Blade Master

[lean sundial]

[wooden rain]

Have you seen how much substat one fusion adds?

[lean sundial]

between 3 to 6 roughly yes

[humble saddle]

3-4 i think

[lean sundial]

but at least it's a guaranteed stat gain

you could use 50 psyches and get absolutely 0 stats

[wooden rain]

Approx 2/9 odds for crit damage i believe

If you assume horrible rng you can't get absolutely anything done in this game

[lean sundial]

psyche is the most RNG thing though

perfect gear can be bought, same for books
primers are guaranteed, fuse is guaranteed (granted you get the correct soul shields to do so)

[hard iris]

just smash it together til u got what u want

[lean sundial]

BUT psyche is what will give the most stats overall

[wooden rain]

You kind of skip over the part of getting enough fusion material to max out stats

[lean sundial]

that's time consuming

[wooden rain]

You're gonna burn 1000 wood fragments on fusion

[lean sundial]

I'm not saying it's a good system

[wooden rain]

Me neither

I hate both fusion and psyches

But i would do at least the first 4 psyches before fusion

[humble saddle]

I guess i will just do primers and keep fusion and payche for BSH shield, assuming i can do it 🤣

[jaunty lark]

i men

[lean sundial]

atp keep primers for bsh too

[jaunty lark]

i would still try to rell crit dmg on 1-4 psyche soul shields

[lean sundial]

if you can kill the boss without them

[jaunty lark]

cuz that a lot of cdmg

and bsh gonna take a while

[lean sundial]

hopefully we're getting CS drops

[humble saddle]

I only have 1400 cr with 700 cd

[lean sundial]

I'm on 2000/1000 with no psyches/primers (on soul shield)

[jaunty lark]

thats my rate, but i do have primers 🥲

bruh

[humble saddle]

My bottom acc have no cd or cr

What ss are you running

[lean sundial]

I think I have 32 cr on gloves?

5prof3kaar

if you're on eu, can F3 me

[humble saddle]

I am running full profane dont know if worth kaari with the low stat threshold

[lean sundial]

I got decent kaari pieces

2 of them are double crit with high cdmg iirc

[humble saddle]

Nice, iam 4/8 with double, still need to farm

Got two brightstone double stat but low roll

[lean sundial]

didn't bother with brightstone due to hongmoon blessing being a thing tbf

might even skip bsh if I can (there's still so much I can upgrade) to go straight to hexwood

[humble saddle]

Thats a wheel ss after bsh patch?

[lean sundial]

that's a leg ss

from hexwood dungeon

[humble saddle]

Ah

[lean sundial]

or is it the one from twisted lab

idr

the one from twisted nvm

yeah nvm I'm never getting that one

may go BSH after all

[jaunty lark]

@lean sundial EXPOSED (its a joke xddd)

[hybrid willow]

somoene use macro on razer synapse ? for ES DT ?

[jaunty lark]

but ye, u dont have primers

dont even have a crit siren, huh

[tough robin]

the leg ss is apparently super hard to get because even turbo whales don't have a full set in kr

[lean sundial]

oh I may have used those quest psyches

yikes

[hard iris]

https://i.imgur.com/JdApd9d.png

[hybrid willow]

what is t and r

t is lmb or rmb

[jaunty lark]

thats a bonkers quest pyshche, lmfao

[lean sundial]

r lmb t rmb

[tough robin]

r is lmb

t rmb

[lean sundial]

on your keyboard
r is on the left
t is on the right

using this

[hybrid willow]

ahah

[jaunty lark]

MOA, need ya help, cant show the damn overlay 🥲

[lean sundial]

what overlay

[tough robin]

you mean act?

[jaunty lark]

act one

[lean sundial]

parser?

everything is written down

[jaunty lark]

i can see parse, cant see the "good looking" overlay

[tough robin]

idk i just follwoed the git guide

[jaunty lark]

i mean, i can see it, but not when im gaming

Sadge

[tough robin]

your plugins should look like that

[lean sundial]

yeah that's also written

[lean sundial]

step 9 overlay part

[tough robin]

idk what else to tell you

:c

[lean sundial]

ewwww french

[jaunty lark]

french, the betrayal

this is only thing ive got showing over the game lel

[lean sundial]

that's act's mini parse

not the overlay plugin

[jaunty lark]

ye, overlay oesnt wanna show

thats my issue

🥲

[lean sundial]

well

show us

your overlayplugin stuff

[lean sundial]

general

untick 3rd

[lean sundial]

no

general

above event settings

[jaunty lark]

ah

[lean sundial]

yes, untick 3rd

[tough robin]

yes background handling is bad

[jaunty lark]

HUH

[tough robin]

so you have to deactivate it

[jaunty lark]

then why its checked by default

[tough robin]

game doesn't know when bns is there or not

[jaunty lark]

smh

[lean sundial]

it's written there

smh

[tough robin]

because ACT is not bns specific

and this is a bns specific thing

[lean sundial]

doesn't follow the guide
complains

[jaunty lark]

Damn

[jaunty lark]

ya XDDDDDDDD

mb

[vale idol]

is lifesteal card worth for bm even? I feel like dragontongue attack speed is too slow for it to matter?

[jaunty lark]

its sunday, read its hard

[hybrid willow]

how many ms you have

[lean sundial]

13-20

[hybrid willow]

i do the same and its only do rmb

[lean sundial]

varies

and I can do 12/12 in one sunstroke window

[tough robin]

macros are you specific, fps, ping, software

[lean sundial]

hardware too

[tough robin]

just mess around with delays

go on focus recovery dummy

and try stuff

we can't find a macro for you

[lean sundial]

that's what works best ye

[hybrid willow]

sometime my rmb do like 2-3 hit

[lean sundial]

yeah sometimes it happens

[hybrid willow]

i need to put more delay on rmb or lmb so ?

[tough robin]

figure it out for yourself

[lean sundial]

because game

[tough robin]

no

not necessarily

could be more

could be less

we don't know cause we're not sitting at your computer

xd

[wooden rain]

maybe a little bit of slowmode wasn't so bad after all

[hard iris]

probably lag spike my macro works for me but I have sub 30 ping

[jaunty lark]

i mean, this char was for yapping

for build related issues ppl have the thread there

🤔

[hybrid willow]

i have less dps on lbm rmb than just rmb

[lean sundial]

that's what I had at first

[hybrid willow]

🤔

[lean sundial]

then gotta tweak focus recovery

and macro

and all of that

[hybrid willow]

i'm on recovery dummy

i dont have focus prob

[tough robin]

do you have sunstroke badge?

