Blade Master

[fickle loom]

i probably should tbf before people think im doing some kr build

[tough robin]

wasn't that good

[fickle loom]

im just gearing an alt

[tough robin]

oh on alt it's peak gameplay

understandable

[jaunty lark]

Next patch we gonna get a West exclusive slasher badge. You just see

🙏

[queen marsh]

If you see some ES for 500, buy them and sell them back for 1500

It's literally free money

[tough robin]

@fickle loom any reason you play puncture over pierce btw?

[queen marsh]

Does puncture pierce natural blocks btw?

[fickle loom]

cba changing build and i just dont really like pierce

[worn jewel]

Trouble is they don't sell at 1500. I've been checking the morning and the only one I've seen that sold was 800

[tough robin]

yeah i guess for the small diff it's not worth it

[queen marsh]

I literally sold one for 1600 like

13 hours ago

Could just be a server diff ig

[fickle loom]

plus we had a look at current KR WB rankings and top 4 was all puncture

[tough robin]

Well WB is a bit weird i don't see you can get full vortex value there, can you?

[queen marsh]

Same goes for cyclone tho

Which admitedly isn't as big a deal

[tough robin]

but you have other means of focus recovery, you don't have any other ways to get BDr

[queen marsh]

honed slash

But yeah that's about it

Multislash ig

[tough robin]

honed slash is good but it's a long cd, if you use multislash you're shooting yourself in the foot for focus rec

[queen marsh]

Agreedge

[tough robin]

also i just align honed slash with my 4 because i won't bother min maxing it fully

[queen marsh]

I feel that

[tough robin]

honed is 24 seconds cd, 4 is 36, i do lose a few casts but f that

[queen marsh]

Sometimes one less button to press is one less button to press

[tough robin]

"oh my 4 has 12 seconds remaining, my honed slash should be up"

yeah no f that

[queen marsh]

Oh semi related

How does the infernal lord soul core DoT scale

[tough robin]

absolutely no clue

[little moat]

Oh my honed slash should be up, who cares me press rb

[queen marsh]

Honed slash?

Never heard of it

[tough robin]

ill has seen the light, heavenly slasher was always an alt skill

deleting my bd, welcome second bm

you use all blessings on daily challenge + bsh farm on main

and then you swap and farm bad bug with the Heavenly slasher alt, this is paradise

[noble geyser]

Is HR being DDOS?

[tough robin]

is that an NA server?

[noble geyser]

Yes

[tough robin]

that'd be so much fun such bad news

[queen marsh]

What makes you think it is being ddosed?

[noble geyser]

First time ive ever been disconnected from the game, market stopped working and I could move rubber banding

[tough robin]

Oh oh

[queen marsh]

What was the DC like?

Error message?

[wooden rain]

if it happens once i wouldn't suspect ddos immediately

[noble geyser]

Error message too

[queen marsh]

Something like "systemerr 1000"

Or is it syserror 1000

[noble geyser]

Shoulda taken a picture of it

[queen marsh]

Either way yeah if this starts happening regularly

Welcome to the club

[noble geyser]

I got gains to make

I took a week off

[somber dagger]

if I get purple DT

by how much dps go up

I do like 15k dps right now

[tough robin]

pure fire?

[somber dagger]

full fire build

[tough robin]

a lot

[queen marsh]

You should get to like 17k (I made the number up, I have no clue)

[fickle loom]

high investment alt but so far its almost paid for itself from a purple tds drop

[somber dagger]

what is a lot

[fickle loom]

8.5k/15k paid

[wooden rain]

blue vs purple isn't as dramatic as green->blue

[somber dagger]

yeah ok but if you do purple

• 5 blue

DT

[queen marsh]

Green to blue for DT is ridiculous

[somber dagger]

it should be a lot

[noble geyser]

DT badge seems legit

[queen marsh]

MV goes from like 250 to 560

It's stupid

[somber dagger]

I still this badge tho

U got moonwater dragontongue mystic

I need virtuous

[wooden rain]

the first purple doesn't count for grandmaster tho

[noble geyser]

Yeah i got blue

[tough robin]

purple dt is pretty pretty good, mostly because it allows all your blues do be grandmaster

[queen marsh]

5 blue is still 10 grandmaster

[wooden rain]

so purple + 10 grandmaster is like what, 30% on dt damage

[queen marsh]

Look at the MVs

Should give you a rough idea

[tough robin]

8 gm is 15% grandmaster

[noble geyser]

Is the link to Yast in the pins?

[tough robin]

Motion values in bns

[queen marsh]

Yeah

The game has them

How do you think it calculates skill dmg lmao

[tough robin]

well every game has them technically

people just don't call the MVs here

[tough robin]

https://yast.vercel.app/?subView="SkillView"&p="NEOEU190325"

this is base yast

[queen marsh]

Skrill issue

[noble geyser]

blessed

[queen marsh]

Huh, the consecutive cast gain is the exact same

That's surprising

[tough robin]

yes it's the raw dmg that goes up quite a lot

[queen marsh]

So it's just a 55% mv gain

That's already pretty good

So roughly a 17% increase to the DT's damage

• the grandmaster

[tough robin]

i can now officially faceroll junghado with just ccs

[tough robin]

wait how does that work

[queen marsh]

I'm not clear on how the grandmaster multiplier works exactly

Which is why I didn't bother including it

[tough robin]

4 blues is 15.2%

[queen marsh]

It's only 2 more levels of grandmaster compared to where he's at currently

[queen marsh]

I know what the mults are, I just don't know how they work exactly

[tough robin]

5 blues is 19%

[queen marsh]

If they're final mults or added on top of the mv

[tough robin]

so would taht be 19% + 15% of 19% + 2%?

too complicated

[queen marsh]

What

[tough robin]

maths too hard im out

[queen marsh]

[tough robin]

19% from the mv alone - and then how do you add gm

idk

[queen marsh]

Like I said, depends on how they work

[tough robin]

maybe he just adds 2% from the extra gm

yeah

[queen marsh]

If they're final mults you basically just add it on top of the damage difference

[tough robin]

idk got no clue so iw on't talk about it it's more confusing than anything

[queen marsh]

