Enforced/New rules for Voice-Models

[unkempt wind]

It's so tiring scrolling through and finding multiple Alastor voice models or multiple My Singing Monsters models, almost all of them don't have voices or talk and are just SFX (Which should be put into its own channel or removed entirely. The channel name is VOICE models not SOUND EFFECT models) and other jumbled mess which isn't coherent in the slightest and nobody would have a use for. It'd be nice to see people start cracking down on all these duplicate or meaningless jumbled noise models. (Half of which, the makers never even test before uploading)

[rough idol]

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[tall swallow]

It really depends. Either it's updated versions, or different languages, but i agree. there needs to be some better way to do it

The ones that DO get posted always get drowned by the others

[orchid axle]

i dont want them to go away cuz they're funny but a better form of organization for them would be good

[tall swallow]

^

oh sup Danny

remember me?

@orchid axle

you got me the Model Maker role

[orchid axle]

i do yes

you made a bunch of HL models

[tall swallow]

yep. got model master and learned a lot. thx for giving me a chance!

[orchid axle]

i like seeing people improve

np

[unkempt wind]

Well the thing about it is, if it's a voice model that's either already been done before, or a character that doesn't have a voice at all, it's a waste of space. And I don't mind duplicates that are spaced out or other languages, but not pretty much next to each other

[long oar]

the organization is the best it can be on discord. the optimal thing you want to do when searching for a particulary voice model is using the search bar

we do not limit the amount of voice models here because it is like a big store

some brands are better than others and helps people determine the best pick for them

[unkempt wind]

And the reason for most of these sfx models being unusable for any purpose other than jumbled noise?
Currently that's most of the recent things (primarily the spam of Msm)

I get different language versions but some of thase are just like
Off

[wheat salmon]

i hear ya, i have a long list of artists i feel should be done by now, meanwhile i can see like 50 models for taylor swift, which hey, ill take that over even 10 Patrick Stars.

[unkempt wind]

I'm not as concerned over the voice models of actual voices

As much as I am creatures, most of which don't speak
Natural disasters
Lethal company monsters
(Because of course a voiceless jack in the box needs a voice submission)

The My Singing Monsters spam REALLY buried a lot of shit too

A lot of good models

[long oar]

you can scroll down

theres at least 100 new models a day

if you are looking for somehting specific and it isnt there, request it

[unkempt wind]

As I said
It's mainly the fact it's unusable practical models, which flooded out a lot of good ones
Scrolling is 3x as tedious on mobile than on PC since we don't get 9 results on one screen, only one

Also I for request things ;<;
But it's fine, I'll probably look elsewhere for Armored Core 6 models, I don't mind waiting

[wheat salmon]

ive tried a few of the drums ones and i have no clue what they're meant to work on lol

[unkempt wind]

That's the thing

90% of them don't work

You can't make the beat of a drum or scraping sounds into a voice

Even the monsters that do speak don't speak works, just the same sound over and over

Not words, just noise

[wheat salmon]

yeah that's crap, and we should be aiming for better here imo

[unkempt wind]

You mean to tell me this is a voice model?
#1201709013155192863 message

Legit all the character does in game is drum on its own head

[wheat salmon]

facepalm lol

[unkempt wind]

At least there should be a 2nd channel for needless noise
These aren't even practical or usable in any way
You can just use a soundboard with the noise, it's easier too

[long oar]

i understand your frustration but how does it affect you personally

[unkempt wind]

Doesn't help the one dude making these is making every monster under the sun

[weak fern]

Ayo? @unkempt wind level 4 !!!

[long oar]

this is supposed to be a place where you can post whatever within the rules of the server

and discord TOS

[wheat salmon]

it's a fair question, one i wish i personally had an answer for but no it really does end there for most part, at the frustration, its not like i can talk people into maybe aiming for all the great singers we have in the world before dopey cartoon characters lol

[weak fern]

Ayo? @wheat salmon level 3 !!!

[long oar]

i get that

[unkempt wind]

Are all staff like this? Wait no, I've seen others agree with me on this nvm
Like other dude said, everyone should be striving for better, and it doesn't just affect me, but everyone else getting actual models buried. You know humans have shit attention spam when not looking for a particular model, but just anything interesting.

Hot take ik

[long oar]

I totally get it

[unkempt wind]

[long oar]

i want more hq singing models too but I cant limit people on the models we make

[unkempt wind]

Singing models?

