Blade Master

[little moat]

The 71 you are looking at is the max you can EVOLVE (fuse)

Not prime.

[honest haven]

I'm pretty sure thats how primers work

[wooden rain]

You can put 999 there and it won't mean anything

[sharp current]

no but its misleading

[hard iris]

it uses the max as reference for the primer as well

[sharp current]

moonwater primers range is 79-113 but if a ss max is lower than 113, that will be the cap the primer can go to

[sage tulip]

thats correct

[honest haven]

ye thats why BSH soulshields are so good

it raises the cap

[sharp current]

but it doesn't change the fact that the primer can still go to 113 if its allowed to

[little moat]

So if moonwater is 79-113, And ss 1 has max 71.
Should I use a cinderlands primer on that, since its cheaper?

[hard iris]

https://i.imgur.com/txS71vG.png

there as reference

[hard iris]

a primer can't roll higher than the SS's max

e.g. if the primer has 1000-1200 and your SS's max is 70, the priemr will only give u 70

[sage tulip]

yup

[little moat]

So if moonwater is 79-113, And ss 1 has max 71.
Should I use a cinderlands primer on that, since its cheaper?

[brave pendant]

^ Yep. Pretty much what I had on all my profane pieces. ~70-80 even using moonwater on all of them

[honest haven]

moonwater is enough for BSH primers (some of them go slightly above but it's not much iirc), you should farm those instead and prime

[little moat]

How in the world am I goin to farm BSH sherlock

[sharp current]

its not that much cheaper and u would be gambling still vs just securing max roll

[little moat]

Why do you think i'm priming

[hard iris]

no because the cinderlans can roll far lower than what is displays

[little moat]

Ah

Fair

[honest haven]

it's not that hard with some acc and piercing 🤷‍♂️ or a summoner

[sage tulip]

you might get like 40 cr from cinderlands or somthing

[hard iris]

u can instead use the purple reflex moonwater primer instead the honor once

[brave pendant]

cinderlands avgs ~40 yeah

[wooden rain]

Or a full party that'll take you

[hard iris]

unless you're priming bsh pieces iirc

[little moat]

Moonwater it is

[winter acorn]

6,7,8 honor 1-5 normal moonwater

for max roll

[honest haven]

or a clan to run with

[wooden rain]

Same thing

[brave pendant]

Make some friends. Impress them with your mechanics and game knowledge. You'll get to clear BSH eventually.

[hard iris]

Or whale hard enough to carry

[little moat]

Oh i got 8-7 moonwater max roll

But 6 let me down

[winter acorn]

you cant hit max with moonwater tho?

113 is not max

[sage tulip]

hes talking profane shields

[winter acorn]

oh mb

[little moat]

Yes profan

I dont get invited to BSH 🙈

[sage tulip]

we could make a group maybe today

im lvl 52 almost

[little moat]

I wanted to do BSH yday but Chifu was busy with the clan

Imagine having a clan that can do bsh smh

https://tenor.com/view/jayratheru-jayra-the-rumor-congrats-congratulations-gif-10652998291245543988

[gilded thistle]

As soon as i finished loading in the game, "It's time for your daily slave bsh chifu"

At least buy me dinner first bro

[little moat]

Tldr we will never do bsh with chifusama

Clan to nolife

[hard iris]

maybe it's notthe clas

maybe Chifu just hates you guys

[wooden rain]

We're bns players bro what kind of impossible task is this

[odd dagger]

1.97

[little moat]

Must be it

[gilded thistle]

No hate

[little moat]

Chifu looks at us and goes "Puny bms, U are beneat me"

[gilded thistle]

Im trying to play with both

[little moat]

Inherented maria's gear and attitude

[gilded thistle]

I would never do that

[brave pendant]

How do you normally find groups for CS / BSH? Pugs? Clan runs? Messaging specific people?
In the NA #2 server there are limited # of people that's capable of clearing BSH so we all kind of know each other from WB rankings

[little moat]

CS I can recruit

I tried recruitin 30m for BSH and nobody even applied

The ppl applying were like 600AP ppl that have no clue

[brave pendant]

there must be a lot of people if you can find a BSH group with F7

or I guess not if it didn't happen

[little moat]

95% cant even pug Cs

let alone bsh1

[hard iris]

I mean the dps is really not that bad

[brave pendant]

Yep. BSH groups are usually formed by asking specific people over here. Bleed and mechanic requirements...

[odd dagger]

ngl if i see a 1k crit dmg guy , i prolly wont join

[brave pendant]

Is this an alt? seems pretty good. 11k is like 5-6k on baylee right?

[hard iris]

yea it's my alt

gonna do a baylee run

[odd dagger]

11k is like 8k on baylee

[little moat]

But i do enough deeps

[hard iris]

I got into a 680+ ap group

[little moat]

And me have searing slash

pewpew

[odd dagger]

u gotta build that reputation

[little moat]

That one bsh1 group recruiting

"880AP+"

Okay dude

[odd dagger]

shouldnt be too hard when there is only 20 people in cinderlands

[hard iris]

I think it's tiem to embrace the tab lmb build

[little moat]

Lmao bugger off

[gilded thistle]

880ap lmao

[odd dagger]

its funnier when people ask 800+ for cs

u know they suck at the game if they think u need 800 for cs

[little moat]

I just say "Be good enough"

[brave pendant]

Not surprising. I still see a lot of 800s not even reaching min dps on CS

[odd dagger]

looking at a certain guy with "TV" in his name

[little moat]

Who is that

Probally that english bloke innit

[odd dagger]

iykyk

[little moat]

that is the most aids abbrevation i've ever seen.

And I am embarrased I know what that means

[odd dagger]

[little moat]

Nice dmg dude, U are poharan ready

[hard iris]

tab lmb is the the answer

[odd dagger]

he is

[brave pendant]

9k on baylee?