So it'd be 17% (increase from blue to purple) + the extra 2 grandmaster's %age

So 17+3.6=20.6% damage increase from blue to purple in his case

For the DT alone

[tough robin]

let's say 20% and no one's gonna say otherwise

20% of smth that is probably 80% of your dps or smth is pretty huge

[queen marsh]

Which idfk let's say it's 60% of his damage, that's a 12% dps increase

I'm assuming it's more than 60% tho yeah

[tough robin]

depends on his badge too

DT badge it probably skyrockets

Sunstroke a bit less

[queen marsh]

But basically it's in the realm of 12 to 16% dps increase

[tough robin]

oh this is gonna be my 1st world boss with new build

please don't lag

[tough robin]

which is pretty significant for a single skill

[queen marsh]

So if he said he was at 15k, that's 17400 dps

[queen marsh]

fs

[tough robin]

that's why purple TDS is so crucial on lightning

the increase is huge AND you get the badge increase aswell

[queen marsh]

Tell me about it

[tough robin]

i think onion had TDS hitting for 25k or more

[queen marsh]

I mean the badge increase is static

[tough robin]

the absolute dream

[queen marsh]

It's always just 90% mv on top afaik

Unless the game straight up lies about what the badges do

[tough robin]

yeah it's just your ap not hte skill damage

[queen marsh]

Which, let's be real, it's BnS, it probably does

[tough robin]

but the number gets biiig

[queen marsh]

Meanwhile I'm sitting over here with my fcking

8.5k TDS

[noble geyser]

before i switched I was doing 7.5k

[queen marsh]

I haven't started stacking books yet

But I also only have like

2 skill slots left

[tough robin]

2 purple is a lot of grandmaster

[burnt helm]

bms be chatty

[worn jewel]

Not as yappy as Blade Cancers

[burnt helm]

oh lol jus tnoticed

[queen marsh]

Bunch of fakers

Think they're as good as us because they got "blade" in their name smh

[worn jewel]

If your class doesn't have Master in the title it's trash. Simple as

[noble geyser]

Can someone help me with a dps meter

[wooden rain]

as a KFM, FM, and BM player, I agree with this message

i will accept grab slaves though

[queen marsh]

No, that includes FMs

If your class isn't melee and doesn't have master in the title, it's trash

Boom, fixed

[worn jewel]

FMs are kino. They tank Poh and make life easy

[queen marsh]

You know what

Since we don't have an arena

I'll pause the FM hate

For now

[odd dagger]

there is too many low dps fms out there, i know for sure it aint some book issue cause i have seen average ass stat fms hit for good amt.

[wooden rain]

laggy people might gravitate towards a ranged class more

[lyric harness]

whoever selling this on NA for that price, stop wasting your gold, it hasn't sold at 35k for 6 days now it won't sell today, list it for 25k I'll buy it

[wooden rain]

you've said this enough times that i'm sure they've seen it by now if they're here

[lyric harness]

and I'll keep going

[noble geyser]

All it costed me was 2.3k gems and a lot of luck

[lyric harness]

see it as me caring for their gold

[burnt helm]

@tough robin 13 psyches later, only managed a 188 crit rate improvement

😔

[wooden rain]

psyches are one of the worst new "features" for gearing

[burnt helm]

im now at 2.2k but man it feels like ass

out of gems and out of powder

[queen marsh]

Yep

[hollow karma]

worst offense is the fms that run the boss like a maniac around the room when they get aggro

[little moat]

Never met an fm that holds aggro.

Even 750AP ones are doing barely 2k dps lol

[odd dagger]

classic fm players. but i have seen quite a few good ones.
I even underestimate someone with 1.5k crit rate and 700 crit dmg but he proved me wrong with his dps.

[hollow karma]

ive got a big whale in my group doing like 25k dps

probabyl should be doing alot more tho

[wooden rain]

my barebones alt at level 46 with all greens and 620 ap is dealing 6k+ on bay lee

no badge either

[hollow karma]

yeah there seriously are alot of people that for whatever reason dont know how to do dps

[lean sundial]

because there's no way to know if you're doing well or not 🙂

[wooden rain]

idk you could see how you're doing in mushin

or if you're grabbing aggro in random parties kekw

[noble geyser]

I need help with my meter

[wooden rain]

follow instructions on the page

i can assure you they work fine if you read properly

[noble geyser]

Ive done it 4 times

[wooden rain]

well there's your problem, you should only do it once

[burnt helm]

what's the issue

have you messed with your chat settings?

are you running as admin?

act reads from combat log so if you change that it wont work

[noble geyser]

Let me re launch as admin, and clear my chat log

Is it a problem of where i launch my bns

[wooden rain]

no

do you even get an overlay

[noble geyser]

Yes but when I go into the game it goes away

[lean sundial]

yes, that's literally written in the guide?

does it parse properly?

[noble geyser]

it doesnt even parse

[lean sundial]

Run ACT as admin
Plugins > Browse > NeoActPlugin.dll
Enable the plugin (tick the box)

In-game, right-click on your Combat chat log, Chat settings, scroll all the way to the bottom and tick Combat so that it parses your group

there, done

And for the overlay issue : Plugins > OverlayPlugin.dll > General, untick Automatically hide overlays when the game is in the background

(step 9 in the overlay part of the readme on github)

[noble geyser]

Thank you it was the combat chat window

My lightning makes me cry now that i can see the dps

[burnt helm]

shouldnt have done it

blissful ignorance someone said before

[lean sundial]

abort abort abort

[tough robin]

playing lightning without dps meter is a great feeling

and then you realize

[lyric harness]

who listed the purple sun stroke

surely you're here you just lsited it 3k cheaper

[little moat]

Your meter is fine Fio.

Ur just not in it cuz lightning

[noble geyser]

Oh no take flight here i coem

Wait a minute

Carried?

[lean sundial]

honestly the worst one out of the 3 imo

[noble geyser]

[little moat]

My blade strike doesnt even sell for 2k

[lean sundial]

I should probs upgrade from Blue BladeStrike to Blue BlockParry at some point

[jaunty lark]

wdym worst

[lean sundial]

Has no parry

[jaunty lark]

parry is only useful for munshin

[lean sundial]

and taking 0 dmg on block

[jaunty lark]

blade strike has 3 sec cd, the heck

lel

[lean sundial]

yeah you can't spam blade strike, well

never needed to

[jaunty lark]

dont need to spam, but sometimes i need more than one sec of block, so being able to block again its good,

[jaunty lark]

actually, doesnt purple warcry block heals u when blocking?

