crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 10:53 PM

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So this has been an ongoing battle for about a month now. I'm on a brand new PC and I've been using W-Okada for a few months.
I use W-Okada and it works fine usually, then one day it stopped working. It refuses to work and it just crashes to desktop. Below are my PC specs.

CPU: Ryzen 9 7900 12 Core Processor
GPU: GIGABYTE Radeon RX 9070 XT | 16 GB VRAM
RAM: 64 GB DDR5
OS: Windows 10
Browser: Brave Browser

Main Issue: I'll open W-Okada and I will swap it to "Server" as Client has completely stopped working (which is what I used to use.), I'll fire up the program, then the CMD window will freeze for 5 seconds before closing without anything else. Then in my browser I get an xhr poll error. It doesn't even work if I swap it to CPU. It only fully crashes on Server, and Client does not work.

What I am looking for: Someone else who uses the same or similiar GPU/CPU set up that I have, could you recreate this issue.
Things I've tried so far...the list grows.

Using the latest Windows Update (EOS Update)
Using Current GPU Drivers
Rolled Back Current GPU Drivers (September 2025)
Updated BIOS
Reset my PC multiple times.

If anyone can figure this out and actually help me to get it working or make a private fork of the program that you keep updated for me, I'll throw $50-75 USD your way for the trouble. Thanks in advanced.

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Feel free to directly ping me if you figure something out.

hollow hearth Mar 30, 2026, 11:11 PM

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have you tried a different browser?

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:40 PM

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hollow hearth have you tried a different browser?

Yeah. I tried Edge.

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<@&1159293204038955078>

hollow hearth Mar 30, 2026, 11:45 PM

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crisp musk Yeah. I tried Edge.

That fork allows you to swap between sio and rest?

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check advanced settings and try to change from sio to rest

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try disabling windows defender/any other antivirus too

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try vac lite

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:49 PM

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I have VAC Lite.

hollow hearth Mar 30, 2026, 11:50 PM

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crisp musk I have VAC Lite.

have you tried vb audio cable?

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:51 PM

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hollow hearth have you tried vb audio cable?

Yup.

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:51 PM

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hollow hearth check advanced settings and try to change from sio to rest

I'm gonna swap from Sio to Rest and see what happens.

hollow hearth Mar 30, 2026, 11:52 PM

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crisp musk I'm gonna swap from Sio to Rest and see what happens.

disable windows antivirus too, could be windows firewall blocking the connection as well (restart the gui after doing this btw, close cmd and open again)

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:55 PM

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hollow hearth disable windows antivirus too, could be windows firewall blocking the connection...

Turned off Firewall
Turned off Antivirus
Still not working.

hollow hearth Mar 30, 2026, 11:55 PM

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crisp musk * Turned off Firewall * Turned off Antivirus Still not working.

hmm have you tried changing the sr to 48000?

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:56 PM

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Let me try that next.

crisp musk Mar 30, 2026, 11:58 PM

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hollow hearth hmm have you tried changing the sr to 48000?

Nope.

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hollow hearth Mar 30, 2026, 11:59 PM

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crisp musk

if you change audio driver to mme still crashes?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:00 AM

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hollow hearth if you change audio driver to mme still crashes?

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:03 AM

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crisp musk

hmmm, have you tried any other model?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:05 AM

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hollow hearth hmmm, have you tried any other model?

I had some on my SSD I could use, but those don't work either.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:05 AM

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crisp musk I had some on my SSD I could use, but those don't work either.

i see, just in case, does this fork have a cmd window open alongside the app?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:05 AM

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Yeah when I open it, it does.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:05 AM

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can u make it crash on purpose then send a screenshot of what the cmd window says?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:08 AM

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That's the thing, the CMD window just closes.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:09 AM

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crisp musk That's the thing, the CMD window just closes.

Doesn't a message appear a few seconds before the crash?

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or miliseconds lol

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:10 AM

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Uh

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I think so

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Let me check.

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hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:12 AM

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crisp musk

ok so this says nothing

hmmmmm, does it works if you use contentvec/hubert?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:12 AM

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hollow hearth ok so this says nothing hmmmmm, does it works if you use contentvec/hubert?

Where's that?

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Oh

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Found it

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hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:14 AM

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crisp musk

uhh, try downloading fcpe onnx and see if it works

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:15 AM

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hollow hearth uhh, try downloading fcpe onnx and see if it works

Ok downloaded. Gonna fire it up now.

