any fun bm budget builds, it's an alt to help friends on another server lol
#Blade Master
obsidian cove
rain nimbus
north burrow
BM doesn't have fun builds
twin lark
zinc pewter
Anyone did a comparison for blue pierce + blue vortex wave and blue cyclone + blue hs? Im thinking to get one in case i mess up rotation in hybrid
north burrow
Go vortex with slasher if it's just filler
Vortex will let you get back into your real rotation with Q
twin lark
I have blue pierce and had blue cyclone, dmg changes a lot when you go purp cyclone
Man, if i get puncture from event, i'm gonna lose it
winged reef
Yea but are the rolls any good
zinc pewter
Go vortex with slasher if it's just filler
Hmm but then i wont even need to use slasher ig
north burrow
That's the goal yes
It's just filler if you happen to get caught without a way to get back into draw
brave pendant
it's never lucky until twins drop the cobalt hair
zinc pewter
It's just filler if you happen to get caught without a way to get back into draw
Thanks a lot tho!!
winter acorn
the bots have gone AWOL
Thankfully I have stored 20k essence
twin lark
Finally decent dmg in bsh1
The sky is the limit
How much for bsh2? haven't done it yet
spiral sky
alot
bronze bolt
Poggers, you are popping off.
teal surge
heard its about -20% dmg
spiral sky
yo rick
teal surge
but thats some nice dmg
bronze bolt
I would say once you can hit like 20k in bsh1, you can try bsh2?
spiral sky
acc is the real problem
teal surge
18-19 to be more precise
spiral sky
not the dmg
bronze bolt
What ping do you play at?
bronze bolt
Unfortunate.
twin lark
AP 865
CR 3140
PIER 1800
teal surge
pretty sure if you get ur cr closer to 3.5k and cd to 2.5 or something u should be able to pull ur own weight
twin lark
Ok, will do
teal surge
ur pierce feels good enough
some say 2k is best goal but urs is already good
does pierce skillbook give pierce stat ?
teal surge
oh
twin lark
Once i get them all 8 ill primer them and psyche perfects stats, that should get me there. 3 so far
teal surge
cuz that stat looked high to me even tho i got 2 ss with piercing
btw u dont need to do all cr cd
no need to greed that hard
even pierce / acc is good enough
cd is a must tho
twin lark
This is the only one with cd piercing
twin lark
i have all 8 but not perfect, some have cr some have cd
brave pendant
Finally decent dmg in bsh1
You might have enough to hit min dps on hae mujin. It's worse compared to training since there's less stuff to block though so more likely you'll avg around 14k with good mechanics, 12k if you get dazed a lot
twin lark
Yeah i remember hae from OG, most attacks are red aoe
sadly
but i didn't have any problems back then cause focus wasn't a problem
urban bridge
If you are able to do 14k on hae you are fine
because you can just pop life drain charm to make up for the extra dps
twin lark
I have plenty of those +85
Also need the life drain set
There's no higher one right?
twin lark
I see
brave pendant
Yeah my clan uses the 305 charm in our hae clears
bronze bolt
I had that one, but I got hae mujin and blood mane, so I swapped to the 220 drain.
But I think the 130 drain is a good starter drain, and huge qol.
brave pendant
130 felt negligible to me honestly. 220 doesn't feel like much either but at least it's more noticable
bronze bolt
Uhh, I forgot.
xdd
Life of a pirate is free?
4 cards, 2 purps 2 greens (I think).
twin lark
bronze bolt
Yea that one.
brave pendant
I think you have to fuse purples to get them which is quite difficult. or get lucky with pity box
twin lark
Takes 4 orbs though
twin lark
i wont have space for it
brave pendant
yeah someone's flipping the market finally
spiral sky
got 0 blue books today
brave pendant
nobody have $ atm or too many BMs all quitting at the same time
twin lark
They really need to add sort by effects to gallery
urban bridge
been saving up my valor stones and valor stone boxes from these kaari essences
still need to roll 4k more but if all this doesn't even land me 1 purple book I'm gonna be upset
odd dagger
purple book?
spiral sky
yep
odd dagger
no i mean haru
odd dagger
oh
winged reef
I use all my Valor Stones to gamba for Golden Deva
twin lark
to puppah vortex?
worth
twin lark
I had cyclone before, it does increase dmg
winged reef
For me purple Vortex is really nice specially in BSH1
twin lark
I don't use it tbh i dind't even know it gave bdr
brave pendant
priority is get all the BDr stuff, then all the focus stuff, then get dmg increases
honed, vortex -> fissure Z C -> purp stuff
twin lark
fissure gives bdr too?