[hard iris]

yea

[brave pendant]

solid yo

[odd dagger]

only issue is getting a pt

[brave pendant]

tabs are pretty cheap atm too. that seems promising

[odd dagger]

at 600 ap

[hard iris]

https://i.imgur.com/RB6oX1R.png

[sage tulip]

i invite anyone in purple train at this point

[hard iris]

[odd dagger]

ya same

[hard iris]

what if i put that build onto my main

[brave pendant]

forget flock. just RTAB huh

[odd dagger]

i saw in world chat yest , 550+ ToE

mfs be gatekeeping soul core farm to ap to

[sage tulip]

lmao

[hard iris]

I got no badge for it not that I know if it evne makes a difference

[odd dagger]

why is there one flicker

[sage tulip]

they be spending potions on that

[odd dagger]

lmao

[hard iris]

misclciked

[wooden rain]

Cs mostly pugs, others i haven't even gone yet

One dude said i def have enough for bsh1 and invited to friends but never seen again

My clan is all at least 5k dps behind me

[odd dagger]

mw has a lot of pugs for bsh now at evening

but very rare for bsh 2

might see more for bsh2 next week

[sage tulip]

rarely any groups for bsh in cinder

[wooden rain]

I haven't even tried searching tbh, I'm tired

[odd dagger]

we had like 5 pug recruiting at peak time

for bsh2

bsh1*

[sage tulip]

peak we have 1

i never seen 2 groups XD

[brave pendant]

that's better than 0

[sage tulip]

at the same time that is

[brave pendant]

The only people that openly advertise BSH groups are 100% trap groups

[sharp current]

most of the time^

[brave pendant]

at least on my server

[wooden rain]

Pugs wouldn't take me for bsh1 tho, i have less than 800 ap and around 1.6k cdmg

[brave pendant]

if groups do form, they'd be done through whispers

[sharp current]

i think ive had my smoothest runs today recruiting pugs <9min runs LOL but i think my usual group trolls a lot

[sage tulip]

once you do get in you just add those ppl

much easier for next time

[sharp current]

^ always add good ppl, make friends

[brave pendant]

yeah once you get a clear group, you just add everyone to friends and repeat on another day

[sage tulip]

yea

[wooden rain]

Such an overcomplicated way of communicating though

[sharp current]

how is it overcomplicated

[wooden rain]

What are you gonna have 20 people whispering 19 people each

[sage tulip]

i mean unless you have them in guild

how else

[wooden rain]

If it's all one network of whispers

[brave pendant]

we actually do have clans made of only strong players

[sharp current]

how else are u supposed to talk to ppl or recruit LOL

[wooden rain]

Idk might as well make a "cinderlands bsh-ready" discord at that point or something

[sharp current]

i mean, that could be a thing, but whats the alternative

[brave pendant]

much easier to form groups when all the BSH capable players are together and are ready to go with a disc message

[sharp current]

how do u talk to people and recruit people... without talking to people and recruiting people

[hard iris]

Make groups and start sorting out ppl

[little moat]

This guy just did Lab.
He has 110AP from insignias because they have events since last september that give you an aduncance of BLUE insignias

[hard iris]

that has worked for me in most of games I played so far

[brave pendant]

gotta build your reputation

[wooden rain]

I'm talking about it more like as a long-term thing

[brave pendant]

play with certain people a lot

eventually you'll be known as the go to guy for clear groups

[sharp current]

then yea, make a discord or discord chat group and inv ppl u socialize the most with and make it into a static group

[wooden rain]

Between this and market simulator we're leaving what i consider to be game territory

[little moat]

This is my discord chat group

Right @sage tulip and @gilded thistle

[wooden rain]

If i want to socialise I'll go and actually socialise not play bns lmao

[sharp current]

but how do u get a group to consistently run with, without socializing

[hard iris]

wdym it's 2025 ppl with their anxities and fake mental diseases need it

[sharp current]

"yo are u free at X time"
"how much hmb do u have"
"do u have dailies still"
"bsh 1 today?"

not everyone is on the same schedule

u gotta ask these kinds of questions

and socialize

[wooden rain]

I know

[winged reef]

Yea but BnS isn’t a singleplayer game. Maybe you’re playing the wrong game

[wooden rain]

It's just becoming more pain than it's worth

[gilded thistle]

Don't forget Angel!

[wooden rain]

It's a braindead time waster with fundamental great combat and ass company behind it

[brave pendant]

that seems excessive. Normally it's just asking if someone's free now or in 5-10 min to start a few training base runs

[merry prairie]

I literally only log in to play with you guys now :S

[brave pendant]

I'd imagine a lot of people that's capable of running training but not command would definitely be down to spam training bases for the new SS and stuff

[merry prairie]

cba playing alts and doing other stuff

[little moat]

Angel bae ❤️

I thought u quit

[wooden rain]

I would explain further but i already know the conversation ends with the answer "money"

[sharp current]

idk, the game is definitely harder and less fun for most as f2p, but its doable

ive been doing bsh2 and i have an alt almost CS ready without spending

[wooden rain]

It's not about doable, it's about where it's fun and where it's headed

And they're not the same direction

[little moat]

How much dg is 5 bp levels guys?