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Nope. Crashes.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:18 AM

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crisp musk Nope. Crashes.

deiteris fork also crashes? (another w-okada clone)

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:19 AM

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Let me download that one again.

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Oh

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That's the one I was using I think.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:23 AM

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crisp musk That's the one I was using I think.

no you're using the tg develop one

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https://github.com/deiteris/voice-changer/releases/download/b2332/voice-changer-windows-amd64-dml.zip

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this is the deiteris fork for amd ^

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:27 AM

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The next step for me is to buy a new SSD and put Windows 11 on it and try it from there on a clean Windows install.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:35 AM

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uhh what about trying chrome and firefox?

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cat_sadcat

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:36 AM

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Let me see if Chrome works.

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Nope.

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Even on a different browser.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:51 AM

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weird, this must be something deeper

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https://github.com/tg-develop/voice-changer/releases

GitHub

Releases · tg-develop/voice-changer

Realtime Voice Changer. Contribute to tg-develop/voice-changer development by creating an account on GitHub.

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here are all of the versions of the tg develop fork

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perhaps an older version may still work for your system?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:54 AM

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Let me try.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:56 AM

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You could try updating your internet driver, but it's a bit risky

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:57 AM

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I doubt it's that.

hollow hearth Mar 31, 2026, 12:58 AM

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looks like some weird unknown hardware issue

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 1:36 AM

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hollow hearth looks like some weird unknown hardware issue

I have no idea.

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 2:34 AM

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Even upgrading to Windows 11.

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It's not working.

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I have no idea.

smoky geode Mar 31, 2026, 6:58 AM

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hollow hearth looks like some weird unknown hardware issue

It's hardware for sure, nothing else would explain why it continues to fail no matter the settings/drivers and even after clean OS reinstall.
But it's so hard to locate. At this point I think live debugging and code tracing is the only sensible way to find the cause

smoky geode Mar 31, 2026, 7:42 AM

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Assuming I don't forget to do it, perhaps I could pull the code ~tomorrow, take a look, maybe add some debug logs and build it for you to run it. Far from ideal (ideally one would want to directly debug it in reproducible scenario but, well, we can't reproduce it) but the additional logs could help locate where it crashes.

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Haven't ever taken a look at tg's code and build env so no details yet from my side, but I'll check later and maybe there's a chance we could figure it out

brave crypt Mar 31, 2026, 8:37 AM

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crisp musk So this has been an ongoing battle for about a month now. I'm on a brand new PC...

have you tried everything in https://docs.aihub.gg/realtime-voice-changer/local/tg-develops-w-okada-fork/#troubleshooting ? Did it use t work previously? Have you tried different rvc voice models?

Tg Develop's W Okada Fork

Last update: March 30, 2026

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If nothing above works, can you try using CPU? I have seen users with similar hardware having similar issues: #✨│ai-help message

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:55 PM

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Yeah my PC should be able to run the program with zero issues.

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 12:55 PM

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brave crypt have you tried everything in https://docs.aihub.gg/realtime-voice-changer/local/...

Yeah it was working just fine a month ago then it just stopped working.
I didn't make any major hardware changes.

brave crypt Mar 31, 2026, 2:10 PM

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crisp musk Yeah it was working just fine a month ago then it just stopped working. I didn'...

Did you update any drivers?

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might want to downgrade to the gpu drivers you used a month ago

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 2:12 PM

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brave crypt Did you update any drivers?

I'm on those drivers right now.

brave crypt Mar 31, 2026, 5:58 PM

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crisp musk I'm on those drivers right now.

so you haven't changed anything in the settings, nor changed any drivers or software or hardware, it just randomly stopped working?

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was it working previously with the same hardware you have rn or were you on an nvidia gpu?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 5:59 PM

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brave crypt so you haven't changed anything in the settings, nor changed any drivers or soft...

The only drivers I ever updated were my GPU drivers through AMD.
This is a fairly new PC, built it last April, so I haven't done much with it.
I haven't changed any audio configurations or anything. All I did was
take the program from my old PC, put it on a thumbdrive, boot it up
and it worked flawlessly.

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My old PC ran it just fine.

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My old PC is Nvidia but is weaker than my current PC.

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Old PC is 32 GB DDR 4, Ryzen 5 CPU, and 30 series card in it.

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 7:40 PM

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smoky geode Assuming I don't forget to do it, perhaps I could pull the code ~tomorrow, take ...