odd dagger
no
odd dagger
imagine being poor
brave pendant
blue until you can find a purp fissure that's like 3-4k ish
twin lark
Gonna miss it for PvP, but sacrifices have to be made
urban bridge
I'm ready for pvp
spiral sky
whats pvp
versed cedar
twin lark
not stance mb, i meant on flock
twin lark
scale?
winter acorn
@twin lark if you can solo bug comfortably, you should have enough dps
twin lark
scale ripper?
twin lark
<@305202047790219266> if you can solo bug comfortably, you should have enough dp...
for bsh2 you mean?
twin lark
i'll try later on
winter acorn
I found out my DPS is very close to bsh1 now after I'm lvl 54
I only do like 1k more DPS at bsh1vs bsh2
twin lark
as long as i'm able to join pts that's fine by me, don't need to be top dps or something, that's in the past
when i played live
rotund compass
as long as i'm able to join pts that's fine by me, don't need to be top dps or s...
finish dungeon more imporant than be #1 and wipe hehe
spiral sky
17,3k on blood
twin lark
finish dungeon more imporant than be #1 and wipe hehe
Indeed
urban bridge
I don't even take kd anymore
since I use scale ripper
scale ripper will also be nice for lab
since raijin/fujin has 4 bars of cc
instead of 3
twin lark
But scale doesn't kd
slender kelp
guys i hear that puncture is so much better so you can sell all your purple pierces to me on EU
spiral sky
twin lark
Man i do love tanking, can't wait for aggro on cyclone
urban bridge
yeah scale dazes
but some bosses you don't want to kd anyway
due to them having wake up attacks
like the twins in bsh 2
so daze is better overall
twin lark
So everyone will switch to other ccs?
cold rain
WTB Purple Fissure (NA) DM me.
urban bridge
yeah each hit applies daze
winged reef
In Live stun was always the main cc
twin lark
yeah each hit applies daze
This is OP then
Who was the one that shared that added aggro to cyclone or block, can't remember
on the new added skill system
accs
hybrid willow
WTS Flash step add damage (EU)
winged reef
Never seen that
twin lark
Shoudl have saved the image
odd dagger
isnt scale long cd
urban bridge
pretty sure the threat on cyclone was a datamine of files leftover from the CN version of the game in our version
because thats how it is in the CN version pretty sure
and yeah scale is 45 seconds
slender kelp
definitely not our version of the game lol
twin lark
That's not kr?
spiral sky
nop
twin lark
Well fck
twin lark
i went pvp, server is dead
when i finally got my build, no one to multi
and after steam announcement it's a rip
winged reef
When live came out on west in 2016 we had threat on cyclone
Probably the same copy pasted skill lol
slender kelp
still in awe that tencent is the superior choice in this
urban bridge
Here it is
yeah this is current CN version
they don't have skillbook stacking there
twin lark
And why isn't this for all regions?
urban bridge
and thats how their skillbook system looks like
because for some reason NC didn't want to have it that way
while Tencent pushed for this in their version of the game
twin lark
So they have a better version of the game cause reasons, nice
winged reef
Accs with skills sounds a bit awful though
urban bridge
its not
winged reef
So the skills you get are rng?
urban bridge
its rng but you can reroll
to whatever skill effect you want to
at a cost
no rng
involved
winged reef
In our NEO literally everything is rng lol
spiral sky
skill comes already in accs
twin lark
I just want that aggro on cyclone, send it over here
winged reef
Can't remember anything that isn't rng
urban bridge
the only rng involved is when the accessory drops and it has different skill effects on it
spiral sky
but u can remove it and use in others accs
urban bridge
not to mention the accessories themselves have only 1 substat
not 2
so easier to find bis accessories
and accessory drop rates aren't like ours
as reference this is what their drop rate looks like in highland exile
spiral sky
yo haru
urban bridge
compared to KR versions highland exile
spiral sky
get punch outfits
urban bridge
which only drop like 2 green books and a psyche 99% of the time
urban bridge
is there none on market lol
urban bridge
thats worth
winged reef
Time to reroll to China where there are drops and Lightning BM is top
spiral sky
i need a white outfit
spiral sky
@twin lark lets go multi
twin lark
i'm here let's go
slender kelp
i think my account is going to get banned at this rate
spiral sky
bot confirmed
slender kelp
nah im gonna get flagged for cheat engine or something
cuz there's no way this has happened 3 times in the last 4 days
primal hound
bruh
slender kelp
i only gamble at 3 or 4 AM when i have 0 blessing and done with dailies
and this keeps happening
spiral sky
vick u dodge a bullet
only melees on the party
3 wipes bacause they lured all the poisons on boss
tiny sky
is 7ap or 49 crit damage better for insignia?