[hybrid willow]

yep

[tough robin]

do you get 12 Rmb 12 lmb / tab?

[hybrid willow]

12 rmb 9 lmb and 15 rmb with only rmb

[lean sundial]

14+1*

[tough robin]

12 9 is the reason why

fix your macro, try it, it takes time to get a good macro

[hybrid willow]

okay

[sage tulip]

wait you need 12/12 to do more?

[tough robin]

if you can get 14+1 DT and do less than 12/12 it's gonna be close

[odd dagger]

man green build lb tab is so good for alt , 7k dps with basic ass gear at 570 ap

[sinful jasper]

is that a good base to work with ? ( i dont do always rmb/lmb sometimes it skip)
Send, {t down}
Sleep, 1
Send, {t up}

    Sleep, 10

Send, {r down}
Sleep, 1
Send, {r up}


    Sleep, 30

[lean sundial]

that's what I use

works for me

[tough robin]

^

[lean sundial]

idk about you

[sinful jasper]

how much ping do u have?

[lean sundial]

13-20

about 100 fps in combat with silhouettes

[sturdy dagger]

Man, i'm amazed that those macros work, you do realize your spamming LMB/RMB x 116 times while it takes for Lighning Blade to hit once BEFORE you can animation cancel ? 🤣 🤣 🤣

[sinful jasper]

have 12 to 15ms 9X fps it skips for me but it is still very consistent ( but not always)

[sturdy dagger]

Not to mention, at even 10 MS ingame, 9 out of 10 of them wont even be seen by the game

[sage tulip]

how does urs look?

[sturdy dagger]

Works even at 50 ms, but you really need over 80 FPS ingame, else the game itself wont see your input as you can only have one imput per frame AT LEAST.

[odd lagoon]

what should i priorize atm? ingame name "Bajula" im fan of fire bm

[hybrid willow]

DT Blue

and DT mystic badge @odd lagoon

[lean sundial]

at least moonwater for the mystic

[odd lagoon]

so i can do once per month via weekly 1 mystic badge try?

[wooden rain]

Market or costume salvaging (the dg costumes)

[odd lagoon]

my divine gems income is pretty bad because f2p with no luck

[hybrid willow]

@odd lagoon if you are on eu there are 1 moonwater dt badge in ah

on +1

[odd lagoon]

yeah i see, have only 1.5k DG atm

[hybrid willow]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[wooden rain]

Even barebones f2p with 600 ap can farm bug raid

[sturdy dagger]

I feel offended, i am f2p and have 678 (or so) AP xD

[hybrid willow]

i'm too 740

[odd lagoon]

i have 712 😮

[sage tulip]

@sturdy dagger with ur macro

idk wheres my audio but ye

[sturdy dagger]

Its not synchronized because it takes 633 milliseconds after SS to even be able to start attacking, so if you press macro right after SS, it desyncs.

[sinful jasper]

i just tested now, i only macro t
Then i hold rmb with my mouse that spam t and i also hold the lmb of my mouse

its working pixel perfect

[sturdy dagger]

Yep, that works too, i stopped using it too because it is more easy to just hold LMB and self click RMB

[vale idol]

how do you not run out of focus with this tho?

[sage tulip]

infinite focus dummy

[vale idol]

no I mean in real gameplay

[sturdy dagger]

You manage with skills that fill focus

Thats why i also stopped macroing xD

[sage tulip]

fissure or raid or rush

or falcon

[sinful jasper]

so u macro lmb (r) and u hold rmb with ur mouse ? like this ?

[sturdy dagger]

The other way around, hold LMB and you can macro just RMB

[sinful jasper]

k

[sturdy dagger]

The only reason you would macro RMB is to space it equally between LMBs, less buttons in a macro less chance to fail

Also, if anyone wants 2-5 free MS, you can get it from your network settings (device manager > network adaptors > chose your network)
What this does, it shaves off the windows waiting time on batching internet packages and instead delivers them faster (this is a PC bottleneck for helping your CPU reduce load). The load on CPU is 2-5 %, depending on CPU.
It got me under from ~24 ms to ~18 ms just from this change. Maybe works for you guys too. Pic below.
Edit: Higher value = more MS, 256 is a sweet spot, default is set around 1000. You can go even lower at 128 but there is a higher chance for package loss.

[sage tulip]

^this is with mine T R R T 0.001s, i dont think i can make it any better

idk

could try xmouse button maybe it depends on software aswell

[sturdy dagger]

If it works for you, sure, keep it. But i bet it will work the same way even at 0.009s,

Thats your FPS limit

[sage tulip]

i tried and it starts tweakin

skips lmb

and stuff

[sturdy dagger]

Hmmm, strange, but i cant say much as i am only around 70% of understanding this stuff out of tests and such between fps and ms. So, sorry for the confusion.

[sage tulip]

all good dw, idk either

just trying to get better

wish we had fps not capped tho

[sturdy dagger]

If you can upload it to youtube or something where i can see frame by frame, i can let you know if you are even at max or need more optimization

[humble saddle]

Macro works fine on y but as soon as i go dungeons it doesn't lol

[sage tulip]

best i get is 12 rmb / 11 lmb

[humble saddle]

Likely fps but dont what to do as what ever i change fps stays in same range, playing at 4k woth 4090

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah you are almost perfect, the only thing i see not perfect is your SS timing, you can do DT ani cancel with SS but you do it for ES but i guess that timing is only possible with purple SS

[trim socket]

WTB my old dragontongue in area 😦

[sage tulip]

hmm purple SS is just lower cd or?

[wooden rain]

yes

[lean sundial]

Transmit Buffers limit is 128 here, when receive can be set to 256 (defaulted to 512)

[sturdy dagger]

If its more then 256 its more MS, if its lower is better

I went for 256 as a sweet spot, lest chances for package loss (inconsistancy)

Edited too with info, thanks for pointing that out

[burnt helm]

🤔 anyone else test that?

[sturdy dagger]

This also adds a bit of heat to your CPU if its badly ventilated, old setup or old paste. can add 5% more heat in those cases.