[wooden rain]

1k xp is 110dg

[sharp current]

fun is always subjective, so like what is fun to u tho what do u want out of this game

[hard iris]

bdx it's not worth the purple anklebiter

[wooden rain]

Involved combat that gets harder as you go

[little moat]

So how much exp is 25-30

[wooden rain]

Which is basically the opposite of where it's going

[sharp current]

how come higher dps check isn't considered harder, ur required to play better and better too aren't u? other than just getting better gear/new skills

[wooden rain]

Kek no

[winged reef]

The next dungeons are also dps only, maybe the next ones will be better

[brave pendant]

probably 1k gems. not worth it. just wait a few days and clear daily / weekly / login

[little moat]

How much exp is 25-30

[sharp current]

new bosses comes new rotations too, everything becomes easy when u get used to it but it is also hard when ur not familiar with it

[wooden rain]

Builds are simplified as you get better gear, bosses barely have anything to them

[wooden rain]

Probably around 10k

[little moat]

i completed everything xept BSH and login

[winged reef]

CS isn’t new

It’s also just Sajifi

[brave pendant]

weekly quest. beluga

[sage tulip]

i mean thats a good idea, could also ask everyone to post logs for proof that they do at least 17k in cs

[hard iris]

oh yea surely

and then u get the classic "I don't barse"

"my friend told me"

[wooden rain]

It takes an entire 2 runs to figure it out if you pay attention and the higher gear you have the more of a boss you skip

The combat in bns devolves as you go

Not evolves

If you want to go really technical, lv36 no badges fire bm takes a lot more to be optimal than current for example

And same as it was with live, builds just got simpler and simpler until combat practically disappeared entirely, probably died with simple mode but i wasn't there to see it

[sage tulip]

well maybe ask them before they join to send you, otherwise they dont get in

ik it sounds "elitist"

but its how it is for now

cause dps is tight

[gilded thistle]

Surely my low ap won't gatekeep me from joining right?

although i finally kinda fixed my cardsets yesterday

[hard iris]

my alt it outdpsing a 700AP bm

[little moat]

I am doing some CS with some Cinderlands peeps trying to get into BSH groups

the kfm we had yday was one of those mina :d

[sage tulip]

which kfm

[little moat]

zerophynenon or something like that

[brave pendant]

ap doesn't matter. there are some 775 AP BDs doing 19k in CS and other 800 AP BDs doing 6k in CS. You gotta know which are the good players

[sage tulip]

im check logs rn

[winged reef]

I gained more from getting my purple skill than getting more AP

[sage tulip]

usually how it is

[winged reef]

Crit and cdmg also matter a lot more than just pure ap

Not just for dps because I also use less focus on crits therefore extra uptime

[little moat]

NCA can we have atleast a few off these KR events?

[sage tulip]

i mean

[little moat]

Indeed.

I got a BD that wants to try later today

[sage tulip]

he doesnt have dps for bsh

[odd dagger]

buy my belt bdx

[little moat]

He does the same as me and i'm blocking 💀

[little moat]

5dg

[sage tulip]

yeah

[odd dagger]

[sharp current]

well i never played live, this is my first iteration of BnS, and while combat on our part gets simplified, it is still challenging to meet dps requirements and be optimal, even with a simpler kit, and honestly, playing optimal on my full green book no badge alt, its literally just pressing the correct order of skills off CD, there's not much more to that

[little moat]

So ye discard that guy

I got a BD later today if we're going to run

see whaddup with him

[brave pendant]

do they have purple books at least? or is wind?

[wooden rain]

It actually takes some planning around the boss rotation is the point since you can't reset cd on a training dummy

And yes it is still simple mostly, but that's the exact problem I'm talking about

[little moat]

God knows

@sage tulip Look up RoadDevilZ

uwu

[wooden rain]

And there's nothing challenging about dps requirements gameplay-wise when gearing exists, it's basically just about getting better stats not skill

[wooden rain]

First step to making it skill based is enforcing normalized gear

[sharp current]

thats like, almost every game and mmo tho

[odd dagger]

its not challenging if u truly over gear

but are u overgeared?

[brave pendant]

wind. very high stats. that should be a good enough BD

[hard iris]

it's never challenging pressing buttons

[little moat]

what does "painting box" translate as

[little moat]

Oh he looks geared

[winged reef]

Portrait chest probably

[wooden rain]

Doesn't matter right now

My point is the base systems in bns are great and the game's killing itself as it goes

For people who are attracted solely by the combat, what would they stay for

[hard iris]

the combat

that's why I play it

more importantly to ask, waht are casuals staying for that can't play their rotation or even dodge

[sharp current]

so what would ur recommendations be

[little moat]

So thats another giant event we never got

Cool

[wooden rain]

Regarding what and towards whom

[sharp current]

im still playing cause i enjoy optimization, in any aspects, whether its gear and stats, or rotation and bossplay

"My point is the base systems in bns are great and the game's killing itself as it goes"

so how does it not kill itself as it goes

[little moat]

GIVE US THE EVENTS KOREA HAD AND HAVE

blue insignias, purple cards, PLENTY of blue skills, Purple selectors

Broooooooooooooooo

[wooden rain]

Evolve the combat and bosses to be more difficult than the past, assuming normalized gear

[odd dagger]

i mean kr had months between those?

[little moat]

They overlap

They got events since last august still running

(when they got bsh)

[odd dagger]

people can barely do current content properly

and u wan make it harder

[hard iris]

[winged reef]

Asura seems to have kept the same mechanics as before

[sharp current]

evolve the combat how and make the bosses more difficult how, im just asking cause its easy to say these things but how exactly would u want it to be implemented

[winged reef]

Maybe dungeons will get more interesting again

[sharp current]

i want the economy to get better (irl), its easy to say but how is a different story

[hard iris]

saw with wildstar how well hard content worked out for them

[odd dagger]

averange andy spends 80% of the time in bsh1 being stunned and kbed by blood mane

[little moat]

Hey thats me

(I cant even join a group to enter bloodmane)

Checkmate.

[hard iris]

avrg andy is 700+ AP doing 7k dps

[little moat]

95% of the ppl are stuck on CS Kaari

[sharp current]

if ur in NA, maybe ill take u bsh1 xd

[little moat]

if I was in NA i'd be worried about other stuff then games

[odd dagger]

add purple dg to cross server when

[little moat]

[odd dagger]

i dont get why its server locked

when F5 is combined anyway

[little moat]

Give us f8

Fak this server bound shite

[winged reef]

I actually like it because it keeps activity in the server

[sharp current]

why isn't purples in f8, thats cross server isnt it

[winged reef]

If everyone was in f8 server would be dead

[little moat]

Who cares

[winged reef]

In live I ended up living in f8

[little moat]

The game is a dungeon crawler

F8 is the dungeon crawler lobby

It makes sense.

u earn 10g/day from dailys, U spend 1g45 windstriding all over the place.

