when we will get producer role on ai hub?

[molten thunder]

This server has many producers, it would be better if they make a role specifically for them. After all, this server has really contributed to "music" in some ways and its really disappointing to see that there is still no role for producers.

[jade meteor]

Vote for this suggestion!

[slim anvil]

[molten thunder]

Lets goo

[molten thunder]

I hope they will look into this

Upvote this, so that staff look into this

[mental jay]

It will take some time for them to make it

[hybrid nimbus]

YES

[molten thunder]

Ig they're not doing anything with this idea

[mental jay]

Lol

[molten thunder]

.

Guyz plz upvote this

[molten thunder]

@lament goblet ila plz do smth 😭

[upbeat crane]

it won't give any benefits and will be just an another shiny role, so i don't think there's need in that

[molten thunder]

it doesn't matter if it gives any benefits or not bc its a matter of respect, and if its the case of benefits then, what is the benefit of content creator role? and not only that role there are alot more useless roles. considering the fact that there are many users on this server that are producers, they should make a role for them, its not a race, its just a matter of respect to them, there are roles like 'kitten', whats the benefit of it? BTW i don't have any problems with roles like that, its just they should make a role dedicated to producers, also its not only me who wants that role. There are 18 upvotes and ur the only one who doesn't want it......

[upbeat crane]

i am a sound producer too and that's why i don't think it's important to have such role. I've been making music for 5 years already and know a lot of stuff about it. I'm not even that good tbh, but still i see how there are very, like super very low amount of people who actually deserve that role. If we add such role it'll be similar to a content creator role and will have requirements to get it. We won't give it to any person who thinks they are sound producer because they made 5 songs for example, if we add that role

[upbeat crane]

sorry i misclicked the enter and accidentally sent it without finishing xd

[molten thunder]

I completely agree with what u said but i think it will not make a huge change if they just make it, the only problem is that how will they decide who really deserves that role.

[upbeat crane]

someone will have to check submissions for that role from staff team, same as master and content creator. tbh i don't know anyone in staff team who's good at it besides me. pikachu is good, but he's not a staff team.

[molten thunder]

U can do that, like u r the one who understands about music so u can be the one who will decide who really deserve that role. But it will be tough job as there are many users who will gonna ask for it.

I am too a producer who have been producing for more than 6 years, i understand that some people think that they are producers just by making drums over a pre made sample.

[upbeat crane]

i dunno if anyone will get through me tbh xd i'm very harsh when it comes to that, because i met like 100 ultra goated sound producers and my standarts for that are very high

[molten thunder]

I agree with ur point, but we have to decide between this server's users skill level. We might not get highly talented producers here. So those who are here and are even decent producers should get it.

[upbeat crane]

we'll see, admins or seniors should decide first

[molten thunder]

Ya lets see if they look for this suggestion or not

[lament goblet]

yellow light, ask other admins

[timber kelp]

watch them ping every admin

i mean there is only 3

[hardy coyote]

yet

[timber kelp]

[molten thunder]

😭

[molten thunder]

@viscid prawn

[viscid prawn]

producers and influencers got harrased on the Brazil server due ammount of people, not a good idea to make them stand light that

[molten thunder]

But this server has alot of producers, and ig it will be great if there will be a role for them

[echo solstice]

Same with audio engineer

The audio engineer role doesn't even make that much sense because what you guys define as an audio engineers is not what others define as an audio engineer.

Literally everyone knows what a producer is

@lament goblet Make this a feature, thanks

If "audio engineer" can be one, producer can also be one

[lament goblet]

theres no use

[echo solstice]

Same for audio engineer

[lament goblet]

you can come back with a list of use cenarios

[echo solstice]

We have model master

And qc

so?

[lament goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/ilaria-ilaria-ai-hub-ai-hub-discord-server-dont-make-me-tap-the-sign-gif-14253178230085362092

[echo solstice]

You're not even listening to me

And just telling yourself you did a good job at ignoring me, not listening to others and making you feel good.

