[loud hinge]

i gotta work on my insignias first

then badges

[spiral sky]

Look those crs juices

[loud hinge]

i'm going to burn a big amount of gold on cards when the cost reduction comes up

[spiral sky]

That's low cr tho

Saw a 17k onetime

[loud hinge]

this is wayyyy beyond my expectation

i don't expect i'll keep up that far

[spiral sky]

I would prime with block

At that point

[loud hinge]

i agree with Ted

if devs don't buff blue or purp book drop chance, the day i maxed out purp books is ......

[solar python]

kinda slacking only being level 71 while being such a big whale

[spiral sky]

Why he would haste his time grinding msp for xp

He clearly doesn't need the extra stats

[loud hinge]

i think they have pilots

[solar python]

100%

[spiral sky]

Where i get those

I need one in my livework

[loud hinge]

there's no way a normal person can grind xp that hard

[solar python]

that FM streamer was doing like a level and a half everyday, when silverfrost first came out and she never livestreamed any MSP while livestreaming 5+ hours everyday

[loud hinge]

if you're willing to pay, pilots are everywhere

[solar python]

extremely blatant piloting/account sharing

[spiral sky]

Payment is the fun to play o character that can do current content

[solar python]

I still don't think she is ever doing MSP in her streams

[spiral sky]

[spiral sky]

For now

[solar python]

her second FM is like 73 and her Summoner is almost 70

[loud hinge]

running around spot to spot in msp is not the smart way to enjoy content

[solar python]

never streamed MSP afaik

[loud hinge]

[solar python]

I mean it might as well just be bots

her giga FMs are basically 2 shotting mobs in msp

[loud hinge]

if i was a whale, i'll pay pilots for exp

[spiral sky]

That's why im sitting on 20+ hourglass on bank

[loud hinge]

grinding xp is the pain in b*tts

[solar python]

MSP was great when it was released

but making it a core part of gameplay extremely stupid

there is only a very short while where you can do msp efficiently and its challenging afterwards its just grind simulator

might as well be playing farming sim

MSP should be like a weekend thing, with even more boosted exp

[loud hinge]

main quest is capped. that's why we have to grind for xp

[solar python]

yeah but they could have just made hongmoon levels like china

which is objectively the better play

[loud hinge]

back in the day when i played Live. Level will be maxed out once you finished main quest line

[solar python]

as it should be

this levelling system is the most backwards stuff you could imagine

I'd be surprised if they made a poll if more that 5% hold a neutral or a favorable opinion toward it

[loud hinge]

i used to be a pilot for a korean gaming company to grind Lineage I back in 2009

this msp map reminds me those days

gameplay was horrible but somehow the in-game items were so valuable

i assumed our team looted 2 extremely valuable items on that night. On next day, the director feast us a fancy dinner + chicks

[honest haven]

https://i.imgur.com/YXOzTi2.png

thanks msp trash mob

[somber kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-wazowski-mike-pog-pog-gif-154717314566640477

[honest timber]

gz

[twin lark]

I never understood paying others to play for you

If you don't have time to play, just play some offline game

[honest haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-1537314629992152141

[astral tendon]

Sounds familiar

I’m sure is some NA ppl who said that back in the day

[spiral sky]

Almost every high wb rank in na active here quitted

[astral tendon]

I thought NA is thriving

Someone told me every fm in wb ranking have leg ice rain

Maybe not bm cos leg dt is dog 💩, but I expect everyone have at least 50 stacks puncture

[spiral sky]

Copium

99%

Is around 20/24

[astral tendon]

That’s eu standard

[spiral sky]

The 2 freebies purple

And rest blue

I know one bm full stacked

Nyan

Na market is so dead

[astral tendon]

guess there is no hope

[loud hinge]

whales might enjoy contents but grinding xp ......

[spiral sky]

Grind xp for me vicks

[astral tendon]

I enjoyed all the content, now is time to afk til shadowmoor

[twin lark]

Ngl i have more fun in msp than dungeons

[spiral sky]

whats wrong with u

[twin lark]

I like the grind

[spiral sky]

he got unbanned

new reformuled boi

[twin lark]

Always liked the grind, in fact i wish they remove blessing so i can run dungeons all day long

Best time on LIVE was 24/7 TC HM

[winged reef]

TC?

[twin lark]

The fox boss

Such a fun mech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYK5g8J-IAM&pp=ygUhYmxhZGUgYW5kIHNvdWwgdGhyb25icmFrZXIgY2F2ZXJu

Then they added demonsbane dungeons and game got ruined

This was the last legit dungeon

[spiral sky]

well theres mech and stuffs to do back in good old days

now it just a dummy with new skins every dg

[twin lark]

^

[winged reef]

This is that one near Brightstone Ruins right

[spiral sky]

no

a new map

it was close to the 4 raid

[winged reef]

2 big bois at the same time

[loud hinge]

Look at those black wings. I miss soul burn

[twin lark]

That dungeon was so good

You need actual skills

[winged reef]

It was in Brightstone yea xd

[twin lark]

Wtf just noticed he's clicking on skills he's playing on normal instead of bns mode

[loud hinge]

Covered most of the mech in 3rd TT raid ride the laser, ride the bombs, block 2 different directions of missiles

[loud hinge]

How can we do that as melee?

[twin lark]

Why would you?