[noble geyser]

yes

1%

[jaunty lark]

Decent enoughç

[lyric harness]

parry has 1 second cd

[jaunty lark]

And again, if u are at the point of having freaking purple block, u dont need parry on munshin lel

[jaunty lark]

the skill has 3 sec sir, like LUL

[jaunty lark]

no, not that parry

[lyric harness]

1 second cooldown on parry

[jaunty lark]

blade strike

THAT parryh is the ideal

ye

[lyric harness]

blade strike is useless

[jaunty lark]

but check price

KEKW

[lyric harness]

price is like 1k

lmao

[jaunty lark]

oh, it went down

[lyric harness]

NA anyways

[jaunty lark]

ah welp

[jaunty lark]

i rolled warcry, so W/e lel

actually i dont see blade strike as bad on pvp, but maybe im coping hard idk

[lyric harness]

pvp on this game is just horrible, characters aren't even where they appear on the screen

[jaunty lark]

cuz block just gonna allow avg sin/kfm to cc u anyway

[lean sundial]

got blade strike for 300 when parry was still 3k+

needed hmb

[jaunty lark]

SAAAAAAAAAME

and i balded so hard until i rolled warcry

[lyric harness]

mine is a bound book

my parry

[jaunty lark]

huh, bound blue?

[lean sundial]

surely my sailor outfit will sell

[jaunty lark]

like the attendance one or what

[lean sundial]

and I'll get to buy parry

[lyric harness]

yeah from battlepass

[lean sundial]

surely battlepass next week will have purple books

[jaunty lark]

you guys pay for bp, huh

[lean sundial]

nope

[lyric harness]

yeah why not

[lean sundial]

it's a scam for now

the only real benefit is extra sales on the marketboard

but if you don't get enough loot or grind enough wheel essences, not worth it imo

[hollow karma]

when is next patch coming out? do we have an exact day yet or no

[worn jewel]

The assumption is the 8th when the battlepass ends

[hollow karma]

makes sense

we will see though i guess, nothing is ever really clear with this game it feels

[worn jewel]

No announcement yet though when we got the MWP announcement a week before

[hollow karma]

exactly

[tough robin]

i think they're kind of in trouble

like do they release patch if the patch killed neo in KR + the ddos still happening?

[noble geyser]

hOW DO I TELL THEM

[worn jewel]

Don't. I'm going into week 2 of trying to sell my lightning books at ever lower prices

[noble geyser]

im poor

I double the dps

[grave hawk]

you should swap to lightning

[worn jewel]

Yes, swap to lightning and buy my books

[noble geyser]

I was lightning

[grave hawk]

for how much are you selling? onion and ginyz are grabbing all books away

[worn jewel]

My blue TDS are down to 400

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

Any lower and I'm going to scrap them and gamble

[hard iris]

Any fireBM's what do u avrg in terms of dps. I feel a little weak 😭

[noble geyser]

depends on gear what average you looking for

green DT blue DT

[hard iris]

purple dt

right now I avrg. around 12k+ on bbr if I get a good run going, should I start working out my crit dmg or try to reach teh 2k crit rate puffer?

[noble geyser]

you have purple dt?

[grave hawk]

you should automatically get 2k crit rate with the primers

[hard iris]

yea I git it from my lv 50 purple box

[noble geyser]

Ill brb

[worn jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bachelor-so-happy-for-you-fake-not-happy-victoria-gif-16044729

[brave pendant]

Anyone else with purple block warcry not see the taunt part of the ability being available?

[jaunty lark]

sadly once u get the primers its hell to that bit more so, enjoy lmao

[odd dagger]

damn so many affordable blue skills now

[jaunty lark]

time to swap out of pierce build and this crit balding shenanigans

[tough robin]

just have more crits

[worn jewel]

If you're having problems with not critting enough just don't not crit.

[tough robin]

Crit as a stat is just a lie though

it's 50% always

either you crit or you don't, no such thing as crit rate

[spiral sky]

Thats a lie

Its 33%

U could miss

[tough robin]

sir that sounds like a you problem

[spiral sky]

[little moat]

What's a good "drain" effect cardset

I need a filter on effect button

[tough robin]

Poharan / Devourer

is the only accesible one that'll do smth

[little moat]

Ye I cant do that one

[spiral sky]

Get charms otherwise

[little moat]

Dont they stack?

There was one for 80 drain iirc

[spiral sky]

Cards doesn't stack

[little moat]

no i mena

[tough robin]

i think the question was cards + charm

[little moat]

charm + card

so 80 + 85

[spiral sky]

It should

Not 100% sure but if doesn't thats a dumb mech

[little moat]

This is what I got atm

But that last one obv isnt great without the full 4 xd

[spiral sky]

A tip that i give

[little moat]

So looking to replace it with a good Drain or Reflex

[spiral sky]

Dont waste on tenacity

Is a trap

Never saw trigger

[odd dagger]

how did u get yunma fei but not the other stuff for it

[little moat]

😂

I didnt

[odd dagger]

oh its 3 piece from other side

[tough robin]

this card set is op

[little moat]

Detect also kinda sounds sht doesnt it

[spiral sky]

I was there at some point

[odd dagger]

detect is good for mushin and skyheaven

it procs when enemy blocks or dodges

[spiral sky]

Needed to gamble on fusions

To get jungahdo

[odd dagger]

ya all my fusions been ass

trash ass game , i should never gamble

[little moat]

All my transmutes have been ass 😄

[young pulsar]

was looking at cards, what's twisted lycan? I have "sacred beast lycan"

[little moat]

8 purple gambels, 1 Purple blade strike, 7 shite boxes

[spiral sky]

I just need 2 poh cards

For drain one and ap

And i set

[odd dagger]

twisted is from boss / wheel

[little moat]

Gambled another purple chest, Blue soaring falcon

[worn jewel]

At least it's a usable book

[jaunty lark]

actually true lmfao

i have 1.9K crit rate now, which is 63% ish?

need more, im coping

[wooden rain]

pray for DT/SS

[tough robin]

idk what values you're looking at but it's waaaay below that

[jaunty lark]

two primers left and then will be all pysches

[noble geyser]

[wooden rain]

OMG

[spiral sky]

Copium, thats not 63

[noble geyser]

NO YOU DIDNT

sstop

[jaunty lark]

the only calculator ive seen, dunno if there is anything reliable

lel

[wooden rain]

now the real question is

use or sell

[worn jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[jaunty lark]

but ye, i know i need the 3k yada yada

[tough robin]

HUGEEEE

[jaunty lark]

ill just meme the slasher

[tough robin]

what build are you using Storm?