[wheat salmon]

it's just people hey, its.. hard to swallow, but ya gotta, you'll find a ring of people here aiming for good quality models of great singers, actors and voice actors if ya hang around long enough im sure, its what i hope for for myself

[long oar]

weve tried doing this in the past and it hasnt worked out

[unkempt wind]

I wouldn't have an issue if most of the models actually sung or spoke

[wheat salmon]

haha yeah damn, its a strong point

[unkempt wind]

Idk, I feel like all the garbage needs to be filtered to another channel. Even listening to audio samples you tell they didn't test them or even put effort into them

Unlike most other Actual voice models of actual voices

[long oar]

ive been here since the beginning and we used to have a lot more singing models, but now that there are more people, they like to make models off other stuff

[unkempt wind]

Mhm, and there are lots of good models and a few good SFX models

Though the good ones are just buried under half assed garbage

I'm not gonna look through the 15 Msm models to find one that actually can be used as a voice

Because I'd have to download it, set it up with the voice ai application, drag and dropping the files and all that
Then configuring the settings to try it and see if it works with any settings

[long oar]

if youre just scrolling, then yeah it is gonna be filled with a bunch of filler

[unkempt wind]

And ngl
I'm not very good with the settings

[unkempt wind]

And I don't mind filler

A lot of stuff is repetitive or random but usually they actually work

[long oar]

i recommend talking to model masters, they know about the good models

or try weights.gg

[unkempt wind]

A good way to view it is a fish processing plant
There's real fish, and then there's plastic toy fish all in the same collection bin

[unkempt wind]

Might

Idk, once I get my hands on Models of ALLMIND, Ayre, or other AC6 Characters I'm gonna be a happi one thats for sure

And I do get this place is like a shop, but even irl shops have filters
It's okay to have variations of products as long as it's not oversaturation, but you don't fill shelf space with products that don't work

Takes up shelving real estate from actual work

[wheat salmon]

I've just taken a look at both discord and weights, and i gotta say no i really stand with this on some aspect, rather than filtering to only see posts/models with the selected tag, i'd like to see a way to block anything WITH a tag. because as it stands people are putting artist tags on cartoon voices, and while that wont block out the ones that are 100% mislabelling, it will get the ones that are still also putting something in like the Fictional Character tag

but yeah right now, on discord selecting artist puts 2 game voices at the top of the list, and on weights, selecting rvc2, eng, artist, and singer, puts some cartoon crap at the top of the page lol.. i want singers.. rl singers

people love throwing themselves at a cause, oh oh pick me to mod, pick me to run a discord, i say whoever is in charge hires some quality control police, even if only for the correct tagging

[unkempt wind]

Exactly
I may not have been here for as long as the mods here
But I have mod experience on large servers
And the "moderation" of content here.. well, in all honesty idk if anyone moderates the content

If you guys do, it's abysmal unless you're secretly deleting a lot of voice models I just don't know about

Like I'm just not really seeing that much care you guys should put into the community and channel by regulating it, getting people to tag appropriately, and especially filtering out garbage models that aren't voice not sfx

I don't mean to offend anybody but someone has to say it

If you guys just mod the channels like general and such, you're only doing your job with half the server

And if it isn't your job to regulate model channels on a server as huge as this one, there's a serious problem

And like Cypha says
If you guys don't even care to do that, make a role or special mod division of people who do
Make it their jobs
Someone has to do it.

Because like earlier, most of what I'm getting is you guys don't really care, and are finding excuses to not have to moderate the content
And that's a really bad thing.

But hey, it's not my place to say anything, I don't matter here in the slightest
Nothing obligates anyone to listen or take me seriously

[long oar]

we have multiple steps and processes that we have here in the server on what determines a model

to even get the ability to post a model, you have to get verified through the #1159514067187277865 channel, then once a model is uploaded, it is checked for audio on the categories: instrumentals, copyright, and poor quality

What you guys are most interested is quality. The quality is determined by artifcating, glitchiness, and sometimes waveform

We use spectral analysis to check if a model has noise within the freqeuncies of the sample provided. If it passes those checks, then it stays

The quality of the types of models that you guys are interested in comes from users who are model masters or well-liked model makers

We do purge a lot of models that do not meet the criteria

We regulate and check regularly. It's just behind the scenes which you guys cant see

The thing I must agree with you on is the filtering. I am going to see what we can do about the filters that exclude models of the sort but good feedback nonetheless

[unkempt wind]

Already better than most servers I'm in

[wheat salmon]

cheers dude, i agree on all points really, and yeah i didn't want to make it seem like i'm saying no one's doing shit, its full on in here, i'm sure everyone has their tasks already. i think a cleanup is needed but it's kinda a good problem to have when you want options in models.

[long oar]

I appreciate it.

I also must mention we do have a rating system for models that was recently implemented so if you'd like you can rate the models that you do enjoy

[tall swallow]

I honestly think there should just be a separate forum for model masters or smth

[long oar]

We tried implementing that a while ago, but with backups for our bots and a number of logistical issues, we had to scrap it

[tall swallow]

there has to be a way to try doing it again. Backups aren't really necessary if the models are hosted on huggingface

at least for the model master forum

[wheat salmon]

cool cool, would maybe be best to push some of these creators/trainers to give more examples of where and how to use say.. Drums or SFX models, i mean i don't know if anyone else has an interest in it, i see no one asking, but yeah, could be helpful

and maybe in the future more of a push for some form of details in what was the actual source of the training dataset, what was used to train, would help avoiding overlap, people doing the same thing as someone else, or just working out what works best, what to actually provide in training in the first place.