That's insane

[loud hinge]

I would if my skill could reach that level

To see how it feels like

And i don’t think i could

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-8546000590341470493

[spiral sky]

his macro doesnt accept more inputs

[twin lark]

lmao

Watching this made me realize how stupid our dungeons are

There's isn't even a correct CC mech, you can use whatever

[spiral sky]

i was playing as wl at that time

was so much faun bait for that doll dg

and do airtiming to save the pleb who got trapped

wl 3 spec was so good on release

[winged reef]

Shadowmoor guide (early access pov), too easy

[twin lark]

Rename this to Blade & Soulless

[main inlet]

Bait & Switch

[spiral sky]

you clearly didnt kill

boss just evaded to another dimension

[wooden rain]

Simple mode wasn't there from the start and the game was not designed for macros from the start, i.e. back when og bns was created

And hell the current devs aren't "designing" this game at all kekw

They're designing the monetisation and whatever else happens isn't their problem

[upbeat fossil]

in a hypothetical world, where this monetization design works and ncsoft regains their peak stock values, what are the odds they would shift focus to actual fun gameplay instead of more desperate monetization

[honest haven]

I did a couple hours of map yday and got a shitload of gold and 55% of lvl 60

Msp*

Didn’t know it was that profitable

Do I need 43k on tree for shadowmoor???

[sage tulip]

no

actually

maybe

tree is lvl 56, mookwan is 60

[honest haven]

Well this 2 random purple event sure will help me get there

[sage tulip]

38k dps per player if you got no bleed in party

[honest haven]

With bleed?

My kfm buddy has the perma bleed

[sage tulip]

32-33k or so

[spiral sky]

That translate around 43k on tree

[sullen raven]

could anyone suggest razer Puncture macro please ? (screen shot pref)
(about 25-35ms)

[spiral sky]

Don't use synapse

Is ass

[sullen raven]

i know its not the best, but its what i got atm 😄

[spiral sky]

Ahk,xmouse

Theres alot options better

Wen "wts quick weekly bt run"

?

[wind heron]

why blade storm not available to click in draw stance

gib some qol

[sage tulip]

yeah i meant 38k on lvl 60 boss, my bad

and 33kish or so if you have bleed in party

idk if this is outdated by now or not

[winged reef]

Maybe 80 is max then

Only a few years of grinding misty woods faction to get there easy

[rain horizon]

lv 70 looks doable day 1

76 day 2

[valid cradle]

The scaling on those levels 💀

[rain horizon]

400k exp 1/2h

800k exp a hour

1100h for lv80

[valid cradle]

Peak content

Hope theyll do a first to 80 event

[rain horizon]

but exp gain will look dif

[spiral sky]

Game already closed until there

[valid cradle]

msp probably stops giving exp by day 2

[spiral sky]

The guy is hard

It will give less and less xp

Because dif lvl from mobs to you

[valid cradle]

Yeah not sure how that works

[sage tulip]

great content btw

farming trash mobs

[solar python]

you will farm trash mobs for eternity and you will like it

[gilded thistle]

[sage tulip]

imagine having raids that are fun and already made

and you decide to scratch that

and release mindless trash grind

[spiral sky]

Only china is allowed to have fun

[solar python]

you can't really compare china to other regions

their potential playerbase is several times what any other region is

26 channels in china when EU had like 13-15 at the high point sound absolutely terrible in terms of scale considering just how big china is

[spiral sky]

Its not about playerbase

Its totally a different game

Way better btw

[winged reef]

Me every time I log in

[loud hinge]

If i want to use ductile stone on alt toons for true upgrade. I have to seal the item back and forth, right?

[spiral sky]

[valid cradle]

Youll want to have enough to hit the pity though

[somber kiln]

i also think it wipes the prog on it

if you're gonna pity anyway

[spiral sky]

It don't

I can recall a few itens on f5

With progress on it

[valid cradle]

It may work differently at different stages

[loud hinge]

Nvm then

[valid cradle]

Someone ingame said that legendary awakened lost progress when sealed

[loud hinge]

That sounds stupid

[valid cradle]

Yeah

Havent seen a legendary awakened item with any progress on the market

(Also havent looked for one lol)

[honest haven]

any1 got that dps requirement spreadsheet?

[valid cradle]

Scroll up to 90 minutes ago

[loud hinge]

Either the progress still there or gone. It is still a stupid plan. Even if your toon can craft charms

[honest haven]

yeah but like a link cuz idk what the numbers mean

[valid cradle]

4/6 player
Name
HP
Enrage timer
Party dps (with bleed)
Per person dps (with bleed)

[spiral sky]

Wait for naksum

[somber kiln]

Lmao

So KR is still spamming meadow for the 75 grind?

Hmmm

Seems like some huge diminishing returns

[solar python]

I heard somewhere they get full exp in msp even at 75

[somber kiln]

That would be great

But

Still needs a push

Since its double the xp kinda

Wonder if theyll give us better multipliers

Im only 160%

[solar python]

Saehatv was consistently getting very similar exp per day up to 75

but that is just my random estimations tuning into her stream

its also funny that they say

that its uncapped levelling

when its practically capped at 76 or 77

[somber kiln]

Yeah
I dont think even sf bosses require pass 65 do they?

Whats nexus boss like

[solar python]

Naksun is 67

[somber kiln]

Oml

[solar python]

I think the sundered nexus bosses are also 67

both wings

[somber kiln]

Gah damn

[solar python]

so you want like level 70 in the month after silverfrost comes out

[somber kiln]

😭

[solar python]

because sundered nexus is likely coming a month after silverfrost

naksun probably gonna be out on release

of sf

[somber kiln]

At least i’ll have a break from leveling this week
I can hit 60 before Tuesday

Well a month it seems

[solar python]

if you are really efficient with grinding level 70 takes like 70 hourglasses

level 70 honestly not that terrible but practically probably impossible for most people by the time sundered nexus releases

and naksun on release is perfect whale bait thats probably definitely gonna be in from the start

oh and that 70 hourglasses assumes you have full 10% everywhere

so double that for the average player

[somber kiln]

Yeah

I get around 8% mainly bc people steal a lot

Cant hold one spot for too long

The real whale bait would be when they release rankings

[solar python]

if you buy no hourglasses its gonna take probably 2.5 months after release to get to 70

[somber kiln]

Monarxh contribution def needs to be less

Bc people gonna get stronger and stronger

Boss gonna die in a minute

[solar python]

tough luck peasant boy
-NCSoft

[somber kiln]

Smh

I can make contributions at 70% and above but

Damn

Its so close

[rain horizon]

isnt it only 1%

[somber kiln]

1% with a boss rhat has higher defense, evades as well

And when a lot of people are there
The lag is crazy

[rain horizon]

but everyone has it

[solar python]

hitting boss for 3 minutes the dps check for loot is like 25k

[rain horizon]

i dont mean lags

area doesnt lag at all

[somber kiln]

….