[wooden rain]

pure fire so it's not great for me

cuz i got purple dt

[tough robin]

bruh

are you using sun stroke badge?

if yes use

if not sell

[wooden rain]

yeah i am but i feel like DT damage outscales sunstroke spam

it's still good but that money is so juicy

[tough robin]

yeah the money is great for multiple things

especially if you already have purple dt

[odd dagger]

or jst max everything else

[wooden rain]

so i should list for 30k and annoy that one guy who keeps looking for a 25k SS kekw

[odd dagger]

imo purple Sunstroke dps increase isnt crazy enough to spend 20k

[jaunty lark]

holy, thats way worse than i thought

[wooden rain]

anyone looking to buy in EU?

[jaunty lark]

so at the very least i would need 2,6k

to be truly 50/50 kek

[burnt helm]

Gz

Waiting for the day I get a single good drop

[jaunty lark]

do u have something similar for accuracy btw?

[tough robin]

i think 800 is lvl 50 bosses

something along those lines

[worn jewel]

I'm almost there then, because every piece I get with crit on it also seems to think accuracy should come along for the ride

[brave pendant]

I can say with only 700 accuracy, I was missing a lot vs the lv47s at skyhaven.

[jaunty lark]

i heard say its was more like 1100

[tough robin]

that's my last piece that is not crate cdmg almost there, but i also have 68 gems so not getting that anytime soon

[jaunty lark]

but again, maybe not so

[tough robin]

That's piercing isn't it

[jaunty lark]

they were saying acc

but maybe i have monmke brain

[tough robin]

https://neo-b.xyz/calculators this is a calculator for lvl 50 bosses

at level 50

and i think you need ~105% acc?

don't quote me on that i'm not 100% sure

but thaat's what i remember

[jaunty lark]

based on that, 800 is 106

lets hope it is

so i dont bald

KEKW

[wooden rain]

well i listed it for 25k

will see if it sells or not

don't know actual price, it doesn't exist

[sage tulip]

eu?

[wooden rain]

yeah

[sage tulip]

it was around 25 yea

should sell

[burnt helm]

You're investing in brightstone? This close to new patch? (Supposedly)

[odd dagger]

i mean it will take a bit till the new ss pieces becomes better , since they are not a drastic increase

[sage tulip]

sold already? cant see any 💀

[lean sundial]

the secret 3rd option, give

[tough robin]

im not investing in it now, i invested early and i'm left with only this as a non crit/cdmg

also before 5 set Haemujin is doodoo

[wooden rain]

you would have to permanently be my carry buddy for that

and i'm not gonna play this game long enough to need a carry buddy

[lean sundial]

stick to bright/profane until hexwood, trust

[tough robin]

well hae mujin is legit not that big of an upgrade

assuming you go from maxed out 5 brightstone to maxed out 5 hae

it's like

5x15, 75cdmg?

and 75 crate?

that's rough

105 crate with the set bonus actually

and less than 5k hp

[hard iris]

I’ll probably stick to profane kaari not gonna reach hard cap on stats anyway and I think getting books is more important than min maxxing those stats

[brave pendant]

8 profane is plenty. HP and debuff resist will be quite useful until we learn how to take 0 damage in the new content

[tough robin]

8 profane is also easier to max

so yeah 8 profane is more than enough

[sage tulip]

bsh one looks more fresh

[lean sundial]

after roughly 700 spins, not all 8 profane are double crit

[brave pendant]

I slapped on primers and psyches on 8 profane. It'll last a good while

[tough robin]

i only went brightstone cause i got 3 very good pieces early

so i just felt like gamba for the other ones

[wooden rain]

wow it already sold, that was so fast

who the hell is whaling this hard

[sage tulip]

i mean

theres quite a few bms

[little moat]

I have 4 profane pieces double crit, thats enough 😂

[worn jewel]

The best and most enjoyable class has a high pick rate?

[wooden rain]

Ngl i kinda want to try puncture build now

[worn jewel]

No, you want to buy my TDS before it expires.

[wooden rain]

Tell ncsoft to buff lightning and i will

[lean sundial]

block parry at 5k on eu wtf

[wooden rain]

Delete bdr, leave only focus recovery

[wooden rain]

Blue?

[lean sundial]

y

[wooden rain]

No way

Was under 1k

[lean sundial]

(there's only one)

(people trying to dunk on randoms)

[little moat]

If u just buy my Purple Blade strike for 2k

Then u can sell it for 5k after

[lean sundial]

not me noticing I'm using my des macro and not my bm macro 1 minute in

saw Moa almost making it to top 9

[tough robin]

bruh i was top 7 then buffs spawned, got 0

it was over

the first 6 were absolutely out of reach

[wooden rain]

Don't people just skip buffs

[tough robin]

if you get one by just existing you win

chasing them is probably bad

[odd dagger]

bm top 30 is like super close.