[drowsy palm]

stoopid

yes, but you can also go 5 bright 3 kaari at a certain treshhold

always full ap

maybe i should update my guide next days

i was just missing 2 but after i spend last 2 days around 20k on it im now on 3 kaari

[odd lagoon]

full bsh will be better right? or also such a pain then

[wooden rain]

probably even more pain seeing it's purple

[drowsy palm]

it depends, i would say full bsh and 5 bsh 3 kaari is BiS depending on how good u get the other gear

if you f2p, 3 kaari 5 profane

[tough robin]

if you can max out 8 profane it's also very decent, most whales do that bc it's less pain

[drowsy palm]

decent

tell that my alts

😉

[tough robin]

like noush and adox are playing 8 profane and doing just fine

[drowsy palm]

well

doing "fine"

xd

[tough robin]

yeah fine is a bad choice of word

[drowsy palm]

its like they could do way better

[odd dagger]

kari is honestly so overated , if you want to end up with overall more crit , you should simply go 8 profane if you are maxing it.

[odd lagoon]

exactly because im not interested in more crit, im interested in more cdmg

[drowsy palm]

kaari is crit damage

profane crit rate

[tough robin]

Maria

can you check my F3

[odd dagger]

Kari 3 profane 5 - 76 crit dmg
Profane 8 - 24 CD 60 crit

This was the difference b/w kari and profane.
but if you have 3 profane vs 3 kari

24 CD 145 Crit vs 76 crit dmg.

[tough robin]

where do i get more cdmg

[drowsy palm]

not ingame

[tough robin]

[jaunty lark]

Profane helps if you have skill isaue cuz debuf resist. Otherwise. 5 bright its better min max. I have skill issue so i go profane KEKW

Its not complicated so there needs to be a debate

[odd dagger]

idk if 50 more crit dmg is worth more than 145 crit.

[jaunty lark]

Kari is lame ,straight up

[tough robin]

5 brightstone is also super expansive

[jaunty lark]

Ye it is

[drowsy palm]

I MEAN

take what u want

[jaunty lark]

Tho being fair, at least my rng

[drowsy palm]

doesnt change facts 😄

[jaunty lark]

I have more chance of crit lanes with bright that i ever had with profane

Maria u look extra salty today lmao 🤣🤣

[drowsy palm]

^^

[tough robin]

i mean

Maria and I are in the same bot regarding crit rate, we don't really need more

cdmg is where we gain dmg

[drowsy palm]

maria and i

[tough robin]

so kaari isn't a bad idea

[drowsy palm]

sounds like a new movie name

or song name

[tough robin]

a bad one

[jaunty lark]

I mean , it isnt bad

But idk if the gain is as much

Maybe it is, dunno. But if ur min maxing at that lvl then imemasn you talking with maxed ss

[odd dagger]

but the question is do you guys gain enough from 50 crit dmg , compared to 145 crit rate?

[jaunty lark]

So

[jaunty lark]

With that high crit rate i guess they do

[tough robin]

i do yes

3k3 crit with purple cyclone and soon purple stone slash, i don't really need the crit rate

but i have 5 brightstone so i'm not even considering kaari anyways

like my soulshields are done

[jaunty lark]

That is also itm. The moment karinsi worth

Its like, do u wanna even bother to do psyches and prime again

[drowsy palm]

ok for you poor guys

i add it to my sheet

@jaunty lark u happy now

give me that 5 minute work back

https://tenor.com/view/salt-salt-intensifies-salty-gif-12158900

[tough robin]

idk where to get more cdmg

[odd dagger]

you need to add the crit rate primer difference to

[drowsy palm]

you can do it for me

❤️

[odd dagger]

+30~ more on profane

[drowsy palm]

oof

ok

i do it on my own

-.-

[hollow karma]

probably you just have to replace the blue psyches on ur soul shield/ bottom accessory with purple psyches for cdmg

other than that, getting cdmg on ur gears main stats where u dont have it

[tough robin]

but that doesn't get me even close to the 3k the whales have

cause like top accessories crit dmg psyche is a scam

[hollow karma]

i think it does actually

well

[tough robin]

sorry, fixed

[hollow karma]

you need crit rate and cdmg both on every piece of gear

then upgraded mystic badge too, better soul core too

its really squeezing out every last drop of stat available tho i wouldnt worry about it yet xD

[tough robin]

oh my soul core needs saving for sure

[hollow karma]

yeah soul core is rly annoying

[tough robin]

im tempted to just buy 5 1k ones and gamble

maybe i get purple devourer with cdmg crate and be done forever

[drowsy palm]

no primer

[burnt helm]

350crit loss by not going bright

[drowsy palm]

350?

math genius

ok im to salty

i leave chat for now, u have what u wanted enjoy

@jaunty lark

[worn jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/warriors-curry-salty-salt-bae-gif-9632449

[jaunty lark]

i mean XDDD

[burnt helm]

am I reading that incorrectly? 1757-1409 = 348 🤔

[drowsy palm]

yeah sorry im annoyed by people rounding up

[worn jewel]

You must really hate BnS. They love rounding

[burnt helm]

I got gaslit into thinking I can't do basic math

[drowsy palm]

you mean chest size?

[worn jewel]

Chests are the only thing they don't round. Those puppies are torpedos.

Especially Gon.

[drowsy palm]

.d

@burnt helm how is your math school going

[jaunty lark]

and somehow ppl still prefer playing the rat lyns

smh

[drowsy palm]

you get A+ with rounding? xd

[burnt helm]

I failed 6th grade

[worn jewel]

Must not be American. We graduate people who can't read

[drowsy palm]

i wonder how i wonder why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVOM71RXl24

[burnt helm]

you might be right, rounding was the problem

[drowsy palm]

😄

[odd lagoon]

did the same today with calculator and memorized it, thats why im a bit annoyed that i spent so much (for my circumstances) for only 29 more critdmg with 3 Kaari which would be powercrept by full BSH

im playing 3 kaari 5 bright atm , my brights are garbage

and i dont even know how 200 piercing is compared vs +29 cDMG, my feeling says piercing is better at this point

[rain nimbus]

Hey

Aren't all soul cores eventually getting the 45ap or whatever? Making gubong not the bis pve

[tough robin]

i have no idea

[drowsy palm]

well piercing is good for everything besides worldboss and dummy

[sage tulip]

someone did mention that yeah, idk

[drowsy palm]

and BSH want powercreep

im waiting for lab

[queen marsh]

@fickle loom Do you still have that crit rate/crit damage chart? I think it was you who sent it

[merry prairie]

what chart

[queen marsh]

The per point value thinggy

[merry prairie]

values on %?