[rain horizon]

4,5kk dmg i think

[somber kiln]

Yup

[rain horizon]

turn off characters

[solar python]

and boss is gonna die in like a minute after a while in silverfrost

[somber kiln]

I remember there were people airing the boss whenever they could

[solar python]

so you are gonna have to do like 75k dps

[somber kiln]

Exactly
They should make hourglasses a drop in some dungeons if thats the case

Or let trash mobs in there drop it too

[solar python]

people are not even gonna be able to get in before its dead

monarch is gonna become blazing demon

practically

[somber kiln]

Yeah the loading screens are abyssmal in this game

[rain horizon]

on demon u can atleast remove the players

[somber kiln]

Oh brother

[rain horizon]

but monarch is always 50 max iirc

[solar python]

sure but the degens are just gonna camp the monarch spawn and then nobody except them can get it

its basically gonna be world boss alliances in wow from 16 years ago

[rain horizon]

i dont know if thats worth it

[somber kiln]

And theres no point for them to do it since the only other contribution point is last hit

But you know those degens dont care frfr

[rain horizon]

whats the goal though

stack time?

[somber kiln]

Just to secure their contributions

[solar python]

hogging loot

[somber kiln]

And the blazing demon hog is so lame

I went there a night and couldn’t even get close

All the fms just gank you

[solar python]

blazing demon doesn't really drop crazy loot either, its just compared to the rest of the game the loot is god tier which is hilarious to me

[rain horizon]

demon has 10 20 40 80% dmg loot

[somber kiln]

Yeah
Degens will be degens
Ion complaining tho, its not locking me out of anything

Just stupid that they do it

[solar python]

its basic gacha mechanics tbh, make content and the peak of that content you can only get by spending crazy

gacha 101 if you will

[somber kiln]

Lmao

[solar python]

the worst part is that they implement it in the worst way possible

they use all the predatory stuff

and none of the stuff that actually tricks the players

[rain horizon]

it doesnt even have any competitive ladders

[solar python]

no ladders is the most stupid thing honestly

[rain horizon]

its like p2wning in genshin

doesnt give u anything

[solar python]

ladders is also one of the things that makes whales spend more but they just disabled it

its not like they can't do ladders

legit worldboss ladders for dps

easiest whale bait ever

give the highest dps on each class 500 gems every week

whales would go nuts over that

[rain horizon]

i think whales wouldnt care about 3digit gems a week👀

[solar python]

its not gems

[rain horizon]

but more ladders would add up

[solar python]

its the fact that you get a reward

any reward

[rain horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

trueee

[solar python]

this game just is not rewarding

the loot is trash

like for 99% of people

[rain horizon]

only rewarding thing would have been demon for me

[solar python]

the fact that there is not hammers in the game so you can make mantra 3 slots for example, baffling

basically just take the gem hammers from old blade and soul

make it mantra hammer

put it in the shop for 5k gems

[rain horizon]

maybe first 2 weeks after wb table was fixed i was getting mad gems on my sin being r1

when wepns went for 90-150k

outfits 60

good times 🥹

[rain horizon]

or make mantra rerollable with 1 mantra stones

instead of having to trash 3 of em

[solar python]

yeah and then people realised the game is trash

[solar python]

I think that is a thing in KR but not like they give a sh*t about actively developing the global version to try and fix their past mistakes

Neo would actually be really popular in my opinion if the entire skill book system had one tier removed

where purple books would be what legendary book are now

buy blue books with valor stones

and then legendary books were what the skill books were in the past

just a bonus to a certain skill

[spiral sky]

It was so simple

Old back game with better graphics, alot skins to milk whales, a propper batlepass done

China is doing that

They have 3 servers with different systems

Life,neo,classic

@winged reef

[fickle loom]

Live, NEO (CN Version), NEO (KR Version)

[winged reef]

Yea now bring this over to us

That’s what I thought Neo was going to be like, the classic experience

[sage tulip]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01HY1GMAZ8000396FKBWMCCTYW/4x.avif

[winged reef]

They have 36s cd on blade call and it also reduces 4 cd

They know what’s up

[somber kiln]

how a legendary dungeon giving me all greens bro o;

[solar python]

I'd honestly rather sometimes get no loot if that avoids having loot be sub 1%

the loot is just terrible

most people stay in a game based on the loot they get and how far that lets them progress their character to what is considered Best in Slot

but in Neo getting a piece that you just insta equip is practically 1 in a million

[fallow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[somber kiln]

so uh

[solar python]

yes

[somber kiln]

searing slash is actually 8-ish/9secs of def down?

the 15%

bc it ticks 3 times

refreshing the def down 3s

[honest haven]

Dude I swear I must’ve fused 3 wintermane cards what is this

Is one podan too much to ask

[solar python]

asking for anything in this game is too much

[winged reef]

Juju has become the new Stormpooper

[sage tulip]

[spiral sky]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-6564373007119861775