[tough robin]

top 6 was out of reach

anything below that was stacked yep

[unique valley]

Hi guys I just came here to say BM>BD 😭

[tough robin]

can't find a decently priced purple stone slash though smh

[tough robin]

you are correct

[brave pendant]

Several were last seen at 8-10k on NA maybe a week or 2 ago. None seen since

[tough robin]

there was 1 for 10 a few days ago, then 2 at 50k

[merry prairie]

There's one for 10k now if you're looking for stone slash

[tough robin]

just bought vortex wave can't do

[lean sundial]

19k sustained on dummy

[burnt helm]

Any pierce enjoyers have a dummy parse recorded

I'd like to compare with my own

[odd dagger]

there is a 25k purple dt in moonwater

[merry prairie]

Yeah I'll just let that kekegenkai guy buy those

[sage tulip]

probably not for long

[void blaze]

Hello BMs

[merry prairie]

Hello

[tough robin]

@warped hawk right there

[warped hawk]

ohh never saw this haha thank you

[tough robin]

so hybrid is basically just like fire, except instead of holding rmb you animation cancel RMB with LMB

which would look like -> Tab RMB/LMB RMB/LMB RMB/LMB and so on until your tab is back up

you can either do it manually or make a macro for it with very low delay if you want to save your wrists!

it's a little more complex but with your purple electric saber it's gonna be big dmg

[slender kelp]

fellas what's the cheapest you've seen a purple pierce go for in f5

[tough robin]

8 or 9k

ain't no way it's worth that much but people seem to buy it

[slender kelp]

hmm yeah it's an okay damage increase from blue to purple

[warped hawk]

will try it ty so much, badges are the same? (sun stroke-dt) or they need to be changed as well

[merry prairie]

Yes same badges

[tough robin]

exact same one, the only difference is you animation cancel rmb with lmb instead of holding rmb 😄

[brave pendant]

Saw 3 purple pierces a few days ago at 7-8k

It's not that big of a dmg increase when most of it is put into the black dragon requirements which is barely up in a fight. At least I'm using cyclone and shoulder immunity for extra cyclones for focus.

[hybrid willow]

what is the macro ?

[tough robin]

You keep spreading that info that bdr is not up a lot but taht's just not true

[brave pendant]

I don't use vortex wave. I don't have purple. I rather have cyclone that last 5 sec with 6 sec CD

[tough robin]

T 0.5 R works well.

[brave pendant]

cyclone can be used after a shoulder charge on a red attack.

[hybrid willow]

what is t 0.5 r 🙂

[tough robin]

Ok macro is

T 5ms R 5ms

hold to repeat

T is your RMB

R is your lmb

by default

[hybrid willow]

okay

[tough robin]

so you not having purple vortex makes pierce bad for everyone because of bdr uptime?

[hybrid willow]

@tough robin like this ?

[brave pendant]

like even with a purple vortex wave using it on CD I don't think that's beating puncture that can just run cyclones and have more focus and always do big damage

[tough robin]

ouaip

[tough robin]

Ok

[merry prairie]

Didn't Moa say pierce has higher dmg? And I think the soulbadge is 65% instead of the 55% like punture soulbadge

[tough robin]

we've been over this so

pierce has more burst, and if you can vortex wave consistently you have at least 30% uptime on bdr, not counting 4 RMB and V X

if you were to play pierce in a close to optimal way you'd get 50%+ uptime on bdr

[brave pendant]

Yes I agree. Pierce has more burst. With all the tools and purple vortex it can maybe have ~40% uptime on BDR. but for it to beat puncture it needs 50%

[tough robin]

Yeah ok i preshotted that

i guess

[merry prairie]

I think in a fight where you actually have to do mechanics burst dmg is for sure better

But there's no content like that for a long while

[brave pendant]

VX is up 6/60 or 1/10 of the time. 4T is up 3/24 or 1/8 of the time.

[tough robin]

count per minute

VX is 6 seconds / minute

T is 8 seconds / minute

Vortex is up to 20 sec / minute

i'm bad at maths but that's over 50%

[brave pendant]

Good math right there. You are right pierce is better if played absolutely perfectly

[tough robin]

however on a fight like WB

puncture is gonna pull ahead

[brave pendant]

requires a purple vortex though and using it on CD

[tough robin]

no way you get the vortex uptime

but pierce also benefits more from the AP from devourer soul etc.

so overall, they have their uses for sure, and i'm 100% sure in a fight where you can't block as much

puncture is a lot better

while also being less of a headache

[brave pendant]

We have the same opinion there. If anyone on NA is selling purp puncture. I've got 30k ready

[tough robin]

oh yes that too

it's 3 times the price

[brave pendant]

or you have to buy pierce, buy purp vortex, play while using all your BDR stuff that takes a few seconds of animation

or I could just be spamming R Tab T

[tough robin]

yeah i prefer having a bit of buff management

[brave pendant]

braindead gameplay pls

[tough robin]

that's why i hated fire on live

[brave pendant]

Sometimes I get lost in stances trying to put up all the BDR stuff

have to evade an attack, which stance do I go into, is honed slash up or is my 4 CD baiting me since can't see honed slash CD? I'm in flock, can I Q to evade and X and E back?

[tough robin]

i don't bother with honed if my 4 isn't up for now 😄

[merry prairie]

I think you just get used to it if you play bm, I didn't get the drawstance either but I played assassin before

[burnt helm]

Wait so pierce can't be stronger then?

I was scammed

[tough robin]

no

pierce is stronger

if played well

[brave pendant]

purp pierce books are 7-8k. there's a reason for that and why nobody bought it for so long

[tough robin]

yeah becasue people don't want to bother

[brave pendant]

it's just a headache to play if you want optimal dmg vs puncture

[burnt helm]

I'm fine with buff management so I'll stick to pierce

Being cheaper is super nice for me

[jaunty lark]

Being fair

[brave pendant]

can get used to using BDR buff, but you need vortex for that and it's less focus recovery and more CD compared to cyclone

[jaunty lark]

its not like pierces buildin general are popular tbh

so i would not call "ppl not buying it for a reason" an argument

since any other bm its just fire

[burnt helm]

Math guys how essential is purple vortex really

[jaunty lark]

tho I still consider puincutre far superior than piercce, just bc u dont get full bd buff

[brave pendant]

yeah on my server top 10 WB has 7-8 DT builds

[tough robin]

purple vortex is pretty important

[burnt helm]

Hm

[tough robin]

but it's also 2K5

2.5k

w/e

[jaunty lark]

only reason to play pierce its bc its bc blue friendly

[tough robin]

like it's not that expansive

[jaunty lark]

tbh

except some purple to min max

but again, its min max

[burnt helm]

Would you say first purple book should be that?