[queen marsh]

ye

[merry prairie]

Just use a calculator

[queen marsh]

Thanks fren

[merry prairie]

https://akouniza.github.io/Neo-Website/percentagescalculator.html

[drowsy palm]

primers

[queen marsh]

I need to integrate it in a sheet

So I need the actual values

[merry prairie]

Ooooh, you're calculating best value for money in stats?

[sage tulip]

damn those lab shields are miles ahead

[queen marsh]

Nah eventually I want to do a full BM calculator

And so part of that will be calcing the crit value

[drowsy palm]

BM Calculator?

[burnt helm]

seems according to yast on update 19.03.2025 every core got ap

[drowsy palm]

if you calculate anything, please dont round up

[worn jewel]

I didn't know Mushins dropped wood fragments

[sage tulip]

i see, so most likely we are getting that at some point

[burnt helm]

shees that's like 10k more crit rate than profane, insane

[merry prairie]

Yeah, can drop crit primers as well if you're really lucky

[worn jewel]

I have once again successfully transmuted 25 green books into 5 green books without getting those worthless blues

Just think of all the inventory space I saved

[burnt helm]

nice

I suffer from the same affliction

[drowsy palm]

the problem is

you not crafting enough

its like if blaze would try to craft 5x and tell us its 10

okok im sorry

xd

[burnt helm]

LMAO

all good I find it funny

[hybrid willow]

only for 45

its mentionned

[jaunty lark]

POG

Meteor strike hype

🙏

[odd dagger]

omg scarlet breeze inc

[burnt helm]

you guys are awful

[sage tulip]

[burnt helm]

with how much I like my counter

this is unusable

[odd dagger]

[burnt helm]

progress

not too shabby I think

[queen marsh]

That's fcked dude

Why would they make the crit rate a log

Like

Why do this

Who hurt them

[jaunty lark]

reduces cooldawn POG

[nova lotus]

does anyone know cost of fusing BSH soulshields?

[burnt helm]

pog 😔

[jaunty lark]

Unpopular opinion. The 50 books should at least be salvageable

[merry prairie]

If you actually put your crit values in the calculator you will se it's exactly the same as the sheet

[burnt helm]

Unpopular?

[lean sundial]

Made the switch from Blade Strike to Block Parry today after selling a Sailor outfit

[nova lotus]

Id say bound selectables, random tradables if they want to give any boxes that feel rewarding to player

[queen marsh]

Bro took a frozen opinion and called it hot lmao

[burnt helm]

Considering it's only 1 purple, a selectable would indeed be nice

[worn jewel]

Just need another 750 CR and 600 CD to reach what Maria calls "midgame" stats. 😭

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-not-going-to-happen-not-happening-gif-12587611

[jaunty lark]

Thats the real mob maxing 🙏

[drowsy palm]

wow u got 800 ap already oof

gz

[queen marsh]

I'm like 1.5% done, this is huge progress

[drowsy palm]

i dont even know what u doing there

[queen marsh]

For real this is going to take a while just to have the base template One day, in many months once the game's finally dead, I'll maybe have the frame data and a way to track focus recovery over time

[queen marsh]

Right now just pasting every single skill, their MV, focus recovery/cost, once I'm done with that I'll put a rotation maker that way you'll be able to have an estimate of your damage over a rotation, the things I'm going to have missing is tracking cooldowns, states (like BDR), tracking focus recovery over time (like from cyclone or vortex wave) and of course more importantly the frame data of every move

But that'll come later when I really want to be depressed

Honestly, a lot of that might have to be done in an external script, I'll have to check in with my local excel expert

[drowsy palm]

whats the target

just track focus rec over time?

[burnt helm]

Aye, I'm closing in on Noush's 1k ap

[queen marsh]

Tracking anything over time like I said; special states (BDR, whether you're in draw stance or not), ideally one day DoTs, focus recovery over time come to mind

I'm sure I'm missing some

[drowsy palm]

but what is your target with that

just have a list of everything?

[queen marsh]

Rotation/gear checker. Parse your rotation in, see what comes out. Change your gear, see the improvement

Let me take an example from the numbers crunching goat hold on

So this is for wuwa in this case, you can see here you pick your chars, gear etc etc... And at the bottom you put your rotation in. In her case because she's a wizard, it tells you if a move you're making is illegal (for instance because of CDs or energy) and then it shits out your estimated DPR, DPS, damage share etc

[drowsy palm]

intresting

[burnt helm]

I see a lot of numbers prime for rounding

[queen marsh]

You will have your decimals and you will like it

[drowsy palm]

i dont think it is giving a benefit tbh

[burnt helm]

I agree, decimals aren't a benefit over rounded numbers

[merry prairie]

Master Maygi's wuwa sheets are amazing indeed

[queen marsh]

It wouldn't if skills didn't cost an arm

But they do

[queen marsh]

She's getting more depressed by the day making it lmao

[merry prairie]

If only we had someone as dedicated as her in all games that optimize all rotations and dmg calc everything 😳

[burnt helm]

and you're goind down that route

[queen marsh]

Fissure is 5 hits right?

Or is it four

[drowsy palm]

i mean just go on and we see , i just think u wasting your time there

[queen marsh]

[merry prairie]

5 hits, just tested

[queen marsh]

Thanks fren

[hard iris]

How do people go about farming the Skyhaven resistance card buff?

[odd dagger]

fuse and pray

[hybrid willow]

WTS

[lean sundial]

spin a lot of wheels for moonwater blue cards

fuse them

[hard iris]

any good wheel or are they all about the same?

[lean sundial]

I honestly don't know, soz

[hard iris]

[lean sundial]

would have to check the rates on every essence

Sajifi is 2%

[odd dagger]

all 3 are 2% , jst buy the cheapest essence

[hard iris]

Thanks mate, despite Sajifi having better rates I think I spin Kaari for a minute to get the last soulshield double crit

[odd dagger]

isnt safiji more expensive than profane

[lean sundial]

Kaari is a purple card

[odd dagger]

or has it gone down

[hard iris]

both about the same rn

[lean sundial]

3.5 unit on both rn

lycan has 3.83

but no one spins that

[odd dagger]

i fused like 5 times, i cant even the blue card i need

[queen marsh]

Kaari is purple, it's 0.5%

[lean sundial]

we're going for the new one chat, right?