i have 870 ap, 3.7k crit rate, 3k crit damage if it matters
tiny sky
Okay, thanks :D
odd dagger
ppl using 5 bsh ss and 3 profane
what wrong with that
twin lark
nothing just saying more cr
twin lark
or is the 200+ piercing better than 3 profane?
odd dagger
its just people have some invested profane pieces
twin lark
i see
odd dagger
like my 1 2 3 profane has good crit dmg psyches
so i need a bsh 1 2 3 with max values to replace them
north burrow
or is the 200+ piercing better than 3 profane?
Yes
It's a pretty noticeable difference for classes that don't have much base piercing
(like BM)
urban bridge
I'm dumb
worn rapids
Any high ping fire bm players? Got something to ask.
brave pendant
high ping fire shouldn't exist
long tulip
thats me hi
spiral sky
fire on high ping is doo doo
twin lark
what's considered high?
spiral sky
100+
twin lark
oh yeah
spiral sky
at least for me
odd dagger
high is anything that terribly affects ur counts
twin lark
we wouldn't need such low ping if bosses mech were mopre important than actual dps
odd dagger
fire on live was even worse on ping
u had no ways to fix ur rotation
atleast in neo , u can play fire at high ping with proper rotation
spiral sky
5fps 230ms on UE3
long tulip
i usually have like 2-3 spare DT for tab reset
odd dagger
upto like 170 ms
odd dagger
ya its just losing counts thats the only prob
but at this ping
every build gonna be like that
long tulip
yea so basically u just play what u want
odd dagger
its just fire bm is soo much more expense
spiral sky
yeah
but if u get cc on fire
with that ping
its worse
than getting cc on basic stance
for exemple
worn rapids
I cant do much dmg with every build.
Alr use lmb tab rmb all bluebook.
Barely do 12k dmg/sec.
Cz anicancel slow cz ping.
Gonna try fire but it seems worse right?
odd dagger
I cant do much dmg with every build.
Alr use lmb tab rmb all bluebook.
Barely ...
whats ur gear
and whats ur ping
spiral sky
I cant do much dmg with every build.
Alr use lmb tab rmb all bluebook.
Barely ...
whats ur stats and ping
lul
brave pendant
12k is good dps. depends which dungeon though
worn rapids
My stat :
Ap 780
CR 3100
CD 1600
Pierce 1100
Acc 1056
Gear tae earring + poh ring + siren neck + purple pirate accs
worn rapids
12k is good dps. depends which dungeon though
Usually i do 10k/sec
spiral sky
whats ur ms
worn rapids
156ms
odd dagger
is 10k on dummy?
brave pendant
on what boss. 10k on a dummy or 10k on bloodmane?
spiral sky
what build are u playing
worn rapids
is 10k on dummy?
Nah, on dgn, dummy is like 14k
worn rapids
what build are u playing
Lmb blue cyclone + tab blue gm11 + pierce blue gm2
brave pendant
10-12k in CS with those stats seems fine
worn rapids
10-12k in CS with those stats seems fine
Nah not cs, poh can do
worn rapids
do a 1 min parse on focus dummy
Ill try later still workin
spiral sky
14k on dummy cant do 12k on cs
brave pendant
I think I was hitting min dps in cs at 800 ap, and min dps in training at 840ap or something
worn rapids
Do i need more stacking tab or pierce? Since cant afford purple puncture
odd dagger
can u show
spiral sky
u need purple cyclone
odd dagger
what ur counts are focus dummy
spiral sky
thats the real boost
brave pendant
depends on your crit rate and stuff
pierce does 40-50% of my dmg so I stack pierces
this was on hae mujin over 3:40 for example
spiral sky
odd dagger
with blue cyclone , its prolly better to stack tabs
worn rapids
Ill try later, im not at home.
Looking for some reference.
I wont try fire then.