[brave pendant]

yeah DT is cheap with blues. Also nobody has a purp puncture here so there's that

[jaunty lark]

and if u gonna mix max, then ill rather play puncture at that point

[tough robin]

i mean i just sent a wall to explain how it was better if optimal

[brave pendant]

first purp for a focus build is the auto cyclone

[tough robin]

it's a lot less confort

[burnt helm]

Oh right yes

[tough robin]

yeah purple cyclone lmb is the absolute best skill in the game

[burnt helm]

Well I'm only saving after psyches bless me

[brave pendant]

it's a game changer for sure. Instead of doing LMB TAB for focus, you can keep up LMB TAB RMB for 90%+ in a WB fight

[burnt helm]

Gonna take me a while to see that

Unless my 50 book is puncture

Then I'm swapping

[merry prairie]

You're not lvl 50 yet Blaze? lol

[burnt helm]

49

[tough robin]

his kfm is 50 smh

[burnt helm]

60% so I should hit it tomorrow

[brave pendant]

auto cyclone, puncture, slasher, DT, sunstroke. all good stuff you want to hit

[jaunty lark]

part of me wants you to be blessed with a sunstroke or puncutre

[burnt helm]

Not sun stroke please

[jaunty lark]

other part of me wants you to have purple meteor strike

[burnt helm]

LMAO

[jaunty lark]

KEKW

[burnt helm]

I don't want a dt build

[brave pendant]

then only 3 good purp books

well stone slash is ok

[jaunty lark]

ye, stone slash is fine

[tough robin]

i'd have taken purple dt

[brave pendant]

mine was block war cry, but the purp is bugged and doesn't have the taunt

[jaunty lark]

wait what xdd

[brave pendant]

I was planning on deactivating taunt anyways, but it just doesn't show up at all

[burnt helm]

I mean sht I'll take whatever I'm not picky, I'd rather not be DT related but if that's what I get then ig I'll just give that a shot, can always swap later

[lean sundial]

Moa spreading misinformation

[jaunty lark]

hmm, did u have blue taunt locked or something

bc i got duplicated taunt once, and it got bugged a bit

[tough robin]

Unless you have 4 purple DTs*

mb

[brave pendant]

That I don't remember. I might've had both war cry and blade strike up at the same time once and that could be the reason why it's bugged.

[jaunty lark]

KNEEL PEASANTS

[brave pendant]

Maybe it'd fix itself if I unequip and reequip my acccessory, not sure.

[brave pendant]

accidentally launching enemies for your group

[jaunty lark]

i cant even use for the extra piercing

legit peak performance

[burnt helm]

Me managing my buff just to have a party member launch an enemy up in the 5 seconds I have black dragon

[jaunty lark]

and cant sell it, so no divine gems

MAN

[brave pendant]

mistime the KD, well it's in the air now

[burnt helm]

[merry prairie]

I got take flight and dragon rise, at least I can't use them because the skill is locked lmfao

[lean sundial]

keep it, heat buff for DT soon

[jaunty lark]

im a slasher chad, cant talk fire

tho being realistic I should swap to fire and stop trying to aim for something i cant affor xd

since im too lazy to play the market

[tulip parcel]

which card effect is that?

[tough robin]

devourer card is a lie i'm out

[burnt helm]

You'll get it next 3 runs

Trust

[tough robin]

reported

that's my last core i needed for transmute though so i'll take it

rolled green, dismantled to craft a blue

[burnt helm]

2 more to go

[tough robin]

got green

im out

No that'd be one more pot i'm out of them

i have 6 left xd

my kfm has 45

[burnt helm]

You redeemed comp on kfm?

Oof

[tough robin]

shhh

we don't mention that

[burnt helm]

I still have mine to redeem fortunately

One day when I'm free I'll spam something

[tough robin]

waiting for 2nd compensation for infinite hm pot

[burnt helm]

The way moonwater is going

Our comp.might be complete blessing removal

[tough robin]

counting on it

[spiral sky]

Copium one

Copium lvl 11

[tough robin]

is ToE the absolute fastest soul core farm btw?

i got a green devourer core with terrible stats early and never looked back

[burnt helm]

I definitely ran a lot more narrows than ToE and I only got a core with narrows due to the fragment

ToE cores definitely felt more frequent

[tulip parcel]

thanks for the bait bro

[tough robin]

why is destro so strong what

holy i had never seen that

[merry prairie]

First time a destro not doing 4k dps?

[tough robin]

yes

[merry prairie]

Wow that's actually insane he only has 700 ap and two purple books

[tough robin]

yes

lvl 49

lmaoi

[burnt helm]

Post his profile

Don't think I've seen a destro do good dmg either

[burnt helm]

Interesting

Could it be inflated due to ads perhaps? Idk if destros have aoe

[brave pendant]

Ack. There was a purp puncture book on NA for a split second. did anyone see what it went for?

[tough robin]

that was baylee

[burnt helm]

There are ppl buying it for 30k on NA so either that or more expensive

[burnt helm]

Oh wow

[tough robin]

and he's pretty consistent with it too

[burnt helm]

Could purple books be that broken for destro

[merry prairie]

That is crazy, never seen a destro do dmg wtf

[burnt helm]

Post his skill details

[tough robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2IWUKhBTZ4

that's him

i thought pierce anicancel looked dumb

this is new

[lean sundial]

You basically only need Relentless Blue + any Execute (starts at blue) + Cleave Speed (blue)

[burnt helm]

That's crazy

Also dude is gigantic

[lean sundial]

and

A shitton of crit

Destros have like 70 base crit rate?

[burnt helm]

Always wanted to make a destro just cuz axe skins are nuts

Too bad I don't like gon

[lean sundial]

So you anicancel lmb/rmb (relentless/cleave) to gain fury stacks
E (fury) to anicancel wrath/cleave (lmb/rmb) and press X at 20 stacks

[hollow karma]

I was also surprised by this guys DPS earlier lol

[tough robin]

he's pumping and also destro looks kinda cool

a new dolphin in EU bought all the blue pierces... they are now 2k each...

[vale idol]

Do you guys use lmb or dragontongue during focus grab?

[warped hawk]

What soft are you guys using for macro?

[tough robin]

hyperx one cause that's what my mouse is

[sturdy dagger]

What is thisfor btw :S

[slender kelp]

i think right now it's only used to upgrade awakened legendary accessories to true but it will get more uses in later patches

[vale idol]

its used for awak>true

on any legendary

except the wb ig

[queen marsh]

Oh hey I'm on TV

They really massacred the DES anim cancel didn't they

[hollow karma]

wow first run

[gleaming pewter]

any NA p/c for purple stone slash?