Nice.

[sharp current]

i think it would be more dead for casuals, more experienced players are not gonna RNG their teammates

f8 being cross server would help pugs out and casuals get more experience

[hard iris]

or ppl get flamed

[wooden rain]

@sharp current i hate discord bot moderation

What did i even say that it didn't like

[hard iris]

tbh you're describing Live, go play live if that's what u want

[wooden rain]

I played live and hell no that's not what it is

[hard iris]

then do demonbane dgns with pugs that don't know to cc adds

[little moat]

The very last word

hahahaha

[wooden rain]

What in god's name, it's a file extension

What is hurtful about a file extension

[little moat]

Also, thankfking god NC doesnt listen to ppl. Else your idea would be implemented

[hard iris]

can't even say p d f anymore without it being associated wiht ped ophile, how fkd soceity is

[little moat]

Peedoophile

[sharp current]

everyone is gonna be the same exact build tho then, there is always going to be a statisically best build and that will get solved, and everyone will just use that

[wooden rain]

People will optimise the fun out of everything, you can't solve that and you don't design for that unless you want your game to fail

Design for those who want to figure it out themselves

[sharp current]

how do u design for that LOL no one is designing for that

theres multiple skill trees so people can find what they like and play it, but there always will be ppl who optimize and will play the optimal build

they would be designing for it if there was only 1 build

[little moat]

What u just described as an idea with the timings is littstly what you just said that would kill the game

Huh...

[hard iris]

there'll always be a meta regardless of what it is, something will always be more efficient

[wooden rain]

Just change what is optimal every update and annoy the f out of the people optimizing, i think I've seen some games pulling similar sh*t but i can't remember where

[wooden rain]

Explain

[sharp current]

games like league of legends and more MOBAs do that

i dont think this genre is right for that

where balance thrashing is common and meta shifts every season

[hard iris]

The First Descendant did that, now the game is dying cuz u have 8 character that can just one shot bosses

[wooden rain]

I didn't say do it, i said how i imagine you would do it

[sharp current]

because in those games, its player vs player most of the time, and depending on meta, some teams and players skillsets are highlighted, the monsters we are facing, aren't gaining new skills every patch or reworked every month

[winged reef]

Monsters everywhere

[hard iris]

and then ppl will quit your game cuz they invested time and effort into something and next updates it's suddenly dogwater.

not how play retention works

[sharp current]

yea, thats just giga waste of time

in a game like league again, where every match

starts from 0

it makes sense

but we're not starting over from lvl 1, every expansion

[wooden rain]

I will repeat

I didn't say do it, i answered the question

[sharp current]

its not about doing it, its the idea and concept, its not for this genre

its definitely an idea, and works, but for games like MOBAs

[hard iris]

you're giving a possible solution for something where's no problem by making it worse than it is

[wooden rain]

Once a-f*cking-gain, i was answering this question and implying nothing else

It's not even related to bns

[wooden rain]

And i feel like this is missing the point

What i said implies you would have to eventually master your full class in every build since different dungeons would require you to use different builds

It reduces the variety sure, valid point

[sharp current]

i feel like u just want a completely different game, nearly every class has access to every mechanic in the game, whether its healing reduction, knockdown, daze, stun, sometype of iframe

[honest haven]

https://i.imgur.com/DEeIrxF.png

whew

[sharp current]

are u saying u want to hard lock knockdown, daze, stun to one build, i frame to build 2, healing reduction to build 3

[wooden rain]

No

[sharp current]

as an example*

[wooden rain]

I'm saying different builds would be objectively better than others at certain things

[sharp current]

what even would be the difference between builds where it would HAVE to be ran in X dungeon

[wooden rain]

One for single target, one for aoe, one for support for example

[hard iris]

so u want a classic mmo? 🤨

[sharp current]

that doesn't sound anymore fun than what it currently is

spam single target skill if single target

spam mobbing skill if its a lot of mobs

spam iframe or cc if u have to disable them or survive

[wooden rain]

God dammit I said the 3 letter thing again

[sharp current]

like, what ur describing, already exist here

[winged reef]

Or play Lightning and do all 3

[sharp current]

for example, twins in BSH2, the most optimal way is grouping them and using skills that can hit both

so multi target shines, and any single boss, single target skills shine

[wooden rain]

It's easy to shoot down anything i say here because it's all hypotheticals and tiny summaries of ideas

[sharp current]

no but thats the point of discussion and how we can work towards finding an answer or solution

if ur not trying to break down ur own arguments, how do u know its solid

u cant just say stuff and be like, thats right, it has to be right for a reason, if it can sustain feedback, criticism, etc

[wooden rain]

Yeah but it's a massive tangent, do you even remember the point i was making before we went down the rabbit hole?

[sharp current]

yea u weren't enjoying this game and thats its killing itself, so i asked u what is fun to u and what u want out of this game or what u would change

[wooden rain]

And my answer was involved and evolving combat

Everything beyond is examples and suggestions

[sharp current]

so whats an example of a game with good involved and evolving combat

how do we learn from that and how can bns be that

[winged reef]

For me it’s more interesting dungeons than just dps for 5 minutes straight

[odd dagger]

is this lab that they made 6 man?

[sharp current]

yea

[odd dagger]

oh pog

[versed nest]

dont know if this has been shared yet but TSM is being ran rn as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm3MRg17bpU

[winged reef]

Legendary Shadowmoor is the new 4m dungeon in KR

[versed nest]

first boss already is a dmg sponge again and has no mechs

[sharp current]

is that warlock

[versed nest]

ye it is

[odd dagger]

so new legend dg = old one become 6 man?