Thank you if you do. ❤️

brave crypt Mar 31, 2026, 8:31 PM

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crisp musk The only drivers I ever updated were my GPU drivers through AMD. This is a fair...

So it never worked on your new current AMD GPU PC at all?

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 8:32 PM

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No it did.

crisp musk Mar 31, 2026, 8:32 PM

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brave crypt So it never worked on your new current AMD GPU PC at all?

It was working until this month.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 5:34 AM

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It loses connection because this is when the app crashes. This has nothing to do with networking/firewall/browser.

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Disabling a firewall should work as expected and allow all network traffic. It would be silly if the entire thing had to be uninstalled just for this purpose.

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That would be terribly bad design

brave crypt Apr 1, 2026, 12:25 PM

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that would be weird since this issue seems to happen only for AMD GPU users on Windows tbh

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 12:55 PM

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Good Morning.

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I just woke up. I'll start troubleshooting after I get some breakfast.

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So Client seems to be "working" in a loose sense.

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It works but no audio is being transferred.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 1:10 PM

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I thought the server was still running when I said what I did. My mistake. Forget about what I said then. (I'll remove the misinformation, otherwise the OP might do something that isn't good.) "it crashed on the server" is what confused me on that part.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 1:17 PM

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crisp musk So Client seems to be "working" in a loose sense.

This doesn't matter. The server is what converts the audio. The client (the website) is just a control panel.

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When you run the server, it generates audio files inside the user's temp directory. (it doesn't remove these). I think the crash might be caused by the permission settings on the directories it tries to access currently.

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but without a log, idk for sure.

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The server has a log file, there is also a Windows Logs entry within windows that can help figure out why it closed. (Perhaps the CMD window didn't get the time to display the output, but it was still logged within the logs file as to why it crashed.)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 1:20 PM

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So is there a way for me to log it?

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 1:25 PM

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Yeah, there is.

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Launch the server as: MMVCServerSIO.exe --log-level debug

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 1:26 PM

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flint horizon Launch the server as: ``MMVCServerSIO.exe --log-level debug``

Oooh this is a very valuable info

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 1:26 PM

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Do I do this through CMD?

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 1:26 PM

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Found here: https://github.com/tg-develop/voice-changer/blob/74bbd21d80f33da4ac9f70c456ed3d9a5e6e244a/server/main.py#L52
(it's in the code)

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Yeah, or make a shortcut and then change the target value

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CMD can do it

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 1:27 PM

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having high hopes about this

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hopefully will shed some more light

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 1:32 PM

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when the server crashes, you don't need to screenshot. All of its logs can be found in vcclient.log (a text file located where mmvcserversio.exe is)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 1:48 PM

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flint horizon when the server crashes, you don't need to screenshot. All of its logs can be fo...

Making breakfast, then I'll sit down and try this out.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:06 PM

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I just noticed that I have errors that aren't registered into vcclient.log. (errors that happen when I shut down the server). You may need to make a screenshot anyway.

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When you launch the server using the windows 11 terminal (with cmd or powershell), then the window remains open when it crashes. This helps read errors you may otherwise miss, (which I just did).

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 2:19 PM

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hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 2:27 PM

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crisp musk

type .\MMVCServerSIO.exe --log-level debug

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:36 PM

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crisp musk

That's Powershell (indicated by PS), it works differently from CMD. You indeed need to use .\MMVCServerSIO.exe --log-level debug instead when using powershell

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 2:40 PM

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Yeah I got it up and running now.

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Gonna do my usual routine with the log up.

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@flint horizon

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Ok so it crashed.

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But the log is still up.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:43 PM

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anything new in it?

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 2:43 PM

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I have no clue how to read this.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:43 PM

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you can show us

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 2:44 PM

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Ok. I know you guys said I can dump the log file.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:44 PM

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especially interesting if anything new appeared at the moment of the crash

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Yeah, you can actually just copy and paste all text from the commandline window

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perhaps to a file if it's too long

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and send us the file

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(pastebin is a nice alternative)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 2:45 PM

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Ok 1 sec

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📎 WOkadaLog.txt

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:46 PM

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damn, doesn't look like there's any decent hint in it

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unless i'm misinterpreting something

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maybe Rumi will notice something I don't

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:48 PM

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There are a number of strange things going on actually...

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:51 PM

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is the GPU faiss failure the thing?