[long oar]

that forum is limited for model master discussion and not for posting

[unkempt wind]

I think it'd be better just to separate SFX and shitty filler models from models of actual voices

[tall swallow]

^^

[unkempt wind]

Voice Model
And
Other Model

[tall swallow]

I just think voice models need to not be buried under bad ones

[unkempt wind]

That way they can post their shit
And voice models won't get buried under the my singing mon-

Yeah that

I use the My singing monsters model claim a lot but so many were added recently

[long oar]

I know

I go through most of them

[tall swallow]

I honestly think there should just be a separate place for model masters to post high quality models that aren't drowned out

[unkempt wind]

I think it'd be better to just seperate them

[weak fern]

Ayo? @unkempt wind level 6 !!!

[tall swallow]

agreed

[unkempt wind]

If we seperated master models and ones made by new or inxperienced people, people would just look in the channel of masters for what they want

[tall swallow]

wait you mean voice models and other models?

[unkempt wind]

Since they're a higher quality

[unkempt wind]

Voice and SFX/Other yeah

[tall swallow]

Maybe but people want high quality models, and it's not like every model they need from model masters will be available

[unkempt wind]

But what about models made by both parties?

Or masters that try and cover many things?

Even free request masters

[tall swallow]

I mean I don't see that much of an issue with the whole idea. People will still be able to share their models made and it's not like Model Masters will cover every character. heck they'd probably post a lot less than the others

the new forum would just be an easy way to find top level models

[unkempt wind]

Still, inexperienced users would get a lot less traffic
(God I wanna be able to post screenshots in here)

The main issue is BOTH masters and rookies being buried under garbage

[tall swallow]

how would they get less traffic? as I said model masters would only post specific characters

people would have to look for every other in the main forum

[unkempt wind]

Because, for example, say you were looking for something, you're a lot more likely to find two models made by the same person, not knowing which is good or not, you'd have an equal chance in choosing either

If it was all the same

Nobody's gonna go "Oh, I need a voice model! I'm gonna look for the less quality ones!"

[tall swallow]

oookay but the shops already do that

the model master shops already display some models they made

[unkempt wind]

Either way you slice it, it's not a good idea to essentially display the premium quality models

[tall swallow]

Eh, agree to disagree

[unkempt wind]

I'll happily disagree

Don't worry

Especially since this is entirely off topic

Wait, you're a model master
BAHAHAHAHA NO WONDER YOU WANT IT LMAO

Talk about pushing self promotion

Anyways back on topic, the one person who made all the MSM models made some of them within like 10 mins of each other lmao

[hardy egret]

i get the voice models channel is a huge collection of literally anything and you can just search for whatever you want so spam is not a issue and i dont like the idea of deleting either

but there is just too many "useless" models

so idk about this one

i guess people do like the models so let them have them

[unkempt wind]

This is primrily talking about the useless spammed models

[hardy egret]

but if there is 10 models of the same guy for example, i would archive the worse ones

meaning deleting them from the channel, but still have them on weights anyways

[unkempt wind]

Imagine 10 models from the same dude, around 25 in the span of two days
And most if not all of them were useless, and not even tested

[unkempt wind]

This rule is extremely needed, I called out to admin and got not only the guy who spammed the like 10 MSM models, but someone who made one after that!

We're filtering them properly now

[hybrid fog]

tbh we should verify voice models before posting, but its more work done by the QCs, so im not sure

@unkempt wind what u think

[unkempt wind]

EXACTLY
There's also so many audio samples like for example, one of what was a scene of Peter Griffin falling down the stairs, so basically just shouts and yelps, then censored beeping, and you couldn't even tell what it sounded like

You'd think the verification would be better

[hybrid fog]

yeah but I dont want to add workload to my fellow staff members

or helpers can also do that

[unkempt wind]

Get a subdivision of staff that exclusively deal with filtering and verification, that'd be easier on everyone

with people able to be both mod and verifier

if they wanna

[hybrid fog]

@long oar what do you think

[long oar]

we have this already

[unkempt wind]

I think it'd be smart that way

1. Not all of staff will have to deal with verifying so many models (Unless they want to) and it takes workload off of them so they can moderate other channels
2. You could train a team of people specifically for verification

[hybrid fog]

not QC

[long oar]

if you mean purge voice models than probably not

[hybrid fog]

its for the model makers that posts in #1175430844685484042

[hybrid fog]

yeah sth like that

[long oar]

we do that already

[unkempt wind]

Yeah, a lot of them are like the famous MSM examples, but also

[unkempt wind]

cases like this

[hybrid fog]

yeah this one is gg

[unkempt wind]

There's a lot of instances of models being verified eve though the audio sample is just shitty and you can't tell the voice, either it's silence, or it's grunts and shouts and no actual speech.

#1202015473550757970 message

Check this one out

It's just drumming, no voice

#1202024694262550528 message
Same for this one
Even though he claims there to be a voice there

Actually for a couple of them mainly by RegalHyperius, I asked him in Dms if he could change the peter griffin thing into something with an actual voice

[weak fern]

Ayo? @unkempt wind level 7 !!!

[unkempt wind]

And then it turned into this

How you go from voice to drumming is beyond me

[unkempt wind]

Pfft damn, and just like that they disappear

Damn I'm good at this-

[unkempt wind]

Another one

Same dude :/