I need more cdmg right?
twin lark
lmao my ratio sucks compared to you guys
spiral sky
cause u have no gm on pierce
worn rapids
It often cost my focus but no dmg when no crit applied theres slow animation on pierce.
odd dagger
spiral sky
It often cost my focus but no dmg when no crit applied theres slow animation on ...
thats why u try to work getting purple cyclone
to boost ur CR
more crits
more boosted pierces
worn rapids
Gonna saving, only got 4k gem atm
worn rapids
Its like over10kgem on EU right
worn rapids
Okie, Thanks guys, ill improve my book first
worn rapids
Roger. On focus dummy right
spiral sky
the guys will help you out
yep
need to check ur ratio
and stuffs
im going to bed
worn rapids
Okie thanks
spiral sky
twin lark
don't go there man, that place is an abyss
odd dagger
its the best life
twin lark
cyclone is the way
twin lark
you must have 1k ap 5k crit
spiral sky
#1357788582617813132 message
twin lark
30gm
odd dagger
but saber tab caps at 60 gm
sad
its so nice being able to burst 60k dps on widows when they are stacked
little moat
He has 50gm in ms stacking 
sharp current
anyone know who ended up buying this
urban bridge
anyone know who ended up buying this
just check the top whales lol
I'll be on the lookout
sage tulip
How much for that?
long tulip
31k
long tulip
sharp current
LOL
long tulip
sage tulip
twin lark
transmute is rigged
10 tries
nothing
Forcing everyone to switch builds
Where's my pierce 25% to 125%
smh
odd dagger
i think thats cause
basic stance has 600 base block
but draw stance is 0
they prolly forgot about it on initial balance adjustment
brave pendant
if pierce isn't getting adjusted then does that mean it's actually on par with puncture...?
urban bridge
wait thats alot of dmg
odd dagger
is that 125% = 1.25x?
wouldnt that just be 125 dmg on draw stance
but if it can crit this getting block on draw stance builds gonnabe nice
wooden rain
Wouldn't it be added the same way as soul badges add ap as additional damage
slender kelp
depends
the additional damage from onrush can't crit, but the additional damage from badges can
urban bridge
its 125% of your block stat
so if you have 1k block thats 1250 additional dmg per hit
thats alot
considering 765 life drain adds a ton to your dps
1250 per hit is insane
oh wait but thats draw stance hmm
I have 126 block draw stance
so its not that much I guess
hmm
slender kelp
crit will probably still be better and block will just be a consolation prize
wooden rain
Consolation prize that everyone still rerolls
Would be funny to get full block ss or something though and see what it actually does
If this game was meme-friendly
urban bridge
You know KR finally added some way to test other builds
this patch
they gave out test skillbooks
of main skills
in this weeks patch
odd dagger
Pog
sage tulip
What they gonna test without DPS meter
urban bridge
With this though
they are saying we will call these the main builds of each class
because for BM they put
DT / TDS / Hybrid / Puncture
little moat
@gilded thistle Time to go Hybrid, Pierce is not a build.
urban bridge
yeah they gave out test skillbooks for people to try out different builds
but its only for those 4 skills
for bm
practically saying they will only support those skills
odd dagger
imagine no hs
urban bridge
clearly they never considered hs a main skill
probably intended it to be a sub dps skill
same for pierce
urban bridge
NC just weird I know
jaunty lark
Obviously hybrid is the only way, as god intended
wooden rain
I don't even know why they put hybrid there separately
Fire + es = hybrid, so if you support dt and tds, hybrid is already implied
gilded thistle
<@216278091490656258> Time to go Hybrid, Pierce is not a build.
little moat
He ain't wrong
urban bridge
xD
little moat
urban bridge
I'm more like a dolphin
urban bridge
its the truth though xD an actual whale be spending 10k+
little moat
That's a Noush
urban bridge
Noush sounds like he spent way more than 10k though
void blaze
10k.. wtf
odd dagger
does noush have a discord
little moat
does noush have a discord
Ye he in FM chat often
Previously before he got bored atleast
odd dagger
urban bridge
I mean isn't the timestream weapon alone like 1.5k
little moat
I dunno
urban bridge
or something ridiculous
1.5k usd is 150k dg
idk how much he bought his weapon but usually timestream weapons go around that price
little moat
The guy bought like 600k dg outfits and weps
Let alone all the accesories and skills
urban bridge
and he spins kaari wheel right
little moat
No clue
jaunty lark
He is a leviathan, you are a whale , sir 🧐
urban bridge
-_-
little moat
Noush is megalodon
Haru is fat shark
I'm little cleanup fish that follows Chifu and Mina and hopes for scrappies 
urban bridge
why at mujin
urban bridge
me too
I still get hit by the red aoes from time to time
or like the random patterns he does
gilded thistle
The small one?
little moat
Yes...
little moat
He points one way and i'm like okay I go bit back no worries
THEN HE JUMPS DIRECTLY ON ME
gilded thistle
Or q/e the moment he lifts off
little moat
Yes that would be good
wooden rain
at what point do yall consider someone
Whale is a lifestyle, not an amount of currency spent
little moat
If I had the reaction time and my macro wasnt interfering.
fickle loom
tried for legendary cards
I have 6 legendary cards and I haven’t spent over 1.5k (in total)
but my RNG also boosted
little moat
ill is rng whale
honest haven
That lil red jump
whispers dragon crash…
wooden rain
It'd take more getting used to for that one specific move/fight than just fixing the e/q skill issue
jaunty lark
I'm little cleanup fish that follows Chifu and Mina and hopes for scrappies <:cu...