[lament goblet]

i said, come back with a list of reason on why and im down

[echo solstice]

Nice

[echo solstice]

Give me a list of reasons why audio engineer exists

Why lusbert verified exists

And all other fun and cosmetic roles

[lament goblet]

cant they be merged?

[echo solstice]

No

A producer produces music. An audio engineer works in the field of engineering with audio itself, adding effects to them or changing the audio. Generally changing the sound

A producer does more, making use of rythm, musical scales, etc etc

[echo solstice]

There's a clear distinction

[lament goblet]

no, im saying cant we make an "Audio Expert" (for ex.) instead of having random roles?

[echo solstice]

You wouldn't think of producers having an audio expert role, since even they do use the same tools as audio engineers, they do a lot more than that and actually generally produce music, songs, anything musical really. It's confusing to have an audio engineer role and put producers into that label

[upbeat crane]

tbh i dunno what the audio engineer is, i think someone from staff team just created it for fun maybe. but if we thinking of creating an official role for sound producers it should be the same as content creator or model master.

[echo solstice]

Audio engineers on the other hand do also use other tools for audio that music producers do NOT use, so the overlap is very minimal

Two things, same kind of field, same material, completely different intentions and methods.

[lament goblet]

okay bet, removing audio engineers since its useless and it wont create this type of stuff

[echo solstice]

No audio engineer, guess no producer role then

[lament goblet]

i dont wanna clutter the roles again

[echo solstice]

We have so many unnecessary roles though

[lament goblet]

make a list of them for the reasoning, send it in staff chat and ill review it under 20m

[echo solstice]

I cannot look at them because I'm a helper, but I know there are

[echo solstice]

I do not have access to look at roles

[lament goblet]

smh

okay ill look it into it later

[echo solstice]

I feel like audio engineer is the wrong term. You could use "Dataset expert" "Dataset engineer"

And then add "Music Producer"

Seems a lot cleaner and nicer.

[lament goblet]

mh

[echo solstice]

no reason needed

[lament goblet]

well, funny thing is, i didnt made that roles so i dont really mind a spring cleaning

[echo solstice]

if you really wanna have a clean role list*

[echo solstice]

Well, these roles don't give any benefit of anything really

You could rename them and rebrand them, or remove them

[molten thunder]

Well i guess instead of deleting other useless roles, why can't they just create a new producer role? I mean its okay to have all these other roles, i don't have any problem with them, just create a new Music Producer role as there are many users who are down with this idea

[upbeat crane]

we need a green flag from admins

[molten thunder]

Ok, but i think they are not interested in creating that role. Chances are very little.

[mental jay]

Tbh this is currently the most asked role

[molten thunder]

Fr, lets see what happens now

[mental jay]

I've been asking for this role since old server, but its not included yet

[molten thunder]

Me too

[mental jay]

anyways its all up to admins and mods, if they want they can make it happen

[molten thunder]

Yeah

[viscid prawn]

trust me if you want attention or exposure with that role you'll most likely get the opposite

in the end is just another cosmetic role to clutter

[molten thunder]

We definitely dont need it for any kind of attention, its like the only role that ai hub does not already have and i personally think that it will not make a huge difference if they will make it, so why not. Its definitely worth for producers who are there in this server, and i bet any producer on this server will be happy if they got to know that there is a role for them too, its not about attention or benefits. Its just a role. After all what matter is just majority, and according to upvotes they clearly want it.

[slim anvil]

no way there is this many messages here about this lol

would be nice to have, but at the end of the day its just a role no one will ever notice or care about, same with all the other roles

some roles do have a use tho, thats why if you add this role, better add a channel too

and maybe remove roles like audio engineer/rename this to audio engineer or whatever and put it all into one, otherwise its just a useless role

[molten thunder]

I agree with u, but producers can help others with audio related problems, and yes there will not gonna be use of that role but definitely we can get something out of it.