[wooden rain]

Bns already has a very good base, whoever built that just needed to continue doing their job instead of looking at other games

[versed nest]

im checking last boss rn to see if mechs are there, just hopped on PC

[wooden rain]

But if you need me to answer the question directly, I'd always point to dmc franchise first

[winged reef]

Seems like Neo is a simplified version where only dps matters so that whales can spend their money and just see bigger numbers

Like a mobile game

[odd dagger]

why does everyone has this cat thing

[hard iris]

looks like anotehr dummy

[versed nest]

giga sad but yeah, seems like it. this might be the quits for me as well then since TSM had insanely fun mechs

was coping up until this point

[hard iris]

gotta appeal to casuals

those that only play mobile gacha

[versed nest]

oh wait.. we had a normal mode that appealed to casuals and HM for the more ambitioous? damn scrap that

[odd dagger]

watching range perspective always funny

literally 0 effort pew pew

[winged reef]

My hopes is with Silverfrost, Soguns Lament in CN seems to be like the original
Maybe they’re just going easy at the start? It’s not like the first 6 months of Live had hard dungeons. Only started being more challenging with Desolate Tomb

[hard iris]

tbh does it even matter? look at the current decline of player. it will just be like live

might as well return to live atp

[versed nest]

yeah but for the most part, THOSE are the mech heavy dungeons already (see Hollows Heart dumbed down - Ash something village)

[hard iris]

[versed nest]

ncsoft is so damn good at imploding it's actually insane

[hard iris]

why does the WL not use soulburn, is it washed?

[winged reef]

Yea I know, but there’s still plenty more that can come. Still early on so I’m keeping my hopes up. Maybe starting with Silverfrost like I said

As Demonsbane will probably come

[versed nest]

yeah, supposedly next week? if THOSE are actually gonna be dmg sponges, ill call it quits for sure

since, the time might actually be better spent on anything else tbf

[little moat]

I am going to buy the bp and see what I get out my purple box

if it shiet im out

[hard iris]

you're to far in bdx

you ain't quitting anytime soon

[little moat]

How am I to far in

I didnt invest anything

[hard iris]

commitment

[little moat]

Breh who cares about that

[hard iris]

tell me what u get

[little moat]

I worked at a job for 14yrs, got angry and left the same minute

[hard iris]

if u get something good I buy bp too

[gilded thistle]

Purple SS or DT fosho

[little moat]

if it isnt SS DT or Puncture

Its gg.

[hard iris]

[odd dagger]

saber?

[little moat]

Looking at all these events and rewards KR got up untill the point we are

Makes me absolutely fuming

[somber dagger]

Rough bro dw I'm still waiting for yuanfei to slide in my closet

[little moat]

32 outfits more then us, 3 patches ahead of us

[hard iris]

tbh understandable, the lack of events really meh

[little moat]

Let alone all those blue insignias and blue selector boxes

brooooooooo

[winged reef]

https://www.youtube.com/live/CkLj2xhqcnM?si=cb2uyo7iKUNdCh-X

57:15

Seems to have the original mechanics. So maybe there’s hope. Not a hard dungeon but better than nothing

[little moat]

I haven't had any gear progression in 2 weeks xept 4 lousy primers

[somber dagger]

Ok question tho

How many grandmaster u get per purple skill

When u Stack

[hard iris]

6

[somber dagger]

I got purple HS and I believe 5 blue HS

[hard iris]

still 6

[somber dagger]

If I swap 1 blue to 1 purple

How much dps increase would I get

[hard iris]

then u get 5

[somber dagger]

What

[hard iris]

or 4?

[somber dagger]

But dps wise what is that on number

[hard iris]

u replace 2 for 6

[somber dagger]

No bro

[versed nest]

check it on here https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="TraitView"&p="NEOEU160425"&class="BladeMaster"&spec=0

[somber dagger]

2 purple 4 blue

[versed nest]

u can click through everything and apply grandmaster

[somber dagger]

Instead of 1 purle 5 blue

[little moat]

just use yast xenmas

Build your build

[somber dagger]

It will give me the dps expected ?

[little moat]

Nobody can give u the dps expected

Not even us

[versed nest]

it will give u the % and ratios expected

[somber dagger]

I'm on my phone I'll do it when I'm home

[versed nest]

not the raw dps

[odd dagger]

to see the dps diff 1st u have to give a reference with dps break down

[hard iris]

1 purple stack = 3 blue stacks

[somber dagger]

Ah cause I really wanted to know between upgrading my gear and getting more purple skills what would give me more dps

[winged reef]

1 legendary = 3 purples

[versed nest]

2 purple 4 blue = +26,60% in case that was ur question

[somber dagger]

I wanna invest smart on the rest of my gems

[odd dagger]

1 purple over 1 blue will add 6% on top of whatever u already had

[somber dagger]

1 purple HS is 10k gems

Oh hmm

So 6 % of 13k

[odd dagger]

not 6% of 13k

13k x 26.6 / 20.6

[somber dagger]

13k is what I do at bsh

[little moat]

💀

[odd dagger]

13k is not entirely hs

[somber dagger]

Oh yeah lunar tab

And purple breeze

[odd dagger]

and cyclone

and soul core

[somber dagger]

But still you HS most of the time

[odd dagger]

and blade call

[somber dagger]

I don't have blade calll

Is it worth it ?

[odd dagger]

flock lightning rod or whatever else u also press

everything matters

[hard iris]

tl;dr if u have slots to spare, stack HS. Stack purple if u can otherwise blue

[odd dagger]

in dmg break down to see actual dmg increase

i would say out of 13k

60% is hs

or 65?