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I dunno if it's expected to always be supported

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:52 PM

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Yeah, idk what is going on, but here's for example what happens when I run the server at start:

2026-04-01 16:49:33,334 INFO     [main] Python: 3.12.10 (tags/v3.12.10:0cc8128, Apr  8 2025, 12:21:36) [MSC v.1943 64 bit (AMD64)]
2026-04-01 16:49:33,336 INFO     [main] Voice changer version: b2397 DirectML
2026-04-01 16:49:33,337 INFO     [main] Server settings: model_dir='model_dir' sound_dir='sound_dir' content_vec_500_onnx_on=True host='127.0.0.1' port=18888 ssl_enabled=False ssl_certfile=None ssl_keyfile=None allowed_origins=[] edition='DirectML'
2026-04-01 16:49:33,337 INFO     [main] Checking for mandatory models...
2026-04-01 16:49:33,444 INFO     [ModelManager] All mandatory models are already downloaded.
2026-04-01 16:49:37,638 INFO     [loader] Loading faiss with AVX2 support.```

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see that? What I am not seeing here for example is the whole logging about Weights

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so it's immediately strange to me basically

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:53 PM

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you're using different versions, that's for sure

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2397 vs 2377

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so some differences perhaps are expected

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i can't compare directly because I don't have an AMD GPU anyway so it would be pointless from my side

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:54 PM

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So he's using an older version... hm

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 2:54 PM

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hes crashing in the latest version too

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:55 PM

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yeah, a lot of different things have been attempted before

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:57 PM

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The log doesn't show why it crashed unfortunately.

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 2:57 PM

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Bruh

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disint

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:57 PM

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yeah, so it's the same case as before adjusting the log level. It crashes suddenly with no info

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:58 PM

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That said, the entire part below 2026-04-01 16:49:41,720 INFO [server] -------- 2026-04-01 16:49:41,720 INFO [server] The server is listening on http://127.0.0.1:18888/ 2026-04-01 16:49:41,720 INFO [server] --------
is different from what it reads on the latest version

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 2:58 PM

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[DeviceManager] Switched to CPU (cpu). FP16 support: False

wait what, you tried cpu infer?

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 2:58 PM

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Guess it all comes down to adding additional logs in code and testing like that

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 2:58 PM

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tg-develop has the ability to turn on fp32?

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 2:59 PM

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crisp musk Bruh

Can you try seeing if there are more logs with the latest version?

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I mean the developer clearly changed the logging output

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:00 PM

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hollow hearth tg-develop has the ability to turn on fp32?

Yes it does. That said, much like changing the protocol to rest or changing the sample rate to 48000, for some reason the webpage interface doesn't save it. You need to do this manually by editting the settings.json

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:01 PM

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i see

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loamy try to force fp32 mode

brave crypt Apr 1, 2026, 3:01 PM

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flint horizon Launch the server as: ``MMVCServerSIO.exe --log-level debug``

this is valuable info btw, might add is as it may fix other future problems, thx

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:02 PM

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yeah, for sure!

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:02 PM

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brave crypt this is valuable info btw, might add is as it may fix other future problems, thx

I'm just trying to help, even when I am wrong lol

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:02 PM

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So what should I do?

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:02 PM

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enable FP32

loud void Apr 1, 2026, 3:03 PM

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Now this is what makes helping about voice changer more fun than typical threads about simply getting newer versions. mikathink

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:04 PM

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we dont need new realtime clients, we need a better architecture

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:04 PM

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glad you enjoy reading through this

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:04 PM

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So do I need to use the TG Dev Fork?

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:05 PM

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yeah preferrably. It probably works best with your gpu. (also note: I too use an amd gpu, but its an older gen one)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:05 PM

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Ok. Let me fire it up.

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What is FP32?

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:07 PM

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how precise the ai calculations gonna be

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:07 PM

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Someone said I need to enable it?

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:07 PM

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by default realtime clients use fp16 because is faster than fp32

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but not all gpus support fp16

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w-okada automatically switchs to fp32 if it detects a non fp16 capable gpu

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:08 PM

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Ok

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I'm gonna fire it up on the newest build then.

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One moment.

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:08 PM

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okay just try to force fp32 mode

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deiteris fork has that setting in the advanced settings

loud void Apr 1, 2026, 3:09 PM

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crisp musk What is FP32?

"FP" stands for "floating point". FP32 means 32-bit floating point. It's very computer related.