A fish? Man im freaking seagrass
I just stand there lmao
jaunty lark
Im gonna extinct 😎
wooden rain
That said i do have dragon crash equipped still
I don't think my team loves it though when a random boss attack rotates 180
wooden rain
Can't
jaunty lark
Man, i wish we ger some proper threat mech in the future
Not gonna happen, but still wishing
wooden rain
Been tank in all content starting from around og yeti
jaunty lark
Time to ditch the dash then. Happend when lightning changes in live to dashy dashy
Literally unplayable if tank
wooden rain
I mean all content up until i quit live which is raven kekw
There was some alternative legendary path that gave 0 downtime on fob that i liked and didn't want to upgrade from
odd dagger
fob?
jaunty lark
Flock of blades i guess
little moat
Fan of a beach
jaunty lark
I think the opossite of raven had something about it
The light sword
There always existed a more utility Focus path weap
subtle spindle
@twin lark what are the main requirements for pierce build? I got purple pierce, and purple fissure from lvl 50+bpass.
Currently running straight DT build.. feel like trying something else
north burrow
<@305202047790219266> what are the main requirements for pierce build? I got pur...
3.5k crit rate + purple cyclone (normal lmb one)
subtle spindle
3.5k crit rate + purple cyclone (normal lmb one)
those are a musttt yeah? ive got 2.7 cr at the mo
how big is the diff between blue cyclone and purple
little moat
15 universums big
subtle spindle
ggs
north burrow
how big is the diff between blue cyclone and purple
10% crit rate
jaunty lark
Its way more inportant than adding just flat crit rate tbh
subtle spindle
ayt scrap that then for now
slender kelp
Anyone else love losing the buff because of the movie-length animation of cyclone/vortex
fickle loom
ye it’s a tad annoying
best you can do is if you know an attack is coming always throw out an lmb before the attack hits so you can refresh your buff but sometimes it’s unavoidable
grave hawk
how much does purple puncture go for on eu?
grizzled gale
last one was 23k afaik, but there haven't been any in the market for a while I wouldn't be surprised if it sold for 30
grave hawk
who buys this for 30k
gilded thistle
Probably no one
grizzled gale
same people who would pay 60 for a dt
little moat
Omg chifu is hacked
slender kelp
nooo not another fallen pierce enjoyer
slender kelp
that just means you would switch if you could 😔
gilded thistle
I mean. I'd try basic stance on easy mode
But I get bored easily so I'd probably return to pierce
slender kelp
that's my main complaint with puncture honestly
nothing's happening
at least with pierce you need to maximize bdr uptime
i feel like i'd fall asleep mid rotation
gilded thistle
Sure the damage comes easier but yeah not engaging enough
urban bridge
how many purple books am I hitting with this much valor stones..
slender kelp
outfit pouches is where it's at 🔥
gilded thistle
how many purple books am I hitting with this much valor stones..
4
slender kelp
that's an average of 100 valor stones per attempted blue which means an average of 500 valor stones per blue and an average of 2500 per attempted purple
unless my math is completely schizoing out
little moat
4
I have 4 valorstones so that matchss
I OCDt my skills into correct slots
Hahaha
-200 stones
grizzled gale
nah I feel you, you got every right to xd
fickle loom
I’ve yet to pay over 20k for a puncture
if you’re buying for over 20k you’re probably paying to much (EU)
honest horizon
wts
north burrow
Every time I asked someone wanting more than 20k if they'd take 15 instead they agreed lol
little moat
where in the world do I get me one of those for 15k
if i could do htat i wouldn't be playing hybrid atm 
north burrow
You find a guy selling it and you whisper him "will you sell for 15k"
wooden rain
"nah for that price i could just list higher on market and it'd be gone within an hour"
There's probably some hidden rng charisma rolls in chat as well
little moat
Within 5 minutes.