[somber dagger]

So better getting more purple HS

[odd dagger]

you will get 1.3k more dps

by adding 1 purple hs

[little moat]

Get more purple hs

[somber dagger]

Oh ok

So I need 2 then

[little moat]

We love buying purple books that do less dmg then blue books

[somber dagger]

That is 20 k gems

Daaam I'm far

Better keep farming and selling shite then

I hope Hs purple price will drop at some point :p

Wait a minute what If I get purple fissure too

It would increase the number of HS I do

[little moat]

Getting better ms also increases number of HS

[hard iris]

u should stack your main dps skill

[somber dagger]

So purple fissure and 1 purple Hs and I can do bsh in a comfortable position

[somber dagger]

Believe it or not I have no delay on casting

You can ask @odd dagger

I streamed to him

[odd dagger]

ya hs is always max speed

regardless of ping

its gcd boosted skill

everything about hs rotation is gcd boosted

[somber dagger]

Oh one more question tho

Boot connection

I see cooldown reduction on it

Is it cdr on the skill itself?

[odd dagger]

bro

whats with u and ur imagine stuff on boot?

[somber dagger]

I swear

[odd dagger]

yesterday it was def reduction

now its cooldown reduction

[somber dagger]

It says cooldown reduction

[hard iris]

take a screenshot

[somber dagger]

Look at it

At the bottom

I can't right now I'm at work

[somber dagger]

Did you see ?

[little moat]

Brurder

It doesnt.

[odd dagger]

i cant see things that doesnt exist

[hard iris]

none of the boots has cd reduction

[little moat]

Same picture as yday.

You are delulu

[somber dagger]

It's call boot:connection

[little moat]

It doesnt give defensive reduction, it doesnt give cd reduction.

[hard iris]

boto connection doesn't exist

[odd dagger]

yes its the same skill

it jst has diff name on book

lunar:combo = lunar:connection

[little moat]

Xenmas is just imaging his boot doing all the glorious things

Whilst it doesnt do shite

[somber dagger]

Wait a minute

[shell needle]

drink some water sir, seems you need that more than that connection thingy

[somber dagger]

You said cdr

Cdr is cooldown reduction

[wooden rain]

@little moat Did you do it

[little moat]

Do what

[wooden rain]

Bp

[little moat]

I'm at work sir

[somber dagger]

So cooldown reduction of the skill itself

[little moat]

How am I gonna do that

[wooden rain]

Bruh

Idk you said it like you're doing it rn

[somber dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-it-out-spit-disgusting-gif-16413711

Here is your water

[wooden rain]

Fk it, walk out of work and open it, if it's bad quit job

[somber dagger]

To be fair sometimes they do translate stuff wrongly

So it is not entirely my fault

[little moat]

You imagine things wrongly aswell

[somber dagger]

That I'm going crazy

[odd dagger]

you need to stop day dreaming about ur glorious boot

[somber dagger]

Hey boot is a good skill

[wooden rain]

BM = boot master

[hard iris]

kinda your fault if you're seeing things

[little moat]

He is so deprived of proper events in this game

That he is delulu

[somber dagger]

[little moat]

Understandable.

[odd dagger]

dragon tongue replaced by boot

[little moat]

Even wonderred

That we are just licking the mobs

With a dragons tongue

[somber dagger]

Yeah name is weird

So bdx is a feet guy

[versed nest]

damn thanks for sharsing this, keeps my copium up a bit more. seems like even mini prebosses are the same

[little moat]

no thank you

[somber dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-leo-cheers-man-of-culture-gif-11842471611108892522

[little moat]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254765

[sage tulip]

one day ill get blue dt from chest

[wooden rain]

And then what

[hard iris]

they don't exist

[somber dagger]

I'm still waiting for yuanfei

[sage tulip]

ill sell it for big coins

[hard iris]

the books on market are gm injected

[somber dagger]

She doesn't wanna be part of my collection

[somber dagger]

Lmk when u do bsh

[wooden rain]

Still takes like 7 of them for a proper purple

[somber dagger]

The gab between blue and purple is enormous

[little moat]

I read an intresting conspiracy theory.
Ncsoft manipulates the drop % of least wanted books, so you get lets say 6 blue punctures, u will try and play those punctures.

[somber dagger]

Poor f2p people

Nah I got Dt from my last battlepass

[little moat]

Ppl are trully delulu from the lack of events

[somber dagger]

It is just luck

[little moat]

Grasping on every little bit of hope

[hard iris]

I mean looking at the amount of boot books I got I'd belive the theory

[little moat]

I got all blade strikes and breeze

[odd dagger]

there is blue books in this attendence

surely one of them will be dt

[little moat]

It can't be coincidence

[somber dagger]

The worst part is if it's bound

You can't even salvage it

i think

[hard iris]

u can for 1 page

[somber dagger]

..

[wooden rain]

Well knowing ncsoft it's well within the realm of reality, the question is whether it makes money for them

[little moat]

Gimme sexy food

[somber dagger]

I'm sure we get events soon

They just taking their time translating it

[little moat]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-766857345458198993

[wooden rain]

Top 1 naryu lab clear gets purple selector

[little moat]

NC with you.

[somber dagger]

Going back to work

U guys enjoy

[grave hawk]

If you make it to top one you are already full purple most likely...

[wooden rain]

Ain't that the point

[brave pendant]

no events, no selectors, BSH not flooding markets with blues and purples... yep

[little moat]

Dang you smart

[grizzled gale]

who wants to buy my BIS pvp wep?

[hard iris]

pvp

[little moat]

6 person Lab event

for the ppl that cant clear lab as 4

[grizzled gale]

shhhh I'm just coating it so someone falls for it

[little moat]

My god Korea is so good

Fak NCA

[wooden rain]

So good that people say it's still sh*t compared to CN

Our version is worse^2

[hard iris]

apperently TW is even better than KR

[odd dagger]

its the same

[little moat]

Ppl complain about everything

But korea have 4 events running and next week get 3 additional events

Getting PURPLE CARDS, Blue insignias and plenty of materials to upgrade stuff

Might be worse then CN but 50x better then ours

[odd dagger]

but bdx would love tw, they get so many costumes

[hard iris]

costumes > gaem

[little moat]

Idk what taiwan has

Cant read their languag

[spiral sky]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

2 months, 0 real events,0 outfits,0 drops

Sure will get better

[little moat]

0 buffs, 0 dung nerfs, 0 item changes, 0 balancing changes

Great game

[spiral sky]

Can't get worst

Right

[little moat]

Cant be worse if nothing is being done

[spiral sky]

Bdx

U wrong

[little moat]

Probally

[spiral sky]

We have balance changes

[little moat]

We did?!