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:09 PM

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no clue about tg-develop

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:09 PM

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probably similar, tg is fork of deiteris

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:09 PM

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You can set it by changing the json directly as well: "forceFp32": 1

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:10 PM

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📎 WOkadaLog.txt

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:11 PM

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Switched to 0: AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT (DirectML) (privateuseone:0). FP16 support: True
so i guess fp16 should not be the issue

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but sure worth trying with fp32

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at this point any new idea is good to try

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:11 PM

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I forced the FP32

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:13 PM

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crisp musk I forced the FP32

does tg-develop have some sort of audio effects?

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:13 PM

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They do.

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But I don't use them

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:13 PM

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try to use one of them

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it crashes with a sound effect too?

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:14 PM

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Rumi, do you have the Failed to load GPU Faiss: name 'GpuIndexIVFFlat' is not defined log too?
Also if you could share which log appears next after [VoiceChangerManager] update configuration serverAudioStated: 1 this could help locate where in the code it crashes

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:15 PM

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yeah

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2026-04-01 16:49:41,720 INFO     [server] The server is listening on http://127.0.0.1:18888/
2026-04-01 16:49:41,720 INFO     [server] --------
2026-04-01 16:49:45,462 INFO     [MMVC_Namespace] Connected SID: WJg1wuhWGjU9JFXjAAAB
2026-04-01 16:49:49,454 INFO     [VoiceChangerManager] update configuration serverAudioStated: 1
2026-04-01 16:49:49,986 INFO     [ServerAudio] Devices:
2026-04-01 16:49:49,986 INFO     [ServerAudio]   [Input]: ServerAudioDevice(index=24, name='FlexASIO', hostAPI='ASIO', maxInputChannels=2, maxOutputChannels=2, default_samplerate=44100.0) None
2026-04-01 16:49:49,986 INFO     [ServerAudio]   [Output]: ServerAudioDevice(index=24, name='FlexASIO', hostAPI='ASIO', maxInputChannels=2, maxOutputChannels=2, default_samplerate=44100.0), None
2026-04-01 16:49:49,986 INFO     [ServerAudio]   [Monitor]: ServerAudioDevice(index=8, name='Line 4 (Virtual Audio Cable)', hostAPI='MME', maxInputChannels=0, maxOutputChannels=2, default_samplerate=44100.0), None
2026-04-01 16:49:50,380 INFO     [ServerAudio] Sample Rate:
2026-04-01 16:49:50,380 INFO     [ServerAudio]   [Input]: 48000 -> True
2026-04-01 16:49:50,380 INFO     [ServerAudio]   [Output]: 48000 -> True
2026-04-01 16:49:50,380 INFO     [ServerAudio]   [Monitor]: 48000 -> True
2026-04-01 16:49:58,417 INFO     [VoiceChangerManager] update configuration serverAudioStated: 0```

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The next step is it looking for audio devices

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that is where it seems to crash

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:16 PM

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this is what claude opus found

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:18 PM

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Well, I mean tg-dev uses the server info and then silently switches back serveraudiostated for some reason, before it starts voice changing. (there are no logs beyond this till you stop the voice changer)

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:20 PM

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this is most likely audio driver related i agree tho

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perhaps a different microphone may work?

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:20 PM

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for Loamy it doesn't reach the "Devices:" log so it should be somewhere in here

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:20 PM

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Wait

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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so seems audio related for sure

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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I did buy a new DJ controller.

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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:0

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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I bought a Traktor Kontrol S8 recently and installed Traktor Pro 4.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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Is it plugged in?

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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unplug it

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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nice hardware btw

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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It's not plugged in no. It's sitting in a case. I tested the controller maybe 3-4 times.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:21 PM

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me likey

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:22 PM

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smoky geode me likey

I like to DJ in VR. Lol.

loud void Apr 1, 2026, 3:23 PM

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crisp musk It's not plugged in no. It's sitting in a case. I tested the controller maybe 3-...

So your PC uses its integrated audio all along while DJ equipment unplugged? Wouldn't always be the case.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:23 PM

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smoky geode for Loamy it doesn't reach the "Devices:" log so it should be somewhere in here

Github doesn't let me use search anymore for some reason; couldn't find it.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:23 PM

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i don't like going through code in the browser anyway, just pulled it

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:23 PM

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Should I check my audio driver?

loud void Apr 1, 2026, 3:24 PM

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crisp musk Should I check my audio driver?

Sure.

brave crypt Apr 1, 2026, 3:25 PM

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hollow hearth no clue about tg-develop

wokada tg develop fork has force fp32 mode in advanced settings

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:26 PM

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flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:26 PM

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crisp musk Should I check my audio driver?