[spiral sky]

why u want damage if u dont crit?

[burnt helm]

I'd def grab more crit

[lean sundial]

kept old

[queen marsh]

Light BM officially better than heavenly slasher BM

[spiral sky]

slasher blue sux

[queen marsh]

I'm choking on copium atp

[queen marsh]

Listen

Let me have this ok?

[spiral sky]

need at least purple

[queen marsh]

I mean I need purples too

No multislash No stacked book

Also, 5 ap away from every "700+" not auto refusing me despite me probably having as much if not more dps than them

[brave pendant]

what do you need multislash for?

[queen marsh]

BDR uptime

[brave pendant]

just lightning things I guess

[queen marsh]

I have a part of my rotation where I'm just standing there like an idiot having to cancel with no BDR, immediately run out of focus, use filler skills til I do, go back to anim cancel like an idiot with no BDR etc

If I'm tanking it's one thing because vortex wave

If I'm not it's rough

[burnt helm]

7k dps with 700ap?

[queen marsh]

What light + no crit rate does to amf

[lean sundial]

Me being gatekept from 720 at 717 despite being top dps by a large margin

[burnt helm]

[queen marsh]

My crit ratio is looking like

1k6/760 lmao

[burnt helm]

I thinks I've been lucky, I apply to parties that ask for more than I have an usually get in

[burnt helm]

Sheesh, I've finally got some psyches which made me hump fro. Like 2 to 2.5

[hard iris]

AP doesn't reaally mean anythign beyodn 650+ most ppl are usually bad if they aren't tryhards and hover around 3-5k dps

[burnt helm]

Failing the rng sucks ass tho

[queen marsh]

Yeah basically

The average for 700 ap-ish tends to be around 7 to 9k

[brave pendant]

to get more AP you have to get lucky with insignia and bonds

[queen marsh]

It's unironically rare that I see someone above 10k

Even mfs with like 2k5 crate and 1k5-2k cdmg

Which is wild to me

Case and point, that FM is the lowest AP in the group lmao

[burnt helm]

I'd wager most of us usually top the dps meters in our parties

[jaunty lark]

accurate nick lmfao

[queen marsh]

Book stacking does a lot too

[jaunty lark]

bruh

[odd dagger]

i wont lie, i think nobody checks what leader stat is if you make pt.
I have to constantly put 600+ AP in BBR to make people join the pt despite my alt being 587 . If i dont put any AP number nobody joins.

[queen marsh]

I usually write a funny message

That gets people in

And I don't like gatekeeping lower gear fellas from groups

[burnt helm]

I check every party leader

[odd dagger]

[burnt helm]

If I see a 800crit rate lead I usually don't apply

Cuz smth tells me he might not pick good people either

[odd dagger]

good thing my alt is 1200

[burnt helm]

I'd apply with that

Feels like that's bare minimum to me

[odd dagger]

cba to farm that soul core for 600+ ap when i alr out dps most of the lobby

[hard iris]

I don't really look at anythign beyond 650+ AP it's jsut a gamble, since u can just buy most of it, seen a lightnign bm with 711 AP doing 3k dps

[queen marsh]

What was blud doing

[burnt helm]

I've seen 730fm doing 6k, it really is impossible to know

[hard iris]

he also had liek 2.3kcrit jsut for reference

[odd dagger]

i feel like these days the quality kinda improved though

[queen marsh]

What

How

Sometimes I look at people's DPS and I'm just like

Give me your gear pretty please ?

[brave pendant]

really depends on the boss

[queen marsh]

You'll get the odd like kfm who doesn't know how to 2RF or the FM with a bricked build every now and then

But other than that yeah it's been better than it used to be

[brave pendant]

dps on bug will be much higher vs chef / poh

[queen marsh]

I mean if you poh tank is good it won't

A good FM tank turns poh into baylee

[hard iris]

I really don't judge people that can't play the game or don't caer enough to learn, I'll block them after the encounter and call it a day

[odd dagger]

ya with good fm or really high dps pt , poh is sitting duck

[brave pendant]

there's still barely anything to parry vs poh. less if she stands still but more dps.

[hard iris]

and then u start outdpsing the fm

[tough robin]

i wait for so long before attacking poh when a fm wants to tank

but it's pointless, just learn her patterns and tank her

[queen marsh]

My favorite trope is low dps/low gear fckers aggroing the boss when nobody's ready

[brave pendant]

I remember in 1 run getting only 1 block off vs poh. and then the rest are unblockable. Pretty much need shoulder charge immunity cyclone to get anymore focus vs her

[tough robin]

her jump is blockable, her dash in is blockable, her wide minigun attack is blockable

you can use tigers to generate more blocks if you need them

[queen marsh]

The issue isn't really what is or isn't blockable

It's that she moves all over the place

Her patterns are easy that's not really an issue but the team dps tanks unless you get her against a wall

And keep her there

[brave pendant]

I can't remember if I blocked the cone attack or the jump down. she was permanently in the middle due to a summoner tank and never did anything else

[tough robin]

have enough party dps so she stays in the middle

[odd dagger]

a good melee tank will keep her on wall with all attacks facing same way

[queen marsh]

Truege

[queen marsh]

Yeah i'd rather just get an overgeared FM to tank her tbh

[odd dagger]

or if u are really good ,u can straight up make her always stay in mid during her back flip

[queen marsh]

Fuse two, get two

It's as simple as that guys

Why didn't we think of it sooner

[tough robin]

get 2 anklebiter

[queen marsh]

Obviously they're both crap but

[tough robin]

that'll teach you

[queen marsh]

Not that far off

[tough robin]

oh it's even worse

got it

[odd dagger]

same thing different flavour

[queen marsh]

Does anyone buy koldrak's

Or does it go into the fragment pile

[tough robin]

anything under 500 goes into fragment here

[odd dagger]

350 pile

[burnt helm]

Had an FM in party who aggrod the boss and just kept running around, doing barely any dmg but so was I cuz I couldn't hit the damn boss 😭

[queen marsh]

Eh I need moolah I'll just put them up for 50 under current price and see what happens

[queen marsh]

There was this one BD who had like 2k dps and just kept aggroing kitchen before anyone had time to do anything

Trap ahh runs

[tough robin]

ffs

i'm in the front of wb and i can't do anything

fix the game i beg

[lean sundial]

soon

[hard iris]

[lean sundial]

name checks out

[hard iris]