[twin lark]

https://youtu.be/KwdeR3v4pfo

let me delete that comment, before i get banned again

[wooden rain]

doom is eternal

one is all, all is one

and whatever other fancy nonsense fits here

you'll become doomer too with time

[twin lark]

Can't believe they didn't modify raid's mech

[spiral sky]

at least they didnt removed

[twin lark]

I hope they add the aggro system back, if they don't want raids to be a switching threat festival

[spiral sky]

they will give a better pill

mark my words

[grave hawk]

thats so stupid

why should only the tank need to waste mats to help the pt

[spiral sky]

just ask for pt trade some mats

ohhh wait

[grave hawk]

tank tax

[winged reef]

If only every run had this much loot

[twin lark]

And blue books

That would fix market

Puncture is already dropping a lot anyway but not enough books

[astral tendon]

thx to who ever decide to pay

was there for like a week

[gilded thistle]

[twin lark]

I wouldn't pay more than 5k tbh

[winged reef]

[somber kiln]

Same tbh

[vivid robin]

i hate u, literally sitting on a stack of dt books too

[somber kiln]

whales will be whales

[twin lark]

is it ok to sacrifice 34 cd for 100 cr?

[vivid robin]

imo it depends on your current critrate, i'd say no, but you won't really see any difference, too small a number

[twin lark]

current

and after

[fickle salmon]

cr should be better

[twin lark]

losing 100 accu though

[fickle salmon]

as long as you still hit its ok? how much do you have, you can get alot from top acces psyche

[twin lark]

1312

[fickle salmon]

thats not too bad for bsh, normaly you have enough for everything with the psyches and badge, also you get some with levels if you still have some to grind

so there should be no need for acc on soulshield (cr/cd can be higher than acc there)

[twin lark]

Bsh? lol

[grizzled gale]

Surely thats enough for next patch

[fickle salmon]

i heard its like 2200 for mookwan lol

[grizzled gale]

Thats 1k more than what I have

[twin lark]

What happened to crits can't miss?

[grizzled gale]

You think you're gonna crit at 60

[fickle salmon]

well at 50% cr ur dps still gets chopped in half

[twin lark]

That's not what i meant. Forget about future dungeons, i'm talking about tree

If you get a higher crit rate, then what's the purpose of accuracy? since crits can't fail

[grizzled gale]

You dont need high acc for tree

[twin lark]

I mean, it's kinda impossible to have high cr and high accu

[grizzled gale]

I don't miss at 60 with similar acc as yours

[twin lark]

I don't miss either

And i'm 59

[grizzled gale]

Its irrelevant unless you wanna grind msp

[twin lark]

Didn't miss at 58 either

https://tenor.com/view/mind-over-matter-facebook-fitness-memes-viral-workout-gif-14382358

[fickle salmon]

dont worrie about that, with 2100acc at lvl 60 i still miss.. not missing in dungeon is all that matters

[grizzled gale]

2.1k

Is mookwan 58 or 60

[fickle salmon]

60

[grizzled gale]

Time to retire

[twin lark]

I don't even care about new dungeons anymore, every new dungeon can be cleared after 4-5 months cause the way they keep increasing the dps check and that's insane + no actual mechs that hurt the boss

so it's like

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814

This is the remake we deserved
https://youtu.be/v1JN3xH9pIs

[grizzled gale]

Dps check isnt that high tbh its just the levels and the way puncture works just makes it cancer to reach without overgearing it

[twin lark]

Guess the only way to be ready is gm 60

[fickle salmon]

i mean in silverfrost the dungeons have less dps req than mookwan and sht thats good atleast

[twin lark]

But i'm not stupid enough to swipe so

[grave hawk]

You can run most the levels just take endless

[twin lark]

https://youtu.be/ZmS7Vq3ZDRw

[wind heron]

Do we recieive what kr receive usualy?

Is the game better there or same sht

[twin lark]

We get what KR gets but worse

[wind heron]

I just decide to stop playing this game

[silver moth]

Same sht

[wooden rain]

We get more bugs and slower fixes

[wind heron]

Im rather new about a month ago but its a chore

[wooden rain]

And no profit on things that are released for kr first and adjusted for the worse later

[fickle salmon]

thats not true, in the new f10 event they got 2 hm essence and 1 hourglass back then, we get 3 essence and 2 hourglass

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/jacob-wysocki-big-bucks-over-here-rich-big-spender-dropout-gif-11828310707150637530

[twin lark]

Dw, everyone here are coming from the real version of the game launched in 2016, so we already knew what we were dealing with. But for a new player this game is a waste of time 100% and it will continue to be that way for years

[wooden rain]

If neo lasts for years

[grizzled gale]

I never played bns prior to neo tbh

Only reason I even knew about the release is because I play lost ark and some streamers were mentioning it

[last void]

🫵

[random flame]

I play because of fresh start but kinda disappointed with how things are in neo.

[wooden rain]

We thought we knew what we're in for but we didn't

If it was just a 1:1 rerelease, schedule and everything, it would have been fine

[gilded thistle]

It's what we got so not much we can do

[wooden rain]

But this is the 100th rerun of this convo

[gilded thistle]

Try 1000

[wooden rain]

Yeah, you're forced to support it and give them 10x AAA game money, no choice

[gilded thistle]

You can choose not to give them money but not sure how far you can progress that way. Unless you get turbo lucky

[honest haven]

The issue for me is more that all of a sudden your hard worked f2p build lost 80% of its value because meta shift and now you’re stuck with a wasted purple selector and books for a build with no future prospects.