Yeah I agree, it probably has something to do with the audio driver.

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You have three types of audio drivers: Audio Controllers, Audio Processing Objects (APOs) and Audio Input and Output devices.

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(you've shown a list of audio controllers)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:29 PM

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flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:30 PM

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crisp musk

Also, this list excludes currently disabled controllers (things that are disconnected)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:31 PM

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Where can I find that?

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:32 PM

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In the top bar, under View

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you can enable show hidden devices

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The voice changer, so far I know only access the input and output devices list

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I don't see anything odd in there though.

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:33 PM

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loud void Apr 1, 2026, 3:34 PM

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Leave those "Virtual Audio Cable", Realtek(R) Audio and "AMD" enabled, try disable some audio devices that are unused at the moment.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:35 PM

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Yeah... I was thinking the same (actually uninstalling, but disabling could be enough.)- it doesn't make sense though

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I am clueless

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:35 PM

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(if the issue happens during enumeration then perhaps disabling will change nothing)

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I'm taking a look at the code to perhaps find some spot where it possibly fails

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:36 PM

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Good luck

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:36 PM

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Oh let me do a quick run of it with audio effects

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1 sec

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:38 PM

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don't want to be too hasty but

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i think i can reproduce it

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unless it fails for a different reason for me xD

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:39 PM

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Here's the log with audio effects enabled.

📎 WOkadaLog.txt

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:40 PM

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What is that Voice Clarity driver for? (under APO). It doesn't have a brand next to it and ... googling it gets you vague results
(I am just fishing in the wild basically.)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:41 PM

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No idea.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:42 PM

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Oh, that is microsoft

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never mind (It's part of Microsoft Surface Laptop Studio)

loud void Apr 1, 2026, 3:44 PM

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Mine (using Windows 11 on an unsupported Dell laptop) doesn't have that Voice Clarity feature so.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:46 PM

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smoky geode i think i can reproduce it

Well, sort of. It crashes for me in similar way, although a little bit later. So not sure if it's related actually

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:49 PM

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crisp musk

try to disable amd high definition audio device and amd streaming audio device

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and maybe uninstall vb audio cable

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:50 PM

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It's not AMD's drivers. People with VB Cable don't crash either.

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It's not fifine either. (I tested a fifine mic, and yeah- the mic also comes with an audio output due to a headset jack)

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(idk about the corsair devices, the emeet webcam, and the microsoft devices though)

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:53 PM

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there is so many audio drivers lol

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:54 PM

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Yeah, it could very well be the number of them I guess and not a specific driver.

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:54 PM

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Wait a fucking minute

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I just looked into my drivers.

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And none of this showed up

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flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:55 PM

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o_o

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So that stuff does install drivers.... I thought so

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So... originally I suspected that Traktor's software may have installed drivers, that would.. for some reason cause the crash with the voice changer

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 3:56 PM

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it won't necessarily add a bunch of stuff to the audio driver section

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the controller is not just an audio i/o device

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although i would expect the s8 to appear as disconnected, but w/e

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 3:57 PM

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try uninstall everything related to traktor

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:57 PM

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I didn't think it would install so many audio drivers

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 3:58 PM

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smoky geode it won't necessarily add a bunch of stuff to the audio driver section

I know too little. Learned something new I guess.

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 3:59 PM

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Ok

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I uninstalled all the drivers.

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Gonna reset my PC

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Brb

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Ok

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PC is reset

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Traktor stuff is removed.

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Let's see how it goes.

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 4:01 PM

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anime_pray

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:02 PM

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I'm not sure what the code is doing that would cause it to interact with Traktor's drivers, and eventually crash. In the video the OP shared, it's shown that he clearly selected audio devices that are not Traktor.

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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IT FUCKING WORKS

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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i knew it was traktor

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lol

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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so the question now is

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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yeah- thought so, but- why does it work. xd

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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why

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how does the enumeration fail in that case

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 4:03 PM

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god knows why

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:04 PM

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I'd love to debug it, perhaps i should be able to reproduce it once i install those drivers as well?

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 4:04 PM

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smoky geode I'd love to debug it, perhaps i should be able to reproduce it once i install th...

Grab Traktor Kontrol Pro 4.

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That's exactly what I installed.

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Looks like I'll need to DJ on my other PC then.

