Restore the rank of Model Master to previous rank holders

[royal zinc]

I don't think it's fair for a summary to come that strips him of his rank months after he got it...

[hallow trellis]

Vote for this suggestion!

[shell prism]

We went through each model master on the server and listened to their models, if someone have been demoted that means that they simply didn't hit the requirements to be a model master. Model master role gives official access to take paid commissions on this server and we want our customers to get the highest quality models that they can and pay for. The fact that someone was demoted doesn't mean that they can't reapply, but they'll need to prove us, that their models are high quality, and that they have vast knowledge about the making of dataset and the rvc technology (how pretrains work, what sample rate settings are for, what is the batch size and how it affects the qulaity of the model, etc), hopefully you understand that.

you can send it to me in dms

[tame musk]

just do /jointeam

[dire hearth]

Yesser, to begin with, your models weren't that good.

[terse hare]

did you also listen to models after the voice model channel was deleted? im sure my models are of high quality and many others can confirm that, i've completed many commissions too, but now that my models are not in voice models, its like u guys choose who deserve is based on if you remember them or if the one who checked the models had any use for them personally. honestly, its frustrating... i've spent a huge amount of time and hours for every model and now the only thing i understand is that nobody really listened to my models

[shell prism]

we used weights gg and downloaded some models to test with our audios, i'll recheck your models, gimme sec

[terse hare]

thanks

[shell prism]

yeah, i rechecked your models, and most of them have weird high frequency glitch sound and some of the models have background noise, which doesn't quite hit the model master requirements. try using uvr denoiser and rx10 tools to clean the dataset. you can always resubmit for the model master role once you feel that you hit the requirements which are basically 10 very high quality models that don't have any sort of background noise or glitchy sounds, that have wide range, and of course we'll check your knowledge about different software that can be used to clean datasets and the knowledge about rvc technology.

[terse hare]

well, what can i say... looks like models you regarded as high quality are not like that now somehow... the datasets are cleaned manually to the best possible output so i have no idea what else do you want... and yes, i use uvr for denoise and the other models for separation and although im not a sound engineer, i at least know what im doing... i dont mind sending you datasets of mine and songs made for youtube, but if thats not enough, i dont know what to say anymore

[shell prism]

you can send datasets, i'll check them

[royal zinc]

Thanks, that makes sense. The same thing can be said

I expect they want someone on the server to be a sound engineer or something

You have killed an era of competition. It is over

[tame musk]

no, its the other way around

you have to be really good now

so its more competition :)

[royal zinc]

I mean the prices and commissions

Due to the lack of sufficient people who were previously doing the work, now there is only one person who is free in prices without fees.

[dire hearth]

Anyways.

You'll improve your skill on model making?

You must do that if you wanna get your MM role back.

[jolly cypress]

honestly i dont know why you have a model master when you havent uploaded any model to the new ai hub since the beginning

[dire hearth]

It does matter if i didn't post any new model here?

If i still have model master role, it's because i did meet the new requirements to keep Model Master.

[jolly cypress]

If you have this 'model master,' you should at least upload one model per month in HQ quality

but yeah

[jolly cypress]

lol

[dire hearth]

The meme said: ignores him epically

[jolly cypress]

ye i know i can read

ignora sound similar to ignore or ignorować

[somber narwhal]

Uvr denoise has a 17,5 khz cutoff

Maybe thats why?

[dire hearth]

In those cases, it's better to select 32k of samplerate when training.

Selecting 40k or 48k can lead to unnecessary noise when listening to created outputs with the model.

[terse hare]

most of my models were denoised manually... and im sure the people who used my models would agree that they are good
they say they checked every model master and listened to their models, but im pretty sure thats not the case

i would have uploaded my models again if not for the voice model channel to get deleted every other day (doesnt matter the reason) so now that my models are not there its like there is no need to check them

im still waiting for him to check the datasets i sent him so i have no idea what more they want the models to be

[jolly cypress]

we dont know what models they tested if they tested the older ones we know that they are of lower quality than the newer ones (if they tested older models, its stupid)

[manic mountain]

The whole thing is just dumb

Plus, source audio plays a large role in the model quality

My Adam Jensen model sounds really well if paired with JC Denton's voicelines, sounds like shit in others

"childish" voices (e.g. Gura), pairs well with Gigi from Elevenlabs

I did QC before, so I know a thing or two

[royal zinc]

somthing Up to perfect mybe

[royal zinc]

Paid models that we have not uploaded to the server, not asking about them is stupid

[terse hare]

Then what about the dozens of commissions I've completed without a single complaint? I have people asking me for models even today

[royal zinc]

They all paid their money willingly and are satisfied

[terse hare]

Most of my models are JP, and the sample system in weights.gg doesn't even have JP samples... Does that mean they tested my models on other language?