At least I’ll get another anklebiter next week

[fickle loom]

We had a clan member that was 100% f2p and he ended up quitting with like 1k+ euros made from the game but he was also turbo lucky and playing the market

if you don’t get lucky with books for your build or overall expensive books you’re just kinda shafted

it’s been said 100s of times but NEO is genuinely more money hungry than most gacha games

[honest haven]

The best purple I got after opening like 15-20 in total was electric saber, which is what made me stick with hybrid over puncture with my selector

🫠

As long as I can do shadowmoor it’s whatever ig

[astral tendon]

problem is idk how many hybird can meet the shadowmoor dps requirement

[fallow wind]

stop the hate on hybrid

its enough already

we got it

puncture is 2000x better

[astral tendon]

37k without bleed i think? pretty sure you need like 45k hold on tree for that

probably like 32k with bleed or something

[valid cradle]

38k without, 33k with

[astral tendon]

3 hybird in total deal 45k+ on tree on azura

[valid cradle]

There's a bunch of classes with like less than 5 total

[astral tendon]

meanwhile 12 punctures deal 45k +

there is also 1 pirece

lol

[gilded thistle]

Soon two trust

Or HS I haven't decided yet

[winged reef]

Shadowmoor is like 4m lab before, stupid high dps requirement

Better aim for Lab instead

Then grind Asura for the same loot

[astral tendon]

all i heard was it is easier than lab

and quicker, like ultra fast full whale lab team is around 20 mins

normally is 25mins without wipe, 30-35 with a few wipes, and 40 to whatever time above if unfortunate enough

[winged reef]

It’s definitely shorter in length, lab has always been long and I think Neo’s is one floor shorter since no Be Ido but you need even better gear

[last void]

Shadowmoor is still your way to go for soulshields , asura has more books/upg mats

[astral tendon]

think shadowmoor has the highest ss drop rate even for silverforst.

[last void]

For soulshields ye

[astral tendon]

and is still bis before silverfrost leg ss.

the same as silverfrost purple i think

[winged reef]

Yea but those drop rates are a scam

[last void]

Isn't windshock still bis ? 🤔

[winged reef]

With Silverfrost Shadowmoor will be a breeze anyway

[astral tendon]

well for now yeah

will eventually be replaced

[solar python]

you'd be surprised

[last void]

Ye but in KR it's still bis isn't it

[solar python]

shadowmoor is still 4 man in KR and its still quite hard to do dps wise

outside of people that are already 65+

[winged reef]

I don’t see how it can be hard if you’re at least lvl 63 with 1300-1400ap

Which probably won’t take long

[solar python]

idk about that

[astral tendon]

uh

[solar python]

even if you have full +10 purple gear

[astral tendon]

yeah wind shock is still bis

[solar python]

thats only like 340 ap

[astral tendon]

this thing does not drop yet

[solar python]

compared to full true legendary gear from moonwater

[winged reef]

And that’s a lot of damage specially with the level difference

[solar python]

level difference does not kick in until you are like +5 or +6

[astral tendon]

silverforst purple drop blue ss, which is better than bloodshade

[solar python]

honestly surprising that that soul shield is not purple from asura

its not like sundered nexus is dropping a purple soul shield either

[winged reef]

Silverfrost blue ss is the same as bloodshade but the minimum is higher

And it’s blue so you can’t reroll

[solar python]

blue sf ss is like 20% more stats

maxxed out

compared to bsh ss

[astral tendon]

yast said is a bit better

[last void]

They have the same stats so guessing the new one isn't accurate ?

[astral tendon]

probably

because is not in the game yet

[last void]

Aights

[solar python]

I'd be surprised if they replace Windshock already unless you can just upgrade it to the new ones with ascent stones

[winged reef]

Slightly better but not worth replacing BSH ss

[astral tendon]

windshock is probably bis til silverfrost leg

[winged reef]

With all my primers and psyches

It’s just for new players

[solar python]

Soul shield is just such a huge investment of materials

[astral tendon]

depends on when the purple will be released

if they release purple soon then maybe no point

[winged reef]

Somehow even all my 5-8 ss have cdmg psyche rolls

[astral tendon]

or just go for windshock

[solar python]

considering sundered nexus does not have a purple and that is the silverfrost bsh, I don't think there will be a purple ss from silverfrost

[astral tendon]

what im gonna do next month

[winged reef]

KR’s next dungeon should be Yeti

That might add juicy drops

[solar python]

Yeti had an iconic soul shield imo, so maybe purple but I doubt it tbh

[last void]

When the reality of ppl legit recruiting 1k + for yeti sinks in 🤣

"Why are they recruiting 1k+ for a 300 ap dungeon wtf"

-yeti becomes a 1k+ dungeon-

They knew

The effin knew

[winged reef]

My guess for the next legendary dung would be Naryu Sanctum or Cathedra Cliffs but their pick for TSM came out of nowhere

[last void]

F doing sanctum

I could never figure out if the bloody thing was looking at me or not

🤣

[winged reef]

I don’t remember the mech anymore

Just remember it was super easy we just had to stand at a specific distance

Tho KR did it differently than us and TW iirc

[last void]

The statue would either look at the tank or the furthest target and you had to turn away or smtn otherwise flashbang

I could never figure out which face would be the one "looking at me"

[winged reef]

The flashbang would be after kd

The target would have to go into one of the circles and the rest into the other

[last void]

When was the looking thing 🤔

[winged reef]

I think maybe tank would be the closest, the rest at 16m and the furthest would always be the chosen one

Maybe that was sort of a cheese idk

[last void]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged reef]

Been too long

[gilded thistle]

[honest haven]

That’s where you come in

I’ll lvl today and see but I’ll probably be a bit below yeah, I have a cracked wind kfm to help me a bit at least

[rain horizon]

so shadowmoor 2man is like 76k dps each without bleed

and maybe 65k with bleeds

[last void]

Yeah , that's what I'm aiming for. 2 man 🤣

[rain horizon]

u gotta share legy books with ur brother

[last void]

I can't share if I don't have any to begin with 🤣

YOU SHARE

YOU HAVE 3

[sage tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-gambling-slots-gamblecore-gif-14298142121732933671

[gilded thistle]

Why we watching the same reels

[sage tulip]

[winged reef]

I’ve see people 2m Ken quite fast

Probably the quickest farm you can do

[gilded thistle]

On level 60?