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And keep this PC purely for V-Tubing.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:05 PM

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crisp musk Grab Traktor Kontrol Pro 4.

i'll try with just the S8 driver for now and see if anything happens

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:05 PM

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Didn't realize you were a vtuber. Still, this crash shouldn't happen. It's a software issue.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:07 PM

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crisp musk

so you uninstalled all of that stuff?

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or just the traktor pro 4?

brave crypt Apr 1, 2026, 4:07 PM

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flint horizon So... originally I suspected that Traktor's software may have installed drivers,...

@smoky geode @flint horizon @hollow hearth Yall did a great job on fixing this, I'm going to add it in the Docs but I need a bit more of understanding

Does the user only need to uninstall any traktor related software and reboot? Why does this happen if VB Audio Cable Drivers don't give issues?

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 4:08 PM

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smoky geode so you uninstalled all of that stuff?

I uninstalled all those drivers.

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And then reset my PC.

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:09 PM

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brave crypt <@214134626065580033> <@258618826927767553> <@775545133448953856> Yall did a gre...

It seems like the cause is within the Traktor Pro 4 software suite, the exact cause hasn't been figured out yet.

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It's one or maybe multiple of the drivers. (or maybe an issue with the voice changer iterating over the list of drivers)

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:09 PM

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brave crypt <@214134626065580033> <@258618826927767553> <@775545133448953856> Yall did a gre...

for now I don't have any detailed idea other than the fact that it seems to crash during audio device enumeration

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but there's one thing confusing me the most

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it just stops abruptly. I would expect the main try/catch clause to print an exception of some kind

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I don't really get why a python app crashes like this

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:12 PM

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Maybe it's the other way around; the drivers are what are catching it and crashing -- idk currently. (I have no clue what those drivers are instructing windows to do)

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 4:14 PM

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But in all seriousness. Thank you guys so much for helping to resolve this issue.

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 4:15 PM

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misc_lets_fucking_go

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:15 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

Tenor

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:17 PM

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I don't think tg-develop will attempt to bug fix this problem unfortunately. They haven't updated their fork in a while.

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**Currently glancing at: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/ddi/ **

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:23 PM

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reeeeee

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installed all of them and it still enumerates fine for me

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wonder if the traktor pro software itself installs some additional stuff - virtual devices perhaps?

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i hate issues that are not easily reproducible xD

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:24 PM

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Closed Source software is hard to predict. Yeah- it could be installing something related to their hardware.

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(and because you don't have it, you don't get the same drivers)

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:25 PM

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I mean, I still think it's not likely fault of the NI software per se

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 4:25 PM

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this is probably the most obscure realtime issue ever

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lol

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:25 PM

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my vote for now is some low-level API calls from python failing obscurely

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:27 PM

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It doesn't help that they have software on there that are exclusive to the Microsoft Surface Laptop series.

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I'm not sure, because of that on how to set up a hyper-v virtual environment to emulate this.

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meh- I think I'll let it go.

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There are two files involved in the audio device enumeration:
AudioDeviceList.py and ServerAudio.py (both located in voice_changer/local)

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:33 PM

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now that I think of it, one of possible ways for the entire process to crash abruptly would be a dynamic lib access failure

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missing library file or symbols

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possibly reflected with exit code (which we did not check)

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but without being able to reproduce it it's gonna be a PITA to work with

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and as installing all of the drivers from screenshot provided above by OP is apparently not enough

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I think this is where my attempts end as well, unless this gets brought up again or I come up with an easy way to simulate it

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the traktor software is not free so i can't install it to see if that causes the issue

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so i'd either blame invalid package setup or python-sounddevice/portaudio itself

hollow hearth Apr 1, 2026, 4:38 PM

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hehe pita

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:38 PM

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It's too expensive to try out indeed

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:38 PM

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there used to be a demo but they've taken it down

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:39 PM

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Hm, maybe we need to become vtubers first lol *jokes*

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(idk where people get the money for these things)

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:43 PM

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NI stuff (both hardware and software) is absurdly priced

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I mean, it's great quality for sure

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But still

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So i have a love/hate relationship with that company xD

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:45 PM

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I am staring at the code:

def list_audio_device():
    try:
        audioDeviceList = sd.query_devices()
    except Exception as e:
        logger.exception(e)
        raise e

It should end the process with an exception displayed in the log, but this doesn't happen.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:45 PM

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But the world of digital music is $$$ in general

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Yeah, that's what I've been saying before, the entire main is within a huge try/except anyway