wooden rain
You know what f*ck purple selectors
Give proper odds of raw purple dropping
And blue
little moat
Give both
north burrow
Just give normal skill tree back
wooden rain
Just give normal skill tree back
Alright come on now
I'm already moving to the next universe and you're past that
What
jaunty lark
Bring old lvl 45 skill tree back*
Fck no i dont want the elemental wishi washi skill tree
wooden rain
Bring old lvl 45 skill tree back*
yeah what he said
no idea what live skill tree looks like rn though
slender kelp
When skill trees became just 5 toggles that was really cringe
jaunty lark
When skill trees became just 5 toggles that was really cringe
Its still that, so, ye lmao
winged reef
Skill tree on live is just toggles that have certain effects
Each build has 5 lines with 3 options each
jaunty lark
neo skills are better , its just the books
True, books is the main issue.
wooden rain
F
slender kelp
le noush is... le gone?
little moat
he was chilling in mushin yday
Rddying for the steam launch
(he wants to play warlock relax)
spiral sky
Yappers
slender kelp
Darn
little moat
Why does it matter what he does anyway
slender kelp
Would have been so much funnier if he suddenly gave up on the game after all the money spent
wooden rain
Would have been so much funnier if he suddenly gave up on the game after all the...
well steam has no launch date anyway so could still happen
slender kelp
Seems a bit premature if he sold all his gear already yeah
spiral sky
Time to move to steam
wooden rain
Why does it matter what he does anyway
there's a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen so gotta entertain ourselves somehow
spiral sky
And sell all my dota skins
wooden rain
at least i didn't fall so hard as to go to neo chat like someone else kekw
little moat
And sell all my dota skins
dotka blyat
simple jacinth
Doomers at work, you guys are like Lambs to a Slaughters
" Steam gonna be good"
NcSoft is gonna chew you out and spit you out so fast
if you think Steam is anny better then what we have now
little moat
simple jacinth
Steam Sucks
wooden rain
who said steam gonna be good
nova lotus
I read up on books and skill issues
I belive books would not be a problem if not for grand master stacking
builds are really nice and comfy if you slot everything
wooden rain
nah it would still be a problem cuz you can't switch freely
nova lotus
I can see how comfy my alt plays with all qo and utility
slender kelp
Not having 85% of your kit because gm is more important is so cool
odd dagger
one problem is not all skills having the equal tier, i dont get why lightning bd has green and purple but not blue
lol
same for skills not having a green at start
wooden rain
one problem is not all skills having the equal tier, i dont get why lightning bd...
you're not in BD chat
odd dagger
no , thats the only class i have seen that one
but the green one applies to bms
and lightning bm having a core rotation requirement locked behind legendary 4
odd dagger
personally
i think high tiers should jst be
more dmg
nothing else
base rotation improvements should be at lowest tier.
wooden rain
ehh i dunno about that
i like playstyle improvements but not when they're locked like this
if they were locked behind something like solo content for example
slender kelp
Would make higher tier books less impactful but cheaper and more accessible
wooden rain
🤔 it gives people some reason to actually learn their fkn class and not have 5k dps 800 ap
slender kelp
I like solo content too 👉 👈
Learning yunsang, yeoharan and m'ao was hella fun on live
odd dagger
i dont like it if there no chaos
i want the randomness brought by the randoms in my pt
slender kelp
Sure is fun when i get every mine on tae dropped on me... haha...
wooden rain
and you do realize it wouldn't be like mushin, mandatory to clear every day, since you could just get your book achievements and f off
spiral sky
base rotation improvements should be at lowest tier.
Blue punc 2 focus when 
Celt
Shhesh
odd dagger
its called pierce
spiral sky
U got 3 purple dt
spiral sky
Can't complain
slender kelp
U got 3 purple dt
Smh what does rng have to do with ppl dropping tae mines in melee range instead of ss back
slender kelp
whats ur ign
I dont wanna out myself i say a lot of provocative things in world chat when I'm bored enough
slender kelp
Its like needing the misty woods mask before you start griefing people
hard iris
if you’re buying for over 20k you’re probably paying to much (EU)
ah yo bro not everyone gets the streamer discount
odd dagger
ah yo bro not everyone gets the streamer discount
good sir , wanna hae?