[winged reef]

I don’t remember their level, like 64 and the other 67 I think

[gilded thistle]

Well at those levels surely it's doable if stacked

[winged reef]

Well the bosses there are lvl 58, barely harder than tree

[somber kiln]

I was gassing up the hella good drops and rates from tsm

But theres always a catch to it

I only do 33k on tree as pure fire at 59 lol

Unfortunate for getting hopes up but oh well, we continue to chop tree

[grave hawk]

Chop chop

Remember could be worse

You could play lightning

[fickle loom]

you shall return to the tree gulag until dps improves

[somber kiln]

At this point they’re just blatantly pushing for the whales to keep whaling

Like live was working just fine before they introduced demonsbane

Whats so hard to replicate

[last void]

🤨

Live was working fine before they implemented the soul

Don't even know what the hell demonsbane is

[somber kiln]

Demonsbane itself was a fun concept
But they switched how evolving gear was with it

[sage tulip]

whats ur gear looking like?

[winged reef]

Soul didn’t gatekeep you from anything

Just gave you big numbers on burst

[somber kiln]

You could have actually rolled back your gear if you were unlucky

Like you had a chance to go from +5 to +4

That was the most brain dead thing ever

And the playerbase basically died from there

[winged reef]

That’s not how it works now

It can fail to upgrade but you won’t go down

[somber kiln]

No
Im talking bout when it all started

[winged reef]

Yea sounds bad I didn’t play then

[somber kiln]

Now you get +20 levels for about 6 accessories? And you get less than 5% chance at 10+

Less than 1% at 13-15+

the game is just too grindy

And theres so many gear pieces to level

[last void]

Soul became a part of what you needed to upgrade , it broke BGs at the same time

[somber kiln]

3 rows of gear to level at +20
Insignias, ss, relics, portraits, that astral thing

[astral tendon]

kr/cn loves downgrade and gear boom

at least is not maplestory

your item vanished after failing enhancement

imagine timestream can boom

[somber kiln]

Live is actually superior in gameplay
But the systems are complete dog water

[last void]

Like doing VT without having soul at a certain lvl wasn't happening so how did it not gatekeep ppl

[winged reef]

Many other pieces of gear you could upgrade unlike neo where drop rates are arse and you’re limited to blessings and upgrades with high chances to fail

[last void]

🤨

Even if you did you wouldn't hit vt requirements without the soul at a certain stage

[somber kiln]

The buggest difference in soul imho was the burst soul

[last void]

Regardless of which soul it was , you -needed- it

[somber kiln]

Gunners just raised the ceiling too high with that

That made normal dps look washed

[grave hawk]

Soul was insane dmg increase

[somber kiln]

Soul was the only true bottom row that actually showed a difference

Heart sure

But not as big

[last void]

I don't understand how it's even up for debate that the game started going down with the soul

I wasn't even there for the heart

I just got it from a valentines event and they said it was gna be the next soul and called it quits

[somber kiln]

I remember when heart was just a 5ap thing from an event

Yep

[last void]

Like , soul + pet + heart ? Get out .

[somber kiln]

I mean

I kinda played consistently up to ET

After they killed raids with Silversteel being the last

Game went downwards

[last void]

That's fine but doesn't mean it didn't start going down the toilet with the soul imo 🤣

It just kept going down

[somber kiln]

Yeah but that was hardly noticeable

[last void]

It was hardly noticeable -because- you consistently upgraded it

[somber kiln]

TT was when the game was at another high

Felt like the game was overcrowded

[last void]

The game wasn't overcrowded long before VT I highly doubt it was at TT

Arena was dead , BG was dead , ranked BG was dead

[somber kiln]

PVE was still on high

I remember there was always a weekly and daily party in chat

Never short of any

[last void]

Doesn't mean it was "overcrowded"

I guess it's relative

[somber kiln]

Just felt that way

[last void]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Well as long as you got your fun out of it that's what matters

To me , the idea of soul 2.0 was the nail in the coffin

[somber kiln]

Yeah
Game never felt like “oh where are the parties”

People were always running

Didnt have to sit and wait

[grave hawk]

Because ppl had 10 alts

[somber kiln]

Thats just my judgement of overcrowded

Yeah
Only had like 3-4 geared people in the 12mans

[valid cradle]

Black Moon

[somber kiln]

Oh right

The serpent one

Forgot about that 💀

[astral tendon]

mostly same ppl running raids multiple times with all the dead accounts

[somber kiln]

How many people actually progged on that one tho

[astral tendon]

i run VT 3-4 times a week back in the day

sometimes 5-6 lol

[last void]

Ye same , lost track of which chars did what

[astral tendon]

i have 3 bm and i think 2 kfm from other ppl for VT, and i somehow need to also slot my own sin in one of those raid

[winged reef]

Neo has no soul and died much quicker than Live ever did

[valid cradle]

No soul, only blade 😔

[winged reef]

As long as you did events you’d get items to upgrade your soul

[valid cradle]

well, soul core

[astral tendon]

well nostalgia only work up to a point

[valid cradle]

Close enough

[somber kiln]

True

Just needed some alts to help with it and you were kinda ok

Not the best but ok

[astral tendon]

i dont really see young players in this game, mostly mid 20 to mid 30

[somber kiln]