[lethal bramble]

As the admins have already bloated the server with "useless" roles, they should either accept, or delete them entirely

[molten thunder]

Fr

[molten thunder]

But they're not doing anything

[mental jay]

this has not been rejected yet, maybe it is in consideration

[molten thunder]

Lets see what are their plans

Maybe we might not get it

[echo solstice]

this

[hardy coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-how-it-works-disagree-contradict-counter-concern-gif-12425344

the first step if y’all want this role would be to decide on the requirements / questions we can use for the application
in other words, on what criteria will we decide whether or not people get the role

[molten thunder]

We can just randomly give an sample to them and ask users to remix it and if someone did great job then they will get it.

[upbeat crane]

I like this idea

[mental jay]

Perfect

[molten thunder]

@hardy coyote

[hardy coyote]

hmm… what do you define as a producer? just someone who does remix? or also people who do original songs / advanced audio mixing?

[timber kelp]

so like the community votes?

[molten thunder]

Basically Producer is someone who produce music from scratch, but since we were talking about eligibility of that role, not about someone who can make full song just to get a role.

[molten thunder]

Not really, but even a decent producer can judge it

[mental jay]

According to me the sample one is the best way to check if someone should get that role

[molten thunder]

Yeah that is really the fastest way to jugde (not the best one)

[mental jay]

💯

[slim anvil]

what would even be considered a good job? for example, you give me a loop and i make a boom bap beat but you expect 90% of the people to make it EDM 💀 what happens then

its subjective, but idk how you would test knowledge either

i guess a producer contest would be nice

even as a general contest that would be hype

provide like 4 samples, best beats win 🔥

[molten thunder]

I m down with this idea

But for producer role they should make one expert who can rate them or smth

[slim anvil]

nah

i would make a public channel and let people vote

only one guy voting is stupid

[molten thunder]

This one cool too, most votes win

[slim anvil]

also what would make you a expert, like i said, subjective

its not like you are rating the skill, but the beat itself right

[molten thunder]

I m actually with this idea but i don't know if staff members will agree or not

[echo solstice]

Look, a musician is a musician. If they can keep on a scale and make some pretty listenable music with good mixing and stuff, they're good enough

[molten thunder]

Yes i mean it doesn't matter what genre they made if it is good then it is good

[slim anvil]

but holding a contest like this each time someone wants the role isnt great either

maybe the best way is really staff deciding for themselves you gets it and gives it out manually

[echo solstice]

They just show their project file and their song, and then boom

Simple

[molten thunder]

But what if someone don't know about music and just downloaded some clip and shows it to them

[echo solstice]

Also isolated stems if needed

[echo solstice]

their project file******

[molten thunder]

Like screen recording or smth

Or flp type?

[slim anvil]

more doesnt mean better

showing the flp doesnt make sense

[molten thunder]

True

[echo solstice]

Its so we can align the things that happen in the song to the flp and confirm it is infact their song

[molten thunder]

We have to find a solution of how to recognize if someone is producer or not

[slim anvil]

i feel like that should be pretty obvious lol

just produce some shit and submit it 🗿

[molten thunder]

Lol

[echo solstice]

Plagarism can be a problem

We could ask them to produce a tiny drop-concept thing with a few veerryyy specific chords

[molten thunder]

Yes thats why it should totally non copyrighted

[molten thunder]

Maybe we can ask them questions, nvm they will Google it

[echo solstice]

exactly

• chatgpt

[slim anvil]

it aint that serious

[molten thunder]

I think we should make a global sample for that role and anytime someone wants that role, he have to submit his remix? What about this idea?

[granite shuttle]

Ayo? @molten thunder level 23 !!!

[slim anvil]

if one guy gets it by just using a free flp so be it

[molten thunder]

Yeah i mean its not that important

They should first make that role. Lol

[echo solstice]

I think just, produce drop idea with these specific chords and melody could prove that theyre a musician

right?