[wooden rain]

Ninja

[spiral sky]

Remove party buffs

[little moat]

Show me patch notes

[spiral sky]

[hard iris]

Yea we got book stacking early

[earnest basalt]

boys, help there was a macro somebody posted here or on the other class chat for hybrid fire, apparently it was originally taken from some kr stream/ guide, i used it and it was perfect, i accidentally erased it, cant remember how it went and cant find it here either haaalp

[versed nest]

the biggest change we can hope for is them selling the IP and giving to some other greedy company, that at least cares

[little moat]

1ms R down T down 1ms R up T up 1ms

That one?

[wooden rain]

You're joking right

[little moat]

Tencent takeover

[wooden rain]

Noush singlehandedly pays for the servers

And then some

[little moat]

Noush is falling off

Havent seen him buy one WB thing in a week

Still no legendary bottom accs

[wooden rain]

NA full of whales, EU has a good bit as well

[little moat]

No legendary skill

[violet elm]

who is more whale status than him?

[little moat]

Nobody atm

Noush got his 10 seconds of fame and is now dissapearing.

His gf (i think?) Noushka is getting geared tho

[hard iris]

Rmt > whaling

[spiral sky]

That china bm puncture in na is close

[wooden rain]

Wasn't it because noush agreed on who gets drops first so they don't war

He's just waiting

[little moat]

Addox aint buying stuff

Its a bunch of random guys lol

[wooden rain]

Maybe he's just waiting for next patch then, nothing worth his attention rn

[grizzled gale]

he was doing CS the other day

[little moat]

He still playing

[grizzled gale]

36k on winter mane

[little moat]

But maybe he is hoping on actual event

Cuz this game sucks

(geez im doomering hard today)

Bdxpooper arc

[wooden rain]

Wait what

I was in the same party and didn't make the connection

[little moat]

They not the same person unless he has some multibox software

Saw them both doing WB (not stacked like the bots lol)

[wooden rain]

I'm a realist bro not a doomer
Just happens to be the same thing here kekw

[earnest basalt]

i thought it was this one but this one skips a ton of lmbs for me ;x

[little moat]

Try 1ms R 5ms T 1ms

Thats the one I use

The korea macro only works if u have like 1ms

[earnest basalt]

thx, this one has the same issue though weird ;x starts off strong but then skips like 3 in a row

my ms is decent

20-25 in game ;x but i guess still not good enough

fck dunno there was a marco someobdy screened and it was soo good, but cant find it, looked through like 5k messages yday xD

[little moat]

My original macro was RT35ms

Its not that one is it?

I am on 20-25ms aswell

[earnest basalt]

nah not the one xD

[little moat]

#1357788582617813132 message

Diz one?

[void blaze]

R25msTT1ms

[little moat]

Oh on wait thats tab

Me dum

#1357788582617813132 message

Many macros such button press

[spiral sky]

Macro is weird,tried same macro from different softwares and got different outputs

[sage tulip]

yeah

[little moat]

Some macro programes use Windows default delay (15ms)

Others overrule it

Steelseries no matter what u fill in the "repeat window" it still takes 15ms from windows

[earnest basalt]

oo i think its this one

[odd dagger]

ya the ms doesnt translate 1 : 1 b/w programs

[earnest basalt]

one second !

[little moat]

1 second

[little moat]

Thats alot of delay

[sage tulip]

using this rn

[spiral sky]

Tested on ahk and ghub

[sage tulip]

but its not perfect cause i get fps drops

[spiral sky]

Yeah mine tablmbrmb spam suffers the same

I got the best dps output

But dam

Fps tank it like a champ

Can't properly do a macro to do combo yet cause crit

On high ms u lose so much time on parkson animation on rmb

[earnest basalt]

both last ones above are nice but dunno why sometimes they lock me in animation for so long. even when i dont hold it anymore, its so weird, for some reason it doesnt stop the rmb lmb cancel when i stop it during the rotation when i have no more focus and just wanna do rmbs only instead till tab back up - but instead i lose draw stance cause it still does lmb despite relatively early macro cancel

[sage tulip]

could try adding more delay im not sure

[odd dagger]

bruh taiwan people sure love gambling

why is there heavenly so expensive

sabers are only 6k with 8 in stock lmao

[hard iris]

maybe it's fun to use

[little moat]

Do they even have CS yet

in poh and chef I conciderred it cuz the mass amount of AOE u can do lol

[violet prism]

you can have no delays with ahk

     Send("{Tab down}") 
    Send("{r down}")
        Send("{r up}")
    Send("{Tab up}") 
        Sleep(1)

[odd dagger]

searing slash purple

only 2k

with 12 in stock LMAO

[violet prism]

NA or EU ?

[hard iris]

TW

[spiral sky]

Their drop rate should be boosted

[hard iris]

if only playing bm wasn't cancer on high ping I'd no cap play tw

[spiral sky]

Or gens its not that expensive

[odd dagger]

punctures are 50-60k

DT is 50k (but 1 )

lmb cyclone is 35k

[violet prism]

what's ur ping btw

[odd dagger]

its about the same

[hard iris]

on where?