Its for the uncs

[grave hawk]

New players are fked

They end up as lvl 45 and cant do stuff

[somber kiln]

Basically pushed to play bc I never started a game from the beginning lol

Plus I liked bns

Just didnt have the pc for it

[astral tendon]

i thought i was old at 28, been told im not that old in term of bns playerbase age

[somber kiln]

And live was just too myfh

Much*

[astral tendon]

tons of mid 30 ppl here

[last void]

Comparing neo to base live isn't even a hail mary

The fact that even the -drop rate of pots- is lower while the -prices are the same- with -less gold generation- 🤦‍♂️

Like you can't even put the two in the same ballpark

Siren weaps had focus regen on them

-SIREN WEAPS-

[astral tendon]

think is a good time to give a purple selector at lv45 now

new players have to get carried otherwise there is no hope for them

[last void]

The state of lightning BM at siren on live is better than endgame lightning BM on neo

[astral tendon]

idk, from my memory lightning was always meme

other than style point

[last void]

Fire wasn't even a thing till the dt rework

[winged reef]

How lol, it was so bad you were had no focus recovery

Og fire was just Flicker spam with occasional DT

[last void]

OG fire was 3 DTs and you get dropped out of draw stance

[last void]

You were fine on focus as long as you used cyclone 🤨

[winged reef]

Same for neo

[astral tendon]

but then i tried to carry some ppl to tree, 51-55 level, and after 1 wipe cos half the ppl dont know to kd after block, 2 ppl left

[winged reef]

But you can’t block all the time

[astral tendon]

before i have time to explain

[last void]

"Same , but"

[winged reef]

Also there was no extra dmg from bd

[somber kiln]

Bro
You could have even used hmb from violent blade

[last void]

True , it just innately did more what a downside

[winged reef]

Fulmination only came about with the skill revamp later on

[gilded thistle]

Some people have no patience and on top of that don't want to learn

[somber kiln]

They completely cucked how violent blade works

And i hate it

[gilded thistle]

[last void]

Why would I want it to -always- do more if I can just have it do more -occasionally-

[astral tendon]

they actually just quit after they are dead

didnt even wait for wipe

[winged reef]

I just remember running out of focus all the time lol https://youtu.be/ZRI8ga3SuMQ?si=Ia6fDLrpuXsCQOLT

[astral tendon]

so with the mental of some of these new players, plus the help they have, not sure how the game gonna sustain

[somber kiln]

They should actually make lvl 50 book a selector in sf tbh

[winged reef]

But at least you had raid/rush/tab on a very short cd

[last void]

^

At least you had raid/run/tab/cyclone with focus -and- immunity , not needed a black dragon buff to be managed

Retained your CC

Had your QoLs

Had a weap that gave focus

In what way does none of this sound better than lightning's current state in neo

[astral tendon]

cyclone split iframe and focus recovery is so dumb lol

[last void]

?!

THANK YOU

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING

[somber kiln]

Like book stacking is so weird
Just make us stack the books on a tome or something of that one skill

Freeing up slots on gear

[astral tendon]

and also shoulder charge iframe is like 20x shorter for some reason

[somber kiln]

For my qol stuff

[last void]

What a pain in the ass holy hell

Oh really ? Wouldn't know because I NEED A BOOK FOR IT 🤣

[winged reef]

The qol is definitely better in live

But neo has better dmg/focus recovery than live back then at the start

[last void]

It's all better in live whether you want to admit it or not , at no point in live was lightning BM shafted this hard even -during the DT meta-

[winged reef]

Neo is just contrived gameplay

[last void]

Dude , we have over 1k ap and yeti isn't even out

[winged reef]

No ccs or iframes just to spec for damage

[somber kiln]

The book system wont go away but I hope they actually look at it constructively to improve

[winged reef]

But that wasn’t my original point anyway

[last void]

Ofc the "dmg is better" compared to live but the fact is you -could- tank on live -while dealing less dmg than neo-

[sage tulip]

[last void]

Like we had what , 300 ap at yeti ?

[winged reef]

They’re not following the same content than live anyway, and the scaling is obviously way off

[last void]

You want to believe the state of lightning BM in neo is better than what it was on live that's fine. I disagree

Then why are you comparing it to live to begin with

🤣

[winged reef]

I mean in terms of focus recovery + damage, your own rotation

[last void]

Okay

[winged reef]

Not overall gameplay and how the class plays

[somber kiln]

I see
In terms of the release

I kinda understand

[winged reef]

Not having ccs or iframes ofc neo is worse

[somber kiln]

And no mechs that damage the boss

[winged reef]

But same goes for every content in neo, it’s worse

[somber kiln]

When did the overkill on life steal introduced on live

I remember as a sin my hp would go right back up after a poison bomb

[winged reef]

All the different gems that gave you life drain like ruby and aquamarine

[twin lark]

No news about new BP, i predict no purp selector

[vivid robin]

wtb> dmg cyclone on EU 🙏

[spiral sky]

Get this purple mantra instead

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-gif-23353691

[sullen raven]

btw purple puncture - pm

[somber kiln]

Ok so

Question

Is the belt worth trying to ascend?

Knowing the new gear coming soon

And how expensive it is rn

[twin lark]

The first thing to be replaced are ring

neck and earring

so upgrading belt is ok

[honest haven]

how much would you imagine the -15% def reduction will help in shadowmoor, given boss is lvl 60 😓

[rain horizon]

depends on your piercing

[somber kiln]

Ah ok
Wanted to give myself a reason to keep tapping

Im 0/4 rn lol

[last void]

Wouldn't the def reduction apply regardless and increase damage anyway ?