Moonwater alt

[tough robin]

it's unplayable

i was standing there

not able to hit the boss

because of rubberband

changed character

came back

same thing

then i die because apparently my character was on the opposite side of the arena, yep

[merry prairie]

Finally got top 10

And also minareow is a beast! 😳

[burnt helm]

Any pierce enjoyers in that list

[merry prairie]

KekeGenkai is pure fire, rest hybrid and me and Bsch are puncture

[jaunty lark]

what a surprise

actually didnt expected it at all

[sage tulip]

[burnt helm]

Sadge

[merry prairie]

I remember Bsch was hybrid as well before he switched and still was top 5 so build doesn't matter lmao

Just hybrid is strongest if you don't stack purple dt

[burnt helm]

I need to find piercers to compare with my own

[merry prairie]

Moa is pierce enjoyer, just talk to her hahah

[tough robin]

Pure fire?

how many DTs

[worn jewel]

What do you parse on the 45 green dummy in Mushins?

[queen marsh]

Probably less than a good baylee

On a good baylee I'm at 8.8 or so

[merry prairie]

Just stacking blue dts, but has purple sunstroke and a purple dt

[odd dagger]

pierce build is is the lightning of basic stance

[merry prairie]

Naah Moa does a lot of damage lol, not as troll as lightning

[burnt helm]

Don't say that

I can't afford puncture

[hard iris]

why is everythign extracting gold from me

[queen marsh]

tell me about it

[little moat]

Just like real life.
Escapism is a lie

[burnt helm]

Not only gold, getting the crafting mats is so ass too

[slender kelp]

most annoying thing is the crafting mats are also upgrade mats, reroll mats for badge effects, etc so you have to pick one because you won't have enough for the rest

[burnt helm]

Ye..

Can't progress on primers because psyches use mats

Wasting it on rng is so 😔

[hard iris]

I'll do primers first then pyches

[burnt helm]

I had to gamble a bit

I have 2.5k/1k ratio

I wonder if I get more cr or get some cdmg now

[queen marsh]

You can just spend the gold (that you don't have) to spend on materials

[slender kelp]

why is the pierce mystic badge so bad 😔

[jaunty lark]

fr

and not like u cant farm them reliable so

[worn jewel]

Just farm PvP where you can afford to buy .5 of 1 material per 15 minute match.

[jaunty lark]

play sin so get more points and more mats 😎

i mean, wood fragments at least you can use the fodder brightstone, but again its wasting blessing on that

jewels for sirens.. but not much

weapons its literally non existent xd

[warped hawk]

been using hybrid instead of fire but I dont any increase in dmg, it even feels like im doing less lol is there any other thing i need to do apart from rbm-lbm spam?

[queen marsh]

How many DT/LB are you doing per SS

Could be your ping just ain't good for that build

[slender kelp]

Yep, i tried hybrid on 55-60 ping and it legit felt impossible with how much delay there was

[drowsy palm]

What do you mean

🙂‍↕️

[little moat]

Since I got 3 blue dt books I am a 600dps increase playing hybrid playing in 50ms.
Fire is eassier but also has less slack in the SS cd generation.

In the end in 20.4k fire, 20.9-21k hybrid on the dummys.

At fights hybrid gets better because the ss cd reduction.

My anicancel is by no means great but im at 10-10 or 11-10 regularly wich is better then pure dt atm.

[lean sundial]

15k sustained on baylee

[little moat]

Hybrid?

[lean sundial]

yeah

[little moat]

Heck yeah

We poppin'

[lean sundial]

I may be ready for bsh

[little moat]

I've added 2 blue DT's for a total of 3 and pure fire is now equal to hybrid

But hybrid has 6s to spare on sunstroke cd, makes it so much safer

[lean sundial]

mystic dt?

[little moat]

Ye

Fire is still awefully close to hitting cd lol

got like 1 or 2 dts to spare

If i gotta block or iframe I prob miss it and hit ss cd

💀

[lean sundial]

switching from blade strike to block parry

is just an extra peace of mind

[little moat]

U should buy my purple blade strike

(I should prob just salvage it and gamble for purple dt in the longrun)

[lean sundial]

sorry

[little moat]

1.24k? Thats more then my blade strike

Its on the market for 1.2k

[lean sundial]

the rest of that purchase history is sad

[little moat]

Woeff you are psyching alrrdy

[lean sundial]

earring, ring, necklace

it's not like those accessories were going to change any time soon

[little moat]

Oh yeah I did those 3 with 180-250 critrate aswell

But soul shield psyches 💀

[lean sundial]

tried my luck !

[little moat]

Piercing

Lmao I tried evolving my necklace, failed and cost 15g

I now have 22 silver left.

I did not do the maths correctly

[lean sundial]

tried evolving my earrings yesterday

failed twice

-50g

[little moat]

Rngezus hates us

I can't even do mushin daily cuz I got no silver

[lean sundial]

first thing daily are faction dailies

so I get neough gold for it

[little moat]

Never!

Screw faction dailys

[lean sundial]

but

leg blueprints 😦

[little moat]

320g to make a legendary

U think i'll ever have that gold?

Cmon

[lean sundial]

actually you can

remote turning in the 5f quest gives you 69s

you need 10s for the 4f pill

[little moat]

But I can't even tp there and do f4

Cuz toghetters thats 34s

[lean sundial]

what

where are you teleporting from

gunwon

seolak

[little moat]

Jade

oh wait it's 9 silver

My math is not mathing

3 silver left

[lean sundial]

4 days in a row no dokumo first spin

[little moat]

Everything but dokumo

[lean sundial]

junghado doing his red combo at 70% that's new

[merry prairie]

Shouldn't you just roll over mushin tower with 15k dps?

[brave pendant]

I think that happens if he's cc'd too much in a row. Happened on my BD when he got kicked down and grabbed over and over again

[lean sundial]

Oh I'm definitely steamrolling it

[burnt helm]

I'm glad to know I'm not the only dokumo hater

[gilded thistle]

Freaking spider eww

[burnt helm]

jesus insignias went down in price heavily

[lean sundial]

All my homies hate dokumo

That's the one blue I'm like never doing when the 3 others are super fine

[wooden rain]

You basically have to play basic stance against dokumo

[lean sundial]

Or not get aggro if it's skittering (not possible)

With similar (midgame) investment all builds should perform roughly the same, right?