[molten thunder]

Ig this is best, and fastest way

Because making a full 3 mins song wont help

[echo solstice]

Just make a drop concept and boom]

[molten thunder]

True 👍

[echo solstice]

At that point they'd either have to find a producer who would do it for them (which i doubt they would do without pay), and then, who would pay

[molten thunder]

True they have to do it themselves

[echo solstice]

I've got a lot of midis I made a while back, some are good

one sec

[molten thunder]

I mean someone has not to be very great Producer to be eligible, bc we cannot find hans zimmer here. They can be decent

[echo solstice]

thats true yeah, but just good producers are eligable

If they can whip some demo up and make something nice from chords and melodies, thats good

[molten thunder]

Thats beautiful

I mean they can just show their work

[echo solstice]

Doesnt prove anything if its plagarised

Making a demo-drop doesnt take super long. and you'd do it because it's fun to do something like that as well

[molten thunder]

True just a small piece

wont take long

Make a drop and there u go

[echo solstice]

Yeah

Something like this. Although I just wanted to show you the difference between unfinished and finished

[molten thunder]

Yeah and if someone produce something like that then he definitely deserves it.

But there is a need for someone who can judge properly

[echo solstice]

both of them are good, one is just better and properly made as a serious song, the other one is a concept

[echo solstice]

o-o me

I'm certain I can judge

[molten thunder]

Yeah i don't mind u being that person

We need someone who can judge music regardless of what genre it is

[echo solstice]

I have a musician friend who is reealllyy good at judging and producing music in all genres. Although he's really busy with college and stuff

[molten thunder]

Because someone might produce edm, rap, boom bap and all

[molten thunder]

Maybe we can make a team of two or three

?

Who will judge it!

[echo solstice]

Yeah

Wait though, let me show you

[molten thunder]

[molten thunder]

Guyz its been a week do smth

[timber kelp]

they have other things to do

[molten thunder]

Okay do other things, but at least give us some updates are they even thinking of considering it or not

[molten thunder]

@compact dragon

[upbeat crane]

Brother, pls don't ping the owner or admins, thank you. Some changes take a lot of time to approve or disapprove.

[molten thunder]

Okay i m really sorry for that

[polar laurel]

Why

[molten thunder]

What?

[echo solstice]

ok nerds

this is now wip

@molten thunder

[hardy coyote]

<@&1190973556004233257>

we're currently sorting out how we're going do to for the role application
if you have any idea or suggestion let us know

[timber kelp]

[molten thunder]

Yes we did it @echo solstice we did it

[timber kelp]

now i gotta make a beat to get the role

[molten thunder]

Lol

[molten thunder]

WORK IN PROGRESSSSSS...... 🥹

[slim anvil]

Nice role color

[mental jay]

Ohh its work in progress

[molten thunder]

Yes

They're making it

Antasma has shared a look of it

[mental jay]

It's nice looking for now

[molten thunder]

Yeah

[mental jay]

By when we will be able to get it?

[molten thunder]

Tbh no idea about that, maybe 2 or 3 days?

[mental jay]

Okay

[fleet path]

can i call myself a producer too?

[molten thunder]

If u can produce smth cool with them then u can get it too

[molten thunder]

@hardy coyote is Musician role ready?

[hardy coyote]

not yet

[molten thunder]

Okay, but how long will it take approximately?

[hardy coyote]

up to 30 business days

jk

ig it'll be ready before the end of the week

[molten thunder]

👍

[indigo yew]

Bro tryna be discord support

[molten thunder]

[mental jay]

But some users already have it?

[fleet path]

that's Musician ig

i think by musician they mean a vocalist

singer

ig

[mental jay]

are they making music producer role separately?

[granite shuttle]

Ayo? @mental jay level 7 !!!