I know it stacks with the cat strike reduction 🤔

[fickle loom]

@vivid robin got dc'd not coming back

[honest haven]

well if u got 4k piercing mby not as much ig

[vivid robin]

[honest haven]

but I thought lvl difference played a huge role in piercings effectiveness

[last void]

I mean if your choice is stone slash or searing slash majority of the time you go stoneslash unless maybe pure fire then I can't really say 🤔

[honest haven]

so being same lvl would in my mind make it more effective

[last void]

And searing slash for the heat buff not the def reduction is what would "make it worth swapping to"

[honest haven]

I guess I was more or less wondering if it changes the equation a bit in dps requirement

but true it depends on the teams piercing ig

[twin lark]

So, ncsoft gonna release a souls game. Thoughts?

[silver moth]

not sure this game can have 1st anniversary

[twin lark]

Then a 2d fighting game, then a pew pew game, then a racing game, they just wanna exploit and fail every genre

[honest timber]

just like riot lol

[silver moth]

then we will have bns revamp, bns remake, bns sequel, etc...

[twin lark]

Blade & Soul ReNEO

[somber kiln]

Remastered plus

[sullen raven]

btw purple puncture - pm

[fallow wind]

cant wait to pay gems to clear the bosses

[twin lark]

https://tenor.com/view/osss-gif-2328396799097889078

[somber kiln]

@winged reef can you send me your f3? And how much do you do on tree?

[honest timber]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-depression-sleeping-cats-gif-23632688

[twin lark]

How do ppl sell this thing again?

[winged reef]

How much are you paying for all this information?

[solar python]

You buy the outfit and the outfit is tradable? Might only be Seductress that is tradable, not sure.

[valid cradle]

Find someone who wants to buy it, then exchange for the version they can use

[twin lark]

Hmmm kk

[spiral sky]

Just drop it from tsm

Ez peeze

[spiral sky]

Hes doing 28k

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-fortune-teller-tell-fortunes-read-fortunes-see-your-future-gif-14068961

[honest haven]

isnt tree also bugged for aoe?

or is that fixed

[winged reef]

Wrong

[grave hawk]

30k

[somber kiln]

Hug and a kiss
Can can take this to the dms

[winged reef]

I’m not online so I can’t share f3, but it’s 1050ap, ~4.9k cr 3.2k cdmg, 28k-30k avg 48 stacks

[spiral sky]

So why my guess is wrong

[winged reef]

28.5k*

[spiral sky]

Still in ur estimate range

[winged reef]

[fallow wind]

Ted`s F3

[winged reef]

Damn

Lucy is so pretty

[spiral sky]

Damm..

I feel so bad for lightning

[somber kiln]

I mean
If you think about ut

The progression matches

[winged reef]

Buff when?

Tbh as long as it’s not a skill issue

[somber kiln]

The relative price to stacking

[winged reef]

I don’t mind it

[somber kiln]

Yeah

Ive come to terms with DT

Plus i always just liked dt animations from live

[spiral sky]

#bringchinalightning

[somber kiln]

And idek why they make your block 0 in draw stance

Wdf

Whats the point
Am i missing something

[spiral sky]

So you can get block primes

[winged reef]

Always been like that

[somber kiln]

On live too?

[winged reef]

And you know they didn’t know that because the original values for draw stance builds were very low originally and then they buffed it

Clueless devs

[winged reef]

Yea, not sure if it dropped to 0 but you took damage from blocking in draw

So less block in draw

[last void]

We also used to get 5% crit rate in draw stance which we don't anymore

[winged reef]

We do actually, 5% and 20% cdmg

[silver moth]

Actually u still have it

[last void]

The values don't change though ?

[winged reef]

But the values don’t change no

[silver moth]

5% crit and 20% crit dmg always be there

And still trash compare to puncture raw dmg

[last void]

I thought we lost that since the values don't change as opposed to how they did on live 🤔

[silver moth]

[last void]

Well that's good to know 😄

[winged reef]

#1357788582617813132 message

[last void]

Yeee 🤣

[winged reef]

Shown here

5% is nothing though when puncture gets 15%

[last void]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

We'll definitely get the same treatment 🤪

I'm not too bothered by where puncture's at tbh like I just want lightning to be pushed up a bit and more fluid 🤔

[silver moth]

We will see about that

[winged reef]

I’ll let you know how it feels once I get my leggy stone slash

[silver moth]

They can buff if they want

But they don't

[spiral sky]

Next buff will be flicker

[somber kiln]

Puncture is the devs little baby

[silver moth]

Leg flicker let go

[somber kiln]

Purple puncture is outdpsing leg ep?

[last void]

Legendary honed slash

Oh wait

🥲

[somber kiln]

Anyone got a recent wb snip?

[spiral sky]

Only if u use "china macros"

[silver moth]

Outdpsing every other leg build i afraid

[somber kiln]

Yeah I remember noticing that

In NA

Imagine how broken leg punc will be

Jfc

[silver moth]

Well, till kr patch, u may don't need cn macro anymore

[winged reef]

Leg punc with 48 stacks of leg stone slash

[silver moth]

Why need it when u can use normal macro with 80% crit rate

[spiral sky]

Did u call me?

[spiral sky]

Because its not just a macro

[winged reef]

You have to sell your soul for those

[spiral sky]

When it changes 500ms skills gcd to 450

[last void]

deal

[spiral sky]

[somber kiln]

Now realizing you’re a watermelon lmao @winged reef

[silver moth]

[winged reef]

The colours? They are a bit weird on f3

[somber kiln]

Watermelon cosplay goes hard bro

[winged reef]

Looks better in game

[spiral sky]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-eating-watermelon-watermelon-kirbo-gif-26975839

[winged reef]

I like the contrast of the colours in comparison to the overworld

It’s all very brown

[spiral sky]

Shaders