Like I wouldn't be doing 30% extra by going basic / puncture build (with similar blue investment)?

[tough robin]

no you wouldn't indeed, except if you play light

hybrid is a close second to basic stance

[brave pendant]

I don't know if blue puncture is playable. You'll run out of focus in 2 seconds even with crits. Pierce should be close to DT if playing on higher ping though.

[tough robin]

the real advantage basic stance has is book stacking is more efficient than on hybrid

[lean sundial]

And since I much prefer the hybrid/fiee playstyle, sticking to that one

[brave pendant]

DT stacking is performing quite well but DT prices...

[lean sundial]

I think I'll get a blue raid to bump that focus recov to 4 and I should be good for now ig

[brave pendant]

blue raid for hybrid or basic?

[tough robin]

DT stacking is fine but the %dmg of DT in hybrid is lower than the pierce/puncture %dmg in a basic stance build

[lean sundial]

Hybrid

[brave pendant]

Right now I still have blue raid that's left over from my transition from DT to basic. Probably not very good compared to another pierce book even though it does recover some focus in draw stance

[lean sundial]

Almost at 6k dg, surely spending 300ish for raid won't be an issue for accessories in a week or two

[merry prairie]

I would say hybrid is stronger than any other build at only blue skillbooks

[stray socket]

Fellow bm enjoyers

[merry prairie]

Puncture or pierce doesn't pull ahead unless you invest around 30k gems but at that point a hybrid build would be the same strength

[brave pendant]

With <50 ping, I'd agree with that. Hybrid is worse than DT at higher ping though

[stray socket]

anyone keeping an eye on market prices?

[lean sundial]

Depends if you're eu or na

[stray socket]

EU

goonwater

[brave pendant]

I have eyes on the NA market all day everyday. everything is overpriced

[lean sundial]

Whales were chatting about a few prices in #1342436486456414298

[stray socket]

i got lost in there

they are only talking about lightning

and if its worth to transmute

i just wanna know what was the lowest prices in blue books

[brave pendant]

I've only heard bad things about lightning

[lean sundial]

Last 15 messages were about puncture and cyclone

[lean sundial]

That's such a vague question though
Anything that's worthless is about 300dg

[tough robin]

Don't do lightning

Lowest prices are ~300 for books like honed slash

but i don't get the question

[merry prairie]

Prices of blue books are very stable now, just buy whatever build you like

[lean sundial]

Now if you're asking about "what build is cheaper to make with blues"

[tough robin]

Hybrid probably your best price/quality option at blue books.

[brave pendant]

on NA, purp puncture sells instantly at 30k. I'm pretty sure auto cyclone also is very expensive since it just boosts the whole basic stance by a lot

[stray socket]

its just im trying to buy pvp skills

but their prices go up and down

[lean sundial]

That's called a market buddy

Less supply in the morning

[stray socket]

yes thats why im asking

[lean sundial]

Prices go up

[stray socket]

if someone is keeping an eye

buddy

[merry prairie]

Purple pvp skills cheap as hell, just buy those going for 2-4k lol

[brave pendant]

all pvp books should be selling at 300

[tough robin]

well ask clearly "is anyone keeping an eye on pvp books" instead of "what are the cheapest blue books"

[brave pendant]

eventually

[lean sundial]

Nobody cares about pvp builds enough (minus killing god ig)

To warrant "keeping an eye" on them

6v6 is pure luck

[stray socket]

hmmm

@tough robin i guess i didnt

[lean sundial]

Will the 4 sh.tters be in your team or the opponents

[stray socket]

kinda true

but i still find fun in pvping there

[brave pendant]

yeah if I see a BM on the opp team with actual pvp skills I'll just run away. if they want the win so bad they are paying for a whole other set of accessories and books I'll let them have it

[stray socket]

and i barely play so i dont really have that much divine gems to throw away

trying to get pvp skills as cheap as i could

[lean sundial]

They'll all sell forn300-350

Nobody cares about pvp

[stray socket]

Not like i blame them tbh

[merry prairie]

yeah and purple pvp skills are not even needed

[stray socket]

yup just blue

[lean sundial]

DPS skills though, since you're competing with pve boys like us

[merry prairie]

Or wait, purple pvp skills do matter (buy my take flight plz)

[lean sundial]

Sure you've got your entire utility kit for 1500 dg grats but you're doing 0 dmg

[stray socket]

Speaking of pve, very dumb question but

What is the meme build rotation

[lean sundial]

Lightning is meme

[stray socket]

i mean

lunar slash and puncture

[lean sundial]

"meme"?

[stray socket]

u can look up my profile and judge "ImBlade"

[brave pendant]

yeah you can do that. lunar slash combo and puncture combo

[lean sundial]

That's one of the higher dps build

Heavenly Slasher is meme

[brave pendant]

can do it twice but hits pretty hard in those 2 rotations

[stray socket]

whats the rotation tho

or like

how does it work

just to make sure im not doing it wrong

[merry prairie]

What do you mean, just press all buttons

[brave pendant]

it doesn't

[burnt helm]

lmb tab rmb

[lean sundial]

Lmb tab rmb

[stray socket]

LMAO

[lean sundial]

Get 4 bazillion crit rate

[burnt helm]

youre gonna have issues with blue puncture tho

and low crit

thats' 3 focus per cast

[lean sundial]

Get all the focus recovery you can

Puncture requires at least purple to work

[stray socket]

Well yeah im on blue

[merry prairie]

Yeah don't even bother with puncture

[burnt helm]

go blue pierce instead

[lean sundial]

^^^

[drowsy palm]

no

[brave pendant]

no don't make blue pierce book prices go back up

[burnt helm]

also you need cyclone lmb

especially with lower crit

[lean sundial]

[burnt helm]

otherwise you're praying on tab to crit

for your rmb to be instant

[stray socket]

well yeah i noticed that too

planning on getting it

[merry prairie]

You would say pierce is stronger than hybrid at blues?