hard iris
later I have to go grocery shopping soon
wooden rain
playing with random parties on my kfm makes me wonder how it's possible for people to still be this bad
@odd dagger i'm doubling down on the solo content as prerequisite for sh*t idea
except it should be requirement to enter purples
hard iris
are u implying skill issue?! No sir, those people are god gamer they just don't have purple books which is the reason they only do 2k dps
odd dagger
except it should be requirement to enter purples
rip 90% of player base
wooden rain
better to weed out early on than for them to come back "omg dps meters and elitists"
odd dagger
some people still struggle at junghado till this day at 700 ap kekw
hard iris
Yea there's a certain Fm who's top 500 player in his main MMO that struggled with Junghado
wooden rain
i mean junkhado is annoying as hell if you go in clueless about your class and his rotations
and have to exit and reroll skills
but that's about it
hard iris
yea pretty tragic that one has to put in a little effort to learn an attacking pattern
wooden rain
emphasis on exit and reroll skills
finally rolled decent psyches now that it doesn't matter for current content anymore
couldn't get one cdmg roll in like 15 psyches previously
north burrow
I belive books would not be a problem if not for grand master stacking
Stacking is the main problem, anyone saying otherwise just doesn't get how harmful it is lol
wooden rain
same as focusing on that and ignoring all other problems with it
hard iris
stacking is a problem but for the most part it's sill issue no matter what ppl say
the amount of ppl running around with 20stack of anythign and somehow manage to do no damage is surreal
blame whatever u want but at least 60% boils down to pure skill issue
north burrow
It's an annoying system regardless but stacking is the reason market is ruined & build diversity is non existent
wooden rain
well yes but that might have been the case even without stacking knowing this game
people will find a way
not saying it as an argument for stacking though
north burrow
well yes but that might have been the case even without stacking knowing this ga...
But core books would be much more available because people would only need 1 instead of whales hoarding them
Instead of 90% of books sitting as dead stock because it's worse to slot a new skill in instead of stacking another main book
wooden rain
but skills that people don't stack and do need are still expensive af, see sun stroke
urban bridge
stacking should have been patched alongside more availability of books in general to compensate which they did in KR to somewhat of a degree but failed to do in NA/EU
wooden rain
even searing slash is way above what it should be imo
north burrow
Sun Stroke is the only real outlier for a single slot skill
wooden rain
nah i feel like it's still the base level for where main skills would be without stacking
no stacking DT, puncture etc would be at a similar point
maybe at 10k
hard iris
crit cyclone is also not being stacked and expensive af
wooden rain
yeah
north burrow
There'd be a lot more supply and undercutting though
north burrow
crit cyclone is also not being stacked and expensive af
Is it
wooden rain
it is
hard iris
I find 10k for a single purple book expensive
wooden rain
maybe like literally one sold for 5k and it was gone in 5 minutes
only sold for that price cuz people quitting, wouldn't have fallen otherwise
north burrow
There were 6 listed and 5 of them were below 6k
wooden rain
i didn't see that
north burrow
I sold one in chat for 4k on the day
wooden rain
still, i wouldn't take people quitting as the base price point
slender kelp
Can confirm crit cyclone was cheap af for a couple days
odd dagger
I sold one in chat for 4k on the day
are u talking about spinny cyclone
hard iris
Point is, skill stacking sucks yes. But even if it wasn't for skill stacking there'd still be some kinda of meta and asides from that, it wouldn't make ppl better at the game. The main issue is not having a native parser imo
odd dagger
or lmb crit stack
north burrow
are u talking about spinny cyclone
Crit lmb cyclone
wooden rain
Point is, skill stacking sucks yes. But even if it wasn't for skill stacking the...
the market and people's dps are 2 completely separate conversations
hard iris
it isn't but I also said that skill books or accessibilty of books wouldn't make ppl better at the game
north burrow
It would certainly raise the floor
wooden rain
north burrow
I mean there's no skill in BnS
Everyone just holds a macro
Idk
Unless you're KFM
hard iris
you say that, yet there's stacked ppl not even being able to do required dgn dps
slender kelp
I play manual 🙂
wooden rain
we're the 1%
odd dagger
some things are just 2nd nature to u
that u think only pressing multiple button is what makes it harder
wooden rain
it gives you more things to think about
hard iris
I can't even take high ping as an excuse, Skyrus playing with 150ms and still does more dmg than the majority of people I know
north burrow
I play manual 🙂
I did too until I started farming Mujin
Unfortunately gaining 4k DPS for free is too good of an offer to pass up on when content is aids
slender kelp
My ping is unstable so it just works out better to play manual when i can adjust my timings on the fly
odd dagger
mechanics was never really something that effected ur dps
hard iris
like i get the empathy on skill books and market issues but non of that matters, stuff might become more accessable but it doesn't make the player better
odd dagger
since most of the time u stop dpsing to do mech
slender kelp
If my ping was stable i know a macro would be a big dps increase
rotund compass
OT: whats resonable stone slash price? im looking to buy (EU)
hard iris
OT: whats resonable stone slash price? im looking to buy (EU)
crit rate buff
north burrow
not quite the answer
slender kelp
OT: whats resonable stone slash price? im looking to buy (EU)
I saw one for 5k on market couple days ago
wooden rain
like i get the empathy on skill books and market issues but non of that matters,...