I have so many things to say but for now they won't say anything

[manic mountain]

Most importantly, they NEVER said which model, specifically

I always did 20 sec Adam/Bella Elevenlabs test before publishing to #1175430844685484042 , commissioning models

[royal zinc]

Also, most of my models are Japanese or Arabic, and most of them are from anime or YouTube clips. In fact, they want the dataset to be as if it came out of a studio.

[royal zinc]

Yesterday I started an experiment. I use 5 templates in the urv in clips that are less than 17 seconds long. Can you imagine how much time I spent using 54 minutes? This is crazy. I sent it to someone from the staff. It was simply given to me. It contains background noise.

[terse hare]

Same with mine, asked for a samples and said it has noise

I opened the HF repo with my datasets so they could check whatever they want

[royal zinc]

The rank of model Master is not the lowest rank, so their conditions are stupid

[calm patrol]

Ayo? @royal zinc level 13 !!!

[royal zinc]

He'll say it has a lot of problems or something

[terse hare]

Looks like it... And it's quite frustrating since it took me many hours to cut and clean every dataset

[manic mountain]

Literally an insult to injury

[royal zinc]

It is really unfortunate, the product is broken, waiting for my computer to finish, and in the end, saying that it does not meet the minimum requirements, this is ridiculous.

[royal zinc]

🫡

[dire hearth]

🐢 LOL

[royal zinc]

lol

[kind glen]

dont think they used weights sample system to test lol cuz that shit is ASS

but from what ive seen your models are good

tbf i havent checked extensively and i know you mostly do sd so my opinion doesnt mean that much 💀

[terse hare]

When they said they would check my models again cuz I asked them wth, they went to weights.gg

[kind glen]

they gotta get your models from somewhere

u said yourself the models channel got deleted

[terse hare]

I just came back to training SD recently...
The whole 4-5 last months I spent my time only on rvc

[terse hare]

Well it's all on HF and public (except the private from commissions)
But I doubt they actually downloaded and tested them

[kind glen]

im pretty sure they did, dont think they are that stupid. but i guess i dont know for sure

most of my models are private too, im sure you can get master back if you send samples of some of your good private models

[terse hare]

If they did, they probably tested all of them of some ready samples, and maybe it's not even the same language as the model

[terse hare]

Welp, they have enough to check from, and even the datasets... Haven't got a reply since 2-3 days ago

[kind glen]

damn

not much to do besides wait or bully someones dms to give you an answer

[jolly cypress]

someome said they used it

[kind glen]

if they did actually use the sample feature on weights to test out, they gotta get qc removed themselves 😭

u prob misunderstood

[terse hare]

And if I'm being honest with, I was doing this even before you got into this, and if it's commissions, I'm not sure but I think I completed more than u made until I stopped for a while
But, I wasnt active in chatting with the mods (which is why I got rejected 3 times for being a helper) so maybe that's the reason

[jolly cypress]

nah rly someone said that they used weights

[kind glen]

i mean i cant say much anymore besides wishing yall the best of luck (except yesser 🗿)

just be patient or dm a sr mod with your best samples, what i would do

[terse hare]

Yeah ig

[kind glen]

u mean model making or commissions?

i was pretty late into comms true, i thought its scummy at first but then i saw everyone doing it lol

[terse hare]

Both, I remember you got ur model master about 1-2 months after I did

[kind glen]

i mean i cant verify, i was one of the first 5 to ever get it

maybe you did get it before me lol idk sry

[jolly cypress]

i did it but i didnt know what mode collapse is 😭

[terse hare]

Nah I'm not saying anything against you lol
Its just to show that their checking/listening or anything related to someone who spent more time making good models is not related to who got their role removed

[manic mountain]

They do, at least that's what Litsa did to me

And I don't think they're gonna change their minds with the decision

[manic mountain]

That's not the case here. The people getting stripped of the role talking here are people who are simply doing fine with their business, until you guys suddenly remove their role, disabling their commissioning ability, then tell them that there are "noises, artifacts", after you hear "samples" from weights.gg that doesn't even fully represent the model's capability.

[manic mountain]

There's an RVC Audio Test Suite that I've shelved for a while. Maybe I can try making a Colab for testing after all these BS.