[stray socket]

but the price rn is higher than usual

[gaunt jay]

The only way to generate threat is with mantra? Couse 4%...or even 10% sounds bad

[burnt helm]

so ye, swap to cyclone lmb and also go pierce

[drowsy palm]

yes

[burnt helm]

block has a taunt version

[stray socket]

damn, i pulled a virtuous soul badge for puncture

[merry prairie]

I highly doubt that unless proof

[gaunt jay]

Is 8 sec taunt with 30 sec cd...you cant perma tank

[burnt helm]

sell or keep for the future

[brave pendant]

I don't think pierce can beat a low ping hybrid player. I tried with similar gear but blue pierce still have focus issues where they burst big and then empty out after 10-15 seconds

[merry prairie]

^

[stray socket]

check my profile

i dont think my gear and skills says i whaled it LMAO

[burnt helm]

no she is talking to maria I believe

[merry prairie]

And even with 3,5k crit you would not outdmg a 3,5k crit hybrid with same gear

[stray socket]

ah

whats hybird btw

like, what are the skills

[burnt helm]

dragontongue with electric saber

[lean sundial]

Fire + Electric Saber LMB

[stray socket]

any clip of it

[burnt helm]

I beat a 730ap hybrid with my pierce

but they only have 1.6k crit

[lean sundial]

https://streamable.com/vlf1eg

[burnt helm]

and well, random parties tend to not do much damage anyway so it's hard to compare

[lean sundial]

Looks funny

[merry prairie]

pretty bad player then ngl

[tough robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9s7qcmIshU

[lean sundial]

Keep in mind this is on docus recovery dummy

[brave pendant]

those ani cancels are so smooth. am jealous with my high ping

[burnt helm]

yeah idk, it's always a coin toss with randoms

[lean sundial]

And you're always on the losing side

[brave pendant]

wish I had 12 ping

[burnt helm]

easy enough

move to frankfurt

[lean sundial]

I'm about 700km away from frankfurt

Usual tends to be 18-20
Exitlag makes it 12-13

[burnt helm]

2.3k here

36ms

surprised exitlag even makes a difference with that low of a ping

[lean sundial]

The major diff I can see is no ddos issue

Hopefully stuff gets fixed once that month of sub is over

[drowsy palm]

blue pierce does not implicate low crit.

correct your question then

pierce on blue > hybrid on blue

[burnt helm]

who knows

[drowsy palm]

hybrid on low crit and blue > any basic stance on low crit

you dont need purple books to have no focus issues

[burnt helm]

hey maria could I get some guidance rq

I have 2503.00 crit rate and 1037.00 crit damage, should I keep pumping crit rate?

[lean sundial]

You're playing basic (like your ign ) afaik so yeah probably

[burnt helm]

I do be piercing

[drowsy palm]

u play pierce

[brave pendant]

I had 2.9k crit on blue books only pierce. I was still behind hybrid that had about equal gear. after getting purp auto cyclone though my damage just went through the roof actually sustaining the rotation for longer

[drowsy palm]

u need to pump both tbh

how books look

[merry prairie]

Like, I know you're right that pierce can beat hybrid because I play puncture and I outdps most hybrid but I also can't deny that hybrid requires way less investment to outdps pierce

[burnt helm]

they be looking

[drowsy palm]

skill issue

[burnt helm]

💀

[brave pendant]

sure, block more difference

[drowsy palm]

i assume anicancel

and double rota

and bdr uptime without block

and 3 min rota

pierce is better - you just need to know what u do and play it properly

[jaunty lark]

I find monke more annoying, as whole dungeon

[drowsy palm]

dt is just braindead tab rmb lmb anicancel

same as in live , nearly

tab rmb all the way

[merry prairie]

There's too little pierce enjoyers on cinderlands for me to tell, most just go hybrid and top worldboss while turning off brain

[drowsy palm]

u have fissure

[burnt helm]

yes I do

[drowsy palm]

worldboss is different and got nothing to do with dps

[burnt helm]

doesn't pierce have an issue with WB due to having to block for bdr

also longer fights will favour simpler builds I think

[merry prairie]

Oh yeah ur right

[jaunty lark]

We have rejectes the pierce imposter. And embrace the true god and gigachad slasher 🙏 (DISCLAIMER, ITS A JOKE

[drowsy palm]

1. Pierce got passive Piercing on book
2. Piercing doesnt scale on WB cause WB is dummy with 0 DEF
3. Rarely block patterns on WB
4. Random Buffs changes everything

[tough robin]

Yeah pierce will underperform on WB because of vortex uptime + 0 def

[brave pendant]

there's barely anything to block vs meganura. I hate it. I have to shoulder immune a red attack to cyclone to get focus in desperate times

[drowsy palm]

eventho i can always make it top 3

so..

[tough robin]

gimme some pierces maria

[drowsy palm]

buy my full gear

[brave pendant]

DT builds just gets to blast WB for free standing on the side

[drowsy palm]

then i reroll to sin

[tough robin]

[burnt helm]

F

[tough robin]

just spend more and have 2 maxxed out chars smh

[gaunt jay]

Maria you know if they gonna put back the threat system? or now is only mantra?

[drowsy palm]

back to my old main i played for 5 years

[drowsy palm]

i dont know but i hope

[merry prairie]

While we're on this topic, is pierce stronger than puncture even with less purple books stacked? Thinking u need honed slash and stuff

[jaunty lark]

Ew, sin main

[drowsy palm]

if not, we wont have a cool time on later dungeons and raids

[drowsy palm]

said the guy who cant calculate Soulshields -.-

[tough robin]

mantras add up to quite a lot

[brave pendant]

at least for WB I don't think pierce stands a chance against puncture

[drowsy palm]

yep.

[jaunty lark]

I wasnt the one asking for that yesterday tho LEL. Iknow profane is far from optimal 🤣🤣

[brave pendant]

in the whale NA server, top 10 had maybe half stacking purp DT and half stacking purp punctures.

[gaunt jay]

How much? You can hold aggro if someone is doind 4k or 5k more damage than you?

[burnt helm]

having to rely on rng to be able to tank is ass

[tough robin]

ok but calling mantras "relying on rng" though

like sure they are rng but they are also very free to get

the annoying part is not getting the other effects

[drowsy palm]

sadge, atleast i remember blaze is already at ROUNDabout 1000 ap

[burnt helm]

I'm more than halfway to 1.5k actually

so i'm free to roundup

[drowsy palm]

we cant round that high brother 😄

chill 😄

[burnt helm]

no wait

[drowsy palm]

at 1001 we can

go straight to 2k

[gaunt jay]

But Moa...BM use to have 100% theeat base...now with mantra you have what...like 6% on block?

[drowsy palm]

i mean

[tough robin]

wait did bm have 100% threat?

[drowsy palm]

when we got HM levels?

[tough robin]

On a more serious note

mantras add up to a lot