[brave pendant]

8-10k last seen on market. could be worth that or more

considering the price of purp searing slash at 6.5k, probably not far off

[gleaming pewter]

thanks!

[rain nimbus]

When will purple books start to go down in price just like blues did?

[north burrow]

they won't

because of book stacking

(whichever dev thought book stacking was a good mechanic has genuine brain damage btw)

[brave pendant]

yeah when there are whales with buy orders for purp punctures it's hard to play the build

[queen marsh]

Bro DES posted on the BM channel smh

[odd dagger]

imo book stacking is fine , but they shoulda capped it like 10 gm points, so that you could either choose to have 2 purples to max the points and have a bunch of utility skills on rest of the slots or have no utility skills and just have like 5 blues.

[queen marsh]

Or just

Y'know

Made it so you put the stacked books on the same slot

[worn jewel]

Book stacking and the skill point system just pushes you to spam a few skills as all the others fall further and further behind in value.

[queen marsh]

So all your DTs only take a single slot but each skill book has a maximum of GM it can reach

Purple has a cap of GM 24, blue 12 etc

[wooden rain]

that doesn't solve the market price issue at all

regardless, if they let you have a dps increase in skill books then they also increase the enemy hp to match, you're just making your life more complicated

[queen marsh]

They're already letting us have the dps increase.

I also don't think the market prices are an issue in the first place

It's just the market system alltogether that's rotten

[little moat]

Purple punctures for days on the market, only 6k ea

Cheaper then blue dts xd

[wooden rain]

should i be aiming for cr/cd soul shields only, or do i need some with an accuracy/piercing substat as well

[little moat]

As long as u have 600 accuracy atm its fine

[wooden rain]

yeah but looking at next update

[little moat]

U fix next updates ss by doing CS its fine xd

[wooden rain]

the rng on the heroic ss is gonna be bonkers, no way you'll get good rolls easily

building up profane is already a challenge

[wooden rain]

2 pieces of mine have cd/accuracy instead of cr and i'm wondering if it's worth to try rolling further

[worn jewel]

We really need a higher volume of soul shields from non-wheel sources. We used to be showered with them from multiple daily quests, and regular mobs and bosses dropped soul shields. Now you get 1-2 per run.

Not just ones that we used, but plenty to disenchant for powder

[wooden rain]

wait how do primers work, why is it a range on one piece of ss? do i need to max out crit before fusing?

[lean sundial]

no

primers are an extra stat

show a screenshot, don't want to misinform, been a while on live

[lean sundial]

what's your primer

moonwater +119?

[wooden rain]

yeah

[lean sundial]

it should max it out

don't quote me on that

[wooden rain]

113 to be exact, but the question is the range

[lean sundial]

primer won't add to the "base" crit rate stat

[wooden rain]

i get it, i don't get why rng is here

but there's no way around it i take it

[lean sundial]

There probably is, with the leg primers

[queen marsh]

I mean accuracy isn't a dead stat and crit rate is the least crucial of the crit stats to have naturally on a SS so I think you're fine

[queen marsh]

Primers are just additional stats, they cap out at your SS's stat cap

So like if you've got a profane SS that caps out at 91 crit rate and put a 114 crit rate primer on it, you'll have whatever crate your SS rolled + 91

[wooden rain]

right i get that, i don't get why it shows +79-+95

when max of SS is 95

[queen marsh]

For a primer?

[wooden rain]

yeah

[queen marsh]

That is weird

[wooden rain]

like seen here

but i did use 3 primers and all rolled max so i'm even more confused

[queen marsh]

They shouldn't roll at all

Maybe it's just some left over code from a previous version

[wooden rain]

i've seen some people with non-max rolls though

[queen marsh]

On the primer's roll?

Shouldn't be possible

Are you sure they didn't just use lower value primers like a cinderland primer instead of a moonwater one for instance

[lean sundial]

depends on the primer used

[wooden rain]

i don't know but i doubt cinderlands would give 84

[queen marsh]

Oh no cinderland primers roll quite high

84 sounds about right

[wooden rain]

huh

[queen marsh]

Someone not as lazy as me would have to check

I'm not in game so

[wooden rain]

so is it pointless to use moonwater on profane?

[odd dagger]

cinder is 65 max

[queen marsh]

Is it?

I'm pretty sure they're higher than that

And if that's the case

Do primers stack per chance

Because that could just be a viridian + a cinderland

iirc viridian primers are 19

[odd dagger]

no , they dont

[hard iris]

they don't stack

[queen marsh]

Because imma be real chief

[queen marsh]

That doesn't make sense

[queen marsh]

Why is there a roll range displayed on something which has a fixed stat

[jaunty lark]

Yet one of the other scamea of the game

[burnt helm]

Remnants of live code perhaps? It's been a while but I think primers were rng there

[queen marsh]

Yeah they were

[lean sundial]

they were difficult to get max rolls the higher the bopae (meaning 8 was more difficult than 1 )

[jaunty lark]

Thing is, cinderland still gives u less. So you gonna have to use moonwater anyway even if it seems its wasting stats so

[queen marsh]

Assuming you're planning on keeping them for long

[jaunty lark]

I mean, until we get a proper good stat bsh ss

Which will take some time

[slender kelp]

why did blue pierces go from 300-400 to 1.3k right when i switched build

[wooden rain]

because people are stupid, it'll go back down

[slender kelp]

yes it's just really unfortunate timing for me

targeted harassment ahh 😭

[desert igloo]

Ah so i'm not the only one who's been bamboozled by that primer

• here's what your roll can be
• syke! it has a fixed max stat

[jaunty lark]

yep, it is the fixed max of the ss

so,, its not as high as the primer, but not as low so that u can use a cheaper primer, lmao

basically interpreting as another SS

but with beefier stats

actually that makes profane kinda rought, cuz i know some brightsone at least reach to 100 for the stat

profane is 80-90

so you losing 20-30 per prime, so around 160-240 cri stat

LOVE NCSOFT LMAO

[desert igloo]

Yeah.. Maria wrote to go for 8 brightstone SS as well in his guide. He surely was aware about the higher primer max stat

If only I realised this sooner 😄

I have a damage stat question I rather ask here then in general
For insignia's. Would it be better to go for 8AP or 150 crit damage?

these are my 2 choices. Fusing and all that.