[royal zinc]

I own a YouTube channel that contains most models of musicians. Why were they ignored? They represent the goal for which these models were created in the first place.

[royal zinc]

interesting

In the past, 4 to 6 people were fighting over who deserved to receive a commission from a client, and they presented the best examples in order to be chosen. They offered the cheapest prices in exchange for the effort expended. No one complained. Everyone was satisfied. Now 1 or 4 is a maximum. This is bad. I expect prices to rise. I have The era of competition is over. I said that. I was either ignored or disappointed

[terse hare]

I sent to 2 of them a sufficient amount of samples, and the whole datasets I have to choose from, and it's been 3 days waiting for their reply

[somber narwhal]

I mean you can still fight for the commision as a normal model maker. You can proof that you are great enough to the client by sending them examples of your past models.

[royal zinc]

This is what I used to do before I took my rank. I am fighting to regain all of our ranks that were taken

[dire hearth]

Go to cry to the valley because that's not gonna happen soon buddy.

At least for you.

[somber narwhal]

Just fight the commisions not the role, they are not going to give it back any time soon

[royal zinc]

What's your problem, my friend? Go and... and... and... you idiot

[dire hearth]

??

I'm not your friend bro.

[somber narwhal]

I feel the heat

[royal zinc]

I said it sarcastically

[dire hearth]

I don't know if it's your grammar but you insulted me.

Okay, Mr sarcasm xdd

[royal zinc]

lol Mr. Turtle XD

[shell prism]

Once again, i'll repeat, we checked models both on weights gg and downloading them and checking manually, but i can say, that models' quality didn't differ too much from weights or not weights samples. And i remind you that you all can still use the /jointeam command to get a model master role, but you'll need to provide us with 10 hq models that we'll check and then answer a couple questions about RVC, UVR and other related software that helps you make good models. We increased the requirements of getting a model master because before the demotions there were many unprofessional model master who had bad quality models and barely knew anything about RVC and audio upscaling/cleaning software. We want our customers to get the highest quality models possible, so we had to do that. If you think you are good enough, your models are incredible and that you have a lot of knowledge about RVC and other related software - use /jointeam and prove it, and if you'll manage to do that, you'll get a role. I hope you understand.

[terse hare]

i basically gave you everything you need to check the models, and the datasets (which shouldnt happen usually) and you want me to apply the jointeam? like i said, i have had many commissions without any complaints and satisfied customers (i dont think thats what u care about honestly) so if you really want happy customers, i can refer you to more than 30 just so you can ask if they are satisfied.

its not the idea of applying to jointeam, its the fact that you dont want to recognize others' work and that the role was falsely taken from me

[shell prism]

Customers can be satisfied even by low quality models so it's not really an argument, i checked your models and datasets and they were not good enough for a model master.

[terse hare]

i wouldnt fight this like that if i wasnt absolutely sure i deserve this role

huh, this is just sad, really

i dont even know what to say anymore

im making models not only for you, admin, mods and those who decide that, so let the people who used my models to decide, cuz who are you making models for? its usable, the noise you hear is something only you ever complained about, so for who, really?

[shell prism]

"it's usable" is usually a requirement for a model maker role. I'm not saying, that you can't get model master back. You can. If you provide 10 high quality models, that fit our requirement and if you prove us you know enough about RVC, we'll give you the role. People pay money for models that model masters make, 20-50 dollars, some even 100 dollars and even more. So we want our model masters to provide customers the highest quality models possible. Model masters were meant to be those who know their work, who are actual professionals in ai voice model making. But most of the model masters didn't even know about UVR, or didn't know how batch size affects their model. So we had to recheck every model master, and we did that twice. So if someone lost their role, it means they weren't good enough. But, it doesn't mean they can't reapply once they get better.

[terse hare]

well, i gave you all my datasets and models to check, what would u think would happen if i apply? and yeah, i've had commissions, all prices, from 20, to 50, and even above 100 dollars, and they were asking for quality, and got what they wanted.
I wont say im an expert in AI per se, im currently learning the in and out of AI and i wont say i know what happens behind the scenes, but i do know how to use it, when to stop, what tools to use, and heck, basic mixing is a thing if you had ask me.
and by usable, i mean you can use it for any purpose, so what else should be in it? imagine spending your days for for a few months to make quality models, and then someone in the 'upper ranks' suddenly say it has been for nothing, while every other person was satisfied and even asked for more

[dire hearth]

You and Yesser are getting annoying with this.