[molten thunder]

Thats the role #1188157945071009792 message look he has shared a look of it

[mental jay]

Yeah thats how it will gonna look

[molten thunder]

Ya

[lethal oyster]

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[molten thunder]

Ya thats how it will gonna look

[mental jay]

Is it the most messaged suggestion?

[molten thunder]

🔥

[upbeat crane]

no, musician as a generalized sound producer thingy, like the person who works both with music and sounds

[molten thunder]

We'll get it like this

[hardy coyote]

Update

You can now start DMing our 2 verified musicians, @echo solstice and @lethal oyster, to get the role. They'll review and evaluate your works and knowledge.
Do note that the definitive application system for the role is still being worked on. We may ask you to reapply once it's done.

[timber kelp]

[echo solstice]

ello

[lethal oyster]

hey thats me

[echo solstice]

yeah thats me

[lethal oyster]

no thats me

i'm pikachu

[timber kelp]

🤔

[echo solstice]

what

[timber kelp]

Yes

[slim anvil]

😭

[upbeat crane]

Thank God you didn't put me, or else no one would get it, lmao xd

[hardy coyote]

I mean you could do it too

although I might have something else for you :3

[upbeat crane]

:0

Can't wait

[timber kelp]

[molten thunder]

Is there smth for me too 😛

[mental jay]

Ohh u got Musician role, its looking cool

I need to get it asap

[mental jay]

Yo i got it too

[molten thunder]

At last, after so much hard work, this role finally came. Now I am very happy, thanks to everyone who were involved in this with us.

[slim anvil]

Another role I won't get 🔥

Ggs tho

That color is nice

[molten thunder]

Why?

[molten thunder]

Ur producer too ig?

Pls give me the perms to give this role, i at least deserve this, i will appreciate doing this job, that job is too enjoyable @hardy coyote

[mental jay]

You at least deserves this, you are the one who started it all

[upbeat crane]

we give such responsibilities only to staff members

[molten thunder]

How can i become staff member? 🤔

[upbeat crane]

./jointeam

[molten thunder]

It has model master, qc, engineer, helper and content creator? 🤔

[molten thunder]

Which one is staff members? ⬆️

[upbeat crane]

helper or engineer

[molten thunder]

Ohh okay thanks

[slim anvil]

yeah

i was in a choir/orchestra for years too 💀

[molten thunder]

[molten thunder]

Get the role asap

[molten thunder]

[molten thunder]

Why Musician role is not showing in members role list?

Also make Musician role look over other roles like model maker, bc this role is as important as content creator (also this role looks cool af, thanks to the one who designed it). I think the roles that should be bigger than Musician role are Admin, All type of mods and helpers and some other important roles too.

[molten thunder]

[barren frigate]

no

[molten thunder]

😭

[granite shuttle]

Ayo? @molten thunder level 28 !!!

[mental jay]

Is it not already shows over them?

[molten thunder]

No even model maker role is showing over it

[upbeat crane]

model maker is kind of more important as it gives an ability to post in #1175430844685484042

[molten thunder]

But musician role is rare 🥺

@upbeat crane wait ur sound producer too, when u will get it?

[upbeat crane]

i can give it myself whenever i want, i just don't want to have too many roles

[molten thunder]

[molten thunder]

But why this role is not showing in members role list?

[upbeat crane]

no idea

[molten thunder]

😕

[hardy coyote]

because da button

[molten thunder]

🤔

[molten thunder]

What does it mean?

[hardy coyote]

that means the Musician role is not showing in members role list

[molten thunder]

So u can enable it?

[hardy coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cat-kitty-bath-kitty-bath-gif-14028255170565215337

[molten thunder]

[molten thunder]

But content creator is showing above it 🤔

[granite shuttle]

Ayo? @molten thunder level 29 !!!

[molten thunder]

Give diablo Musician role he deserves it

[echo solstice]

afaik he doesnt understand what a pedal note is

[molten thunder]

the sustained tone?

[echo solstice]

Yeah

[molten thunder]

Too much drama