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:45 PM

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not even an empty line is printed

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:45 PM

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A python app doesn't shut down like this in general

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That's why my vote is a library call

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And I think the most likely thing is what I said about the missing symbols/library file

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:46 PM

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Yeah, probably-- but idk how you'd fix that

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 4:46 PM

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Can't talk about fixing an issue we haven't located, really

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Might as well be as easy as adding one more binary file to the package

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Dunno

flint horizon Apr 1, 2026, 4:54 PM

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I'll try to deal with ... basically failing to identify the problem, but fixing it by removing the problem causer for now. (I was hoping we could make it work without them needing a second machine for their DJ stuff)

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@brave crypt So summerized: Native Instruments: Tracktor Pro 4 https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-software/traktor-pro-4/
is incompatable with w-okada (this likely extends to all forks). It might even extend to vonovox; not sure-

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(the reason, unclear)

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 5:04 PM

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This is likely connected to the implementation. So forks - yeah.
Vonovox - unless proven otherwise, I would expect there should be no issue with it, it's a separate thing built from scratch

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 5:05 PM

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Would it be possible to look into the drivers I posted?

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 5:05 PM

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I did, but simply installing the drivers didn't cause the issue

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 5:05 PM

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Strange.

smoky geode Apr 1, 2026, 5:05 PM

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But traktor pro is something I did not install so perhaps it's related

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This issue needs a reproducible crash scenario on our side to be able to effectively deal with it TBH

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But I'm away now, will give it a second thought later perhaps 🤔

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A part of me sees this as a potentially difficult issue, but another part of me really wants to get it solved just for the sake of it

crisp musk Apr 1, 2026, 6:19 PM

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Yeah keeping this thread open for future people.

brave crypt Apr 2, 2026, 9:50 PM

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flint horizon <@911742715019001897> So summerized: Native Instruments: Tracktor Pro 4 <https:/...

thx, but could someone test on other platforms / GPUs? or if it also gives issues on Vonovox?

And In the docs, do I just need to tell users to uninstall the program adn reboot or do they need to go manually to the device manager and uninstall some drivers?

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I remember other people having the same issue but only on the same AMD GPU on WIndows

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@tropic walrus @leaden hinge maybe check this post if it fixes your issue

brave crypt Apr 2, 2026, 10:45 PM

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Oh nvm then, your PC is way too weak, make a new post if you need help still, since it's a separate issue

brave crypt Apr 3, 2026, 12:29 AM

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please make your own post in #1192011222023950368 , unfortunately the issue isn't related to what I initially thought it was

brave crypt Apr 6, 2026, 2:29 PM

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crisp musk I did buy a new DJ controller.

btw was it plugged in while you were using wokada?

crisp musk Apr 6, 2026, 2:29 PM

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brave crypt btw was it plugged in while you were using wokada?

Nope.

brave crypt Apr 6, 2026, 2:31 PM

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crisp musk Nope.

I think you might still be able to use wokada tg develop with traktor pro 4 installed, if you plug the DJ Controller

I did a bit of research and used Gemini 3.1 Pro

and it seems like the issue is that W-Okada is written in Python and uses a library called python-sounddevice, which uses PortAudio C-library to scan and communicate with Windows audio interfaces, but since the DJ Controller was unplugged it wasn't able to query and initialize the Native Instruments ASIO driver

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If you want you could try that and let me know

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might be better than having to uninstall and reinstall the program over and over

brave crypt Apr 6, 2026, 3:40 PM

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@crisp musk could you please try this to let me know if it works? If it works I can add it in the docs to help everyone more easily

crisp musk Apr 6, 2026, 3:43 PM

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I can later on today.

brave crypt Apr 14, 2026, 10:28 PM

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crisp musk I can later on today.

sorry to disturb but any news?

crisp musk Apr 14, 2026, 10:32 PM

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brave crypt sorry to disturb but any news?

It seems only the drivers affect the program. Not Traktor 4 itself.

brave crypt Apr 14, 2026, 10:35 PM

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crisp musk It seems only the drivers affect the program. Not Traktor 4 itself.

so my solution worked? or did you just disable the drivers related to the traktor 4 program?

crisp musk Apr 14, 2026, 10:40 PM

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brave crypt so my solution worked? or did you just disable the drivers related to the trakto...

I completely uninstalled them. Then ran Traktor by itself. Traktor by itself is just a DAW.

#W-Okada (TG Fork) - xhr poll error

IT FUCKING WORKS