[burnt helm]

Well that's a annoying

But ig going for brightstone rn doesn't make much sense

If we're getting new content soon

[jaunty lark]

technically ye, and its not like you get showered with elements anyway so

[hard iris]

In the grand scheme of things it makes little difference whether u use brightstone or profane unless you’re into min maxxing

[wooden rain]

brightstone would be infinite pain to get all pieces with both substats

even noush is running profane

[jaunty lark]

AWESOME, if you cast a skill just before windstrade ends, you get stucked in place in the dungeon

lmao

[jaunty lark]

depends if you need the extra crit rate or not

but knowing that about the primers gives a bigger argument for bright

[zinc pewter]

Hey yall know which stats should we focus on pvp 6v6? I heard a lot about piercing but how about defense, block, evasion etc?…

[jaunty lark]

debuf resist > crit def > hp > crit def dmg. If you plan to really invest then go piercing in any of that

high block can be interesting aswell

[little moat]

Not only primer, also base reroll statts are higher :d

[jaunty lark]

but debuf resist is by far the biggest factor

[jaunty lark]

Thats the point, the primer its capped by the base stats of the SS

[zinc pewter]

You the savior bruther

[worn jewel]

I'm curious to know how the cap works. I had some cinderlands (+63)bases laying around and tested to see if it was random, and got the same result 3 times. It goes over the cap for the SS, but doesn't go over 99 after getting 53 out of 63 3x.

[jaunty lark]

i mean, you rolled a 54, max of cindelands is 63?

so the next fuse basically its telling you u gonna get +9-10, which is the max of the cinderlands

a moonwater prolly will tell you +18ish if its how we thing it is

since the cap of the ss is 71

[wooden rain]

point is he rolled the same result 3 times

[jaunty lark]

huh

so you mean it isnt stacking

just rolling, but he rolled the same 3 times

hmm

[vale idol]

it doesnt stack

[worn jewel]

It's possible I rolled under 53 the second and 3rd time, and since it's the same state it just kept the high roll

[vale idol]

it rolls different each time

thats why it says -9

you can roll lower

[worn jewel]

So there's no cap, and it's just an RNG range?

[vale idol]

cap is same as soulshields

[worn jewel]

The SS cap is 71 and I got 99

[vale idol]

profane has max 71 crit on that piece, so fused thing can only give you 71 max

no you got 53

99 is total

your soulshield 46 base, you added 53 and its 99

[wooden rain]

well yes but no, ncsoft math

[vale idol]

thats weird

[worn jewel]

So if you add a +113 primer to a 71 soul shield with 71 crit, the max you would get from the primer is +71 for 142 total crit?

[vale idol]

can you screenshot the whole soulshield?

it was like that in live, I thought they bring same system

but according to Storm's screenshot, its not the case

[vale idol]

Can you screenshot the whole soulshield please?

[jaunty lark]

huh

so maybe we are all unlucky and never got a high roll? LUL

[vale idol]

ha

I found it

its the 8. piece is bugged

[wooden rain]

i'm 99% sure it's just a rounding error

[vale idol]

Yep, rest doesn't have any issue

I just checked it from Noush' profile

[wooden rain]

why would there be a rounding error where there's no float math required? ncsoft

[vale idol]

so yes that is the rule still

I mean rounding error is everywhere

I just wanted to confirm that it says max

this warning is everywhere

[wooden rain]

Well for probabilities it makes sense since it's just display

Who would write 3 1/3%

[sturdy dagger]

Yeah, like book crafting, who would say its a 10.5% chance to get a blue book (or counterpart upgrade) ? They Rounded it up to 20%

[worn jewel]

You have my luck on transmutes

[wooden rain]

rng comes in waves for me

i'll fail 20 in a row and then get 2 of 3 success

[worn jewel]

It's selective for me. I get bad rolls on transmutes, but my upgrades to awakened are like 80% successful.

[wooden rain]

my wep took 12 attempts to true siren

i'm not gonna touch accessories

[sturdy dagger]

Wait until thats a requirement, like VPN 🤣

[vale idol]

is it better to spam lmb or dragontongue during infinite focus?

[sturdy dagger]

What build ? What LMB skill

[wooden rain]

why would it ever be better to spam any LMB

if you say LMB and DT i assume koldrak, it's not better

[vale idol]

ya that

I thought that cuz it was faster

[wooden rain]

you can easily see on the focus training dummy if you're really curious

[vale idol]

but I don't have dps meter, so idk which one deals more dmg

thats why I asked 😔

[worn jewel]

Question is, would it be better to spam DT or Pierce during infinite focus?

Pierce hits harder and faster, but doing so could mess up your rotation

[sturdy dagger]

You have dps chat, see how much dmg you do in 3 seconds, add it up, split by 3, you have DPS

[wooden rain]

pierce is faster for you?

[worn jewel]

It is under low latency, but can be weird. Sometimes it is slower, other times it goes BRRR. B&S is jank

On the focus dummy with 35ms I got 11 pierce in during a 4 second BD, vs 15 DT during a 6 second BD. 2.75/s vs 2.5

[wooden rain]

where'd you get 4 seconds of bd

[worn jewel]

Blue honed slash

[wooden rain]

It probably has way lower delay than sunstroke tho

[humble saddle]

What would be the progression of upgrading stats cost effective wise, primer then fuse then psych?

[lean sundial]

primers are super expensive?

[wooden rain]

Fuse last i would say

[lean sundial]

but at least are guaranteed

[wooden rain]

I mean if you've been using craft guild it's affordable, especially if on alt

Dedicate one alt to soulwarden

[lean sundial]

Would need to roll the wheel on that one alt for broken pieces

[wooden rain]

Pinchy/deva/viridian jiangshi essences

[humble saddle]

Ok so primer then psych then fuse, got it

[lean sundial]

psyche is all rng

if you want guaranteed upgrades, psyche last

[wooden rain]

Fusion is super expensive and super slow

[lean sundial]

6 psyches on my 1-4, no dmg stat at all

that was about 2k dg