[jolly cypress]

ye before paying for the model I wrote "if you are not satisfied with the quality i will give you your money back" and I havent had any such situation yet

[jolly cypress]

so stop reading it

[terse hare]

you would be like this too if the role were taken from you

[dire hearth]

I wasn't even talking to you.

[jolly cypress]

ye ye when i asked

[shell prism]

No need to be so rude, tootle, yesser may created this thread but at least he now tries to improve his skills to get the role back, he even politely asked some questions about software in my dms :3

[terse hare]

i know very good that being an helper is only being active in conversations with other helpers, so dont act like you are better. i dont have anything againsts u, so if you dont want to 'help', go somewhere else

[dire hearth]

That was directed to me?

But i wasn't acting like i'm better than anyone.

[terse hare]

thats what anyone would understand from ur attitude

[dire hearth]

At least you.

God, i'm not english native, i'm not that good in english grammar.

So, i'm sorry if i'm being rude unintentionally.

[terse hare]

you dont even try to help, u only come here to say something bad on Yesser, and now on me... so if you have no intention to solve any of the problems here, you dont need to say that

[shell prism]

Nobody here tries to be rude or something, Leo's english isn't good enough, so sometimes he may look offensive, but he doesn't mean that

[jolly cypress]

fast question if u can do u want to make competition for model master ? (ski model this shit has a lot of noise etc)

[dire hearth]

Wait a second.

That model sounds authenthic.

But it needs a denoiser.

[kind glen]

that model is really good wtf

[shell prism]

Competition for a model master?

[kind glen]

yes denoise

[dire hearth]

@jolly cypress You used studio sessions?

[jolly cypress]

ye who will better ski model if i ill get role

[jolly cypress]

ye

ill send u data

[dire hearth]

That explains it.

Do you have UVR?

[jolly cypress]

ye

[dire hearth]

Download the Denoiser model under VR Arch download tab

[jolly cypress]

and im audio engineer so i know how to denoise things

[jolly cypress]

for me vst is workin gbetter

[dire hearth]

You can use things like VR Arch Denoiser, RX 10 and Audacity.

[dire hearth]

Which plugin is that?

Name?

[jolly cypress]

ns1 and some rx10

[shell prism]

I don't quite understand the idea. Can you explain it a bit more?

[dire hearth]

Now that i'm thinking it, it would be awesome if someone did made an guide on how to use FL Studio to upscale and improve audio.

Anyone can take my suggestion.

[jolly cypress]

me vs you who will make better model idk how to explain it more

[jolly cypress]

idk if this will be worth for someone

[shell prism]

Ahh, you want to compete with me

[kind glen]

its included in the waves suite and thats worth it

i have it but never considered using it for models lol

[jolly cypress]

it work good mixed with rx and some edison

[dire hearth]

In my opinion, it's worth it.

You can't upload it to Drive or something?

[kind glen]

ngl 30 is a nice deal

but just

yknow

[jolly cypress]

what

[dire hearth]

I've said, can you upload it to Drive, Mega or somewhere?

[jolly cypress]

plugin?

[shell prism]

Well, i mean i can, altho i don't understand why (i won't be able to give you model master role even if you beat me in that competition, because it's not how it works, and that would mean that our system is still shit). You can just /jointeam and send 10 examples of your models that you think are the best of your own, then our lead qc will review them, ask you a couple questions, and if they'll think your worthy of that role you'll receive it

[dire hearth]

Of course, that Noise Supressor plugin.

[jolly cypress]

naaah it will not work well

it will be on demo version

[kind glen]

ill send it to you in dms

[dire hearth]

So, it must be paid?

[jolly cypress]

ye

https://www.waves.com/support/evaluate-and-demo-waves-products

[kind glen]

do you have mac or windows?

[dire hearth]

Windows 10

[royal zinc]

hhh im only 15 dollar / 10 / 5 so you know

[royal zinc]

how you upload this

[royal zinc]

just shut up what wrong with you

[dire hearth]

👍

[royal zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1163905903108554752.gif?size=160&name=haha&quality=lossless

[somber narwhal]

Bro yesterday i used a recent models master model and it sucks ass

Is there a way to report

[shell prism]

whose?

[somber narwhal]

https://discord.com/channels/1159260121998827560/1182295456370401280

[shell prism]

that person has lost his role too, but he dmed us and provided us with hq private models that he made for paid requests, so we decided to give him his role back

[slim phoenix]

We made an announcement saying if you think we made a mistake please DM @wide musk a few good model masters got caught in the crossfire, if you believe that it was a mistake please contact litsa