[spiral sky]

Normal stance its not

[odd dagger]

slightly cheaper like 10%

[spiral sky]

But u need 90+ crit

[odd dagger]

i could honestly play tw, cause i have 80 ms there compared to 130 here

but cba not being able to talk

[hard iris]

u talk to ppl in the game?

all I do is insult them

[spiral sky]

Its a win/win

[odd dagger]

pretty sure they jst have a lot of gamblers

• more players in general

[spiral sky]

Bdx from tw

[hard iris]

• more players with hands as well

[spiral sky]

Confirmed

I mean if we have like a insigna/card chest

On books attempt

We also would have alot gamblers

[little moat]

what

[spiral sky]

Honestly nc should have done this

Im just copium

Bdx

Rlx

Consolation box

[little moat]

Surely those last 2 "he" means "we"

[odd dagger]

i think they dont like hybrid here

thats DT

[little moat]

Their server is located in Korea

Not in taiwan

Ping bad.

HS good.

From the little info I know about TW their server is proxied.

[odd dagger]

must be wrong info

cause i wouldnt get 80 ms to kr

[little moat]

Just like the old Bns Live server for EU was proxied out of Eastcoast NA before the 64 bit change
(I went from 84 ms to 16 back then)

[odd dagger]

[spiral sky]

China hosting

[odd dagger]

almost every tw streamer has 5-10ms

[hard iris]

AI generated latency

[little moat]

Chatgptms

[odd dagger]

but somehow almost every bm i checked is a hybrid

so idk why its so cheap there for dt blues

[little moat]

Homies helping homies get stronk

[odd dagger]

time to stalk people in mushin

[little moat]

Can u check what events Taiwan have

If they have blue books im going to bust my nuts

tw. websites are blocked on my work network

Shadey coworkers

CARDS

?????????????????????

[little moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-what-what-the-what-the-hell-confused-gif-5148050941166749560

I hope nc west burns to the ground.

[odd dagger]

i dont see any major events

but they get like a new costume every 2 weeks

[hard iris]

where are our costumes

[odd dagger]

our new attentendence is better than tw one

[odd dagger]

whats bro cooking

[little moat]

Events on Bns Neo, They got the same BP but extra Mushin and World boss event.

[odd dagger]

why does he have purple puncture

but stacking dt

[spiral sky]

No valor stones

[little moat]

I've seen a few ppl run purple puncture and pierce here in EU aswell

While stacking hybrid

Block cyclone, spam RB

Return hybrid

[wooden rain]

Looks like what i want to play

[spiral sky]

Hybriding on hybrid

[little moat]

Shaddy does the same thing with HS purple

Its a very fun build

[odd dagger]

i mean hs is intended way if u wanna do some thing during block

puncture without badge is just weaker than hs

more focus less hits / sec

[wooden rain]

That sounds weird

How can it be more focus and fewer hits at the same time

[odd dagger]

cause hs on crit consumes 1

hs has 3.25 hits / sec

[wooden rain]

I forgot about that

[odd dagger]

puncture always consumes 2 has 2.5 hits /s

[wooden rain]

Would it matter if you only hold on block cyclone though

It regens enough for both

[odd dagger]

yes , hs will do more dmg

[little moat]

Its not about being stron

Shady says himself, HS hybridding hybrid is weaker

Its just more fun.

and I agree

Its ALOT of fun

[odd dagger]

no im comparing to puncture

vs hs

[wooden rain]

🤔 so you're saying i should buy hs

[little moat]

Yes but I said

[odd dagger]

yea if u going to play block > hs

[little moat]

They play Hybrid + HS/Puncture/Pierce

Whatever their 50 book is

And they just have fun using the skill the game gave them

They know its less dmg, but who cares

U get shafted by the game anyway

[odd dagger]

well his book was DT

so hes jst gonna buy the rmb incase he has to block

[little moat]

He got blue dt but purple puncture?

[odd dagger]

oh u mean the tw guy

[little moat]

Ye

Shaddy does shaddy things

And we like that.

[fickle loom]

I see talk of slasher stacking

[violet prism]

ill stream when

[fickle loom]

I got unbanned today

so… today

[odd dagger]

pog

[little moat]

if we increase HS price ill will sell his slashers and go LB Tab build

[violet prism]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[wooden rain]

Yast states gcd is same on puncture and hs, not that i fully understand it

[odd dagger]

why does it say 1000

that makes no sense

DT is correct at 400

[little moat]

10s gcd

1s*

math.

[wooden rain]

Congrats champ you did it

You mathed

[odd dagger]

its possible 1000 is repress time of unboosted?

[fickle loom]

you definitely should not stack slasher though

[little moat]

Deff do

Everybody buy slashers

slasher giga op

[wooden rain]

Nobody's talking about stacking slasher here

[odd dagger]

slasher is the way

[little moat]

40k twin dmg

[fickle loom]

it’s fun and I’m like top 1-3 dps in my static sometimes but you’d do better with any other build for the same investment

even lightning

but hs badge soon

[odd dagger]

ei

[fickle loom]

👍

[odd dagger]

lightning is the same tier as lb tab

[little moat]

Look at this guy trying to contain the prices of his build

[odd dagger]

when u are in skyheaven people wont appreciate those slashers

[little moat]

Z pull the summs and fms and get em

[hard iris]

what does it matter

u have flower spammign summoner there

[little moat]

Give them a taste of their own misery

[hard iris]

ice rain and dragonchar fm's

skyhaven is just aids as meele

[little moat]

I did the birdguy the other day and had to leave 4 times for dumplings cuz a KFM kept vacuuming into the summoner sunflower lmao

Needless too say, that KFM got unalived twice.

[hard iris]

or those r-word melee that spam gubong

[odd dagger]

had that one today, i was wondering why i kept going closer to boss , its like bro wanted to die to my tabs

[little moat]

I just air combot him into blue infernal soul

Could not care less

[wooden rain]

but then

[odd dagger]

love it when summoners drop their trash which removes ur ability to block

[little moat]

Briar Trash

The range on that is so massive

[wooden rain]

so what is the actual speed of them

[odd dagger]

buy a purple pierce

and try on infinite focus dummy

[wooden rain]

right

[odd dagger]

oops

blue pierce

actually

grene pierce

nvm

white pierce