it does matter indirectly
a lot of people that are actually good at games quit because of neo nonsense
north burrow
I know plenty of decent players who just couldn't get their core books for one reason or another lol
hard iris
people that quit neo would have quit regardless
wooden rain
if you use that as an argument then we're all irrelevant here
cuz we're all gonna quit eventually
hard iris
yo#re still playing aren't you?
u find that game so horrible and imbalanced, why are u still here?
wooden rain
yea well i'm gonna quit, and i will have quit regardless
hard iris
this p2w, no mechanic mess
wooden rain
u find that game so horrible and imbalanced, why are u still here?
for the 1000th time, only because my clan and friends are still playing
north burrow
Why are you defending this game lmao
wooden rain
they quit i quit instantly
hard iris
I like the game
I enjoy it
I wouldn't be playing it if I didn't enjoy it
I think the game is good, my issue are just how bad the people are
north burrow
Then why are you downplaying huge issues like book stacking when you should want what's best for the game
jaunty lark
May be coincidence, but most of high ap with zz dps is just bc no dpa stacking at all 🤔 call it skill issue, call it game not saying a single thing about book stacking
wooden rain
he hasn't quite figured out yet that blind defense and liking the game are not the same thing
north burrow
It's the single biggest issue the game has (besides card gambling)
hard iris
I'm not down playing it. I said it sucks. But you can't deny the fact that no matter what recources you get if a person is sht at the game nth will carry them
north burrow
I'm not down playing it. I said it sucks. But you can't deny the fact that no ma...
Well nothing is going to save those players so we can just disregard them
They're not important when it comes to a game's future
hard iris
Brother, I literally played wiht a FireBM today wiht purple DT and 28stack doing 14k dps
how is that even possible
north burrow
You should cater to people who want the game to be good instead
hard iris
you just hold down RMB
wooden rain
I'm not down playing it. I said it sucks. But you can't deny the fact that no ma...
we weren't even talking about those players, you brought them into the convo and you keep bringing the convo back to them
north burrow
Dogs who have their monitors turned off aren't the primary audience you need to keep happy
hard iris
Because that's the main issue imo. And talking about something that can't be changed like the market isn't even gonna do anything
wooden rain
"market has issues"
"yeah well people bad"
north burrow
Because that's the main issue imo. And talking about something that can't be cha...
It's not the main issue though
hard iris
a good market won't make a dog player a better player
north burrow
Just find friends and play with them
You literally never have to queue with all random dogs if you have a few friends who actively play
wooden rain
smart people who can figure out how the game works can also figure out it sucks kekw
north burrow
Unfortunately friend groups quit because of bigger issues with the game
hard iris
and it's not gonna change, you quit as u don't enjoy the handling of the game, which is okay
north burrow
You just don't get it I think
The good players are the ones who can actually see the problems so they quit
And leave you with the dogs
Or join statics
hard iris
I get it but I'm not gonna pretend being surprised. It's NCsoft and we all know how the game would end up looking at KR
wooden rain
99% of players didn't look at KR before getting well into neo
north burrow
That seems to be what you're asking for
hard iris
I'm not asking for anything, all I'm saiyng is that book accessibilty isn't gonna make a better player.
hard iris
I won't stop
north burrow
It seems like you just want your personal experience with dogs to be better
Instead of wanting the actual game to be better
There's a solution to your issue
hard iris
It won't get better
north burrow
Which is just make friends with better players and run with them
hard iris
that's the thing it will not get better. My dog experience won't get better and NCsoft won't get a change of heart making the game better
north burrow
I just gave you your solution
wooden rain
what makes you think we expect it to get better
north burrow
It's just crazy to think an issue solved by just playing with better players is a bigger issue than fundamental game design flaws
hard iris
I'm just fed up with reading all the whining about the game state all the time, like it's not gonna change and if ppl hate the game so much for p2w, bad management or whatever, non if it is gonna change. What can change is ppl to show ppl how sht they are so they eventually improve, which atp is just whishful thinking
north burrow
the people doing zdps don't care they're doing zdps
hard iris
exactly ncsoft doesn't give a damn
north burrow
anyone who actually cares about their damage is already running a meter
anyone who doesn't is just casual af playing 4fun
but again you can solve that issue by simply making friends with decent players and partying with them
wooden rain
the mythical actual casual, opens the game a few times a week and maybe does a dungeon or 2
north burrow
but you seem to be ignoring that point
wooden rain
takes a month to level up from 48 to 49